1
How is Michelle Bachman's protest going, today?

2
I think a million of us should march on Washington holding signs that read: YOU'RE MAKING THINGS WORSE!

3 The First Amendment means what we say it means. Now, are you in or are you out, minnion?

4 To not want to pay more in premiums for less health insurance is un-American.

5 The whole thing is sheer lunacy. The Repubs plan makes that plain.
The Republicans should start running an ad from now till next election that has a huge hand reaching out towards the screen, grabbing, with Democratic Party listed underneath. The whole Democratic agenda is just grab and control whatever they can.

6 To oppose the concept of paying more money to the government in exchange for less insurance is racist. You heard me, it was racist. Now kneel to me, you foul underbelly of a pig.

7 I think you linked the wrong article Ace.............

8 At what point do they qualify as tyrants? I'm pretty damned sure it's short of the setting up death camps stage.

9
Speaking of the Constitution...

Obama remarked last week how proud he was to have a partner in Speaker Pelosi.

Is that what the Founders intended, for the Executive branch and the Legislative branch to form a partnership? I know they're not supposed to be adversaries, but I thought these branches were supposed to be independent of one another in order to check and balance each other?

10 How can an industry with like 500 different companies have an anti trust violation?

11
Just try and stay out of my way. Just try! I'll get you, my pretty and your little dog too!

12

Reuters:

Democrats on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee ignored a Republican boycott and used their majority to approve the legislation that would require U.S. industry to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases 20 percent by 2020, from 2005 levels.

"I think this is a great signal for Copenhagen that there's a will to do what it takes to advance this issue," committee Chairman Barbara Boxer told reporters after her panel voted

13
And our representatives are sent to Washington to speak for the people of their district, not to rubber-stamp the whims and wishes of the Executive.

In that sense, the reps are supposed to play an adversarial to the Executive, not be the Exec's friggin' partner.

14 That's a nice insurance company ya got there, it'd be a shame if something happened to it

15 "Hey, insurance industry.  Nice little business ya got there.  It'd be a shame if something bad were to happen to it.  You know, like an accident.  Or an antitrust investigation."

16 When the colonies revolted over the Stamp Act it wasn't the cost but the principle.  Where are the people of principle now?

17 So I guess Queen Nan and Court Jester Harry have decided to use threats where lies and bribery have failed?

18 So let me get this straight. Pelosi and her fellow-travelers are going to investigate the concept of Capitalism as a monopoly, crowding out the competition of Socialism?

19 Holy shit Canada is looking good right now.

20 Pelosi is about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face.

21 Who's that bitch sayin she's me?

22

"I think this is a great signal for Copenhagen that there's a will to do what it takes to advance this issue,"

Godless whore..really

Going back to work now...really

23 Hey we are not that chicken!

24 They won't cover my botox treatments.  They are so PWN3D.

25 Ya know, put me back together and I'd make a better Speaker

26 The First Amendment means what I say it means!  Now get me another injection!

27 how many industries in the last 10 mths have the gvt threatened at this point?

28

I swear that woman is an idiot.

Remember that fucked up press conference she gave (last year?) where she could barely put two fuckin words together.

But let's let this stupid ass ram through screwed up legislation that completely reinvents an entire industry, and let's not debate the bill she wants to shove up our asses.

What a despicable twat that bitchwhore is.

29 There was an insurance manager on the Mark Levin show yesterday (or Tuesday); he read the bill, and said that it requires insurance companies to carry a "loss ratio" of 85%, or they will be penalized, or they must lower their rates, or something to that effect.
A loss ratio is how much the insurer pays out in claims versus how much they get in premiums. Example: they get $100 million in premiums, pay out $60 million in claims = loss ratio of [$60 mil / $100 mil =] 60%.
A 60% loss ratio is the highest that many states allow before they require the insurance company to raise premiums, because above 60% is considered too risky.
Now the geniuses who engineered the housing bubble through policies that punish proper risk management are now doing the same thing to insurance companies. This guy estimated that most companies would collapse within a year or two.
Essentially, PelosiCare makes the insurers operate with incredibly thin margins, knowing they will collapse and leave the whole game to the govt.

30 Anyone else find it interesting that Obama, when given the chance, did not "endorse" the Pelosi bill but rather praised it (and her) for "moving the process along"? If this is a sure thing in terms of passage (which begs the question why not pass it Friday?) why wouldn't he endorse it, given that it has to be exactly what he wants in a final bill?

Probably reaching here, but Obama's distance seems a bit too obvious, too strategic (in light of NJ) and Pelosi's doubling down so soon after Tuesday seems like a recipe for a fail. What exactly are they doing? Why jam the whole hog through hole and choke when you can enjoy it one bite at a time? Very strange indeed.

31 @27, Let's see:

1. Financial
2. Cars
3. Drugs
4. Doctors
5. Insurance

mmmm, Lawyers have been left out

32 Stop!  Stop right there, this government has gotten silly.  It started off as a nice bit of representative government, but now its just silly.

33 There's some trickeration going on here.

When did "the insurance industry" (besides AARP) flip? This is their Congress, their President. They were all in for this round of "reform" until very recently. It benefits them more than anyone else outside Washington.

Maybe offering themselves up as a false enemy of "reform," for the anti- side to latch onto and get spun as shills for "big business," is playing ball.

Obamacare is theirs. They bought it. They can't be serious.

34 Where are the people of principle now?

Posted by: Mike H at November 05, 2009 02:40 PM (cvvNY)

Waiting for a few more slow learners to catch up.

35 Mike H., and I'm just getting warmed up!

36

She is copying the tactic of the WH a few days ago. The legal definition of this is extortion but they figure they can get away with it because they have “limited immunity” for actions arising out of legislation debate.

 

Calling this an action rising out of debate is a whole new level of big lie.   But she will get away with it. Big Business CEOs have fewer balls than the Republican party Bosses.  The ALL somehow figure they will be able to wangle a “deal” that will get them and edge over their competitors and in the end they all get eaten.

37 Nazi Pelosi is a worthless scrunt.

38 The only thing missing is having to kneel and avert your eyes when you see them now. You already pretty much have to tug your forelock.

39 so we have crap and tax next, how many industries will that destroy?

40 "The real issue is that Obama and Pelosi are using the power of Congress to muzzle the speech of a private sector industry, First Amendment be damned. It couldn't be more blatant."

They're coming unhinged since their ideology is their religion and to deny their wishes to control us is, in their minds, blasphemy. This won't end well I'm afraid - one side will have to blink first and soon or we will reach a tipping point that's difficult to remedy. Obama's stoking this too, which may have been his plan all along.

41 So let me get this straight. Pelosi and her fellow-travelers are going to investigate the concept of Capitalism as a monopoly, crowding out the competition of Socialism?

Think of it as a combination of a show trial and a two-minute hate.

42 Mr. Pink, not funny. It's so close !

43 I hate these people.

44

Next it will be the chemical industry!  They do nothing but pollute the environment and poison our children!  I'm going to destroy the chemical industry FOR THE CHILDREN!  Then it will be the timber industry!  They cut down trees and kill those poor widdle spotted owls!  Timber must be banned!  FOR THE CHILDREN!

OMG I need another injection, my cheek is falling off!

45 I hope those frogs in the insurance industry are enjoying the ride they have been giving to the scorpions of Congress.

Wasn't is Lenin who said that capitalists will sell the Revolution the ropes it will use to hang them?

46 Here is the correct link:

http://tinyurl.com/yz6r3bz

47

#40

This won't end well I'm afraid - one side will have to blink first

I'm calling it now - Nancy wins. She can't blink if she wanted to.

48 My but that Tree of Liberty is looking awfully thirsty lately.

49 Zero and Botox eyegore are in the process of taking the model T engine that is the GOP and are converting it to a blown hemi top fuel mill. Keep it up, Heh.

50 So let me get this straight. Pelosi and her fellow-travelers are going to investigate the concept of Capitalism as a monopoly, crowding out the competition of Socialism?

Posted by: krakatoa at November 05, 2009 02:40

THREAD WINNER!!!

and 1st to go to the "camps"

P.S. Nancy, I know where this cat lives. Any reward?

51

They're coming unhinged since their ideology is their religion and to deny their wishes to control us is, in their minds, blasphemy. This won't end well I'm afraid - one side will have to blink first and soon or we will reach a tipping point that's difficult to remedy.

THREAD WINNER

52 39 so we have crap and tax next, how many industries will that destroy?

Posted by: willow at November 05, 2009 02:50 PM (1kwr2)

Dunno, who's left?

53 How very "V" of her

54 I was thinking a large part of Pelosi's problem is that she is the country's Speaker of the House, yet she is acting like the whole world is San Francisco.  It's like she doesn't get it that she is handling the interests of more than just the loons in her district.

55 Did the CBO socre the costs of PelosiCare with or without the effects of this measure? I am betting, without. So Nancy threatened the insurance industry and the taxpayers get to pick up the tab - thanks.

56 i feel like that drinking with bob guy.. What's next!

57 My, what petty thugs the Dem leadership turns out to be.

58 Ace: "If there are antitrust questions here, shouldn't they be investigated either way?

Why yes, yes they should. Don't you get it, dude? As long as the insurance boys enjoy an antitrust exemption, they are owned. They're Pelosi's bitch.

They can't have it both ways. The anti-trust exemption allows the insurance industry to fix prices, and have double-digit increases in premiums. It's made insurance executives filthy fucking rich.

There's nothing wrong with that, per se, but it 'ain't free enterprise. The anti-trust exemption is legal collusion. I have no sympathy at all for the insurance industry being unable to control their bought Congressman who have fixed their market to prevent competition.

The insurance boys should man up and compete, freely and with no exemption ... or they should take Pelosi's fucking right up the ass and quit whining about it. They climbed in bed with that fucking bitch, after all.

59 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.

60

Wasn't is Lenin who said that capitalists will sell the Revolution the ropes it will use to hang them?

Keynes said pretty much the same thing in 'The End of Lazzie-Faire', that economies will just be socialistic in the end and that capitalism is just a road there.

61

They climbed in bed with that fucking bitch, after all.

Yea, but no one warned us she was wearing a strap-on or we would have thought twice about it.

62 I have been told that the profits from health insurance are so puny that without some immunity from the anti-trust laws that no insurance company would bother to offer it. I don't really know if thats the case, but if true, Pelosi is threatening to put them out of business, which is her aim anyway. Fucking whore.

63 Zero and Botox eyegore are in the process of taking the model T engine that is the GOP and are converting it to a blown hemi top fuel mill. Keep it up, Heh.

Posted by: maddogg at November

And just as likely that nitro monster will blow itself to pieces at half track.

64

I thought these branches were supposed to be independent of one another in order to check and balance each other?

That would be bipartisan.

65 kratos is right. in the end there will be..

66 Gonna be an interesting weekend .

67 When I was twelve, I helped my daddy build a bomb shelter in our basement because some fool voted a dozen commies in office in Washington. Well, the 2008 election parked a coupla hundred commies in Washington and and no one would know anything about it till it is all over.

68 Apparently, Congress repealed extortion laws when we weren't looking.

69 oblig.: They may have bought in at first when they thought they'd be getting nothing more than a mandated additional 30+ million customers, many of whom would be paid for by a check from the government. Also, many of them probably viewed it as an inevitability vis a vis last years' elections. They were just trying to get the best deal out of the way things were going that they could.

However, seeing that the Dems have fallen hard and fast and the "reform" is not a fait accompli, coupled with the fact that they probably were put some knowledge about what happens to private insurers when you get a "robust public option" thrown into the mix, and the figured that they were wrong. They want out, and feel the need to put another weight on the "no" side of the scales.

70 There's a whole lot of bitch slappin' that needs to take place in our Nation's capital.

71

so we have crap and tax next, how many industries will that destroy

 We haven’t lost all yet. It can still be blocked using the cloture rules provided the RINOs from our “big tent” don’t join them.

72 I bet the NFL, NBA and MLB are lookin' nervous about now...

73

And just as likely that nitro monster will blow itself to pieces at half track.

Mebbe, but I think Sarah would look hawt in a skin tight fire suit, nonetheless

74 Listen, I'm a politician which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops. But now I've given up kissing babies, I'm just into stealing...

75 Justice will be done, Nancy.  It may not be until in the afterlife, but it will come.  I'll bet Teddy's finding that out now.

76 Vic, a moment of hope, thank you, You're right, they haven't won it all yet.

77 @71

so we have crap and tax next, how many industries will that destroy

 We haven’t lost all yet. It can still be blocked using the cloture rules provided the RINOs from our “big tent” don’t join them.

Hey, is that a phone ringing in the outer office. Someone pick it up. I'm expecting a call from History.

78 Dede would have single handedly stood up to this. But no, you pricks had to........(vomits)

79

If you play ball we won't look into it, if you don't, we will?

Right.

And afterwards, either way, the antitrust issues will still be there. So there'll be more opportunities to "play ball" than a Major League Baseball franchise enjoys in five typical seasons.

80 I'm about to bust a big dent in the goddamned big tent

81 Nan:  "The First Amendment?  You aren't serious."

82 Well, I guess public threats of killing your whole fuckin' industry, is pretty transparent.

83 Justice being taken away, then, what are kingdoms but great robberies?

84 Speaking of big tents...uh.......nevermind.

85

Sooo, when will the go after: Gov't worker unions, Teamsters, Teachers, SEIU, UAW, UAW, etc..

 

86

What is this apparent linkage? If you play ball we won't look into it, if you don't, we will?

This is what feral governments do.  Laws, to feral governments, are merely tools that exist for the government to build and exercise arbitrary power.  That's the beauty of the whole setup.

This situation isn't going to get any better, either.  Once a government has gone feral, willing to be so open and blatant about their stupidity, lies, and criminality, there's no turning back.  This government will not be domesticated again.  The only real solution that remains available is to leave this wild animal, because it will savagely consume anything that falls under its claimed powers. 

87 The bitch needs mutilating beyond what she's done to herself already.

88 Madam Mao-Pelosi,

I would so like to date you.  Please meet me at my house right away.

89 How can an industry with like 500 different companies have an anti trust violation?

Keep talking like that bud and I'll make sure you'll be spending a lot of quality time at Club Fed for something.

90

It is all doom a gloom in here with apocalyptic prophecies of the evil socialistic Obama government takeover.  “Mwuhahahaha” says Pelosi.  Most of the world wouldn’t trade places with us in a heartbeat so far as healthcare is concerned; why is that, I wonder?  Everyone in here holds capitalism up on this great plateau and defends it with statements like “I don’t want the Government in control of anything” and “what has the government ever done that was right” you know, garbage like that.  If things went your way, when your house gets broken into and you call the police, true capitalism would take over and before the police come to your house the 911 operator would get your credit card information before putting in the call.  We all have decided that we would rather contribute together and pay taxes for police to ensure they are there when we need them; not just when we have the money to pay for it.  Healthcare should be no different, whatever the cost may be. We live in a social-democracy already; much like the UK, France, Germany and Canada.   You call Great Britain a “socialist country” but they simply are not.  Their citizens own property, have individual rights, can gather their own wealth and keep it.  That by definition is not socialism. They are a democracy looking out for basic social needs of its people.  When you buy a loaf of bread at the store, it was made by a private company that makes bread for a profit. This is not complicated in any way.   Healthcare for all does not equal socialism, period.

91 I wish one Ins. Exec. would cash in all his stocks and bounes etc...and quit. Hire a band, free booze, and stand naked at a podium and proclaim..."my industry is fucked, and so are you!". "Quit paying your premiums now..and if your boss pays now, well your industry will be outlawed soon too." "I'm off to the Islands, you all say hi to the 52%'ers when ya get to the camps, scmucks".

92 Why do the Donks keep trying to do things the public does not want?  I don't that.  What's the rationale?  Pleasing San Francisco?

93

...don't get that...  As it were.

94

Posted by: willis at November 05, 2009 03:42 PM (pt6eF)

We have a Constitution that defines the limits of the federal government, numbnuts.  If you love the UK, then move there, because you clearly have not a clue what the foundation of the US is.  But ... idiots like you are going to win this.  You will achieve your goals and kill this great nation.  It is a real shame, but the unfortunate truth is that it is much easier to destroy a complex system than to build or maintain it.

I will be with the states that want to live and break off from this fetid mess of a feral government.  If people like you try to infiltrate our borders, we will treat them as true international borders should be treated and you will not make it to the fence. 

As to your love of Democracy (which is very much what the UK is), our Founders despised the notion of Democracies, as they are suicidal entities, which is why they fashioned for us a Constitutional Republic.  And your UK would not even exist were it not for the US.  You people would all still be living under Nazi or Soviet style totalitarianism, if you were alive, at all. 

95 Most of the world wouldn’t trade places with us in a heartbeat so far as healthcare is concerned; why is that, I wonder?

Because you can get healthcare on demand here...unlike most of europe where there are long waiting lists even for routine tests you can get done at a walk-in clinic here.

The idea of waiting 6-9 months for a diagnostic test to see if you have cancer is not too appealing to me. 

If you force that on people, expect a lot more to "go postal" when it turns out they did have a cancer that now has become untreatable because of the lengthy delay.

A dying man has nothing to lose taking his vengeance out on those who effectively killed him.

96   Healthcare for all does not equal socialism, period.

Posted by: willis at November 05, 2009 03:42 PM (pt6eF)

And with that one sentence, you completely negate anything you may have said previously.

97

One again..doom and gloom.  You forget that most countries in Europe don't have as much cancer as we do in the first place.  You can attribute that to preventative medicine; something we don't practice here in the good ol US.  Why?  Because there is no money in prevention.  The money is in the "cure."  When you can't drop people and discontinue coverage because of the cost; it just naturally makes scense to head it off at the pass to prevent expensive treatment.  That's something you won't ever see in our system.

98

You forget that most countries in Europe don't have as much cancer as we do in the first place.  You can attribute that to preventative medicine; something we don't practice here in the good ol US. 

Preventative medicine stopping cancer?  Are you insane or just stupid?

Why?  Because there is no money in prevention.  The money is in the "cure." 

And where do you think most of those socilized systems get their cures from, on the cheap?  They draft off of us because just about all medical advances are made only for the profit in the US health care market, you blithering idiot.

When you can't drop people and discontinue coverage because of the cost; it just naturally makes scense to head it off at the pass to prevent expensive treatment.  That's something you won't ever see in our system.

Posted by: willis at November 05, 2009 04:10 PM (pt6eF)

First of all, I don't even believe you are American.  Second of all, you have no idea what you're talking about.  Thirdly, you are babbling incoherently.  Let the socialized European systems only use medical advancements that are developed for their markets and see how they will be doing.

You liberals/Europeans/third worlders are just too dumb for words.

99

 You can attribute that to COERCED preventative SOCIAL POLICIES.

 No, don't thank me for fixing your fucked up drivel.

100

progressoverpeace,  Feel free to break off from the union...that sure is patriotic.  I don't like the majority rule so I want to break off and make my own rules. Good luck!

"We have a Constitution that defines the limits of the federal government" Purple Avenger  ... and you forget, the responsibilities of the federal government as well. 

"and promote the general welfare"  -The Constitution

 

I would say the health of a nation's people would fall under the catagory of general welfare.

101 I don't like the majority rule so I want to break off and make my own rules. Good luck!

Posted by: willis at November 05, 2009 04:21 PM (pt6eF)

We don't have "majority rule" you nitwit.  That was the whole point of our Constitution.  When the federal government violates the Constitutional restrictions, then that pact is null and void.

Of course, you won't understand what I just wrote. 

102

"and promote the general welfare"  -The Constitution

 

I would say the health of a nation's people would fall under the catagory of general welfare.

Posted by: willis at November 05, 2009 04:21 PM (pt6eF)

More idiocy.  From the guy who actually wrote the Constitution:

"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them.  To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."

-- James Madison

Of course, I don't expect you to understand what "qualified by the detail of powers connected with them" means.  You just don't have the brain power.

103

Sure preventative medicine can stop cancer...by relieving people of the hard choice of "can I afford to go to the doctor and get this weird thing checked out before massive treatment is nessesary and more importantly...before it becomes cancer"...idiot.  Try all you like fuck heads but the bottom line is this...you are all very selfish people who would rather let other people die than sacrafice one precious dime.  Spit on the less fortunate and piss on their kids for being born to them should be your party's motto.  All 20% of you.

104 The Congressional antitrust exemption for carriers generally allows the carriers to set prices for how much they pay for a prodecure and price fix (aka negotiate) prices with doctors and hospitals.  Typically, clinics agree to accept the prices the carrier provides, negotiate something that works or typically the carrier won't pay for care provided by that clinic. 

The typical fine print here is providers and carriers work together to figure out how much to increase fees because of inflation AND cost shifting for underpaying Medicare, SCHIP and Medicaid programs, plus government mandates for what needs to be covered -- like paying for maternity care for those past menopaus.  Whenever Congress or state governments expand these underpaying welfare programs and increase mandates, carriers and clinics cost shift the unpaid portion of care to those with insurance.   For example, one can expect the recent expansion of SCHIP to be the major part of increases in health care premiums. 

It's not a functional marketplace by any means, with government meddling of one sort or another being the cause of the dysfunction.

105

I would say the health of a nation's people would fall under the catagory of general welfare.

Posted by: willis at November 05, 2009 04:21 PM (pt6eF)

Most liberal idiots would to justify their own ends.

106

Sure preventative medicine can stop cancer...by relieving people of the hard choice of "can I afford to go to the doctor and get this weird thing checked out before massive treatment is nessesary and more importantly...before it becomes cancer"...idiot. 

Nothing "stops" cancer, you moron.  And if you think that, for instance, women get more mammograms elsewhere in the world then you are just delusional.  And if you think that most cancer treatments would have appeared and been available to those socialized treatments if the US system had not paid for the research and development of them then you are off your rocker and living in la la land - which you seem to be.  But, you seem to be making some sort of case that benign tumors get removed in the socialized systems more than here.  LOL.

Try all you like fuck heads but the bottom line is this...you are all very selfish people who would rather let other people die than sacrafice one precious dime.  Spit on the less fortunate and piss on their kids for being born to them should be your party's motto.  All 20% of you.

Posted by: willis at November 05, 2009 04:35 PM (pt6eF)

Yes, we are very selfish.  Go away.  The UK is beckoning.  They want you to go there and be part of the community and one who wants to be subject to "majority rule" rather than have a Constitutionally limited and well-defined government.

107 Yaaay, P/S is back. I see that ban time didn't get ya no learnin'.

108 To me it means that the Constitution is set up to provide a framework by which the government may set up a system in which ALL of it's citizens have the OPPORTUNITY to grow and prosper, not just the ones that can afford it.

109 The UK healthcare? What are they gonna do, sew your f'ng head on after the moooslims lop it off for....well no reason really.

110 108 To me it means that the Constitution is set up to provide a framework by which the government may set up a system in which ALL of it's citizens have the OPPORTUNITY to grow and prosper, not just the ones that can afford it.

Posted by: willis at November 05, 2009 04:51 PM (pt6eF)

Everyone has the opportunity.  You are calling for the government to provide the growth and prosperity to those who haven't used the opportunities given to them or have failed, for whatever reason.  We do not insure equality of outcome.  You are more of a marxist than an American.  I still don't believe that you are an American, anyway.  You know too little about our nation.  Did you grow up in Indonesia, by any chance?

111

Let's legislate poor life choices 1st. Any link between abortion and Uteran/Breast cancer? Outlaw smoking, but there goes kids health program cash. Make people wear helmets in cars, but there goes organ donors.

 And put willlie in charge of this shit to make it "fair".

Fuck fair. If life was fair, I'd be dead a long time ago. That's why I laugh and fart in the general direction of people who say this shite.

112 I can't wait until Pelosi is frog-marched out.

113 And who says the Mob is dead?

114

@58,62 -- 104 has it.  The only thing I'd add is that the exemption is for all insurance products, not just health insurance.

The exemption is actually good for us, as if it didn't exist, each insurance company would have to come up with their own actuarial data.  The smaller the sample, the less accurate it is, meaning there's a higher risk of one or both of the following:

a)  The insurance company needs to charge more to cover greater uncertainty in their risk model

b)  The insurance company underestimates the risk, doesn't collect enough in premiums, and then fails when claims outstrip money to pay them.

115 Let this be a lesson to all the companies that have played ball with Obama & Pelosi and ALL the Leftwing Loons, thinking the Loons would go after the next guy but not them.

116 Wait a Minute! Wait a Minute! Is Nancy Pelosi the president and congress, because that's sure the fuck what it looks like.

117

Nancy, you stupid, delusional, San-Francisco coffee clatchin',  leftard bitch, youy fucked up, authoritarian, utopian, unconstituitonal  Pelosicare plan IS dire consequences all by itself.

It will cost too much. it will lower the quality of care and it will cause people to die. It is evil, wrong, ineffectual in it's stated goals, and a bad idea designed to make this country suck like Europe so insane busy bodies can falsely  feel good about themselves for a week. The fact that you have to lie about the plan to have any hope of passing it is just an idicator of how awful it is and how ashamed you should be to have your name anywhere near it.

Enjoy the limelight while you can Nancy. You might not be speaker for much longer.

118 You forget that most countries in Europe don't have as much cancer as we do in the first place.  You can attribute that to preventative medicine...

Or even more likely...differences in reporting methodology.  The US tends to over report, others tend to under report due to reporting methodology differences.

Of course you already knew that, and chose to go with the propaganda approach rather than the truth ;->  Typical.

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