1
I heard ABC already fired the creative director/writer, is that true?  Expect this version to turn hard left by the next episode, but the premiere was pretty good.  Lots of Morena B. screentime, rowwwrrrrr.

2

In case you didn't see: Not only have the aliens smuggled infiltrators to prepare the ground for their coming, but those aliens are... terrorists.

White, WASP-y looking terrorists, but still.

So it's BSG with lizards instead of robots?

3

White, WASP-y looking terrorists

Really? The dude shown only in the photograph looked kind of Islamic to me.

At the very least, slavic in need of a shave.

They've incorporated the whole reptilian conspiracy into this, which is a good angle for the fiction.

A few people are worried about 'whats to come' with whom the lizards have been, but they've clearly already insinuated that the War on Terror was created by the V's, in a way that's wholey palatable. Islamic terrorism and religious wahabbist fundementalism was created by the V's.

4

ABC's "V" is getting "Chuck"-ed.

The red-hot alien drama, which premieres tonight following glowing reviews, has nonetheless made a change at the top. Original showrunner Scott Peters has been replaced by "Chuck" alum Scott Rosenbaum, ABC confirmed Tuesday.

Peters will retain an executive producer credit on "V" and is still on staff at the show as of Tuesday morning. But Rosenbaum, an executive producer on "Chuck" (and "The Shield"), will now be at the helm.

UPDATE 1:40 p.m. CDT: Insiders also confirm that writer/executive producer Jeffrey Bell ("Alias") has left "V." 

The showrunner shift had been anticipated in Hollywood circles for weeks, since ABC and Warner Bros. TV made the joint decision to halt production on the series in order to get scripts in shape. According to USA Today, which broke the news of the shuffle, Peters was removed from his post last Thursday.

"V" begins a four-episode run tonight at 8. It's scheduled to return in March for the remainder of its first season.

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6 Yeah, they canned them. One is getting an "Executive Producer" credit.
I guess somebody at ABC got pissed at Teh One getting razzed. Looks like the only guys with thinner skins than Obots are Muslims.

There's also rumors going around that the premier was cut to 1 hour, to minimize the Hopey-Changey critique.

7

White, WASP-y looking terrorists, but still.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

8 Not only have the aliens smuggled infiltrators to prepare the ground for their coming, but those aliens are... terrorists.

But DailyKos has a copy of their COLB's! Aren't they all official residents of Hawaii?

9 I watched the last 22 minutes of it.

My main problem with it was that I've seen it before. Stupid Hollywood dumbf*cks.

10

a totalitarian space lizard who's come here to eat us? -

Why does this sound somewhat familiar? Like a tv show or movie that's been done before. Someone? Anyone? Throw me a bone here people.

11 I kind of hated it. I think BSG set me up to be distrustful of any amount of political witnessing in SciFi, and so far V looks like it's gonna break my heart.

12 Will CNN fact check the plot line and its parallels with Obamamania?  I think its important, otherwise we might see the WH go to war with a TV show.

13 I kind of hated it. I think BSG set me up to be distrustful of any amount of political witnessing in SciFi, and so far V looks like it's gonna break my heart.


Especially when you know they're replacing the writers with orthodox libs.

14
Why does this sound somewhat familiar?

Ummm, because this is a remake of the series from the early 80s?

15 In the next episode, Anna has a deathbed conversation with a Muslim Iman.

16

Lesson moonbats and assorted imbeciles never learn:

1. You aren't gonna win big money in Vegas or your local lottery.

2. Consensus does not make something a fact.

3. If something sounds too good to be true, it is.

The lack of basic understanding of these simple truths makes one vulnerable to any with a slightly higher IQ (70 or so) and the ruthlessness to profit from it.

17 Yeah, Chait over at antisemitic gay gossip rag The New Republican blasted it for being "right wing propaganda", too.

But my favorite part was that Chait pretended that it wasn't the fact of the propaganda, just the quality.  He then pretended to ackowledge that there is left-wing propaganda on television, too, and that most of it is bad, too, but he doesn't cite a single example.

Who thinks he would ever be able to name a single specific example of left wing propaganda on television that he'd identify as terrible?

18

Ummm, because this is a remake of the series from the early 80s? -

Thanks D.S. - Thought I was going all tin foil hatty there for a minute. Didn't watch it in the 80's (hey, I was a M.A.S.H. kind of guy) but I must have seen some previews.

19 Best part?

Kind of expressionless female leader saying "we will bring you universal health care," in a somewhat monotone voice.

So I guess that the Democrats are terrorist/aliens?

20 I, for one, welcome our new alien lizard overlords.  

Mmmmmm. Mmmmmm. Mmmmmm.

21
but I must have seen some previews.

It was also adopted by some of the nuttier types like David Ickes.  And a long-running conspiracy show topic on Coast 2 Coast when Art was still doing the show.  The thought was, the show premise was leaked by malcontent MiB and was actually true.

22 Yep, the plot will change to the Visitors are super helpful and really nice.  Everyone is heading for a great socialist utopia where bunnies grow on trees.  That is until white religious gun-clingers freak out and start killing Visitors WITH GUNS no less.  Then the Visitors will have to retaliate, even though they really don't want to.

23
Why does this sound somewhat familiar?


 Here is a clue, Its a cookbook!

24 It will be hard for them to eliminate the Obama parallels, because it's just too obvious, but I predict they'll counter it by adding copious amounts of conservative bashing.

25 You can't spell "Anna the V Overlord" without "Obama"...(except the B and M)

26

I wonder if this ever happened in reverse, like the show could be too critical to the right to air so they fired the producer? Oh wait I can answer that.....

27 It will be hard for them to eliminate the Obama parallels, because it's just too obvious, but I predict they'll counter it by adding copious amounts of conservative bashing.

Yeah, some fundie-redneck-Palinite will blow up a Visitor Planned Parenthood Fetus Sushi Bar.

28

The thought was, the show premise was leaked by malcontent MiB and was actually true.

Next you'll tell me that the President had a communist working for him.

29 If Owe-bama's wife and communication director looked like Morena Baccarin, I might be on board...

30 They got it wrong - they should have been aiming not at "Dear Leader is a space alien," but "Dear Leader is married to a space alien."  Or were the Klingons from a different sci-fi series?  I get so confused.

Watched it.  Not really impressed.  In fact, pretty underwhelmed.

31 the pilot rumored cut in half, in order to reduce the more-blatant Obama parallels.

---------------------------------

I know that's just a rumor, but I was very surprised that it wasn't a two-hour premier like every other Big New Series event, and the pacing was rushed as hell. My wife and I both said that it looked like a two-hour show cut to an hour.

So, my confidence in this rumor is about 90%.

32 I wonder if the crazy right wing nuts that do not trust the V's will be yelling for their birth certificates next week.

33 I loved the V-themed shit they were selling in the movie, just like the all-0bama stores out there.

Moi-chandising!

34

I watched this thing last night.  I noticed the obvious digs at the Dear Leader and his cult of messiah-lickers and started to become, well, confused.  This is ABC isn't it?  The home of Charlie Gibson and Meredith what-the-hell-is-her-name?  The View?  And they're needling Obozo?

I became increasingly disoriented, leading to seizures and projectile vomiting.  I'd like to see the rest of the show but I don't think I'm physically up to it. 

Can someone explain to me how this show could possibly have made it on the air?

35 When the reporter did the pregnant pause before replying "universal health care?", I'll admit that I belly-laughed.

And yeah, 2 hr pilot cut down to 1 hr. Big time.

36

Maddog,

"

Lesson moonbats and assorted imbeciles never learn:

1. You aren't gonna win big money in Vegas or your local lottery.

2. Consensus does not make something a fact.

3. If something sounds too good to be true, it is.

The lack of basic understanding of these simple truths makes one vulnerable to any with a slightly higher IQ (70 or so) and the ruthlessness to profit from it."

 

This seems to be a reference to The Bell Curve and my friend Pres. Obama's supporters.

 

I find this quite offensive and not in keeping with The Big Tent that Lindsey Graham, Dede Scozzafava, Al Sharpton & myself have been working to bring about (or maintain more correctly) in the GOP.

 

I am leaving in protest, but encourage everyone to drop by newt.org to check out all my Offical Newt products. 

 

We also have some new Newt windsocks for those of you with personal aircraft, including a new arrival with both my signature and my friend Al Gore's (Nobel Prize winner).  They are great as gifts and you don't need to lick your finger anymore to figure out which way the wind is blowing.

 

Thanks for your support Ace, but it has become too hostile and intolerant around here.

37 They got it wrong - they should have been aiming not at "Dear Leader is a space alien," but "Dear Leader is married to a space alien."

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 04, 2009 04:25 PM (Jdtsu)

Charles will be having a word with you, sir.

38 I enjoyed it but I'm just waiting for the whiplash turn away from the obvious parallels.  The ID4 dig was great though.

39 Married to a wookie and has a communication director who has a lizard tongue, yeah I see the parallels.........

40

And yeah, 2 hr pilot cut down to 1 hr. Big time.

Wouldn't it be so very instructive to see what the network took out?  You know, what parts they thought were really just too too close to Obamania?

Maybe school kids creating and singing songs about the Visitors?  And as the sweet young things finish a chorus of "Mmmmm, mmmmm, mmmmmm", we cut away to the aliens humming right along!

41

Everyone at the White House was busy last night...

Obimbo was smoking cigs, preening and watching himself on HBO, Gibbs was choking and trying to swallow, Axelrod and Emmanuel were hiding in a bunker watching election returns, Michelle took the kids to see a movie, where she was overheard leaving the theatre: "White trash rich little bitch..."

42 "but those aliens are... terrorists"

Hey, get with the program: It's not terrorism, it's alien-caused disasters.

43 This is why my entertainment dollars mostly go to Internet porn.

44

It's disgusting, is what it is.

Eating people? People are batteries!

45 some obvious things that could change.
1.) the bad V's will be responsible for starting pointless wars, this will be something they harp on.  Hell throw Katrina in there... started by the V's.. why not?
2.) the media guy will turn against the V's and become the hero (as Donovan did in the original).
3.) Someone mentioned this last night, and I would find it hilarious.  The V's turn evil obviously, but are still supported by a big time radio personality (who disagrees with the media guy mentioned in #2).

Finally the twist for the new show could be that the aliens really are here to help, the good aliens have things in line, and are providing health care, peace, etc... but then a crazy right winger kills one of the leaders and this allows the darker wing of the V's to seize power and try to destroy earth.

So many ways the lib writers could still turn this around.

46

I don't see a reason to read too much into Peter's demotion yet. It's perfectly possible that he is an ass that no one likes working with (co-writers on "The 4400 have said exactly that) and that his scripts are lousy, requiring extensive rewriting.  (again, a complaint from the 4400)

So, wait and see if the show goes off-message before deciding whether or not Peter's demotion was politically motivated. 

47 Really, how much better than the original could it possibly be without the Marc Singer shirt-unbuttoned-to-the-fourth-button chesty awesomeness?

Not enough to turn me gay, but if I was forced to choose between the Beastmaster and, say, Courtney Love, it would be a poser.

48

So many ways the lib writers could still turn this around.

Word.

I'll have to watch the remaining episodes just to see how they can twist this into an anti-conservative screed.  Painful to watch but curiosity wins the day.

I have a feeling the pilot was cut and that some of the scenes taken out involved the president.  I was a little puzzled that the series could open with this landmark event and not include a scene of the world's most powerful man doing something about it.  We did see a downed fighter, so we have to assume he ordered the military to investigate/attack.  Maybe these scenes made the president look like an idiot.

What better way to prop up Obama then cut the bad scenes and replace them with a heroic black president who will lead the world to freedom, but still take the best of what the Vs have to offer (universal health care!) and implement it without the nasty side effects (Vs eating us or taking our water).

49 Yes V Can!

50 Soylent Green is PEOPLE!

51 V have vays of making you talk.

52 Watched the pilot last night. I know why the Obama lovers squawked, several plot points on the alien leader landed right on target! I don't think there was intended for subliminal criticism of Teh Obamessiah and disciples, but the howls of protest from the State Controlled Media tells us it must be true. Now, if the Dumbasses had kept silent, or at least howled at a lower pitch, who'd have made the connection?  But I digress....

To see what the fuss is about, for those of you catching it on re-runs, or Youtube, or ABC streaming, look at the Intrepid Reporter's initial question and response with Anna, and the whole interview sequence. Also the youths' "Peace Pioneers" program, and "tagging" on behalf of the Visitors. BTW, the Visitors aren't all WASPs, one of the Fifth Columnists has a black skin, and another one has a rather Semetic/Central Asian facial profile. We must now ban ABC for racism and speciesism. 
 

53 Anita Dunn's tongue?

George Noory?

balloon kid's dad questioning if Hillary is reptilian?

Not coincidence!

"Beware of reptilians bearing remittances"

54 If they really did gut it from two hours that is not encouraging.

55

The rumor that they cut the premier in half sounds very plausible- it felt extremely rushed. 

In one hour they portrayed the aliens landing, acting friendly and inspiring devotion, being deceitful, killing the beginnings of a resistance movement, and presence of aliens on the side of the human resistance.  I'm not sure that two hours wouldn't have been rushing it a bit.

The Obama parallels were there, but I thought they were pretty subtle- not as blatant as I thought they'd be.  Keep in mind they did throw in the dig about the aliens starting "unnecessary wars", which otherwise would've been interpreted as a dig on Bush.

56 What's always boggling to me in situations like this is how much ideological ground the left is willing to sacrifice to maintain the metanarrative. Look what they've done here: they've defined savvy, intellectually curious, and strong as "right wing" and bad. They've reflexively defined themselves on the side of credulous, weak, dangerously naive fools.

They really see no danger in defining themselves against a situation in which things aren't always as they seem?

57 Obviously they, ABC, has been putting a lot of $$$ into it, and just couldn't bring themselves to shelve it.  I'll have to catch the unedited DVD's when they come out.  It's opposite Ziva...can't miss her.

58

Do liberals behave similarly? Um, no. Full-fledged freak out whenever the industry they own puts out a single movie or tv show which raps them.

Because they're intellectually insecure crybabies, and because showbusiness is teeming with the likeminded, they always cave to the crybabies' screeching.

59 Yes V Can!!

60 I would also agree that the premiere was edited. The story moved very quickly from intro of Visitors to Visitors Are Pod People to Heroic Resistance. It did not have the same level of build-up to revelation as the original V pilot episode, although the indications were there. I would like to know if the Visitors had provided a remedy for Climate Change to go along with their Universal Health Care offer.
 

61 Top 6 Reasons the "V" Aliens Are Unlike Obama:

6. No skeletons like Rev. Wright in the V aliens' closet. In fact, they have some sort of shell-like carapace covered with flesh, so really it's an inappropriate metaphor.
5. The V aliens are going to war against all of humanity, not just Fox News.
4. Even if you include the original '80s series, they've been on TV far less than Obama.
3. While Obama struggles with chain smoking, the only thing Anna is smoking is HOT.
2. I mean seriously, look at her.
1. Some of the aliens are not outright Communists.

62 This is why my entertainment dollars mostly go to Internet porn.

You pay for Internet porn?????

63 I liked the pilot and yes, it was rushed.  The biggest disappointment was the fact that it was only an hour long.

I've already figured out how they're going to turn this into a liberal love-fest:

Cheney (or their Cheney stand-in) and other popular conservatives will be revealed as Vs.  Dun-dun-DUN.  It was obvious in the speech given by the resistance guy - unnecessary wars, collapse of the economy... all things the libs LOVE to pin on conservatives, especially Bush.

It's a bait and switch - sure anyone with a half a brain can see that this almost perfectly mirrors The One, but they'll switch it around and show that it's really those evil conservatives.  I'm waiting for the speeches that start sounding like liberal perversions of Rush and Palin.

Side note - interesting that they gave the original Robin's role to a boy.  Impregnating the alien girl is not going to have the same impact as a human female getting impregnated by the alien male.  There's a reason that role was female in the original.  I'll wait to see how they handle it this time around, but I'm not too hopeful.  Maybe the alien girl will turn good?  Not sure on this one.

Oh, and I'm still saddened by Alan Tudyk's role.  Damnit.  At least he'll show up later.

64

I saw pieces of the last half, switching between FNC and this. I thought I watching the second part of 2 nights' worth, considering how much was revealed and set up in the snippets I saw.  I wasn't even paying that much attention and I thought they were cramming too much in one hour, like they were scared they'd strain the viewers' attention span.

I don't doubt this premiere was originally 2 hours.  I also don't doubt it was an incredibly bad decision to chop it up like that.  I was hardly fascinated, although admittedly Scott Wolf is a little cutie and the priest character has potential.  However, good looks and one interesting character isn't enough to support an ensemble show.

If they kill off the whiny FBI chick and her POS hoodlum son so they stop sucking airtime away from decent plot, it could work.  But, they won't do that.

65

Do liberals behave similarly? Um, no. Full-fledged freak out whenever the industry they own puts out a single movie or tv show which raps them.

Posted by: Ace at 04:03 PM

I LOVE you Ace.   Were it not for the dextrosphere would have succumbed to hall-running, clothes-rending insanity many years ago.  Liberal assholes. 

66 When I set my DVR to record the "V" pilot last week, the guide showed it as a two-hour program.  Then last night I saw that the recorded program was only an hour.  I thought maybe the guide had just been wrong, but now I wonder...   If the rumor is true, I would love to see the lost footage!

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71 And the only/first V to turn traitor to them is the black one.  That wouldn't mean much by itself, but if the intent of the pilot was to be an anti-Obama piece, it's interesting that they chose a black guy to be the first V to push back on his own kind.

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