1 HaHA!

2 I know someone who did this Kurzarbeit! His wife hates him now because he's a bum. A gov't sanctioned bum but still a bum. Farty sofa, cheesy aroma and all.

3 Isn't this the same as the UAW/ GM Jobs Bank?

4 There's so much fake work, make work in Europe that I really wonder what the real unemployment rate is in the EU.

5 Protestant work ethic 1517-2009. RIP

6 How come the WTO let's them do that? It seems it would be pretty easy to game that system and let the government subsidize your employees.

7

must be too much T.V. to cause that fatty cheese thingie sofa wearing concept of life attitude.

I t happens. Been to Wal -mart lately?

8 don't give the idiots in Washington any more ideas

9 When in the USA, Do as the Germans/ French/ Rome/ do.

10 Why work when the government takes 60%?  Just relax and enjoy the socialism!

11 The thing I want to know is if our balance sheet is bad, how can the EU countries put out so much cash and stay afloat?  Do the extra taxes really pay for all of this crap?

12 It's a great idea... until the government runs out of money.

13 It's a great idea... until the government runs out of money.

Not a problem, just print more.

14 This happens in many industries with very skilled workers, even in China, etc., except the government does not pay for it, the company does.

15 Coming soon to a retard U.S. administration near you.

16 Ah yes, what to do when the money runs out, isn't that always the ending with socialists?

17 Actually, we're doing something similar to this right now at my company.

It was getting to the point where we were having to consider layoffs, which would not only cost the state dearly, it would raise our unemployment taxes significantly.

Connecticut came up with a plan that would allow us to keep our guys on three day weeks, and the state would cover them the extra two, rather than eighty percent if hey were laid off full time. We don't get the rate raised for making sure we keep the benefits like health care and vacations full.

It's what's keeping us alive, and we have a staff ready to go when the Googly-God of the white house waves his magic tutsi to make it all better.

For once, the State did something right.

18 What? How could you ever run out of other people's money?

19 I just saw a special on CBS i think where they literally were talking to eachother about repeated deployments and PTSD "might" be the cause of this jihad f@cker at Hood. I am starting to think they are lying because it gets them off sexually. Why else lie that much.

20 It's all cool, as long as I don't have to watch German porn.

21 Germany? Never heard of it..

22 Posted by: flashbazzbo, s.e. at November 06, 2009 11:53 PM (x7MwC)

Didn't the legislature override Rell's veto on universal healthcare?

23 How in the great-bird-of-the-galaxy is this cost-effective?  Never mind competitive?

24

19 -- They are trying desperately to fit this guy into the accepted meme, which he most definitely doesn't.  In fact, he fits a story they will not print (never! never! -- msm stomp their feet like little girls and hold their breath).  When/if the jihadis ever lose their usefulness to the statists, then you might see something about them killing gays, maybe (unless gay people lose their usefulness first, which could happen, as women quickly have become in recent years).  Maybe the greenies will take the first swipe at them -- but it isn't going to happen for quite a while.

The situation in Germany is worse than it appears on paper -- although they were smart by not enacting a spendulus of their own.  Still, I think unreported, in some areas their funemployment was hovering around 23 percent, plus or minus, and that a year ago, if I'm not mistaken.  I don't know what it is now, but I can't fathom that it's gotten a lot better.

Plus they've got a crime problem in some of their cities that's really bad, and getting worse quickly.

25 How in the great-bird-of-the-galaxy is this cost-effective? Never mind competitive?
Posted by: Techie

It's just crowd control. It won't last forever, but by then the Muslims will rule Europe.

26 "How Germany kept unemployment low"
Maybe they don't have as many retards voting as we do.

27 Just can't get enough of that XYZ "Never heard of it. Charlie Gibson" joke.  It just keeps getting better.  My side are hurting.  Stop it.  Your killing me.  Next he'll be saying, Ohio Dan, Never heard of him. Hahahahaha, (gasp wheeze). Hahahaha

28

"How Germany kept unemployment low"

 

They spend very little on defense.  around 2% of GDP.  They live under our military umbrella and therefore have more to spend on "social programs"

29 Posted by: blackrockmarauder at November 07, 2009 12:18 AM (XhMuN)

They sure did. That and the standard wage law. There's a bit of wild abandon going on with the cocky bastards. At least they can't hide when it continues to deteriorate (further).

Heck, if we can find a republican somewhere in this state, he/she might stand a chance at getting elected.

30 You're all looking at this from the wrong end of the telescope. Remember the Jetsons? George only worked 3 days a week. Why? Because increases in productivity results in the same amount of wealth production for fewer man hours. Productivity numbers, thanks to capitalism, have increased on a year by year basis such that everybody is richer. So why don't we feel like it? Because the government takes now takes 30 to 40 percent of your income vs 10 percent in the 50s.

What does government do with that money? Why employ millions of people to nanny you and buy the pols who set the taxes elections and goodies. So what happens, with a graduated income tax system, if everybody just started working 24 hours a week?
1. You wouldn't be that much less well off.
2. There would be less unemployment because more people would be employed.
3. The government would starve.

Fun employement indeed.

31 That's some stimulating stimulus, right there.

32 There was a rumor that if you happened to be an unemployed German female, the State would find you work as a "sex worker". Dunno if that is still valid.

33 Posted by: K at November 07, 2009 01:06 AM (0byh7)

I can't think of any higher calling than producing "Sprockets".  Right on.  Can you work Captain America in there somehow?

34 Also, it would be great if you could set me up with Jessica Rabbit.

35 In a better world all the economic geniuses wouldn't be sitting in their mom's basement writing on blogs.

36

This is  nothing new.  At least twenty years ago I had the brother of a French/English girlfriend explain to me how "fair" it was to take shorter hours "so other people could work too".

I goggled then.

I goggle now.

And let's not forget how closely the European scheme maps onto GM's "job bank". 

The old line about wages in the USSR was, "We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us".

Now, in Germany, it's become "We pretend to work, and you pay us anyway , Big Time".

37

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This message is annoying, after you reduce a link at the tiny url site come back type a message and get the above.  Ain't the first time either.  WTF?

38 High unemployment=greater power to employ

I am a f#cking genius!

39 If unemployment gets to 50%, of course then we would have 50% looking for work. This would mean that we have a highly employable America.
Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

40 Because increases in productivity results in the same amount of wealth production for fewer man hours

41 I'm quoting K

42 Don't knock funemployment too much till you try it. I negotiated my apt. rent down 35%, am working on getting some grants/scholarships/loans for schooling, now have free health care, and congress just added 20 more weeks to my benefits. I could extend this vacation to about 2 years from what it looks like. I have to admit I'm glad to be in FL because of the coming winter, plus there is that little beach thing about 30 minutes away. Motorcycle gets 45mpg, and doesn't require insurance, so let gas prices go to hell. I have no credit cards, no payments and am fully proficient with fire arms, and can live comfortably on generic beers, smokes, and frozen pizzas. I have no female to support, and my youngest kid is mostly self-supporting. Never thought I would retire at 46, but who am I to complain?

43 Well Eric can i get a thank you at least? I make 60 gs a year between 2 jobs. Im single and get raped in taxes. My last years Cmas bonus was 3 grand, after taxes uhhh about 1750.

Consider your vacation on me.

44 Second job is the Army reserves so maybe I shouldn't count it. Ah whatever I am raped either way cause they keep screwing me for tthis SGLI crap i always turn down.

45 Actually, Mr. Pink. After my job ended last August, due to not needing my services anymore (manufacturing research and design) due to drastic cuts in product sales (portable hot tubs), I've found it rather difficult to find any manufacturing positions that pay more than the unemployment. After 26 years paying child support, serving in the military, and working from the bottom up in manufacturing, earning one AS degree, 5 other professional certificates, and going to night school for the last 20 years, I'm not too much in the thank yous. Yes, I will return to work, as soon as it is available, but why should I, a manufacturing engineer/QA expert/management experienced go to work unappreciated for what I can do with my mind. My method of "going Galt" may be unorthodox, but I suspect I'm not the only one, and I don't have too many regrets, besides it gives me lots of time to write that 'great American novel".

46 #17

If I was a competing company, I'd sue the state for its interference. This entitlement program makes no apparent assumption about why your company is on the verge of layoffs. What is the status of other competing firms? Is everyone in the toilet or is your company just run badly?

The state is picking up the tab for 40% of those workers wages in exchange for no productivity of any sort. How is this not costing the state dearly? Just because they still have jobs three days a week doesn't mean they aren't on welfare.

This sounds all too much like the type of new laws incumbent companies support to make entering the sector more difficult for new competitors.

47 German companies can't lay people off or fire them.

If a prosecutor can prove that there was a way not to, the executives in charge can be thrown in jail. This is not hyperbole.

So you get silliness like this, and you have German companies buying up American firms and looting them ... running them in such a way to support the German firm and prevent German job losses.

DHL was trashed by such tactics. They had the misfortune to be bought out by Bundespost using german government bond funds. The DHL folks in the US thought their new German owners were insane ... nope, they were just wringing them dry.

Left a formerly profitable US company a dried out husk, and sold the remains to US creditors who were left holding the bag, after making the assumption that Bundespost wanted DHL to remain profitable.

48 For the record, I would never, and have never voted for a Dem.don't believe in same-sex marriage, am Christian, and feel it is a better method of objection to force the Govt. to support me, than me being forced to support it.

49 Eric I wasn't passing judgement. I just wanted a simple thank you for my money.

50 Last august?????? WTF, how the hell do you live not working for over a year? Jesus freakin christ i got savings for like 2 months in case i get fired wtf did you guys do deal drugs?

51 The little pittance I get is in no way traceable back to your extorted funds. The unemployed are not the cause of high, or increased taxes, they are the result. I feel no guilt for taking it, or anything else I can find to squeeze out of this system since I have been paying into it my entire adult life, and it is nothing like what I voted to create. Should I find an employer who offers me better reward for my actions than the govt. offers for my inaction, I will gladly accept it. It is not as difficult to accept the Galt life as you may think.

52 "am Christian, and feel it is a better method of objection to force the Govt. to support me, than me being forced to support it."

You are not being supported by "Government", you are a good for nothing lallygag stealing from tax payers. Why don't you swallow your pride and get down to McDonalds, "Christian"? Oh, that's right, you deserve free money because you can't get your dream job.

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." - 2 Thessalonians 3:10

53 haha, no, this last August. Hey, I've been living at poverty level take home all my life so it's not that big a stretch to me.

54 I never held faith in that old song which made fun of the people in the unemployment line by laughing at them and screaming for them to get a job. My current employment status is not because of my inability to work, or unwillingness to do so. As far as McDonalds goes, Belly Laugh, since I am capable, trained, and experienced, and I have paid into moneys I am receiving, isn't it better for me to leave those unskilled jobs open for kids to develop worth ethics, rather than have them running the streets and possibly becoming a bigger problem than I will ever be?

55 47 German companies can't lay people off or fire them. Kristopher.
I think that is interesting, it's straight out of Atlas Shrugged Directive 10-289.

56

Pardon the vent, but I just got back from the bar....smoking my cigarette....drinking my Corona...minding my own fucking business.....and I had an elitist douche get in my face about how our economic troubles are due to Bush and Cheney's acquiescence in short selling....after implying that conservatives don't read books and saying that Roger Ailes was GWB's fraternity brother.

I asked for hard facts, mentioned Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and his GD face just got red.

Please advice as to proper etiquette in this circumstance.  Any suggestion that wouldn't lead to jail time on my part is greatly appreciated.  I just wanted to finish my fucking beer and stare at some girl's rack.

 

 

 

57 @56: Please advice as to proper etiquette in this circumstance.
---------------
I think Buzz Aldrin has a suggestion for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUI36tPKDg4

58

57

Thanks.  I feel better now

59 German companies can't lay people off or fire them.

Which means they're not going to take a chance on hiring you, either. 

Friend of mine in Bavaria got laid off in January from an American company (during that week after the Coronation when U.S. household names gutted their workforces) and hasn't landed a job yet.  I got laid off the same week and was working again in mid-April.  Same industry, slightly different specialties.  And I'd say he's smarter and has more experience.

OTOH, the government has been paying him well enough that he could come over here for a ten-day vacation last summer, so I think he wins. 

60

This message is annoying, after you reduce a link at the tiny url site come back type a message and get the above.  Ain't the first time either.  WTF

If you are using Fire Fox it will continue.  I can not paste anything when in FF.

61
#54 - How noble of you to make such a sacrifice on behalf of the yoots! It really does take a village after all. Now that I think about it, welfare checks aren't enough for such a saint as you. We should probably hold a parade in your honor.

/

62 I wouldn't make light of Eric until you walked in his shoes and went 9 months without a job and used what's left of what was once a nice 401K to save your house and keep your kids in school.

Been there, done that. Hope & Change fucked me over too.

63 Do they have couches in Germany?

64
Anghhhehgla Merkel is a dunce.

Fuck her and her global warming treaties.

65 "... don't give the idiots in Washington any more ideas."

Where do you think the idea for Cash For Clunkers came from?

That's right ... Germany.

66 "You are not being supported by "Government", you are a good for nothing lallygag stealing from tax payers."

So, let me get this straight: You work and the fruits of your labor are taken from you to support someone else... and you support Obama's brand of slavery?

Would you rather not work and have the slavemaster be required to pay you? Wouldn't that make the slavemaster your slave?

Which would you rather be:

1) Obama's slave
2) Obama is your slave

67

I have no problem with someone taking unemployment benefits while he/she tries to get back on his/her feet. 

Just don't tell me that you're taking a well-earned vacation or "going Galt."  You're not.  You're unemployed.

If you're not using this time to actively seek out employment, you're a f**king freeloader.  Nothing more. 

68 Posted by: Al's Kid at November 07, 2009 06:01 AM (Fx113)

I'll be.  I do have an extra "Go Fuck Yourself".  Thought I was all out.

69
re: being too tough on the beaver, Ward

wow, some of you morons are a little harsh. Eric was merely saying he doesn't have much of a choice in the matter of being unemployed at the moment so he's making the best of it.

70 re: being too tough on the beaver, Ward

Especially when he comes home drunk.

71

They canNOT be serious...

Forgive me for the OT, but it just occurred to me:  could Pelosi, et al., actually have been stupid enough to have scheduled the pro-death Obamacare vote thinking they could sneak it past the Catholic bishops by holding it during the Notre Dame game ... ?

 

 

[Goooooooooo, mighty Na-vy!]

72

@66

You sir are a racist. Don't you insult my boy that way.

73
I swear, some of you mo-rons just post comments to make silly jokes. Your silliness is couched in a comment, but it's NOT FOOLING ANYONE.

_{Not that I would ever do that, mind you.}

This is not a smart mil-blog. It's a smart-ass/milf-blog, is what it is.

74 I am going to inform NanFran of this glorious idea. I could already see her botoxed smile beaming from DC yonder. She might give me a chance to serve as butt boy for Hamas in Palestine where I can write the book "Peace through slavery: a guide to illegitimate thieves israel - hon'ble matyrs palestanian relations". Wait till my friend Mahmud hears about this.

75

MILF: morons I'd like to fondle

76
speaking of Palestinians...

So let me get this straight. A man born and raised in the United States, who happens to be a muslim, lists "Palestinian" as his nationality on his military documents and it doesn't raise a red flag?

77 On an application for a wife at his mosque, not his military records.  Or at least as far as I know...I'm sure we're due for some interesting anecdotes of military [lack of] intelligence among military intelligence sources.

78 BTW, that's how I picked up my last two "wives."

79
When Capt. Hasan scored terribly in his evaluation, what did the geniuses do?

They celebrated diversity by promoting the openly disgruntled and obviosuly-dysfucntional muslim to major! Well, done, assholes.


I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Major Hasan wrote down "Death to America" every time he had to fill out paperwork and list his address. He probably walked around base spitting on our flag and chanting 'death to the infidels" and everyone just laughed and said, "Oh there goes ol' Malik, again. We are so lucky to have a muslim in our military; it shows they don't hate us and it shows the world we are multicultural and not at war with Islam."

80 Muslim apologist on Fox pushing the mental angle. His action had nothing to do with religion even as he threw religion in everyone's faces while he was doing this.  Quoting Obama, don't rush to judgment.

No apology from Islam.  We condemn every response????  Why do we never hear that?

Other thread dead?

81 Gotta go folks. Back later

82
I'm sure we're due for some interesting anecdotes of military [lack of] intelligence among military intelligence sources.

I know, right? Talk about a failure of connecting the dots.

Holy shit, I wonder how many Hasans we have in the CIA and FBI.

83
Wait.

What?

Muslims apply for a wife at their mosques?

84
Okay, we know that not all muslims are terrorists. But all terrorists are muslims^*. We know that. That's an indisputable fact.

So if a muslim, who by his own behavior proves he's an extremist, goes on murder-suicide rampage, we should not rush to link his actions with his religious views?

But, if someone disagrees with Obama, it's okay to assume immediately and automatically that the disagreement is solely based on the color of Obama's skin, and that person is a racist?

^{*practically speaking, of course. 99% of the terrorist acts are carried out by muslims}

85

#79  We are of course talking about the Medical Corps (or whatever the Army calls it). They START at Captain (O-3).  The fact that he's just now getting around to Major is the story. 

The problem is, when the military sends someone to Medical School, that someone incurs a LARGE service obligation.  The military is loathe to release folks from that obligation, because then you'd get other people trying to milk the miltary for a "free" MD by trying to exploit the same "loophole".

You are right, though, in this case they should've bitten the bullet, cashiered his @ss, and sent him the bill.  Were they scared of CAIR saying "boo"? Sadly, probably so.

86

30 ...increases in productivity results in the same amount of wealth production for fewer man hours. Productivity numbers, thanks to capitalism, have increased on a year by year basis such that everybody is richer. So why don't we feel like it? Because the government takes now takes 30 to 40 percent of your income vs 10 percent in the 50s.

This great statement contains two important truthes that we need to figure out how to deal with (though I think you'll find that the government actually takes closer to 50% or more when you include all the hidden taxes).  1 - we don't need as many people to do the work that needs to be done.  2 - the government is eating up all the surplus wealth, and the so-called smart people are worried about how to give that same government even MORE revenue (rather than starve the damn pig).  While I'm no fan of Eurosocialists, I'm not convinced that a shorter standard work week is such a horrible idea.  I'm interested in any idea that provides opportunities for people to do honest work to support themselves and their families. 

I've seen my company go from approximately 80 manufacturing people down to 12 over the last 7 years, maintaining the same level of output, due to automation and productivity ("lean") improvements.  The folks doing the remaining human work have not had pay increases, since high unemployment insures that my company need not compete for labor.  So, as the effective productivity of each person has increased, their buying power has declined due to inflation.  The hyperproductivity of modern manufacturing will employ fewer and fewer, even as output increases (until no one is left to buy the output, that is).  What are all those folks going to do for work?  Become artists or performers or massage therapists?  Are the remaining producers of wealth really going to spend their cash to support all these folks in anything approaching the lifestyle that our technology and productivity are capable of providing?  Without a major technological game changer like economical fusion power or a wonderous new product that everybody has GOT to have, how are all these folks going to have work to earn their bread?  There's only so much demand in the world for human labor.  Shall we be good free-market types and let them starve, thereby reducing the "waste" of having excess labor sitting around doing nothing?  It's a way to go, but who will be the one to propose it, or the first to volunteer?  And how about this - what if we cut the manufacturing labor even more by going to longer work weeks like we had in the great old days?  If my choice was to either work 84 hour work weeks at straight-time (or in my case, on salary) or give up and try to get by on luck or begging or crime, I honestly would really have to think about it.  Already we are working toward this.  Our abysmally misguided trade policy has allowed a race to the bottom - the inevitable result of which is to bring working class Americans down to the level of the Chinese or Vietnamese, and eventually crash the modern industrial system when no one is left with the means to purchase the output.  Europe and the US have invented every major modern technological development - and we've allowed the vile third worlders to turn it against us and reduce us to their level - all for the short term profit of a few. 

Another problem is wealth stratification.  Once you reach a certain point you spend proportionally less and less of your income on goods and services.  The rich spend their goods on buying more productive assets that generate a return.  Which is good and wise.  But it results in concentrating the wealth upward, which we are doing, and pulling more and more money out of the system.  Less money flows around making transactions - which means the velocity of money steadily declines.  Trade declines, so those who work for a living rather than having their money work for them are the ones to suffer.  Asset prices increase as the rich compete to buy them up, freezing out the lower end of the income distribution from buying those assets. 

I do not propose that we punish the rich through taxation, because that just gives money to the state - our greatest earthly enemy.  But if a policy could be devised that moderated the process of wealth stratification, encouraging both spending and investment by the top wealth holders, that would be optimal. 

If the hope of the masses of people for a better future are destroyed, socialism/communism and all the horror that go along with them are inevitable.  If people have to look back at what prior generations enjoyed and see that they have less and less, the reaction will be a bad one.

87 Reactionary,

Your view on the situation is predicated on the idea that the only real wealth is from manufacturing.  However, there is wealth based on providing services for others. It is just not as tangible, but it is also no less valuable.  And the US does very well in that department giving us a huge array of goods and services that most nations wouldn't dream of having.

Our problem is that we have a government that has created regulations and laws designed to mainly to support and protect only one type of employment:  I work at one job in one company for about 40 hours a week, from which I get various benefits.  We're tied to this model, so many people can't think outside of this model.  Why not have a freer model where people and employers can negotiate arrangements that would be seen as part-time or contractor-based in the current model that provide varying sets of compensations that aren't penalized by the government in the form of differing taxation and regulatory schemes?   We could eliminate the byzantine regulatory schemes used to manage the insurance industry on a state-by-state basis and allow for full national competition among insurance providers that is geared toward enlisting individuals and not groups.  This way normal people will be able to afford the kinds of health/life/disability insurance that are most appropriate to them.

If people had this freedom, they could work as long as they want at fair compensation.

88 They're doing something similar to this at our local post offices. They've posted new openings, but it's only for an hour a week. And they've cut back a lot of their current employees to an hour a week, as well. It's insane.

89 The rich spend their goods on buying more productive assets that generate a return.

You mean things like bonds and such?  Bonds that companies issue so they can expand a business and do useless things like hire no-show employees and build facilities that come dehydrated in a can and magically spring into existence when you add water?

90 سعودي كام -
شات سعودي كام -
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Kind of a dull-sameness of existence, from my viewpoint - but there you are...

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