1 Damn.

2 Brave, brave people. So, of course, Obama wants nothing to do with them.

3 The posts ... coming too fast ... can't breath ...

4 If only we had real leadership right now.

5 Thanks to coolprez we're both broke and losing in Afganistan.  The Iranian people will have to free thamselves.

6 The people of Poland credit Reagan by name for saving them from the USSR, figures the Iranians should name Obama personally for ignoring them.  Maybe they can chant to Carly Fiorina if Obama doesn't hear them.  Word is her hat formally goes in the ring today for Boxer's seat.

7

thamselves=themselves

 

8 It really sucks that their aspirations will be put on hold, although not completely quashed, by Il Douche's lack of regard for anybody other than his own pansy ass.  Still that they're aware of who to question shows that they're more aware of political realities in this country than the Kossacks and HuffingChoaders.

9 It is sad when you look to Iran to find someone fighting for freedom, I was never more ashamed of my country that when President "Present" supported the Mullocrazy, over freedom. I mean come on this is Iran we are talking about, it is not like they are going to start loving you because you backed them. Might as well go in for the protesters, the worst they can say is "Death to America"

10 Maybe they can chant to Carly Fiorina if Obama doesn't hear them. Word is her hat formally goes in the ring today for Boxer's seat.

Fiorina. BOY am I conflicted about her.

11
Hey, Iranians, can I just finish my waffles please?

12 Someone needs to tell those Iranian protesters "Enough already."

13

Why does Farsi always sound like caveman-speak?

"ya ba oona ya ba ma"

really?

well, "a-took zug-zug lana!"

14 Oh, the revolution we could have over there if I had the right guys and right resources.

15

But, but, but waffles just got a pinky promise that Iran was giving up on their nukes that they never had.

Maybe they could hook up with the Hondurans, and form an Axis of the "Screwed by Barry"?

16 Carter and Brzezinski let this (giant, rabid, fugly) kitteh out of the bag so expect Obama to follow in the footsteps of his fellow Nobel laureate in supporting any and all Islamic revolutions.  Not sure why since the original intent was to weaken the Soviet Union.*  I guess it's an old habit thing.  The Left has been stauchly in support of the most theocratic, obscuratist, revanchist, retrograde, and reactionary (I noes big werdz!)  ideology in the world ever since.  Uh, that's Islam.  So long as the Muslims pretend to be victims when imposing that ideology on everyone else, it's cool with our super-genius progressive overlords.      

*There should be a picture of Khomeini next to the dictionary definition of "blowback."  

17 Checked the numbers.  These people didn't contribute squat to my campaign.  I won.  You lose.

18

LameStream Media: These Iranian protestors must be driven by hate and racism and will receive no coverage from us.

Barry: Shouldn't they just do whatever Supreme Leader tells them to do? Just like in this country?

19 The world used to look to the US for hope and leadership against tyranny. Part of Obama's job is to reset those expectations and to make the US just another country.

So, sorry guys. Obama kinda likes tyranny. Sucks to be you.

20 Barak: "i'm just not that interested in your Little bitty country Iranians, as I've always said. Can't ya see me over here fighting for freedom of  all Politicians (To scads  of dough)by giving free health care over here! SU&SD, quit bothering me".

21 Fiorina. BOY am I conflicted about her.

Boy? Racist.

22  P.S -Oh Iran, say hello to the hondurans; Poles, Georgians etc  for me.

23 Ebrii fiamus et torqueamus.

24 Close cover before striking.

25

Wash, rinse, repeat.

26 Fiorina. BOY am I conflicted about her.

I'm not - she tanked Compaq - watch what she does for California. No doubt the ‘a little conservative is better than none at all’ crowd will come out and support this RINO. After all, all that matters is winning, right?

27 I was told there would be no math and no Latin on this blog.

28 Is this a purposeful plot to destabalize the world, or just lack of experience and cohesive thinking through-out his administration?

29 These protests are all about hating on a black man

30

Who won the Atlanta mayoral race?

Did the cracker triumph?

31 Tea-Baggrz!!!

32 31 Tea-Baggrz!!!

Posted by: Kalil Olbermajani at November 04, 2009 05:35 PM

Giggle!

33 Carpe pudenda.

34 Nazis!!!

35 They are saying, "Mr. Obama, tear down this theocracy!"

36 I'm not sure they have three months, much less three years.  Things are near the boiling point with Israel, and we know from their war with Iraq how the mullahs view their population.

37 Carpe Dos Equis.

38 10

Fiorina. BOY am I conflicted about her.

So send Chuck DeVore 25 bucks and let him put her to the campaign test.

39 Carpe feminam.

40 37 Carpe Dos Equis.

Okay, lime in beer I can understand.  But fish?  That's taking it too far, even for me.

41 C'mon, the guy can't even find a break in his schedule to help celebrate our victory in the 50-year-long twilight struggle against Communism. If he can't hoist a stein towards the liberation of tens of millions of Eastern Europeans, you think he's gonna waste some words on a bunch of people who didn't throng their streets to cheer for him?

42 Hey, I'd love to make a statement, but all of my Arab interpreters are busy in Afghanistan.

43 Iran protesters I can't answer your question right now. Michelle and I are busy preparing the White House to be featured on the reality show Iron Chef. However when you take break from all demanding of freedom you can watch the episode on YouTube or until secret police confesicate your computer.

44 Somewhere Jimmy Carter is pleased to see the second term he never had.

45 OT but I had to share this commentary from Charles Ellison on Politico on last nite:

"Nostalgic exuberance is lost in 2009, the feel-good, movement vibe of 2008 is like an ancient fable eluding Democrats' dream of electoral map changing. Many spins will be unleashed on the talking head circuit, some attempting to downplay while others gut political jugular. But, clearly, Democrats face serious base energy and logistical issues into 2010; Republicans shouldn't flex so gleefully either in the wake of the NY-23 debacle, which is merely bad sashimi before the poisoned sushi of an internal civil war.

Virginia and New Jersey, a double Republican hit squad that bloodies the I-95 corridor like a Guy Ritchie director's cut, was a reverse roundhouse kick to the once vigorous Democratic electoral machine. Can we say we say we didn't see this coming? The reflections of Dem hacks throughout the past few months, from clever wordplay on TV to gripes and spiteful name drops in news source anonymity, gave the mood away..."

46 On topic, prayers for these brave Iranians.  A pox on the cowardly houses in DC.

47 Fiorina. BOY am I conflicted about her.


I agree that Fiorina has a checkered history of wins and failures.

 However I'm not conflicted about Boxer.  That woman is a stain on Cali and DC - I would love to see her voted out of office.  In many ways she is more of a communist than Pelosi and that's pretty bad.

48 C'mon, the guy can't even find a break in his schedule to help celebrate our victory in the 50-year-long twilight struggle against Communism.

Get with the program he's helping to put that wall back up - chinese bricks and all .........isn't that one of his shovel ready projects ?  spit. spit. spit. I need to go wash my hands ..........

49

The heart-breaking part is that these protesters are risking their lives and freedom to ask if Obama is for them or against them. Sounds to me like a desperate plea for help and not just a rhetorical question.

Of course, Obama is probably either A) checking to see if Color Me Badd is available for this weekend's concert, B) watching David Ledbetter DVDs to help improve his putting game or C) contacting Ken Burns to produce a 12 part documentary about himself.

 

50 Let's see here, 70% of Iranians are under 30 years old.  We have the opportunity to stand with them against tyranny and gain incredible good will for a long time in a islamic country and Obama says, "F U, you're on your own, I want to pretend to talk about nukes with your oppressors".

Smart Diplomacy.

51 Of course, Obama is probably either A) checking to see if Color Me Badd is available for this weekend's concert, B) watching David Ledbetter DVDs to help improve his putting game or C) contacting Ken Burns to produce a 12 part documentary about himself.

I'm gonna go with option C. Call it a hunch.

52

Virginia and New Jersey, a double Republican hit squad that bloodies the I-95 corridor like a Guy Ritchie director's cut, was a reverse roundhouse kick to the once vigorous Democratic electoral machine.

This might be the best line I've seen here. It's in the top 5, at least.

53 I'll support Fiorina if she wins the primary, but Chuck DeVore is a much better candidate.

54 Well you teabaggers get it wrong again. It's D Iron Chef. However I like the Ken Burns suggestion.

55

Who won the Atlanta mayoral race?

Did the cracker triumph?

Good question.  I haven't heard anything about how that white blue-eyed devil did.

56 What's weird, and rarely mentioned, is at the time of the Iranian Islamic revolution many Communists were in support of the overthrow of the Shah due to his paramount position as a US client.  But sources like Marxists(dot)com claim the Soviet union *also* supported the Shah.  So Marxists like the Tudeh (Communist) Party in Iran have this love-hate relationship with Khomeini who ordered thousands of Tudeh supporters shot, according to their own history of events.  

Quote:
"...Thousands of young people were tried by semi-military tribunals and were executed..."

As usual it's the fault of the capitalist and imperialist forces, especially the USA, for both supporting and not supporting the Shah of Iran.  Good luck figuring that out. 

The history of supporting Islam to hurt the Soviet Union is something of a whitewash of the Left's romance with Islam as a pure revolutionary ideology, best example being Foucault.  You know, the idiot who thought it was profound to note a picture of a pipe is not actually a pipe and his millions of academic disciples still knocking around campus everywhere.  Foucault thought the Iranian revolution was some sort of Ur-Marxist revolution in the stupid way only intellectuals can be stupid.

So the history I gave before about Carter being anti-Soviet in supporting the Islamic revolution is only part of the story.  The other part is the Left's romantic attachment to Islam as a sort-of primitive Marxist religion.   Hitler was a big fan of Islam as well, yet the first Shah of Iran (regime later overthrown by Islamic revolution) was a big fan of Hitler.  That's why Persia became Iran, or "Land of the Aryans" in 1935.

I hope that was as confusing for you as it is for me.        

57 52

Virginia and New Jersey, a double Republican hit squad that bloodies the I-95 corridor like a Guy Ritchie director's cut, was a reverse roundhouse kick to the once vigorous Democratic electoral machine.

This might be the best line I've seen here. It's in the top 5, at least.

Really?  Because I saw that line and thought, "Drunk and maudlin is no way to go through life, son."

58 Isn't "Fiorina" farsi for Snowe?

Runoff in Atlanta between white chick and black dude in December.

59 Obama sucks cock

60 Yeah baby I'm with the regime.  My regime consists of sleepin' in, havin' some waffles, lay around on the couch for a while, puff one, maybe a little golf, watch some B-ball, make a few calls, you know, the Rev., Axle, Rahmbo.  Then after my nap I might go out for a nice dinner with Big Mo.  Its a gruelin' regime, man...

61 All I could hear is
Obama, Obama, Yo Mama is a Lama.

62 @10: Fiorina. BOY am I conflicted about her.

I hear ya.

63 Teh Obamessiah wants "peace in our time" and vindication of his worthless Nobel prize by letting Iran get the bomb so he can sign Nuclear Munich treaty with them. I feel sorry for those brave protesters who are likely to get wiped out by an Israeli first strike/counter strike in about 18 months.

64 Gateway Pundit has a very solid ex-pat Iranian contributor as a source. If he translates it as, "Obama, Obama, Are you with the regime or with us?" - take it to the bank.

Unfortunately, the temporary U.S. regime has the Iranian regime all figured out. Wrongly, of course.

65 Haha! EA/Bioware got their shit straight and the Dragon Age website is working, I was able to redeem my code for the Stone Prisoner addon content!

66 Present!

67

45.  Posted by: Seriously at November 04, 2009 05:48 PM (GV2As)

That's some seriously bad, turgid writing.

68 As I have said before, these are the times that try men's arc of the Triumph of the Will of History

69 Fiorina: I hope running against Boxer is not the next Compaq acquisition. . . .

70 "If you think you can pull this off on your own, then go for it."

If 'they' think they can pull this off on their own, they're wrong. Their leaders will be rounded up and quizzed, executions will happen, organization FAIL, demoralization, humma humma.

I know you don't mean to be glib, and like the rest of us you wish them better than they've got, but "go for it" is almost wrong under the circumstances.

71 64 Gateway Pundit has a very solid ex-pat Iranian contributor as a source. If he translates it as, "Obama, Obama, Are you with the regime or with us?" - take it to the bank.

Unfortunately, the temporary U.S. regime has the Iranian regime all figured out. Wrongly, of course.

I thinking that maybe, as far as the efforts and risks these Iranian protestors are exhibiting, we might want to watch and learn.  This may be us in a year/year and a half.  Just sayin'.

72 53 I'll support Fiorina if she wins the primary, but Chuck DeVore is a much better candidate.

So help DeVore in the primary.  Seems simple enough.

73 It is quite possible and even logical that they are calling for Obama directly because they view him as a Muslim.

I believe it was bantered about before he was elected that places in the Middle East would view Obama as a Muslim simply because his father was a Muslim and in their eyes, that makes him a Muslim.

Or they could simply be trying to pressure Obama because the Iranian people, as with most Americans know Obama sides with the rulers and not the rulee's.

After all, the big "O" can't get nothing done with the slaves, only the masters in his eyes.

74 Carly's on with H. Hewitt right now and sounds like a sharp cookie who has been through a lot--cancer and daughter's death.  No love lost for Boxer and sounds ready for a nasty catfight and  will drive the dumbshit Boxer nuts.  She's anti-gay marriage, pro-life and signed a tax pledge, all news to me.  I was pleasantly surprised with the interview.

75 70 "If you think you can pull this off on your own, then go for it."

If 'they' think they can pull this off on their own, they're wrong. Their leaders will be rounded up and quizzed, executions will happen, organization FAIL, demoralization, humma humma.

The round-ups, interrogations, torture and murders are well underway, yet they continue to take to the streets.  There is a lot of determination and toughness on display in those demonstrations.

The question, as is always the case in "people power" uprisings, is how deep the ruling regime's thirst for blood goes.  In Moscow, with Yeltsin atop a tank yelling at the Soviet troops to stand down, and in Beirut, with the masses of Lebanese telling the Syrians to go home, the regime's operatives didn't have the stomach to commit massacres.  In Tienanmen, the regime showed an unlimited appetite for the blood of democrats.

76

Ugh, another opportunity wasted(which largely came about due to Iraq -- whatever disagreements I had with W, I think he might have had a point with that one -- too bad it's getting wee wee'd away).  My kid brought up Iran and the potentialities there almost a year ago; she was right.  So, what does it say when a punk ass kid can out strategize an entire administration?  Well, it speaks volumes imho.

Sorry Iranian protestors (and Hondurans, and Eastern Europeans)...what can many of us say other than "he does not speak for me"?

 

56 -- That's why it is never wise to try and put any sort of western ideological paradigm  on Middle Eastern politics when trying to explain or unravel it.  It will never match up.  There were many reasons why ME leaders were big fans of Hitler -- anti-colonial sentiment as well as anti-Jewish and anti-Christian sentiment would likely have factored very high; I also think that Adolf's strongman tactics and very strictly structured, top down view of society would have been admired as well -- with perhaps some anti-communist sentiment thrown in, but only a very small factor (I don't think it mattered as much as the other things -- although never count out the good muslim's disdain for a nonbeliever; they will never completely side with communists due to that, but they will use them for their own purposes).  Similarly, the muslims were admired by Hitler for much the same reasons -- plus I'm sure the more fanatic, strict parts of Islam probably appealed to Hitler's idea of what an ideal religion should be (jihad and sharia would have been right up his alley, the concept of inschallah, probably not so much).

As for Foucault -- he was an almost unreadable idiot and bane of the humanities department (which has spread its lunacy into all realms of academia now); although I will grant that there were few who could work so tirelessly to try and bend the interpretation of literary texts to fit his own personal agenda.  Lacan, Derrida, and Foucault will be a blight upon us for quite some time -- most of our up and coming leaders will have been spoon fed them during the course of their studies, so my above comment concerning the fool...we will be seeing much of that in the years to come I'm afraid.

77 She's anti-gay marriage, pro-life and signed a tax pledge, all news to me.  I was pleasantly surprised with the interview.

Posted by: Seriously at November 04, 2009 06:31 PM (GV2As)

--Sounds good to me, especially if she'll dig into her own pockets to win. . . .

78

In Tienanmen, the regime showed an unlimited appetite for the blood of democrats.

Maybe we should send them another batch.

79 73

Or they could simply be trying to pressure Obama because the Iranian people, as with most Americans know Obama sides with the rulers and not the rulee's.

They're calling on Obama by name because one of his first official acts in office was to send the Iranian people a video greeting for Nowruz, Iranian New Year, telling them that America wants to be their friend and that we understand their aspirations.  The Iranian people fell prey to the Flounder Fallacy: they f*cked up -- they trusted him.

From the White House blog, March 19, 2009:

President Obama released a special video message for all those celebrating Nowruz. Translated "New Day," Nowruz marks the arrival of spring and the beginning of the New Year for millions in Iran and other communities around the world.  This year, the President wanted to send a special message to the people and government of Iran on Nowruz, acknowledging the strain in our relations over the last few decades. "But at this holiday we are reminded of the common humanity that binds us together," he says.

After committing his administration to a future of honest and respectful diplomacy, he continues on to address Iran's leaders directly: "You, too, have a choice.  The United States wants the Islamic Republic of Iran to take its rightful place in the community of nations.  You have that right -- but it comes with real responsibilities, and that place cannot be reached through terror or arms, but rather through peaceful actions that demonstrate the true greatness of the Iranian people and civilization.  And the measure of that greatness is not the capacity to destroy, it is your demonstrated ability to build and create."

80

It is a shame that these people risk their lives and to protest tyranny and are asking an evil tyrant for support.

America wishes them well, and when, not if, we are done with this pretender we shall again focus our attention on the freedom loving people in the world.

May God shine his glory on these protestors.

81 They will pray for Obama, but Obama will not come. They will eat sand, and He will not hear the groans of their bellies. Yea, Obama is easily said and rolls off the tongue like ambrosia, but Obama is not easily moved. He is a capricious god, slow to action and bound to keep the passions of lesser gods at bay.

The Middle East is full of wizened, flinty-eyed pessimists who've begged for our help and have been horsefucked for their troubles.

Umm, I guess they have to continue to suck it.

82
78

In Tienanmen, the regime showed an unlimited appetite for the blood of democrats.

Maybe we should send them another batch.

They would know what to do with them:
Did corruption in Chinese universities cause the suicide of a brilliant young academic?

The story is that Dr Tu fell foul of endemic corruption in Chinese universities. In his six-page suicide note he claimed that he had been lured back to Zhejiang on the basis that the university, already one of considerable reputation, was offering 100 newly-funded senior academic jobs, of which he had been promised one. When he arrived home, he discovered that the promises he had received were worthless. The salary range he had been encouraged to expect was £20-30,000: he was given £5,000, with no prospect of improvement. Having brought his wife back to China with him, he found her heavily disappointed and blaming it on him. The suicide note spoke of “the reality about the world of academics and research in China: cruelty, treachery, and apathy.”

Sympathy rippled around the Chinese-speaking world: but some of it was tinged with realism. A contributor to the longhoo.net site, while sympathising with the poor man, put it thus:

“Dr Tu had made the mistake of not fully researching how things are done and pursued in the academic scene in China. If anything, he should’ve been better prepared to handle the difference in expectations. Those that have lived, studied, and worked for some time overseas are easily blinded by gushes of patriotism for their home country, and thus wistfully buy into the idea that they can make huge contributions on grounds of their better talents and abilities. However, such wistful thinking is naïve in that they haven’t fully grasped the networks of connections that are the unspoken rules of the academic circle in China. Partition and usage of research funds in Chinese universities lie with the discretion of the privileged few – those with the connections. Dr Tu wasn’t prepared for this: the American system he had worked with was all about fairness and talent.”

83

After committing his administration to a future of honest and respectful diplomacy, he continues on to address Iran's leaders directly: "You, too, have a choice.  The United States wants the Islamic Republic of Iran to take its rightful place in the community of nations.  You have that right -- but it comes with real responsibilities, and that place cannot be reached through terror or arms, but rather through peaceful actions that demonstrate the true greatness of the Iranian people and civilization.  And the measure of that greatness is not the capacity to destroy, it is your demonstrated ability to build and create."

 

Words.  Just words.

84 >>May God shine his glory<<

Would that be their god, or, umm, our god?

My guess is they've about had their fill of "god-shine," and would settle for a bit less theocracy right about now. And if you were to ask someone about "god" on the streets of Tehran, you'd likely get a sandal in the mug for your compassion.

85

Words.  Just words.

Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at November 04, 2009 06:44 PM (y2MCx)

Promises are shit!

. . .

Promises

Words

Promises

Words

Promises

Words

86 83

Words.  Just words.

It's too bad that Obama never got his ass kicked in middle school or high school.  He might have learned that there are limits to what one can accomplish with just words -- not to mention the physical consequences of choosing the wrong words or of being unwilling to back up words with deeds.

Of course, if he'd had those formative experiences, he probably would have been able to stand up to Michelle over the years and thus never would have been henpecked into a successful political career.

87 >>In Tienanmen, the regime showed an unlimited appetite for the blood of democrats.<<

Not entirely unlimited, but your point is spot-on. Regimes want to leave just enough firebrands--just a few--moping around to attract young revolutionaries before they get a following, the better to quell future mobs. Honeypots, basically.

Chinese interest in social networking sites is the perfect draw for curious, ambitious future troublemakers, hence their interest. Facilitating their access to sites like that is a mixed blessing, obviously...

88 It's too bad that Obama never got his ass kicked in middle school or high school.  He might have learned that there are limits to what one can accomplish with just words -- not to mention the physical consequences of choosing the wrong words or of being unwilling to back up words with deeds.

Of course, if he'd had those formative experiences, he probably would have been able to stand up to Michelle over the years and thus never would have been henpecked into a successful political career.

I learned that when I was five years old.  One of the neighbor kids accused me of shitting in my pants.  Pissed me off so bad that I reached down into my jeans and then threw a big wad of pooh at him.

89 >>Lacan, Derrida, and Foucault will be a blight upon us for quite some time -- most of our up and coming leaders will have been spoon fed them during the course of their studies<<

Haha. You've never read any of them. Neither have I. Neither have all the "up and coming leaders" you cite. One only has to sit through a single deconstructionist lecture to know that a) this is all complete bullshit, and b) everybody else in the seminar thinks so, too.

90 84

My guess is they've about had their fill of "god-shine," and would settle for a bit less theocracy right about now. And if you were to ask someone about "god" on the streets of Tehran, you'd likely get a sandal in the mug for your compassion.

Well, they do use the rallying cry of "Allahu akhbar," and they did adopt the Islamic color green for their heraldry.  I think they believe that the theocracy is un-Islamic and that Islam is compatible with democracy and Western-style civil rights.

91 Sad to watch them go out to the streets to protest knowing they are taking their own lives in their hands. Sucks to be embarassed yet again by our President.

92

84 -- Actually, their god and our god (I'm supposing you mean the Judeo-Christian God) are one and the same; the three religions rather quibble about interpretations of God's words as laid down in their respective scriptures by their respective prophets and holy men. 

There is no more bitter war than a war among siblings.

93

"Obama, Obama, Are you with the regime or with us?"

Well, uh, er uh, eruh, hey, which, I say which uh uh uh side, hey, is uh the Communist uh Party? This ain't uh choosin' sides for a a a uh  b'ball game, ya' know.

94 Actually, their god and our god (I'm supposing you mean the Judeo-Christian God) are one and the same; the three religions rather quibble about interpretations of God's words as laid down in their respective scriptures by their respective prophets and holy men.

Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.

You still interested in selling your soul for a slimmer waistline?

95

These poor dumb fucks think a Chicago politican has any honor?

Shit their schools must be as bad as ours.

96

ATL race, answer NO cracker did not get 50% will be in run off with brother, guess where that's going. 

RACIST!

97

84 -- Actually, their god and our god (I'm supposing you mean the Judeo-Christian God) are one and the same; the three religions rather quibble about interpretations of God's words as laid down in their respective scriptures by their respective prophets and holy men. 

There is no more bitter war than a war among siblings.

True, the Torah (The Law) is the first five books of the Bible and the Quran is the Final Testament of God.

However, Jesus is our Saviour and the Son of Man. He put it bluntly:

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

98 Audentes fortuna juvat=fortune favors the bold. I don't speak Latin but that is the motto of my old fighter squadron in Korea 80th Fighter Squadron Juvats. Best squadron I was ever associated with although nearly 100% of people changes yearly.

99 >>84 -- Actually, their god and our god (I'm supposing you mean the Judeo-Christian God<<

Whatever. Whatever god is invoked to justify this latest bit of bedlam. In this case it'll be a god who lives at the bottom of a well and is 'the hidden imam.' Tomorrow it'll be the *real* imam. Does it really matter which god?

"They" don't use "Allahu akbar" as their rallying cry, and "they" had nothing to do with adopting "green as their heraldry." 'They' are, in this instance, people who've tired of the muezzin and the majlis, who are sick of bearded old men who have servants to wash their hands.

100 >>No one comes to the Father except through me."<<

So much for the rest of creation.

101 92

84 -- Actually, their god and our god (I'm supposing you mean the Judeo-Christian God) are one and the same; the three religions rather quibble about interpretations of God's words as laid down in their respective scriptures by their respective prophets and holy men. 

There is no more bitter war than a war among siblings.

Posted by: unknown jane at November 04, 2009 07:09 PM (5/yRG)

I must disagree. Allah was a pagan moon god until Muhammad renovated her to become the focus of his expansionist scheme. Islam places Christ below the pedophile Muhammad on the pecking order of prophets. Islam denies the trinity. Islam denies that Christ is the son of God, denies the Immaculate Conception, just denies everything that makes Roman Catholicism what it is. They hide behind this "People of the Book" blather, but the truth is, they have rejected so much of Christianity their propaganda rings hollow.

They are a political system disguised as a religion - and a bloodthirsty one, at that.

102 I'm not very religious, or at all if you mean organized religion.  But to say Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all "worship the same God" is to ignore so much of what makes Islam unique among the three.  Start with the lack of any universal Golden Rule, including when it's OK to murder unbelievers or even your own family "by right" under sharia law.  Muslims live by one set of favorable rules, Muslim men by even more favorable rules, and mujahideen who die "in the cause of Allah" the most favored of all.  What Christians get through salvation in Jesus Muslims get by killing and being killed for Allah (Quran 9.111 -- or as I call it the Twin Towers Sura -- 9/11/*1 -- IMO, not a coincidental date for the attackers).  

If you like eschatology, dig In the Cause of Allah - Open Season with Walid Shoebat, music by Stuck Mojo** (and lots of scary videos from the Dar Al-Islam).  I noticed the antithesis comparison myself after studying Islamic scripture a few years before the Stuck Mojo CD came out.  It's kinda creepy.

**language warning and some frightening guitar licks 

103 "Obama, Obama, Are you with the regime or with us?"

That's very divisive , don't you think.

104 This is a video with Shoebat on Islamic eschatology, also with music by Stuck Mojo (same song, different part).   The other video is great, but they edited out the audio on eschatology.    

105

So much for the rest of creation.

You give up that quickly?

106 >you give up that quickly?<

Be better than that. Show a card.

107

No, I know what I believe and it doesn't require a card.

You first.

108

102 -- No, they do worship, at the core of the matter, the same God.  The difference does lie in where the three religions go with differing interpretations on how that God is worshipped, what consitutes their religious teachings, role and importance of the differing prophets, etc.  There they can be quite at odds with one another (for instance, Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet as well as the prophets of the Old Testament, but not the son of God -- they also disdain the trinity, which is bound up into Christian teaching -- hence the reason for them to eschew the New Testament as inherently flawed in its interpretations of the word of God, Mohammed, as the most recent prophet recieving the word of God being the ultimate authority as espoused in the Qu'aran which is the actual word of God, along with the Sunnas and Hadith, which are the teachings of Mohammed as described by his closest adherents, don't ask me for the names of them off the top of my head).  Christians do not accept Mohammed as a prophet, nor do they accept the Qu'aran as a work of scripture.  I'm not well versed enough on Judaism to really remark at length upon it, but they do not accept the New Testament or the Qu'aran as part of their religious or scriptual orthodoxy (I suppose they would consider Christians and Muslims as heretics of offshoot schismatic faiths based loosely upon their own, but that's really a trite explanation).  I believe you see further disparity due to socio-cultural context in which these three religions evolved from (the lunar based threads within Islam is definitely a cultural artifact for instance). 

On the surface, they appear as very dissimilar religions, and they are, but they do have a common root (and if you look at the differences between Roman Catholics and say, Baptists, who at least follow the same scripture thus are more closely related, you could see where many would think the "same God" arguement could not possibly be so).

Same God, very different religious faiths -- it's quite an interesting conundrum really.

 

109 OK, I'll bite. What do you believe?

110 You see, people of Honduras overthrowing a mini-me dictator--in perfect agreement with the country's Constitution--is called a "coup", and must be overturned at all cost.

When Iranians put their lives on the line to court Western support for ousting their insane leadership, it's merely noted as "exercising their democratic rights." Nothing to see there.

111 Isn't this what happened under Clinton in Iraq? The anti-Saddamites had the balls to stand up and start a coup, with the understanding that the US would help tip the balance of power, only to have ol' Bill pull out at the last minute to leave them to twist in the wind.

At least Obama hasn't given these unbelievabley brave Iranians any hope that he'll assist in any capacity.

112

Thanks, unknown jane.

Same God, very different religious faiths -- it's quite an interesting conundrum really

Only for those who think way too much.

You know, it is possible to have faith and be perfectly happy.

 

113

And of corse they reject Christianity; they aren't Christians!

My posts on this thread have nothing whatsoever to do with any judgement call -- of any religion. Simply an observation.  It is what it is -- the "goodness" or "badness", "right" or "wrong" really doesn't factor here.  I'm neither defending or disdaining here.

I suppose I am making a judgement about the ever fascinating twists and turns of human nature -- that we can have three major religions, that essentially have the same roots and the same God...and yet they are more at each others' throats than anyone else.  Which is rather darkly humorous and says something about the human condition if you ask me.

114 Yeah, we wouldn't want to do that. "Thinking way too much," that is.

Let's all think *just enough.*

Just enough not to choke on our own spit. Sheesh.

115

I suppose I am making a judgement about the ever fascinating twists and turns of human nature -- that we can have three major religions, that essentially have the same roots and the same God...and yet they are more at each others' throats than anyone else.  Which is rather darkly humorous and says something about the human condition if you ask me.

That's cool, no hate!

I'm just giving you the Christian side of things as I would assume you would accept the Muslim side of things or the Wiccan side of things.

I just happen to know that I'm right. ; )

116

112 -- My own faith, or lack of it, or overabundance of it, or any point in between is of really no concern here.  And I'm quite happy and secure in it.

And, would it really matter all that much, what my religious beliefs are? (if it makes you feel any better, no, I'm not a Muslim).

And I like to think about things -- gives my brain something to do while mucking out the barn or riding out to check and repair fence, which conversely is very conducive to having a lot of free mental time on your hands.  The same could be said of time spent on fire watch or other such chores -- have to find a way to pass the time.

117 Certainly the protesters should be Pragmatists.  They should compromise with the mullacracy to find common ground.  If they ever want to win a national election they are going to have to cede some ground and not be so ideological.

The mullahs?  Well, they never have to cede ground or compromise because they control the media, schools, government...

118 Not a Wiccan either -- that's a New Age construct and smacks of the flippant and frivolous if you ask me. 

119 Obama must love Ahmadinejad shakin' his junk all over his chin.

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Hadiths (actually ahadith, the plural) are sayings of "The Prophet"?   I don't think I knew that until about a decade ago, after USS Cole, but pre-9/11.   The most authoritative ahadith are called "Sahih." 

Quran 9.111 (emphasis mine):
YUSUFALI: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
(end quote)

No other language in the Quran is so emphatic or offers so much in the way of divine mandate.  The ultimate Islamic "covenant" is murder "in the cause of Allah" (jihad).  But hey, just like the other two faiths.  Sayings of "The Prophet." So never mind.  I'm pretty sure if we build bridges of understanding and tolerance, absent the pervasive Islamophobia we see so much these days, most of us will live natural lives, burying our heads in the sand like proverbial ostriches.     

There is a sahwa Islamia going on these days.  Study the Seventh Century for future news updates.  
  

122

unknown jane,

try something different for a change and quit being an annoying twat.

It is unbecoming.

 

123 By the way, Muslims view Muhammad (PB&JUH) as Allah's Final Messenger, above the piker "prophets" of the other two inferior faiths, who got everything wrong.  Being last in time has its advantages.  Islam actually mentions the other faiths in its scriptures, and almost never favorably.  There is one positive mention of Christians (as opposed to those nefarious Jews), but certainly nothing approaching an affirmation of any basic Christian doctrine.

Really though, this is so seven years ago.  Anyone who hasn't done the required reading at this point, excluding the very young, is simply not going to do it.      

124

121 -- You misunderstand me -- I'm not trying to preach any "tolerance" meme; I'm not trying to make any case for Islam either (in fact, I'm not really trying to shop out any religion).  It was just an observation.  You seem to have a problem with the idea that Islam is a religious offshoot of Judeo-Christianity, but it is what it is -- there's really no judgement involved.  Some people follow Christianity, some Islam, some something alltogether different, and some no religion at all.  That's just an observation too.

Alex, I could say "quit being such a wanker"; what's the major maladjustment?  That I didn't come out and trumpet my own religious beliefs...or that I "think too much"?

125

123 -- and what did I say in one of my above posts concerning Muslim belief in Mohammed being the last prophet and rejecting of Christian religious dogma?

 

126 Nice try spammer.

127 ...where the protesters explicitly appear to be chanting"Obama, Obama, Are you with the regime or with us?"

The answer to this question isn't all that difficult to figure out...

128 "You seem to have a problem with the idea that Islam is a religious offshoot of Judeo-Christianity, but it is what it is -- there's really no judgement involved."

I don't have a problem with saying Muhammad cooked up a faith based on some Judaism (Saudi Arabia was filled with Jewish tribes until Islam came along) and some gnostic Christian beliefs (possibly the Nestorian 'heresy'), along with some earlier Arab polytheism mixed with the rest.  But you seem to have a problem with the moral and ethical difference between the other two and Islam.  Again, I'm not saying there is One True Faith, but some are more intrinsically dangerous than the others based on what happens when humans read the words in the books.  Some have universal values, and some don't.  Some command killing for all time, and others don't. 

Two more examples.  Christians try to live like Jesus through the monastic orders, or monks.  When Muslims try to emulate the life of Muhammad  they escalate up a chain from unsuccessful preaching, through robbery and kidnapping, to outright warfare for conquest and booty, including sex slaves. 

During the Crusades Christianity had to make an exception, a plenary indulgence from the pope (first Innocent III), in order to go to the Byzantine Empire and fight the Saracen invaders.  The indulgence allowed them to kill non-Christians in a holy war though it violated a Commandment.  They ended up doing more damage to the Byzantine Empire, Jews, and ultimately the French in Cathar country.  But that's just an aside. 

Contrast that with the ongoing state of warfare between Islam and all non-Muslims.  Not only is no exception needed to kill certain classes of people, but it's the best and most rewarded path to 'paradise.'  

It's like the old kid's show: "One of these things is not like the other.  One of these things is kinda the same." 

129 The New York "news" stations reported this as an ANTI-AMERICAN PROTEST.

Fuckers.

130 You seem to have a problem with the idea that Islam is a religious offshoot of Judeo-Christianity, but it is what it is -- there's really no judgement involved.

Interesting point.

Most Christians clearly understand their roots in the Jewish faith, and their Bible incorporate some of the Torah in the form of the Old Testament.

Most Christians clearly understand that Islam followed-on after the New Testament was known, leading to the understanding that, like Christianity, Islam incorporated significant portions of their forefathers Books into theirs.

This is not the case. Islam does not recognize the Torah, nor the Bible.

It refutes both of them.

131

@23. Ebrii fiamus et torqueamus.

You're rendering torqueamus for "screw"?

That's some Henry Beard Latin, right there.

132

130 -- I'm not so much sure "refute" is the correct word  -- from what I've studied of it they don't so much refute the information as they do refute the interpretation of Jews and Christians vis a vis the word of God (this is actually a more volitile problem -- because the objects of their scorn are the people themselves, and the concept of possession and rightful ownership starts to come into play; I think this is where the conflict became deadly).  There are probably very good (as in logical) explanations for this: most likely to do with the establishment and evolution of Islam in an area already containing a number of Jewish and Christian sects/communities, along with competition from still prominent pagan practices (and let's not forget Zoroastrianism).  After speaking with some Muslims about the subject I very much got the impression (which is echoed in their religious texts) that they do observe the connection between the three religions, but it very much comes down to believing that they are "right" and the other two are "wrong" -- that sounds familiar.  Some of the more imho enlightened (and thus much less orthodox) have also observed that this has caused innumerable problems in the Middle East and will likely continue to the foreseeable future -- if not cause a major catastrophe someday (I spoke with them back in the '90s for a term paper).

 

Beagle -- when I make an observation, I try to keep my subjectivity as close to a minimum as possible because my own subjective feelings and thoughts don't belong there,  and some have taken this as more than just an observation, and have gotten all in a kerfluffle -- why, I do not know other than feelings and emotions are part of their equation.  This is a problem imho.

 

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اناشيد كراميش كاملة من قناة كراميش تردد قناة كراميش نبذه عن قناة كراميش
!"تـــرى مـوتـــي ولا مـــوت المشـــاعـــر"!‏
انشودة ياصاحبي 2009 أناشيد أبو حسن القحطاني
تحميل أذكار الصباح والمساء بصوت مشاري العفاسي تحميل أذكار الصباح والمساء‏
إنشودة ياخوي 2009 جديد المنشد عبدالرحمن العبدالطيف تحميل انشودة ياخوي
إنشودة الكتكوت فيديو كليب الكتكوت إناشيد طيور الجنه
انشودة لا تنسى ابدا ذكر الله محمد بشار ، لا تنسى ابدا ذكر الله صوت وفيديو ، انشودة لا تنسى ابدا ذكر الله طيور الجنه
انشودة كل يوم نقول اليوم انشوده حزينه انشوده روعه انشودة تتحقق الاحلام
اناشيد طيور الجنة , اناشيد قناة طيور الجنة , طيور الجنه إنشودة لما نشتشهد إنشودة عيوني تشتاقلو‏
تحميل اناشيد mp3 اناشيد إسلامية
انشودة ارحلي تحميل إنشودة ارحلي أناشيد المنشد محمد السلمان
أناشيد البوم حكاية 2009 البوم حكاية 2008 أناشيد مصعب المقرن
أنشودة حرام اللي تسونه أناشيد البوم حكاية 2008 أناشيد المنشد مصعب المقرن
مكتبة اناشيد مكتبة اناشيد اسلامية اكبر مكتبة اناشيد اسلامية اكبر مكتبة اناشيد 2009 مجموعة اناشيد
أنشودة محلاها سوريا ، إنشودة محلاها سوريه ، تحميل أناشيد طيور الجنه ، تحميل إنشودة محلاها سوريه
انشودة حبــــيبك راح ياقــــلبــي انشاد ناصر الســـعيد اناشيد حزينه
إنشودة وشلون يسلى القلب والقلب مجروح صوت ، فيديو إنشودة وشلون يسلى القلب والقلب مجروح أناشيد محمد الجبالي
إنشودة لما نستشهد بالتركي تحميل إنشودة لما نستشهد ~ أناشيد تركيه
إنشودة سير يادجله ، تحميل إنشودة سير يادجله ، فيديو كليب سير يادجله ، سير يادجله صوت
القران كامل بصوت الشيخ ماهر المعيقلي تحميل قراءات الشيخ ماهر المعيقلي
إنشودة الغشاش تحميل إنشودة الغشاش أناشيد قناة كراميش أناشيد مجاهد هشام
نشيد مشتاقلك مشتاق للمنشد المبدع عزام الخضري انشوده روعه تحميل انشوده عزام الخضري
إنشودة حامد الضبعان للامير سلطان فيديو كليب حامد الضبعان للامير سلطان
إنشودة صدفه فيديو كليب إنشودة صدفه أناشيد حامد الضبعان‏
إنشودة لما نستشهد بصوت شباب السعوديين طيور الجنه بالسعوديه
انشودة كتكوت تحميل انشودة الكتكوت اناشيد طيور الجنه تحميل انشودة كتكوت صوت
انشودة يازمان الاه عشت المستحيل
جديد المنشد عبدالله شرف فيديو كليب { سبحانك } تحميل فيديو كليب سبحانك انشودة روعه
انشودة انت الزعيم لا تبالي تحميل اناشيد الهلال انشودة انت الزعيم لا تبالي
إنشودة فديت اللي تذكرني ، تحميل إنشودة فديت اللي تذكرني ، فديت اللي تذكرني
اناشيد اسلاميه 2009 ، اناشيد اناشيد جديده اغاني مسحوبه الموسيقى
إنشودة ياليتني ماعرفت الحب أناشيد إسلاميه
إنشودة نظرة عينك تحميل أناشيد عمر الصعيدي تحميل إنشودة نظرة عينك
أناشيد سامي يوسف تحميل أناشيد سامي يوسف أناشيد يوسف بدون موسيقى
انشودة يالسعوديه تحميل إنشودة يالسعوديه للمنشد عمر الصعيدي أناشيد طيور الجنه
تحميل انشودة الله يا الله بصوت الفنان حسين الجسمي - كلمات انشودة الفنان حسين الجسمي الله يا الله
انشودة يمه اتركيني انشوده حزينه انشوده عن فراق الاب انشوده جديده
تحميل انشودة ارجوك يكفي غياب تحميل انا شيد عبدالقادر الهدهود
انشوده بدايه هم تحميل انشوده بدايه هم أناشيد مصعب المقرن
إنشودة أشتقت لك - أناشيد إسلاميه
أنشودة يا صاحبي عشنا وشفنا والزمن غير الزمن تحميل أناشيد فراق الاصدقاء
إنشودة عن مصر ما تسألنيش ، تحميل إنشودة عن مصر ما تسألنيش ، عن مصر ما تسألنيش ، أناشيد عمر الصعيدي ، أناشيد طيور الجنه
اناشيد ابو حسن القحطاني ، اناشيد فديت اللي تذكرني فديت اللي ذكر خله
أنشودة يمه خلاص من بكاي جفت دموعي أنشودة عن الأم
أناشيد المنشد محمد الجبالي المنشد محمد الجبالي أناشيد إسلاميه للمنشد محمد الجبالي
أنشودة رفيقي ياهلا والله لمصعب المقرن أنشوده جديده لمصعب المقرن
مكتبة الاناشيد الاسلاميه بصيغة mb3
شريط اجامل الثاني ، اناشيد شريط اجامل 2 ، شريط اجامل سمير البشيري ، اناشيد سمير البشيري ، أناشيد أجامل للمنشد سمير البشيري

قصيدة احبك جدا قصيدة حب قصيده روعه تصميم شعري روعه
تحميل قصيدة الحلم مسموعه لحامد زيد قصيدة الحلم مسموعه للشاعر حامد زيد أروع قصائد حامد زيد
قصائد الشاعر محمد بن جار الله السهلي أشعار صوتيه للشاعر محمد بن جار الله السهلي
والله واحشني زمانك
الشاعر سعد علوش قصايد الشاعر سعد علوش قصائد الشاعر سعد علوش صوتيه قصائد صوتيه
الوداع سعد علوش
قصيده سالم السيار <هذا هو اللي تبيه>‏
قصائد سعد علوش بدون موسيقى ، أشعار سعد علوش بدون موسيقى ، قصائد الشاعر سعد علوش
ودي أشوفك للشاعر حيدر بوشهري
][ اببتعد يا اقسى بشر في حيآتي ][ صوتية
. . ~ مآبڪيتڪ }a
يوتوب القصائد المسموعه
قصائد الشاعر حامد زيد
قصائد مسموعه لسعد علوش
قصائد حامد زيد بدون موسيقى ، قصائد صوتيه لحامد زيد ، قصائد حامد زيد صوتيه بدون موسيقى‏
قصائد صوتيه للشاعر محمد جار الله السهلي
قصائد صوتيه للشاعر فهد المساعد الشاعر فهد المساعد تحميل شعر صوتي قصائد صوتيه

وش جاه محبوبي مشى وخلاني مابين نيراني وبين احزني / رواية جريئة رومانسية‏
والله أحبك يشهد الله علي قصة سعودية روعه
رواية عشاق من أحفاد الشياطين...للكاتبه متكحله بدم خاينها..
قصة روحي تناديك روووومانسية
قصة تايتنك الحقيقة بالصور
الرواية السعودية ^^^بدر سامحني^^^ رواية رومنسية جريئة

عبايات روعه عبايات خليجيه عبايات 2009 موديلات للعبايات
فساتين قصيره 2009 فساتين بلون البحر فساتين بلون أزرق وسماوي
صور اناقة نوال الزغبي صور فساتين نوال الزغبي صور أزياء نوال الزغبي صور استايل نوال الزغبي
تيشيرتات بنات تي شيرتات روعه بلايز نايس بلايز صبايا ~ موديلات مراهقات
فساتين قصيره موديلات فساتين سهره قصيره فساتين هاديه
فساتين سهره صيف ربيع 2009 فساتين سهرات فساتين حنا توما ازياء فساتين سهره ازياء سهره
فستان للسهره باللون الأزرق فساتين ازرق سماوي كحلي فساتين سهره سهرات
فساتين سهره قصيره فساتين نعومه فساتين قصيره 2009
فستان الفنانه نجوى كرم فساتين نجوى كرم 2009 صور فساتين صور فساتين جديده للفنانه نجوى كرم
عبايات خليجيه عبايات مطرزه موديلات عبايات
شنط و احذيه ماركات عالميه صور شنط موديلات و موضة 2009‏
أزياء صينيه 2009 موديلات صينيه ستايلات صينيه ملابس صينيه 2009
أناقة الفنانه شيرين 2009 فساتين الفنانه شيرين 2009 ازياء الفنانه شيرين 2009 صور الفنانه شيرين 2009
فستان ميساء المغربي الزيتي صور فستان الفنانه ميساء المغربي الزيتي أناقة ميساء المغربي
فساتين للبنوتات فساتين نعومه فساتين جونان فساتين قصيره 2009
أزياء الفنانه سيلينا قومز فساتين Selena Gomez أناقة الفنانه سيلينا قومز ستايلات الفنانه Selena Gomez
أناقة أشلي تيسدل فساتين Ashley tisdal تسريحات أشلي تيسدل أزياء Ashley tisdal
مسكات زفات مسكات ورود للزواج أفكار مسكات عرايس 2009
فساتين المصممه الاماراتيه Zareena أزياء المصممه زارينا أزياء زارينا 2009 فساتين سهره
موديلات فساتين سهرة , موديلات فساتين سواريه 2009
اناقة مايلي سايرس صور فساتين مايلي سايرس موديلات الممثله مايلي سايرس صور مايلي سايرس 2009
اناقه نجمات هوليود ازياء نجمات هوليود
أزياء صينيه موديلات صينيه أزياء وستايل صيني بلايز صينيه 2009
صور فساتين ناعمه صور فساتين 2009 فساتين صيفيه 2010 فساتين ناعمه 2009 موديلات فساتين ناعمه
فساتين المصمم زياد نكد صور موديلات المصمم زياد نكد أزياء المصمم زياد نكد صور فساتين Ziad Naked 2009
صور فساتين ياسمين عبدالعزيز صور ياسمين عبدالعزيز اناقة الممثله ياسمين عبدالعزيز
احدث عبايات الخليج عبايات 2009 عبايات 2010 عبايات قريبا في الاسواق عبايات حاليا في الاسواق
موديلات الفنانه افريل لافين 2009 ستايل الفنانه افريل لافين 2009 أناقة الفنانه افريل لافين 2009 صور الفنانه افريل لافين
فساتين سهره ازياء المصمم وليد عطاالله موديلات فساتين وليد عطاالله - فساتين سهرات
فساتين أطفال فساتين سهره أطفال أزياء أطفال 2009 فساتين أطفال 2009
فساتين سهره 2009 ، فساتين ناعمه ، موديلات فساتين سهره ، أزياء فساتين ناعمه ، فساتين 2009 ، فستان ناعم ، فستان نعومي
فساتين سهره, فساتين افراح, صور موديلات, صور أزياء, أحدث موضه , أحدث موديلات ,صور موديلات فساتين سهره 2009
جلابيات خليجيه جلابيات روعه جلابيات 2009 جلبيات روعه موديلات جلابيات
فساتين بناتيه فساتين بناتيه قصيره فساتين 2009 ناعمه فساتين قصيره 2009
ازياء فساتين بنات صغار صور ازياء فساتين بنات صغار جديدة
فساتين هيفاء وهبي ملابس هيفاء وهبي فستان هيفاء وهبي صور هيفاء وهبي 2009
أزياء هنديه موديلات هنديه 2009 أزياء ساري 2009
بيجامات مراهقات بيجامات بنات روعه بيجامات نوم ~ ملابس نوم
فساتين للبنات جديده ، فساتين اعراس للبنات ، فساتين للبنات الصغار
ازياء باربي 2009 , فساتين باربي 2010 , فساتين زواج باربي 2009
لفات طرح للمصمم جيلان عاطف لفات طرح كاجوال للمحجبات
فساتين المصمم زهير مراد أناقة فساتين المصمم زهير مراد 2009
الاستايل اليابانى أناقة بنات اليابان موديلات يابانيه
جلابيات ماركة شالكي ماركة شالكي للجلبيات صور جلابيات شالكي 2009
فساتين قصيره 2009 بلايز 2009 بناطيل طويله 2009 موديلات فساتين روعه
فساتين , فساتين روعه , فساتين 2009 , فساتين سهره , فساتين جذابه , فساتين نسائيه , فساتين افراح , فساتين خطوبه
ملابس بنات كشخه ملابس بنوتيه ملابس 2009
فساتين الممثله الهنديه Katrina Kaif 2009 -2010
تنانير موديلات تنانير 2009 تنانير روعه تنانير 2009
فساتين أعراس فساتين للعروس فساتين باللون الابيض فساتين روعة فساتين خيال فساتين 2009
جلبيات المصممه انسام الخلف جلابيات المصممه الكويتيه انسام الخلف جلابيات 2009
صور عبايات موديلات عبايات 2009 جلابيات 2009
أناقة الفنانه نجوى كرم فساتين نجوى كرم 2009
بيجامات حلوه موديلات بيجامات 2009 بيجامات للبيت بيجامات منوعه
أزياء سهره للمتحجبات فساتين للمتحجبات موديلات فساتين ساتره فساتين 2009 للمتحجبات
أناقة الون الاحمر فساتين 2009 بالون الاحمر موديلات فساتين بالون الاحمر فساتين سهره
جلابيات جلابيات فخمه جلابيات روعه جلابيات انيقه جلابيات 2010 جلابيات جديده جلابيات راقيه
ازياء ازياء كارينا كابور ازياء هنديه ازياء الممثله كارينا ازياء فخمه ازياء 2009
مسكات للعرائس مسكات فخمه مسكات ملونه
صور فساتين المصممه هويدا البريدي 2009 موديلات المصممه هويدا البريدي أزياء المصممه هويدا البريدي صور فساتين 2010 للمصممه هويدا البريدي
أزياء لون اسود فساتين سهره لون اسود فساتين قصيره أسود أناقة الون الاسود‏
صور فساتين افراح فساتين افراح احلى فساتين 2009 فساتين سهرات‏
فساتين احمد بدوي, صور فساتين زفاف احمد بدوي,فساتين زفاف احمد بدوي 2009,فساتين زفاف المصمم احمد بدوي,تصاميم احمد بدوي
فساتين زفاف فساتين جديدة فساتين فخمة وروعة
فساتين زفاف فساتين زواج فساتين عرايس ~ موديلات فساتين زواج
فساتين باللون الاحمر فساتين باللون الاسود فساتين روعة‏
جلابيات الفنانه ميساء المغربي 2010
فساتين ديانا كرازون أزياء الفنانه ديانا كرازون فساتين زفاف الفنانه ديانا كرازون
كولكشن جنان كولكشن للبنوتات أزياء للبنات موديلات ملابس للبنات 2009
فساتين سيلينا قومز ، فساتين selena ، أزياء سيلينا قومز ، بلايز سيلينا قومز ، بلايز selena ، أناقة سيلينا قومز
ازياء ازياء حليمه ازياء حليمه بولند ازياء المذيعه حليمه بولند ازياء حليمه بولند ازياء المذيعه الكويتيه حليمه بولند 2009 ازياء حليمه بولند 2010
فساتين فساتين للعرايس فساتين زفاف فساتين للزواج فساتين المصممMax Chaoul فساتين فخمه فساتين جديده فساتين 2010 فساتين كشخه‏
فساتين حليمه بولند في فوازيرها فساتين حليمه بولند في برنامج يبيله فساتين حليمه بولند 2009
فساتين اليسا ازياء اليسا فساتين الفنانة اليسا
أناقة أمل حجازي فساتين الفنانه أمل حجازي 2009
موديلات فساتين تركيه 2009 فساتين تركيه موديلات فساتين سهره تركيه
ازياء كول ازياء على جماجم جزم على جماجم شنط على جماجم سلاسل على جماجم احزمه على جماجم بلايز على جماجم
موديلات المصممه كاجوال ملابس المصممه كاجوال للمتحجبات أزياء للمتحجبات 2009
ازياء ازياء فخمه ازياء روعه ازياء جديده فساتين فساتين للمناسبات فساتين للحفلات فساتين 2010 فساتين من فينيسيا مول بالدمام‏
فساتين كم طويل - فساتين ساتره - فساتين طويله - فساتين سهره كم طويل
فساتين سهره فساتين 2009 فساتين مصممين فساتين ملونه
ملابس روعه ، موديلات يابانيه ، ستايلات يابانيه ، فساتين يابانيه ، ملابس يابانيه
عبايات عبايات روعه عبايات انيقه عبايات ناعمه عبايات جديده عبايات 2010 تصاميم عبايات جديده
فساتين زفاف فساتين جديدة فساتين فخمة وروعة
صور فساتين الفنانه يارا أناقة الفنانه يارا فساتين 2009 للفنانه يارا‏
صور فساتين سيرين عبد النور أناقة الفنانه سيرين عبد النور فساتين 2009 للفنانه سيرين عبد النور
اناقة الفنانه هيفاء وهبي فساتين الفنانه هيفاء وهبي
موديلات مراييل مدرسه تصاميم للمراييل افكار مراييل صور مراييل مدرسه
جلابيات المصممه انسام الخلف موديلات جلبيات 2009 للمصممه انسام الخلف أزياء جلبيات المصممه انسام الخلف ~ انسام الخلف
ازياء ميساء مغربي ازياء مرة روعة ازياء مرة خيال ازياء في مو عد الخيران
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