1 Palin said this plan would be good, and she was right!

2 That's a bingo!

3 It's sad that "Teh One" is more intent on destroying Amercia rather than helping it. Because he could go for this get a win, and we'd get a win. But Noooo.

4

CBO? never heard of it.

5

And exactly how will this help my kids?

6 Offering solutions is no way to fix our problems.

Racists!

7

The wingers in DC are obviously practicing some kinda voo-doo, witchcraft. This sorta thing is not physically or fiscally possible.

 

/sarc

 

8 but will this news get out? seems like the Dinosaur media will spike this story...

9 CBO is racist

10 Hmm, so Obamacare costs $1T and the Republican plan costs -$68B. I wonder which one the Democrats will support? Based on his promises not to add to the deficit, lower costs, and not cut services, Obama himself is going to have to go with the Republican plan...right?

11 Another big win for Sarah! Gamechanger!!!

12 Let me guess. Most of this plan is just getting government out of the way?

13 Shove that up your wrinkled old ass,  Pelosi

14 Freakin' A. This is the 2010 Contract With America. Demand that every elected Representative and Senator sign onto this bill.

15 Costs 61 Billion

Think about that for a minute.  Shirley you can do better.

16

Think about what those fucking Democrats tried to do...

Think about it until you get it...

They tried to force through a plan to nationalize the healthcare industry purposely before any could figure out what they were doing, before anyone had any time to question it.

Those assholes knew that all they were doing was creating more fucking bureaucracy for their "constituents" and had absolutely no care in the world for what would happen.

And the media, which was a branch of the DNC, they purposely misled, purposely created programming to mislead and purposely acted as public relations and communications officers for the DNC to pass this shit.

Unfuckingbelievable.

And there's Newt Gingrich...sliding around on his fat ass sucking up to those cocksuckers. The homey idiot Lindsay Graham, playing kissy face with fascists.

What the fuck.

17 According to the headlines I've seen so far, the only pertinent health care news is that AARP is coming out in support of the Dem plan.

Pretty sure that qualifies as "Dog bites man", but I'm ignorant.

18 But, where is the huge expansion of the federal bureaucracy? Where are the payoffs to all the Democrat constituencies?  I mean come on, without those this just isn't a serious attempt at a solution.

19 They should get on TV right now and talk about this, 61 billion vs 2 trillion!

20 That's great - or at least it would have been if it hadn't been pitched 2 days before the House vote. Seems a little too late to me, but maybe that's part of the plan; force the Dems to vote for Pelosicare when a viable (and infinitely less costly) competing plan exists.

21 This is great, but I can't help but thinking that there will be a barrage of stupid as$ "scandals" involving "conservatives" and airport bathrooms, shoe collections, and distantly-related cousins that will hit the media in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...  with the goal of distracting the public away from a rational alternative to Obamacare. 

22

14 Freakin' A. This is the 2010 Contract With America. Demand that every elected Representative and Senator sign onto this bill.

Sure, we could make demands, but wouldn't it just be easier to kick all the ones who don't sign up outta office next time?

I don't have any snark or even any good analysis for this.  It's just... dynomite

23

Todd

 68 billion doesn't cover my Botox treatments

24 How can you trust the Dems/Libs.  Even after the Bill is signed, there are illegial add on to almost anything the Dems pass.  And who is going to call them out for this. Can there even be a legal challange.  The Dems challange everything and everything that they don't like.

25

But But But...How can we say "where is the republican plan" now??

 

Ahh just fooling with you, we will ignore this like crazy.

26

If there are no Death Panels, there is no reform.^SM

27 /puppet

28

And, it probably covers more of the eleventy billion people who currently don't have coverage than the Donk plan does.

BUT!  (This is important, so pay attention, please):  The Republican plan does not forever enshrine abortion as a federal entitlement, WHICH IS WHAT THIS ENTIRE EXERCISE BY THE DEMS IS ALL ABOUT.

Sorry about the caps, but it's about time that we focused on what's really going on here.  The Donk plan is a fiscal disaster, barely covers more uninsured, ruins health care for the entire country, and guarantees that they'll lose the House and Senate in 2010.  So what could possibly be the motivation for passing it?  Abortion, that's what.  Nothing but abortion, the Most Important, Sacred Right Enshrined in The Constitution.

Am I wrong?

29 Waaaayyyyy too late.

30

Am I wrong?

What about Illegals?

31 Give me Death Panels or give me death!!

32 It's a talking point with no chance of seeing the light of day anytime soon. That said, it would be good to see the details if there ever comes a time when a Republican congress can dust it off and implement it, after vitiating the mutant monster the Democrats will (almost certainly, alas) pass next year.

33 Dinosaur media will spike it, no doubt.  But it will get airplay on Fox and yes, kiddies, Fox's ratings blows all other networks into the stratosphere.  They can cover it up, but it will get out. 

When you think about this, and the staggering costs and control the Dems have in this hellcare plan, there is no doubt in my mind that they are INSANE.  They care nothing for fixing any problems in the system.  It's as plain as day.

34 To paraphrase Pelosi, paraphrasing an evil D-Day (Animal House): Rahming Speed!  They're going to try to pass something this Saturday.

I hate Pelosi 50x more than Obama.  50X!  And no wonder, she represents the most morally sick Congressional District in the nation.

I HATE PELOSI.

35 Dammit, now it looks like Syria is discussing health care on the side of the highway. Sockpuppet fail.

36 Needs more abortion and death panels, but mostly more abortion.

37

Yes, I heard that AARP had *****stunner here**** endorsed this wonderful healthcare plan...

It seems rather stupid for AARP to endorse the wonderful healthcare plan because it's going to pretty much guarantee early death (red pill or blue pill for you?) for their members.  Guess it doesn't matter much when your collective soul belongs to the President.

And we are all going to be paying a monthly tax for abortions.  Yes, all of us will get to put money in the big fat pot for murdering babies in the womb.  We won't be getting healthcare ourselves, but BY GOD the murdering will go on.  Period.

Thank you for highlighting the fact that there are OTHER plans to help reform healthcare that don't involve murdering innocents.

These people have got to go.

 

 

38 This does not help Obama accrue power - dismissed!

39 13: Shove that up your wrinkled old ass,  Pelosi

Hey now!

40
To the ignorant masses, one-trillion sounds like less than sixty-eight-billion.

41

Wait, there is no cutoff to States who limit lawyer fees!

42

If there's no massice govt option, it can't be healthcare reform! If it doesn't expand govt, raise taxes and rob from Medicare Medicaid and SS, it can't possibly work. If there's no huge expansion of bureaucracy, and boatloads of new govt jobs, it can't possibly work to keep getting democrats elected, so what good is it?!!!! This is no plan, it's just plain Cah-Razy...

Right wingers, what are you thinking?

43 What a joke.

Here's your fucking "plan": Heavier subsidies for the insurance oligopolies.

Eh. Who cares? Fuck the American worker. If you can't pay for good health care, then drop fucking dead.

That's your "plan."

44 The CBO put the price tag for the GOP plan at $61 billion, a fraction of the $1.05 trillion cost estimate it gave to the House bill that lawmakers are set to vote on this weekend.

Said fraction: 1/172.  (i.e. the Democrat's plan spends $172 for every $1 the Republican's plan spends.)

45 The Republicans don't have a plan. Where are the new burearcary? Where is the 1000 pages of regulation? Where is the new taxes? Without these three things, it does not fit a progressive definition of plan.

46 it's going to pretty much guarantee early death (red pill or blue pill for you?) for their members.

What interest does AARP in its members living long?  Old people are expensive, and probably annoying to deal with!

47

Hum?

http://tinyurl.com/ybkfyem

48 Speaking of more abortion, under my plan, you're required to pay for them.

http://tinyurl.com/ya7a39c

49 In fairness, it's somewhat disingenuine to call the Dems current proposal 1993 pages: bills are double spaced, with huge margins; on the other hand, this is legislation, not a page-turner novel.

50

Sounds like a good bill at first glance but, it comes from the evil Republicans and not the generous Democrats.  The "One" has not given his approval.

No one outside the blogs will ever hear of it. 

 

The propaganda media will not even mention this as a 15 second announcement. 

The liberal pundits will claim it is wrong for America.

The DNC and the Obamabot will scream that it doesn't do enough

The DNC will announce with authority that it’s all smoke and mirrors. 

The DNC will say it’s too little too late.

The DNC will complain it is not progressive enough and leave too many out.

The trail lawyers will claim it’s an insult to their clients and only good for the doctors.  .

The unions will oppose it, just because it is not part of their agenda.

The unions because it doesn’t provide any bailouts.

SEIU will oppose because it doesn’t increase their authority over everyone.

ACORN supporters will oppose it because they can’t get any free money from it.

The special interest groups will all have excuses for not supporting it.

            PETA because it doesn’t force everyone to giving up meat.

            Enviro’s because it doesn’t reduce pollution from all the cows.

            The race baiters will tell us it’s anti-black or anti-hispanic.

            CAIR will tell us that it doesn’t offer Islamic witchdoctors.

            RAZA will tell us it is anti-immigration.

 

Anybody got any more excuses to assist the Progressives in their campaign to ruin American health care?

 

51 As a dead on arrival (I hope) example of how to be less socialist than the dems it's great.  Fiscally conservative it is not.

52  It is impressive how assiduously the "maximalist base" labors to stuff the pockets of insurance and HMO parasites.

53

And we are all going to be paying a monthly tax for abortions.  Yes, all of us will get to put money in the big fat pot for murdering babies in the womb.  We won't be getting healthcare ourselves, but BY GOD the murdering will go on.

Nope. Being socialists, they left me an out. All I have to do is lower my reportable income to where I don't pay taxes. I can do that.

54

What a joke.

Here's your fucking "plan": Heavier subsidies for the insurance oligopolies.

Eh. Who cares? Fuck the American worker. If you can't pay for good health care, then drop fucking dead.

That's your "plan."

Wow, some real insigh there. What is the problem, no talking points from Kos or Moveon yet so you decided to freelance it?  Better wait till an adult gives you something to say.

Republican plan = increased competition and reduced cost

Obamacare = increased taxes, increased goverment interference with health decisions and increased premiums.

Koop, your utopian progressive dream world is falling apart. Just try to demonstrate some dignity as Obama goes crashing down.

55 Dear ex-Surgeon General C.E. Koop -- does your face still look the same right side up as upside down, and more importantly, do the kids you take to NAMBLA meetings care?

56 #31 LOL!

57

Posted by: John Galt at November 05, 2009 12:32 PM (F/4zf)

Posted by: C.E. Koop at November 05, 2009 12:33 PM (SUU19)

Agreed.

58

40 To the ignorant masses, one-trillion sounds like less than sixty-eight-billion.

 

This may sound like a joke, but I assure you, it isn't.  Mrs. North is a fairly functional adult human being with no concept of numbers larger than, say, a thousand.

59

this sounds like something i could really support, finally someone puts out some proposed legislation that makes sense, now to whom do i have to sell my first born to get a floor vote on it? 

60

It is impressive how assiduously the "maximalist base" labors to stuff the pockets of insurance and HMO parasites.

It is impressive with the intelligence you display here you can breath without assistance.

61
Hi, eggmcmuffin!

62

She asked me last night, "What's thirteen minus eight?"

I laughed, and went back to masturbating, until I realized she was seriously waiting for me to give her the answer.  So I told her "twenty-one," and she dutifully wrote it down.

63

And the Democratic plan? Premiums will go up, taxes will go up, we all know that.

And medical advancement will come to a screeching halt - as just about all medical advancement is funded by the profit in our health care system, with the rest of the world drafting off of us.

Since we are currently in a vaccine shortage for a federally declared "national emergency" of swine flu (along with a shortage of regular flu vaccine, too). a little blast from the past is in order:

Hillary's Vaccine Shortage

By The Wall Street Journal
August 15, 2003

Everyone knows America's vaccine industry is in serious trouble, with an ever dwindling number of producers and recent severe vaccine shortages. What everyone also should know is that the National Academy of Science's Institute of Medicine has now pinned much of the blame on Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Well, not in so many words. The panel of doctors and economists issuing a report on vaccines last week was too polite to mention the former First Lady by name. But they identify as a fundamental cause of the problem the fact that the government purchases 55% of the childhood vaccine market at forced discount prices. The result has been "declining financial incentives to develop and produce vaccines."

The root of this government role goes back to August 1993, when Congress passed Mrs. Clinton's Vaccines for Children program. A dream of Hillary's friends at the Children's Defense Fund, her vaccines plan was to use federal power to ensure universal immunization. So the government agreed to purchase a third of the national vaccine supply (the Clintons had pushed for 100%) at a forced discount of half price, then distribute it to doctors to deliver to the poor and the un- and under-insured.

The result is a cautionary tale for anyone who favors national health care. Already very high in 1993, childhood vaccination rates barely budged. A General Accounting Office report at the time noted that "vaccines are already free" for the truly needy through programs like Medicaid. Meanwhile, however, the Hillary project dealt the vaccine industry another financial body blow.

Thirty years ago, the Institute report notes, 25 companies produced vaccines for the U.S. market. Today only five remain, and a number of critical shots have only one producer. Recent years have brought shortages of numerous vaccines, including those for whooping cough, diphtheria and chicken pox.

...

64 While its better than the alternative, I'm still squeamish about Gov't being involved in healthcare at all.

65 Where can I go to get a livestream of the rally?  I went to Malkins site and clicked on the Fox livestream but can't get any audio.

66
Koop?

Is that the best you can do, this week, eggmcmuffin?

Why not use your old standby, Dr Benway?

67
Eh. Who cares? Fuck the American worker.

Only if they're brown, eggie. Only if they're brown.

Right?

68 Put me some knowledge Galt.

What are the non-fiscally responsible parts of a bill costing negative dollars?

69 Fine and Dandy, but what will the Republican Plan be used for other than toilet paper by the majority fascist Democrats?

70 Tweet: I would have preferred him to go with J. Elders. Oh that crazy Jocelyn. Good times. Good times.

71

Eggie, damn your troll shit is weak.

Don't you know, to defeat the wingers, you have to add LOL to every sentence. See what I have done with your post

What a joke. LOL

Here's your fucking "plan": Heavier subsidies for the insurance oligopolies. LOL

Eh. Who cares? Fuck the American worker. If you can't pay for good health care, then drop fucking dead.LOL

That's your "plan." LOL

See, much better, now the wingers be pwnded -LMAO

72

If you don't vote for Obamacare now, sea levels will rise 220 feet!

Quickly! Vote now!

73 Want to know what I consider a subsidy to the Insurance companies? An individual mandate coupled with public funding for those who can't afford to meet the mandate.

74 The CBO says $61 billion.  How about not spending $61 billion.

75 And ergies got nuthin'

76 If it's the GOP, it's not health care, IT'S HATE CARE!

77

I am not sure my friends on the right side of the isle understand how important it is to pass a public option so we can get "undocumented workers" the healthcare they deserve.  From there we can take these new Americans into our big tent and spread the GOP gospel.

 

No my friends, the Republican plan is much too radical and un inclusive.

 

That is why I am endorsing Obamacare for all Americans (citizens or not).  We need to use the power of the government and create more mandates for a more secure, fair and just America.  No doubt we will gain a lot of new Republicans if we just have the courage of our convictions.

 

Stop by newt.org for all my latest wisdom and new Newt products arriving daily!

78 Dr Koop is wrong, and he doesn't even know why he's wrong.

79 Yooo hoo! It's me! You're such a loser, Keef.

80 Time for a "You know, in retrospect, I really do miss Jocelyn Elders" set of punchlines. I'll start.

Anytime my boss complained about what I did on my "smoke breaks" I could just refer him to her, and grab some more tissues.

81 I think I have what could become the standard AOSHQ political disclaimer...

"We would like to apologize for the way in which politicians are represented in this programme. It was never our intention to imply that politicians are weak-kneed, political time-servers who are more concerned with their personal vendettas and private power struggles than the problems of government, nor to suggest at any point that they sacrifice their credibility by denying free debate on vital matters in the mistaken impression that party unity comes before the well-being of the people they supposedly represent, nor to imply at any stage that they are squabbling little toadies without an ounce of concern for the vital social problems of today.

Nor indeed do we intend that viewers should consider them as crabby ulcerous little self-seeking vermin with furry legs and an excessive addiction to alcohol and certain explicit sexual practices which some people might find offensive. We are sorry if this impression has come across." - Monty Python

82 Posted by: Newt

could also have read

Posted by: J. McCain

83 So rather than flatly reject "reform" most people don't want, like an opposition party seeking a majority would, the GOP provides a me-too-but-not-so-fast nationalization scheme that won't be passed under any circumstances, but provides a citeable early-head-start target for testing which lies about "The Republican Plan" will stick as 2010 "See how they want your mama to die in the street? Page 42!" Democrat campaign spin.

"But they kept saying we don't have a plan. So we got one! Our very own plan to do that thing America doesn't want done to it! Cheaper!"

Fuckheads.

84

Whats a matter, Koop, no quick retort. Aww, sorry to see your little progressive dream going down the shitter so soon.

Hey, if it makes you feel better, I heard all that the Obama Hope/Change trinkets are all on sale - maybe Mommy will get you some for Christmas if your a good little boy.

85 CBO Scores Republican Plan: Costs a Mere $61 Billion, Cuts $68 Billion from Deficit, Reduces Premiums Up to Ten Percent

 

And that's exactly why it is bad for America's children.

86 61 minus 68... I'm sorry, my math is rusty. What's that equal?

87

It is impressive how assiduously the "maximalist liberal base" labors to stuff the pockets of insurance lawyers and HMO socialist parasites.

FIFY

88 \puppet

89

Hum?

Posted by: Jerome

Heh, and the Left wastes no time at all spreading lies and misinformation. But of course you'll believe everything you read as long it's anti-Republican, Jerome.

90 @krakatoa:

Ace and Jocylen Elders walk into a bar. The bartender is astounded and cries "Former Surgeon General Jocylen Elders in this very bar! We have a drink named after you!"

And she replies "You have a drink called 'Bill's Favorite Bareback'?!"

91 Come on I'll cut you high card, your plan vs mine...double or nothing?

92 It seems rather stupid for AARP to endorse the wonderful healthcare plan because it's going to pretty much guarantee early death (red pill or blue pill for you?) for their members.

AARP sells supplemental health ins. THAT will be big business under Obamacare.
 

93 apparently ergmcmuffin blew his load of DNC talking points and left. LOL

94 The real Koop opposes the bill.

LMAO!

95 Jocelyn Elders improved my sex life, that goes without saying. But she also gave me this fabulous mink-soft Palm-pelt, and that, my friends, is priceless!

96

93 apparently ergmcmuffin blew his load of DNC talking points and left. LOL

MOAR LAWLZ MOAR LAWLZ

97 It seems rather stupid for AARP to endorse the wonderful healthcare plan because it's going to pretty much guarantee early death (red pill or blue pill for you?) for their members.

When I was going to American University in DC, I temped for a while at the national AARP office on K Street.  Two things I learned while there:

1.  The Catastrophic Health Care Bill in the late 80's was enough to produce about two bomb scares a week at the place.  Was kinda great for me, I kept getting sent home with full pay.

2.  Every single person working there was under 40.  Rumor had it that the little old lady whose face they stamped on every piece of literature sat in a chair and did her knitting on the top floor all day long.

Qwinn

98

The time for better, more attractive alternatives has passed!

Now get in there and get PelosiCare on my desk before I start whacking you with my socialist mop!

99 OMG! Unclefacts has clued into my secret meathod of winning all internet debates. OMG! OMG!

100

"If you can't pay for good health care, then drop fucking dead."

A thought experiment, genius...

Now, if it takes a long, long time to become a doctor, with many, many years of hard continuous work, and then when you are finished you are told by the government that you are only allowed to make a certain amount of money, even thought you incurred about 150K in debt, but they will also tell you what to do, when to do it, how often, do you think then that that occupation would be attractive?

And if it were less attractive for very smart people to pursue, do you think your health care coverage would suffer or get better?

You fucking idiot.

101 How good can a plan be if it only costs 61 billion?

102 Wait! I thought the Republicans had no plan???

I thought they were just the party of "NO!" I thought they just wanted the status quo! I thought their plan was that you shouldn't get sick, and if you did, you should die quickly!

You mean... the Democrats and the media LIED to me???

I'm going to go lie down for awhile...

103

Now, if it takes a long, long time to become a doctor, with many, many years of hard continuous work, and then when you are finished you are told by the government that you are only allowed to make a certain amount of money, even thought you incurred about 150K in debt, but they will also tell you what to do, when to do it, how often, do you think then that that occupation would be attractive?

But its the only way I can become a doctor. For some reason, the medical schools don't accept my correspondence certificate in hospitality management as good enough to get into med. school.

104 And for the record, I'm still laughing at Dennis Miller on O'Reilly last night snarking that the empty, hollow expressions on Nancy's face this week look like they belong on a lizard sunning itself on a rock...

105 I agree with Galt.  Let's not spend anything.  Let's defeat Nancy's bill.  or barring that, make all those running next year agree to repeal it  in its entirety or we won't vote for them.

106 Can they write in a provision to have John Edwards deported to Iran?

107

Holy Mother.  I hope my congressman, Perriello, votes for this piece of Dem trash (sorry, we know the Republican plan will not see the light of day).  Because my current Dem congressman will be saying goodbye next November if he votes for this.

yippee.

108 I live in a district that has not had a Republican challenger in two elections-- and there does not appear to be one this time, either.  FML

109 And how do we build a Democratic majority with this plan?  We need the public option, no matter how shitty the care is.  My job is more important than your health.

110 I don't get it. This plan covers most of the fixes that Conservatives want.

Tort Reform. Interstate competition. The ability for individuals to use HSAs in a broader way. Minimizing paperwork. Enabling more efficiency in fast-tracking new medications. More fraud controls.

What is the Conservative argument for not pushing its passage?

111

Holy Mother.  I hope my congressman, Perriello, votes for this piece of Dem trash (sorry, we know the Republican plan will not see the light of day).  Because my current Dem congressman will be saying goodbye next November if he votes for this.

yippee.

Perriello was on Morning Joe this morning basically saying he was prob. going to vote for it. When asked if that would doom him politically, he gave a rather weak "oh, I work hard for my constitutients, I do the meetings" defense. In other words, he knows he is gone. Wonder if the Administration has something lined up for him right after 2010 rolls around.

112 That's great - or at least it would have been if it hadn't been pitched 2 days before the House vote. Seems a little too late to me, but maybe that's part of the plan; force the Dems to vote for Pelosicare when a viable (and infinitely less costly) competing plan exists. Posted by: volfan at November 05, 2009 12:18 PM (lF49h) This constitutes the text of the motion to recommit. Nancy is looking at a landmine and can't do a thing about it and keep on schedule. If it had been released earlier - she could have had her allies cut it up for weeks.

113

Does "costs $61 billion" mean $61 billion in new expenditures, or does it mean that the federal government takes in $61 billion less in tax revenue? It's my experience that in govspeak new expenditures are called "investments" and tax cuts are called "costs".

It sounds like this is a good start. It will never see the light of day of course, but as others have said it's something to campaign on next year.

114 How do Americans worry about the next Great Depression.  At least our parents did not vote for it!!

115 109 And how do we build a Democratic majority with this plan?  We need the public option, no matter how shitty the care is.  My job is more important than your health.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at November 05, 2009 01:09 PM (NgoAe)

Nancy my dear, you should be worrying more about making me look good.

116 110 I don't get it. This plan covers most of the fixes that Conservatives want.

Tort Reform. Interstate competition. The ability for individuals to use HSAs in a broader way. Minimizing paperwork. Enabling more efficiency in fast-tracking new medications. More fraud controls.

What is the Conservative That is the argument for dems to not pushing its passage?

FIFY

117

They need to enhance Division E of the Republican Answer

Add:

Section 502 Incentives for Healthcare Institutions to reduce patient infection rates.

They could add alot more savings by doing this. Think about it, what incentive does a hospital have to not let you get an infection while in the 4 walls? And then conversely, do they profit if you get infected?

I was at a Consumer Driven Healthcare Summit (think HSA) a few years ago, they were claiming that the waste in this Hospital Infection problem dwarfs the waste in Lawsuit/tort reform. If they are right, this is the 800 lb gorrilla. And its about the smallest 'animals' in the room, the bacteria and viruses.

The real cost driver of healthcare is the hospitals, in 2007 they had 17% of the national cost. Google that, and see for yourselves. If you can take a chunk of waste away from that group and give it back to the economy .....

118

>Give me Death Panels or give me death!!

 

 

_{this is awesome}

119 OMG get that man off my tv.
Obama is now blah blah blah-ing
about health care and AARP.

**I'm sure he has no idea there are protesters in D.C** /yeah right

120 Eh. The real price driver is simple economics. Extremely valuable resources treated by almost everyone -- the insured and uninsured alike -- as though they were free. There is no way a feedback loop like that doesn't drive prices ahead of general inflation.

121

Dear Ace,

The Republican plan is genius precisely because it does NOT stand a chance at passing. If it did, I would hate it. If the Dems had half a brain, they would compromise heavily in its direction and call it a "bi-partisan" plan that all Americans can embrace. Then, once the foot is in the door, once the camel's nose is under the tent, it's only a matter of time (several few years; a couple decades at most) before the plan is vastly expanded. - Just like every other bureaucratic social plan ever legislated. And then the Republicans would have no recourse of grievances. As it stands, we know the Dems will all but wholly reject the Republican plan (I pray to God they do), and whatever they do pass, the Republicans will remain divorced from it. Unlike social security, "public option" (read: inevitable Single Payer) Health Care will begin to collapse under it's own weight within a decade of it going into effect. (America's financial engine is a dynamo juggernaut. But it's not a magical bottomless pit of treasure. We are already tapped out and over encumbered with entitlement programs. We already can not pay the piper when he comes calling in about fifteen years. - Our children and theirs will have to do that.) EVERYONE will see Obama Care as a horrible failure, and the Dems and Obama's legacy will get the full blame. Sure it will be ugly and painful; but it will happen relatively quickly rather than slowly. It will be a shock to the American psyche rather than a frog being slowly boiled to death. And the blameworthy for our collective shock will be obvious. And maybe - just maybe - a potent plurality of Americans will realize how heinously destructive big government is to its citizenry; and our great country might be blessed with several generations of political, fiscal, and social sanity manifested in a mandate to severly limit government power.

So here's to the outright rejection of the half-way sensible Republican health care plan that would only provide cover for Democrats and that would lead to the slow boil of American sensibilities regarding massive entitlement programs.

122 13 Shove that up your wrinkled old ass,  Pelosi

Posted by: Todd (the guy who is back to saying Obama sucks cock) at November 05, 2009 12:15 PM (LLOGQ)

Dammit! I didn't need a visual like that right at lunch time. Brutal, just brutal.

123 Awesome post!  Keep up the superlative work!!!
COMMON CENTS
http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

ps. Link Exchange??

124 Hey, wow, a reform bill that actually has the reform intended, without pork, spendulus inflation, hype, or government control-grabbing. The last thing I named is probably why it won't pass. Teh Obamessiah and his disciples have no intention of actually reforming health care costs. It's all about getting public control of the health care system, so they can rule it with the same success the Canadians and Brits have enjoyed.

125 Is someone seriously suggesting that the hospitals are underfunding infectious control measures to benefit their bottom line?

126 I was reading a gaming blog today written by a Canadian.  He mentioned he was coughing up blood but refuses to go to the doctor because with free healthcare by the gov't: "you get what you pay for". 

Good for the Republicans for showing they can come up with something that would actually HELP the country rather than hurt it.  (Almost sounds like a foreign concept nowadays.) 

127 Call Yarmuth's office in DC (202-225-5401) and ask to speak to him one-on-one.  Don't take the answer that he's not your Congressman.  Remind them that he talked to people one-on-one on this issue and that you want the opportunity also.

128 So it sounds like the argument from a few is that the Republican alternative is basically bad because it has the title "Health Care Reform"?

Seriously. Any real arguments against it?

129

hola morons

ot, but hey krakatoa, i have a aos question for you, mind if i shoot you a quick e-mail?

130 It is time to consider the possibility that Pelosi and Reid are looking for a legacy cap to their careers.  They both are well aware that they may only have a year left as leaders.

It is not unthinkable, likely even, that the House would vote to change leadership after a significant loss in seats, even should the Dem's retain control.  A loss of seats is much more likely than not.

Reid is more likely to lose his next election than to win it.

Moreover, the last half of their possibly final year will be lost to election stuff.

Viewed from this perspective it might be possible to understand this desperate push and apparent suicidal act.  As they say on Wall Street: "That has already been factored in."

131 108 I live in a district that has not had a Republican challenger in two elections-since the civil war - and there does not appear to be one this time, either.  FML

Posted by: Truman North at November 05, 2009 01:07 PM (e8YaH)

FIFY

132

Robert, i think you are right and wrong, legacy yes, but i think in a way they are going to make money off it too

use healthcare in such a way that their stock portfolio goes up

i would love to see what their holdings are

133 sure thing ncj

Email is on my name.

134 Attention Democrats.  This is called thinking things through and coming up with REAL PLAN TO HELP AMERICA and not some pork ridden bill festooned with pet projects designed to 'get a win'.

Shit heads

135 "Now, if it takes a long, long time to become a doctor, with many, many years of hard continuous work, and then when you are finished you are told by the government that you are only allowed to make a certain amount of money, even thought you incurred about 150K in debt, but they will also tell you what to do, when to do it, how often, do you think then that that occupation would be attractive?"

The tonsil and limb money is all under the table, baby, and we gots the monopoly on saws.

136 What can I say? 

Mine's Bigger.

It's more expensive & it has at least 500% more pages.

Feeling inadequate wingnuts?

137 Gee, just as unconstitutional but cheaper. What a great deal! I remember the good old days of the GOP where they passed big, unconstitutional bills like prescription drug medicare that were not as expensive as the big, unconstitutional bills the Democrats pass now. But they passed tax cuts so it was all okay, right?

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