1 i have nothing left to say at this point.

2

1i have nothing left to say at this point.

Well that was a short thread then.

3

Guess they've gone from Forever Bothering Italians to Forever Blind to Islam.

Maybe if the Islamicists moved to a cabin in the woods and held a baby.  I think the FBI is cool with shooting 'em then.

4

Casey is a blithering idiot of the worst kind.

On the bright side, story is that Hasan counseled some 48 muslims in the absence of the regular islamic chaplain at Ft. Hood, Maj. Khalid Shabazz.  WND reports that a convert Hasan mentored told how the jihadi Major said that muslims shouldn't be in the US military and added that "In the Quran, you're not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christian or others, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.".  Meanwhile, the muslim chaplain he was filling in for had been at Gitmo before that and, as per WND:

Shabazz scolded MPs for making noise while al-Qaida detainees were praying.

"I would have to go down and chastise those guys," he recalled in a 2008 interview with NPR, "telling them 'Hey man, those guys are praying. Have the decency not to play the national anthem and agitate them while they're praying.'"  

We could go into McChrystal's ideas about ROEs and his ideas of how wars are won, but that is just too depressing.  Yep ... great stuff, there.  We should win this War on Terror in no time ...

5 Hey at least we know Gen. Casey doesn't care about his faith. Sure, the fact he may have been radicalized before he killed soldiers back at home thanks to his religion isn't relevant because we gotta worry about diversity.

The next person that tells me diversity is more important than lives is gonna get punched right in the mouth.

6 Well, his acts were driven by, informed by, justified by and encouraged by his Muslim Faith (particularly his choice of sects, of which there are a plethora in Islam as each Imam sets his own rules - generally trying to out-literalize others).

Other than that, no connection at all.

When you think about it, as an attempt to preserve an idea, Islam is brilliant. Declare innovation a crime, then decentralize authority so no one can gather enough (internal) power to make any significant changes.

It's like a computer virus with self-correcting code.

7

"be on the lookout for anti-Muslim reaction"

Until a reactor is actually convicted of a hate crime, wouldn't the reaction be "alleged" too?  For example if an infidel retaliates against a Muslim because the Muslim acted like an arrogant jerk; the jerk's Muslimness doesn't matter, just his jerkiness.  After all, we wouldn't want anybody rushing to conclusions before getting all the facts.  Presumptions of innocence for everybody!  (allegedly)

8 as i posted to the Army Facebook thread that carried the amazingly stupid statement from Gen. Casey, he should have let his driver give the talk, because i'm sure the driver would have had a clearer grasp of reality than this idiot.

fuck him and every pathetic ass kissing shit eating lifer that would give up anything and everything for one more medal or promotion. i hated you when i was in, and i hate you more now. 

9 @6. "Well, his acts were driven by, informed by, justified by and encouraged by his Muslim Faith (particularly his choice of sects ..."

Exactly.

10 I am thinking the government will be investing in hundreds millions billions trillions of gallons of whitewash.

11 #10 I am thinking the government will be investing in hundreds millions billions trillions of gallons of whitewash.

how racist of them.

/and you, for predicting it.

12

If the muslims had any respect/fear of the US before, once these stories get out, our nation is going to be the laughing stock of the islamic world.  That wouldn't be so bad, except that the islamic world jumps on weakness like nobody's business.

I'm trying really hard to think of one govenrmental institution in this country that actually works and defends any American traditions, at all.  I'm pulling up a big blank.

13 #12: I'm trying really hard to think of one govenrmental institution in this country that actually works and defends any American traditions, at all.  I'm pulling up a big blank.

how about the 2nd Amendment? there's a reason all that ammo and the guns are flying off the shelves, and its not the booming economy and our rosy future.

14 how about the 2nd Amendment? there's a reason all that ammo and the guns are flying off the shelves, and its not the booming economy and our rosy future.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 09, 2009 03:38 AM (d1FhN)

Yeah, we've still got that.  Somehow I think that hate-crime laws (like saying bad things about innocent muslims who scream "Allahu Akbar" and gun down everyone in sight) and perhaps some tenuous connection to "health care" is going to be encroaching on that more and more.  Just a feeling.

15 /and you, for predicting it.

I forgot to denounce myself in my original post.

I think Gen. Casey plainly told what was going on, he wasn't trying to cover up for the military, he was just letting everyone know what the orders were from the civilian authority higher up.

It is the political correctness gone insane as prescribed by the idiots in Washington DC.

16 Let's not bother to be on the lookout for more muslim extremists in the military, because then we would have to look out for Christian extremists, Atheist extremists, and Jewish extremists who are killing American soldiers...oh, wait....

17 9/11?  Never heard of it.

18 When does the US military start issuing offical burkas?  We don't want those fundamentalist muslims to feel strange, since they snap so easily, so everyone will have to wear them.  It'll be cool.  Trust me.  And the DoD has already done a report that proved that wearing burkas make all of our troops more efficient - with a note that pilots exhibited a gain in proficiency of 27% when forced to wear burkas.  The debate is over.

19

18When does the US military start issuing offical burkas?  We don't want those fundamentalist muslims to feel strange, since they snap so easily, so everyone will have to wear them.  It'll be cool.  Trust me.  And the DoD has already done a report that proved that wearing burkas make all of our troops more efficient - with a note that pilots exhibited a gain in proficiency of 27% when forced to wear burkas.  The debate is over.

Battle Dress Burkas? You may be on to something here. Especially if they come in the latest digitalized camo form.

20 My guess is Obama will have Rahm Emanuel call all the news broadcast  presidents and tell them to make this story go away as quickly as possible.

Although, it may be a little late for that now.

21

Can you even imagine a Japanese- or German-American pulling off this sh*t during WW II and the country being told not to make a connection there?

As Orwell would say, it takes an educated man to be this stupid. 

I'm teaching my kids - islam is evil.  If it were not so there would not be thousands of attacks on innocent people, there would not have been a September 11, or the train bombs in Spain, or the tunnel bombs in the UK, or the oppression of women in islamic countries, or the continued slavery of blacks by muslims and on and on. 

Evil.

Decent people sometimes fall under the sway of evil ideology, but they should be able to call the evil-doers out - something that virtually never happens in islam.  Or happens so half-heartedly and belatedly that it is shameful.

 

22

Battle Dress Burkas? You may be on to something here. Especially if they come in the latest digitalized camo form.

Posted by: genghis at November 09, 2009 04:19 AM (1XErj)

Well, as The Precedent said, "if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world".  We have to dress the part.

23

It's become obvious that the State has placed the defense of Islam over the physical safety of its own citizens;  including even the most sacred and exalted of citizens- members of our armed forces.

When President B. Hussain Obama bowed before the Saudi king, he wasn't committing some horrible outrage...

HE WAS ACKNOWLEDGING A REALITY

It seems that our government is no longer operating in the interests of the citizenry, rather they are marching to the orders of some other master.

I now consider the Ft Hood rampage to be the State's first act of violent aggression against we, the citizens of the USA.

What do we do about this?

24

Here is his Bio.

http://tiny.cc/92tQm

Can anyone here with Army experience tell me if any of those medals listed are something other than 'manager of the year' type of awards?

I'm not finding anything that would have been awarded for actually doing anything in combat.

Seeing his CNN interview is rather puke inducing.

http://tiny.cc/ZLo9y

25 Can anyone here with Army experience tell me if any of those medals listed are something other than 'manager of the year' type of awards?

He has no ribbons for bravery, nor does he have a Combat Infantry Badge (CIB) in that picture.  FYI, the most common bravery medals are the Bronze Star with V device (it's a V on the ribbon) and the  Silver Star.  Air Medals come with a V device, as well.

26 Here are the Army Decorations in order of precedence.  If you click on the name, it will describe it and give you the criteria for award.

27 So basically this guy made 4-star on account of test scores, social and family connections (his daddy was a four-star general too), and most important of all... a WICKED golf swing.

28 Its official.  I'm gonna need a lot more booze!

29 'diversity in the military gives us strength'.  Much more of this kind of diversity and there won't be any military, genius.

30 "Casey is a blithering idiot of the worst kind."

I've known this for years. I'm glad someone else sees it.

31 26 Here are the Army Decorations in order of precedence.  If you click on the name, it will describe it and give you the criteria for award.

Posted by: Popcorn at November 09, 2009 05:05 AM (OOehk)

Thanks!

His most senior medal, the Legion of Merit, looks like a medal Generals give other Generals.

32 backlash against muslims?

# of Muslims killed from "backlash against Muslims" after 9/11: 1 (we're counting the DC Sniper on Tuesday)
# of non-Muslims killed by Muslims in America after 9/11: 23

# of MUSLIM SOLDIERS killed at Ft Hood: 0 (Sgt. Kimberly Munley is very courageous, but she needs some extra range time)
# of non-MUSLIM SOLDIERS killed at Ft Hood: 13

# of MUSLIMS killed on 9/11: 19
# of non-MUSLIMS killed on 9/11: ~3000

33 I really dig how something like this requires thought and introspection prior to declaring the shooter's actions related to his religion. Meanwhile, the second someone is shot outside an abortion clinic, the action is immediately trumpeted as the action of "right wing anti-abortion extremists" and the left demands apologies from the "anti-abortion religious zealots."

What's the lesson we can take from this? This president and this country are AFRAID of Islamic extremists and muslims. That's the lesson the extremists and muslim leaders of the world are going to take from this debacle. You'd better believe it. They will not see this blathering and bleating about rushing to judgement, etc., as people trying to be fair. They're seeing it as based in weakness and fear of them and their efforts.

Guess what THAT mindset got us the last time the left put us in this position? Thousands dead in multiple attacks including the most destructive, deadly attack on U.S. soil in history.

Could someone please shake the president of his self-deluded daydreams about peace and hopey change and force him to his head outta.. .nevermind.

34 Why the flaming skull for this post?  This has been common knowledge for Moron posters since the first day of this event.

35 Your're just racists.

36 Note to self....have Brothers enlist in US Satan Army and wage jihad from inside. I'm so brilliant I can't stand myself!

37 #31 Hey!! Uh Don't I get those?

38

Casey says diversity in the military "gives us strength.""

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Diversity is Strength.

39 #21 Evil ended when uh I was inaugurated...twice.

40 Casey is a classic REMF. Those types spoil it for real soldiers. In a real war they don't last long but in these police actions they thrive.

41 "..and General Casey's stance on the matter is legs spread and arms akimbo for the obligatory Rochambeau...
API is reporting that the swift kick to the groin administered one of the diverse Brothers of Peace will help reinforce the enlightenment of today's military."

Training to begin at o'dark thirty today according to the Pentagon.

-News and new Military Code of Conduct via Code Pink-

42 To be fair to Casey, he was commissioned in 1970 and apparently didn't get sent to Vietnam.  This is not uncommon. 

After Vietnam ended, there weren't many opportunities for combat leadership.  Desert Eagle (?) (Carter), Grenada (Reagan), and Panama (Reagan), were all small events.  The first major combat experience after Vietnam was Gulf War I, under President Bush Sr.  That was in 1990, which means that by that time Casey was at least an LTC.  So his opportunities for combat were more limited than they seem from the perspective of the last 20 years or so.

I'm no fan of the diversity language, myself, but he's the General Court-Martial convening authority and his options for self-expression are very, very limited right now.  So unless you'd like to see the US lose its case against Hasan, you'll want Casey's comments to be very milquetoast for the moment.  Now, in few years...

43 Apparently the jihadi killer had more than just going to the same mosque as the 9/11 terrorists.  He, like them, liked strip clubs, too.  Spending six and seven hours at a time at one not far from Ft. Hood.  "He was a good tipper."  Aww.  Isn't that just peachy?!  From Fox:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573052,00.html.  Saw it at Dinah Lord's place, first.

44 Mosque?...9/11 Terrorists?...never heard of them.

45 Hey, use your style guide.  It is 'alleged 9/11 hijackers.'

46 So was possibly having direct connections to the 9-11 attack kind of a prerequisite for his Homeland Security application?

47

"Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey said Sunday it's important for the country not to get caught up in speculation about Hasan's Muslim faith..."

So he's urging the suspension of freedom of thought and speech?

Fuck you, Casey.  You and the effete ruling class of this country no longer have any authority.  You lost it at Ft. Hood when you massacred us.

As for that fat, lesbo-in-denial, thug, Napolitano, if she spent less time protecting Muslims and more time doing her job of investigating them, this might have been avoided.  It's Homeland Security, not Homeland Affirmative Action, you ugly, Marxist bitch.  Your job is protecting Americans, not bitching at them after they've been massacred by your failure to protect them.

As for that son of a Muslim in the White House, his inadequate skepticism towards those of his father's faith is perfectly understandable.  That's why he should resign or be impeached.  He no longer has the moral authority of President, nor Commander-in-Chief.  Son of a Muslim that he is, Barack Hussein Obama can't even visit the families of the soldiers he allowed to be massacred - he had to have former President George Bush come back to do it for him!  He's the wrong man in the wrong place at the wrong time and he needs to go.

48

O/T – posted here because it is an “open thread” and ONT looks dead.

 

Editorial in local paper from our hero

 

You’ll get a real thrill from reading this POS. He tells one lie after another:

 

As a conservative, I have always believed we can and should be better stewards of God’s creation. I also know we can strengthen our economy and national security by becoming energy independent.

 

Hahahaha, Lindsey Graham is about as conservative as Obama.

 

Last year, we spent more than $440 billion on foreign oil and now find ourselves more dependent on overseas supplies than at any other time in our nation’s history. Sometimes our money even goes to fund enemies bent on our destruction

 

Could that be because you and your butt buddy McLame joined forces with the communists in 2005 to block drilling in ANWR and offshore?  This when the Republicans had a majority.

 

The climate change debate affords us a prime opportunity to address these issues in a way that benefits our economy, national security and environment.

 

Call it what it is asshole, the AGW scam bill designed to do nothing but advance communism in the U.S.  The entire bank of AGW “science” is fraudulent.

 

In the Upstate, General Electric is leading the way in alternative energy sources by manufacturing windmill turbines.

 

Ah, now we see your motives here.  What you liberals like to call “crony capitalism”.  It is neither capitalism nor democracy. It is pure fascism.  How much did GE contribute to your campaign for this support?

 

Most importantly, a green economy can lead to a renaissance in nuclear energy..

 

Never happen while RINOs like you aid the communists in blocking reform.

 

Finally, I believe climate change legislation should open additional regions to responsible offshore drilling.

 

Liar, if you believe that why did you help block it in 2005?  And Crap and tax is not about more oil, it is about killing oil.  It is one of those evil fossil fuels you dumb shit.

 

Empowering unelected bureaucrats is not conservative

 

Bolding his.  LOL, this is just incredible. What in the hell does he think the crap and tax bill does? Hell, you can sell or modify your house without government permission and several hundred thousand dollars worth of “improvements”.

 

Carbon pollution is a real concern.

 

LOL, bolding is still his.  He wants you to know he is a concern troll for the Republican Party.

 

Regardless of whether you view climate change as a real threat or some grand hoax, carbon will eventually be regulated — either through congressional action or by the EPA.

 

Only while the GOP has RINOs like you in office helping the communists do it.

 

I am not a scientist and do not claim to have all the answers.

 

The only thing in the article that is even partially true. If you replace “all” with “any” it would be accurate.

 

I long for the day when this DN is out of office. Too bad we have another 7 years before he is up for a vote again. Too bad we don’t have a recall provision for the Senate.

 

 

49 48 

O/T – posted here because it is an “open thread” and ONT looks dead.

No, Vic. It is not an open thread. You should know better than that.  You should also know better than to post wordy comments that take up 3 or so screen heights. Knock it off.

50 He, like them, liked strip clubs, too.

Hm, yes.  He was waiting for a mail-order bride but in the meantime...  That makes me laugh.  So pious, until piety is constraining.

51
Am I the only one who is more outraged over the fact that this mosque is still standing after 9/11?

52 Let's see...the one common thread with jihadis is Islam, the bloodiest philosophy in the world at the moment.  How wrong of us to think that that is a factor.

As for the fears of meek, loving Muslims, I'll be concerned for their safety when they're concerned for the safety of non-Muslims and clean up the vipers in their midst, rather than refuse to address the problem over concern for Mohammed's precious 'Ummah.' Protesting your innocence while embracing the criminals is not very convincing.

53 51
Am I the only one who is more outraged over the fact that this mosque is still standing after 9/11?

Posted by: Tweet's Magic 8-ball at November 09, 2009 07:07 AM (ouySy)

And apparently, still cranking out Islamic Terrorists. Yeah, I said it

54 Casey is an idiot pencil pusher.  He was replaced by Petraeous for good reason.  And his career consists of  being Rear Command staff in Bosnia and staff positions at the Pentagon. 

55

@ 51   Am I the only one who is more outraged over the fact that this mosque is still standing after 9/11?

I'm outraged that ANY mosque is standing.

56 F... Islam, I don't trust the momzars as far as I can throw them.

And it isn't just this one muslim scumbag that makes me feel this way it is the tens of thousands of muslim scumbags with kifir blood on their hands for example the Armeanian genocide, the Hevron mass murder of jews in 1929, the Sept 11 out rage on any given day somewere a muslim scum bag is murdering a non muslim for there fucking religion.   

IRAN + NUKES = WW3

57 Major Hasan is an ideologically inspired Muslim terrorist, a lone fish swimming in and inspired by a warm, supportive sea of Muslim passivity on the one hand and outright hatred on the other. Those Soldiers killed and wounded at Fort Hood by this armed enemy of the United States deserve the Purple Heart - the President should make it a point to award them in person.We should expect nothing less. The Police Officer that gunned down this cowardly son of a bitch should receive as significant an honor as is possible to bestow upon a civilian employee in this situation - publicly. But, oh yeah, now I remember the script... Major Hasan was apprehensive of being deployed to a combat zone, resentful that he might be asked to harm fellow Muslims, and obviously suffering from traumatic stress disorder (just as "global warming" morphed into "climate change" to conveniently fit any data set, watch "post-traumatic stress disorder" morph into an even more ambiguous syndrome that conveniently fits any contingency supportive of a left-wing agenda item), and picked on by hateful Right-wingers for his faith in the Muslim religion. The dead and wounded will be exploited for every ounce of air time possible by the politicos and then dropped like a bag of dirty diapers. The police officer that plugged this sorry douche bag? I'll bet she gets some quiet kudos, not much more. "Diversity" and fear of "Muslim backlash" are what allowed this man to continue in his subversive path. Well done, boys, well done. Really? Does "diversity" include our (obvious) enemies? Really? lastly, I encountered some of Major Shabazz' (#4) handiwork last year at Fort Hood. Yeah....diversity....that's it....

58 Islamofascist.

59

Speaking as a Sunni Muslim of the Hanafi tradition, fuck Maj. Nidal Hasan and his fucking Wahhabi Salafi ass.  Yeah, way to follow in the footsteps of Saladin, shooting unarmed troops you ignorant douchefuck.  I hope they send your ass to Gitmo.

As for the cockfags worried about a "ZOMG teh MOOOSLIMS" backlash, thanks for treating us like kids you fucking cocksuckers.

60

just sayin...

http://tinyurl.com/yfer4zl

61

Dananjcon,

Anyone can quote from the english translation.  If we could find him reciting it in arabic I might buy it.  As it it stands, I don't htink he has the balls to be a muslim, although I do think he was exposed to it at an early age.  Sort of a religion of convienience.  As I think much of his "religiousity" bears out.  How else can you sit  in the pews for 20 years and not hear a thing?

62 Well, as the government ignores the murderous doctrine of Islam's "jihad" we can at least take some comfort in the fact that over at LGF they have uncovered the REAL religious force behind all the hatred and intolerance in the world-

You guessed it, the Catholic Church...

SHEESH!

63 Seen in the program of the D.C. mosque at the time in question:

Discount flying lessons available!  No takeoff, no landing, just learn how to steer!

64

How else can you sit  in the pews for 20 years and not hear a thing?

Thats my point. His main goal seems to be expediancy! personally, politcally etc.

 

65 9/11?  What's that?

66 Speaking as a Sunni Muslim of the Hanafi tradition, fuck Maj. Nidal Hasan and his fucking Wahhabi Salafi ass.

I've longed to hear something along these lines for a while, now.  Thank you.  (BTW, what the hell is the Hanafi tradition? Haven't heard of that one, but I'm just a pasty white boy...)

67

"I would have to go down and chastise those guys," he recalled in a 2008 interview with NPR, "telling them 'Hey man, those guys are praying. Have the decency not to play the national anthem and agitate them while they're praying."  

I hope those MPs told him that Army protocol trumps the widoo feewings of muslim terrorist cuthroats in a detention camp.

Got a problem with that? Get the fuck out of the Army and join your jihadist friends in Afghanistan.

 

68

Hasan's Imam recently issued the following statement:

Nidal Hassan [sic] is a hero. He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people. This is a contradiction that many Muslims brush aside and just pretend that it doesn’t exist. Any decent Muslim cannot live, understanding properly his duties towards his Creator and his fellow Muslims, and yet serve as a US soldier. The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam. Its army is directly invading two Muslim countries and indirectly occupying the rest through its stooges.

Nidal opened fire on soldiers who were on their way to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. How can there be any dispute about the virtue of what he has done? In fact the only way a Muslim could Islamically justify serving as a soldier in the US army is if his intention is to follow the footsteps of men like Nidal.

The heroic act of brother Nidal also shows the dilemma of the Muslim American community. Increasingly they are being cornered into taking stances that would either make them betray Islam or betray their nation. Many amongst them are choosing the former. The Muslim organizations in America came out in a pitiful chorus condemning Nidal’s operation.The fact that fighting against the US army is an Islamic duty today cannot be disputed. No scholar with a grain of Islamic knowledge can defy the clear cut prhttp://www.verumserum.com/?p=10066oofs that Muslims today have the right -rather the duty- to fight against American tyranny. Nidal has killed soldiers who were about to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in order to kill Muslims. The American Muslims who condemned his actions have committed treason against the Muslim Ummah and have fallen into hypocrisy.

From Verum Serum

69

The sentence that got botched up reads:

No scholar with a grain of Islamic knowledge can defy the clear cut proofs that Muslims today have the right -rather the duty- to fight against American tyranny.

70 No scholar with a grain of Islamic knowledge can defy the clear cut proofs that Muslims today have the right -rather the duty- to fight against American tyranny.


How weird is it that I'm starting to come around to that point of view as well?  At least in regard to domestic policy.

71 The IRA had around 1000 members at any one time, of which about 300 were active service units.  That seems to fit roughly with the ballpark figure you hear that around 1% of Ireland's population made up the sea that a further 1% swam in.  Anyone think that the figures for Islam are better than that, when there've been surveys in which around 40% of UK Moslems are willing to openly admit to some f'ing frightening views?

72 "The US is leading the war against terrorism which in reality is a war against Islam."

So in his mind, he just admitted that Islam is terrorism.

Islam, allegedly a religion of peace.

73 I believe the Government!  Islam is the Religion of Peace.  We should not cause any emotional harm to such honorable people by casting apsersions on them or their great religion because of the acts of one crazed gunman.

74 Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 07:41 AM (EwE2i)

That was awesome.

75

Hey I just saw this on Drudge, sorry if it's already been discussed.

Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact as Qaeda

http://tinyurl.com/yku87uk

76

(BTW, what the hell is the Hanafi tradition? Haven't heard of that one, but I'm just a pasty white boy...)

Speaking as a fellow pasty white boy who is married to a decidedly non-white wife, there are four main tradidtional schools of Islamic "jurisprudence", if you will.  Hanafi is the oldest; the others are Shaafi, Maliki and Hanbali.  Salafism and Wahhabism are sort of a latter-day movement, with roots only as far back as the 1700s.  The Salafis are so conceited that they hold themselves to be the only "pure" muslims - totally ignoring the the vast majority of practicing (or semi-praticing) muslims.  In many parts of Central Asia, folks are as much twice year muslims as Americans are twice a year Christins... on the whole, they drink like there is no tommorrow and eat pork and the whole nine yards.

77 74 Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 07:41 AM (EwE2i)

That was awesome crap.

There can be only one! 

Once the world has submitted, then they will devote their full attention to which way is the way. 

78

79

There can be only one! 

Once the world has submitted, then they will devote their full attention to which way is the way. 

 

Snark?

 

??

Or are you really espousing religious idiocity an intolerance as the way to go here, seeing as how that worked out so well in Ft. Hood?

80 I am saying I will believe you when a follower of any sect of Islam kills an Islamic terrorist to defend non Muslims.

81 # of Muslims killed from "backlash against Muslims" after 9/11: 1 (we're counting the DC Sniper on Tuesday)


That's not "backlash", that's justice.

82 75 

Hey I just saw this on Drudge, sorry if it's already been discussed.

Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact as Qaeda

No, but I'm tacking it on. Good catch.

83

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.

Can we start jumping to conclusions yet?

84

 I am saying I will believe you when a follower of any sect of Islam kills an Islamic terrorist to defend non Muslims.

 

Wow.  Okay, so that's never happened?  In all of history, or just the recent madness?

Can I include Muslims that provide detailed humint that results in successful drone strikes in Pakistan?  Or humint that results in cache finds in Iraq?

Or are you specifically looking for a US uniformed muslim to shoot another muslim who is engaged in specifically anti-American acts?

What about Muslims in India who defend against Islamic (or Hindu) terrorists in India?  Would an example of that suffice?

85

The action at Hood is in the past now, and all anyone can do is to hope the survivors make full recoveries, we get some valuable intel, and the terrorist gets his just ending. 

What has me concerned is that this was a trial balloon -- and our government has reacted very weakly -- I think this will encourage a major terrorist attack on our soil again, and it will look a lot like what this guy did but bigger.

Our government is working at cross purposes to our citizen's safety because they don't want us panicked...they want us out to the movies and shopping and eating and spending money and not worried at all about an attack (and in fairness, Bush didn't do much at all to correct this either -- our civilian preparedness and awareness is a really bad joke).  Our media is helping.

86

One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.

 

HELLLLOOOOOO, political correctness and the soft bigotry of lowered expectations!

87

While we're practicing "diversity", they're practicing Islam.  If Hasan were a white supremacist, a nazi, or a klansman, he would have been booted from the "diverse" military years ago.

 

88

Casey says diversity in the military "gives us strength."

How inspiring! 

"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more; or close the wall up with our English, Scottish, Irish, Danish, Norse, Celt, Angle, Saxon, Jute, Norman, Pict and Roman dead!... Follow your various spirits, and upon this charge cry 'God, Jehovah, Allah, Vishnu for Harry, England, and Saint George, Moses, Mohammud and Hiawatha!'"

89 What about Muslims in India who defend against Islamic (or Hindu) terrorists in India? 

How about a Muslim who defended a Hindu from Islamic terrorists.
Unless there are some specific Hindu terrorists you would like to point out.


Muslims using some one else to attack other Muslims do not count.

90

What has me concerned is that this was a trial balloon -- and our government has reacted very weakly -- I think this will encourage a major terrorist attack on our soil again, and it will look a lot like what this guy did but bigger.

This douchebag wasn't a trial balloon so much as a successful second test run.  Put him in line with Mumbai, and we begin to understand what the second line of attack may be - while we're investing massive resources in scanning cargo containers, it may be easier to find a few "clean" immigrants - or seek to radicalize domestics, who already have garaunteed acess - to carry out a Mumbai style attack.

Imagine you didn't have to land in a boat, but could drive up in a van, or several vans.  True, our cops are more networked with better command and control, but...  how much damage could be done in the mean time, and figure the relative cost.

91 If Hasan were a white supremacist, a nazi, or a klansman, he would have been booted from the "diverse" military years ago.

Or openly gay.

Surely if they can discharge gays, they can discharge people making openly anti-American statements.

92

Hey, Grognerd (#32) -- You didn't mention that all 20 of the Muslims that were killed were civilians!

/extreme sarcasm

93

The Ft. Hood massacre was both actively and passively enabled by the US government.  They actively disarmed our soldiers so that they could be massacred and they passively ignored intelligence on Major Hasan thus allowing that jihadi to do as he pleased.

To what extent did that son of a Muslim in the White House inhibit proper action from being taken against Major Hasan?  What did the White House know about this individual, when did they know it and what did they do about it?

94 O/T:  Stever Forbes on Squawk Box on CNBC

95

Looks like 92 comments and no one has mention this phrases, which I am pretty certain by federal law be uttered in all conversations involving Islam:

Islam is a religion of peace and love

Who, just by some freak accident, keep producing terrorist and suicide bombers. But, it is merely a coincidence. No connection. Cause, ya know, Islam is a religion of peace and love.

Continue, please.

96 heighten the backlash

Heighten? Prove to me that it exists, first.

Only backlash I've seen since September 11 has been by the DC snipers, at the El Al ticket counter in LA, at Fort Hood, planned at Fort Dix, etc. etc.

97

So I see intel was aware months ago of his efforts to contact Al Fucking Qaeda.

The families of 13 dead soldiers are owed an explanation, President Obama.

98 Backlash. Please. I'm still waiting for the backlash. I'd really like to see some. You know, a Muslim victim of a hate crime. Why hasn't there been any? Inquiring minds, and all that.

Wake me when a Mosque is razed to the ground in the US. Until that point, my popcorn will remain un-popped.

99

Diversity is not strength; i am tired of that one.  Nations have a single culture and language, empires have diversity of culture and language, and empires fall.  And every time we try to secure the trappings of being a nation we get called "imperialist". 

Oh, @ 95:

"peace and love" is the religion of hippies, and i don't much care for them either.

 

100 24

Here is his Bio.

http://tiny.cc/92tQm

Ya know, it's not really a good thing when i look at a picture of a general and my first impression is that he looks like an aging butch lesbian. The hell is that happy look on his face? Did the photographer whip out his wang?

101

Islam is a religion of peace and love

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but this much I do know: Islam is a worldview that's a lot different from any other.

So my question is this: How stable is a person who, having not been brought up in this worldview, embraces it later in life, as an adult?

Really: We're not talking about a guy who forsake his Lutheran upbringing for an Episcopalian way of life to satisfy his Anglican future in-laws, or someone who gave up on the St. Louis Blues in order to cheer for the Nashville Predators. Converting to Islam (or from Islam, for that matter) is a radical change in the foundation of a person's life.

102 #91 That is what I have been saying for days now.
A mooz extremist siding with terror ideology is worse than a little "undermining good order and discipline".

103

Wow.  Okay, so that's never happened?  In all of history, or just the recent madness?

The examples of muslims defending non-muslims against muslim terrorists are pretty rare.

Can I include Muslims that provide detailed humint that results in successful drone strikes in Pakistan?  Or humint that results in cache finds in Iraq?

BTW: Pakistan has Taliban moles/sympathizers in its government, its military and its intelligence service.  It's surprising we can get any intel to use Predator attacks.

We also use elint, imint, and sigint collection methods.

It's nice when we can get it, but I wouldn't trust them completely. Pakistan has a history of placating the terrorists within their borders, and allowing them to operate carte blanche. Asif Ali Zardari has a long way to go before he brings the situation in his country under control.

Or are you specifically looking for a US uniformed muslim to shoot another muslim who is engaged in specifically anti-American acts?

Given that muslims are pretty much on the sam Koranic page, I don't see that happening.

Unfortunately, the military doesn't monitor the actions of muslim servicemembers as closely as it does other religious/ideological extremists.

What about Muslims in India who defend against Islamic (or Hindu) terrorists in India?  Would an example of that suffice?

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 08:40 AM (EwE2i)

If you can match the examples one-on-one of "muslims who defend against muslim terrorists" with the examples of muslim terrorism at the link, that would suffice.

http:// www.thereligionofpeace. com/

 

104

To what extent did that son of a Muslim in the White House inhibit proper action from being taken against Major Hasan? 

Chances are the PC brigade got to it LOOOOONG before it made DC.

What did the White House know about this individual, when did they know it and what did they do about it?

Interesting questions, but I'll bet they didn't know crap because inquisitiveness was quashed at the lowest level.  You know, what with McCarthy being a bad guy and all, Venona be damned.

105 Meet Duane Reasoner, Jr., of the Killeen Texas mosque.

I suspect we will be hearing from him again.

Courtesy of "THE BIG FEED" and the BBC.

http://bit.ly/42uVMO

106 I was on duty this weekend and we were all talking about this. The Military is becoming way to PC. But don't expect any changes any time soon. I for one am sick to my stomach

107 They actively disarmed our soldiers

People keep saying this and I don't really understand. These were people waiting for dentist appointments and such. Not everyone in the military walks around all day shooting at things. You really want someone loopy with Novacaine and armed?

What allowed this shooting to happen was the PC b.s. that refused to notice the obvious signs that the guy was a ticketing time bomb.

I usually feel much safer on base than in the real world because most of the crazies and criminals out there have been screened out. That screening needs to actually happen.

108 Meanwhile...  3 Americans are charged with espionage in Iran

http://tiny.cc/HwRxO

109 I usually feel much safer on base than in the real world because most of the crazies and criminals out there have been screened out. That screening needs to actually happen.
Posted by: Mama AJ at November 09, 2009 09:17 AM (Be4xl)

Well being a Navy Dentist, I kinda feel like I oughta be armed sometimes, but that's another story. I was on duty this weekend and we were all discussing whether or not it might be a good idea to let us be armed on Base?

110 This Osmotic PTSD is an insidious disease. 

111

BTW: Pakistan has Taliban moles/sympathizers in its government, its military and its intelligence service.  It's surprising we can get any intel to use Predator attacks.

And yet, we do.   Must come from the Protestant missionaries.

We also use elint, imint, and sigint collection methods.

Which were SO DAMN AWESOME IN PREVENTING - oh hell, never mind. 

It's nice when we can get it, but I wouldn't trust them completely.

You don't trust in intel, you corroborate.  Jesus Christ, is this your first day on the job?

Look, I'm 10 beers into a 12 pack.  I will find you people your examples, but it won't sway your opinion.  Muslims - all muslims - Hanafi, Maliki, Arab, Central asian, Indian, asian, we're all fucking Wahhabi Salafists in your minds.  So forgive me if I don't hop to.

Also, rooting for Iraq and Afghanistan to succeed is explicitily rooting for muslims to succeed.

112

“When I heard that he was behind the shootings, frankly it didn’t seem like much of a stretch,” said the soldier, who asked to remain anonymous because Army commanders instructed him not to speak about Hasan."

This is just unbelievably fucking ridiculous.

Thanks for the link Winston.

113 This Osmotic PTSD is an insidious disease.
Posted by: jcp at November 09, 2009 09:20 AM (DHNp4)

Yeah I just applied for VA Benefits because of it?
/

114 I'm not a fan of personal injury suits, but the Army better get their checkbook out. 

Either he was committing an act of war, which soldiers would be expected to be in danger of and wouldn't have a case, or he was acting as a disturbed individual.  A disturbed individual the Army apparently had plenty of reason to expel before he acted out his aggressions. 

So, pick your poison, Gen. PC, offend some muslims or write some checks.  Tick tock. 

115

Do you ever just feel like banging your head agains the wall. Has everyone lost their minds, is there no common sense left anywhere in the government and the media?

Real people were slaughtered and our liberal medai/government cares only about jumping to conclusions and backlash. It's disgusting.  Maybe if it was their loved one who was murdered they might think differently, but who knows.

 

 

116 flashoverride, hang in there.

we're not called "morons" for nothing!

117

Firehouse:  I have no idea if Islam is or isn't a religion of peace and love. More importantly, I don't care. What I am irritated about is that every time a Muslim commits a murder, the talking heads and politicians trip over themselves to remind us that, in their opinion, Islam is a religion of peace and love. Somehow, in 10 years, the worst thing one can appearantly do is think that a Muslim was influenced by their religion to commit murder.

On the otherhand, clowns like Bill Mahr are nightly afforded the opportunity to bash Christians as fools, clowns, intolerants and bigots with impunity. Mr. Mahr never says "remember, most of the teachings of Christianity have a noble origin and are actually good rules to live by". Christians are chidded as bigots if they decide, in good faith, that the teachings of their religion prevents them from supporting gay marriage.  The Establishment Clause in the Constitution has been construed to such a point that the test is did a non-Christian get offended by the religious display, if so, then it is an unconstitutional establishment of religion and must be stopped.

The double standard of this country with regard to religion is a joke. Christians were pummelled when a Tim McVay goes off the deep end, yet Muslims are protected  when a 9/11 occurs or a Major Hansen goes on a rampage.

Additionally, Christian leaders are forced trip over themselves to denounce the actions of a Tim McVay. Yet, the so-called "moderate" Muslims are allowed to sit on the sideline when Major Hansen goes on a rampage, with no concurrent requirement that they come out and condemn his actions. In fact, the so called moderate Muslim gets it both ways. They get absolved of any wrong doing on the part of the more so-called fanatical elements of their religion, and are expected not to do any of the heavy lifting to actually bring about a peaceful existence of all religions. They get to sit on the sideline and be praised for, in essence, doing nothing. And all of this, to no end, pisses me off day after day after day. If your religion is truly one of peace and love, then, get off your butt and do something. How about breaking up the mosques where the fanatical, extremist Anti-American and anti-jewish hatred is spewed. How about telling Saudi Arabia and the other Islamist law goverened nations to enter the 21st century.

Hey, howabout just doing SOMETHING!

 

118
Think there would be so many "allegedlys" "probablys" if this guy was a Tea Partier?

119 Not to pick nits, Mallamut, but it's Major Hasan.

Hansens are Norwegians in Minnesota.

120 HEY RACISTS, 13 LIVES IS A SMALL PRICE TO PAY FOR DIVERSITY! CELEBRATE IT!!!!



But seriously, if this is the Army's thinking, I'm glad I have nothing to do with it anymore.

121

Think there would be so many "allegedlys" "probablys" if this guy was a Tea Partier?

Bawhahahahahahaha

Dang, that is the funniest thing I think you have ever said.

122 But we'll never know if this had anything to do with this guys religion.

123 This will not end well for Obama. A silver lining perhaps.

124 77 74 Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 07:41 AM (EwE2i)

That was awesome crap.

There can be only one!

Once the world has submitted, then they will devote their full attention to which way is the way.
Posted by: somejoe at November 09, 2009 08:25 AM (mYI46)

I think it's laudable that a muslim actually condemns a situation like this and doesn't play the victim card.

Is it enough as things are?

No way.

I would like too see it done on the streets of London or Amsterdam... Wonder how that would work out.

125 111

Look, I'm 10 beers into a 12 pack.  I will find you people your examples, but it won't sway your opinion.  Muslims - all muslims - Hanafi, Maliki, Arab, Central asian, Indian, asian, we're all fucking Wahhabi Salafists in your minds.  So forgive me if I don't hop to.

Examples or admit you lie.

126 Winston Smith: My bad, not enough coffee yet.

127

You all know what will happen.

The MSM accept that his islamic faith was involved in the killings, but they'll just refer to his brand of Islam as "conservative Islam"

128

Look, I'm 10 beers into a 12 pack.

Dude, it's 8:30 in the morning!  I have to admire that.

129 No worries, dude.

When the Norwegians start to run amok, we've got bigger problems.

130 Ok, can we (and by we, I mean the MSM, including Fox) stop saying "alleged" NOW?

131 Hey look!  A squirrel.

132

 This Osmotic PTSD is an insidious disease. 

 

We should host a fund raising telethon to help find a cure for this horrible affliction

133 "U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda

Oh that is definitely a sign of PTSD.

134 Lord Barry Obama: "Let's not jump to any conclusions."

135 CNN- Three U.S. hikers who strayed into Iran to be charged with espionage, Tehran prosecutor says.

Damn...

136
the MSM, including Fox) stop saying "alleged" NOW?

I sure hope this piece of shit goes in front of a courts martial instead of a civilian jury.  Otherwise he might just walk.

137 I didn't see any connection of Timothy McVeigh with the Christian community. As near as I could make out he was primarily a neo-Nazi anarchist.

138
When the Norwegians start to run amok

You just know it's coming.  Dirty icebacks.

139 Examples or admit you lie=the ugly underbelly of "pics or it never happened"

140 CNN- Three U.S. hikers who strayed into Iran to be charged with espionage, Tehran prosecutor says.

Damn...
Posted by: Sofia at November 09, 2009 09:34 AM (GpIet)


Well I hope that are also charged with STUPIDITY!

141 Just think of all the stuff they're keeping quiet about Me!

142

The biggest concern for the HLS:

ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates — The U.S. Homeland Security secretary says she is working to prevent a possible wave of anti-Muslim sentiment after the shootings at Fort Hood in Texas.

Janet Napolitano says her agency is working with groups across the United States to try to deflect any backlash against American Muslims following Thursday's rampage by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim who reportedly expressed growing dismay over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Would it be safe to say that this administration from top to bottom is rabidly anti-American?

143 Dang-

That is many shades of awesome.

144 Look, I'm 10 beers into a 12 pack.

LOL, must have worked graveyards. I remember those good ole' days when we would get off at 07:30 in the morning on the last day of night shift and all pile over to my house to watch porn and drink beer.

Can't do that if you are a Wahabi. Can't do that if you are a Baptist either but we did it anyway.

145

http://tiny.cc/97fVk

Here is Hasan's Islamic Cleric praising his acts.  Seriously. 

 

Everything comes into fashion again, including (unfortunately) September 10, 2001 thinking. 

146 Mmmmmm, Fluffier Nougat!

147 OK..just wanted to get this straight...intelligence...AND...DHS were aware that this muzzie pig fucker was trying to get in contact with Al Qaeda...but that fucking idiot Napolitano is only worried that the fact that he was Muslim was mentioned?

148 Well I hope that are also charged with STUPIDITY!
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 09, 2009 09:36 AM (TfW4T)


I mean, if your vacation plans already include "hiking in Iraq" why extend "jail time in Iran"?

Wasn't it radical enough?

149
To the Napalitano DHS, that piece of shit Hasan is the 'good guy'.

150 Can't do that if you are a Wahabi. Can't do that if you are a Baptist either but we did it anyway.

Catholics can just do a quick confessional and square that up in 5 minutes the same day.  Got 20 bodies tucked under the porch?  Not really a problem. 

151

Countdown to HORRIFIC tales of Muslims across the U.S. TORTURED by dirty LOOKS. It's happening. Once over here and TWICE over there.

Who am I kidding, I'm sure CAIR already has a list of such tragedies. The asshole media will fail to notice that the first 5 entries on the list took place last Tuesday morning.

152 Obama knew.

153

I can do anything I fucking want ...at any time..because of political correctness

America...what a country

154 Not to pick nits, Mallamut, but it's Major Hasan.

Hansens are Norwegians in Minnesota.

Wisconsin or Missouri Synod?  You have to watch those Wisconsin guys.  The Missourians mostly just make J-ello molds.

155 Let's not jump to conclusions.

156 This guy allegedly went to the 9/11 hijackers' mosque. How convenient. Also, that makes it Bush's fault.

157

Headline: Muslims Fear Backlash -

http://tinyurl.com/ybejysa

Must be those incessant threats from the U.S. Christians to take over the world and murder anyone who doesn't convert, or maybe the continuous Jewish suicide bombers.

That's all I can figure out.

158

But I haven't gotten cynical or anything.

159 ^{57 But, oh yeah, now I remember the script... Major Hasan was apprehensive of being deployed to a combat zone, resentful that he might be asked to harm fellow Muslims, and obviously suffering from traumatic stress disorder (just as "global warming" morphed into "climate change" to conveniently fit any data set, watch "post-traumatic stress disorder" morph into an even more ambiguous syndrome that conveniently fits any contingency supportive of a left-wing agenda item), ....}
Posted by: Tabla Rasa at November 09, 2009 07:33 AM (1D/B6)

It was a case of "post traumatic jihad disorder" (PTJD).

160 We told Obama.  Obama did not keep you safe

161

Gosh, I hope the anti-Muslim backlash doesn't get so bad that people are blasting them on Army posts or skyjacking Muslim jets and flying them into skyscrapers or smashing them to vapor or forcing them to leap from a hundred stories.

You know, like Muslims do.

162 125 111

Look, I'm 10 beers into a 12 pack.



Don't worry, here it's 2h44 pm.

It's always beer time somewhere...

163
Missourians mostly just make J-ello molds.

Scandi perverts. 

164 Janet Napolitano says her agency is working with groups across the United States to try to deflect any backlash against American Muslims following Thursday's rampage by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan,

To give the ugly beatch a break that same thing happened after 9-11 as well. The Bush admin did it but didn't make a big deal out of it. Also big business did it hard. Our boss came in and gave us the "backlash lecture" from senior management.

Our company was also very big on the "diversity" bandwagon as well.

165 133 "U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda

Oh that is definitely a sign of PTSD.

Posted by: Chrissy Matthews at November 09, 2009 09:33 AM (hpqBo)

It's more of a sign of the kind of flaccid counterintelligence policy that will get even more Americans killed if somebody doesn't grow a pair.  Since Hasan was a "U.S. person" there was some degree of risk to be borne in mounting any kind of operation against him that could have neutralized him before he acted.  Whoever was unwilling to bear that risk has the blood of those soldiers on his hands, but more importantly the person who levied that risk on the entire US intelligence community is even more at fault.

Frank Church has killed more Americans than Osama bin Laden has ever dreamed of killing.

166

Firehouse:  I have no idea if Islam is or isn't a religion of peace and love.

It isn't, no more than Christianity is.

More importantly, I don't care.

What I am irritated about is that every time a Muslim commits a murder, the talking heads and politicians trip over themselves to remind us that, in their opinion, Islam is a religion of peace and love.

See, that's PC idiocy for you.

Somehow, in 10 years, the worst thing one can appearantly do is think that a Muslim was influenced by their religion to commit murder.

Which they often are - maybe not influenced, but they belive that they are allowed.

On the otherhand, clowns like Bill Mahr are nightly afforded the opportunity to bash Christians as fools, clowns, intolerants and bigots with impunity.

Yes, Maher is often affored to be a douchebag.  Why, I don't know.  Something about an amendment?

Mr. Mahr never says "remember, most of the teachings of Christianity have a noble origin and are actually good rules to live by". Christians are chidded as bigots if they decide, in good faith, that the teachings of their religion prevents them from supporting gay marriage. 

Well, seeing as how muslims don't suppor t that either, that might be a case for solidarity..

The Establishment Clause in the Constitution has been construed to such a point that the test is did a non-Christian get offended by the religious display, if so, then it is an unconstitutional establishment of religion and must be stopped.

It does seem a little weird, doens't it?  An amendment that specifically states that no laws shall be passed concerning religion is so often invoked concerning... religion...

The double standard of this country with regard to religion is a joke. Christians were pummelled when a Tim McVay goes off the deep end, yet Muslims are protected  when a 9/11 occurs or a Major Hansen goes on a rampage.

It's McVeigh and Hasan, but what's funny is that the opposite side of the spectrum (Olby, et. al) continuously claim the same thing even as the label the Tiller guy as a fundy right wing christian and the census suicide dude.

Additionally, Christian leaders are forced trip over themselves to denounce the actions of a Tim McVay.

Why would they be?  His actions were against the govenrment.  I'm not saying they weren't but....  classic case of misdirection.

Yet, the so-called "moderate" Muslims are allowed to sit on the sideline when Major Hansen goes on a rampage, with no concurrent requirement that they come out and condemn his actions.

They have and will, but it won't be enough.  The long and short is that saying sorry won't bring these 13 back to life.  I have a sister in the Army, On Fort Hood (She's a jew, I'm a muslim, we have jehovah's witnesses in the family, som you can just imagine).  I can't say sorry enough to even begin to make up for this.

 In fact, the so called moderate Muslim gets it both ways. They get absolved of any wrong doing on the part of the more so-called fanatical elements of their religion, and are expected not to do any of the heavy lifting to actually bring about a peaceful existence of all religions.

See, I would argue the other way.  WHlie most of them are busy interacting with other religions and people, trying to live life, some dumbfucks from the deepest, darkest ranks of their faith continue to exploit their notoriety which was gained through decades of media collusion.

They get to sit on the sideline and be praised for, in essence, doing nothing. And all of this, to no end, pisses me off day after day after day. If your religion is truly one of peace and love, then, get off your butt and do something. How about breaking up the mosques where the fanatical, extremist Anti-American and anti-jewish hatred is spewed. How about telling Saudi Arabia and the other Islamist law goverened nations to enter the 21st century.

Hey, howabout just doing SOMETHING!

167 We didn't tell the Army, but we did tell Obama.

168 HORRIFIC tales of Muslims across the U.S. TORTURED by dirty LOOKS.

Any girl forced to attend jr. high has experienced the same or worse.  I'm entertained that  grown men can't handle it. Put on some big-girl panties, imam, and deal with it.

169 What did Sen Lieberman know and when did he know it? Have to think his very early call for a Senate investigation really greased the skids on a lot of this stuff coming out so fast.

170

Headline: Muslims Fear Backlash -

http://tinyurl.com/ybejysa

Oh really.  Better get CAIR on all the networks to whine about not wearing a burqa in a license photo.    Or lack of halal butcher shops.

Damn those civilized westerners and their 'backlash'. 

171 he wasn't on any watch list because he didn't belong to the NRA.

i wonder if these "contacts" were before or after January 20th......

and i'm still rooting for this pig fucker to get a nice, old fashioned runaway MRSA infection that kills his ass through a slow, painful spiral into sepsis, organ failure and eventual death.

you may add to that list the unnamed scumbags who knew about this and allowed it to happen. fuck them all and feed them fish.

172 Scandi perverts.



The females of the species are certainly perverted.  Also quite tall, blond, and busty.

173 157
Headline: Muslims Fear Backlash -

http://tinyurl.com/ybejysa

---------------------

Yes, I heard those Danish cartoonists were already working on the sequel: "Mohamed, a Love Story or how to successfully win the heart of a 9 year old girl"

174 When does accountability come into the Precendential picture. Can't we at least blame New TOTUS?

175 I'm so angry I could draw a picture of Mohammad

176 http://tinyurl.com/yfyezkf

177

And yet, we do.  Must come from the Protestant missionaries.

Or other non-muslims. The point is, and I know you missed it, is that Pakistan isn't a glowing example of anti-terrorist cooperation. 

Which were SO DAMN AWESOME IN PREVENTING - oh hell, never mind. 

And HUMINT is so damned awsome in preventing the "never mind", either.

You don't trust in intel, you corroborate.  Jesus Christ, is this your first day on the job?

You also look for credibility and redundancy. Jesus H. Christ, are you that dense??? I said we were lucky to get intel, let alone information that's trustworthy. I was in the "job" for 20 of my 30 years of Army service. Try your condescending bullshit on someone else.

Look, I'm 10 beers into a 12 pack.  I will find you people your examples, but it won't sway your opinion.  Muslims - all muslims - Hanafi, Maliki, Arab, Central asian, Indian, asian, we're all fucking Wahhabi Salafists in your minds.  So forgive me if I don't hop to.

You come across as four cans short of a six pack.

Trust me, you'll never match the body count accumulated by your "peaceful religion".

Also, rooting for Iraq and Afghanistan to succeed is explicitily rooting for muslims to succeed.

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 09:20 AM (EwE2i)

Islam keeps producing terrorists, homicide bombers, and zealots hellbent on transforming the planet into a Caliphate.

We succeeded in kicking Al Qadea ass out of Iraq. We'll see how they "succeed" in suppressing the brutal proponents of your religion, and finish stabilizing the country.

As for Afghanistan, we're still fighting the Taliban that gets support from Iran and is able to use Pakistan as a base for operations.

Personally, I'm rooting for a complete overhaul of the Koran and the transformation of millions of radical muslims into a peaceful entity. We both know that won't happen.

178 Repeat after me: Every Islamist  is a terrorist waiting his/her turn to attack any/every non believer. (non believer in the worship of a child rapist).

179 172 Scandi perverts.

The females of the species are certainly perverted. Also quite tall, blond, and busty.
Posted by: Winston Smith at November 09, 2009 09:55 AM (MFbfZ)

------------------

Hmmmm, I guess that makes me a scandi...

180

The fact that the FBI and CIA knew this will be all over the media..

..won't it?

181
Hmmmm, I guess that makes me a scandi...

How YOU doin'?

182

Mallamutt: I hear you in spades.

By the way, have you ever noticed how convenient every "root cause" seems to be? Seriously: Wait for somebody to say that the murder in this man's heart wasn't really his fault, then make sure you're sitting down when culpability is assigned.

183

flashoverride the problem is the Hanafi, Maliki, Arab, Central asian, Indian, asian, etc don't seem to have made the effort  to overcome and delegitimize the Wahabis. Instead we get further expansion of this Islamic terrorism.  You(meaning your fellow muslims) alone have the power to stop it from the inside and I don't see the attempt.

184 116 flashoverride, hang in there.

we're not called "morons" for nothing!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 09, 2009 09:25 AM (HKfde)

While you're at it, tell him to stop drunk posting if he can't hold his beer.

:-)

185
The fact that the FBI and CIA knew this

The really frightening this is that if this is true, one of two things happened:  they didn't tell anyone and got these people killed;  OR they told Army/DoD, who didn't do a damn thing about it and got these people killed.

186 I get it...Hasan is to the GWOT what the Viet Cong were to the War in Vietnam. He's just a soldier...in the opposing force, so we can't even send him to Gitmo...'cause THAT'S for terrorists. Since he was wearing a uniform he is a POW.

Think like Eric Holder....

187 We would like to see Obama's Presidential Daily Briefings

188 Don Surber has another link between Hasan and the 9/11 skyjackers.

189 179 172 Scandi perverts.

The females of the species are certainly perverted. Also quite tall, blond, and busty.
Posted by: Winston Smith at November 09, 2009 09:55 AM (MFbfZ)

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Hmmmm, I guess that makes me a scandi...
Posted by: Sofia at November 09, 2009 10:00 AM (GpIet)

Pics or it didn't happen

190

Posted by: polynikes at November 09, 2009 10:02 AM (m2CN7)

Exactly. If there's so many muslims that have the power to stop the atrocities committed in the name of allah, they have yet to exert it.

At the very core of Islam is a violent, brutal ideology. There's few, if any redeeming qualities. They're simply carrying out the edicts proscribed by Mohammad.

191 Hmmmm, I guess that makes me a scandi...
Posted by: Sofia at November 09, 2009 10:00 AM (GpIet)

Pics or it didn't happen
Posted by: In Exile at November 09, 2009 10:05 AM (vKLMa)

Oh, it sure happened hon.

Just not for you.

192

we see what this monster did. we know he is.
all the fools who want to interpret this for us can go to hell and take their spin with them.

193 59   Speaking as a Sunni Muslim of the Hanafi tradition, fuck Maj. Nidal Hasan and his fucking Wahhabi Salafi ass.  Yeah, way to follow in the footsteps of Saladin, shooting unarmed troops you ignorant douchefuck.  I hope they send your ass to Gitmo.

As for the cockfags worried about a "ZOMG teh MOOOSLIMS" backlash, thanks for treating us like kids you fucking cocksuckers.

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 07:41 AM (EwE2i)

Are you a convert? (I don't know if your tradition uses that "revert" terminology. I don't.)

194 Obama was right about not jumping to conclusions last week. 

The extent of  terrorism as a cause is indeed much greater than I originally believed.

195

The Establishment Clause in the Constitution has been construed to such a point that the test is did a non-Christian get offended by the religious display, if so, then it is an unconstitutional establishment of religion and must be stopped.

It does seem a little weird, doens't it?  An amendment that specifically states that no laws shall be passed concerning religion is so often invoked concerning... religion...

Missing the point. The Establishment clause was established to prevent the establishment of a formal religion. The broader point was that the Courts have now construed the test of whether an action violates the Establishment Clause from a more narrow test as established by the founders to a broader, does it hurt your feelings test. Going from an objective (is this government action one that affirmatively takes a step to establish an official or preferred religion) to the subjective (does the litigant feel uncessarily exposed to a religious theme).

Yet, the so-called "moderate" Muslims are allowed to sit on the sideline when Major Hasan goes on a rampage, with no concurrent requirement that they come out and condemn his actions.

They have and will, but it won't be enough.  The long and short is that saying sorry won't bring these 13 back to life.  I have a sister in the Army, On Fort Hood (She's a jew, I'm a muslim, we have jehovah's witnesses in the family, som you can just imagine).  I can't say sorry enough to even begin to make up for this.

Again, missing the larger point. At what time does the moderate Muslim community get called upon to clean up its own problem. The hate spewing mosques still exist. The Saudi Arabia legal code looks like it was written in the 13th century. Funding of extermist groups still occurs. Yet the Moderate Muslim is praised and has accomplished - what? Strangly, not much. Yet, I am a bad person if I tell you to clean up your own act. You want people not to think badly about Islam - then as a Muslim, you have more of an affiramtive duty to clean up your act than I do. Its your religion, not mine. Is it hard, you bet. I married into a Catholic family. Worked at a law firm that was mostly Catholic. Did not stop me from suing a local Catholic priest who was alleged to have molested a child - why, because right is right, wrong is wrong. Did it cause a lot of problems at the work and home front, sure did. But to do nothing is even worse.

On the otherhand, clowns like Bill Mahr are nightly afforded the opportunity to bash Christians as fools, clowns, intolerants and bigots with impunity.

Yes, Maher is often affored to be a douchebag.  Why, I don't know.  Something about an amendment?

And take any Bill Maher rant about Christianity and instead of Christian, have him say Muslim. Wanna bet how long he be on the air.

The overall point of my post was not to lump all Muslims in one group. But, on the other hand, thge moderate muslim has a more significant responsibility that they, as a group, have not shouldered. Sorry, but the Moderate Muslim gets a lot of media and political praise for very little accomplished.

196 We told Obama.

We are puzzled why he said "let's not jump to conclusions"

197 It's comforting to see how many branches of the government participated in this total FAIL.

Someone should check to see if Hasan got a stimulus grant.

198 Why do I think that the Chinese wall that Jamie Gorelick made between the intelligence and law enforcement branches of the FBI back in the 90s has, in the phrase of Congress, been revised and extended to all intelligence branches of this Administration?

199
wall that Jamie Gorelick made between the intelligence and law enforcement branches of the FBI back in the 90s has, in the phrase of Congress, been revised and extended to all intelligence branches of this Administration?

The Precedent made it pretty clear that was the plan from the get-go.  In any case, if you're CIA do you even touch this mutt with a 10' pole?  Hell no, it will probably get you prosecuted by Holder. 

The blood trail on this one is going to lead back to D.C., one way or the other.

200 198, we told Obama.

201

The fact that the FBI and CIA knew this

Looks like we'll have to get the 9/11 commision gang back together, because they did a bang up job the first time around. I mean who knew that no one in our government was responsible in any way for not preventing the events of 9/11? The commision, that's who.

 

This story keeps getting worse and worse. How long are we going to have to use  quotes when refering to Hasan as a   alleged Terrorist.

I don't seem to recall anyone after 9/11 saying the 19 highjackers were "alleged terrorists". Is this how far we have come? We can't even describe the person who commited a terrorist act as a terrorist?

202 I think you are all missing kind of a large point in this case.

I think Major Hasan was on self-prescribed SSRIs and they disinhibited him - that's why he was basically an a-hole to everyone, ranting all the time. That's why he was disinhibited enough to do this.

I feel like Mr. Hand - remember him? everyone is on drugs? - but nowadays WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE. He was a psych doc - I'm absolutely sure he was on at least one psych drug.

203 That said, the reason people around him didn't stop his behavior was clearly political "correctness."

it's a very similar case to that young Asian-American man who murdered all those college students.

204 Hmmmm, I guess that makes me a scandi...


I am quite impressed with your views and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

205

"Trust me, you'll never match the body count accumulated by your "peaceful religion".

SFC, Really?  Are you serious?  So I'll put Mao, Hitler,  and Stalin up against all of the "forced conversions/crusades/slaughters/etc." and we'll see who has the numbers.  Try again.

flashoverride the problem is the Hanafi, Maliki, Arab, Central asian, Indian, asian, etc don't seem to have made the effort  to overcome and delegitimize the Wahabis. Instead we get further expansion of this Islamic terrorism.  You(meaning your fellow muslims) alone have the power to stop it from the inside and I don't see the attempt.

Polynikes, Muslims don't control US broadcasts, so even if the "muslim world" as it were were freaking out, you'd never know.  The PC Brigades would never show any of that one way or the other.

Why don't you ask how many Turkmen were okay with Beslan?  Or Kazakhs, or Uzbeks, or Kyrgyz, or... 

 

206

I guess the only real questions are;

 

Did the Obama administration know of the attack before hand?  Did the government "let it happen on purpose"  or "Make it happen on purpose"?  Where were the jews at Ft. Hood? Did they receive a tip off not to be there? Is it even possible for bullets to penetrate flesh, organs and bones? What are Charlie Sheen's thoughts on the incident? Is he going to have another faux interview with the president? Will CNN report on this "second faux interview" and treat it as a news story as they did the first?  These serious questions deserve serious answers.

 

/joke

207 U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

I am gobsmacked.

208 202
I feel like Mr. Hand - remember him? everyone is on drugs? - but nowadays WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE.


Including ALL Palestinians then.

209

Why don't you ask how many Turkmen were okay with Beslan?  Or Kazakhs, or Uzbeks, or Kyrgyz, or... 

 

Those damn dirty Uzbeks.

210

 202
I feel like Mr. Hand - remember him? everyone is on drugs? - but nowadays WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE.


Including ALL Palestinians then.

 

jokes on us Sofia, your government Euros and our American Dollars(soon to have an equal exchange rate with toilet paper) are being sent to the Palestinians by our respective governments. So we pay for what they do.

211

#54, what does not appear in George Casey's official bio is in 1977 he was one of the lieutenants selected by a SF colonel name of Charlie Beckwith to serve at Beckwith's 1st SFOD-Delta.

He did it for a while and went back to Big Army for the sake of his marriage and family. But he's a very smart guy, and a very good guy. No Petraeus, mind you, but the positions he's held (Director of the Joint Staff, Army Chief of Staff) don't go to gunfighters, but the guys who can make the system work.

I think he was a lousy MNF-I commander though, and thought that because I WAS in MNF-I at the time.

I think the news of Hasan at the strip club (per Fox News, remember guys, tip your dancers because they'll be the ones talking to the reporters later) might do a bit to undermine his oh-so-holy Muslim image and make him just another cowardly murdering bastard.  

212

Personally, I'm rooting for a complete overhaul of the Koran and the transformation of millions of radical muslims into a peaceful entity. We both know that won't happen.

You know, the day before Martin Luther nailed something up, much the same could be said about Christianity.

213 Posted by: Winston Smith at November 09, 2009 10:16 AM (MFbfZ)

It's a very restricted subscription.

One membership only and it's currently taken.

214

What are Charlie Sheen's thoughts on the incident?

ZZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ, ZZZZ, oh, hot blond, wonder if she is Norweigen, ZZZZ, ZZZ, ZZZZ,

215 So a Muslim kills non-Muslims and our concern is about other Muslims?

I'm really tired of this "we aren't all like that, so you'd better not discriminate" mentality.  Maybe we ought to see some repudiations and beatings against the jihadis.  But as long as we bend over backwards, they will accommodate.

216 Mark Steyn had a pretty good take a couple of days ago on NRO.

http://bit.ly/JCB5t

217 97  The families of 13 dead soldiers are owed an explanation, President Obama.

I Won.

218

I think the news of Hasan at the strip club (per Fox News, remember guys, tip your dancers because they'll be the ones talking to the reporters later) might do a bit to undermine his oh-so-holy Muslim image and make him just another cowardly murdering bastard.  

Nope,. it'll put him square in with the behaviors of people who believe they are about to be "shaheed", ie Tangos.

219 In Toronto this week, the brave ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish mentioned en passant that, on flying from the U.S. to Canada, she was questioned at length about the purpose of her visit by an apparently Muslim border official. When she revealed that she was giving a speech about Islamic law, he rebuked her: “We are not to question sharia.”

That’s the guy manning the airport-security desk.

220

Those damn dirty Uzbeks.

Posted by: Ben at November 09, 2009 10:18 AM (wuv1c)

 

Bah, my son and daughter are 1/4 Damn dirty Uzbek.

221

In Toronto this week, the brave ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish mentioned en passant that, on flying from the U.S. to Canada, she was questioned at length about the purpose of her visit by an apparently Muslim border official. When she revealed that she was giving a speech about Islamic law, he rebuked her: “We are not to question sharia.”

That’s the guy manning the airport-security desk.

You Canucks ought to look into that.  Almost like you  don't have freedom of speech or religion up there.

222

Polynikes, Muslims don't control US broadcasts, so even if the "muslim world" as it were were freaking out, you'd never know.  The PC Brigades would never show any of that one way or the other.

Why don't you ask how many Turkmen were okay with Beslan?  Or Kazakhs, or Uzbeks, or Kyrgyz, or... 

Now you're reaching. In fact  the PC brigades would be jumping at the chance to broadcast any comments by Muslim leaders  that would shed good light on them.   You as are the rest of your moderate compatriots are all talk, no action.  When a leading Muslim Iman or leader declares religious war on Wahabism and terrorism, and doesn't back down, come talk to me.

Anwar Sadat may he rest in peace.

223 So it takes at least 13 dead to get the FBI (law enforcement) interested in doing an investigation on a Muslim?

224 jokes on us Sofia, your government Euros and our American Dollars(soon to have an equal exchange rate with toilet paper) are being sent to the Palestinians by our respective governments. So we pay for what they do.

Posted by: Ben at November 09, 2009 10:20 AM (wuv1c)

Yes, I know.
But people here are all on board for the cause.
You have no idea how many women young and old I see everyday wearing Keffiyeh's... And I mean the "real" one's not the "fashionista" type...

225 You know, the day before Martin Luther nailed something up, much the same could be said about Christianity.

If only the worst problem with Islam were corruption and the selling of indulgences.

Even then, Christendom was significantly less violent than the world at large.  The whole reason for the crusades centuries before was the holy land being overrun by Muslims.  The Viennese were constantly having Muslims over for tea in the Middle Ages.

226 218

STFU

post an example to rebut my statements of just pass out after all the beers you have had, you lying scruntish sucker of cock!

227

Notice the header: "Alleged Shooter..."  That's standard crap from the AP.

By the way, Hasan is allegedly a radical muslim (redundant), who allegedly promoted jihad against fellow Soldiers and the United States. He also allegedly murdered 13 Soldiers who are allegedly dead, and allegedly wounded 31 others. His radical muslim freinds at the Ft. Hood mosque where he worshiped are fully supportive of his alleged Islamic-inspired rampage.

AP's skewed reporting is why I never read or cite it anymore.

228 And I mean the "real" one's not the "fashionista" type...

Whatever the f*** that means.

I'd never be caught dead wearing those. I feel sick just looking at them. Even in the workplace they wear them.

They are just oblivious to what it means...

229

You know, the day before Martin Luther nailed something up, much the same could be said about Christianity.

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 10:21 AM (EwE2i)

That's action by the way.

230 It is important for the country not to get caught up in speculation about Hasan's profession, and we must instruct commanders to be on the lookout for anti-psychiatrist reaction to the killings. Focusing on the vocational roots of the suspected shooter could "heighten the backlash" against all psychiatrists in the military. The vast majority of army psychistrists are not murderous fanatics. Psychiatry in the military gives us strength.

231

SFC, Really?  Are you serious?  So I'll put Mao, Hitler,  and Stalin up against all of the "forced conversions/crusades/slaughters/etc." and we'll see who has the numbers.  Try again.

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 10:17 AM (EwE2i)

Hell, the muslims are giving all of them a run for their money.

232
Somebody boot this full-of-shit troll.

233

You Canucks ought to look into that.  Almost like you  don't have freedom of speech or religion up there.

Or maybe ask a Mormon who contributed to the No on Gay Marriage initative in California.

234

You know, the day before Martin Luther nailed something up, much the same could be said about Christianity.

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 10:21 AM (EwE2i)

Where's your Islamic Martin Luther?

235

Anwar Sadat may he rest in peace.

Oh, you forgot Ataturk.

Even then, Christendom was significantly less violent than the world at large.  The whole reason for the crusades centuries before was the holy land being overrun by Muslims.  The Viennese were constantly having Muslims over for tea in the Middle Ages.

LOL.  Are you seriously just glassing over centuries of strife?  You know, if you're not ready to just acknowledge that the middle ages were a huge bloodletting exercise on many fronts, that's cool, but... "The Viennese were constantly having Muslims over for tea in the Middle Ages"?

Shut up.  That's like saying that Jeruslaem had minor power struggles.

As for SFC, I share his sentiment of didsain for the AP.

236 From Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic, of all places:


Here's a simple test: If Nidal Malik Hasan had been a devout Christian with pronounced anti-abortion views, and had he attacked, say, a Planned Parenthood office, would his religion have been considered relevant as we tried to understand the motivation and meaning of the attack?

237 So flash, to what and to whom should a redress for grievances be posted?

238 and flash, have you ever talked to any greeks or indians about the peaceful nature of Islamic foreign policy in the middle ages?

239

Hell, the muslims are giving all of them a run for their money.

 

I'd like to see a numerical breakdwon, with citations please.

240 Herr Morgenholz: I've longed to hear something along these lines for a while, now.  Thank you.  (BTW, what the hell is the Hanafi tradition? Haven't heard of that one, but I'm just a pasty white boy...)


Some Hanafis shot Marion Barry in the chest during a hostage standoff, so they can't be all bad.

241 Here's headline you will never see.

Dr. murdered at abortion clinic.  Police have not determined a motive at this time.

242

As for SFC, I share his sentiment of didsain for the AP.

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 10:36 AM (EwE2i)

That would be her. I know the moniker isn't gender specific, but I'm a retired female Army SFC.

 

243

flashoverride: You know, the day before Martin Luther nailed something up, much the same could be said about Christianity.

If Catholics were still burning heretics today, I would advocate going to war against them as well.

244

You know, the day before Martin Luther nailed something up, much the same could be said about Christianity.

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 10:21 AM (EwE2i)

That's some first class stupidity right there.

245

flashoverride. All religions have their extermist who carry out violent acts in an alleged furtherance of their religious beliefs. Yet, most such fanatics are dealt with by people of their own religious beliefs. More importantly, the leaders of each such religion go out of their way to say this crap must stop, it is not what our God teaches us, enough. Yet, in the Muslim world, there is constantly a mixed message. You have the moderate muslim who says this is not what Islam is about. Too often, however, that voice is drowned out by the more extremist views who scream from high that Islam demands not only that act, but more.

Again, if you wish for people not to have a skewed view of Islam, then as a Muslim, the burden is upon you and other Muslims who believe as you do to clean up your own act.

246

So flash, to what and to whom should a redress for grievances be posted?

The US Army, specifically the WRAMC at Bethesda where this was first pointed out.

and flash, have you ever talked to any greeks or indians about the peaceful nature of Islamic foreign policy in the middle ages?

Oddly enough, not much then was peaceful, so no I didn't.

247

I think the news of Hasan at the strip club (per Fox News, remember guys, tip your dancers because they'll be the ones talking to the reporters later) might do a bit to undermine his oh-so-holy Muslim image and make him just another cowardly murdering bastard.  

 

Other than the fact that's exactly what the 9/11 hi jackers did, and I'm pretty sure we have accepted their relationship to Islam.

248

WTF, the lead agent investigating has declared  religion had NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER!!!1!!1 in this asshole shooting up Ft. Hood - the agent's name?  Ahmed Faisal.  Un-fucking-believable.

249

That would be her. I know the moniker isn't gender specific, but I'm a retired female Army SFC.

Well, as one prior service Staff NCO to another, I apoligize Ma'am.

250 Jihadi is awake, talking.

251

A fellow Army doctor who studied with Hasan, Val Finell, told ABC News, "We would frequently say he was a Muslim first and an American second. And that came out in just about everything he did at the University.

Finell said he and other Army doctors complained to superiors about Hasan's statements.

So is the Army busy digging through it's files looking for similar complaints about other soldiers?  No, it's concerned about backlash.  Looking for other potential terrorists in the ranks would be backlash.

We are so f-ed.

252

So he attended the same mosque as the 9/11 hijackers.

If Teh One has taught us anything, it's that you can attend a crazy, hate-infested house of worship for _years_ and miss every word of it.

Quit yer worrying.

253

Oh, you forgot Ataturk

Yes ,at least he was more successful than the Shah. Both who made the attempt to make Muslim States more secular.  Unfortunately Turkey has taken steps backwards since then and Iran was lost.

254

flashoverride. All religions have their extermist who carry out violent acts in an alleged furtherance of their religious beliefs. Yet, most such fanatics are dealt with by people of their own religious beliefs. More importantly, the leaders of each such religion go out of their way to say this crap must stop, it is not what our God teaches us, enough. Yet, in the Muslim world, there is constantly a mixed message. You have the moderate muslim who says this is not what Islam is about. Too often, however, that voice is drowned out by the more extremist views who scream from high that Islam demands not only that act, but more.

Again, if you wish for people not to have a skewed view of Islam, then as a Muslim, the burden is upon you and other Muslims who believe as you do to clean up your own act.

I'm white.  You gonna give me money to set up a satellite channel?  Moderates never draw the money, that's the whole purpose of crazies.  You gonna pay to relocate my family?  If so I'm all over it.

 

255

I'm waiting for the liberal loonies to whine that The White House is a certainly insensitive name, if not a racist name, and, therefore, an inappropriate name for their president's residence.

256

I'd like to see a numerical breakdwon, with citations please.

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 10:39 AM (EwE2i)

For a muslim, you sure are obtuse when it comes to your own history and current events. Do you not pay attention?

There's hundred of websites that discuss the "numerical breakdown" (body count) and accompanying citations.

You can start here: http:// www.thereligionofpeace. com/

The book by Paul Fregosi, Jihad in the West, gives a historic compliation of Islam's violence.

Daniel Pipes: www.danielpipes. org

Robert Spenser: http://www.jihadwatch. org

Happy Reading.

257 250 Jihadi is awake, talking.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 09, 2009 10:50 AM (NtiET)

I hope somebody let him know that he was taken down by a girl!

Yeah, yeah, I know- "cruel and unusual"- what can I say I guess I'm just a sadist...

258
Happy Reading.

Expect eng or whichever troll this is to cut and run post haste.  Facts are inconvenient things, you know.

259 I am stunned, and I mean that seriously. No wonder the FBI was quick to say "not terrorist related." Way to CYA guys by getting that meme to the MSM quickly.

260

Well, as one prior service Staff NCO to another, I apoligize Ma'am.

Posted by: flashoverride at November 09, 2009 10:49 AM (EwE2i)

NCOs are not addressed as "sir" or "ma'am". We work for a living, remember?

261 If Teh One has taught us anything, it's that you can attend a crazy, hate-infested house of worship for _years_ and miss every word of it.

Unless you're Mormon, Evangelical, etc.  Then you're automatically a hate-infested bigot.

262 Nighthawk - I hope that she was able to crutch in there herself and tell him to his face.

263 flash, As it is more important to today's problems then who was meaner back in the day, where do you stand on Islamic doctrinal precedence? Does the older material have more sway then the newer in your view? How often does this get debated in RSA or Cairo?

264 Yeah, those evil Christians burned people at the stake in the middle ages.

In fact during the 400 years that the inquisition was functioning there were a total of approximately 2,000 people executed.

The followers of Islam routinely exceed that every year and on 9-11 they exceeded it in one day.

Yeah, there is some moral equivalence there alright.

265

Islamic terrorism, plain and simple. No way the Zero crew will be able to spin it otherwise. Preventable except for political correctness. Lets see them spin that too. Incompetence is rampant throughout this government.

266

Oh hey SFC, your links dind't work!  And forgive me if I don't take Robert Spencer at his word 100% of the time.

You'll get defensive over that statement, so allow me to restate:  Would you belive numbers from Osama Bin Laden?  What about Mullah Omar?  At least they were there and had first-hand accounts.

Let me put it this way: the best way is to get intle from your idelogical opponents and then seek to disprove it.

267

I'm white.  You gonna give me money to set up a satellite channel?  Moderates never draw the money, that's the whole purpose of crazies.  You gonna pay to relocate my family?  If so I'm all over it.

So, do nothing. Except get bent out of shape when someone complains that others of your religion misuse your religion for the wrong purpose.

Thanks for proving my point. Your ass sits on the sideline and you expect praise for sitting there. Or, you expect me to give you the means to combat the extermist of yours (and not mine) religion.

Game, set and match. Thanks for playing.

268 262 Nighthawk - I hope that she was able to crutch in there herself and tell him to his face.

Posted by: reason at November 09, 2009 10:56 AM (+hPIb)

Followed by those three sweet, special, charming little words:

"You're under arrest"...

269 In fact during the 400 years that the inquisition was functioning there were a total of approximately 2,000 people executed.

Citation needed.  Please include the "new world".

270 The inquisition did not come to the "new world". Citation??? There is a world of articles out there about the inquisition, Google or Bing is your friend.

271 Hey, General Casey, you sound like a dumbass.

272 When can we start shooting idiots, both in office and definitely in the Dumocrat party? NOW? Please?

273

You know, the day before Martin Luther nailed something up, much the same could be said about Christianity.

Almost five centuries ago.

Christianity (in almost all denominations) since that point has been capable of introspection.

There is a lesson there.

274 The MSM is an Al Qaeda enabler.

We are back to the pre-911 mentality of not sharing information.

The Democrats and MSM and Lefty pundits have been, are now, and always will be in denial about what we face.

Radical Islam is using our Constitution against us. Many Mosques are enemy installations and should be treated as such.

A few more attacks like the last one and they will be.

275 Clean up on aisle 272.

276

Thanks for proving my point. Your ass sits on the sideline and you expect praise for sitting there. Or, you expect me to give you the means to combat the extermist of yours (and not mine) religion.

Game, set and match. Thanks for playing.

You're asking me to do the same thing you complained about earlier, namely apologize, excuse, or condemn fellow "co-religionists" even after I condemned his action in pretty much the stongest term possible.  I'm not an Imam, okay you dickfuck?  I'm just another douchebag muslim.  Go fuck yourself if you think that I have any more of a moral obligation to "excuse" my people than you do, you fucking piece of shit.  Why don't you fucking apoligize for that dumbfuck in Orlando?  Or the cocksucker copkiller in Seattle?

277 I hope all you liberal panty waste that have the 'Coexist' bumper stickers are paying the fuck attention!

It would seem to me that ONLY ONE 'RELIGION' seems to be committing all the heinous acts.

douche bags

278 All of the "let's not jump to conclusions" media people aren't too bright. That argument might hold up if the shooter had died. But he didn't.

So after all their talk about "transferred post-traumatic stress disorder" and "this wasn't religiously motivated," they're going to get to watch this guy sit up and say.. "Hmm.. let's see.. I wore my traditional Muslim garb and gave away all my belongings and copies of the Koran.. I gave everyone a million hints that I was a jihadi.. Basically I told everyone who asked and told several who didn't ask.. and then I went and shot up the place and killed people while shouting 'Allah Akbar.' So what would I have to do to convince you that this was my own little jihad? Should I wear a t-shirt next time that says 'Surprise! It's a jihad! Die Infidels!' ? Hmm? Would that work for you?"

279 Unfortunately, I am not at all surprised by the CYA PC BS spin coming out of the administration. Nor should we really have expected any less, after the previous 10 months. However, the administration must carry out an investigation, court-martial or no court-martial. It is both the duty of the administration as a governing body, and necessary to save their political skins. Being seen as soft on terrorism is bad enough; actively sweeping the terrorist incident and the terrorist under the rug will be lethal to Teh Obamessiah 2012 campaign. However, look for this story to have news flags attached to it for a long time. This one will not go away, because the Blogosphere and the new Conservative media grapevine will not permit it. Teh Obamessiah and his disciples will grow to loath Islamicist terrorists, if only because they interfere with The Won's dream of turning this Republic into a multi-culti socialist unemployed workers' paradise.

280 Obama failed to protect us.

281 The attack was plainly an attempt at a sucidie action by a wannabe jihadi.  Hasan did not plan to live through it, plain and simple.  One of the biggest coups of the whole deal may end up being that he stayed alive long enough for the deposition.

282 Jihadis in the Army - My new don't ask, don't tell policy

283 flashoverride, you eviscerated your argument when u mentioned Martin Luther. He is proof that Christians didn't just sit idly, but acted to change the abuses in their religion.

The point being made here is that muslims have not.

284 So the Chinese executed nine Uighurs.  Who thinks there will be any Muslim backlash?  Yeah, right.

285 Obama does not care if Muslim fanatics kill Americans.

Unless that hurts his image and chances for re-election.

286

You're asking me to do the same thing you complained about earlier, namely apologize, excuse, or condemn fellow "co-religionists" even after I condemned his action in pretty much the stongest term possible.  I'm not an Imam, okay you dickfuck?  I'm just another douchebag muslim.  Go fuck yourself if you think that I have any more of a moral obligation to "excuse" my people than you do, you fucking piece of shit.  Why don't you fucking apoligize for that dumbfuck in Orlando?  Or the cocksucker copkiller in Seattle?

Wow - you know the argument is over when the childish profanity starts spewing. Give it up, flashoverride, you walked into and you know it.

I have already provided you with an example of where I challeneged my religious authority because of it was the right thing to do. You, to date, have only asked that I give you the means and the money to combat the intolerance of yours. Sorry pal, as my Daddy used to say, man up or shut up. Stop spewing profanitites at me for your own inability to engage in a cohesive argument and work at eliminating the extremist in your own religion, or just hush, cause that is life.

 

 

287 So what would I have to do to convince you that this was my own little jihad? Should I wear a t-shirt next time that says 'Surprise! It's a jihad! Die Infidels!' ?

Skywriting.

I can't believe no one is complaining about how infantilizing and condescending white libs are being to Muslims.  *head pat*  "No, no, we'll tell you when you're committing jihad.  We know your culture better than you do."

288 I am still paying Major Hasan.  We can't fire him - that would be discrimination.

He should still get his disability pay and his Army pension.

Oprah may talk to him soon.

289 exdem13: "Teh Obamessiah and his disciples will grow to loath Islamicist terrorists, if only because they interfere with The Won's dream of turning this Republic into a multi-culti socialist unemployed workers' paradise."

Erg will soon be here to tell us the converse, that Republicans love the terrorists because they "distract" the voters from "progress".

That's pretty much the central theme of the 9/11 Troof movement in fact.

290 Yahoo's saying the fucker's awake.

291 I was watching MSNBC this morning (yeah, i know) and they had some tool from the Washington Post on and he was lamenting that he just didn't like the road some people were going down, trying to connect Hasan's religion to his actions. And then he said, and i shit you not here, that just because this one person who commited this terrible act went to the same mosque as those other people who commited a terrible act, it doesn't mean we should draw a connection between the two. Now, i'll be generous and allow that it could just a big coinky dink that he went to the same mosque as the 9-11 hijackers, but we shouldn't even think about the possibility that the two are connected? Really?

292 135 CNN- Three U.S. hikers who strayed into Iran to be charged with espionage, Tehran prosecutor says.

Damn...

Posted by: Sofia at November 09, 2009 09:34 AM (GpIet)

I can't say I'm too upset.  Who in their right mind goes hiking on the Iraq border?  I've never heard it praised for its scenic beauty.  IIRC, these three were from San Fran Nan's town. Do you see her or Zero doing anything to rescue these American citizens (albeit lefties, no doubt)?  Will this register to the US leftards that their president doesn't give a rat's arse about them?

293 Will the hanging be on live TV?

294 288 I am still paying Major Hasan.  We can't fire him - that would be discrimination.

He should still get his disability pay and his Army pension.

Oprah may talk to him soon.

Posted by: Obama at November 09, 2009 11:12 AM (+sBB4)

He'll be a Democrat congressman from Detroit before you know it...

295 287  I can't believe no one is complaining about how infantilizing and condescending white libs are being to Muslims.  *head pat*  "No, no, we'll tell you when you're committing jihad.  We know your culture better than you do."

The Muslims can live with it until they kill or enslave them, no biggie.

296 Hey lookee, Nighthawk capitulated to the Christian fundamentalist loonies on Ann Coulter's website, and now he is posting here. Don't worry Ken, I won't tell the Welfare Queen Val that you're here.

297 This is obviously the first symptom of Obama's decision to criminalize the WOT and to make agents feel like their decisions may subject THEM to criminal liability.  America's chickenzzzuhhh have come home-aaaa ta' rooossst-aaaa!

298 288 I am still paying Major Hasan.  We can't fire him - that would be discrimination.

He should still get his disability pay and his Army pension.

Oprah may talk to him soon.

Posted by: Obama at November 09, 2009 11:12 AM (+sBB4)

Different Nighthawk, sorry for the confusion- this Nighthawk is an LGF refugee in the witness protection program...

299 296 Hey lookee, Nighthawk capitulated to the Christian fundamentalist loonies on Ann Coulter's website, and now he is posting here. Don't worry Ken, I won't tell the Welfare Queen Val that you're here.

Posted by: Nighthawk is the man at November 09, 2009 11:17 AM (Cta0m)

Different Nighthawk, sorry for the confusion- this Nighthawk is an LGF refugee in the witness protection program...

Boy, I messed that one up somehow...

300 Posted by: Winston Smith at November 09, 2009 10:26 AM (MFbfZ)

If your going to quote Mark Steyn at least cite him.

Plagiarist.

301 I hope all you liberal panty waste that have the 'Coexist' bumper stickers are paying the fuck attention! -- There was a version of that sticker in which the Muslim crescent had been replaced by an explosion.

302 You say "Alleged Shooter".
I say "Shooter".

Toe-may-toe.
Toe-mah-toe.

303 This whole ordeal is about the kazillionth reason why the American people cannot and will not trust the government. They knew on multiple levels Hasan had problems and needed some serious help and most definitely removed from the Army. Where was the common sense to promote the common defense and general welfare of Americans?

I for one am offended by Casey and my heart is broken for the military members that had to hear him say that B.S. Can you imagine being in the military, knowing you are going to have to watch over your shoulder for an enemy from within, and that the high command is watching YOU because they fear YOU might lash out? Since when has our beloved military en masse ever lashed out at innocents the way Casey suggested? Our military is made up of the best of the best and they are not of such low morals as to take out innocent men or women because they are angry Hasan killed their fellow soldiers. It is just outrageous to suggest we civilians would react in a similar manner towards any Muslim. As others stated earlier, even after 9-11 we did not rise up and kill Muslims right and left! We the People are not wired to kill innocents!

We will however be looking at CAIR, the unindicted co-conspirators, and other radical Muslims with all our momma eyes. We will use the eyes in the back, sides, and top of our heads to watch those we suspect might want to harm ANY American. Be you Baptist, Methodist, Muslim, Jew or Catholic; Americans NEVER wish harm to come to anyone unless you attack us first. We are law abiding peoples, most of us are armed to the teeth and if we wanted to we could lash out we could raise one hell of a ruckus, but again, Americans are a freedom and justice loving peoples who believe life is precious and should never be taken based on emotions such as a "lash out".

I for one want the bastard tried and after found guilty, either shot by a firing squad or hung. We can let Al Jazzerra televise it so the murdering jihadists worldwide know we will not take this crap. You know, televise justice being done. It is time to send a message to the murderous jihadists of the world that we mean business. Somehow I doubt any of this will transpire. I can dream.

304 I told you morons that Obama would be tested.

305 I hope all you liberal panty waste that have the 'Coexist' bumper stickers are paying the fuck attention!

Word. And get those dumbass stickers off of us.

306

Wow - you know the argument is over when the childish profanity starts spewing. Give it up, flashoverride, you walked into and you know it.

Becauswe adults, especially adults who have served in the armed forces, never ever swear.  AWESOME ARGUMENT.  I'd stick to it.

 I have already provided you with an example of where I challeneged my religious authority because of it was the right thing to do.

Where was that?  You're not Martin Luther.

You, to date, have only asked that I give you the means and the money to combat the intolerance of yours. Sorry pal, as my Daddy used to say, man up or shut up.

I said that if you're so nterested in hearing my type of opinion, put your money where your outh is.  Of course you're not going to put up any money, and of course I'm not going to comprome my two toddler's safety on this issue.

Stop spewing profanitites at me for your own inability to engage in a cohesive argument and work at eliminating the extremist in your own religion, or just hush, cause that is life.

In America, I can still say fuck you, and call you a douchebag.  God, I love this country.

 

307 See above on Casey, he is the convening authority on the General Court Martial -- he cannot say anything. Do you remember that ass Murtha weighing (literally) in on Haditha -- undue command influence. Relax on what Casey, the DA, or FBI say publically - they have laywers and professional PR people who are going to allow only mush to be said. Now, what Casey says after being retired for a few years is what I want to hear.

308

"Different Nighthawk, sorry for the confusion- this Nighthawk is an LGF refugee in the witness protection program.". - Nighthawk imposter

Oh no, say it ain't so? I was just getting ready to have some fun with you. Even on those infrequent occasions when the genuine, authentic Nighthawk was lucid, he was still so ditzy that he was the answer to a troll's prayers.

309 Has Obama scheduled Beer Summit II yet?

310

Wow - you know the argument is over when the childish profanity starts spewing. Give it up, flashoverride, you walked into and you know it.

Becauswe adults, especially adults who have served in the armed forces, never ever swear.  AWESOME ARGUMENT.  I'd stick to it.

Of course you are free to use profanity. But saying the damn earth is flat is no more convincing than saying the earth is flat. Its just a way of emphasising a lost point by somehow convincing me your right because you used a profanity. This is called the drunk at the bar defense. It works like this:

Friend: Dude, your drunk

Drunk: No I am not

Friend: No, you are

Drunk: No Goddamn it, I am not f'ing drunk.

It s called logic, and it appears you have not grasped that concept either.

I have already provided you with an example of where I challeneged my religious authority because of it was the right thing to do.

Where was that?  You're not Martin Luther.

Try post number 195 - keep up here, my back hurts from carrying you this long.

You, to date, have only asked that I give you the means and the money to combat the intolerance of yours. Sorry pal, as my Daddy used to say, man up or shut up.

I said that if you're so nterested in hearing my type of opinion, put your money where your outh is.  Of course you're not going to put up any money, and of course I'm not going to comprome my two toddler's safety on this issue.

I lost some serious cash on the case discussed at 195, so yea, I do put my money where my mouth is. And I send my kids to Catholic school, so don't think they were not subjected to some crap when they went there. Or, are you just afraid to stand up to the extermist in your own religion. In otherwords, I won't challenge the extermist, they make my life hard. Glad to know that. So, you expect me to fix the problems with Islam while you sit on the sidelines and reap the benefits of my hard work. Sorry, its your problem. If you are too afraid to stand up to the extremist in Islam, then you have to accept the fact that its your own inaction that are leading to the negative view of Islam in the world. No  more praise for just sitting there and letting extermist kill, maim and ruin the lives of other. This isn't a recreational soccer league..you don't get a participation trophy for just showing up. This is the real world and the real world requires doing something positive..

Stop spewing profanitites at me for your own inability to engage in a cohesive argument and work at eliminating the extremist in your own religion, or just hush, cause that is life.

In America, I can still say fuck you, and call you a douchebag.  God, I love this country.

But you can't do that in Saudi Arabia or other countries where 13th century Islamic law is enforced. Why, because Muslims will not stand up and tell these places that it 2009, not 1009.

You have to clean up your own problems, not me. But your comfortable, safe and free in America, so why do you care. So, just keep sticking your head in the sand. Or somewhere else. But stop lecturing others for having a negative view of Islam when you refuse to do anything to combat the extermism that leads to that negative view.

At this point, I would just call it a day.

Game, Set and Match. Maybe Don Pardo has a parting gift.

311

Game, Set and Match. Maybe Don Pardo has a parting gift.

Well, Mallamutt, for flashoverride, we have a year's supply of Turtle Wax and rice-a-roni, the San Fransico treat. Thanks for playing, flashoverride.

312 As far as I’m concerned, “Allahu Akbar!” means, "I'm going to try to kill you."

313

Well, Mallamutt, for flashoverride, we have a year's supply of Turtle Wax and rice-a-roni, the San Fransico treat. Thanks for playing, flashoverride.

Well, flashoverride, sorry you didn't win, but those are great parting gifts. And no, you do not advance to the tournament of champions. But, again, thanks for playing, it was nice having you here.

314 Uh, no, sorry flashoverride, you are not allowed. Yeah, have a nice day.

315

90 -- good point.

I'll also posit this idea:  certain elements within government do not want to see extremist Islam reined in.  It could prove an excellent method to keep and expand control of the population -- both the Muslim population, through increased numbers becoming radicalized and through intimidation  and marginalization of that segment that does not wish it (I would say that group had better wake up and start becoming very proactive if they wish to stop this -- and even now, it's very late in the game).  Similarly, through allowing attacks to take place, many freedoms can be willingly handed over in return for "safety".  Of course, it's playing with fire and totally ammoral, but nobody ever accused the statists of extreme amounts of foresight, intelligence, or ethics when considering the outcomes of their attempts to reach a cherished goal.

316 In my opinion we need to try, convict, appeal, and execute this POS within 1 year.  Not going to happen but it is what should happen.  He is definitely down for UCMJ 118, Murder and 104, Aiding the Enemy.  What about 94, sedition and mutiny? It looks to me like there has to be at least one other person involved for these to come into play.  Any military lawyers on this well-known mil-blog?

317 You have to clean up your own problems, not me. -- Unfortunately, their problems have had a way of becoming our problems recently.

318

Hey Jane, you can drop the "unknown". You ain't unknown anymore.

I've got such a crush on Jane that, Geezez, I hope that she is a girl.

319

Will the hanging be on live TV?

No, and neither will the firing squad. He will be kept in a max. security prison to keep him safe while he slowly rots away after giving numerous interviews and book signings before being pardoned by DUH Won in 2012.

320 The USMJ provides for lethal injection.

321 David in San Diego-

I linked the piece above, then quoted below.

Do you have some anger issues?

322

I didn't own slaves.  Yet Affirmative Action gives a black man preference over me.  Why am I PROFILED for something I didn't do.  Yet, a MUZZTARD shoots 40 Americans and the first concern is for Muslims.

323

Since somebody hinted at the comparison --

Spanish Inquisition. Lasted 160 years, killed about 2,000 people, viewed very unfavorably by posterity (specifically by Westerners).

9/11. Lasted a couple of hours, killed about 3,000 people, prompted cheering from certain enthusiastic spectators (I won't say whom).

Please, anybody, correct anything that's incorrect.

324

9/11. Lasted a couple of hours, killed about 3,000 people, prompted cheering from certain enthusiastic spectators (I won't say whom).

Please, anybody, correct anything that's incorrect.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 09, 2009 12:27 PM (Vl5GH)

Hmmmm, okay. Shouldn't it be who, not whom? 

325

Anyone taking bets on how long Rifka Bari's (sp?) got to live once she's returned to Ohio?  I have a Pakistani acquaintance who is adamant that this girl is lying and being a typical teenager and that it's not her parents' muslim fanatacism.  We'll see.  Sooner than later, I'd bet.

326 At what point does freedom of “religion”, Islam in this case, cease and sedition begin? Islam isn’t reticent about their stated goal of establishing a caliphate, with the West being subsumed and dominated by it.
It should be plainly evident that we have a true enemy in Islam. One that is cunning and patient, and that will use any means to achieve its’ goal of destroying America, both overt and covert. I wonder when our leaders will acknowledge that fact and begin to treat our enemy accordingly.

327

  Similarly, through allowing attacks to take place, many freedoms can be willingly handed over in return for "safety". -

And that right there is a classic tactic of those who wish to enslave a population. Can you say Reichstag folks? (chances I spelled that wrong - 100-1 for)

328 Spanish Inquisition. Lasted 160 years, killed about 2,000 people, viewed very unfavorably by posterity (specifically by Westerners).

More like 400 years

329 #260, SFC MAC, our Marine brethen do it differently than we do with NCOs. E-6 and up are "sir" to lower NCOs and enlisteds if I remember right. The way he capitalized "Staff NCO" set up a flag he was a jarhead.

330

Actually, whom is correct. Where I erred was by leaving out the preposition from; "I won't say from whom" would have added clarity that "I won't say whom" lacked, where the preposition was implied. Either way, however, the pronoun would be an object of the preposition and would therefore take the objective case.

On the other hand, whom might be incorrect, in which case I would fault one of my personalisty flaws -- namely, that me really like objective-case pronouns.

331 Again I'll say it:

Somewhere in Kenya, a village has lost its idiot.

332 @330 - gawd, I hope they never let loose on my grammer. It would probably take a month on a single one of my posts. Besides, isn't that what secrateries are for?

333 330

Actually, whom is correct. Where I erred was by leaving out the preposition from; "I won't say from whom" would have added clarity that "I won't say whom" lacked, where the preposition was implied. Either way, however, the pronoun would be an object of the preposition and would therefore take the objective case.

On the other hand, whom might be incorrect, in which case I would fault one of my personalisty flaws -- namely, that me really like objective-case pronouns.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 09, 2009 12:45 PM (Vl5GH)

 

LOL

334 Malamutt:  Great smack down!

The reason flashoveride and his ilk do nothing is because they know they will be killed if they do take on the wahabbi/salafists.

Take a look at Nonie Darwish/Wafa Sultan/ Ibn Warrick ad infinitum.   Those that question Islam are marked for death.

End of story.  The moderates are cowards and the extremists are holding them by the hair, with a butcher knife at their throat.  And they all know it.

335 You know, the day before Martin Luther nailed something up, much the same could be said about Christianity.

The problem as I understand it with the Koran (which I have read from cover to cover), is its tautological nature.  In the Muslim world, it is almost universally viewed as, and claims to be, the literal word of god.

This causes thorny apostate problems for anyone who might wish to reform it or tweak the wording a bit.

As a practical matter, the only one who could get away with this is god by delivering another prophet who has the newest "Religion v4.0" (Judaism/Christianity/Islam being the prior v1.0, v2.0, v3.0 releases) update tucked under their arm.

Given the tautological nature of Religion v3.0 though, this next generation of prophet bringing the v4.0 update would be instantly declared apostate and suffer the consequences.

336

End of story.  The moderates are cowards and the extremists are holding them by the hair, with a butcher knife at their throat.  And they all know it.

I'm glad someone got the point.

337

Given the tautological nature of Religion v3.0 though, this next generation of prophet bringing the v4.0 update would be instantly declared apostate and suffer the consequences.

Version 2.0 had the same problem.

338

"Tautological"? "Tautological"?? "Tautological"??? he he he he he

Ahem .., sorry for being so, so, well, so  irreverent. (he he he he)

339 Wouldn't Mormonism be 4.0?

340

If Catholics were still burning heretics today, I would advocate going to war against them as well.

 

Actually, Protestants were just as big into burning heretics as were Catholics.

341

Wouldn't Mormonism be 4.0?

I was going to argue that Christianity would be Religion XP.

342

"Take a look at Nonie Darwish/Wafa Sultan/ Ibn Warrick ad infinitum.   Those that question Islam are marked for death."

And let's not forget Salman Rushdie, aka, Ahmed Salman, aka,  ÓáãÇä ÑÔÏی  as long as we're going to get cuckoo here today, you loony  infidels..

343 I wonder if anyone is checking out how many others in uniform or working for the feds attend  or attended the same Virginia mosque as two Sept. 11 hijackers in 2001.

344

#343, get a roster and deliver them to a convenient backstop.

You forfeit use of several of your Constitutional rights when you are defending it. You have no First Amendment right to back-talk your squad leader, for example. I think your freedom of religion needs a hard looking-at if you are in the armed forces. If we're fighting Muslim extremists, we better make sure you're not one.

345

And let's not forget Salman Rushdie, aka, Ahmed Salman, aka,  ÓáãÇä ÑÔÏی  as long as we're going to get cuckoo here today, you loony  infidels..

And Colin checks in and adds........nothing.

 

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>>End of story.  The moderates are cowards and the extremists are holding >>them by the hair, with a butcher knife at their throat.  And they all know it.

>I'm glad someone got the point.

>Posted by: Mallamutt

I guess we'll have to do the cleanup for them. They ain't going to like the way we do it ... too bad for them. This will hurt them way more than it hurts us.

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