1 That's the kind of squishiness that I could fall in love with.

2 Government liquor stores - WTF?

3

If a lower tax, anti-Planned Parenthood and drilling for oil agenda means you are moving to the center, Ich bein ein moderate!

Awesome line Drew!

4 Conservative agenda? Never heard of it.

5 I love moderates!

6 It's WaPo. Nobody expects them to be consistent or fair.

7 Government liquor stores - WTF?

I think Virginia is beer and wine in stores but a state package store for the hard stuff.

8 Being a liberal media outlet means never having to say you are sorry.

Or report facts.

9 Seconding Mallamutt.

Why the F-ck is the state of Virgina running liquor stores!??

10 Ich bein ein moderate!

I leg a moderate?

<flips furiously through AoS codebook.>

11 Ich bein ein moderate!

Gezunteit!

12

If McDonnell is a moderate, what does that make Obama?

13 Mallamutt -- when Prohibition was repealed, the states were recognized to have the power to regulate liquor sales, and a number of states -- Virginia and my own Maryland among them -- chose to mandate that hard liquor be sold only in state-owned stores. Such stores are sometimes known by the name "package stores." The states can also regulate beer & wine sales -- which is why in Virginia a 7-11 and a grocery store can sell wine and beer, but in Maryland they can't.

14 Privatize liquor stores? Meaning the state owns them right now? What. The. Hell?

How did the state get in the liquor business to begin with? That's just creepy.

15 @11

For chrissakes, COVER YOUR MOUTH!!! 

16 I think Virginia is beer and wine in stores but a state package store for the hard stuff.

Same with PA. It's called the Liquor Control Board here. They're a partially privatized, partially govt  thingy owned by a single family that essentially maintains a monopoly by force over the distribution of liquor and wine in PA. It can only be sold in state-owned stores and has a very limited selection.

It's pathetic. I do my liquor and wine shopping in NJ for this reason. Transporting the goods back over state lines, however, is illegal.

GO GOVERNMENT! FREEDOM!

17 Why the F-ck is the state of Virgina running liquor stores!??

Posted by: Col. Hans Landa at November 05, 2009 02:17 PM (RwvN1)

Same reason I rob banks.

18 Ahh, thx sissoed.

19

RINO.

True conservatives are far NO tax, mandatory parenthood, and coal mining.

20 Ich bein ein moderate!

I leg a moderate?

Right, like "I leg a liberal, but not nearly as much since we got married."

21 "Tax credits to new businesses" is certainly "moderate," as in not conservative. Conservatives would reduce taxes, not make people jump through government hoops to qualify for "credits." That's lefty economic-retardation Cash-for-Clunkers shit.

And I haven't seen any tea partiers waving EXPAND THE DEATH PENALTY signs. No one waves those. So that's gratuitous "social con" "wedge" junk to keep libertarian types from polluting the party with their economic immoderation.

It's all very pragmatic.

22 If a lower tax, anti-Planned Parenthood and drilling for oil agenda means you are moving to the center, Ich bein ein moderate!

I am a Moderate! Take that Olympia Snowe!

23 Joncelli.. Like same other States, they like it like that.  More State employees to pay.  Of course, they are all union jobs, with all the benefits that state employees get!  That it costs the people more, it is @ State pricing controlled, is besides the point.  Long live  ATF.

24 Careful with that German. I, afterall, am not a donut.

25

privatize the state's liquor stores -- proposals Democrats have opposed in the past.

Wait... who's the fascistic christmonger forcing their sunday moralizations down your throat?

26 WaPo endorses libtard. Libtard loses big, non-RINO wins even bigger. Therefore all actions proposed by non-RINO now equal moderation. Why?

We're the WaPo, we cannot be wrong. It is against the law.

27 Snark aside, I think we should applaud and reinforce this meme.

By all means, let's define this as moderate.

Perception is 9/10's of the battle for the Independent vote.

28

Wow, state run liquor stores. So the state is the entity that is selling you the Valu-Rite. I guess the question is, does the state serve only as a retailer, or is it also the wholesaler (for restuarants, bars, clubs).

And if you have a monopoly on hard liquor, how do you ever run a deficiet. Does the state set the price? So does it become like cigarette taxes are for the rest of the country - the first thing you raise when you want some extra cash. Cause if so, what is good bottle of whiskey running in the State of Virginia, $200 bucks a bottle?

29 9 Seconding Mallamutt.

Why the F-ck is the state of Virgina running liquor stores!??

Posted by: Col. Hans Landa at November 05, 2009 02:17 PM (RwvN1)

Same here in Utah.  All you can buy in the grocery store is 3.2 percent beer.  You have to go to a state run liquor store to buy wine and the hard stuff.  It sucks more than you can even imagine.

30 It's like I've been saying. The liberals are trying to make themselves and their agenda look "moderate" by letting the press attack conservatives as "extremists." In reality, the liberals are the extremists and the conservatives are closer to the center of America.

There is no shame in being a moderate. So long as you understand that moderate America bears a closer resemblance to conservatism than it does to liberalism.

31 Asked for comment, a well known GOP moderate Senator Jim DeMint said "Fuck yeah".

32 Although I must agree @21... someday the GOP has got to wean itself off of promoting welfare. Uh, I mean, tax credits.

33 Same here in Utah.  All you can buy in the grocery store is 3.2 percent beer.

Damn. Even shitty lite beer is around 4.5% i think.

34

3.2 percent beer.

WTF kind of beer do they sell that's 3.2? I know a lot of brands (all the ones I drink) that are higher then that.

Not much, I mean 4.5 or 5.2 but still.

35 Woah.  That agenda is neither conservative nor moderate, just AWESOME.

36
Yeah, but look on the bright side. Pretty soon you'll be able to get a physical at that state-run liquor store.

And register to vote!

37 Ever been to Iceland? All liquor, of any kind, is sold at State Monopoly liquor stores. Even beer.

And as you would expect, it's unbelievably expensive. Worse than Denmark or Norway. Fifteen years ago a six pack of beer costed eighteen USD. I'm not kidding.

38

Nowhere near as bad as enlightned progressive dumps like RI and Mass. where you must by ALL alcohol at liquor stores, most of which are closed Sunday.

How did Ted Kennedy effectively represent these people?

39 #36 Yeah, but look on the bright side. Pretty soon you'll be able to get a physical at that state-run liquor store.

And register to vote!

You'll probably be able to get an abortion there too.

40 Not that WAPO can or should be the arbiter of this, but just what about any of those positions is really "conservative"?  Would they have been conservative in 1970?  Even 1980?  Really?

Which begs the question, am I a right-right conservative?  center-right?  moderate?  I am just pretty sure I'm sane, and that Pelosi-Reid-Schumer-Waxman-Obama are not.

41

someday the GOP has got to wean itself off of promoting welfare. Uh, I mean, tax credits.

Yeah... tax credits are kinda BS. It's a subsidy that comes out of the left pocket instead of the right.

Honestly I'm less concerned with lowering tax rates then I am with lowering spending. 'Starve the beast' has been a miserable failure and GOP politicians have forgotten why they even wanted to lower taxes - now they applaud that it actually raises revenue (which it does).

42

So after spending months trying to portray McDonnell as Neanderthal who wanted to see women barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, they finally get around to noticing that wasn't actually what he campaigned on.

What?  He's not?  Party purity, dammit!  Right now!

43

By all means, let's brand this as the moderate stance!  I'm loving it!

 

The state run booze stores isn't to my liking, but there are ways around that -- white lightning anyone?

44

Government liquor stores - WTF?

I must admit that when I go to other states the local alcohol laws are interesting. Here in the Land Of Fruits And Nuts, you can buy hard liquor in the same store where you buy, well, fruits and nuts. (However, the store must pay an additional license tax to sell alcohol).

 

45

How did Ted Kennedy effectively represent these people?

I think you answered your own question.

46

If a lower tax, anti-Planned Parenthood and drilling for oil agenda means you are moving to the center, Ich bein ein moderate!

But he doesn't support the gold standard.  Therefore he must be purged.

47

white lightning anyone?

Oh, hell no. A frat buddy of mine had a grandpa who was a moonshiner. He handed grandson the secret family receipe for shine and, being a couple of college idiots, we decided to try to make a batch. I thank God I did not wind up being blind.

48

Nowhere near as bad as enlightned progressive dumps like RI and Mass. where you must by ALL alcohol at liquor stores, most of which are closed Sunday.

How did Ted Kennedy effectively represent these people?

Posted by: fiatboomer at November 05, 2009 02:30 PM (0Wf6c)

I don't recall liquor stores being closed on Sunday in Boston, but they are in Connecticut (can't buy alcohol past 9 or on Sunday).  But, you can buy Graves Grain alcohol any time during the week before 9.  That's 190 Proof.

49 when Prohibition was repealed, the states were recognized to have the power to regulate liquor sales, and a number of states -- Virginia and my own Maryland among them -- chose to mandate that hard liquor be sold only in state-owned stores. Such stores are sometimes known by the name "package stores."

I think Pennsylvania operates the same way.

This is something that should be factored into a state's economic freedom.  It may also explain how some of these blue states could become a lot more right wing if the booze flowed at will.

50

'Starve the beast' has been a miserable failure and GOP politicians have forgotten why they even wanted to lower taxes - now they applaud that it actually raises revenue (which it does).

The dirty little secret that the libs won't admit is that "Starve the Beast" failed because the Laffer Curve is real.

51

Here in the Land Of Fruits And Nuts, you can buy hard liquor in the same store where you buy, well, fruits and nuts. (However, the store must pay an additional license tax to sell alcohol).

That I understand. Here in the Land of Lincoln, you have a fee for your state liquor license, a fee for your county liquor license and a fee for your city liquor license (the result, for a single year license will cost about $650). Then, you have a state liqour tax that you are hit with at the wholesale level and the retail level (you pay the tax when you buy the liquor, and then there is another tax on your sale of the liquor. Not just the normal pass along, no, a 2nd tax). You also have a municipal liquor tax. The County spares you the liquor tax, but gets their's with all the permits you need just to open a business.

Yet, according to Warren Buffett, the idiot of Omaha, none of us are taxed enough.

 

52 WTF kind of beer do they sell that's 3.2? I know a lot of brands (all the ones I drink) that are higher then that.

Is that the "three-fifths" beer they sell in Minnesota?

You can get, um, "five-fifths" beer at liquor stores, but grocery stores and quick marts sell "three-fifths" versions.  They have less alcohol.

Again, jacking up the price of booze with supply controls should be exploited by the GOP.  Lasso the moderates.

53 If all those positions are centrist, then shouldn't Obama be pursuing them, he being the most moderate and centrist of all?

54

I thought that The Won reinstated the federal ban on drilling off the coast.  Could be be headed for our first SCOTUS challenge to the commies in this admin?

 

As for the “tax credits” it depends on what they mean by credits. Remember this is a newspaper, therefore liberal. To a liberal any legitimate business expense that is used to subtract from gross income is a “credit” and corporate welfare.

55 I think Virginia is beer and wine in stores but a state package store for the hard stuff.

Same here in Oregon. State-controlled liquor stores. And booze costs a f*ck of a lot more here, mostly due to taxes. A fifth of Johnny Walker Black I can get down in California for $12-13 costs $25 here.

56

Utah: Packaged liquor, wine, and heavy beer (over 3.2%) are available in State Liquor Stores - all of which are closed on Sunday. 

57 @50
Plus one, baby.

58

Same here in Oregon. State-controlled liquor stores. And booze costs a f*ck of a lot more here, mostly due to taxes. A fifth of Johnny Walker Black I can get down in California for $12-13 costs $25 here.

Woo hoo! Another reason to stay in Cali and fight for it!

Oddly enough, I know people in Redding and points north who make the trip to Medford for major purchases (no sales tax in OR, or at least a heck of a lot lower than CA).

59

True conservatives are far NO tax, mandatory parenthood, and coal mining.

In fact we favor getting rid of oil, and powering all cars with nice smoky coal.

Sure, it takes more effort on the part of the driver, but its worth it to ruin the enviroment.

 

60

The governor-elect and other Republicans said they will move quickly to pass bills that will offer tax credits to new businesses, make it easier to open charter schools, authorize oil and gas drilling off the coast and privatize the state's liquor stores -- proposals Democrats have opposed in the past.

--I'm 100% behind this guy now!

(as if I wasn't before)

61

Really - its just time to blowup the tax code. The only idea Guillian had that I liked was his simplified tax code. Get rid of the loopholes, tax credits, tax breaks, etc. Both parties use tax credits as a payoff to the special interests that fund their campaigns. Most tax credits are not used by 90% of the populace and would not be missed. Reduce the corporate tax rate to 15%, have a 3 tier personal tax rate, retain the housing credit (because that is so popular you have no chance in hell of ever getting rid of it), the child tax credit (see above) and maybe a deduction for educational loans.

One page- 30 minutes tops to do you return with increased revenue and reduction in the cost of preparing returns.

62 55 I think Virginia is beer and wine in stores but a state package store for the hard stuff.

Same here in Oregon. State-controlled liquor stores. And booze costs a f*ck of a lot more here, mostly due to taxes. A fifth of Johnny Walker Black I can get down in California for $12-13 costs $25 here.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 05, 2009 02:45 PM (eR37w)

37.99 here in Utah

63 But every state has its quirks. There are no such things as "blue laws" here and you can buy whisky and tequila at the supermarket, but the Nicotine Gestapo has effectively banned smoking in any even remotely defined "public place", increasingly even outdoor ones.

64

In fact we favor getting rid of oil, and powering all cars with nice smoky coal.

Sure, it takes more effort on the part of the driver, but its worth it to ruin the enviroment.

Besides, the particulate matter blocks out the sun and causes global cooling! This theory of the eco-fiends was all the rage in the 1970's--funny how they don't mention it anymore. And yet, during the last wave of brushfires, the heavy smoke in the atmosphere did make summer temperatures in many valley cities noticeably a little bit cooler.

65 Iowa privatized the retailing of liquor in 1987 (but is still the wholesaler).  And now you can buy it at the grocery store from 6 a.m. until 2 a.m. (8 a.m. on Sundays).


_{Suck it, New York.}

66 As a child growing up in Seattle, my father explained communism to me using the Washington state run liquor stores as an illustration. 

67

As a child growing up in Seattle, my father explained communism to me using the Washington state run liquor stores as an illustration. 

Really, my father used my mother as the example. Or as my Mom used to put it, what is your father's is mine....and what is mine is mine.

68

37.99 here in Utah

No fing way - I got a bottle here in Illinois for 27.99.  How many you want?

69 #9 they are running liquor stores because they are a monopoly.

70

white lightning anyone?

Oh, hell no. A frat buddy of mine had a grandpa who was a moonshiner. He handed grandson the secret family receipe for shine and, being a couple of college idiots, we decided to try to make a batch. I thank God I did not wind up being blind.

I had a buddy of mine bring a pint jar of his homemade booze with him when he visited from Arkansas. I barely got through half the jar and every sip i took made me want to vomit it was so strong. Never again.

71 Pennsylvania used to drive me out of my mind. Want to get drinks for a party? Go to 3 different stores. A beer store, a state run liquor store and a grocery store for tonic water or other mixers.

Unless it was Sunday. Then you just had to go to Jersey.

California and Louisiana are the only states I've lived in that have hard liquor in the grocery stores. Texas had beer and wine, but you had to go to a liquor store for anything else.

72 Texas had beer and wine, but you had to go to a liquor store for anything else.

It's still the same way and no beer until after 12 pm on sundays and no hard liquor at all on sunday.

73 And now you can buy it at the grocery store from 6 a.m. until 2 a.m. (8 a.m. on Sundays).

Oh, yeh, in Texas you can't buy it before noon on Sundays. I didn't know that for over 3 years, until one day I tried to buy some beer at 11:45am on a Sunday!

74 I'm surprised the 12 pm sunday rule has lasted so long in Texas. I know a lot of people get pissed off because they forget to buy their beer on saturday and end up missing the first quarter when the Cowboys have an early game because they had to wait until noon to get the beer on Sunday.

75 That explains the desperate people in dark blue running through Walmart at 11:59am on Sundays...

I was always impressed by the laterals to the friend standing in line, though.

76

You guys can’t hold a candle to our screwed up liquor laws here in SC. First off, we have the second highest taxes in the country on beer (AK has the highest).   We also have very high liquor taxes a half-gallon of Crown cost $60.00 locally. We just got rid of the stupid minibottle law.

 

You can not buy beer or liquor anywhere on Sunday in most counties. Your county can hold a referendum and vote in sales after 1:30 pm on Sunday but the restraining (can only sell drinks at Restaurants) must get a special Sunday only license. You must get a separate license for each Sunday you intend to be open and it costs you $200.00 per Sunday. You must also apply a year in advance.  

 

It is insane.

77 Also, liquor is only sold in package stores between sunrise and sunset Mon through Sat. (generally 9 am til 7 pm)

78 Ich bein ein moderate!

You are a jelly moderate??

79

The best thing Republicans can do in the long run is defund leftist organizations.

It's sickening that these groups have been allowed to use our own tax dollars against us. There's nothing more perverse than being forced to fund your enemy's efforts to destroy you.

 

80 "When asked, House Republicans did say they will move to make Planned Parenthood ineligible for state funding"

This is what I was talking about the other day.  Starve liberalism -- no need for extraneous spending.

81

Dear 'newspaper reporter' shit-heads. You stopped reporting, picked a side, and then you spectatcularly lost. Therefore you don't get to decide where the center is anymore. Guess who does? Yep! It's those people who just voted your buddies out  after you called them tea-baggers for most of the year. Heh. That's a bitch eh? Oh well. Enjoy your return to substantial contact with reality as your crazy "progress" dream unravels around you.  Maybe if you do your damned job this time those "rednecks" will have a reason to buy your paper instead of getting their morning news on the internet.

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As far as buying something late in most of MA, good luck unless it's a donut shop or 7-11 equivalent. The state screws over businesses, and then wonders why the tax receipts keep dropping...

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