1

Or is he counting on Dede Scozzofava to play spoiler in every election in 2010?

Well, she's a cinch for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012. It's her turn.

2

miller said... [ann althouse]

Obama didn't campaign for Owens, and Owens won.

Obama campaigned for Deeds and Corzine -- and they lost.

I think this is much clearer.

3 NY-23? Heard of it.

4 Keep telling yourself that, Gibbsy, you fucking hack, right up until the morning of Wednesday, November 3, 2010, when I march into your press briefing and shove my hobnailed boot straight up your ass.

5 Gibbs sucks dick.

6 There were some gubernatorial races..?

7
Or is he counting on Dede Scozzofava to play spoiler in every election in 2010?

Wouldn't be surprising to see the democrats run socialists as R's in future elections.  It's who they are and what they do.

What's going to kill us is the socialists in the GOP that back them.

8 This is not the election you are looking for.

9 O/T: My lab just made a statue of Obama in the backyard!

10 All I know is ACORN let me down, big time.

11

what is really amazing is how about 3 seconds after Hoffman conceded last night, the lefties all in unison declared NY23 the only important race last night, and that the other two were irrelevant.

 

Sure enough, every talking head from the left this morning was in full bore robot mode, echoing that point. Check MMFA/Kos/ Think Progress/Huffpo/MSNBC/LGF, etc. All the same damn thing.

 

At least Tapper is calling them out for it

12 I think you're giving Gibbs too much credit.

I'm thinking that this is a George Costanza lie, as in "It's not a lie if you believe it's true", and I think Gibbs is dumb enough to believe the spin coming out of the West Wing.

13 BREAKING REPORT: Obama was watching his HBO Campaign instead of the returns, how narcissist is this guy?! no wonder his personal favorables have gotten hit hard along w/ his approvals...

14

4, you'll only do that because the admin allowed the progressive movement to be set back.

Conservative America is starting to realize the MSM is part of the enemy. The MSM will never be able to rid itself of that taint.

15 The 6k who voted for Dede should have their voting rights canceled, and/or full frontal, rearal and sidal lobotomies.

16
The president's approval ratings speaks for itself.

The right track/wrong track poll speaks for itself.

Gibbs can spin it any way he wants. At this point everyone knows Gibbs is deep in Baghdad Bob terrority.

17 Ace,

You're somewhat missing an opportunity here.  The point now should be:

Now that President Obama has a strengthened Democratic majority in the House, while maintaining Democratic majority in the Senate - what's preventing the Democrats  from enacting his agenda?

-

18 O/T: My lab just made a statue of Obama in the backyard!


If it's not a black lab, that's a hate crime.

19

Opies press secretary is fucking Fred Flinstone.

I couldn't give a flying unicorns balls what this hack says.

If it comes out of the Obama camp.  It's a lie.

20 Did Rush Limbaugh call it correct?  You bet he did, know these people better than his glorious body.  He is the prophet for the human race. Or at least my gender.

21

O/T: My lab just made a statue of Obama in the backyard!

If it was brown, you're a RACIST!

22 Minister of Propaganda Gibbs

23 18 O/T: My lab just made a statue of Obama in the backyard!


If it's not a black lab, that's a hate crime.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 04, 2009 11:58 AM (NtiET)

He actually is a black lab.  His name is Shadow.

24

Did Rush Limbaugh call it correct?  You bet he did, know these people better than his glorious body.  He is the prophet for the human race. Or at least my gender.

Nailed it!

25 This is so dead on. I don't even care what Gibbs and the media thinks. Yesterday was fantastic news, and I have the sweetest hangover from it.

26 The 6k who voted for Dede should have their voting rights canceled, and/or full frontal, rearal and sidal lobotomies.


Eh.  How many of them were absentee ballots mailed before things got national attention and the truth about Dede came out?  There should be a lesson here about how absentee and advance polling-place voting is way the Farve out of hand, but the GOP won't learn it and the Dems will continue to milk it.

27 According to the MSM, a month ago Obama was so powerful that his mere words warranted a Nobel prize.

That same MSM, today, is saying that Obama's presence on the campaigns for those governors was no big deal and there's nothing that surprising that happened (except that Sarah Palin lost!).

The level of chutzpah is unbelievable.

28

He actually is a black lab.  His name is Shadow.

Uncle Lab!

29 To deconstruct the current "R's in disarray/civil war/fight for the soul of the party" meme put forward by the libs and leftists a little more...

Clearly one of their goals is to make the Republican party be a monolithic thing. You're only allowed one strategy, and a simple one at that! Make your choice! And they mis-identify the choice to boot. Moderate (i.e. mostly liberal) or Extreme Right Wing?

In fact, Ace has identified the real way to run this, and I sincerely hope that enough people who are making these calls come to same conclusion. Here is our strategy: We are conservatives, and will strive to put into office the most conservative candidate that we think an electorate will support.

But its frustrating to watch and hear these news people blather on about moderate versus conservative, as if a successful strategy can't accommodate both. Actually, some of them probably know that it's the winning path and so they try to get people to think it's about something else.

30 The president's approval ratings speaks for itself.

48% Among LIKELY Voters, 50% With Adults


The right track/wrong track poll speaks for itself.

still below 50%


yeah they do speak for themselves...they did last night anyways

31 He actually is a black lab.  His name is Shadow.

Carry on, and extra treats.

32 Referring to tea party activists and other conservatives supporting Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, Gibbs said the result of the race "proves that anger can get you 45% of the vote."

Anger!  Angry white people!  Militias!!!  Rush Limbaugh!!!!!  You angry racists and your "not voting for democrats!"  We're watching you!

/gibbsy

33

How many of them were absentee ballots mailed before things got national attention and the truth about Dede came out?

Good point; there is that.

34
Re: Rush's gift of prophecy

Rush is brilliant. Rush is the most accurate political prognosticator ever.

But Rush has to realize with the advent of the blogosphere, political anaylsis is a 24/7 affair. A lot of what Rush says on his show today has been said by us the night before.

35 OT, sort of, but you know what 0bama watched last night during the returns?  THE HBO SPECIAL ABOUT HIMSELF.  LOFL. You can't make this stuff up.

36

Everytime I see Gibbs he looks like he has this song stuck in his head.

http://snipurl.com/t236k

37 There should be an "Obama, come to XXX" meme where Republicans beg for Obama to come stump for their opponents.

38

Beck had a great read on this today-

A fricking ACCOUNTANT that no one ever heard of, who was opposed by huge money backed machines of BOTH parties, who had ads running against him 24/7, still garnered nearly 50% of the vote. NEARLY 50%, with a 30% swing in the polls over the course of a week!!!!!

And thats viewed as a "huge victory" for the obama/liberal democrat agenda? R U fucking serious?

39 I honestly don't know how these people (on both sides, btw) can look at themselves in the mirror.  The eternal spin and rejection of reality has to have some personal ramifications. 

I don't expect politicians to be 100% candid 100% of the time, but the B to the O team has certainly taken the "heads I win, tails I win" to levels unseen and it's laughable. 

40

Rush has to realize with the advent of the blogosphere, political anaylsis is a 24/7 affair. A lot of what Rush says on his show today has been said by us the night before.

I've been convinced that Rush and others on both sides already know that, take its pulse, and borrow liberally.

41

Everytime I see Gibbs he looks like he has this song stuck in his head.

http://snipurl.com/t236k

Best soundtrack ever!  Why do you associate it with that asshat Gibbs??

42

Attention Walmart shoppers!

Would the person who left the flaming skull at the beer aisle please report to customer service, we have your skull.

43 Now that President Obama has a strengthened Democratic majority in the House, while maintaining Democratic majority in the Senate - what's preventing the Democrats  from enacting his agenda?

The Democrats in the red states. But the Republicans are the ones in a 'Civil War'?

44
Mr Happy, not only that, but since the race was so close it presents Owens with an interesting predicament: how should he vote?

If he votes like a moonbat, especially on key issues, he'll get wiped out in 2010. Trust me, Owens is only a rubber stamp for Obama at his own politcal peril, and Owens realizes this.

45

you know what 0bama watched last night during the returns?  THE HBO SPECIAL ABOUT HIMSELF. 

Uh, where else would a narcissist with a messianic complex be??!

46 Listen, Mr. President, you can feel it: The sounds of the whispering winds of shit.

47

Eh.  How many of them were absentee ballots mailed before things got national attention and the truth about Dede came out

 

For the third time this morning – NONE.

 

The absentee ballots, along with the paper ballots from the county that had the “broken” voting machines will not be counted until next week.

 

Hoffman could still actually win this thing, although I am sure those paper ballots were actually set aside so that the Dems could steal this one if they lost.

 

So listen up here folks, all of those votes on the Dede ticket were actual live votes AFTER she backed out!

48 Affluent suburban voters who have been trending more and more liberal in the last 20 years or so broke kinda hard for Republicans.  I think more than just red state dems are kinda worried.

49 20 point swings don't really say much.

50
But still, Rush is great. Are you listening to him, now? He's having fun today and I know it's hurting all the moonbats listening to him.

51 Because Kefka, you hear that song and it gets stuck in your head all damn day. He just seems like he wants to burst out with "Flash....ah-ahhhhhhhhhhhhh" in the middle of his pressers because his mind is thinking of furry bunnies or tackling space unicorns.

52 Democrats in a quagmire. Go ahead and pass something---go ahead---bwahaha.

53

The only polls showing Obama was or was not a factor are the exit polls.  We need to keep in mind that exit polls are conducted in person.  For this reason, people were probably reluctant to express their displeasure with Obama. 

If it were possible to conduct exit polls using the same impersonal technology as Rasmussen polls, we would probably see more honest responses from folks.

54 The New Jersey results are really bad news for Illinois Democrats.  They're going to have to canvass cemeteries in 2010.

55 Unless the Civil War was fought in 1993, I would say Gibbs is spinning or dare I say lying? That puts a Democrat in the seat for the first time since 1993

56 47 I remember putting my faith in the upstate vote to beat Hillary.They aren't as liberal as the city but they ain't much better.Still Owens should enjoy his one year because it is probably all he is getting.

57

While we are crowing about the final Ras poll and how accurate it was, let’s not forget the warning he had to the Republican Party bosses.

 

He said they needed to take notice, that there was a significant element of protest out there and dissatisfaction with BOTH parties. He said that over 50% of the self-identified conservatives did not identify with the Republican Party.

58 @51 haha fair enough.  Gibbs' grasp of reality is non-existent, that is very true.

59 55 Gibbs only knows what his master tells him to know.

60

Obama and Gibbs can spin it anyway they want and they are expected to do. The 435 members of congress up for re election next year know what happened last night. They know they got their ass handed to them in 2 blue states and they know NY 23 would have remained republican if the republicans would have run a candidate. I saw Hoffman on TV and he was about as inspiring as Henery Waxman.

Write your congressmen and remind them what happened last night.

61 @54
The New Jersey results are really bad news for Illinois Democrats.
Oh I hope so.

...then again, we have cap n tax Kirk running for Senate

62 that district sent its first non-Republican to Congress since before the Civil War."

That's a fucking lie and it's not even close to the truth; did any of the journo cocksuckers call the Family Guy out on this or are they dumb enough to swallow that jizz?

63

Is this the football thread? Go, Bronc-- . . .

(Dammit, Dede Scozzafava just endorsed the Steelers.)

64 We know who Obama/Gibbs/Emanuel/Axelrod/Pelosi/Reid, etc. are.

We know that they want to fundamentally and in most ways change our country into a socialist hell - heaven for them, hell for us.

But what the  fuck is up with the GOP & Gingrich supporting Scozzafava?     They are the ones that need a good ass kicking, no more donations, and to be shunned if they keep steering in this direction.

65 There are no Republicans in Virginia and New Jersey. No! None!

66 Late last night I heard one of the talking heads, it may have been Michael Barone, who was talking about the NY-23 was going to be redistricted this year to ensure the Dems can hold onto this seat. I don't know much about it but basically they are going to split it into 2 separate districts to be absorbed by adjacent solidly Democrat districts. So this may have been the last chance for this area to get a conservative anyway.

67
I think a better pic to go with this post is the Obama & Corzine campaign sign.

68 #32...Juan Williams made it sound like the only people voting yesterday were old, white, and white.  Oh, and old. 

69 I think Gibbs is right, in part. The impact of the election on Obama is indirect. Congress is another story; there's Dem legislators right now looking for the best places to hide from Nancy.

70 Thanks for answering my question, Vic, although you could have been less of an asshole about it.


(OT: Big tent in Queens.)

71 All I know is that the sane people will have moved far from anywhere near the NE Quadrant when the economic doo-doo hits than fan in 2011; and, we are not heading for the other loserville called Caleefoorrrnnniiia.

Only fools will remain intoxicated by the misguided HOPE that their Collectivist Billionaire slavemasters are going to save them from the misery about to crush their lives.

I do trust social liberalism is totally worth the pain;  at the end of the day this  is all such empty platitudes are able to offer.

72 The Corzine Syndrome in theaters Fall 2010

73

"local issues that didn't involve the president,"

Yeah Gibbs, the President Pantybunch does'nt need concern himself with jobs, taxes, or the free market.  As long as he watches himself on TV to make sure he maintains that stupid shit-eating arrogant posture while he reads a teleprompter, we'll all be just fine.  Yeah.

74 69 Nobody said it was direct.After all his ass wasn't on the line.Last night showed that at risk dems can't count on Mr.Wonderful pulling their ass out of the fire.That will give them pause when it comes time to vote for shit sandwiches A and B.(Pelosicare and Capancrap)

75 OT: Big Government has a post up with all the greatest hits of the "Schoolkids Fellating Jug-Ears" genre.  As in, 11 of them:  http://tinyurl.com/yh9zrby

76 Hey Gibbs (and the RNC), in case you didn't get the message, here it is:

http://tiny.cc/s0WW4

77

Capt. Hate

Thanks for your continuing efforts at keeping our discussions on a higher plane. Your eruditity enriches us all.

 

///

78 Robert Gibbs spins so much Demi Moore could shape a clay vase on him.

79 Another little blot on the evening is that the lib candidate came from far behind (via attack ads) to take out the favored conservative for King Country Executive.

80 Thanks for answering my question, Vic, although you could have been less of an asshole about it

 

Sorry, didn’t mean to come across as an asshole.

81
I'm curious to know how much of the votes for Dodo were absentee ballots cast before she dropped out.

82

One wonders if the Won understands how utterly stupid he sounds when he says he didn’t keep up with the elections last night. This after campaigning for them extensively.

83 As happy as I am about the outcome of the NJ race, one should not understate the extent to which Corzine is just a giant douchnozzle.  I mean, most of my Dem neighbors (i.e. all my neighbors except for one Indian guy, Vishnu bless him) voted for Corzine, but none of them like the guy - in fact most think he's a total douche, especially after the SUV crash thing.  It is hard to win when even your natural base freely admits that you're an ass.

The other big factor was no Barrack Obama motivating "yout voters" and minorities to get out to the polls, just a contest between two dumpy-looking white guys.  Of course, there will be no B.O. next year either.

84

One wonders if the Won understands how utterly stupid he sounds when he says he didn’t keep up with the elections last night. This after campaigning for them extensively.

BLASPHEMER!

85 Vic he is used to lying blatantly and getting away with it. He has been doing it for over 2 years now why stop. Remember "I could no more disown the Rev. Wright than my own grandmother.", the week after"That is not the Rev. Wright I knew."?

86

One wonders if the Won understands how utterly stupid he sounds when he says he didn’t keep up with the elections last night. This after campaigning for them extensively.

Posted by: Vic at November 04, 2009 12:24 PM (CDUiN)

Il Douche says stupid stuff all the time and doesn't get called out for it so how would he know?  I wish just one reporter had the nads to ask him where Cousin Pookie was.

87 YOU'RE ALL FAT!!!

88 Unless the Civil War was fought in 1993, I would say Gibbs is spinning or dare I say lying?

And even Tapper just takes dictation, without calling bullshit. "But Gibbs said 'I think...'" is no excuse. He made that shit up, and he got it run. That's all he wanted.

89
Question

Without Hoffman in the race, do you think Dodo would have won or lost?

90 Oh and by the way Gibbs ^{(and Ace)}, the main worry given in the exit polls was the economy, if that doesn't have direct relation to O, I'll take a ride on the V ship and worship our new lizard overlords.

91 I still think that Ace should put a flaming skull for NJ going RED.

Insane!
Absolute rib-cracking body blow to Obambi.

92 Catch me if you can! Bwahahahahaha!

93 Fact Check the Fat Fuck.FCTFF

94 The blog is bogging down again. Mr. Explorer sez it's script issues.

95 The problem with Gibbs's take, and the MSM in pushing it, is that they only people they are going to convince is Dem voters.

Which isn't a problem at all if you are looking to get rid of a lot of Dems in '10.

Keep telling disaffected Republican, Conservative and Independent voters that the Dem policies still enjoy a mandate, and you end up encouraging the voters against those policies to come to the polls, while giving little motivation to the supporters of those policies to do so.

Why should 20 somethings drag themselves out of their Mom's basements when the WH keeps telling them "nothing to see here, everything is A-OK"?

96

Without Hoffman in the race, do you think Dodo would have won or lost?

Who knows or cares, the point is that both Hoffman and Dodo sucked. Hoffman didn't live there, he didn't know the issues facing the district and he was lousy on TV.

97 Well, this should prove to anyone with a brain that Obama no longer has the Midas Touch. I wonder how many Dem Congressfolk and Senators will tell Obama "Thanks but no thanks" next year during the campaign season?

98

O/T kind of: More Obama smart diplomacy via his most educated Secretary of State:

Hillary Clinton told Al-Jazeera in an interview that the US wants to see an Israeli capital in East Jerusalem.  Apparently, the chief diplomat of the United States and the woman who ran on her experience in foreign affairs did not remember that East Jerusalem is primarily Palestinian:

99 Christie won but how much bigger would his margin have been without fraud?Last night was great but the dems still have a massive voter fraud machine and virtually nothing is being done(by the Feds anyway)to stop it.

100 Does Obama get the black turnout in 2012? Do they come out in the same numbers? I can think of a few reasons why they would not.

101 Late last night I heard one of the talking heads, it may have been Michael Barone, who was talking about the NY-23 was going to be redistricted this year to ensure the Dems can hold onto this seat. I don't know much about it but basically they are going to split it into 2 separate districts to be absorbed by adjacent solidly Democrat districts. So this may have been the last chance for this area to get a conservative anyway.

This is correct.  Lawrence O'Donnell was using the same logic to claim "democrats don't care what happens in NY23.  They actually wouldn't mind losing it."

I didn't watch Lawrence last night, but I'm guessing he took a train ride into the Land of Make Believe and he never made these statements.

102 100 I can think of a few reasons why they will.$ aka "Obama's stash"aka a little sumthin' sumthin'....

103

If Hoffman had not been in the race and it was only Dede she would have lost by a larger margin. ALL of the real conservatives would have stayed at home as well as the real moderate Republicans. It would have been a race between the self-identified Democrat and the more liberal lying Democrat.

 

On a different tack

 

Has anyone tried loading IE-8 to see if it will help with the problem. MS gave me an update to 7 this morning on their auto-downloads and it is now worse than ever. Hell I just had to reboot the computer because even task manager would not work.

104 My NoScript add-on in Firefox says it's blocking 15 scripts on this page. I can't even view this page in IE.

105 #32...Juan Williams made it sound like the only people voting yesterday were old, white, and white.  Oh, and old. 

Posted by: The Hammer at November 04, 2009 12:19 PM (YBTwf)

Yeah, well, guess what. The Gray Panthers will be out in force in 2010, too. We vote, every election. Many of us voted half-heartedly for McCain. Give us a candidate we really like, and we will cancel every damn yoot vote every time. Most of us still have our memory (note: most), and we are going to be watching these idiots in districts that aren't all that safe. Obama isn't on the ballot in 2010. Chet Edwards here in Texas better be watching his ass. No threats, just promises.

106 102 I think they were expecting more stash. Did those people who didn't get their money in those long lines get pissed? at all?

107 On topic - I would bet that a large majority of Dede voters were straight-ticket R's. Not that it excuses their ignorance, but it was bound to happen after she withdrew.

108 Hoffman is going to crush Owens in 2010. Provided the moronic Republicans nominate him again. Knowing them, they'll nominate Owens.

Another big story is that Westchester county went Red. Astorino kicked Andy Spano to the curb. This is a fairly blue county, although Northern Westchester is very red. In fact Republicans practically swept the Northern Towns. The papers were trying to save Dem face by saying they won the Mayor of White Plains, but because of NY's stupid election laws, Bradley ran on all the lines. That's right Democrat, Republican, Conservative, Independent. And he got 100% of the vote.

A third big story is how Republicans won big in muni elections in Connecticut. Not exactly a red state either.

Dems should be shitting themselves.

109

There are a couple of things to keep in mind about redistricting.

 

If the redistricting is not done because of population decline the total number of seats does not change. If the Dems pull a higher concentration of Dems into one district it results in a higher number of Repubs in a district somewhere.

 

If they are doing it because of seat loss, even though we may lose a House seat that could have been Republican, overall NY is losing seats AND presidential electors which minimizes liberal influence in the general elections.

110
Gibbs' factoid about Democrats not losing that seat "since the civil war" is in fact wrong, and comes from Kos' post last night.

Rove must be posting at Kos posting crazy stuff to see how stupid Gibbs and Kumar will be.

That Magnificent Bastard.

111

Hey he is speaking to the propaganda media and knows that they will continue to print the DNC brief sheet word for word. 

The DNC PR machine continues to stick its head in the sand with fingers firmly planted in their ears humming loudly.  "Lapdog" Obermann and "Tingle Legs" Christy will find a new lie to provide the cover and deception necessary, thats what they get paid for, neither are really reporters.

112

Look, I will list it off for you. Here are the issues that concern the President:

1. The NBA

2. Pick-up basketball games

3. Golf

4. Date night with Michelle

5. Bailing out newspapers and GE.

Anything else, not our concern. Got it. Good.

113 Unless the "civil war" you're talking about was the 1992 election. A Democrat won that seat in 1993.

Actually, Ace, it appears as if NY-23 was represented by a Democrat from 1979 through 1993, until some redistricting occurrred.*

*- Warning: Sourced from Wikipedia.

114 106 Oh I'm sure they are pissed.I'm sure they will get more pissed when the inflation hits and the goodies are worth even less.They will blame the white public in general not their messiah.I see riots in our future....

115 I just love the stern, pensive 0bama pose. Inspiration swells inside of me. I mean, really, this guy is a member of the same species as me? Imagine my good fortune.

116

I didn't watch Lawrence last night, but I'm guessing he took a train ride into the Land of Make Believe and he never made these statements.

Actually, he was on Madcows show and reiterated the point. At the time, the outcome in NY-23 was not known. He also took a cheap shot a Fox and Palin (anyone surprised).

117 Need Spin? Go to the Moderate, Centrist Kos! The cobloggers tell me that Gibbs' factoid about Democrats not losing that seat "since the civil war" is in fact wrong, and comes from Kos' post last night.

Who needs facts when we have a narrative to push?

118 White House: "Fiddle-dee-dee!"

119 Tonight's big lesson by kos Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 09:32:52 PM PST

There will be much number-crunching tomorrow, but preliminary numbers (at least in Virginia) show that GOP turnout remained the same as last year, but Democratic turnout collapsed. This is a base problem, and this is what Democrats better take from tonight:

If you abandon Democratic principles in a bid for unnecessary "bipartisanship", you will lose votes. If you water down reform in favor of Blue Dogs and their corporate benefactors, you will lose votes. If you forget why you were elected -- health care, financial services, energy policy and immigration reform -- you will lose votes.

Tonight proved conclusively that we're not going to turn out just because you have a (D) next to your name.....

___________________________________________________________

So let me get this straight, it is horrible for libs to run "moderates" because, well, they lose.  However, conservatives MUST run "big tent" candidates or they will...lose?!?!?  Is Markos really this delusional?  I give it about 8 hours before C'fn'J gets his marching orders from Kos and starts trying to legitimize this theory on LGF.

 

 

120 What would they be spinning if Hoffman had actually won?  Their sterling come from behind victory in CA-10?

121

" Gibbs sucks dick."

I agree, Gibbs gobbles manmeat.  Nice spin by the way, I guess Barack and Gibbsy do not realize that America is watching.....

122

Hoffman didn't live there,

True, but moot. He could have easily moved the eight miles in order to claim residence in the district. This is common with public officials, school superintendents, etc., but they don't move until they're offered the job.

he didn't know the issues facing the district

Of the three candidates, he was the only one whose ads even mentioned an issue facing the district (keeping Fort Drum open).

and he was lousy on TV.

I read a lot about Reagan and Teh Fred around here, and I'm sure it's not all about their on-camera time. There's more to politics than telegenics.

123

There will be much number-crunching tomorrow, but preliminary numbers (at least in Virginia) show that GOP turnout remained the same as last year, but Democratic turnout collapsed. This is a base problem, and this is what Democrats better take from tonight:

Which, in one sentenace, summarizes why Markos knows as much about politics as I know about playing in the NBA. Nothing.

Markos, you are clearly not too bright, so let me walk this through for your real slow. It was an off year election. In every off-year election, what you see is a reduction in turnout. That often reduces these fights down to which side is more motivated. In this case, Republicans are more motivated. They were able to get out the same number of votes in an off year as they did for a Presidential year. And what is motivating them: your guy. The 2 big issues in Virginia - the economy and health care. Somehow, I can't see you spinning this as merely a "local" issue.

Also, Markos, your analysis does not account for the 18 point swing in independents voting. The Republican governor got an 18 point bounce out of independents that John McCain did not. If McCain gets the 18 points, he wins Virginia.

Finally, Markos, Virginia proves one point I have been arguing about: the large youth vote for Obama was not necessarily about what he stood for but more of a fad that swept through college campuses a year ago. It became a cool, trendy thing to do - lets go to an Obama rally. It was not about the ideas he had, or the policies he articulated, or about the New Democratic Party. It was about being seen and seeing at the hot new nightclub for college kids. 3 years from now, will it be just as cool, just as trendy. Or is your boy about to become the disco/New Wave/Grunge fad of modern American politics.

124 UGH! Facts are just such a BITCH!

125 Nicely put Mallamut.  Needs more snark on Kos though.  A "screw them" would suffice.

Obama got college kids and blacks to vote in record numbers.  Hopefully he'll be on those 2010 ballots.

126

66 Late last night I heard one of the talking heads, it may have been Michael Barone, who was talking about the NY-23 was going to be redistricted this year to ensure the Dems can hold onto this seat. I don't know much about it but basically they are going to split it into 2 separate districts to be absorbed by adjacent solidly Democrat districts. So this may have been the last chance for this area to get a conservative anyway.

They can not do that until the next census in 2010, which would mean redistricting in 2011 or 2012

127 The "civil war" comment may be from the NY Times.  The Times uses "19th Century" though.  It appeared on page A24.

NY Times article

Probably a Kos or HuffPo literary read of the Times piece.

128 According to Wikipedia, Gibbs has been Obama's main adviser since 2004. So, when Gibbs speaks for Obama, it is really Gibbs speaking, not the teleprompter. And, did you know, Helen Keller was a co-founder of the ACLU? It is true, and it figures.

129

HERE'S A DOOZY OF A QUESTION.

If Obama had nothing to do with the outcomes in the 2 Governor races.

 

WHY DID HE GO THERE?

Afghanistan is calling  President McLeisure, will you answer.

130

Nicely put Mallamut.  Needs more snark on Kos though.  A "screw them" would suffice.

Markos does not need snark from me. He has is on misreable existence to remind him that he is a douchebag. That, and the only media figure that treats him with any respect is Keith Olbermann.

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"If they are doing it because of seat loss, even though we may lose a House seat that could have been Republican, overall NY is losing seats AND presidential electors which minimizes liberal influence in the general elections."

Redistricting will be done after the 2010 census, which will be conducted next summer. It probably will not be finished in time for the 2010 midterms, though certainly before 2012. My guess is that New York will lose one seat in the House, perhaps two, as people flee New York for more business-friendly states - unless the administration decides to use "scientific sampling" to juice the results in favor of blue states, in which case I expect to see WWIII in the courts.

132 Ummm, that "civil war" Gibby talks of was obviously the 2008 elections.  Everyone knows that time and history SIMPLY DO NOT EXIST prior tor to the Obama ascension with only one exception, that of course being "all problems are Bush's fault"

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A Democrat won that seat in 1993.

To be fair, that Democrat ran a campaign exploiting the public's horror to the blood spilled at Appomattox, so I don't think you can draw any conclusions from it.

134 Off topic somewhat but who was responsible for this red state/blue state crap? The reason I ask is because being red is a reference to communism which more closely fits the Dem Party. The Republicans have never been associated with that. Just as in not calling scandals /gate, as it is a reference to a Republican scandal, why did we get in the habit of calling Republicans red? To those of us old enough to remember what a red is, it has negative connotations. I realize it will never be corrected but just curious as to how that label came our way.

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Off topic somewhat but who was responsible for this red state/blue state crap? The reason I ask is because being red is a reference to communism which more closely fits the Dem Party. The Republicans have never been associated with that. Just as in not calling scandals /gate, as it is a reference to a Republican scandal, why did we get in the habit of calling Republicans red? To those of us old enough to remember what a red is, it has negative connotations. I realize it will never be corrected but just curious as to how that label came our way.

The redstate/blue state crap started at ABC news when they decided they wanted to color code their damn election map. They decided the Republicans would be red. Surprised?

136  Surprised?

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 04, 2009 02:05 PM (V9SYy)

Not in the least!

137 I can hardly wait until next year to hear MORE "BAD NEWS" like this.

138 I can excuse Obama watching an HBO special about himself, even if there were election returns coming in.  Heck, I know I would, if someone made a documentary about me. Plus, they have plenty of TVs in the White House. Surely he can track more than one thing at a time.

What I can't excuse is that he watched something on HBO that the studio most certainly gave to him BEFORE last night. So he's watching a rerun.

If he didn't get an advance copy, he's dumber than I thought.

139

I used to think that Baghdad Bob, the ever optimistic flack for Saddam Hussein had been reincarnated as a pasty faced pudgy white boy named Robert Gibbs.

But that's being cruel to Baghdad Bob.  He got reincarnated as a cockroach underneath the wash stand next to a Mumbai hooker's bed--a much kinder fate than coming back as our boy Gibbsie.  What a frickin' tool that doofus is.

140 The "civil war" factoid was also on the prior "The Daily Show" - so the White House staffer who fed it to Gibbs may have just gotten it from there rather than Gibbs.  Although I'm sure it all filters down to one lone tard blogger.

141 "rather than Gibbs" --> "rather than DailyKos"

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Would it be too much trouble for Gibbs to say, "Allah will roast their stomachs in Hell'?  Just once?

143 By the by, what I've come to think of NY's 23rd district hasn't always been called the "23rd district." But if you mean the congressional district that includes the roof of New York State, then yeah, that's been represented by a Republican since about forever.

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RE: 134, 135

Think redneck (where I live that's a good word!), red meat (again, a good thing around these parts), and best of all---a good thing wherever you go: RED-BLOODED!

(as opposed to blue-nose, blue-blood, "blue" movies, etc.)

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The redstate/blue state crap started at ABC news when they decided they wanted to color code their damn election map. They decided the Republicans would be red. Surprised?

Actually it's swapped over the years. I can recall during Reagan vs. Carter when I was a mere lad of 12 that they used blue for the states Reagan carried.

146 #134 It came from the colors used by the networks to mark states in presidential elections. They used to change randomly (I'm pretty sure Carter was red when Reagan beat them).  But when the color started to be used as a political label the networks quit flipping them around.

147 Actually, Ace, it appears as if NY-23 was represented by a Democrat from 1979 through 1993, until some redistricting occurrred.*
*- Warning: Sourced from Wikipedia.

posted by: Jazz at November 04, 2009 12:50 PM (hnq5i)

Jazz...Don't worry about Wiki.  The Democrat of whom you speak is Michael McNulty-D, still serving in the 111th congress, albeit in another district now, and keeping verrrry quiet because the Dems are making such great hay over this.  What a slime.  He's mum, but he knows it's all BS.  Google the guy and the year.  It's all there, and there's a lot of it.

 

 

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