blazer:  we'll get 'em in 2010.  we'll clean out alot of Va's dem congressmen next year.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 07, 2009 10:06 PM (dRlot)

Ted was a raging lefty. Its o.k. to bomb the establishment if your a frothing at the mouth moonbat. Ask Bill Ayres.

So . . . . who are the dems up for re-election in 2010.  I'd like to send a contribution to their opponents right now.

p.s. Loved the V pilot.  The evil aliens encourage "devotion" while promising "universal health care" and giving mankind "hope."  

I wonder if I can be a holiday temp at the Senate reading a few hours a day on Sen Coburn's behalf. 

Too bad they couldn't get a Stupak-esque admendment with regard to illegal immigrants.

I took a break and built a small wood device, the One said it was needed down the street. It was hard getting a 30' oak diving board. It fit nicely in the bus.

Blue Dogs to Walk the Plank?

Man, Pelosi really does look like a raving mad Pirate.

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at November 07, 2009 10:12 PM (MCHyX)

They're voting on the Stupak amendment right now, which bans the public option from providing abortions.

i;ve been singing Paul Ryans praises. I will continue. Here is a video of him on the floor. State/Entitlement vs. Freedom/Independence

Real Reform vs. Power Grab

http://www.tinyurl.com/y9lts5n

this guy is better than most people the Republicans have in the bull pen.

OK I think we all know this is passing the house... So do they have 60 votes in senate? If not, will they use nuke option?

Yep, don't let the people against this crap sammitch say much, C-Span!

OK...it's down to shots of the 'Goose', now, followed by Snickers as a chaser.  If I'm going to puke, it just as well be for something worth it!

Posted by: Dan at November 07, 2009 10:27 PM (KZraB)

It's not a two step. How many of those 64 Dems could we have gotten to vote no without this amendment?

They already have like 35-37, that's only 3-5 more.

Not enough. Cf. Owens.

Hey, you could be right.  It could be that the great Pelosi bluff was a bluff -- they didn't have the votes without this amendment.  Surely NRLC got scared that it would pass anyway.

What they must know is that the so-called pro-life Democrats are liars and are willing to lose their fig leaf on this issue.  The bill's already unpopular, what else would they have to lose?

I think the Dems would have swallowed this poison pill.  If the Republicans had voted present, then the pro-life dems would have pointed to this and argued that it wasn't a big deal anyway -- that would have been their fig leaf.

Maybe you're right, Drew, but there's a pretty decent chance that it wouldn't have mattered, so it's not worth stressing over.

Go Ahead, Make My Day.

The Republicans need to name those blue dogs who said all they needed was a vote for cover and they would still vote for the bill without the ammendment.

Of course that would take some balls and tactical sense. Dammit!

I need alcohol!

Posted by: allswell at November 07, 2009 10:30 PM (WvkPb)

RE: dying in the Senate - you know this for a fact?  I put nothing past them at this point.

The Republicans need to name those blue dogs who said all they needed was a vote for cover and they would still vote for the bill without the ammendment.

Nope.  Not unless you have to.  Let everybody think it was their "blue dog" Congressman who said it.

Nope.  Not unless you have to.  Let everybody think it was their "blue dog" Congressman who said it.

I like that! As long as the Republicans say it loud, clear and often.

 Time to dismantle Washington, stone-by-stone, and start over.  March on it, 3 or 4 or 5 million strong - posted by M

I'm there. Let's pick a date. While we're at it - let's march to:

*Make the census only allocate seats on a per citizen basis

*Force Feds to enforce our immigration laws

*End political correctness where islamofascists are concerned

*Force congress to investigate and out its own like Dodd who have benefitted from corruption while nearly capsizing our economy

Posted by: allswell at November 07, 2009 10:30 PM (WvkPb)"

Sorry but don't trust that line of thinking.  Do you have written guarantees that the bill dies in the Senate?  In this political climate, where lies flow like a river and deceit is the order of the day, you have nothing.  It should die in both the House and the Senate and the WH crew will resurrect it, polish it off, reconcile it for both and still push it through, even if they force everyone to remain in DC and not go on vacation.

From the Obama is a Sociopathic Monster file:

He told lawmakers that the hardships members of the military make for the country "is what sacrifice really is," according to Rep. Robert Andrews, D-N.J., as opposed to "casting a vote that might lose an election for you."

http://tinyurl.com/yl4563c

It's easy to blame "purists" at this late juncture and point the finger of blame in that direction.

But what of the "pragmatists" who've been behind making sure we've had crap to pick from as legislators and POTUS picks for nearly a generation now?

What value is there in the prag pattern that gives us (R)s with no moral center what so ever, who flip flop back and forth across the aile whenever the media seems to beat up a change in the wind? (Looking at you "Maverick").  What value is there to having a party saturated with reps who, more often than not, represent the goals, aims and will of those working to pull this nation down from the inside?

You can pick a single issue to get your panties in a twist over, and lay it all on that (and those of you who've gotten on your knees to suck down and swallow the grotesque bullshit of the eugenics memes do love to lay it all on the "right to life" issue. Never mind that it is the exact same philosophy that got its fullest bloom under Hitler's Nazi Germany), but what of the long term pattern that has, without a doubt, rotted the GOP to the core and rendered it worthless?

Now we have a bill.  I think we did a pretty good job of fighting the air.  They were able to run away from every provision by denying it exists.

There are 2000 pages of stuff to object to.  Time to get cracking.

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at November 07, 2009 10:46 PM (MCHyX)

So Vet - is it your guy that's the one Nay on the current motion? And who is he, what's his deal? Sounds like a total RINO.

134 one delicious thing out of this mess if it passes: it was a democratic bill that did more to restrict abortion than any other moment in the past few decades.

It will be issue #1 for the libs.  They will not like this at all.  The patient ones will hope for a judge to force it, but mostly they won't be able to resist putting it back in.

Posted by: Doc at November 07, 2009 10:56 PM (rzJpR)

yeah and he also just asked on twitter if this was the final vote or the second to final vote so.......

The more I think about it, they will use the nuke option in senate. They have to. They must honor their messiah.

So, someone tell me WHY that asteroid had to miss us last night???

Least it could have done was completely take out D.C.

Some are asserting the Republicans should vote present.  Force the Democrats to defeat the amendment, and kill the bill.

Good strategy--assuming the bill dies.  What if it survives without the anti-abortion language?  Does that give the Dems a talking point, and provides no speed bump with respect to abortion?  Do they just blame the Republicans for no abortion language?  And does the anti-abortion language help or hurt the Senate dems?  I want this bill dead.  But without all the information it is difficult to determine what is the best course.

This is a no win.  Let them vote for the final bill.  And we identify the yes votes, and terminate as many political careers in 2010 as possible. 

And we also fight like hell in the Senate and try to kill this thing for good.  Either way, we get active and try to effect as much change as possible in 2010.

OH please, oh please

So, someone tell me WHY that asteroid had to miss us last night???

Least it could have done was completely take out D.C.

Posted by: drillanwr at November 07, 2009 11:03 PM (1kwr2)

Was UncleFacts practicing his Mojo again?

Clapping motherfuckers.

A state of war exists between the Democratic Party and the American people.

who was the R ?

Crazy fuckers in the Senate too, loppy.

Oh, it's bipartisan now. One Republican yea. Who the hell was that?

Posted by: jas at November 07, 2009 11:08 PM (ZM2Bn)

I vote we start tomorrow.  Start on a full-page ad.  Beck reciting the names daily.  Rush going full bore. Whatever it takes.  Scare the senate shiiteless that they'll be next on the chopping block.

Gau from Louisiana..dead man

...figuratively speaking, of course

Did anyone mention these bastards ran around signing each others copy of the damn bill like some fucking high school year book party??

http://tinyurl.com/yb94n22

the fucker Cao from LA.

New media darling?

Posted by: CDR M

Every damn Repub there should drag the bastard out by the tiny balls and beat the shit out of him on the steps in front of the people protesting there.

Better yet, toss him to the crowd.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 07, 2009 11:13 PM (OYXmQ)

I believe we have a winner.

Posted by: Palandine at November 07, 2009 11:16 PM (+ho3C)

Funny how George Lucas put that stuff in the new trilogy to poke at Bush but really highlights what the Democrats are doing to the United States.

It's time to hoist the black flag.

“If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared”. Niccolo Mahiavelli

motherfuck..i am pissed...we have some real asswipe RINO senators people...let's get to work

Voinovich, Snowe, Collins, Miss Lindsey Graham,etc

Posted by: Shannon

It's their version of "black by one drop" rule, ya know.

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts

I'm ready. My Marine and his boys just got home from The Stan ... they're ready too. Been waiting for this.

Pitchforks and torches time.

Pitchforks and torches.

wtf..

these things should be decided by round robin potato sack races, not votes and parliamentary procedure

Don't you gusy realize how much political captial Obama and the democrats expended to get this bill passed by 3 votes.?  They are going to get their asses cleaned in next year elections and probably won't even have a health care in the end as the Senate is going to kill it or demoratcs will pull the abortion out of reconciliation and that will doom it in the House. .Be positive!!!

320 Sack DC.

p.s. I'm serious

Fuck DC

I'm serious too

Maybe the nutty astrologer guy wasn't all wrong,

In the last couple months I've been goggling astrologer predictions.  Early on, one said that '09 and most of '10 was going to be chaotic but that things would settle down in the latter half of the year.

The most recent one said that those wishing for evil were going to get their way.

Looks like the second one got it right.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties

So far my daughter has been accepted to 4 medical schools for their fall semester next year (one Ivy League. her choice ... yeah, she's THAT good) and has 3 more lined up to interview with. 

Did someone mention puking???

Then end of America as we know it if this crap becomes law. 

Posted by: Def Leppard at November 07, 2009 11:26 PM (hIOnV)

I have faith in my fellow morons in this regard, it's the rest of the friggin country (yes you 52%!!), that will never have the lightbulb come on (probably since its been replaced to go Green).  Hopefully their CFL lightbulbs come on before next November and vote them out.  Those lightbulbs do need a little warm up time!

Thank you for committing suicide House Democrats. 

Now watch the Senate sit on it like they did with cap and tax. 

Suckers.

Let the countdown to a Republican House begin.

337 331 Is there any chance this thing dies in the senate?

I doubt it.  I didn't think this would pass the House.  It's over, Johnny.  IT'S OVER!

no the house tends to be the saner less partisan body.

this will pass the senate without problem.

The most recent one said that those wishing for evil were going to get their way.

Looks like the second one got it right.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 07, 2009 11:27 PM (LKkE

I'm going to take a gander and say that, from my experience, most astrologists are libs, so their definition of evil is likely...me.  So am I going to get my way?  If so, yay.

Posted by: sybilll at November 07, 2009 11:28 PM (x6rHq)

Technically, you do have ball sack but the material was instead used to make your labia while you baking in the oven.

Posted by: sybilll at November 07, 2009

i think I love you

Posted by: beedubya at November 07, 2009 11:28 PM (AnTyA)"

Mine said basically the same thing.  She said she's 36 years old, with $100,000 in student loans (between her and her podiatrist husband) and they aren't about to work for the government. 

The sad part is that there are so many people who actually think things are going to get better now. And for them, it will because they won't have to work or do much of anything as more and more government takes over their lives.

i agree with this sentiment. while my true anger and sadness revolves around the loss of freedom, i can't help but think about all the people who support this bill and honestly think it will improve their healthcare, make things cheaper, make things faster, make things more efficient, etc. They have no concept of what is about to happen to them, and us quite frankly.

I am not saying a i feel bad for them in any way, to the contrary, I would love to say "I told you so" to them, but i will be just as fucked as them.

As I responded to Daybrook, I appreciate the answer but this is horrible strategy. The NRLC should have been adults about this. They are going to save this amendment and ensure final passage. Then it's going to get struck in conference and a chance to kill this will have been lost.

Right now it's passing with 63 Dem votes and 170+ Republican votes.

I really don't agree with this assessment. It was far better to get people on the record with this now. Those 63 Dems, in insisting on and voting for this specific amendment, have all but pledged that they will not vote for any bill without this provision. If any bill comes out of conference without the Stupak amendment those 63 will have to vote against it or virtually guarantee they will lose their seat next year.  It's one thing to renege on a campaign promise, it's much tougher to repudiate your own vote and within on year no less.

If anything at all comes out of the Senate on Health Care, and with a vote this close I highly doubt it at this point, it will look much more like the Republican's substitute than the bill that passed. Probably similar with a provision eliminating the ability of insurers to deny people with preexisting conditions.

Look for a 66% freshman House in 2010.  Look for a number of long-time Senators to fail to be re-elected in 2010.

 Employers may have to upgrade coverage, but that's not quite the same thing as paying for the increases all by themselves.  Make sure that everyone finds out about the new costs that are about to appear in their paycheck.

It's time to do a "Hoffman" in every race in 2010.  Vet everyone. [articularly the party bosses.

Make sure you vote.

My GP doc said he and his partner talked long and hard about this shit and will close up shop if this piece of shit goes into law

Yeah, I'm sure they will let her do that........

you know as well as I do what would happen. The government would levy a tax on doctors who do not practice medicine.

Posted by: Def Leppard at November 07, 2009 11:30 PM (hIOnV)

I forgot to put that line in italics.  It was from a post above.  One of the Moronettes was out at a bar earlier and some whackjob who claimed to be an astrologer was trying to pick up her friend.  Said whackjob went on about this having to happen today and at a late hour.

 Does anyone else feel like we just entered the 2nd Great Depression?

Was thinking more along the lines of the Fourth Reich. 

Or the end of the Third Republic.

 (let's keep these history references going, they are the only thing that made me smile, well that and the Sliders reference someone made, what a great show, am I right people?)

Headline on Drudge "Bill Passes"

just fucking with you, drudge will update his site sometime next week.

Posted by: Rocks at November 07, 2009

(sigh)

I swear if I'm confronted with just one person that is for this POS, I'm going to smack them so hard they'll have to drop their drawers to blow their nose!

BTW I hold no grudge against Cho (R) of LA for voting yee. He waited to insure his vote alone would not mean passage and his constituents heavily favor the bill.

 I agree, I don't blame Gao either, he seems to be a good guy who had to vote this way to maintain his seat which was Jefferson "Cold Cash" Clintons old seat,

however what is 219D+1R?  A bipartisan healthcare bill

Geraldo Rivera may be the biggest douche bag alive.

however what is 219D+1R?  A bipartisan healthcare bill

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2009 11:38 PM (bftbi)

Damn, that's a big bra size.

Under our new medical plan if you're sick by your own hand, i.e. fat, don't eat right, smoke, drink, etc. you won't get medical care, unless you're an illegal alien wanting an abortion and then only by a minority affirmative action medical student who flunked out of med school on Granada and was accepted at Harvard on the Barack Hussein Obama scholarship for dumb fuckers from Chicago.

Oh look the whore is talking, it's very hard for her to speak through those false horse teeth she's wearing.  Oh, she mentioned Larson and Rosa De-ugly from CT.  I'll have to write a letter to my representatives, the pieces of shit.  Larson was my teacher in high school, fucker.

Headline on Drudge "Bill Passes"

just fucking with you, drudge will update his site sometime next week.

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2009 11:36 PM (bftbi)"

Mu lib friend just texted everyone saying the bill is passed.  We said "no it only passed the house" and he said "no, they reversed it like they did that other bill, it passed".  

that can't be correct, right?

I am soooo PISSED!   The next time I get a prepaid envelop from the un-DNC.... I am mailing it back with 5 phonebooks attached, cost them money like never before.

I didnt go to the 9/12 tea party in DC this year, the next one that is there, my entire family is going, ALL democrats who are embarassed to call themselves dems now, and anyone else who love freedom and what America was and IS founded on.

My Texas dem friends are going as well, I just spoke with them, THEY ARE LIVID WITH RAGE!!!!!

Posted by: Shannon at November 07, 2009 11:39 PM (niZOC)

Oh I'm sure the government will pass a law requiring you to have at least one child so that they may replenish the work force.  Must have workers.

Look for a 66% freshman House in 2010.  Look for a number of long-time Senators to fail to be re-elected in 2010.

I say we start with McLame, Grahamnesty and the Maine sisters. 

Our base is motivated, the Dem base is not,

Oh, contraire.  I think this little victory will do a lot to make dems happy.

 I'm from Canada, and I wish more people in America realized that this is a 1776 moment in American history.  Once you get socialized medicine, you are a socialist country, period, end of story, full stop, because the government will use their control over your very life and health to jam through other socialist programs.  And you can never, ever, ever roll socialized medicine back, just as with any other large entitlement backed by angry voters.  SSI, anyone?
This is it, the end game.  Talk all you want about 2010, renewing the Republican party with real conservatives, whatever you want.  Once socialized medicine is in place, Thomas Jefferson as President with the Senate filled with the Founding Fathers couldn't do a damned thing.
If they go nuclear in the Senate with this, the best we can ever hope for in the future is having some minor conservative influence over the new America of Socialist Republics, run by unions and government workers.
The only remote hope I see is secession, but these days with all the economic interconnections, that is probably impossible.
At least I got to enjoy 17 years of freedom from socialism before it caught up with me again. 

I think you mean a 1917 moment. Or a 1949 moment. 

Posted by: Flubber

My apologies to you Flubber.  The US was the last place which to escape Socialism. 

Folks, I have our rallying song..

let's get busy on those squishy RINO senators

Voinovich's offices will be getting a loud, nasty fucking earful come Monday morning

DID BILL OWENS VOTE FOR IT?

Take heart.  We learned a few things.

Polls are against this bill.  VA and NJ showed people do not like the direction of this country.  20,000 people show up in DC on Thursday to protest this bill.

And our representative ignore us.  They pass this bill.  Hence, they don't represent us.

IT IS TIME TO VOTE THIER ASSES OUT IN 2010.

Posted by: t-bone at November 07, 2009 11:42 PM (uHdtr)

Me too brother, me too.  I've served my country for 17 years and god damn it, I want it back.

Now the black criminal is speaking.

to everyone saying "we'll get'em in 2010". You don't seem to get it. That is like the Confederates saying "we'll get'em in 1866" or the Nazi's saying "we'll get'em in 1946". If this passes the Senate IT IS OVER. There is no we'll get'em. It will NEVER be repealed. How many times have the republicans controlled the congress since 1933? Have we gotten rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, The greate society, welfare, etc????? No. The republicans would have to win every seat in both the house and the senate to undo this.

There is no we'll get'em. This is it. If it passes the senate the war is lost.

I am soooo PISSED!   The next time I get a prepaid envelop from the un-DNC.... I am mailing it back with 5 phonebooks attached, cost them money like never before.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 07, 2009 11:40 PM (ACkhT)

loltastic

Garden variety libs a merely too stupid to understand what this bill does.

They don't care.  They think the IDEAL of Universal Health care,  can be achieved by voting for it.

It can't.  The fallout will be epic.

Most libs look at this as simple vote.  Good or Bad.

Who would vote for bad?  Right???

curious, I hate to this but your liberal friend is an idiot. This barely passed the House, the Senate has to pass its version.  Then the 2 bills, VERY different, have to reconciled in conference, VERY difficult, and then this merged bill has to pass the House and the Senate.

House has a public option, Liberman has stated he will filibuster a public option, so lets say something passes the Senate, VERY difficult, it still has to be merged and reconsciled in consference, VERY difficult, as one body wants a public option, and one does not.  And lets say they ramp it thru conference, this new merged bill has to then pass the House and Senate, very difficult.

And now that this crap of a bill has passed, ALL americans will see this shitty bill for what it is, a job killer, my friends own a small business, they are severely struggling, they are pissed beyond words right now at this nonsense!! and btw, they are dems!

Posted by: Anachronda at November 07, 2009 11:35 PM (LD+ZJ)

I refuse to use the actual name since every click on those hosers is a penny to Princess's re-election campaign.  I use Scroogle.org.  It's an overlay but doesn't give those two asshats that own it any revenue.   I've notice other Morons "goggle" too.

BTW I hold no grudge against Cho (R) of LA for voting yee. He waited to insure his vote alone would not mean passage and his constituents heavily favor the bill.

I do.  Libtards have no problem voting against their constituents' wishes if you haven't noticed.  And it's C-A-O.  Don't forget it.  This is war.

Posted by: curious at November 07, 2009 11:37 PM (p302b)

At least I got to enjoy 17 years of freedom from socialism before it caught up with me again.  My thanks to the America that was

I rewatched Reagan's time for choosing speech on the anniversary. In it he tells an anecdote of three men. One who escaped from Cuba telling his story to two americans. One of the americans says "We don't realize how lucky we are". The cuban says," How lucky you are? I had somewhere to flee to".

I really do understand this better now. I am guessing my ancestors, like all of yours fled europe, africa, asia, etc for the freedom and opportunity of America. Now that we are about to end it, where can we go? Where do we escape to?

I do.  Libtards have no problem voting against their constituents' wishes if you haven't noticed.  And it's C-A-O.  Don't forget it.  This is war.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 07, 2009 11:48 PM (LKkE

Rushbabe is right.  Democrats NEVER fear shittin' on their constituents wishes because they know TIME AFTER TIME democrats ALWAYS vote for the D on the ballot, no matter who is on the ballot.  Obama could've been a R and they would've voted AGAINST him.

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2009 11:51 PM (bftbi)

The States that stand up for their 10th Amendment rights and tell the Federal Government to fuck off.

Posted by: sybilll at November 07, 2009 11:28 PM (x6rHq)

Technically, you do have ball sack but the material was instead used to make your labia while you baking in the oven.

Posted by: CDR M

Knock that shit off. You 2 are turning me on.

We're All Soviets now. Time for suffering and pain and dark poetry ... aaaand VODKA! LOTS OF WADKA, COMRADES!!!  AND V.D.! Da!

Thinking of entering a cryogenic state for the rest of the milennium.  Of course, looking at the descent of humanity, I'll probably wind up as a TV dinner for the Eloi. 

I think Soros had it on the calendar to sell short Monday.

AAHHHHH fuck my stock portfolio. another reason to feel like shit.

Have Republicans figured it out yet?  If you compromise with a Democrat, you get a hot poker rammed up your ass and no thank you note.

To negotiate with a LIBTARD is beyond moronic.  Fight or die,
Unless you just like the job and it's perks.

Okay..without having to drill down...which repub insured some "at risk" dem was safe in the next election by voting 'yes'?

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2009 11:51 PM (bftbi)

The States that stand up for their 10th Amendment rights and tell the Federal Government to fuck off.

Fine, I'll meet you all at the rallying point, Texas.

The signal will be, "The Chair is Against the Wall"

The HUGE problem here isn't just that we're halfway down the path to socialism... it's that we're halfway down the path to socialism with an $11.9 TRILLION dollar deficit hanging around our necks. This is much different - and much worse - than any European socialist country. America has 300 million people to drag this socialist system down the drain. Not only that, but the Manchurian candidate in the White House has over three more years to destroy our economy along with the country. America is a sinking ship, and since we were the last truly free, capitalist country on the planet, now there is no other place to go.

You are on the toll Road to Sefdom, you just passed Chapter 6.

I live in downtown Chicago. I mean RIGHT downtown. Do you realize the hell that is? LOL

If it wasnt for the great building I live in and family in Chicago area, I would be out of here!

Anyone seen a list yet of the donkeys that voted "nay"?

You are on the toll Road to Sefdom, you just passed Chapter 6.

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2009 11:58 PM (bftbi)

How many chapters are left?  I'm trying to pace myself.

 Our country is in danger, but not to be despaired of. Our enemies are numerous and powerful; but we have many friends, determining to be free, and heaven and earth will aid the resolution. On you depend the fortunes of America. You are to decide the important question, on which rest the happiness and liberty of millions yet unborn. Act worthy of yourselves.
--Joseph Warren, Boston Massacre Oration, 1775

We can take the bastards. Let them gloat.  They'll all be looking for jobs in 2010.

OMG Pelsoi gloating is almost too much to bear!  I thought "Mad Cow" was fatal?

I am "starving the pig".  I am not buying any shit, nothing this year for christmas.  I used to participate in this nonsense, let the unemployment go tto 15%... hell let it go to 20%, I want the fucking commies to get all the blame for this!  These people aren't democrats, they are communists and marxists!

They are deliberately destroying the economy!!

I was thinking of buying a new truck for christmas, NOT happening, I am not playing or participateing this any of this govt run $shit.  I want November 2010 to come, with  unemployment at 15%, and I want every fucking undemocrat/communist voted out! And I am a ex-democrat! These people aren;t American, they are america-hating commies/marxists!

Posted by: beedubya at November 08, 2009 12:01 AM (AnTyA)

Oh I'm channeling it.  I'm learning things that may come to good use in a few years or so.

You are on the toll Road to Sefdom, you just passed Chapter 6.

Posted by: Ben at November 07, 2009 11:58 PM (bftbi)

How many chapters are left?  I'm trying to pace myself.

Seven is Economic Control and Totalitarianism.

Posted by: Mr. Pissed at November 07, 2009 11:50 PM (EL+OC)

Dear Mr. Pissed, I like the cut of your jib and would like a lifetime subscription to your newsletter.

Posted by: Sofia at November 07, 2009 11:51 PM (jMcgl)

Thank you, sincerely, Sofia.  Only three percent of the colonists were willing to fight for this country at its birth, and if they could do it, we can do it.

Beck's back this week.  Look out.  He was supposed to drop another bombshell last Friday but was out sick.  I believe it was around the second week of October that he said we were five weeks away from fundamentally changing our country -- to what the Founders intended.

Hmmm, being called a tinfoil hatter for wanting to know if Princess Toonces was even eligible to preside over this douchebaggery doesn't seem so stupid now, does it?  I'd take any reason to get the manchild removed.

 So if this passes the Senate, and we take control of Congress in 2010, and we get a Republican pres in 2012, how possible is it that we can reverse this? Does anyone know?

Yeah, like we reverese Social Security, Medicare, The Great Society....

See my post at 443. This is it.

To quote a great philosopher, "Game over man."

Posted by: MDr at November 08, 2009 12:02 AM (ucq49)

I need to get Military Pilot Exchange program orders there and then not come back.

Posted by: Vet Missing Parts at November 08, 2009 12:02 AM (MCHyX)"

*waves at the new neighbor.  Sorry about the idiot libs on the eastern side of our state.  The stench that blows into central Illinois from Harkin Harpies has to be pretty bad some days.  ...and I ain't talkin' hog farmin'. 

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

Speaking of which, anyone with an eye on MSNBC's coverage of this? Were Matthers, Olbermann, and Madcow wall to wall?  Any nutshell report on their on air tingles and wet boxers?

To quote a great philosopher, "Game over man."

Posted by: Ben at November 08, 2009 12:04 AM (bftbi)

I believe this same philosopher also said "Why don't you put HER in charge?"  Could he have forseen Palin?

I'm actually worried about my job. I don't think we can afford to this at the small business I work for. Especially on account of those fines if you don't cover everyone, even those who don't want it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 08, 2009 12:03 AM (OkT2m)"

Really, we must be neighbors! 

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at November 08, 2009 12:03 AM (OYXmQ)"

Come on, this is like a bad screen play, you can't make this stuff up.

Beck was on hsi show I think on Thursday, said he wasn't feeling well, they went to commercial and came back with two other guys saying he went to the doctor.  That night the judge took over his show and announced he had surgery to remove his appendix.

Australia is probably the world's last hope now.  Infortunately it's tougher than hell to get into.

yeah, and china is going to eat her alive when our umbrella collapses.

@519 Miss80sBaby...

I'm casting my vote for Perry for President of the Republic of Texas too.

These people aren't American, they are america-hating commies/marxists!

Who told you the plan?

Wow Sofia, you and I were thinking the same thing at the exact same time. Where are you from?

Portugal, heh. We just stare at the US right from the other side of the Atlantic. I think it's envy,

I've been a loooong time lurker, but I just can't believe socialism found a way to creep into your country. It's our fault really, we should have killed it here already!

I'm sorry

Oddly enough, this gave me a small bit of comfort.  Not sure why.  Maybe because we WERE looked upon as the last bastion of hope, alas with envy.  TY Sofia & Ben. 

I hope it doesn't take 10,000 *Neda's* to right this wrong. 

Yes, you are right, but I'll tell you this: we have so much shit going on here right now that we won't even notice that day coming. And most Euro's are such peace loving hippies they will not even fight. They'll happily be run by Russians. "Can't be worse than Brussels" they'll say, I'm sure.

Honestly things are so bad in terms of employment, social security (broke is not even the word), education, corruption is in all time high, that me and my husband are considering leaving.
Not very sure to where, but I always wanted to see Texas, hehe.

That's it, I'm headed to the Wardrobe closet. Narnia is still free.

What botox woman doesn't understand is this has now begun the destruction of the "democratic" party.  Most Americans do NOT want this shit, and wait until they hear the jail sentence they will have to do for not buying something they may on want to buy.

its 55% of american agn this shitty bill, according to rass poll, and that number if going to go up even more once the details of this bill get exposed, and OH YES, they will, they can't hide behind "oh I meant HR 8907 not 8906", they have voted for this piece of shit not having read it, and not knowing what shit was in it.

As for Rick Perry, where can I contribute to his campaign? I want states to stand up to this fucking nonsense!

When Republicans were in power, they rammed NOTHING down Democrats throats.  The Democrats/Libtards have no decency and honor.   I was once a Democrat until I found out how emotionally disturbed most of the Democrat party was.  Seriously.  Pelosi and Hoyer are about power and perpetual loser classes that need the HELP of Democrats to survive.  Your every day garden variety libtard believes that UNIVERSAL LOVE should be the next bill rammed through.   Yet the don't love those who disagree with them.  Libtards just voted on a monstrosity that doesn't give the poor and needy anything they didn't already have.  This country cannot absorb any more taxes on the PRODUCTIVE.  The money that the "rich" has confiscatred decreases the INVESTMENT into the economy and the expansion of jobs and oppurtunity.

Liberals don't care or they don't have any rudimentary concept of how TAXES and JOBS come to be.  The Kennedy, Reagan, G.W.Bush across the board INCOME TAX CUTS, made the TREASURY REVENUES EXPLODE.

The concept is simple, but LIBTARDS, demogogue it.  The lie about it and the use the facts dishonestly as a CLASS WARFARE wedge.

When those who SUPPLY JOBS and OPPURTUNITY......DO WELL.

So do those who need jobs.

The CLIFFS/LIBTARD NOTES version.    Don't shit on MOMMY and DADDY, they feed you.

Posted by: Sofia at November 08, 2009 12:07 AM (jMcgl)

I think your biggest problem has to do with Muslim immigrants and how they are "peacefully" taking over some of the larger cities in smaller countries and even the second and third largest cities in the larger European countries.  It's like a Muslim version of the Democratic party.  I would probably prefer a straight up fight with Putin versus rotting from within.

at least drudge finally updated with the news.

no i am still fucking with you, try back sometime on monday. honestly what happened to the best news portal on teh web?

522-I'm drinking Costintino Merlot which I was saving for hard times and listening to "Can You Hear the People Sing" from Les Mis and lurking here with friends so I don't totally freak about this.

  What do you want to bet lots of people who were out at ball games or food shopping having a normal weekend are waking up Sunday morning shocked that their country has slipped a little further down a rat hole tonight?

es, you are right, but I'll tell you this: we have so much shit going on here right now that we won't even notice that day coming. And most Euro's are such peace loving hippies they will not even fight. They'll happily be run by Russians. "Can't be worse than Brussels" they'll say, I'm sure.

Honestly things are so bad in terms of employment, social security (broke is not even the word), education, corruption is in all time high, that me and my husband are considering leaving.
Not very sure to where, but I always wanted to see Texas, hehe.

didn't those green jobs pan out in Spain? Don't your neighbors have 23 percent funemployment?

It looks like the wealthy in portugal will have to build higher walls

I'm drinking Costintino Merlot which I was saving for hard times and listening to "Can You Hear the People Sing" from Les Mis and lurking here with friends so I don't totally freak about this.

how did that whole revolution turn out for the people in Les Miserables?

Honestly things are so bad in terms of employment, social security (broke is not even the word), education, corruption is in all time high, that me and my husband are considering leaving.
Not very sure to where, but I always wanted to see Texas, hehe.

Shoot, Sofia, you were doing great until you mentioned you were married. Most morons were probably getting an Eastern European mail order bride hard on until you mentioned your hubby.

Seriously, nice to see Eastern Europe representin' on AOSHQ.

@519 Miss80sBaby...

I'm casting my vote for Perry for President of the Republic of Texas too.

Posted by: Conservative1st/TxSecessionist

Texas and Alaska, and maybe Oklahoma and Wyoming. Got the steaks and the oil/gas covered. Might take the next 3 years but I think we can jump off from those (former) states and take back the rest of the country.

Australia is probably the world's last hope now.  Infortunately it's tougher than hell to get into.

It's virtually impossible. Me, my hubbie and some friends were set on going and started to get the paperwork...alas the bureaucracy and the approved jobs list is beyond our capabilities now.

And America as always been my first option. Even now. But if we decided to go we need to have all in order. It's always a big change but I'm so fed up with how things have been going here...

Socialists ruined our country and people still voted for them. This time I was appalled...it's really bad.

Posted by: Salem at November 08, 2009 12:14 AM (86rbG)

Breitbart went on to do his own thing, that's what.

Anachronda.   McCain and Feingold (my Senator and a complete waste of Sperm) created this MAVERICK CAMPAIGN FINANCE BILL,

Obama spent $800 MILLION campaign dollars after promising to take "federal matching funds" and lying to you, me and all libtards.

That doesn't count the special interests UNIONS and the free SLOBBERING ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, etc etc FAWNING FELATIO,

There is no campaign finance reform.  There is no Universal Health Care.

Liberals cannot fix a leaky faucet never mind a real problem.

Obama WAITED and let SOLDIERS DIE.  Until Pelosi passed the House's bill.   Obama should be ....

I am not only mad a healthcare bill passed. I knew something titled "healthcare" would pass even if it was a blank piece of paper, that was inevitable. The won invested too much capital to come away with nothing.

I am really pissed THIS version passed. The most recent version was the craziest, worst and more freedom destroying of them all.

All this talk is just that talk. Everyone says we will vote them out of office in 2010, dose anyone seriously think that there will be a fair vote?

People on our side need to standup and strike. We need to have a general strike to get these people's attention. I would like to see all the Doctors that are going to quit all just annouce that fact right before the Senate vote. We nned to have all these Doctors start calling their patients and informing them of this fact. The Doctors need to march on Washington. Let people see that the Docotors are against this.

We need to really get nasty about this crap and we need to do it fast. We need to let any Senator that votes for this that we aren't just going to vote them out of office. We need to let them know that they will be physically punished for a yes vote. Thet need to be frightened for their very well being over this.

Posted by: Salem

And I thought I was the only one noticing the major slippage.

to everyone saying "we'll get'em in 2010". You don't seem to get it. That is like the Confederates saying "we'll get'em in 1866" or the Nazi's saying "we'll get'em in 1946". If this passes the Senate IT IS OVER. There is no we'll get'em. It will NEVER be repealed. How many times have the republicans controlled the congress since 1933? Have we gotten rid of Social Security, Medicare, Medicade, The greate society, welfare, etc????? No. The republicans would have to win every seat in both the house and the senate to undo this.

There is no we'll get'em. This is it. If it passes the senate the war is lost.

The dem controlled senate will find a way to pass this, hook or crook.  They know their time is short.  You're right, though.  Once this passes, the wonderful country that most of us knew will be gone.  Their will be no going back and the statists well know it.  The only recourse that I see now is pushing our state governments to declare a 10th Ammendment crisis or suscede from Washington, D.C.  I'm starting to cry for this once good and great nation.  The sad part of all is that so many people have absolutely no idea what's going on tonight.  And saddest part is that they don't care. 

When Republicans were in power, they rammed NOTHING down Democrats throats. 

Even more, the moron GOP allowed that ridiculous empathetically-talented imbecile, Sotomayor ("Spanish doesn't have adjectives") to sail right out of committee and onto the SCOTUS.  The GOP never understood what is at stake or how evil the left is.  They just don't get it.

The Democrats/Libtards have no decency and honor.  

Dems hold anyone who does have decency and honor in contempt.  Dems are very much like the jihadi terrorists they adore.  Birds of a feather.

Liberals don't care or they don't have any rudimentary concept of how TAXES and JOBS come to be.  The Kennedy, Reagan, G.W.Bush across the board INCOME TAX CUTS, made the TREASURY REVENUES EXPLODE.

Liberals (the best of them) are staticists who imagine a world that never changes.  They can only envision what is around now and they assume that it will always be this way.  That is why they are always looking to take someone else's wealth, because they don't understand the creation of wealth, and that is why they constantly try to centralize everything, because the management of static systems are very easily centralized.  But it is growth and dynamics that dashes all liberal dreams on the rocks, though the libs never learn from that, because every day that they wake up, they imagine that the world will remain as it is on that day.

Those are the best of the libs; the rest are retarded, sinister, useful idiots who are nothing but a fatal disease for any society unlucky enough to be infested with enough of them.

Here's where we're going to wish Byrd was in the Senate.

The Pubs & Lieberman are going to screw the pooch in the Senate too.  The nuclear option can only be invoked once the bill has been brought to the floor.  It still takes 60 votes to get it to the floor.  Unless the Dims can pull some unknown "new" treachery out of their asses.  I believe Byrd would sucessfully fight off any "new" plots.  The man does know archaic rules like no one else.

OT, and not up on Drudge yet.

According to Hotair and the UK's Daily Telegraph, guess who the Fort Hood shooter went to mosque with back in Virginia? Yup---at last 2 of the 9-11 hijackers.

But we'll never really know if this had anything to do with religion

Hey we can save this country if we all vote for Republicans next time.

Fucking NOT

Also, to all of you who think Lieberman will turn on this bill your nuts. He will get what he wants added to the bill then will vote for it.

Also keep in mind it requires 41 senators. Let's assume Joe does join the republicans, do any of you, ANY OF YOU, think that there aren't a handful of republicans who just "want to pass a bill".

It is over

Great post Ben.

I told everyone I knew the same thing.

I also told people for 2 months that Hussein the nearly real President, would not make the easy SOFTBALL decision on Afghanistan until the bill was passed, so as not to piss off the fence sitters.

Obama allowed American Soldiers to die, for political purposes unrelated to the war.

Obama is a fucking pig.

yeah, and china is going to eat her alive when our umbrella collapses."

Don't know about Australia but Taiwan's pretty much toast.

Look at happened wioth t Rio Tino deal between China and Austrialia. China needs resources, Austrialia has them, and they are close.

China wants Taiwain for ideological and historical reasons. China wants Austrialia for economic ones. Its the same reason Japan tried to invade during the Second World War.

Austrailia is a vital part of any future "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere"

Posted by: kbdabear

You never saw "Escape From New York"?

It's why they never spent the money on the Mexico border fence.  Saving for walling-up a big failing filthy city for dumping deadbeat non-insured into.

When Anh Quang Cao was running for a seat in the House Of Representatives  last year, his background and my every instinct told me that he was a sneaky and sleazy, extremely liberal, Louisiana Democrat masquerading as a Republican, and his vote tonight for that Healthcare Package affirmed my suspicions.

I suspect that the [only] reason why that Cao ran as a Republican, instead of as a Democrat, was because Democrats didn't want to offend the black caucus and Representative Jefferson in particular by running another Democrat against Jefferson, who was under indictment.

Anh "Joseph" Cao will make Arlen Spector look like a hardcore conservative. I won't be surprised if Cao is a Communist .

#578

You're a fucking sock Dede.  You're banned.

this thing has along way to go yet.  it is true though that if it becomes law it is here to stay.  to repeal, it would have to pass and then override a presidential veto of the repeal.  That means 290 reps and 67 senators.  even if repubs generally landslide every election, thats like 6 years (or never) to get that many repub senators.

and that would assume all 290 house and 67 senators were commited to repealing it. Once something this big is law it is there until the world ends or the government does.

(from declaration of independence)

"But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.

"For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:"

--just replace "king of great britain" with the commies/marxists aka democrats now. 

Posted by: tdpwells at November 08, 2009 12:06 AM (Ei3oZ)

Yeah, Beck talked about his Harlem trip with Charles Payne airing Friday, but on the radio show a couple weeks ago he was mocking a piece the Atlantic had done on him.  He got to a part in the article that said, "It makes you wonder what he's going to do next." 

Beck gleefully continued saying, "Oh, you have no idea.  You will never see it coming in a million years." (or something to that effect)

As for the Harlem trip, I'm wondering if it's not about engaging disaffected blacks (I hear there are lots actually) to the conservative side.  He mentioned the older Harlem guy who tapped him on the shoulder and told Beck he agreed w/everything he says.  Beck said everyone's overlooking a powerful voting bloc, too.  I'm thinking it's either going to be moms (b/c of the massive popularity of the new conservative "As a Mom" site or conservative blacks. 

Also, at Thursday's rally one of the speakers (Joe Wilson?) said to keep fighting no matter what since dems expected this monstrosity to be signed before July but here we were.  He pointed out that Nancy Pelosi never really counted on 20,000 people showing up in November in Washington, D.C.  I have a feeling the next rally will be a tad larger.

Okay, I guess people are mostly just venting. That's understandable. It's no substitute for having a sense of humor, though.

I am laughing at some stuff.

I am taking the advice form the first Batman move, "If you gotta go, go with a smile." unfortunately we are "going" in every sense of the word.

459 If the Senate passes a bill that is even remotely like the House bill that passed tonight, we are truly doomed to live our lives like those in Great Britain. 

Worse.  We have lawyers.

We should pass Universal Legal Care and see how the lawyers like it.

To quote a great philosopher, "Game over man."

Maybe not.  I don't think congress has the stones to imprison (my guess) 2 million Americans for massive non-compliance. 

It doesn't have to imprison us. We will be in a prison without bars. They will be able to withold things from us in lieu of putting us in a cell.

If they control all hospitals and medicine, which while not in this bill, but eventually coming. They can withhold treatment for those deemed non compliant. They can put liens on our homes, paychecks, retirement funds etc.

We will be imprisoned, just without bars.

Posted by: tdpwells

You guys hiring???

Posted by: Sekhmet at November 08, 2009 12:13 AM (t7fcE)

Nope, that wasn't me.  I'm too old for the bar scene.  That was another moronette in the upper threads whose friend was approached by the astrologer.  BTW, what school does one attend to become an astrologer-in-training?  And what does he say about Toonces and the rest of that wretched lot's fate?

Cuba..

Cuba is the country to run to..   By that time, it will had it's revolution and be a free country again.. 


Well, here's hoping

God does tend to have a sense of humor. That would be the most ironic thing to happen in my lifetime.

Posted by: Secundus

"It's the only way to be sure" -  (See: ALIENS)

Pretty pink.  Therein lies the problem.   What the FUCK does a PHD know about reality?

It's EXACTLY the same as GLOBAL WARMING MODELS, they are created by people who live in a THEORETICAL world.   Professors and insulated highly paid UNION  teachers and educrats believe NONSENSE.

It reminds of the BISHOP in CADDY SHACK.

"Theoretically, I could break the course record."

I have a PHD sister.   Never held a job.

I delivered newpapers at five thirty am.   I cut grass and shoveled snow. I caddied at the local country club.  I washed dishes.  I worked the 6 til Midnight shift at the Convenience store.  I cooked, I cheffed,  I barteneded.

It's called the REAL WORLD.  Most of the jobs I did as a young man, were relatively unskilled.  Libtards don't want to do those jobs.  They certainly think that those jobs are beneath the COMPLETE FUCK UP/LOSERS that LIBTARDS represent.

I've earned every dollar I've gotten.   Try it sometime LIBTARDS.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 08, 2009 12:19 AM (P33XN)

No problem, it happens here too...sort of..

Not a joke, people see a blond on the street they assume she's Polish or from the Ukraine. Dear God..

I'm sorry and I wish I could hook you guys up with some mail order brides from Portugal but I'm not sure you'd be very happy with what we have here...Central and Southern Euro women are a bit on the b*tch side...hahaha.

The State Of The Union, folks:

http://tinyurl.com/yk78xuz

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 08, 2009 12:36 AM (TRUzq)

An honest media that is not shilling for the feral government?  How quaint.  I remember those days ...

Hey, the Cao dude released a statement about his vote:

http://news.bnonews.com/mz7i

Cuba is the country to run to..   By that time, it will had it's revolution and be a free country again.. 


Well, here's hoping..

Or Honduras.  They've shown more of a sense of constitutional law than the U.S. has.

Drill-

You are my morning go-to site

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 08, 2009 12:36 AM (TRUzq)

Like all those stories about how over a million people descended on  DC on Sept. 12 for that big protest rally..   it was all over the news...    wasn't it? 

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The media will ignore it for as long as they can..   until they are bailed out then they can only report on stories with 'conditions'.

"The Public Option will not make it out of the Senate. No prisons, no fines, no health czar, that crap is dead as a door nail. "

Not the problem.  They can be added in conference.  Hence, no bill must pass the Senate now.

Posted by: Trollivore at November 08, 2009 12:29 AM (gfKNa)

Drill-

You are my morning go-to site

Posted by: Hvy Mtl Hntr

I like morning sex too, hun.

We will be imprisoned, just without bars."

Only the cowards will be imprisoned without bars.
For the rest of us, there will be bars.

I like the cut of your jib.

Hey, the Cao dude released a statement about his vote:

What a steaming pile of horse manure.  Cao's constituents are already on Medicare and Medicaid.  Before he was elected he was an immigration lawyer.  What did anyone expect?

I say flood the system until the hacks have a nervous breakdown and beg for mercy

I have no problem executing that plan.  This crib is paid off right now.  I'll just mortgage it to the hilt, turn that cash and all other assets into highly portable/liquid untraceable forms (gold, proof sets, rare coins, bearer bonds, etc) suitable for "midnight gardening" in a remote location and wait for them to come and arrest me.

Q: Where did all your shit go?
A: I lost it all gambling at the casino since I knew you were going to send me to prison.

That's not a bad plan.

Not the problem.  They can be added in conference.  Hence, no bill must pass the Senate now.

Posted by: MDr at November 08, 2009 12:44 AM (ucq49)

The conference committee reports can be filibustered. They will need 60 to vote on  the confernce bill just the same as the senate bill.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 08, 2009 12:46 AM (AZGON)

Already anticipating Monday night's Factor, eh? 

As Rush says:  Bill O'Reilly = Ted Baxter

Hey, the Cao dude released a statement about his vote:

What a steaming pile of horse manure.  Cao's constituents are already on Medicare and Medicaid.  Before he was elected he was an immigration lawyer.  What did anyone expect?

Posted by: RushBabe

So, what you're saying is those "school busses" STILL won't get used if their lives depended on it.

A repeal is slightly less unlikely than the SCOTUS declaring it unconstitutional. I think we need to start thinking about secession.

we will need ports, natural resources, access to drinking water, and defendable land.  Plans?

The LIBTARD part that makes me projectile vomit the most is when LIBTARDS make the case that people are being "BANKRUPTED" because of these CATASTROPHIC HEALTH PROBLEMS/BILLS/DECISIONS.

Yep,  That is what BANKRUPTCY was INVENTED FOR.

Not for your LIBTARD MAXXED OUT CAPITAL ONE,  credit cards,

IF, IF, IF, A catastrophic health care situation bankrupts you..

Thank the FUCKING U.S. TAXPAYER and the CREDITOR.

That blurry image on page 2,356 of the health care bill is actually a picture of my ass.

How's my old wrinkled ass taste, bitches?

Except the prisoners still have guns.  Let's not rule out our final recourse.

ok, i'm gonna go eat whats left of the halloween candy with a glass of wine, curl up into the fetal position and repeat to myself, "I'm not here. This isn't happening."

Night everyone, gotta hit the sack before the clocks strike 13.

That's not a bad plan.

Posted by: Ben at November 08, 2009 12:48 AM (bftbi)

Ditto.

660 -- They'd ask why you never filed a police report.  Start thinking of places to hide everything.  Everyone buries stuff close to their house.  I can just see ACORN in my back yard with metal detectors now, like it was a G-D beach or something.  Think outside the box.  Toonces's Brown Shirts won't be too bright, so it shouldn't be too hard.  Somewhere in plain view but camo'd sounds good.

"The conference committee reports can be filibustered. They will need 60 to vote on  the confernce bill just the same as the senate bill."

I could very well be wrong, but I believe the nuclear option will also take care of that messy 60 vote requirement.

I really do think Byrd is the only one who can save the Republic.  He believes so deeply in the tradition and integrity of the Senate, that I honestly can't see him wanting any dishonorable acts occurring on his watch. 

2010

The year we dump them all out.

My trust in the GOP has been betrayed. They voted for this POS bill with the individual mandate with fines and imprisonment as "incentives" for signing up for Government Health Care.

Time to burn draft cards and fire every last idiot who voted to pass this.

.

Wake up Republicans.

It isn't just a coincidence that in Louisiana a liberal  Democrat named Cao ran as a Republican and in New York another liberal Democrat named Scuzzyfava ran as a Republican and a RINO named John McCain was the Republican Party's presidential candidate. Until some kind of committee is established to screen Republican candidates for legitimate conservative credentials, it will continue to be a win/win theft of elections by liberal Democrats; i.e., they'll keep getting Democrats to masquerade as Republicans in elections.

This Healthcare Bill is insideous in ways that few people realize. It entices people to become Democrats and to shun the Republican Party, and, in fact, it gives them deceptive, financial incentives to do so. Even extremely wealthy people will now have incentives to become Democrats, which will further empower those Democrats who would impose a socialist dictatorship on us.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 08, 2009 12:57 AM (TRUzq)

Bingo.  Barry's objective realized.

MacTavish.  I am half Scot.  I lived in Scotland, and I have spent more of my DISPOSABLE time in Scotland, than Opie Hussein Soetoro has ever spent in INDONESIA.

You are correct.  Our current come-of-age-generation has been PROPAGANDIZED by the LIBTARD EDUCRAT CONGLOMERATE with.  Gay positive propaganda.  Muslim positive propaganda.  Christopher Columbus is a racist, disease spreading, murdering, invading, Republican propaganda. The LIBTARD LEFT has infiltrated nearly all of our heretofore patriotic American INSTITUTIONS.

Journalism schools are LIBERAL.  Their spawn was and is LIBERAL.

Law schoools are LIBERALS.  Judges are Lawyers,

Do the math.

Posted by: momma at November 08, 2009 01:01 AM (penCf)

You're right, momma.  No one would ever look there. 

*shudders*

I believe Texas has all of these things.

"he just got a golden parachute."

And give America a golden shower

Chuck Norris is on Fuckabee's pretend Conservative show,

His dyed hair is the complete NON-STARTER.

Is this the best we've got?  Fuckabee and Chuck Norris? 

HUCKABEE and CHUCK NORRIS are STATE FAIR QUALITY.

"I believe Texas has all of these things."

And much more.  Export more food than we need.  And what could be best - Texas has its own, not Fed, electrical grid that connects East & West coasts.  Another not small item - the West depends upon the electricity we generate; not always, but enough to put them into perpetual brown & black outs.

Those who went to PRINCETON and to HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, despite being of...AVERAGE I.Q. or intellect, And who are still not ASTUTE, or SMART ENOUGH  to realize that SHE/they were given an oppurtunity that was not achieved, MAY WELL BELIEVE, that...

AMERICA IS A DOWN RIGHT MEAN PLACE....or that.

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY ADULT LIFE, I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY.

The Obama's are  PAT ON THE HEAD, WE LOVE BLACK PEOPLE, PANDERED TO..........................LOSERS.

Without AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, these 2 losers couldn't manage a Pizza Hut.

698-

 I agree- in my experience the European countries already have a pretty well established "black money" system to combat the confiscatory taxes placed on individuals by government.

Without AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, these 2 losers couldn't manage a Pizza Hut.

I'll bet real money they could rob one.

On the other hand, Barry probably doesn't know the business end of a pistol from his bunghole.

I believe Texas has all of these things.

If Texas sucedes, then Oklahoma probably will too.  There'll be enough natural gas and oil for our energy needs until we assure the sea lanes to stay open so that we can start getting oil from Alaska.  Plus, OK is a big wheat and cattle producing state.

Wake up Republicans.

It isn't just a coincidence that in Louisiana a liberal  Democrat named Cao ran as a Republican and in New York another liberal Democrat named Scuzzyfava ran as a Republican ...

Posted by: Colin

Why do I get the urge for a fine Chianti when I hear/see her name?

 Plus, OK is a big wheat and cattle producing state.

I loves me some rib-eye steak and fresh-baked bread !

"There'll be enough natural gas and oil for our energy needs until we assure the sea lanes to stay open so that we can start getting oil from Alaska.  Plus, OK is a big wheat and cattle producing state."

Texas alone has more than enough oil & gas.  I believe it's still true today, although they may not all grow up there, 90% of all cattle are still born in TX.  Don't forget that much needed refining capacity.

Interesting that you should mention OK.  Every so often I receive an email about how TX could cede.  About two months ago I got one that included OK, LA, and AR.  It was astounding what those four states could bring to the party.

Given that the health-care bill written by Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus contains a $1,900 fee (or excise tax) for not buying health insurance, Ensign wanted to know what would happen if an American didn't pay the penalty.

Posted by: Derak

Know what ... You're onto something here. I happen to know several docs and nurses that do not agree with this shit.

People laughed (including myself) when someone would yell "The south will rise again".   I'm not laughing anymore. 

"2. Louisiana gives us Fort Polk, and control of the Mississippi delta.  For what that's worth."

LA also provides a butt load of oil, gas, and better - refining capacity.

Between TX & LA you may be looking at almost 40% of the USA's refining capacity.

I'm left to figure out another strategy.

HUCKABEE is on FOX.

HUCKABEE is a nice guy, hard taxing, re-invented Conservative..,..WANT TO BE.

Huckabee is USELESS to what we are facing.  HUCKABEE is not a LEADER. HUCKABEE is not  a Conservative.

We as PATRIOTIC/CONSERVATIVE Americans...JUST GOT SHIT ON.  WE JUST GOT PISSED IN OUR FACE.

HUCKABEE IS OUR PROTECTOR?  FUCK THAT.

They better hurry because I am going to be sick.

I fundamentally beleive this will banrkrupt our country and destroy the best healthcare system in the world.

TX secceding won't be as easy as in days gone by.  Native Texans have been greatly diluted by immigration, by those with a lesser love for freedom and independence.

70s - influx from the Rust Belt

80s - influx from the East coast

90s thru today - a tsunami of undocumented Democrats from Mexico.

Posted by: Derak

Waking nightmares usually are the worst.

Secundus

I use to work in the oil patch as a sprout.  Use to ship out from Dulac.

Absolutely agree.  We need to re-found our nation no matter what the price we have to pay.  I'd rather die fighting for freedom than die whimpering under tyranny.

That's five years in a federal pound you in the ass prison.

You want to go? Fine. I'll have your accommodations amongst the sodomites ready for you.

There is no way Glenn Beck is the pawn in all of this.  It doesn't make sense at all.

I certainly don't take what Beck says and then think well that's ok, it's not too bad, we'll be ok with big daddy government taking care of us.   No way.

The Israeli strike on Iran, and its monetary jolt, will probably put a kink into the "slow decline" theory. Things are going to move quickly one way or the other, I think.

"Have you ever wondered what getting pissed on felt like"

Actually, I feel more like I was pinned to the ground, drawn, my mouth forced open, and shat right down my esophagus & trachea.

But there's many more who listen to him now than did six months ago.  All because the statist media can't stop talking about him.  (Same goes for Rush, Levin, etc.)  Think of all the people who'll be listening to him once they find out exactly what the congress is about to do to them.

Progressiveover peace.

You are the closest to SANE, that  I see.

You want to go? Fine. I'll have your accommodations amongst the sodomites ready for you.

AP Highlight in History:
On Nov. 7, 1917, Russia's Bolshevik Revolution took place as forces led by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin overthrew the provisional government of Alexander Kerensky.

Nov 7, 2009 . Lenin laughs his ass off

I think Nancy Peloso is soooooo sexy!!!! She would look so HOT in a burka.

Freakish BEARD growing LIBTARDS like HOLDREN told us that WE were entering a NEW ICE AGE.  Then  the same FREAKISH BEARDED LIBTARD MORON told us that we NEEDED TO LIMIT AMERICAN BIRTHS!! Holdren made reference to COMPULSORY BIRTH CONTROL DRUGS in the WATER SUPPLY,

Obama CHOSE this type of FREAK.

Obama is dumber than most Catholic School 5th graders.

Obama has NO IDEA, what he is doing

I think Nancy Peloso is soooooo sexy!!!! She would look so HOT in a burka.

BAHAHAHAHAHAH. Here's a though, imagine all American women in a burka.

I bet 99.99% of all Americans could pick out bla**y-O in hers by the size of her aircraft carrier sized ass.

"I'll be right behind you. I'm not playing and I'm not paying. I'll go to jail. I reject this government's tyranny over my life."

Hear, hear anonymous. Time to spit on ones hands and hoist the black flag.

As for all of you hoping to witness some great conservative rollback in 2010, dream on. The Republican Party leadership is a sad collection of eunuchs and cowards. Sure the popular anger is building against the Obama administration and Congress, but Republicans hierarchy will find a way to squander this golden opportunity.

Unfortunately, this is a totally different world. We have marxists and maoists running all over the White House, not mention an ineligible Indonesian imbecile occupying the Oval Office.

I'm afraid that legislative history is no guide to what this Washington junta does. We are well through the looking glass, here.

Posted by: gus at November 08, 2009 02:20 AM (MaqIC)

Thanks, gus. It's "progress", by the way - the real sort of growth and technological progress, not the insane, regressive, centralized "social progress" of the progressives.

Posted by: BJ Clinton at November 08, 2009 02:45 AM (DtTM9)

You said a mouthful.

Did they have a media that was totally in the tank for them? Willing to fan the flames of racial animus at the slightest hint of a problem? And I don't think we ever had anything like Van Jones and Co. strutting around the White House. Just three years ago, a twenty second look at Jeremiah Wright would have made anyone think that a congregant there wouldn't stand a chance in any election. We've already got people on the right, even, scared to challenge and admitted dual national on the Constitutional eligibility of such, when I think a few years ago you could have asked a thousand people if dual nationals should be President and they would have laughed at the idea (not to mention Constitutional scholars, before they were presented with a real case that might cause rioting if adjudicated "improperly"). We've got courts that have denied standing for the most basic of a citizen's rights.

Sorry, but it is pretty clear to me that America has never faced what we now have in Washington. Not with FDR and not with Johnson. We have a true America-hater and a totally feral government, all happening at the same time that our monetary system is being supported by balloons of printed money and swaps for worthless paper. And this vote came RIGHT after the dems got totally crushed in the election. They enjoyed saying that Owens won fighting for this bill, but that is a brazen lie, as we all know. This all says something very loud and clear, and ugly.

An Unjust Law Does Not Bind.

Strong knees will not bend to unjust laws.

I will not sign up for  this shit.

I wish someone would go Guy Fawkes. Dig a tunnel under Congress and fill it with gunpowder.

Set fuse. Light match. Be far away when fuse burns low.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 08, 2009 03:04 AM (I9RPh)

Yep. It boggles the mind to think about it all. ... But, it was obvious that national suicide was officially declared on Nov 4th. Now, we are just getting to see the blood run out of our nation.

Posted by: Hey, I'm curious, too at November 08, 2009 03:22 AM (Cta0m)"

Just talkin, how are you tongiht?

Just talkin, how are you tongiht?

Posted by: curious at November 08, 2009 03:26 AM (p302b)

I was fine tonight, thank you. How I will be tongiht might be another story. Depends on what the meaning of tongiht is, I suppose. BTW, what the f--k is a "tongiht"? Just curious. (Not to be confused with curious.) 

Posted by: Eric at November 08, 2009 03:28 AM (Qc/s6)

Naw, I've always been more of a listener than a talker. I'm just enjoying your, um, discourse here. It's more fun than going down to the corner to watch the traffic light change. Not as much fun as watching paint dry, though. So can you pick up the pace? Please?

I gotta believe that Obama and a lot of other Democrats stole the 2008 election. It can't be just a coincidence that they instituted computerized voting natiionwide in 2008, and the owners of those companies who manufacture those computerized voting machines and their software are all well known liberal Democrats.

Think about it. There is no way in hell that more than 40% of the people in this country were dumb enough to vote for that empty suit, Obama.  

Posted by: Michael Eric Dyson at November 08, 2009 04:34 AM (DtTM9)

Michael, Michael, Michael, get a grip. What the f--k are you talking about? LOL 

Posted by: Anachronda at November 07, 2009 11:44 PM (LD+ZJ)

That was no accident.

I haven’t read the comments from last night on this but I have this to add and it may be a repeat.

From the Fox News article posted last night on passage of the House Health scam bill:

Ironically, that only solidified support for the legislation, clearing the way for conservative Democrats to vote for it.

That described the addition of “tough” new restrictions on the use of federal money for abortions.  The emphasis there in the quote is mine. Folks this is exactly why we as conservatives must get a definition of conservative.  Now I know that the editors of Fox on nightshift are all liberals, but when even Fox adopts the meme that the definition of conseravtive is someone who is anti-abortion we can not get our message across.

Hey Fox editor assholes; being anti-abortion, in itself, does not make you conservative AND there is no such thing as a “conservative Democrat. That is like saying conservative socialist or conservative communist.  Those terms are mutually exclusive.

He “Stupak” Amendment with Republicans supporting it only highlights the “one issue” “Republican “conservative” problem even further.

I guess to some “conservatives” it is OK to trash 99% of the Constitution as long as that 1% that doesn’t support abortion is maintained.  

I am going to start calling this brand of Republican “Huckabee Conservatives”. How is that for a new label Morons?

I am going to start calling this brand of Republican “Huckabee Conservatives”. How is that for a new label Morons?

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2009 07:18 AM (CDUiN)

As far as associating them with something I'd never vote for:  Works for me!

I'm going to give you a black box.  Inside the box is a red button.  If you push the button, someone somewhere, who you don't know, will die.

Here's the moral dilemma:  If you push the button, you will owe me one million dollars.

Way back up at 113 -- yes, Tim Johnson voted 'no' all the way around.

The abortion amendment was foolish -- they'll strike it in committee or find some other way to repeal if this damn thing passes.  Too many people want it in the healthcare package, and they want it all the way up (and these are some very nasty people at the core, nasty and persistent) -- not restricted.  The social cons should have perhaps thought this one through -- this helps the bill become law, and opens the door for an even larger abortion funding package to be put in at a later date.

If this bill passes the Senate it will take unheard of action by future government to get rid of it (and why would they? it controls people very well; plus, the people in question are getting steadily stupider and more lazy -- look at the education system -- they'll grow to love it).

I don't see that happening (although I can always hope -- it could happen).

It would probably be more exact to say: it will take revolutionary action to get this repealed.  That won't happen -- the controls on behavior are already too tight (Hassan just helped it along -- we just can't have American citizens rampaging around now can we? snark).

Today is not a good day.   This monstrosity has to be stopped in the Senate.

Two words:  Collins, Snowe

Another word...Voinovich

and the traitor Republican Cao from LA hadn't turned, that this bill could have been stopped last night?

Word is that Cao got hoodwinked by Barry and the donkeys. He traded his vote for that, what turned out to be nothing more than a drive-by, visit to New Orleans

Two words:  Collins, Snowe

Another word...Voinovich

McCain, Graham, Lugar

 What evil does BHO bring?

Posted by: Vic at November 08, 2009 10:14 AM (CDUiN)

When it comes down to it the right to lifers are like any other single issue dipshits; their single issue just happens to be one that most conservatives agree with.  But the donks played those douches very effectively and the great Repuke leadership marched to their beat.  Too bad JohnJ doesn't realize that....

Posted by: TC at November 08, 2009 10:16 AM (QXKjZ)

In my email this morning from a sort of , kind of, maybe, insider in the RNC - "The dems picked this hill to die on, but we were there first  - medics with paddles in hand to save their sorry asses.  Instead of dying, they got a pinprick instead."

Too true, too true.

Posted by: JohnJ at November 08, 2009 10:31 AM (tjonB)

Are you really Michael Steele?

As for Health Care reform, we passed that threshold years ago when lawmakers decided that anyone brought to an Emergency Room be treated, regardless of whether or not he or she had Health Insurance.

Maybe that is as it should be, maybe that's the kind of society we want.  But it is a self-defeating process.  Let's say that lawmakers decided that anyone who took their car to a body shop due to an accident was entitled to have it fixed free of charge.  Public safety 'n all that.  A stretch, but let's assume it anyway -- How many people would drop their private insurance?  And how would the costs of those free repairs be paid for?

Simple, they'd merely 'shift' the cost onto the people who DO have insurance, causing their rates to skyrocket.  That's exactly what's happening in the Health Care market.  Cost-Shifting is what's killing the private Health Care market..  Not only from uninsured people but the FACT that Medicare and Medicaid do NOT pay what Private Insurance pays to doctors and hospitals.  Those losses have to be carried by the private carriers as well.

That's numero uno.  Then there's the lawyers.  You can't turn on the TV for five minutes without hearing an advertisement stating something like, "If you took ABC drug and your pussy fell off, call Dewey, Cheatum and Howe, attorneys at law."  People fall for it.  And even people who really were harmed by a drug end up getting very little when the case is settled.  The lawyers get most of it.  For rreal.  The law firm may get $$millions while the people who were harmed get thirty-seven dollars and fifty-two cents per person in these class acvtion suits.  Then there's the 'litigation lottery' that so many want to play.  Oh well, enough about lawyers.

Did you know that, in the entire history of Man, there has never been a shark attack on a lawyer?  Know why?  Professional Courtesy.

Yes folks, we do need Health Care reform.  No doubt about it.  Republicans have sat on their collective hands for far too long on this matter.  They come up with half-assed measures that accomplish nothing, thereby leaving the door open for demrats to come in and put the Government in charge.  I'm sure they'll do the usual bang-up job, as always.

Health Care reform is no longer an option, it WILL be done.  The question is -- Do we want the Government running it or do we want people running it?  My opinion, we should do like Switseerland and MANDATE Health Insurance for everyone.  Can't afford it?  Cool, we'll help you but it stays Private.

But Republicans (collectively) don't have the balls to push it and demrats want the Government in charge of -- Everything and everybody all the time.

'm really glad I'm signing on to stay another year over here.

Might be time to see what the requirements for citizenship are... if it's even possible.  Probably isn't, knowing their views on immigration (which are both better and worse, in certain respects, than ours)

To be  citizen you have to eat 10 dogs in 10 minutes. And they are alive when the clock starts. GO!

Posted by: VELVET AMBITION at November 08, 2009 10:33 AM (fdW6J)
------------------------
Well, those Stamp Acts and such. They were "repealed," if you know what I mean.

FOX is doing it's NFL pre-game show in Afghanistan...and doing a cool job of it..

...Fuck...that kinda shit always gets me teary

So, If the Rs hadn't voted for the Stupak Amandment, would the bill have gone back to committee? Or would the bill have still been passed last night, but without looking like a bipartisan effort? Please explain.

Predicting hypothetical events is a hazardous occupation, at best, but here is one possible outcome.  The bill probably would have passed with just 218 - Stupak may have voted no along with 1 other so-called Blue Dog.  The only issue I have with this is wheather Cao would have been vote 218. Republicans killed in the meantime for being nothing more than obstructionist. I know, they had an alternative, but that would have got no play whatsoever. The message of the day would have been how Republicans just wanted to sink the bill,  they are the party of no, etc. etc.

I actually think Stupak amendment was one of those test votes to see what you have in terms possible opposition. Remember, this has to get through the Senate and then through conference. Last night was 1st down, 3 more to go.

And I don't think 1 Republican vote counts as bipartisan. Can't sell that. And with a 70 seat majority, the Democrats passed it with just 3 votes to spare. We now have the list of who voted for this, with the opportunity to create havoc in some districts.

Not a time for despair, but a time to get to work.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons amd the Odd Meteor

Where were you last night. Right before the vote, someone was saying we needed a meteor

And BTW, one R vote from a total blue district does not make it "bipartisan".

Absolutely, Cao represents an African-American district in New Orleans.

1027 Maria Bartirommo has the SEIU president on, off she goes.

Where?

Where were you last night. Right before the vote, someone was saying we needed a meteor

Posted by: beedubya at November 08, 2009 11:31 AM (AnTyA)

Drinking heavily