Actual Cost of Democratic Plans: Over $1.8 Trillion

Both of them -- the Senate plan and the House plan.

For a a long time, they have been falsely reporting the "ten year costs" by comparing ten years of revenues -- also known as higher taxes and mandates -- with only seven years of outlays.

What happens when you compare a ten-year window in which there are both revenues and layouts going on for the whole ten years?

The costs skyrocket above their advertised costs -- they double.

Each bill is routinely “scored” for its 10-year costs from 2010-19. Yet this includes several years when the spending wouldn’t yet have kicked in. According to the Congressional Budget Office, fully 99.9 percent of the Pelosi bill’s costs would hit from 2013 onward. Similarly, 98.3 percent of Reid’s spending would come after 2014.
If you start the tally when the bills’ spending would actually start (in 2013 for the House bill and 2014 for the Senate bill), then the bills’ real 10-year costs become clear — and are remarkably similar.
The CBO reports that, in their true first 10 years, the House bill would cost $1.8 trillion, and the Senate bill would cost $1.7 trillion. Pelosi would raise Americans’ taxes by $1.1 trillion over that period, while Reid would hike them by $1 trillion.
And the House bill would siphon about $800 billion from Medicare to spend it elsewhere, while the Senate bill would suck out about $900 billion.

Seniors, take notice: The already-massive cost of this catastrophe is being reduced by $800-900 billion to give your care to someone else.

Someone younger, healthier, and, coincidentally I'm sure, more inclined to vote for Barack Obama.

This whole scam is a game of taking more than a trillion dollars in benefits from a constituency that doesn't support Barack Obama very strongly (seniors) to a constituency that does vote for him, very strongly indeed (the young, the poor, minorities).

It is a fair question to ask if we are too generous to the elderly at the expense of the young. There is not a self-evident answer. Perhaps Obama and Pelosi could make that case.

But they should make that case. Those who are to be negatively impacted like this -- seniors -- should know the facts of the matter, and not be lied to constantly by the Democrats, Obama, and the head-pat media. They should hear the facts, and they should get a fair hearing themselves.

Posted by: Ace at 02:58 PM

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1 This is awesome. And I don't have to lift a fucking finger.

Posted by: Jack Kevorkian at November 05, 2009 03:01 PM (/WLDq)

2 $1.8T if we're lucky. Their original estimates for Medicare were off by a factor of 12.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 05, 2009 03:01 PM (NtiET)

3 Seniors, take notice:

Just curious but how many seniors read the HQ?

Other than Dave in Texas of course.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2009 03:02 PM (FCWQb)

4 Man that's a lot of siphoning and sucking.

Posted by: Rocks at November 05, 2009 03:02 PM (Q1lie)

Usually, with government programs, the average multiplier is closer to 15 times the original estimated costs.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2009 03:03 PM (V9SYy)

6
But it's all cool. Their plan saves taxpayers $4995.95.

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 05, 2009 03:04 PM (z37MR)

7 Just curious but how many seniors read the HQ?

Other than Dave in Texas of course.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2009 03:02 PM (FCWQb)

They don't actually read it much. They just point at the headlines and go "See! See!"

Posted by: Rocks at November 05, 2009 03:04 PM (Q1lie)

8 Heather beat me to it. Minimum 1.8T, per year, by the time we get there. Take comfort in knowing that we'd never make it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 05, 2009 03:04 PM (5aa4z)

9 Seniors, take notice: The already-massive cost of this catastrophe is being reduced by $800-900 billion to give your care to someone else.

On a series note...that will never happen.

They are just using that as window dressing. They won't actually make the cuts, they'll just print/borrow more.

To paraphrase Sheriff Brody...We're going to need a bigger wheelbarrow.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2009 03:06 PM (FCWQb)

10 re: my #9, that should read...

On a series serious note...that will never happen.

Damn World Series from hell is still in my mind.

Thank God it's over.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2009 03:08 PM (FCWQb)

11 Wold Series? Is that some kind of roller derby event or something?

Posted by: kefka at November 05, 2009 03:09 PM (n1uMU)

12 The Yankees win!

Posted by: Rocks at November 05, 2009 03:10 PM (Q1lie)

13 Ahha ace, knew you wanted to get rid of all the old people: "It is a fair question to ask if we are too generous to the elderly at the expense of the young. There is not a self-evident answer. Perhaps Obama and Pelosi could make that case."

The parents of these selfish young people should have made them work for everything they got and they got too much. Now look, the parents worked their fingers to the bone, two parents, oftimes two and three jobs and look at the thanks they get: "maybe they are spending too much on old people?".....Wow, just wow...way to go Ace...way to go..

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2009 03:10 PM (p302b)

trillion is the new billion, don't you know?

and waddya mean they should know the facts of the matter, and not be lied to constantly by the Democrats, Obama, and the head-pat media??

the murder row, inc. dem'rats are banking on the fact that gramma and gramps have not adjusted their hearing aids and can't hear when they shriek "mob!", "Nazi!" and "evil-doers!"

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 05, 2009 03:11 PM (pLTLS)

15 They'll never cut medicare, so just add those 'cuts' to the cost of the bill, so $2.6 trillion.

Posted by: kefka at November 05, 2009 03:12 PM (n1uMU)

16 Just curious but how many seniors read the HQ?

Other than Dave in Texas of course.

Ouch.

Careful, Drew. Those dentures are sharp.

Posted by: Warden at November 05, 2009 03:13 PM (lEqfY)

17 1.8 trillion? 18 trillion? 180 trillion?
It doesn't matter. It's a RIGHT damn it!
Palomino!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 05, 2009 03:14 PM (Q1lie)

18 They'll never cut medicare

Yes they will. And Socialist Security, and Medicaid. There are no choices anymore. They all need cut deeply 10 years, and eventually must be eliminated.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 05, 2009 03:14 PM (5aa4z)

19 Should be 10 years ago. Ima idjit.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 05, 2009 03:15 PM (5aa4z)

20 Bah, those old people won't be paying us dues much longer, anyway. Our Teleprompter Jesus promised us more than enough to make up for any members we lose to the Hope, Change, and Euthanasia centers.

Posted by: AARP at November 05, 2009 03:15 PM (VmtE9)

They'll essentially "cut" Medicare by the hidden rationing systems.

In the end, there will be only cripping debt, followed by chaos when the health system breaks down.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at November 05, 2009 03:16 PM (9hSKh)

22 In the end, there will be only cripping debt, followed by chaos when the health system breaks down.

I could keep the fucker running a while.

Posted by: Bernie Madoff at November 05, 2009 03:17 PM (5aa4z)

23 Bitching about the cost of this is politically pointless. Nobody gives one rats ass about how much anything out of Washington costs really. A trillion here, a trillion there ... maybe one day it will add up to some real money but it hasn't yet.

Death panels ...now that was political gold. That actually got people to show up to meetings and scream and yell at these fuckers. And yet, we hear nothing about how Barack Obama is going to balance his health care budget on the backs of dead seniors by cutting their benefits.

"They want to cut Medicare ... to end Medicare as we know it."

That's all you have to say. It's short, sweet, effective at explaining what Pelosi is up to, and will motivate voters (real live registered voters) to call and bitch out the Congressmen in their own district (the only strategy that is effective - same strategy they used on us with Social Security reform).

It has the distinction, by the way, of also being true.

Posted by: someguy at November 05, 2009 03:17 PM (VRJIW)

24 The Guinness Book of World Records will have to be updated for the category of the number of people financially raped at the same time. The democrats are about to set a new record that will never be broken.

Posted by: concious, but incoherent at November 05, 2009 03:18 PM (kn+jW)

25 destroy family ties (too much work for parents, too much time in the care, custody and control of the school...

So then, they never really bond like a family from the fifties or sixties or seventies or eighties and it will be much easier to kill Mom and Dad when the time comes....lovely

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2009 03:18 PM (p302b)

26 Curbing GHG emissions through rationing medicare ....... fucking evil genius .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 05, 2009 03:19 PM (vKdhq)

27 The only way AARP would have signed up to this is that they have a secret handshake that the 800 or 900 billion dollars would not actually be taken from their programs, it is just a shell game. I would like to see a Republican demanding that they cut the money from the Seniors in this bill or before it. Pass the cuts first.

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2009 03:20 PM (7K04W)

28
Just curious but how many seniors read the HQ?

This white hair spends time in the grocery store cruising for cooter, on the beach scanning for the perfect pear shaped ass, and a few times a year visiting Rachel's, a strip club with delectable young beaver's prancing and strutting their lithe little bodies for the lecherous few.

Who has time to read HQ?

Posted by: Fish at November 05, 2009 03:21 PM (6mfq0)

29 This is the same strategy as the AGW Hockey Stick fiasco where Gore never overlaid the CO² graph with the warming graph.

Posted by: krakatoa at November 05, 2009 03:21 PM (mhdbo)

30 It's alright, dead seniors and seniors living in agony, there's always me.

Posted by: The $250 Check at November 05, 2009 03:22 PM (NKMZD)

Just curious but how many seniors read the HQ?
Other than Dave in Texas of course. Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2009 03:02 PM (FCWQb)

What's the cut off age to be a senior?

Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at November 05, 2009 03:23 PM (3IZGh)

32 Bad news out of Ft. Hood, Texas: seven dead, a dozen wounded in a mass shooting incident. Just breaking on Fox News & local tv stations.

Posted by: stuiec at November 05, 2009 03:23 PM (rBLs5)

33 There are no death panels in this bill, you gap-toothed, inbred, hillbilly racists.

However, we have Room-temperature Committees....

Posted by: SanFranNan at November 05, 2009 03:23 PM (r8/Km)

34 Careful, Drew. Those dentures are sharp.

But when you shake his hand, you realize how soft and smooth it is. One might almost say, feminine.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2009 03:23 PM (FCWQb)

35 "I would like to see a Republican demanding that they cut the money from the Seniors in this bill or before it. Pass the cuts first."

Anytime they talk, they lose. The Reps put their plan out there and cut off the talking point that they don't have a better way to solve the problem. There is nothing that can be gained from any one of them opening their mouth. Let the Dems continue to dig their own grave and let the teabaggers handle putting pressure on Congress.

Posted by: Just Another Poster at November 05, 2009 03:24 PM (NgoAe)

36 They'll essentially "cut" Medicare by the hidden rationing systems.

Yeah...if they let you die of something treatable when you're 50, you'll never need Medicare.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 05, 2009 03:24 PM (NtiET)

Someguy: Its a two-fer. Yes, you have to sceam that they are cutting medicare and medicaid. Especially for the 2010 elections, when Seniors are a higher voting block than in Presidential elections. But you need to scream deficiet because that is one of your stronger narratives for 2012.

You can glaze a voters eyes over with CBO scores, actual cost vs. projected costs,etc. etc. The average voter, however, understands the basic prinicipal that you can not, for a sustained period of time, spend more than you take in. Tie in the fact that most of our debt is held by either China or Saudi Arabia, and I think you have a real strong issue here. I often thought that great campaign commercial for the RNC would be a picture of the chart showing the increase in our interest payments over the years, with a montage of all the really nice things that those interest payments have afforded the Saudis.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 05, 2009 03:24 PM (V9SYy)

38 Sorry, I'm way past surprised anymore.

This will the final entitlement that breaks the Republic.

Not even the estimated revenue from Crap&Tax will pave over this sinkhole.

||||||||

Time to buy more ammo.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 05, 2009 03:25 PM (lYKj1)

39 Shep reporting "massive shooting at Ft Hood Army base"

Posted by: curious at November 05, 2009 03:25 PM (p302b)

40 OT but there's been a shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas. So far, 7 reported dead. Shooter in custody.

Posted by: Tami at November 05, 2009 03:25 PM (VuLos)

41 Third World, here we come.

Posted by: katya at November 05, 2009 03:26 PM (RbvF+)

42 Yeah...if they let you die of something treatable when you're 50, you'll never need Medicare. ?? Are they going to poison the weed supply ??

Posted by: Jean at November 05, 2009 03:27 PM (5ddCw)

43 _{en fuego}

Posted by: that guy that whispers en fuego at November 05, 2009 03:28 PM (PD1tk)

44 Other than Dave in Texas of course.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 05, 2009 03:02 PM (FCWQb)

I heard somewhere that TexasJew last sucked on his momma's teet during the Civil War.

I guess it's a Texas thing.

Posted by: Not My Name at November 05, 2009 03:28 PM (pUfK9)

45 How the hell did anybody get off that many rounds on a fricking military base?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 05, 2009 03:28 PM (5aa4z)

46 Fox reporting: 2 Shooters...only one in custody. 7 dead, 12 injured.

Posted by: Tami at November 05, 2009 03:29 PM (VuLos)

47 What!? You mean they lied about the cost!? No way.

Posted by: The Most Hirsute Man In the World at November 05, 2009 03:29 PM (mkihu)

48 Oh sure, start posting sensitive news about Texas as I'm knocking on the Texans. Geeze.

Posted by: Not My Name at November 05, 2009 03:29 PM (pUfK9)

49
They'll never cut medicare

Yes they will. And Socialist Security, and Medicaid.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 05, 2009 03:14 PM (5aa4z)

The one area that will immediately effect millions is the Veteran's medical system. I asked my Congresscrunt what would be the impact on the VA system, and he had no answer, but with a promise to get to the truth, I am still waiting on the dweeb for an answer. Who's the critter, Ron Klein, D-Florida.

Posted by: Fish at November 05, 2009 03:30 PM (6mfq0)

50 Fox reporting that shooters were in fatigues. Ft. Hood on lock down as are surrounding schools.

Posted by: Tami at November 05, 2009 03:32 PM (VuLos)

51 ?? Are they going to poison the weed supply ??

Too subtle.

If X% of people who need a bypass but don't get one die within six months of a heart attack, you can reduce the number of bypass procedures performed by X% by requiring those who need one to wait six months. (And they won't be asking for any other medical procedures, either!) Brilliant!

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 05, 2009 03:33 PM (NtiET)

52 How the hell did anybody get off that many rounds on a fricking military base?

The arms and ammo are stored in company arms rooms....vaults. Not to mention the restrictions on storage of soldier-owned firearms.

You'd be safer from mass-shooters while unarmed in a Texas city (with shall-issue CCW) than on any Army base in the US.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 05, 2009 03:36 PM (r8/Km)

53 Possibly 3 shooters, in camo. Unknown if they were wearing "I'm with Allah" or "Infowars.com Rox!" t-shirts.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at November 05, 2009 03:36 PM (5aa4z)

54 #45
Believe it or not most military bases are gun free zones.

Posted by: Insurance Industry at November 05, 2009 03:37 PM (sV3Dv)

55 The only way AARP would have signed up to this is that they have a secret handshake that the 800 or 900 billion dollars would not actually be taken from their programs, it is just a shell game.

The AARP ceased to have its membership's best interests at heart some years ago. The AARP management is interested in increasing its own wealth, period, end of story.

I know a lot of retired folks who hate that organization with a white hot passion.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 05, 2009 03:39 PM (HLug1)

56 Oopps #54 was mine damn you sock puppets!

Posted by: RobD at November 05, 2009 03:40 PM (sV3Dv)

57 How the hell did anybody get off that many rounds on a fricking military base?

In the late 70's it was common for gate guards to carry weapons but be issued no ammo. If some perp wanted a nice full auto M-16, they'd drive up, stick a loaded gun in the guard's face and get one in a jiffy. If they brought their own ammo and mags, then they'd be ready to rock.

Someone stated that bases are gun free zones. Not all that far from the truth.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 05, 2009 03:46 PM (HLug1)

58 curious,

you're kind of dumb. maybe this site is too high-level for you.

Posted by: ace at November 05, 2009 03:50 PM (NtQzs)

59 "There are no death panels in this bill."

Yes, there are. On page 1,426.

You obviously skipped reading that page, or you'd see the section labeled "Death Panel Creation and Funding." Go re-read the bill again. I've read it. You haven't.

And neither has anybody else, so it doesn't matter whether the bill contains real death panels or not.

"They're cutting Medicare. They're killing grandma and we must stop them."

That would be effective. Whinging about the cost won't be effective.

Posted by: someguy at November 05, 2009 04:24 PM (VRJIW)

60 "It is a fair question to ask if we are too generous to the elderly at the expense of the young. There is not a self-evident answer. Perhaps Obama and Pelosi could make that case."

I'm all for phasing out Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. However, the current bunch of seniors have spent their whole lives paying into this system and should continue to receive their benefits. In essence, we took their money and promised them they'd see the return in their old age. The young (myself included) should have the opportunity to pull out of these programs and need to start being a bit more self-reliant. Invest in IRAs, 401Ks and HSAs. Your health and financial well-being, while you are young AND while you are old, is YOUR responsibility, not everyone else's.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 05, 2009 04:29 PM (MK6Kx)

61

Sorry, but I think it will cost 1.8T per year.

As a starting point.

Because Democrats don't give a shit, and they're incredibly dumb and unprincipled.

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