Pelosi = Foch

Maybe Pelosi is channeling Ferdinand Foch?

...Saturday, the House will take up a 2000 page health care bill that will raise taxes, cut Medicare, and cost more than a trillion dollars. That is the political version of Foch telling his troops to attack in the face of the German machine guns in the bloody fields of the Somme River Valley. It may seem to be politically courageous to the liberal Democratic leadership, but it is political suicide to the 75 or so vulnerable moderates who will face the ire of the voters in a year.

Foch’s tactics during the Great War, as it was called back then, unnecessarily killed thousands of French troops at the Battle of the Somme, leading to his eventual dismissal and an unhappy place in history.

"Unhappy place in history" indeed. 30 years from now I rather expect historians to write fairly dismal accounts of the Obama era, with special emphasis on the seemingly bottomless incompetence and remarkable tone deafness of a congressional leadership that couldn't read a newspaper let alone the mood of the electorate.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 11:57 AM

Comments

Maybe she's just stupid?

Posted by: Bosk at November 06, 2009 11:58 AM (pUO5u)

2 that couldn't read a newspaper let alone the mood of the electorate.

Well... in all fairness, the deciders tell him the mood of the electorate is that they support his policies.

Posted by: krakatoa at November 06, 2009 12:01 PM (mhdbo)

3 So we who oppose this plan are the boche?

Posted by: Ben at November 06, 2009 12:02 PM (wuv1c)

4 The Somme was primarily a British effort. But the over-the-top suicidal elan of Foch and other French generals, miles from the trenches, is correct. So make that wasteful and homicidal, rather than suicidal.

Cordially...

Posted by: Rick at November 06, 2009 12:04 PM (AIKsa)

5 Point of history, although the French did fight at the Somme, it was the British led by Haig who have garnered the black mark of failure for their performance at the Somme. The Brits took 60,000 casualties on the first day, July 1, 1916. Foch was definitely a buffoon, but the Somme was primarily British buffoonery.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 06, 2009 12:04 PM (xxgag)

Give them fair warning.

I just emailed my ignorant hickabilly rep carnahan, and made it plain that if he voted for this pos, we would have his ass next year.

He'll do it anyway, because he's a stupid pussy, but at least he knows what's coming in '10.

Posted by: rickinstl at November 06, 2009 12:04 PM (0AEWQ)

7 If I were a blue dog, I'd be looking at leading a revolt to overthrow lil' miss Nancy as the Speaker. I'll bet Steny would love that job. Seeing a bloodbath, he might even be willing to work with the GOP to promote their plan.

Is this technically possible? Has it ever been done?

Posted by: Steve H in AZ at November 06, 2009 12:05 PM (2mqge)

8 tone deafness of a congressional leadership that couldn't read a newspaper let alone the mood of the electorate.

Well said!

Posted by: Adlib at November 06, 2009 12:05 PM (k/CNO)

I guess the tea party chindit raids are working

Posted by: Ben at November 06, 2009 12:05 PM (wuv1c)

10 I don't think she's necessarily dumb, certainly Rahm and those guys are smart (if evil.) This is her/their best chance to grab 15 - 20% of the economy and turn us into Europe. They might lose the House for a couple of cycles, but once everybody needs the largesse of the govt to, quite literally, stay alive, the Dems will be in power forever. Our best hope to stop this now lies in the Senate -- God help us all!

If this passes this session, we'll never have the 3/4 we need to uphold an Obama veto even if we could get a GOP House to rescind the bill in 2011 -- and I have no confidence we could EVER get the Senate to rescind this in its horrible totality once it passes. Goodbye to the republic, it was nice while it lasted.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 06, 2009 12:05 PM (8cihe)

11
This is why I think it's best for America if this bill passes -- it will help get Pelosi out of the Speaker's office in 2010.

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 06, 2009 12:05 PM (UUkhk)

12 "Unhappy place in history" indeed. 30 years from now I rather expect historians to write fairly dismal accounts of the Obama era, with special emphasis on the seemingly bottomless incompetence and remarkable tone deafness of a congressional leadership that couldn't read a newspaper let alone the mood of the electorate.

Keep in mind that most "historians" are just as liberal as NBC. So don't get your hopes up.

Posted by: Vic at November 06, 2009 12:06 PM (CDUiN)

13 So if Pelosi is Foch, and this is some sort of parallel to "Paths of Glory," who are going to be the 3 unlucky bastards who draw the short straws and put against a wall and shot for cowardice????

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2009 12:06 PM (9Cooa)

with special emphasis on the seemingly bottomless incompetence and remarkable tone deafness of a congressional leadership that couldn't read a newspaper let alone the mood of the electorate.

I disagree. They read newspapers who all tell them everyone loves them and that a moderate is someone who votes the same as Pelosi.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 06, 2009 12:06 PM (SqAkN)

15 Pelosi = Mother Hamster
Democrats = Baby Hamsters

Posted by: Editor at November 06, 2009 12:08 PM (pUfK9)

16 30 years from now I rather expect historians to write scathing indictments of the redneck racists and the crusading GOP jihad against history, holding back the tide of progress into the new century.

Posted by: Truman North at November 06, 2009 12:08 PM (e8YaH)

17 What's the old saying about WWI British troops? "Lions led by Donkeys."

But that's not right in this case. How about...

"Donkeys led by Worms."

"Donkeys led by Liars."

"Donkeys led by Dipshits."

Posted by: DelD at November 06, 2009 12:09 PM (rC+/c)

18 @13

I nominate Rahm, Axelrod, and Gibbs.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 06, 2009 12:10 PM (OtQXp)

19 Didn't Hoyer announce that the vote may slip into next week? I don't think Pelosi has the votes -- probably nowhere close. She's throwing her weight around, and probably threatening bloody revenge if the votes don't go her way; but when all is said and done, the red-state Democrats are beholden to the voters, not to Mme. Speaker. Lots of them know the warning implicit in the Virginia and NJ elections (particularly the Virginia blow-out): the vaunted "move to the left" of the electorate was an illusion. If they vote for this shit-sandwich, they're dead come election day. Pelosi can make their lives miserable, but the voters can end their political careers.

The unemployment numbers that came out today aren't going to help, either. Trying to ram a grotesquely expensive entitlement down a recalcitrant electorate's throat in the teeth of the worst employment picture in fifteen years is madness, but that seems to be the track Pelosi has chosen.

Mme. Speaker seems to be channeling Captain Queeg more and more.

Posted by: Monty at November 06, 2009 12:11 PM (4Pleu)

20 Ed at HA has a post up about Steny Hoyer admitting this a.m. that the Dems do not have the votes they need for the Pelosi plan.

Posted by: PA Cat at November 06, 2009 12:11 PM (zVthp)

21 I don't think future generations will know what a newspaper was.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 06, 2009 12:12 PM (T0NGe)

22 The Democrats selected Nancy as their Speaker. They can deal with her. Bet the blue-dogs are regretting that choice right now.

Posted by: Techie at November 06, 2009 12:13 PM (cxW4X)

23 30 years from now I rather expect historians to write fairly dismal accounts of the Obama era, with special emphasis on the seemingly bottomless incompetence and remarkable tone deafness of a congressional leadership that couldn't read a newspaper let alone the mood of the electorate.

Cold comfort that, with all the intervening pain that will come as a result of their incompetence.

Posted by: rockhead at November 06, 2009 12:13 PM (RykTt)

Pelosi = Lemming

Health Plan = Cliff

Posted by: polynikes at November 06, 2009 12:13 PM (m2CN7)

25 The Blue Dogs are all a bunch of teabagging creationists taking their marching orders from Beck and Palin. They all need to lose their seats anyway.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 06, 2009 12:14 PM (+uWWh)

26 I don't think future generations will know what a newspaper was.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 06, 2009 12:12 PM (T0NGe)

Yes they will. They'll be wiping their asses with them when TP is outlawed and newspaper subscriptions will be compulsory.

Posted by: Editor at November 06, 2009 12:14 PM (pUfK9)

27 "Donkeys led by Worms."

Unfortunately for them, the worm hasn't turned. Badabump.

Posted by: pep at November 06, 2009 12:14 PM (5GcKk)

28 And that would make Obama Gen. Haig then?

Having breakfast while the bloodiest day in warfare occurred?

Posted by: Techie at November 06, 2009 12:14 PM (cxW4X)

29 Somebody need to do one of those Youtube Hitler mash-ups with Pelosi screaming about not being able to win.
It seems pretty apt right about now.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 06, 2009 12:15 PM (sdURN)

30 Ooo ooo...can I be Marshal Petain, too?

Posted by: Granny Botox at November 06, 2009 12:15 PM (pLTLS)

31 Pelosi is telling the blue dogs to get Foched.

Posted by: maddogg at November 06, 2009 12:15 PM (OlN4e)

32
This is the second time that we know of that Steny Hoyer has undermined his boss.

Hoyer is no dummy; he realizes that if the Dems can (and just) barely hold onto the House in 2010, he could easily be the next speaker.

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 06, 2009 12:16 PM (UUkhk)

33 30 years from now I rather expect historians to write fairly dismal accounts of the Obama era, with special emphasis on the seemingly bottomless incompetence and remarkable tone deafness of a congressional leadership that couldn't read a newspaper let alone the mood of the electorate.

Not if history is written by the Ivy-Inbred waving their Harvard, Yale and Columbia University degrees.

Posted by: syn at November 06, 2009 12:16 PM (ZjEOd)

One wishes that Congress were as doggedly determined to jumpstart the economy as they are to pass this POS Soylent Green healthcare bill. Well, maybe after next year, we'll have a Congress that's a bit more responsive to the will of the people.

God help us until then.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 06, 2009 12:17 PM (ZGhSv)

35 And yet, when they've managed to enshrine Abortion On Demand as a federally-paid entitlement forever and ever and ever the minute President Infanticide signs the thing, the Donks will look back from 30 years hence and say "it was worth the sacrifice of the House and Senate."

Posted by: Sharkman at November 06, 2009 12:17 PM (sZOIi)

36 HA: Hoyer says they don't have the votes.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at November 06, 2009 12:17 PM (SCcgT)

37 This is why I think it's best for America if this bill passes -- it will help get Pelosi out of the Speaker's office in 2010.

The best situation is that the bill passes the House and dies in the Senate.

There are huge hints that the Senate is not at all interested and that means that any Rep. who has any hope of getting reelected will not want to get on that limb just to have it cut out.

It's one thing to vote for the bill if it finally passes. It's another thing to go on record voting for a crap sandwich that goes nowhere.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 06, 2009 12:17 PM (T0NGe)

38 Pelosi = 52%

Hoyer = 2009

Posted by: Editor at November 06, 2009 12:18 PM (pUfK9)

39 Foch her. Actually, I was thinking she's Der Fuhrer to the Blue Dawg's FM Model @ da' Bulge, no?

Posted by: slade at November 06, 2009 12:18 PM (XsHAM)

40 The best situation is that the bill passes the House and dies in the Senate.

There are huge hints that the Senate is not at all interested and that means that any Rep. who has any hope of getting reelected will not want to get on that limb just to have it cut out.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 06, 2009 12:17 PM (T0NGe)

It's too risky!!! John McCain is in the Senate.

Posted by: Gollum at November 06, 2009 12:20 PM (pUfK9)

Maybe she's just stupid?

And a lying sack of scheisse

Posted by: wth at November 06, 2009 12:20 PM (wAQA5)

42 30 years from now ALL 3 of the available newspapers and the approved histories will treat Obama as the hero who ushered in the worker's paradise to America.

Of course they will all be printed in Chinese and the average national income will be the yen equivalent of $1000.00/year.

Oh, and the coal fired smokestacks will be billowing full bore to manufacture cheap and ugly 3 cylinder vehicles for the apparatchiks.

Everyone else will be walking and riding bicycles down muddy dirt streets to their boring and dirty jobs in those coal fired plants.

Posted by: Vic at November 06, 2009 12:22 PM (CDUiN)

43 Maybe she's just stupid?

That too.

Hubris. Vanity. Pride before the fall.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 06, 2009 12:23 PM (r/7bO)

44 Whoa there, I click on the link and Avast tells me that the webpage is trying to install trojan horse.

Yuck

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 06, 2009 12:23 PM (SHfRo)

45 And that would make Obama Gen. Haig then? Having breakfast while the bloodiest day in warfare occurred?

"Can I not just eat my full English?"

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at November 06, 2009 12:23 PM (r4j1P)

And that would make Obama Gen. Haig then?

Having breakfast while the bloodiest day in warfare occurred?

Look, I'm just trying to eat this waffle.

Posted by: Obama at November 06, 2009 12:24 PM (wuv1c)

47 It's too risky!!! John McCain AND his buttboy Lindsay are is in the Senate.

FTFY

Posted by: Vic at November 06, 2009 12:24 PM (CDUiN)

48
Pelosi = 2004 New York Yankees

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 06, 2009 12:24 PM (UUkhk)

From Hot Air breaking:

A House leader says Democrats haven’t yet lined up enough votes to pass their health care overhaul bill.

Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland says the vote that House Democrats had scheduled for Saturday could slip to Sunday or early next week.

Hoyer acknowledged to reporters Friday that Democratic leaders don’t yet have the 218 votes needed to pass President Barack Obama’s historic health overhaul initiative.

Posted by: Tami at November 06, 2009 12:24 PM (VuLos)

Well, Foch did get an aircraft carrier named after him.

Of course (IIRC), it's main propeller fell off as soon it left port.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 06, 2009 12:24 PM (DrGKS)

51 At this point I think Dems are screwed for 2010 however healthcare goes, so Pelosi may as well ram it down our throats. At least then they'd have introduced a system then can expand upon later.

Posted by: Sockless Joe at November 06, 2009 12:24 PM (jtJig)

52 It may be short-term, individual-congressmen suicidal--but it is quite the contrary if you are looking at the long-term socialist agenda.

As every socialist ideologue in the last 50 years has pointed out, if you can socialize medicine, you will quickly have complete control of the society.

It's the Nazi principle: Threaten people's children, and they will do anything you command. A mother will do whatever it takes to save her child's life if it is in danger--she will put up with a socialist system, she will pay whatever they ask her to pay, be quiet about whatever they ask her to be quiet about, go along with whatever they demand.

Yes, the socialists are perfectly willing to sacrifice however many Democrat seats they end up losing next year. Don't you see? IT WON'T MATTER. Even if Republicans regain a majority, they will not be able to reverse socialist health care once it's enacted!!!

(See: Social Security)

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 06, 2009 12:25 PM (eBpsW)

53 Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 06, 2009 12:05 PM (8cihe)

MaureenTheTemp is right; Pelosi doesn't care if she loses the House in 2010. This is a purely ideological effort and she regards the Blue Dogs as cannon fodder. She'll gladly lose the House to win socialism in America.

Posted by: joncelli at November 06, 2009 12:25 PM (RD7QR)

54 Dr. Nidal Hasan = Government Healthcare

Pass it on.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2009 12:25 PM (5aa4z)

55
Pelosi = the gestapo in Raider of the Lost Ark whose face was melted

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 06, 2009 12:25 PM (UUkhk)

I don't think future generations will know what a newspaper was.

i have bunch of shorted NYT shares that agree with that sentiment.

Posted by: Obama at November 06, 2009 12:25 PM (wuv1c)

57 Pelosi = 2004 New York Yankees

Pelosi = 2003 New York Yankees. Voters = 2003 Florida Marlins.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 06, 2009 12:26 PM (r/7bO)

58 Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 06, 2009 12:26 PM (r/7bO)

RINOs = Chicago Cubs, 20th Century

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2009 12:27 PM (5aa4z)

Healthcare=moneyshot

US Citizens=mouth

Posted by: Obama at November 06, 2009 12:27 PM (wuv1c)

60
Pelosi = Marsellus Wallace

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 06, 2009 12:28 PM (UUkhk)

pelosi's face= skin on my elbow

Posted by: Ben at November 06, 2009 12:28 PM (wuv1c)

62 Taxpayers = The Chicken

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 06, 2009 12:29 PM (5aa4z)

63 That is a ridiculous and probably confused characterization of Foch's reputation in military and world history. He's credited among other things for a critical role in holding off the initial German attack, and for having conceived and successfully implemented the offensive that ended the war.

Pelosi isn't fit to chop Foch's salad.

Posted by: CK MacLeod at November 06, 2009 12:29 PM (gyc2u)

64 (See: Social Security)

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 06, 2009 12:25 PM (eBpsW)

Perhaps, but decades passed between the passage of SS and when the Democrats next lost control of congress. If Pelosi rams something through by a vote or two and the Republicans retake both houses in large measure because of this I think there would be a much greater change of repeal.

I'd still rather see it go down in flames, which would also cause a Democrat civil war, but not all hope is lost if America loses this vote.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 06, 2009 12:30 PM (7BU4a)

65 You have to realize that Pelosi doesn't care what happens to the Blue Dogs. They're indispensable as long as Obamacare gets passed.

Posted by: Rick Moore at November 06, 2009 12:32 PM (ockhg)

66 Pelosi isn't fit to chop Foch's salad.

Bitch better stay away from my salad. Ewww.

Posted by: Zombie Ferdinand Foch at November 06, 2009 12:33 PM (5aa4z)

67 Pelosi = Roman Polanski
Pelosi bill = qualudes

Posted by: eatingnarcissus at November 06, 2009 12:33 PM (4FkTt)

68 A lot of people have been talking about the quandary of the alleged Blue Dogs - fear of Pelosi or fear of the constituencies. Since Hoyer (or some others behind the scenes) seem to be angling to get rid of Pelosi, the choice seems logical.

Fuck Pelosi and save my own political ass, even if it means being shit upon by whoever her replacement may be.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 06, 2009 12:36 PM (9Cooa)

69 BTW from the Battle of the Somme Wiki page:

13 British and 11 French divisions (initial)
51 British and 48 French divisions (final)

This is telling, though:

620,000 dead, wounded, missing, or captured,
100 tanks lost,
782 RFC aircraft lost

It was bloody. Very bloody.

Posted by: CUS at November 06, 2009 12:37 PM (wOGfT)

What Conservatives really need to be focusing on is taking 3/4's of the State Legislatures. Once we do that we can simply repeal anything the Dems did by Constitutional Amendment.

It will be terribly hard to do but it will basically be the only way out of the trap the left is putting this country into. If we do go that route we need to be willing to go in and gut the Federal Bureaucracy to the bone. We will also need to use the ammendemt process to retake our schools and to strip the citizenship that will most likely be given to all the illegal immigrants.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at November 06, 2009 12:38 PM (TC4J/)

71 Shooting in Orlando, on fox now. Eight shot.

Posted by: Lee at November 06, 2009 12:38 PM (7y9kL)

72 8 people just shot in Orlando...

How long before Shep names the shooter?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 06, 2009 12:39 PM (QECjC)

73 Re#52 Kathy from Kansas:

"Yes, the socialists are perfectly willing to sacrifice however many Democrat seats they end up losing next year. Don't you see? IT WON'T MATTER. Even if Republicans regain a majority, they will not be able to reverse socialist health care once it's enacted!!!"

Exactly. She only looses if the bill doesn't go through.
This is why I'm not so concerned about "Cap & Trade". Once people have paid $5.00 a gallon for gas, overturning it will be easy, but once people are totally dependent on The One for health care, it's here forever.
The One is a true believer.

Posted by: RayJ at November 06, 2009 12:41 PM (YcjCJ)

74 52 It may be short-term, individual-congressmen suicidal--but it is quite the contrary if you are looking at the long-term socialist agenda.

If it passes. Suicidal is to vote for a wildly unpopular bill that will ultimately not pass.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 06, 2009 12:41 PM (T0NGe)

75 My Mom and dad live in Orlando...

Posted by: joncelli at November 06, 2009 12:42 PM (RD7QR)

76 Pelosi apparently believes that the Democrat members of Congress are representatives of the Democratic Party, not representatives of their constituents.

Posted by: crosspatch at November 06, 2009 12:45 PM (ZbLJZ)

Sounds like an office building:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Officers are on the scene of a shooting in downtown Orlando Friday. According to Orlando Fire Department dispatch, several people were shot and were transported to a local hospital.

The shooting happened at 1000 LEGION PL at the Gateway Center.

Eight people were shot transported to a local hospital. Four people, police say, are described as 'trauma red' patients.

Posted by: Tami at November 06, 2009 12:45 PM (VuLos)

78 If they passed this, couldn't it be attached to something in the Senate like Rush talked about. This is what he said:

"the trick is to take a health care bill in the Senate and attach it as an amendment to another bill that could be related or unrelated. Now, the TARP bonus bill is unrelated. There are a couple of other bills -- "vehicles," they're being called -- that Reid could use and then call for a cloture vote. And because it's not the overall health care bill, it's likely the cloture vote would be lost because the people who are afraid to vote for cloture on a straight health care bill could then say, "Well, we weren't voting on the health care bill. We were voting on the TARP bonus bill," or one other, two other bills that Reid might use if not the TARP bill. So there are two health bills in the Senate: One from the Harkin committee, one from the Baucus committee.

Harry Reid takes the best of both, he merges them, creates one Senate bill and attaches that as an amendment to a bill that either has something to do with health care or in the case of the TARP bonus bill has nothing to do with health care. And once they get cloture, he could drop that combined bill to the floor of the Senate, which includes Baucus and Harkin, and then they'd only need 50 votes to pass that final product because Biden would be there to provide 51 if necessary. Now, one of the questions here is: Can they get Senator Byrd to the chamber? He's in poor health. If they can't get Byrd to the chamber, the only need 11 votes. You have to assume they're not gonna be able to get Byrd there. Now, we can also assume that we get all the Republicans and Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln; maybe Pryor, Landrieu, Bayh, McCaskill, Carper, Warner, Webb. But the Democrat side will get Specter and Bennett and Nelson and Shaheen and Conrad -- and, in that situation, our side would lose."

Posted by: mastour at November 06, 2009 12:45 PM (Sl4KE)

79 Government = Pushers
Healthcare = Crack
Citizens = Junkies

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 06, 2009 12:46 PM (IqfKc)

Yes, the socialists are perfectly willing to sacrifice however many Democrat seats they end up losing next year. Don't you see? IT WON'T MATTER. Even if Republicans regain a majority, they will not be able to reverse socialist health care once it's enacted!!!

This is true, even if the GOP gets a huge majority in 2010. No politician is going to take medcine away from children and old people. No matter what.

Posted by: Truman North at November 06, 2009 12:46 PM (e8YaH)

81 The hell care bill is not only a suicide pact for the blue dogs, it is a suicide pact for freedom and liberty.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 06, 2009 12:48 PM (DIYmd)

82 Pelosi's crap sandwich will never pass. She is gonna end up eating that thing with comuppance sauce and a side of crow.

Posted by: maddogg at November 06, 2009 12:49 PM (OlN4e)

83 Pelosi's crap sandwich will never pass. She is gonna end up eating that thing with comuppance sauce and a side of crow.

From your keyboard to God's PDA.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 06, 2009 12:51 PM (NtiET)

"a congressional leadership that couldn't read a newspaper let alone the mood of the electorate"

Oh, they've been reading newspapers, alright. It's just a question of which newspapers they've been reading. Of course most of the papers, while briefly squeezing in paragraph 57 the fact that the majority of the populace is ready to march armed on D.C. to force them to pay attention to our concerns, are actually goading these nitwits to pass this atrocity.

Posted by: JC at November 06, 2009 12:51 PM (kmuoQ)

85 Not a good analogy. Foch was not dismissed and exiled into an unhappy place in history. His performance up to that point had been far better than that of his Allied contemporaries. He later went on to be the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces and played a critical role in defeating the Germans in 1918.

A better analogy would have been General Nivelles whose generalship resulted in the French mutiny of 1916 and who was relieved and relegated into obscurity.

Posted by: Durable Hawk at November 06, 2009 12:52 PM (mOUat)

86 George: Great Scott sir, you mean, you mean the moment's
finally arrived for us to give Harry Hun a darned
good British style thrashing, six of the best,
trousers down?

Blackadder:
If you mean, "Are we all going to get killed?" Yes.
Clearly, Field Marshal Haig is about to make yet
another gargantuan effort to move his drinks cabinet
six inches closer to Berlin.

George: Right! Bravo-issimo! Well let's make a start eh, up
and over to glory, last one in Berlin's a rotten egg.

Posted by: Ace's #1 Fan at November 06, 2009 12:53 PM (SHKl9)

87 Pickett's Charge might be a more accessible analogy but there's a rub---maybe Nan and Harry have promised them lobbying jobs after they lose next year. Losing was the best thing that ever happen to Tom Dasshole's bank account.

Posted by: jobmd at November 06, 2009 12:54 PM (bKvdD)

88 The idea that socialized healthcare would be irreversible would be small consolation for Blue Dogs looking to stay in Congress for the rest of their lives.

That's actually a strong argument against term limits.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 06, 2009 12:55 PM (QECjC)

89 God forbid, should this monstrosity of a Bill pass, who says it could not be repealed? Repeal has happened historically.

Posted by: rawmuse at November 06, 2009 12:59 PM (GHATK)

90 How long before Shep names the shooter?

Shep is not on right now but it doesn't matter. I went over and looked and there is noting going but speculation. I have come to the conclusion long ago that breaking stories are worthless to watch.

Posted by: Vic at November 06, 2009 01:00 PM (CDUiN)

91 Sure, repeal has happened historically. But do the math on what it takes to make that repeal happen and tell me you're confident this will happen. The stakes are too high just to chance it...

Posted by: Ace's #1 Fan at November 06, 2009 01:00 PM (SHKl9)

92 I don't believe Nanny was expecting this bill to pass. This is for the Kos kids.

What we should really be worried about is the crap and tax POS. It has already passed the House. The Senate version has made it out of committee now thanks to at least one Republican who we will never know who voted for it because they pulled that BS stunt after allowing the vote for the floor.

We already know the ME twins, Lowlife Linsdey, and Crapweasel McLame are for crap and tax.

And that bill stands to hit us a lot harder than healthscam. And I have yet to hear any damn news reader discuss the onerous shit that is in that bill.

Like having to spend several hundred thousand dollars on your house before you can sell it, refinance it, or even make an addition to it. .

Yes, that shit sandwich is close to passing now.

Posted by: Vic at November 06, 2009 01:05 PM (CDUiN)

93 83 - Heather Radish:
From your keyboard to God's PDA.

Hadn't heard that one - thanks, I needed the chuckle.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 06, 2009 01:06 PM (8cihe)

94 God forbid, should this monstrosity of a Bill pass, who says it could not be repealed? Repeal has happened historically.

Not in recent times. The last law of this magnitude that was repealed was the Volstead Act (Prohibition), and that was way back in 1933. Given the realities of gerrymandering and near-perpetual-incumbency, I see little hope of a health plan getting repealed once enacted. The system would have to completely crash first because no politician would be willing to take medical care away from old people and babies (which is most assuredly how Democrats would frame it). This is the fabled "liberal ratchet" effect.

More broadly, it explains why democracies almost always implode from within -- entitlements get out of hand and the state becomes both bankrupt and morally corrupt.

Posted by: Monty at November 06, 2009 01:07 PM (4Pleu)

Um...the original aritcle is screwy and does a great disservice to Foch. First off, the Somme was a mostly British operation, and while Foch was temporarily fired, his commander, Marshall Joffre, was given the permanent heave-ho shortly thereafter.

Second, Marshall Foch was restored and made the Allied commander-in-chief in 1918. He was unhappy with the 11/11/18 cease-fire, because he believed (correctly) that the Germans had not been utterly defeated, and would again pose a mortal threat. (Our Black jack Pershing thought exactly the same way.) .

Upon reading the Versailles Treaty, Foch was heard exclaiming, "This isn;t a peace! It's a cease-fire for 20 years!" Well, 20 years and 65 days later, England and France declared war on Hitler's Germany.

Posted by: Big Mo at November 06, 2009 01:10 PM (HI9pP)

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Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 06, 2009 01:10 PM (IqfKc)

97 #72, I'll pick on Shep hard as anyone, but Fox was honoring the Army's embargo of the name. I won't ding Shep for that.

Posted by: SGT Dan at November 06, 2009 01:15 PM (GgXZc)

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Posted by: wth at November 06, 2009 01:19 PM (wAQA5)

Rommel was an outstanding soldier and military tactician. He was German Army, not a Nazi. He was respected by our best generals. He was implicated in a plot to kill Hitler and executed himself to spare his family the shame.

Comparing Pelosi to him is a travesty. She should be compared to a piece of shit or better the small piece of earth that resides under said piece of shit.

Posted by: Old Texas Turkey at November 06, 2009 01:23 PM (0D4RJ)

100 If we're comparing modern political figures to Great War generals, I'm thinking that McCain or Newt = Pétain is a better example.

Exemplary service early in their career, followed by traitorous turn to evil later in life.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 06, 2009 01:31 PM (r8/Km)

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Posted by: schneedoo at November 06, 2009 01:32 PM (KNCWm)

102 Not in recent times. The last law of this magnitude that was repealed was the Volstead Act (Prohibition), and that was way back in 1933.

Not the same Monty, the Volstead Act was a Constitutional Amendment which took another Amendment to remove it. That is much more difficult than repealing a simple Act which can be done with 51%.

A much more timely repeal was the act that forbid some credit unions type places from engaging in banking activities.

The one the commies are blaming their failures on.

Posted by: Vic at November 06, 2009 01:35 PM (CDUiN)

103 World War I was such a fascinating study of self-immolation. Too bad we have a political leadership so hell-bent on following analogous policies to those we found did not work at such high cost.

Posted by: U.S.S. Yorktown at November 06, 2009 01:38 PM (5RlWq)

104 I agree about the Cap and Trade Bill, that is economically very hazardous.

My problem is that a part of me thinks that we are so fucking stupid for electing this crew that we deserve all of this. I mean, it is like putting your own hand in the meat grinder, turning it on, and then somehow being appalled that you got hurt.

Posted by: rawmuse at November 06, 2009 01:43 PM (GHATK)

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Posted by: schneedoo at November 06, 2009 01:51 PM (KNCWm)

106 I hope that due to their massive arrogance Nancy and Barry keep (figuratively) charging into a hail a machine gun fire. Gaining no ground and learning nothing from it. Keep charging kids, keep charging.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 06, 2009 01:52 PM (Qjzz3)

107 it is like putting your own hand in the meat grinder, turning it on, and then somehow being appalled that you got hurt.

No worries. We'll just sue whoever made the meat grinder.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 06, 2009 01:55 PM (CSGYW)

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I like the radio ads playing DC, about Pelosi's pirates trying to force the Blue Dog Democrats to walk the plank, with the sound effects of the walk, and the splash, and the gurgle

Using the cap/trade vote as the first walk

It was on WTOP, the main 24/7 news radio

Posted by: Cromagnum at November 06, 2009 01:55 PM (rRlh2)

109 The Civil War battle at Franklin TN might be a better metaphor. General Hood, angry and frustrated at the misadventures of his invasion of TN, decides his army needs the "discipline" of a frontal assault on the Union army, entrenched, some armed with repeating rifles. In 5 hours of butchery into the dusk and night the army loses 7000 men (1750 killed), fifteen generals (6 killed, 8 wounded, 1 captured) and any hope of success in the future.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 06, 2009 01:56 PM (z1N6a)

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Comparing Pelosi to him is a travesty. She should be compared to a piece of shit or better the small piece of earth that resides under said piece of shit.

My post was regarding the importance of the battle. If the Nazis take the Suez Canal they probably win the war. If the communist "give" us "free" health care we lose control of everything. It's THAT big of a deal

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 06, 2009 01:57 PM (IqfKc)

111 My problem is that a part of me thinks that we are so fucking stupid for electing this crew that we deserve all of this.

Our elders were pretty smart when they were pleased with little to no turnout from the 18-29 year old electorate.

If turnout in this category continues then we'll have our first POTUS beer pong tournament in the Rose Garden. And certainly the first keg stand in the Oval Office.

Posted by: WTFCI at November 06, 2009 01:58 PM (GtYrq)

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Don't you people know anything about history? Foch wasn't the French Army commander during the Battle of the Somme; Joffre was. Joffre was replaced by Nivelle who was replaced by Petain. Foch was appointed supreme commander of all Allied armies in March 1918, above Petain.

French troops mutinied under Nivelle, hence Petain's promotion.

Joffre more than anyone else was responsible for the victory at the Battle of the Marne in 1914, which saved France and arguably doomed German.

God, the ignorance on display here is astounding.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at November 06, 2009 02:08 PM (28MmA)

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... And it was Foch who led the Allied armies, including American forces, to victory in November 1918. He was, and still is, regarded as one of France's greatest generals.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at November 06, 2009 02:11 PM (28MmA)

114 99
Rommel was an outstanding soldier and military tactician. He was German Army, not a Nazi. He was respected by our best generals. He was implicated in a plot to kill Hitler and executed himself to spare his family the shame.

Comparing Pelosi to him is a travesty. She should be compared to a piece of shit or better the small piece of earth that resides under said piece of shit.

Posted by: Old Texas Turkey at November 06, 2009 01:23 PM (0D4RJ)

I'll grant he was a great general, and personally no evil Nazi.

Nevertheless, he served Hitler and would have helped him subject the entire planet to his tyranny had not the war turned against Germany. Yeah, he was implicated in a plot to kill Hitler... after it became clear Hitler would lead Germany into utter destruction.

It wasn't for humanity's sake that Rommel plotter to kill Hitler. Had Hitler proven victorious in Russia and occupied London, Rommel would have been just fine with him.

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 06, 2009 02:15 PM (QECjC)

115

Had Hitler proven victorious in Russia and occupied London, Rommel would have been just fine with him.

Well, I'm not sure they were even at war with Russia at the time Rommel turned against Hitler, and he was primarly concerned over what had happened in North Africa where Rommel had fought, and ultimately lost to a British general I believe was called Montgomery.

Posted by: Entropy at November 06, 2009 02:25 PM (IsLT6)

116 Newspeak transformed tone deaf into change we can believe wherein we have no place. American citizens lack standing so far as Pelosi's Congress is concerned.

Why on earth Congress doesn't revolt against Pelosi is the question worth pushing. The House Speaker is only as strong as she is enabled by dhimmi followers. Americans are NOT with Pelosi. Constituents have turned the very pitchforks against Congress that Obama himself threatened against American citizenry.

Posted by: maverick muse at November 06, 2009 02:28 PM (F1b/5)

117
Well, I'm not sure they were even at war with Russia at the time Rommel turned against Hitler ...

They were.

His primary concern was the way the war was going on all fronts--badly. He was in command of the Normandy defenses on D-Day and knew first-hand that Allies would in all likelihood win the war.

Previously his loyalty to Hitler was sufficient to get him appointed as commander of Hitler's personal defense battalion, in 1938.

He was also a close personal friend of Joseph Goebbels.

Make of that what you will.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at November 06, 2009 02:48 PM (28MmA)

118 Foch wasn't the French Army commander during the Battle of the Somme; Joffre was. Joffre was replaced by Nivelle who was replaced by Petain. Foch was appointed supreme commander of all Allied armies in March 1918, above Petain.

French troops mutinied under Nivelle, hence Petain's promotion.

Joffre more than anyone else was responsible for the victory at the Battle of the Marne in 1914, which saved France and arguably doomed German.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate)

Steve, thanks for The Great War to End All Wars tutorial. Seriously, it's appreciated. My grandfather was a Major in that war, but never spoke of his war experiences. He let his son, a WWII Vet and Korean War Colonel, enjoy the limelight telling old war stories to us kiddies gathered together at family reunions, particularly at Thanksgiving when he'd come from the Pentagon to visit us all. Comparing the utter carnage of the D-Day assault, every day was that way during the Great War that never should have been; WWI was utterly hopeless in conception and execution and ultimate outcome. I read Grandpa's journal after he passed away. Evidently, the American officers were ordered to never look above the trench after commanding their men to assault. He did, though, and the wasteful carnage he saw broke his heart, all the men mown down without getting anywhere, time and again, which explains why he refused to describe that war to his grandkids. But he taught us all the songs which we sang together with gusto, taught us to respect weapons properly, and shared the sentiment that in warfare, neither Grandpa nor my Uncle admired the arbitrary and pompous French commanders.

Posted by: maverick muse at November 06, 2009 03:05 PM (F1b/5)

119 Speaking of pompous, hope that Congress isn't Pelosi's Pookie.

Posted by: maverick muse at November 06, 2009 03:09 PM (F1b/5)

120 Another point on the historical Somme. It's often overlooked but the British won* that battle.

(the entire battle - it took a few months to play out)

* in WW1 terms - it's not like they had a giant breakthrough and pushed forward 100 miles.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 06, 2009 03:28 PM (1TCz+)

121
Another point on the historical Somme. It's often overlooked but the British won* that battle.

"Another victory like that, and we are finished." -- Pyrrhus of Epirus

Claiming victory for the British in the Battle of the Somme is not too different from Nancy Pelosi claiming victory for the Democrats in Tuesday's elections.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at November 06, 2009 04:09 PM (28MmA)

122 More and more I get the impression that Pelosi's handlers keep her sequestered in an air-tight bubble, feeding her information that is the exact opposite of what is actually going on. Either that or she's on a perpetual LSD trip of her own.

Posted by: GarandFan at November 06, 2009 04:20 PM (ZQBnQ)

123
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Palin = Diana?

Posted by: obama is a traitor at November 06, 2009 06:18 PM (Qt4Y7)

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