1 Shocka!

2 The notion that you'd better vote for the Democrat because the Republican will gut the military base in town is too hilarious for words.  Who the hell are they trying to kid?

Qwinn

3 Psych!  I knew this would happen all along.  I was just funnin' ya'll.

4 Hey Newt can you hear me now? The couch calls you, and as the Fonz once said " sit on it"

5 So now Owens has one more vote. All of the sheeple that would listen to Scozzafava were already voting for Owens anyway.

6 And incidentally, I -really- hope this is the last we'll ever hear of Newt Gingrich as some supposed conservative leader.  I've -never- liked him, not even back in his best days, and he's pretty much a full fledged RINO now.

Wait.  I take that back.  Newt is a -consummate- Republican.  But he's barely a conservative, and hasn't been for some time.  Never really understood all the affection some have for him anyway, but I sure hope that's over now.

Qwinn

7 MY Tinfoil Hat says sumthin just ain't right here folks!

8 Elle est une salope ROYALE.

9
I don't know, I just can't get over feeling bad for her. Perhaps she's in shock. Lets not rush to judgement here.

10

Her next campaign will be as a Dem.

 

Takers?

11 "It’s not in the cards for me to be your representative...."

DeDe, you were playing Crazy 8's when everyone else was playing Poker.

Or you were playing Rook with the red one, black one and black 2 being trumps, and demanding that the yellow 3 become one as well.

Enjoy your new career as a Democrat, DeDe. 

12 Disingenuous political hack, good riddance.

13 Well I think she just proved us right didn't she.

14

Choke.  On.  It.  You.  Pathetic.  Brain-Damaged.  Unprincipled.  "Reasonable."  Supporters.  Of.  "Winnable."  Candidates.

You pack of fools.

15 Sock out.

16 I see Beck having his highest ratings this week.

17 From the comments under the article, proof the electorate is fucking clueless:

By north country  Sun., Nov. 01 at 2:40 pmA Republican endorsing a Democrat?
This race just keeps getting stranger and stranger.

What's next, dogs and cats living together???

18 Look!

Newt in a balloon!

19 If Newt has any decency left, he'll go commit seppuku in front of Sarah Palin's house.

20 I will say this - it is really sucky that when you buy a whole bunch of celery when you only need one or two stalks, and then the rest just sits in the fridge and liquifies. 

I can be understanding about that.

21
Dodo Scooz, yesterday: "I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my party will emerge stronger..."

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

22 Talk about the long march through the institutions.  The progressives/libs finally figured out  that all they have to do to guarantee election in a two party system is to infiltrate the second party so it won't matter the party affiliation of the person election, they'll always be a lib.

23 Oh man, i want to laugh, but, damn. How much you want to bet Frum writes a Daily Beast article excoriating the evil "purists" who, through their actions, forced this fine upstanding Republican to endorse the Democrat. "Moderates" are like an insecure, needy girlfriend. They whine and threaten to leave if you don't call them every hour and live your life for their every whim, pretty sick of 'em.

24 It was obvious what she was when she tried to have a reporter arrested for asking her a question. If it isn't obvious to Newt and others who now feel sorry for her, their credibility really needs to be questioned.

25

What a female dog.

I will forgive newt, but come on man, you backed a left of democrats candidate, went to the mat for her calling Hoffman a carpet bagger, and now she would rather see the democrat win over the conservative. How could you have such bad judgement? 

This woman is a hack. Thank god she didn't win this election. I think we need to put this general "is it good for a third party....what does it portend for the...." arguments. Let's look at this specific instance and say with certainty that this women would have made a terrrible Republican congresswomen.

26 Look!

Newt in a balloon!

Fire at will.

27
Folks-
I enjoy a good snark as much as the next person, but obnoxious in victory is never appealing.  I applaud her for doing the right thing for her party and her country. 


Posted by: pep

28

22Talk about the long march through the institutions.  The progressives/libs finally figured out  that all they have to do to guarantee election in a two party system is to infiltrate the second party so it won't matter the party affiliation of the person election, they'll always be a lib

Posted by: Holdfast at November 01, 2009 03:48 PM (Gzb30

 

Bingo We have a Winnner!

29 Well, so much for my comment that she was exiting the race with some measure of grace....

30 The RNC spent $900,000+ propping up her campaign. Our party leadership did a heckuva job with this one.

31 ace (not ace) was one of my favorite bands in the 80s.

32 NY politics are so fucked up. Liberal Democrat Andy Spano is running on the Conservative line for Westchester County Executive as part of some backroom deal. Its really disgusting.

33
Good for her.  While we may not agree with her views on many issues, at least she showed some good taste in not splitting the Republican/Conservative votes.

This deserves kudos and appreciation.

-J
Posted by: I'm just joshin...

34 While this race was an exceptional one for a 3rd party Conservative candidate, it's going to make the conservatives in other tight primary races a bit more clout-y.

35 What a monkey cunt.

36 "Dodo Scooz, yesterday: "I am and have always been a proud Republican. It is my hope that with my actions today, my party will emerge stronger..."

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight"


She is right.  These are the types of people the party has to purge to make the party stronger.  Its one thing to compromise for a working majority or at least be an effective minority, its another thing to run candidates to the left of the Democrat.

37 wow Newt is looking more irrevelant as this race continues to progress

38 Not surprised.

And yeah, she's not bitter, not at all.

39 Okay, where did the $900,000 figure come from?  I saw $300,000 when this all came to our attention, but now people are tossing around that far larger figure.  Anyone have a source for that? 

40 She picked up Arlen Specter's "How to be a politician CD" out of the bargain bin at Best Buy.

41
I'm with some here and Allah. I hold no ill will against her. She didn't actively run for this, she was prodded and then chosen. I think she probably as surprised as anyone she was chosen, and in the end she did the right thing.
Posted by: Tendstl

42

Oh man, i want to laugh, but, damn. How much you want to bet Frum writes a Daily Beast article excoriating the evil "purists" who, through their actions, forced this fine upstanding Republican to endorse the Democrat. "Moderates" are like an insecure, needy girlfriend. They whine and threaten to leave if you don't call them every hour and live your life for their every whim, pretty sick of 'em.

honestly who cares about David Frum. This is the same guy who wrote an article 10 days ago mocking the right for saying Hoffman "had a chance to win". Now here we are, the republican dropped out and endorsed the Dem, and Hoffman with a chance to win the election.  He is a joke. I have no problem with moderates in the Republican party, but they need to recognize they are the minority in the party and therefore do not get to decide its direction.

If he wanted to really help the party, which i do not think he does. He would use his influence of moderates(which i doubt exists) to push for republicans in the northeast where you have to be moderate to win. And he should then let the conservatives try to win in areas where conservatives win.

He will sit there and tell us that we can't run conservatives in conservative districts, but when we tell him that he can't run moderates in conservative districts, we are called crazy and fringe.

He doesn't want to help the party, he wants to ingratiate himself to the cocktail party crowd and keep his job as a "house republican" on the NYT

43 Hey, Newt! Little help here. Can you shift your endorsement to me now?

44
If she had no honor she wouldn't have dropped out. She has nothing to lose. Yes she is a RINO, but at the very least give her kudos for dropping out.
Posted by: Tendstl

45 "If Newt has any decency left, he'll go commit seppuku in front of Sarah Palin's house."

I hope the bears are hybernating already, or a whole bunch of 'em will eat good off of Newt's guts.  And Sarah would have to pull out a pretty hefty weapon to bag 'em.

46

27 Folks-
I enjoy a good snark as much as the next person, but obnoxious in victory is never appealing.  I applaud her for doing the right thing for her party and her country.  Posted by: pep

Yeah, I',m a little confused as to what her party is?

 

47 All right, Michael Steele. Time to say something. Yes, the microphone is on. Here, here's a pad and pen if you need to organize your thoughts. We're waiting.

48 My thought on appeasing the moderates goes to McCain: we ran your asswipe candidate and the only people who voted for him were grudging conservatives! You all voted for Obama, so who gives a shit what you think anyway.

49
She did the right thing.  She can go back to her regular job and know that she gave Hoffman a decent chance against the dem.
Posted by: curious

50 This is unhelpful for my family's quest to defeat that awful fake-pregnancy snowbilly.

51 If she had honor she would have been a conservative and when she quit endorsed a conservative. She has no honor. 

52

newt is such an idiot.. I'm a very recent ex-democrat.. and heck this woman would have been too liberal for me to vote for....its not that hard to figure out if you just looked at her record...  

how the hell did the RNC not realise this?  are they listening to Newt?.. I'm sorry, but I never liked Newt.. to me he seems like a man with an ego bigger than Obama's ears.. and thinks people listen to him.. a very pompous man

53
Scozza did the right thing by dropping out. Let's acknowledge that, and move on to kicking some Democrat butt.
Posted by: Brown Line

54 Hopefully this will wake up the type of voter who only votes for the "R" or the "D" and pays no attention to what a candidate stands for

A long time ago a gaggle of LaRouches about got into office in Illinois or something (think they ran as Dems). I don't remember the details, I was just a kid; but the lesson was: Pay attention.

55 Wait. I take that back. Newt is a -consummate- Republican. But he's barely a conservative, and hasn't been for some time. Never really understood all the affection some have for him anyway, but I sure hope that's over now.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 01, 2009 03:43 PM

Exactly. I think we can stop using the term "RINO" now. "Republican" now means "I stand for whatever will get me elected". Thus, someone who is a conservative, who is principled and who stands for something is now a "RINO".

56

Pete Sessions, Chairman of the NRCC, and Guy Harrison, Executive Director of the NRCC need to be fired immediatly.  They spent nearly a million dollars on a dud of an candidate who then stabbed the party in the back when it became clear she could not win.

I can't tell you how pissed I am at our party establishment.

57 @47

are you serious? Is he even paying attention? HAHAHA! RNC chairman my ass, he's probably curled up under his desk with a blankie, wondering when it will all be over. Damn the GOP has no balls.

58 Oh, speaking of Newt, he held some sort of bullshit seminar that purportedly highlights successful business men, but is really just a way for him to raise money. Someone donates a couple thousand and they receive an award, you know the drill. Anyway, one of the businessmen for this seminar turned out to be the owner of a strip club in Dallas. Now, i don't have a problem with that, but of course democrats had a field day with it, "family values conservative Gingrich honors strip club owner etc...". Gingrich eventually had to give back the money the strip club owner had donated and remove him from the award winners list. The whole thing was stupid, but it's just another example that whatever political acumen Newt once had is long gone.

59

Tweet, being a big prick

I was wondering what you were doing. And I like it.

60
I just don't see a downside for Hoffman to come out and thank her for what she did.
Posted by: Tendstl

Thanks a fucking lot, Dede for dropping out...and endorsing Owens.

Wait.

what?

61

You think, "Boy if Newt were here, what a piece of my mind I would give him!"  And then you realize that if he doesn't know what he should do or say now you wouldn't be able to convince him if you talked all day.  So, the ball is in Newt's court.  If he wants forgiveness he'll have to beg for it in terms that make it clear that he knows how wrong he has been.  The same goes for all those party officials who decided she was a republican who could win.  They are the real threat to the republican party, not the third party candidates.

62 SCOZZAFAVA THROWS SUPPORT TO OWENS

And to think, the idiot Republican Party actually backed this tool.

Sheesh.

63 Choke. On. It. You. Pathetic. Brain-Damaged. Unprincipled. "Reasonable." Supporters. Of. "Winnable." Candidates.

You pack of fools.

Posted by: barbelle at November 01, 2009 03:45 PM

How dare you question your betters. Don't you know the goal is to win, not stand for any principles? Just simply win. Need a majority, no matter if that is a majority of liberal Republicans who vote for Democrat policies. At least we won!!!

64


Hey Newt.........how about it buddy? I'm dyin' over here.

65
she was the ultimate sock puppet
Posted by: dananjcon at October 31, 2009 12:00 PM

*This was the best comment in the whole thread yesterday. It's funny 'cuz it's true.*

66 What a piece of shit.  And thank you for validating that every RINO in the Republican party needs to go.  You fucking assholes like toeing the line, giggling with the democrats just to keep Republicans nervous and be little darlings of the press.  I've got a newsflash for you, take your maverick beliefs and stick them up your ass. 

There is only one type of moderate Republican that I will ever give the time of day to. 

"Folks, I am a Republican.  I do not believe that opposing gay marriage and abortion rights is productive to the political atmosphere in this country.  These issues are just too divisive to be a litmus test of the Republican party.  But, make no mistake about it, while I do not agree that these positions should define the Republican party, I absolutely believe that the tax and spend policies of the Democratic party will lead to the destruction of the economy of the United States as we now know it.  While there are issues that may differ in importance based on regional and local politics, there is no member of the Republican party who can expect the support of the party faithful while abandoning the core fiscal principals that have made this Nation great.  It is time to set aside our smaller differences, and unite behind the things that we absolutely cannot retreat on, ever.  If we do, we have failed our supporters, and ultimately failed those who came before us and made the United States what it was prior to the abandonment of sound fiscal policy to tax and spend economic suicide."

67

newt.org

look on the thread with newt endoring hoffman and praising dede s.   people are pissed beyond words at newt!

68

And... the mask comes off once Halloween is over.

Anyone with an ounce of grey matter told anyone who was willing to listen this bitch was a lefty in a RINO's coat. But nooooooooooo! We have to be open to the big tent philosophy of party building, don't we. We're not allowed to build the party around a core set of values, ideals, and virtues, are we?

All the Newt and David Frum types have accomplished is prove once again how utterly wrong they are on anything to do with the running of this party. It was only the efforts of dedicated, scrupulous Conservative Republicans that have unmasked this hog whose only future political hopes are to run as an openly Dem candidate.

A new day is dawning. Wake up and smell the coffee you spineless squishes.

69 Better that she be a turncoat now than when she gets into the House.  I hope those looser hacks in the RNC figure this shit out, I am tired of being in a part of fools..

70 I hope the bears are hybernating already, or a whole bunch of 'em will eat good off of Newt's guts.  And Sarah would have to pull out a pretty hefty weapon to bag 'em.
Posted by: Intrepid at November 01, 2009 03:56 PM (92zkk)

She's got that AR-15 in .50 Beowulf that the NRA gave her.  That should work.

71

"the party faithful while abandoning the core fiscal principals that have made this Nation great"

bingo!  that's main very main concern of mine... leave all the social disagreements out ... fiscal principles, indiv. rights principles are most important to independents.

72 #56: Pete Sessions, Chairman of the NRCC, and Guy Harrison, Executive Director of the NRCC need to be fired immediatly.  They spent nearly a million dollars on a dud of an candidate who then stabbed the party in the back when it became clear she could not win.

I can't tell you how pissed I am at our party establishment.

i really can't be upset with the leadershit of the RINOP, as this sort of thing is to be expected from their ilk.

it is long past time for the grassroots to kick them out, and  start over, building up a replacement that can proudly carry the name GOP once again.

as a start, not a dime to any general party organization, but only to targeted individuals who pass muster and inspection, as well as PAC's that are oriented to the same goals.  if all else fails, there is always the NRA-ILA, who will support conservatives of both parties.

73 I suspect they really didn't parse out what they were doing, not that THAT hasn't happened before. Small wonder I don't donate to the national party any more, they give money to democrats.

PS... Newt can still go pound sand.

74 She will not be getting my precious bodily fluids.

Her essence is not pure.

75 Tell the crew to abandon the compartments taking on this putrid water because it's time to dog the hatches and let any of the remaining jackasses with long memories drown before we all go down.
Seriously.
Let. Them. El-ephen. Drown.
Whichever clown(s) was/were responsible for allowing this scuzzypaloozer to run with an R in front of her name should be tied up in burlap and thrown back into the leftist sewer from which they sprung.
As for party affiliation, an R that does not embrace the spirit of this country and doggedly pursue the rights of the individual according to the foundational principles of this country might as well be a French Socialist or Obama voter.
At this point, it's damn near impossible to find an NY party republican - or any Nor' East republican for that matter, that appears to be anything other than another excuse for National Democrat.

76 if all else fails, there is always the NRA-ILA, who will support conservatives of both parties.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 01, 2009 04:11 PM (d1FhN)

Didn't the NRA support Scozzy?  I thought I read that recently.

77 Hey but you know, it's not Dede's fault that the evil Snowbilly and Rodeo Clown Beck encouraged people to turn to 3rd party. Nope, Dede's justified in doing this because of "teh evil terroristic rightwing mob conservative grassroots". Did you hear? They've actually listened to a Ron Paul speech. PAULTARDS!!!!!! We must purge them, immediately, cuz MeggieMac is the only way to go forward. Can I see your funbags now Megs?

78 /sockpuppet

79 I think at least its good she did this now..... its all exposed... and I thank Hoffman for running.. if he hadn't... this radical looney would have gotten into the House and would have been the 1 freaking "bipartisan" vote for another damn stimulus bill.. and god only only what other spending crap...

80 In Newt's defense, he's been so worried about global warming lately that the poor dear's just not thinking straight.

81 58 Oh, speaking of Newt, he held some sort of bullshit seminar that purportedly highlights successful business men, but is really just a way for him to raise money. Someone donates a couple thousand and they receive an award, you know the drill. Anyway, one of the businessmen for this seminar turned out to be the owner of a strip club in Dallas. Now, i don't have a problem with that, but of course democrats had a field day with it, "family values conservative Gingrich honors strip club owner etc...". Gingrich eventually had to give back the money the strip club owner had donated and remove him from the award winners list. The whole thing was stupid, but it's just another example that whatever political acumen Newt once had is long gone.

Helps illustrate a point where we need more Citizen Legislators like Hoffman instead of career pols like Newt..

82 Yeah Tweet I was wrong about ScozzBag.  I don't regret the sentiment.  While I withdraw my granting of kudos to her, I will always try to encourage and thank those that take steps that move things in the direction that I want them to move.  If I occasionally am wrong, so what. 

Then again, I'm often successful at converting people to my views which to me is more important than yelling "Nah Nah Nah Nah Boo Boo"

83 LOL. I just KNEW this would happen.

I read Ace's post last night about how be "feels bad" for Scuzzlebutt and how she's a "good person," and I immediately thought to myself: "This &%$#* is going to endorse Owens. Just wait."

Looks like I was right.

Good person? Yeah, right. She's a RINO leftist scumbag. She's so angry that the Republican grassroots wanted an actual conservative to win the district that she's now betraying her own party.

Let's all donate to her primary opponent next election.

84 Gawd, Newt - even Michael Medved endorsed Hoffman a couple weeks ago.  Even before Palin.

Michael. Medved. 

You are a first rate moron idiot, Newt.

85 Hate to say this but I think the republicans and the conservatives got played beautifully by the dems.  they want to be able to humiliate Sarah Palin on Tuesday and since NY 23 is the kind of district where everyone knows everyone, personally and since dede and hubby are big onion people and she is a "name brand" up there, when she says "vote for Owens", they are going to vote for owens.   But the district shows there really is no difference between the dems and the republicans.  So that means that regular folks who may think they are being represented, aren't.

Someone upthread said Beck's rating were up last week.  Well he had pretty good shows but the one on friday with bolton and the british lord fell flat.  they never really said anything of import.  The "lord" seemed more worried about America than Bolton.  Bolton seemed afraid to say anything controversial and "the lord" said a lot of controversial stuff which fell flat when Bolton said it wasn't so.  Not so sure I'm going to keep watching Beck.  somehow feel he is part of the administration, not against it.  they are such a slick administration, they make it so you don't know who you can trust.   If what Beck is saying is true, people should be angry.  Instead he is making them accept all of this, like training them to just be complacent.  It's a little frightening to watch no one care to stand up for the country.

86 I really hope someone is going to primary her next year for her Assembly seat.

...and her friend Assemblywoman Janet Duprey, who threw her the nomination against the preference of the majority of Republicans she represents.

87 Suckas!!

88

I think Nancy slipped Newt a mind altering drug when he sat on that couch with her.

89 The endorsement won't help Owens.  Her best pro-Owens move would have been to play the victim card, but remain "Republican".  Lots of whining and moaning about how the GOP good ol' boys shivved the loyal Republican girl.  Why?

Because the crosstabs in last week's polls showed that her greatest support was among Republican women.  Voting for Dede as a intra-party protest vote is one thing - voting for a self-avowed liberal turncoat is something else.

90 From TCOTReport.com:

Local Republicans Charge Corruption
What Kind of Job Did the White House Promise Scozzafava?

“In my opinion, you’ve got corrupt deal going on between the Obama White House and Dede Scozzafava. It’s Chicago politics in the 23rd NY Congressional District.”

Jim Ellis, Franklin County New York Republican Chairman

91
Then again, I'm often successful at converting people to my views which to me is more important than yelling "Nah Nah Nah Nah Boo Boo"

Yeah, that's called the blind leading the blind, where I'm from.

And this is why we lose at the polls...

92 Can't wait to hear from fast-talkin' polysyllabic asshole Gewt Numnuts .....

Gewt ?   Gewtros-Gewtros Golli ?   .....

The RINOP is morte .... finis ..... passed away ....

When - not if - the SHTF, folks are gonna be hunting Dems with dawgs, and the majority of RINOs too

Bankers, Talking Hairdos, Hollyweird and gov apparatchiks ?  Buh-bye !

93 This may be the most angry AOSHQ thread of the year.  Justifyably so.

94 I would happily take a Congressional loss if it meant that all the worthless garbage in charge of the RNC & RNCC were flushed away. Steele and Sessions being #1 & 2.
Their judgement in NY-23 is so humiliatingly wrong , nobody can have any faith in their judgement going forward.
It's also time to change the name of the Republican Party to the Conservative Party- at least when we lose it won't be from 5th columnists and traitors.

95

So Dede drops the mask, which also happens to be a tactically stupid move for the Democrats, but neither should come as a real surprise from her.

96 from what I understand... Hoffman gets the the voters who voted for him on the ballot... but he also now gets votes from anyone who voted for dede s. ("R") on the ballot (I think she will be printed on the ballot)... b/c now the republican party endorsed Hoffman so Hoffman gets voters who voted for him PLUS any "R" candidate votes... that's how some called form that district explained it on mark levin's show...

97 HuffPo is specifically SAYING that the Obama administration purchased Scuzzy's support.

What. A. Surprise.

98 94: I agree. Fuck it. Let's call ourselves the Conservative Party. The Republican Party brand is in the toilet anyway.

99
If you morons take a moment and think about who would've pulled the lever for Scooz, you'll realize her endorsement is insignificant.

Scooz was gonna the Anybody But The Democrat Vote. That's it.

Scooz was not going to get any 'progressive' votes, those are all going to Owens. Scooz's moderate support will be split 60/40 to Owens and Hoffman, respectively.

But the loyal (R) voters, by a margin of 3-1, will go to Hoffman. The rest will go to Scooz because they're too stupid or ignorant to realize she dropped out of the race and will still pull the lever for the (R).

This is still Hoffman's election to lose.

100 From NY For Mitt; looks like Hoffman will cruise to victory?
http://tinyurl.com/yanydnt

101 After giving him some conditional praise yesterday I have to wonder WTF is going on with the Repub party under Michael Steele.  That a cabal of squishes and Rinos could've nominated a backstabbing scrunt like Skeezerfava in a procedure which is the antithesis of openness and accountability is bad enough.  But then to compound the complicity to have an increasingly worthless gasbag like Neut shill for her in what seems to be a shameless desire to keep his mug in the limelight is just too fucking much.  If nothing else, this points out the complete lack of leadership at the top of the Repuke party and why Steele has been a disaster of a choice.

102 While I'm steaming, I'd like to add another sin that should result in a long island bitch slap for anyone who says it.

That would be pussy Republican senators referring to liberal senators as "my good friend".  Fuck that shit, these people are trying to destroy this country and you refer to them as your good friend?  Harry Reid is not my friend, he is a disgusting cockroach who deserves to be stepped on.

103 If Teh O did buy DeDe off with some sort of appointment later on, she'll discover that selling out one's "party" at such a time as this is much like selling one's birthright for a bowl of stew.  Sure, it hits the spot in the short run, but the consequences are hell later on.

104 This is O/T but Ally on the CNN money show said he is going to buy a house as they are at their lowest prices and he can get a good mortgage.  What is aggravating is that some people sold their homes somehow predicting this crash coming and now they will jump back in to a very down market.  the interesting thing was he said he has save twenty to thirty percent down and he had six to eight months of mortgage payments saved and he has a great credit score.  The host said "well this is what banks are requiring now" and he said "yes, i've always done this but they considered it nerdy" and she said "well it's not, this is how it is and Ally, "nerdy is the new black."    They also noted "no more living paycheck to paycheck" and made it seem that those people were somehow bad people.  Then they had a lovely woman on who predicted loss of white colar jobs and a second wave of foreclosures.  So some people will make out literally "like bandits" and others are screwed and will continue to be screwed until they may lose it all.  Honestly know people trying to seel their houses.  Can't do it.  Either people won't pay them enough to cover their existing mortgage and even then most will lose the money from previous houses that they put into this house or is they do get the "right buyer" that buyer ends up not getting the mortgage.  Seems the non home owners who got out at the top and seemed to see something the rest of us didn't see are going to be the winners.

105 97: Link?

106

>Scozzafava Endorses The Democrat

Good call, Newt. You pompous fat little troll.

107

I just tried to contact our former Speaker, but only got this message:

Newtered Gangreneich won't be available to help the Republican cause in New York for the foreseeable future.  He has lost interest in NY-23 and has thrown his full support behind Manuel Zelaya, the great moderate Republican running for the Presidency of Honduras, and will be out of the country for a while.  Any tin foil you could send would help, as the great Republican Zelaya has a need for more tin foil than is currently available in Honduras (due to those dastardly Israelis and their mind rays).  Send your tin foil to:

Great Republican Manuel Zelaya

Tin Foil Alley, Brazilian Embassy Basement, Honduras

 

And remember, just because you don't agree with Zelaya on 99% of the issues doesn't mean that he isn't a great Republican, dedicated to conservative values.  He signed a pledge (on tin foil, if you can believe that).

108 I'll say this again, and mean it a little more now.

I hope the GOP dies, and the Conservative party rises from it's ashes. 

109 I'm jumping on the "Hope and Change"™ bandwagon baby! Whooo hooo!!

110

http://tinyurl.com/ycjzks2
leave newt a comment at his site

111
May I suggest an over-mountain moron invasion of Newt's blog ? He's getting hammered in the comments section over there but not quite good enough if you know what I mean.

AITYKEWIM

112 As with Colin Powell, I argued that we could have a reasonably large tent, but that we had to have one rule.  If you want to be a Republican, then you can't go around endorsing Democrats.

I think that's a low bar, but pretty much essential.

It's amazing how tone-deaf the so-called conservative intellectuals are.  People like Brooks and Noonan and Parker and to some extent Newt were shocked, shocked!, that Obama turned out to be what we all knew he was.

From and Newt and their ilk are shocked, shocked!, that Scozzafava is exactly who we said she was.  There isn't much use for a political elite that is less prescient than the rank-and-file.

113 there is one good thing that has come out of this very forgettable period.  That being that the jig is up on clowns like Gingrich.  Next time I hear that he's going to be on Fox, or Ingram, or whoever, it's dial change until he's off.  He's one of many, but if that means I listen to 1 hour out of every 24, that will be fine.  No more pretending that these fucktards represent my beliefs. 

114 "It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes," Poor Richard J. Daley's Almanac. Dats how it works in my wards, dummies, so stop beefin'. Just for the record, Joey Stalin was a copy cat.

115 Wowsers, Newt is getting quite the spanking over at his site.  They are mad!

116 Does this mean the Newtmeister is gonna switch his endorsement to Owens too?

117 "What a female dog.

I will forgive newt, but come on man, you backed a left of democrats candidate, went to the mat for her calling Hoffman a carpet bagger, and now she would rather see the democrat win over the conservative. How could you have such bad judgement?"

 

on what grounds? 

118 Next time I hear that he's going to be on Fox, or Ingram, or whoever, it's dial change until he's off.

In Laura's defense, she hammered him pretty damn hard on Skeezerfava and left no doubt she considered it a douche move.

119 Scozzafava might be the biggest jackass in the united states.

120 They are talking "money" on CNN.  Have a friend who is an accountant and he says "had they saved all those houses from foreclosure and saved everyone under water by an outright gift, they still would not have spent as much as they have spent."  He is beside himself watching all this.  But another friend one of the "ladies who lunch" who lives in Bill O's renighborhood when asked how she likes her twnety plus percent decrease in value said "well, let's fact it, all this real estate was way over priced, I would like to see it come down much more to tell you the truth so it would be affordable".  Was dumfounded.  then asked "how long have you owned your house?"  "oh said she "inherited it from my parents">  He attitude however, from an informal survey says she is the norm.  not the parent inheriting but the people who feel this way.  Meanwhile a friend trying to sell a high end home with a lot of money in it that is hers and hubby can't catch a break.. this is horrific.

121 "Talk about the long march through the institutions. The progressives/libs finally figured out that all they have to do to guarantee election in a two party system is to infiltrate the second party so it won't matter the party affiliation of the person election, they'll always be a lib" That principle works both ways, as seen in the last election. The Dem majority was enlarged by electing Blue Dogs espousing conservative rhetoric. And this seems to be biting the Dems in the ass in the health care reform and crap and tax debates.

122

39 Okay, where did the $900,000 figure come from? 

I saw it at Redstate.com

123 king of Chicago says it all.   why not just appoint people to office if your vote is a sham?

124 " Next time I hear that he's going to be on Fox, or Ingram, or whoever, it's dial change until he's off.

In Laura's defense, she hammered him pretty damn hard on Skeezerfava and left no doubt she considered it a douche move."

And yet his punk ass will be on right after the elections.  Sorry, his 15 minutes is up.

And I forgot, in my anger at all this bullshit, I've finally closed the book on the punk ass Colin Powell.  He can jump in the boat with Newt and row to the sea of go fuck yourself.

125

posted on Newt's blog:

"Newt, you traitorous, scum-sucking pig, i hope you are hit by falling space debris"

i liked it 

126 She is who we thought she was!!

127 You guys don't understand.  Her face isn't the only place Pelosi's had some work done IYKWIMAITYD.

128 Newt Mussolini.  Holy shit, the other guys are going to win, I'd better switch sides.

129 Here's the HuffPo link.  Ugh.

130

"You know me, and throughout my career, I have been always been an independent voice for the people I represent. I have stood for our honest principles, and a truthful discussion of the issues, even when it cost me personally and politically. Since beginning my campaign, I have told you that this election is not about me; it’s about the people of this District."

Well, lots of "me, my and I" in just 3 short sentences.  Just like Obambi, the election is never about them, it's about the People!

131

Okay so it's been almost a full day non-stop unofficial flame war against the RNC. Does everyone feel better?

We're now at a year away from the pivotal 2010 elections that could be a clear referendum on the 111th Congress and President I Won so STFU.

Conversing and blogging is all well and good but what now?  Where do we go from here? What's the call to action? Online petitions? The formation of a true conservative PAC that will directly rebuke the RNC that financially backs and endorses *RINOs*?

 

132 the fact that newt set himself up opposite of Sarah Palin is very telling here.  Makes you wonder if he saw and maybe had a whiff of all of this when he made the endorsement.   I don't like him at all, never have, he is a democrat in republican clothing which is why he understands guys like mccain.   These dems have played the repulbicans so badly don't know if they will ever recover.  If they can pull stuff like this in a tiny district in upstate NY then they are ubiquitous and it isn't good to see.  The sheer brilliance of watching it is fascinating if it wasn't so scary.

133 27
Folks-
I enjoy a good snark as much as the next person, but obnoxious in victory is never appealing.  I applaud her for doing the right thing for her party and her country.  Posted by: pep

Tweets-
Okay, I'm sold.  Petulant, ill-mannered boorishess is definitely the way to sell your program and attract new voters.  Sorry for not seeing the wisdom earlier.   

134  Then again, I'm often successful at converting people to my views which to me is more important than yelling "Nah Nah Nah Nah Boo Boo"

Yeah, that's called the blind leading the blind, where I'm from.

And this is why we lose at the polls...


No, we lose at the polls because 'true conservatives' are too damn quick to not vote in protest.  We win when we push for the most conservative person in the primary and then vote for the Republican).  This case is special in that there was no primary.

I've pulled most of my extended family into voting Republican.  That's 12 former D votes in MI.  They're 75-25 conservatives but had been voting D since that's what they had been doing their entire life. 

How about putting your snark into something useful?

135 Yep, I said she would keep her mouth shut, can I call 'em or what?

136 Tweets-
Okay, I'm sold.  Petulant, ill-mannered boorishess is definitely the way to sell your program and attract new voters.  Sorry for not seeing the wisdom earlier.   

Posted by: pep at November 01, 2009 04:53 PM (DZyVK)

Its worked out quite beautifully for the Democrats.

137 Okay so it's been almost a full day non-stop unofficial flame war against the RNC. Does everyone feel better?

No.  Check back in Tuesday evening.

138 Its worked out quite beautifully for the Democrats.

Because they look like losers in this election and in 10?  Given the choice and no political preferences, I'd much rather be in the GOP's shoes for the upcoming cycles than the Dems. 

139

just because we snark here, doesn't mean that's all we do, i suspect many of us have given both our time and money to the cause in various ways both large and small.

this IS Snarkville

140 Conversing and blogging is all well and good but what now?  Where do we go from here? What's the call to action?

I think we keep supporting the good conservative candidates.  Like Marco Rubio.  I've been out of work for way too long, but if enough of us kick people like him $25 (or even less), it will make a huge difference.  Like it has for Doug Hoffman.

And we keep letting the "official" party organizations know what we are doing, that they don't get one thin dime until they come around.

I sign a lot of online petitions, but I suspect they don't make a rat's ass worth of difference.

141 Lacey,

I think it's pretty simple. Set up a conservative PAC, although there could be quite a battle there on what core beliefs are.  But assuming that can be done with a sole focus on limited government and fiscal responsibility.  Candidates that toe that line get the money, those that don't, don't. 

Make sure that everyone is aware of it and instead of donating to the RNC, people send their money to the conservative PAC.  The RNC is full of RINO dipshits anyway, so it's not like I will ever give them another dime to begin with.

As a matter of fact, let's just get out ahead of the discussion and call the PAC Americans for Conservative Fiscal Policy.  No social issues, just conservative economics.  Tell the Republican establishment to fuck off, if we feel a Republican candidate shares our beliefs, we'll contribute.  If not, go pound salt assholes. 

I understand that you don't feel sound fiscal policy is a Republican core belief, so I don't picture you getting on board with the idea. 

142 Ace feels so bad for her..........WTF?

900,000.00 bad Ace?

Call and let them know that conservatives did not do this.....The NRCC did this horrible pick....her husband SEIU/ACORN....She supports ACORN, abortion, cap and trade.
What part was Republican, let alone conservative.

ASK FOR YOUR MONEY BACK AND AN APOLOGY TO THE TEA PARTIES AND TO CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS.   

143 On CNN this morning one of the commenters, when asked to predict the results of Tuesday said "well the dems will win in jersey and lose in virginia and the headline will be that they both have to worry".  Makes you wonder when someone can be so specific.  She didn't say "i think" she just came out with it.

144 The sad thing is, it's not like this is the first f'ing time this has happened.  The RNC, Bush, Santorum, etc. all got in a line to back Arlen Specter against conservative Pat Toomey.  I wonder how much the RNC wasted on -that- election in order to literally put a Democrat in office.

Qwinn

145 Make sure that everyone is aware of it and instead of donating to the RNC, people send their money to the conservative PAC.

But why go through a PAC?  Why not just send $$ directly to the candidate?  I'm not arguing with you, I just don't see the advantage of indirect support vs. direct contributions.

146 "I've pulled most of my extended family into voting Republican.  That's 12 former D votes in MI.  They're 75-25 conservatives but had been voting D since that's what they had been doing their entire life."

My wife was a hard core liberal, until we got a little older and started paying a lot more in taxes.  It's called instant Republican, just pay a few big tax bills and bingo, Conservative voter.

147 OT: OMG; from Dan Riehl's blog:

Not able to find a clip, yet. Evidently MSNBC is giving Chris Daggett some exposure. Gee, do you think they want to hurt the Republican, Christie in New Jersey? Daggett claimed on MSNBC that Sarah Palin has pressured him to leave the race.

Sarah Palin has already responded - via Facebook:

Despite what candidate Chris Daggett is claiming, I have never contacted him or his campaign. I have never asked him to drop out of the NJ Governor’s race. Now, if a politician is going to play loose with facts like this, the electorate needs to know it.

So, to the good people of New Jersey, please know that Daggett’s claims are false. I’ve never even suggested he should drop out of the race. But, come to think of it…

- Sarah Palin

http://tinyurl.com/ydl8p3t

148 Tweets-
Okay, I'm sold.  Petulant, ill-mannered boorishess is definitely the way to sell your program and attract new voters.  Sorry for not seeing the wisdom earlier.   

Posted by: pep at November 01, 2009 04:53 PM (DZyVK)

And how did completely missing who this politician was, despite the overwhelming evidence work out for you?

149 If we could get hold of some conservative porn(moronettes?), that we could sell in order to fund a PAC, we're gold.

150 So now the question is: do heads roll in the RNC or do the big-shot RINOs live to screw us another day, with another Specter, Snowe, Scuzzy?????

151

I understand that you don't feel sound fiscal policy is a Republican core belief, so I don't picture you getting on board with the idea. 

Dude, I agree with everything you said until the last part. I have no freaking idea where you got that from in my comment last night. I was setting up the argument that there will be conservatives that will say fiscal isn't enough-you have to include abortion and gay marriage.

For the record I voted for Paul in the primaries. I will always get on board with someone who's never voted for a tax increases.

I like your your take on the PAC. It's in line with what I envision.

152 Because they look like losers in this election and in 10?  Given the choice and no political preferences, I'd much rather be in the GOP's shoes for the upcoming cycles than the Dems. 

Posted by: pep at November 01, 2009 04:58 PM (DZyVK)

They're not faltering for being a pit of vipers. They are faltering because their forced social programs are failures and people aren't reaping the windfalls by grabbing on to a Unicorn tail like they were promised.

Americans like a good fight and pull for a scrapper. Play by the liberals rules and we will lose every time. Play like the liberals and we will win. Alinsky's rules work for us too.

153

From Me to DeDe (with apologies to Arnold),

...First you're a Repub

...Unlike Mr. Deeds

...Can't everyone see

...Kourage in action?

...You exited like a lady

...Or maybe not

...U-turn?  I guess.

 

(Hey, it's better than that Apes under the bridge poem by his highness.)

154 Posted by: ParisParamus at November 01, 2009 05:02 PM (j4Mj6)

Shouldn't Sarah demand that they give her equal time to air her views, since they were falsely portrayed.  And that's interesting, if they can get this out, the good people of NJ might know they have someone running who may not care if they tell a mistruth.

155 Peaches, just sending money to the individual candidate does help the candidate, but that's not enough anymore.  A statement has to be made and only a national PAC will be able to accomplish that.  It's got to be a fuck you Newt and Steele PAC that says until you start sending us candidates with sound economic beliefs, you can piss off.  They have to know where there money has dried up and gone to. 

There is another war to be fought, and that's the war to rid the conservative movement of the social issues.  It's a loser, plain and simple.  If gay people want to get married, let them.  The one thing I would have to morally draw the line on would be no taxpayer funded abortions, ever.  If people want to do that, they can do it on their own dime, not mine.

156 Exactly. I think we can stop using the term "RINO" now. "Republican" now means "I stand for whatever will get me elected". Thus, someone who is a conservative, who is principled and who stands for something is now a "RINO".

Posted by: Michael in MI at November 01, 2009 04:00 PM (ObTcs)

Been calling myself a RINO for a while now, actually.

157 Lacey (I chuckle everytime I read that),

If I misread your position last night, I am sorry.

158

I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.  Dede has every bit as much right to be in the Republican tent as I do.

 

Check out newt.org for lots of great Newt products.  We just got in some great coffee mugs and golf towels with my picture on them.

Hope to see some of you supporters out on my campaign trail with Al Sharpton soon. 

 

 We'll be talking education and how the government can help fix it more.

 

Thanks again for your support & don't forget to stop by the NewtShop @ newt.org.  Did I mention we had new mugs in stock?

159 149 If we could get hold of some conservative porn(moronettes?), that we could sell in order to fund a PAC, we're gold.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 01, 2009 05:02 PM (muUqs)

you don't need it when you have the right arguments on your side (although it would help with fundraising!)

we've got the momentum--we just don't have enough of the right candidates unfortunately. (maybe that's not true--maybe we have the wrong leaders pushing the wrong candidates).

160 Has anybody else got that funny feeling that this is the beginning of something big?
I'm just not sure what.

161 Jack, there already is a really terrific PAC who do a lot of great things.  The Heritage Foundation.  There's another one just started by Liz Cheney and Williams Kristol that's worth a look, Keep America Safe.  Check 'em out.

162 Corzine spent more than 28 million dollar "most of that coming out of his own pocket" and half of that by his opponent Chris Christie per CNN just now.  Funny they didn't mention the other guy what's his name.

163 Despite what candidate Chris Daggett is claiming, I have never contacted him or his campaign. I have never asked him to drop out of the NJ Governor’s race. Now, if a politician is going to play loose with facts like this, the electorate needs to know it.

So, to the good people of New Jersey, please know that Daggett’s claims are false. I’ve never even suggested he should drop out of the race. But, come to think of it…

- Sarah Palin



And yet the leaders of our party can't figure out why people swarm to this woman.

164 Scozzafava is a sore loser. The powers that be in NY-23 screwed the pooch. A candidate who leans further to the left than the Democrat is a bad choice for the Republicans. To draw any other lessons from this sorrid affair is overreaching.

165 There is another war to be fought, and that's the war to rid the conservative movement of the social issues.

Oh, and btw, I could NOT agree with you more on this point.  +100000000

166 Hey Gingrich how's her shitty ass taste today?

167 157 Lacey (I chuckle everytime I read that),

If I misread your position last night, I am sorry.

Posted by: Jack Burton at November 01, 2009 05:07 PM (YxJoH)

nope it's cool. I think everyone got caught up on the emotion of the thread. and a few people reminded us throughout it-but it's a good reminder--we're essentially all on the same page with the substance. it's the procedure where we can all differ.

so we have to know how to best play the game to win. I'm just asking that we put our collective (sorry for the term-but it applies here) heads together and figure out the next step.

I love to bitch as much as the next m&m but strategic thinking and concrete plans, actually would, you know, help!

168 Meanwhile, Herr Gibbs's minions over at MSNBC were agonizing over the fate of the Republican Party because of Hoffman, lol!

I mean, talk about the Queens of De Nile!

Here you have a the Republicans swamping the Democrat in Virginia, a very possible upset in New Jersey (I mean, even if they don't carry that bluest of all states, what a shocker they are so close!), and a conservative tidal wave in NY-23, and the seers of PMSNBC honestly think this bodes ill for Republicans?

I mean (tap! tap! tap!), HELLLLOOOOoooo!!!!!!! What do you think this might mean for Democrats come 2010??? DOH!

169

I will still give some $$ to the RNC, but most will go to individuals and some pacs.

Also,  There is no senate race in NM next year so, my cash is going to Rubio FL for the primary, Toomey PA and whoever runs against Reid NV.

NM's 2nd district will go back to red and will be well funded, my district the 3rd will go blue no matter what, so my cash is going to the 1st district Republican.

See my reasoning there.

170 Posted by: Mallamutt at November 01, 2009 05:11 PM (V9SYy)

what is going on with the Republican party in upstate NY that they put this candidate up anyway.  Up thread someone said that they were now sort of "throwing her under the bus" but really we should be asking what is going on with them

171 You know me...

We do now, Dede. We do now.

172 71
"the party faithful while abandoning the core fiscal principals that have made this Nation great"

bingo! that's main very main concern of mine... leave all the social disagreements out ... fiscal principles, indiv. rights principles are most important to independents.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 01, 2009

That's easy to say in theory.

What happens when the so-called social liberals/fiscal conservatives say that global warming is a social issue and healthcare for all is a social issue.

People seem to think that it's quite alright to put people into power with the mentality that sacrificing the lives of millions of people is quite alright. That's what supporting abortion is. You have the mentality that it is quite alright to kill millions of babies out of "convenience".

And you don't think this same mentality won't affect healthcare and being okay with "death panels" and rationing? Or won't affect Cap and Trade and 'saving the world from global warming' at the expense of destroying people's lives through economics (high taxes, high energy rates, totalitarian control of life, etc)?

People seem to think so cavalierly about fostering a society with the lack of respect for the sanctity of human life, thinking that it is just some opinion people can have without it having a horrible consequence on society.

If all life is not sacred, then no life is sacred.

As someone mentioned yesterday...

"It's a fascinating anomaly of modern America that it's un-Constitutional to execute a rapist for the crime of rape, but perfectly Constitutional to execute the rapist's unborn child, who's committed no crime at all."

If you think that mentality does not have a detrimental effect on culture and society, and can just be ignored as irrelevant, I just don't know what to say.

173 166 Hey Gingrich how's her shitty ass taste today?

Like perfumed, sexy roses.

174 161 Jack, there already is a really terrific PAC who do a lot of great things.  The Heritage Foundation.  There's another one just started by Liz Cheney and Williams Kristol that's worth a look, Keep America Safe.  Check 'em out.

Posted by: Peaches at November 01, 2009 05:10 PM (9Wv2j)

Yep those are great. But I envision something started from more of a grassroots level. Heritage and Cheney have the pedigree and the clout. Red staters and m&ms have none of that--but I think it could work to the PACs advantage. Every successful movement we've seen thus far this year has been real grassroots, social networking, etc.  Not the glossy faux Obama crap that was distributed by President I Won so STFU and his camp.

175 But, on the upside, we got the super cool new moniker DIABLO out of this FIASCO.......

176 And FOX continues the meme that this is a moderate vs a conservative party fight/split.

There was very very little, that was moderate about this woman.

177

Hmmmm!  Sort of puts the whole 'party purity' thesis in perspective, doesn't it.

178

"Scozzafava is a sore loser. The powers that be in NY-23 screwed the pooch. A candidate who leans further to the left than the Democrat is a bad choice for the Republicans. To draw any other lessons from this sorrid affair is overreaching."

 

denial of the obvious is a warning sign of metal illness

179 175 But, on the upside, we got the super cool new moniker DIABLO out of this FIASCO.......

Posted by: di butler at November 01, 2009 05:16 PM (S3xX1)

it is indeed super cool.

180 Hey Gingrich how's her shitty ass taste today?




Wait, what? You mean that wasn't last nights leftover mini Snickers bars I've been eating all day ? I mean its brown and has peanuts in it.


*Blech* !!!!

181 metal or mental, take your pick, lol

182 You are right about that.  Here's my issue, this Dede thing just basically pushed me over the edge.  I've always followed politics, but never been terribly politically active.  But this NY race and how much of an idiot Newt is has absolutely caused me to blow my stack. 

My job also somewhat thwarts that as I cannot really be a active partisan when the wrong side is in power in my state.  Which they are, for the next year only hopefully.  Not that I'm a big deal, but big enough in my industry that I cannot risk hurting my co-workers.  Which is why I like the PAC idea, financially support candidates who stop the fiscal insanity. 

With a clear message about what the intent is, what the beliefs are, and see if folks will donate.  And yes, part of the message is that the RNC is a bunch of dipshits who can no longer be trusted with money, and even more so, decision making.  People need to know that the game has changed, perhaps forever.  If the social conservatives don't want to have anything to do with it, that's their choice.  But for the life of me, I just don't see how gay people getting married impacts anyone else.  Despite a 50% divorce rate, they still want to get married, knock yourselves out.

183 This reminds me of the last election when Harri Ann Smith (R - Alabama State Senate) and Pat Thomas, Mayor of Dothan, Alabama (a Republican county chairman) supported Bobby Bright (Democrat) for our Congressional district when Smith lost here primary bid to Jay Love. Now Bright is the bluest of the blue dogs, but still.

184 I really hope someone is going to primary her next year for her Assembly seat.

Why do you think anyone would challenge her for the Democratic nomination?
Or do you actually think she will still be a Republican?

She just pissed away over a million dollars of Republican money and in a hissy fit endorsed the Democrat. The National party may be lame but they ain't stupid, they won't be spending another dime on her.

185 #68  JC   I don't want the RINO's to small the coffee.   I want them to Drink the coffee.  The cool-aid must be purged from their system.   Also the coffe  must not have Dem. type sweetners.  No sugar, yellow, pink, or blue package stuff thrown in.

186

She seems to be my type of republican...A Democrat in All But Label Only. Oh, the cutie pie deserves some of my peanuts.

187 Check this out.  One of the largest bankruptcies in US history, likely meaning the U.S. government will lose the $2.3 billion it sunk into CIT last year to prop up the ailing company.  Good times.

188 http://tinyurl.com/yk9q8uz

189 How's my ass taste, Newt?

190
There is another war to be fought, and that's the war to rid the conservative movement of the social issues.

You are 100% wrong. Our big cities are shitholes because we ceded so much ground on social issues. The Left attacked America by destroying the American family and American values.

191 #10  Her next campaign will be as a Dem.  Takers?

Dave in Texas at November 01, 2009 03:44 PM
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A) She'll have to and B) it should be easy for her.  She ran unopposed for her 122nd Assembly seat in 2008.  She's bound to have to deal with an R primary and lose and switching will allow her to keep the incumbancy label.  Here in Upstate NY a lot of Dems run their campaign under the guise of no party affiliation, especially in R dominated districts.

She'll get creamed though -- R's outnumber D's in the 122nd by 30%.

192 @148 and 152
you need to review the thread yesterday, as you seem to have lost the narrative.  I neither endorsed her, nor said I liked her, nor said we should play by liberal's rules.  This is about us, not her. Or are you arguing that being classy is their way and shouldn't  be ours?  If so, I couldn't disagree more.  And no, as I said yesterday, it's okay to cut their throats, just do it with a smile.  There is no conflict between being adult and playing to win.

193 Tweet, while I agree a little with you, it's really a simple issue.

The urban centers of this country are a cesspool because there is no politician out there who is willing to call it what it is.  The ghetto is a ghetto because too many black kids don't know who their dads are.  Too many black kids know their dad, but dad is in jail.  Too many black kids are not even home at night despite the fact that they are 16 years old.  Too many race hustlers bitch about unfair sentencing for crime instead of addressing why so many blacks are arrested in the first place.  Getting good grades does not make you a sellout, it makes you smart, dedicated and hardworking.  Drugs aren't cool,  Gangs aren't cool.  Not graduating from HS is not cool.

Too many pussies who won't call it what it is, and too many people who cater to no talent ass clowns like Shartpton and Jackson.  If I was a mayor, I'd have their punk asses arrested for disturbing the peace if they showed up to rile people up. 

194 I wonder why Ace hasn't commented on this?

195 social issues will not be excluded, i am willing to let it ride until the Marxists are out of power, but nothing works, it ALL falls apart without God, and i'm not ever going to forget that.

196 I applaud her for doing the right thing for her party and her country.  Posted by: pep



keep up that backpeddling peppy.

197

If the social conservatives don't want to have anything to do with it, that's their choice.  But for the life of me, I just don't see how gay people getting married impacts anyone else. 

Big When Harry Met Sally Yeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss!

To me, all that shit is gravy anyway. I have certain thoughts on the social issues, but who effing cares. The tenants of our country are circling the drain and we're here with our thumbs up our assess debating how much we'll tolerate from the RNC.

Why not try to unite the true conservatives and libertarians on what we can agree on: a limited, fiscally sound, and responsible government working for us and the restoration our freedoms, liberties, and exceptionalsim as laid out in the Constitution,

Less really can be more.

198 As inevitable as the sunrise.

199 "I wonder why Ace hasn't commented on this?"

I'd throw something out there but he's been making charles johnson like comments lately, so I'll pass.

200

denial of the obvious is a warning sign of metal illness

No, I assure you I am really mentally fine. But what you had in New York was a complete cluster you know what. A local Republican establishment with a country club type attitude. A candidate (Scozzafava) with a complete inability to understand the tides of the race. And Hoffman hit lightning in the bottle.

Now, there are lessons to be learned here. You can't be a Republican in the modern era that is more left than the democrat. You can not be an organization that is tone deaf to the impact blogs, the internet, talk radio and the like have on movement conservatives. You can't, as a Republican, go against every core principal of the conservative legs that support the party.

But, you also can't read into one isolated incident more than its an isolated incident. If you are a Republican candidate and you learn from the Scozzafava incident that you have to be at least a fiscal conservative, or at least a conservative on some issues, in a blue state or a blue district, you don't have a Scozzafava situation.

Also, every congressional district is its own animal. What works in one does not always work in another.

Thus, I merely caution against viewing this as some national trend. One win does not a trend make. And, the lesson that can be learned from it can prevent the situation from arising again.

201 "

Why not try to unite the true conservatives and libertarians on what we can agree on: a limited, fiscally sound, and responsible government working for us and the restoration our freedoms, liberties, and exceptionalsim as laid out in the Constitution,

Less really can be more."

ding ding ding.  We have a winner.

202 195 social issues will not be excluded, i am willing to let it ride until the Marxists are out of power, but nothing works, it ALL falls apart without God, and i'm not ever going to forget that.

Posted by: shoey at November 01, 2009 05:32 PM (n4TZg)

your God may be different from my God but you and I have the same country we're fighting to protect. I have love and faith in God but sorry, he can sit this one out for now.

203 Mallamutt,

If you don't believe in fiscal conservatism, you are not a conservative, period.  I used to think that meant you weren't a Republican, but that shit is right out the window these days.

204 I dont understand the confusion

205 @196
It's a subtle concept, so I'll speak slowly.  Applauding her actions is not the same as applauding her.  If her actions are laudable, I acknowledge it.  If not, I don't.  Try to keep up.

206 How about putting your snark into something useful?

Posted by: I'm just joshin... at November 01, 2009 04:53 PM

How about you aim that comment at people like Ace, AllahPundit and DrewM, who say we should stop living in "fantasy land", we can't persuade people, since it's never happened and never will.

THOSE are the people who are ruining this for conservatism, not those of us, like you and I, who are going to people to vote Democrat, asking them why, and then explaining to them that the current Democrat Party does not represent their values anymore and here's why they should consider voting Republican.

No, instead, DrewM and Ace and AllahPundit tell us that is "fantasy land" and instead of convincing conservative Democrats that the GOP is the conservative party, we should just say fuckit, we're never gonna persuade people, we better make the GOP Democrat-lite to try to win "moderates".

When those of us tell them that is bullshit, we get snark thrown at us that we live in "fantasy land".

So, with all due respect, I side with the snark thrown at those who are bitch-slapping the people who gave kudos and shed tears and "felt bad" for Scozzo. I don't know what the hell is going to wake people up and realize that we are not losing because we aren't "nice" enough or "gratious" enough. We are losing because no one trusts the GOP anymore, because we have people like Ace and DrewM and AllahPundit proposing to just make "Republican" mean "I support whatever you want me to in order to get elected".

Enough is enough of that BS.

207 @148 and 152
you need to review the thread yesterday, as you seem to have lost the narrative.  I neither endorsed her, nor said I liked her, nor said we should play by liberal's rules.  This is about us, not her. Or are you arguing that being classy is their way and shouldn't  be ours?  If so, I couldn't disagree more.  And no, as I said yesterday, it's okay to cut their throats, just do it with a smile.  There is no conflict between being adult and playing to win.

Posted by: pep at November 01, 2009 05:29 PM (DZyVK)

I'm saying that being classy is not the liberal way but they hold us to a higher standard all the while bringing out the guns while we stand there with butter-knives.

Nice doesn't win you elections anymore.

If this is the approach you advocate to take don't be surprised if the awww-shucks Republicans keep getting their asses handed to them by cut-throat liberals.

I don't see fire and a sense of urgency in the leadership of this party anymore. Seems they are quite comfortable being spineless while other folks do the wet-work for them.

208 Also, this does nothing but help Hoffman. The only people Dede had with her anymore were Republican party loyalists who were liberal. Had she not done this I think many of them would have still voted for here or not showed up. Some will still do that but most will now hold their noses and vote Hoffman. Regardless of how liberal they are they are Republicans first and back stabbing the party just because your feelings are hurt is enough to get them to off the couch. 

209 "your God may be different from my God but you and I have the same country we're fighting to protect. I have love and faith in God but sorry, he can sit this one out for now."

Exactly, no offense to muslims around here but I think they are a disease that needs to be stopped.  Having said that, how could I say that God is critical to my party when I think someone else's God wants to have them cut my head off.  I hate hypocrites, and that would make me a hypocrite to the highest degree.  Can't have it.

210

Scozzafava has encouraged her supporters to vote for Owens...

I don't think so.

The only thing I can find that says that is a NY Daily News article that says but what they link to as proof is the Watertown paper that had endorsed her but now is endorsing Owens, not that she did.

Apparently her husband did endorse Owens though.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 01, 2009 12:16 PM (ur6Ar)

So you think the local paper told a baldfaced lie that they would easily be caught out on?

How about contacting Dede's office and asking for a comment on the story and the paper's switching to the openly Dem candidate?

Posted by: andycanuck at November 01, 2009 12:22 PM (2qU2d)

"So you think the local paper told a baldfaced lie that they would easily be caught out on?"

Why not?  The national papers do it all the time.  And they'll deal with it the same way, in a correction on page B-22.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 01, 2009 12:24 PM (SxA2Q)

211 you don't need it when you have the right arguments on your side (although it would help with fundraising!)

Now, now, there's always room for pron.  It's like jello. 

212

#200

we show you over and over again and yet still you refuse to see...

forget "D"'s and "R"'s

those names don't mean anything to us anymore.

213 While reading another news site I came upon this, ' Scozzafava Endorses The Democrat Against Hoffman' and the next headline was 'Mafia hit and no one cared'. Too bad the two weren't connected, but it was too much to hope for.

214
Forget the Biblical and religious implications.

What some of you are asking is to for us to forgo common sense and common decency. I'm sick of these leftwing-created third-rail issues we dare not talk about such as single mothers and uncivilized behavior in the neighborhoods in our big cities.

215 This is just one example of how shrew like the Dem's are. Since this was done in NY. will they look at any other shrews that may been appointed to other NY districts. Silence..   Just like the Silence of the Lambs.

216

"You have the mentality that it is quite alright to kill millions of babies out of "convenience".

And you don't think this same mentality won't affect healthcare and being okay with "death panels" and rationing? Or won't affect Cap and Trade and 'saving the world from global warming' at the expense of destroying people's lives through economics (high taxes, high energy rates, totalitarian control of life, etc)?
"

I am pro-choice, however that does not mean I am pro-abortion... I don't believe in late term or partial birth abortion, its a person and should be given up to adoption.  But during the very stages, I think that serious hard decision should be up to the family.. and that decision should be respected... does this mean I think there should be a planned parenthood office in every neighborhood encouraging abortions... absolutely not.   I guess it all depends on when one considers a life a life.

as for the rationing with "death panels"... I'm not sure where the connection is b/w this and the abortion issue... I absolutely am against any government run heathcare in any form... it would open the door to socialized care that I do not want opened.. and I don't even want that door cracked open even for a bit mainly b/c it would drive so many doctors out of praictice, and then yes it would lead to rationing for those people who need help the most and would be dependent on some beaurcat in DC doling out rationed care.

as for cap-n-trade, again, I don't see the connection b/w this and abortion.. I have huge issues agn cap-n-trade mainly b/c it would cause so much pain to busienesses and so many higher bills for americans... it does no good... and top of that .. I don't want a secondary market of derivatives for carbon taxes being handled by a corrupt wall st. and corrupt dc

217

#202

please read my whole comment, you just said the same thing i did.

218 just because we snark here, doesn't mean that's all we do, i suspect many of us have given both our time and money to the cause in various ways both large and small.

this IS Snarkville

Posted by: shoey at November 01, 2009 04:58 PM

Yep. I spent all last year doing what Ace and DrewM and AllahPundit and others say is impossible: persuading people. I worked on my entire office, I worked on my friends, I worked on my family. I made the case for why Obama was dangerous, I made the case for why McCain was better and I was 100% honest with them about everything I did not like about McCain. I earned their trust. Such that when they saw commercials ripping McCain or praising Obama, they came to me and asked me about these commercials and asked if they were true. I then presented to them the full context of what the commercials were talking about, we had discussions of where we agreed, where we disagreed, etc.

I was just one person, but I did this with my office group of ~50 back when I worked at Ford, my office of 15 when I was laid off from Ford and had to go back working in house at my Engineering consulting firm, my 325+ Facebook friends, my distribution list of about 100 family, friends, softball friends, walleyball friends, etc.

I'm just one person and I affected that many people. Think of the movie Pay it Forward. That was a simple thing of just affecting 3 people, who in turn affected 3 people, who in turn... etc

I'm not sure who piss me off more, liberals... or "moderates" and so-called conservatives who keep saying "never gonna happen", "can't persuade" and "you live in fantasy land".

It's easy for people like ace and DrewM and AllahPundit to pontificate about "never" this and call the rest of us "fantasy land" people when they don't get off their ass and do jack shit. Has there been any reporting of a Tea Party attended by any of the bloggers on this blog? How about AllahPundit? Has he gone to a Tea Party? Nope. But people like Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit are out there making a difference.

As are hundreds of thousands of other Americans.

All started by a few people who decided they weren't going to listen to the people saying "never", "can't" and "fantasy land".

219

If you don't believe in fiscal conservatism, you are not a conservative, period.  I used to think that meant you weren't a Republican, but that shit is right out the window these days.

And I would generally agree with you, although I think George Bush really tested my belief in that as well. But sometimes around here I think we forget that there is a difference between ideology and being a political party. As a conservative, I would prefer that my candidates reflect my ideology, low taxes, pro-life, strong defense, small government, promotion of individual freedom.

But political parties exist to win elections. That may be good. That may be bad. Whether it is good or bad is largely irrelevant because it is what it is.

Ultimately, you decide whether you are a conservative or a Republican, or a conservative Republican or a whatever Republican or just a conservative. Just a reminder, parties and ideologies do not always have the same goal. It is the goal of the ideological advocate to win the argument. It is the goal of the political party to gain and maintain political power. At times, the 2 goals merge (see, e.g. Reagan in 1980). Sometimes, they do not.

Thus, I am not at a point where I want to say NY-23 is a turning point for the conservative movement. Just too many odd things happened at the same time. I could be wrong. But, as I remind my own children of (and myself, frequently) sometimes patience and perspective are wonderful attributes to have.

220

your God may be different from my God but you and I have the same country we're fighting to protect. I have love and faith in God but sorry, he can sit this one out for now.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 05:35 PM (SS3sf)

Just one of many, many excellent laceyunderalls comments today.  You go, girl!!!

221 211 you don't need it when you have the right arguments on your side (although it would help with fundraising!)

Now, now, there's always room for pron.  It's like jello. 

Posted by: alexthechick at November 01, 2009 05:42 PM (a11WD)

So you're vounterring your umm, services?! Okay, well we've got one piece of eye candy for our *insert name here* PAC. I'l ask the other m'ettes if they're game too. Heh.

222 The Republicans need to stand up on their own two feets and not merely say "ME TO" to any and all of the Dem's messages.  ME TO, concedes defeat to their programs.

223

 "the war to rid the conservative movement of the social issues."

One of our own breed of handwringing squishes wrote that upthread. 

Rid the Conservative movement of social issues?

Why?

So we can be liberals with better discipline over our spending habits?

Is that all there is?  Are those my two choices?

Shall I be a social liberal who is also a profligate spender, or shall I be a social liberal who occasionally and halfheartedly tries to balance the national checkbook? 

You don't care about social issues. Yet you constantly campaign against those who do, even when they agree with you on strictly fiscal questions-which you say are the critical ones.  Right.

 

224 And a variety of analysis and commentary on this for the entire day from The Other McCain.

225 #220   Lacyundderall IS on fire today. Must have been the ONT last night.

226 Captain America,

The place to win on social issues is not in national elections.  You want to stop abortions, make it a state issue.

I would doubt my beliefs are that different than yours, I just think we need to prioritize the battles and if we don't stop this fiscal madness, all the rest of the shit isn't going to matter a hill of beans.

227 Conversing and blogging is all well and good but what now? Where do we go from here? What's the call to action? Online petitions? The formation of a true conservative PAC that will directly rebuke the RNC that financially backs and endorses *RINOs*?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 04:52 PM

Pretty simple. The silent majority needs to get off its ass and stop being silent. Talk to family, talk to friends, talk to coworkers, talk to neighbors, talk to teammates on sports teams on which you're involved, talk to teachers, talk while out in public.

In other words, SPEAK UP.

Stop being silent and having people assume that the entire nation is made up of Obama-loving Communists.

Many people are afraid to speak up, because they think they are alone. Well, we with the courage to speak need to start speaking and set the example for others to speak up as well.

We don't need PACs, we don't need any organizations whatsoever.

*I* am an organization. *YOU* are an organization. We conservatives are our own PACs. Send e-mails to friends, family and coworkers, talk with ff&c, network on Facebook with FF&C and network with other likeminded people on Facebook. I have 325+ contacts on Facebook, only 25+ of which I even know in person. ~300 are like-minded conservatives and America-loving people with whom I network and help spread info.

Conservatism is supposed to be about individualism. Well, stop thinking we need some PAC or some kind of organization in order to make a difference. We don't. The individual makes the difference.

One man with courage makes a majority. One million men with courage make a movement.

228

forget "D"'s and "R"'s

those names don't mean anything to us anymore.

Certainly your perrogative. But I think you are overextending my remarks.

I just wanted to note that it was more than a credible conservative candidate coming out in NY 23 to make this situation happen. A number of things had to occur for the events to fold out as they did.

And I really worry when people start throwing around words like "us".

So, shoey, who died and made you the leader of the conservative movement. Since you now speak for "us".

Or because I am not willing to jump up and down and claim that this is the death to all RINOs am I no longer a conservative.

Because I have been busting my ass in a blue state for a long time working for conservative candidates to be disabused by some internet poster.

229 Laceyunderalls/Jack Burton 2012!!

Yeah, I said it first, bitches.

230 I'd speak up to all my friends, but the only thing I can convince them is a better way of embarrassing Obama.  It would be a spirited competition for sure.

231 I think that the NRCC has taken quite a hit on this campaign. Not only did they blow a million bucks on a selected candidate that suspended her campaign, but that candidate endorsed the Democrat in the race. Win or lose (hopefully win), the NRCC will suffer. HIJACK THE PARTY BACK! Bwahahahahahahaha!

232 I'm game Peaches.  I might be the first debate candidate to tell the other guy to go fuck himself.

233

"So, shoey, who died and made you the leader of the conservative movement. Since you now speak for "us".

i'm only the leader of me.

"Because I have been busting my ass in a blue state for a long time working for conservative candidates to be disabused by some internet poster."

and you're the only one?

234 We got ourselves into this RINO situation, by giving away our "social Issues" and compromising our ideals. When we were 4 square conservatives we won landslides, now look, is this the way you want to continue. Not me!

235

I'm game Peaches.  I might be the first debate candidate to tell the other guy to go fuck himself.

Nah, I think "The One" beat you to it when he gave McCain the middle finger.

236

I take a different read on this.  I agree with most, she is pond scum but she is also a political idiot.  Remember her publicized speach in front of the Hoffman campaign office?  Now, she says follow me  to the Democrat side.  What an insult to the people that only supported her because she had a R behind her name.  She just nulified the Hoffman usurper rap.  This broad is glorious in her stupidity.

I think she just sent every moderate and conservative firmly into the Hoffman camp.    I would love to be at a local bar in NY23 to talk politics with the folks up there.  People must be going ape shit right now.  Good times!

237 I'm game Peaches.  I might be the first debate candidate to tell the other guy to go fuck himself.

Posted by: Jack Burton at November 01, 2009 05:58 PM (YxJoH)

Don't think it didn't cross my mind on more than one occasion.

238 http://tinyurl.com/ycjzks2
leave newt a comment at his site

If you go to his site and you enter either Scozzafava or NY-23, you get zero results.  Apparently he's flushed her down the memory hole.  If the comments there get too embarrassing for him, he may do the same for that post.

239

This broad is glorious in her stupidity.

BINGO!

240 I think she just sent every moderate and conservative firmly into the Hoffman camp.

Yeah, but hopefully they haven't all already voted absentee ballots.  Cause that would suck.

241

and you're the only one?

Probably not. But I don't go around speaking for "us". I speak for me. You can speak for yourself all ya want.

242 Whoops.  Sockpuppets can be so unmanageable.

243
I can't believe how many of you can't see the direct connection between our loss of traditional social values and the expansion of government.

Every social value that gets marginalized or disappears translates into more welfare, a social program, more taxes.

Some of you, dear morons, have the idea of "Well, people should be able to live however they want; it doesn't effect my life." But it does, morons. You pay for it, eventually.

You pay for single moms. You pay for abortions. You support children because their dad isn't around. You pay for 'raising awareness' for homosexual rights in schools. You pay for sex-change operations. Just like you pay for anti-smoking propaganda, btw.

You will end up paying for all of it, in some way or another. Now imagine what taxes and government would be like if we didn't pay for all these ridiculous things made prevalent by the Leftists.

244

Conservatism is supposed to be about individualism. Well, stop thinking we need some PAC or some kind of organization in order to make a difference. We don't. The individual makes the difference.

Agreed  with that statement but...Organizaion does help to demonstrate the strength and cohesion of your movement. Look at the tea parties--w/out organization and social networkng sites it would not merely be the succcess it has been. Individuals and individualism is great. But individual strength in numbers is even better.

 

245 232 I'm game Peaches.  I might be the first debate candidate to tell the other guy to go fuck himself.

Posted by: Jack Burton at November 01, 2009 05:58 PM (YxJoH)

I thought that was how you won the debate?

246 Favre to Packers, nah!  maybe as many as a third have voted absentee but I doubt it.  Wouldn't you be royally pissed if you had voted thirty days befor all this crap hit the fan.  I would serously want a do over.

247

Whoops.  Sockpuppets can be so unmanageable.

Tell me about it.

248 205 @196
It's a subtle concept, so I'll speak slowly.  Applauding her actions is not the same as applauding her.  If her actions are laudable, I acknowledge it.  If not, I don't.  Try to keep up.

Posted by: pep at November 01, 2009 05:38 PM (DZyVK)

It aint' subtle you jackass. You applauded the actions of the LIBERAL, who subsequently threw her support to the democrat. Then, you had the balls to excoriate anyone who blew the bitch a good riddance kiss. So pardon me when I tell you to fuck off.

249 There is another war to be fought, and that's the war to rid the conservative movement of the social issues.

You are 100% wrong. Our big cities are shitholes because we ceded so much ground on social issues. The Left attacked America by destroying the American family and American values.

Posted by: Tweet at November 01, 2009 05:25 PM

Yep. And the destruction of the American family and American values led to the welfare state. Which, whaddayaknow, affects *fiscal* issues.

But yeah, let's just trash all social issues, since they are meaningless and have no detrimental affect on society and culture whatsoever.

250

But individual strength in numbers is even better.

Great point. Also, don't forgot, modern politic campaigns take the 3 M to win: message, momentum and money. Thus, organization is great on the last 2.

251 And no, as I said yesterday, it's okay to cut their throats, just do it with a smile. There is no conflict between being adult and playing to win.

Posted by: pep at November 01, 2009 05:29 PM

Oh that makes sense. Cutting someone's throat with a smile makes us classy and "adult". Cutting someone's throat with a frown makes us non classy.

Alright then.

252 I think I have seen this thread before.

253 @ 184 She just pissed away over a million dollars of Republican money and in a hissy fit endorsed the Democrat. The National party may be lame but they ain't stupid, [citation needed]  they won't be spending another dime on her.

FIFY

254 Nancy's waitng for you on the bench, Newt.

255 So when can we kick Steele out on his stupid worthless ass?

256

I think I have seen this thread before.

Its deja vu all over again.

257 I have love and faith in God but sorry, he can sit this one out for now.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 05:35 PM

Wow.

Well, that says it right there. God Bless America, but only when we say so. Otherwise, sit it out.

Thus is Americanized Christianity/belief in God. A God of convenience only.

In other words, it's the same as the current GOP. I stand for this, except for when I don't. I believe in God, except for when I want Him to sit it out.

Brilliant.

258 Al Sharpton. Race Baiter, Racial Opportunist, suppressor of the people he purports to be helping. I have not listened to a single word that newt has said ever since he and Al did that commercial together. Why would anyone else here have? Was not the writing on the wall then? Go read his blog, pretty funny stuff. The comments, that is.

259
And the destruction of the American family and American values led to the welfare state. Which, whaddayaknow, affects *fiscal* issues.

Yeah, that pretty much boils down my point above.

We've been browbeaten into accepting abortion and single moms. I mean, what difference does it make to me a some 18 year old girl in Boston wants to have a few abortions or pump out a few bastards?

I pay for it, that's how it impacts my life. So a conservative, or a even a reasonable person, does not need to consider the moral implications of human genocide or having children out of wedlock. All one needs to realize how the Leftists have created these abominations as a way to dig into your wallet.

260 G-D sit it out?

That's mind boggling, have we fallen this low, just wow!

261 Gee, you mean after conservative Repubs skin her alive, she should still endorse Hoffman out of some kind of party loyalty? Un f-ing believeable.

262 So pardon me when I tell you to fuck off.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 06:07 PM (erIg9)

Thank you, Unclefacts.  That annoying little scrote has been getting on my nerves all day.  Among others.  Who probably don't know who they are.

263
So when can we kick Steele out on his stupid worthless ass?

Posted by: TexasJew at November 01, 2009 06:11 PM (1doBx)

I swear I heard (boy) in there somewhere and something about burning crosses.

264 Political whore.

265 Why no thread re the Palin eviction notice to Daggett?  It's one of her most delicious uses of Facebook yet!

266

I might be the first debate candidate to tell the other guy to go fuck himself.

Posted by: Jack Burton at November 01, 2009 05:58 PM (YxJoH)

I thought that was how you won the debate?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 06:05 PM (erIg9)

 So pardon me when I tell you to fuck off.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 06:07 PM (erIg9)

We have a debate winner!

267 Hey all.  Anything interesting happening, today?  How 'bout that extremist Doug Hoffman, huh?

Exit question:  When does Hoffman realize he's not making an impact on this race, bow out and back Dede?

268

Tweet at 243--

It's not that some of us, okay I should only speak for myself here, it's not that I don't see it, it's that I think we have to tread very carefully in how we address those issues.

If I'm talking to a fence-sitter, I'm going to hit the key points: at the end of the day do you think the gov't can be your solution. Do you think it would be wise if we have the equivalent of the BMV or the Post Office running our health care? Do you think it's wise that each household in the US could poetntially pay $3,000 more by way of energy bills or consumer goods because therethere has been a one percent increase in global temperatures that may or may not be created by man?

To me, making it about the ineffectiveness of the gov't is more sound than saying, oh that hillbilly Tiffany just had another kid and you're going to be paying for it. Or explaining to people that the Constitution is in fact a document of liberation rather than the negative document claimed it be, is probably more persuasive than saying yeah those there were three trannies in jail that want a sex change operation on your dime, can you believe that??

I *think* it's about making it all about the bigger picture: gov't intrusion and the nanny state and less about those that choose a different lifestyle from us. Again I'm not saying to dismiss your points--they're all valid and mostly true.

But it's not wise to claim we want respect as inviduals when we rip on those individuals that may make different choices than we do.

 

 

269 If this race represents what is going on all over the country then this won't be the first surprise for the republicans.   You gotta admit the dems have done a great job of blurring the lines between parties.  they have also done a spectacular job of making conservative as bad a label as racist.  You conservatives have an uphill battle that you may not be able to win for twenty years.   They have so infused American society and people have been so trained in PC that anyone who dares to say anything not PC gets shunned and labeled and marginalized.  More and more been thinking that there is the political elite, their supporters and then those who don't buy the new mindset, mostly you guys.  It's scary out there.

270 261 Gee, you mean after conservative Repubs skin her alive, she should still endorse Hoffman out of some kind of party loyalty? Un f-ing believeable.

Posted by: JEA at November 01, 2009 06:16 PM (Uj18D)

Hey ! Waddayaknow ? JEA got something right!

271
Gee, you mean after conservative Repubs skin her alive, she should still endorse Hoffman out of some kind of party loyalty? Un f-ing believeable.

Posted by: JEA at November 01, 2009 06:16 PM (Uj18D)

Yea, its called adhering to your principles. If she was a proud lifelong Republican like she claimed she has been she would have threw her full support behind the conservative and not the liberal

Ergo, she has no principles and is just another squishy liberal hack in Republican clothing.

272 Whoa ... take a look at the Intrade volume for the GOP 2012 nominee.  Awesome.  (h/t Tommy Report - Conservatives4younknowwho)

273

Damn sock. so easy to put on, so hard to take off.

274 There is another war to be fought, and that's the war to rid the conservative movement of the social issues.

Well, you lost my dollar, right there.  Enjoy your day.

275 257 I have love and faith in God but sorry, he can sit this one out for now.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 05:35 PM

Wow.

Well, that says it right there. God Bless America, but only when we say so. Otherwise, sit it out.

Thus is Americanized Christianity/belief in God. A God of convenience only.

In other words, it's the same as the current GOP. I stand for this, except for when I don't. I believe in God, except for when I want Him to sit it out.

Brilliant.

Posted by: Michael in MI at November 01, 2009 06:13 PM (ObTcs)

Umm, not at all what I was saying, but sure. And allcaps wasn't really necesssary. the rest of us can actually read in a standard font. . My point was that we're not going to convince people by injencting "my God" into the debate. Why can't we just say, "well unlike liberals who seems to mock any form of religion, we go with the notion that you can worship how you like, just respect the fact that we will do the same". That's pretty much as far as that conversation should go.  

276
Or explaining to people that the Constitution is in fact a document of liberation rather than the negative document claimed it be, is probably more persuasive than saying yeah those there were three trannies in jail that want a sex change operation on your dime, can you believe that??

Seriously? You think the average American (who has been educated by the NEA goons) with a short attention span will respond better to a discussion about the intent of the Constitution rather than simply pointing that thanks to the Democrats, you'll be paying for some criminal's sex-change operation?

I find your lack of faith in your fellow Americans disturbing.

277
I might be the first debate candidate to tell the other guy to go fuck himself.

It was not said in debate, but the esteemed Dick Cheney did tell Patrick Leahy, D-Asshole, to "Fuck Yourself" on the floor of the Senate after he criticized Cheney for Halliburton.

278 There are times like these when I feel like cutting the brake cables on this elevator and letting the whole damn thing drop to hell !


The only sensible people in the country are the Conservatives, and the rest of the nation is made up of idiots and loons. (Independents and Democrats)

My long experience in dealing with humans has led me to one specific conclusions. Some people simply CANNOT learn except by the HARD way.

The Leftist constituency is just plain nuts stupid, and they are incapable of learning. The independents are capable of learning, but only after they've had their head pounded into the dirt by pain and misery.


If we let the leftest loons do what they've been trying to do, it will soon be apparent to the independents which side they should have been on.

This might very well happen regardless of whatever we can do to stop it. I hope not, but everyone needs to be prepared for a sudden drop...
.

279 I'm glad Dede finally came out of the closet.

280 as for the rationing with "death panels"... I'm not sure where the connection is b/w this and the abortion issue...

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 01, 2009 05:45 PM

The connection is simple. Abortion is about sacrificing a life for convenience of another.

Death Panels are sacrificing the elderly and the infirm for the lives of others.

It's the same general mentality. If you think it's quite alright to allow certain people to die for the sake of others to live "better", then that same mentality can be used to support death panels and rationing.

If all life is not sacred, then no life is sacred.

Why should it be okay for us to respect the decision to kill a baby, but not respect the decision to kill off the elderly? The elderly lived their lives. Let them die off, so they stop costing us so much financially.

I see no difference between the cold heartedness and downright evil mentality of thinking killing a baby is okay and allowing the elderly to die is okay.

As you said, I guess it all depends on your definition of life. How about we say that once one reaches the age of 75, they are no longer "living", but merely existing. Therefore, they deserve the same care that a 1st trimester baby deserves in the eyes of pro-choicers: none.

See where I'm going with this?

Pro-choicers have already accepted that not all life is sacred. Fine, then we can also redefine life for the elderly and the infirm.

Death Panels and rationing is simply taking the pro-choice mentality to end of life care.

In my opinion, those people who are pro-choice and determining what life is at the beginning stages of life as are despicable in their views as those who are pro-death panels and determining what life is at the end stages of life.

The fact that pro-choice people can't see this just baffles me.

281 She is and always was a Democratic Ho, we just aren't going to pay the pimp.

282
I'm glad Dede finally came out of the closet.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at November 01, 2009 06:27 PM (LbTt5)

Me too. She had to cover herself in Crisco but she managed to squeeze out of there somehow.

283 as for the rationing with "death panels"... I'm not sure where the connection is b/w this and the abortion issue...

Either life is sacred or its a resource to be measured and used by the State.

284

The connection is simple. Abortion is about sacrificing a life for convenience of another.

Death Panels are sacrificing the elderly and the infirm for the lives of others.


Posted by: Michael in MI at November 01, 2009 06:28 PM (ObTcs)



You Go girl ! I see your name occasionally on other websites, and I Always agree with you. Keep up the good fight!

285 as for cap-n-trade, again, I don't see the connection b/w this and abortion..

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at November 01, 2009 05:45 PM

Same thing. Cap and trade is about saving the world from destruction from global warming. When people are told that it will make life horrible to live for most people -- and, in fact cause many people to die -- we are told that is the price we must pay to save our children and grandchildren.

Again, it's saying that certain lives are worth more than others. We must suffer and die now in order to save our children in the future.

As you said, it depends on what life you consider a life. The fact that we cannot all agree that all life is sacred and we are even considering that some life is less sacred than others, is just downright disheartening.

286
Illegal immigration is quickly becoming a social issue, should we give up on that, too?

287 The libs say "so you want to go back to "bakc alley abortions", do you want the poor to have no alternative?  We have to have abortions because otherwise women will die."

Not saying I agree with them but most Americans when they hear that react in favor of saving women form themselves.

288

We have a debate winner!

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 01, 2009 06:20 PM (V9SYy)

See? It isn't difficult people!

289 276
Or explaining to people that the Constitution is in fact a document of liberation rather than the negative document claimed it be, is probably more persuasive than saying yeah those there were three trannies in jail that want a sex change operation on your dime, can you believe that??

Seriously? You think the average American (who has been educated by the NEA goons) with a short attention span will respond better to a discussion about the intent of the Constitution rather than simply pointing that thanks to the Democrats, you'll be paying for some criminal's sex-change operation?

I find your lack of faith in your fellow Americans disturbing.

Posted by: Tweet at November 01, 2009 06:26 PM (f8+ox)

Yes. Because you do it in a way that shows how the constitution impacts their lives every day. The he/she in jail waiting on the sex change operation--while a fun water cooler story--is rare. Let's at least be realistic (and honest) in our outrage.

290 Posted by: Jack Burton at November 01, 2009 05:31 PM (YxJoH)

Those all sound like social issues to me.  But hey, I'm sure you know best.

291 Bravo, Ms. Scozzafava. This is the sort of mature, considered, reasonable stand that practical Republicans take, a stand that will forge our way back to a powerful majority. We salute you.

Please pass a bucket and three life jackets.

292 Twitter has been abuzz all day with the news of Dede's defection. Funniest tweet I've seen so far:

RNCC: "I spent $900,000 on Dede and all I got was this lousy Democrat endorsement."

293 "Whoa ... take a look at the Intrade volume for the GOP 2012 nominee.  Awesome. "


Wait till you see the PPP poll.  When a Dem pollster can't put a D close, its over.

294 The hyperbole here is great! Can we have more?

295 But political parties exist to win elections. That may be good. That may be bad. Whether it is good or bad is largely irrelevant because it is what it is.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 01, 2009 05:48 PM

I believe most of the Founders were dead set against political parties. As they knew that they would lead people to put "party over principle". They were right.

296 Illegal immigration is quickly becoming a social issue, should we give up on that, too?

Illegal immigration is a CRIMINAL issue.  You can spin it any way you want, but nobody who is against it is going to bite.

297 Hey! Look over here! You can see my big tits!

298
I take that back. The Left has made illegal aliens a social issue.

My evidence: the Republicans are afraid to even bring it up. John McCain, during his campaign, made it clear he fell for the Democrat B.S. when he said, "As president, I don't want to tell a soldier in our military that his family has to go back their own country."

Eric Holder is right; we are a nation of cowards. We pussed out on social issues that are necessary for the survival of our country.

299

The libs say "so you want to go back to "bakc alley abortions", do you want the poor to have no alternative?  We have to have abortions because otherwise women will die."

I really hate that argument. If, tomorrow, Roe v. Wade was overturned, abortions would neither become legal or illegal. Instead, the right to regulate abortions would default back to the individual states. Thus, states like New York and Vermont, for example, would probably have abortion if Roe was overturned much like you have it today. Other states would impose strict restrictions. A fair number of states would have a mix, some regulations more restrictive that what the Supreme Court allows but not an outright ban. The significant difference would be that the states, and not 9 unelected officials, would make the decision. Which is how it should be.

300

Yes. Because you do it in a way that shows how the constitution impacts their lives every day. The he/she in jail waiting on the sex change operation--while a fun water cooler story--is rare. Let's at least be realistic (and honest) in our outrage.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 06:35 PM (SS3sf)

Death of a thousand cuts though lacy. Why should I pardon the cash for pre-op trannys program, even if it isn't on the scale of say, Cap and Tax? It's still a scurrilous misuse and theft of our tax dollars. I have had enough, it's my money. If I wanted a pre-op tranny paid for with my cash, I'd call Blazer up.(Yeah it isn't wednesday night yet, but it was an easy flame and I took it)

301 #299, why can't a Republican make that simple argument?

302 It is mind boggling that people can label Sarah Palin as stupid and yet still read the vapid blond progeny of John McCain's blog.  

303 By the way, the next time Gingrich shows up on any remotely right-of-center venue, cable or radio show, he should be heckled, ridiculed, and made a laughingstock. Whatever advice he gives to conservatives, just follow the opposite and things will work out all right.

304

Yes. Because you do it in a way that shows how the constitution impacts their lives every day. The he/she in jail waiting on the sex change operation--while a fun water cooler story--is rare. Let's at least be realistic (and honest) in our outrage.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 06:35 PM (SS3sf)

It ought to be a "Are you out of your fucking mind ?" thing. The fact that it is even suggested indicates our system is SERIOUSLY out of whack.

I've read just this week that scientists now think they can do "Womb Transplants."
If we get socialized medicine, somehow I think transgender prisoners will be moved to the front of the line just to encourage such lunacy.

The left seems to have a VERY strong attachment to the sick and perverse.

305 297 Hey! Look over here! You can see my big tits!

Posted by: Megan McCain at November 01, 2009 06:37 PM (P33XN)

Have another stick of butter, Fatty McButterpants.

306 Posted by: Tweet at November 01, 2009 06:04 PM

Well said. 100% agreed.

307

I believe most of the Founders were dead set against political parties. As they knew that they would lead people to put "party over principle". They were right.

Yet many of the founders (Adams, Jefferson, etc.) belonged to parties. As humans, we often have aspirational beliefs and reality actions.

308 I don't think the elite think Palin is stupid.  That is just the default argument they use.  Reagan, Bush, Bush, Quayle, Palin, etc.  They are scared shitless of her because she can't be controlled.  They know she is smart and can inspire a movement.  She must be stopped at all costs.

309 "I really hope someone is going to primary her next year"

In Eve Online, "primarying" someone means to designate them the primary target, that is, the ship that everybody in the fleet is to concentrate firepower upon. Primaries tend to go down fast.

That sounds about right.

310 It is mind boggling that people can label Sarah Palin as stupid and yet still read the vapid blond progeny of John McCain's blog.  

Posted by: curious at November 01, 2009 06:40 PM (p302b)

Certainly you are not referring to my pleasantly plump Socrates ?

311 Illegal immigration is a CRIMINAL issue.  You can spin it any way you want, but nobody who is against it is going to bite.

Posted by: Peaches at November 01, 2009 06:36 PM (9Wv2j)

I have this discussion all the time. (Morality based laws.) I always respond the same way. ALL laws are legislated morality. The only question left to be decided is Who's? 

The Europeans have figured out a way to make the annoying Christian moralists stop forcing their morality on them. They've decided to let the Muslims do it instead.

312
The hyperbole here is great! Can we have more?
Posted by: JEA

Yeah, Flaming Anus, here's more:

Gee, you mean after conservative Repubs skin her alive, she should still endorse Hoffman out of some kind of party loyalty?
Posted by: JEA

313

Have another stick of butter, Fatty McButterpants.

Now that's not nice! I have a tattoo! And gay friends!

Why can't we get along?

I see you like bacon. I love bacon! Be my friend?

314 301 #299, why can't a Republican make that simple argument?

Posted by: Just Another Poster at November 01, 2009 06:39 PM (HAdov)

They do. You just don't hear it because of the left's SCREAMING about back alley abortions, CHOICE, etc.

315 Now that's not nice! I have a tattoo! And gay friends!

Your dad has gay friends, too.

316

"The fact that pro-choice people can't see this just baffles me."

Dude.  You must be several decades younger than I.  There have always (hyperbole) been a legion of useful idiots or clueless zombies or mindless gimme sheep AND the Marxist/Lenin/Maoist/Communist/Elites, that are impervious to reason, ethics, or morals.  Don't interpret this as fully advocating your position - just a NFL break/flyby.

They am what they am.  Pro-Life has been gaining ground.  Work to make their gains larger.  It's not as clear cut as in days gone by, but even today, the majority of We the People, will eventually "get it".

 

317 Ideological purity!!!
Eleventyy!

For the umpteenth time, the lesson here is that the party needs to get these local party hacks who chose this chick troll in line. 

318

Unclefacts-

Because cap/tax will undoubtedly affect every single one of us. When you make the pre-op/prison argument, you get stupid stares. Pepole are smart enough to know those case, asinine as they are, are still rare and will only impact people on a state level. For you know, the what, three times that even comes up?

We just have to see the bigger picture. So speaking of...

If we all had three things (and only three) we needed out of the Republican Conservative party, what would they be? (I guarantee we're all much closer on tihs than we think we are--we're getting caught up on minutia. Relevant minutia I might add-but we need to think BIG PICTURE).

319 313

Have another stick of butter, Fatty McButterpants.

Now that's not nice! I have a tattoo! And gay friends!

Why can't we get along?

I see you like bacon. I love bacon! Be my friend?

Posted by: Megan McCain at November 01, 2009 06:44 PM (P33XN)

I catch you looking at my bacons, and I'll hang your humongous ass up like a pinata.

320
 When I addressed The Log Cabin Syrup Conservatives several months back, I was very disapointed when I found out there would be no pancakes afterwards.

321

#299, why can't a Republican make that simple argument?

Oh no, I think I have pissed off enough people today. I am not going anywhere near that. Maybe another day.

322 Who knew that the person to take down Newt would be a toad in a pink suit?

323
okay, I'm taking names of who's with me and who's against me. I need to keep track for future reference.

324 oh and it's not even 6pm yet here and pretty much dark. serious downside to the time change.

325

I catch you looking at my bacons, and I'll hang your humongous ass up like a pinata

Oooh, really? Sounds like fun!

I love to have my bottom paddled!

326 Lacey, I understand exactly what you're saying. I'm saying that I'm going to get riled up over the theft and misuse of ANY of my tax dollars.

Hell, it could be for getting Fatty McButterpants lipo, I'm still going to howl about it.

Not saying that we lose sight of the big picture, but when you see waste and theft, speak up! Raise hell!ELEVENTY!!ONEONE!11!

327

I love to have my bottom paddled!

Posted by: Megan McCain at November 01, 2009 06:50 PM (P33XN)

Sorry, I ain't got that kinda time.

328 okay, I'm taking names of who's with me and who's against me. I need to keep track for future reference.

Posted by: Tweet McCarthy at November 01, 2009 06:49 PM (f8+ox)

Alright buddy, we're not going streaking through the quad with you just yet. Settle down.

329 Next project, get Marco Rubio the nomination in FL.

330 Agreed with that statement but...Organizaion does help to demonstrate the strength and cohesion of your movement. Look at the tea parties--w/out organization and social networkng sites it would not merely be the succcess it has been. Individuals and individualism is great. But individual strength in numbers is even better.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 06:04 PM

I understand.

My point is that why are people sitting around at this point asking "what can I do?"

I've been speaking up for years, since I became politically aware and astute starting around 2004. I have not stayed silent, I have not allowed people to spew BS around me and go uncorrected. I have spoken up.

And, in the process, if in public, others hear this. When I have done this at work, others who had been quiet and felt they were alone, have come over to my cube and said "hey man, I agree with you on what you said earlier. I have some more ideas... what do you think about..." and a new networking contact has been established.

All because I had the courage to stand up and speak my values, principles and beliefs and not sit on my ass and wait around for some PAC to develop or some organization to develop.

Yes, I agree they help. I'm not saying DON'T form them or join them. I'm saying you are your own PAC. You don't need a PAC to send out e-mails to your distribution lists, to post things on your Facebook so that 300+ other people see it, who then send it to their Facebook friends and on and on , or to just speak up among friends, family and coworkers.

How do you think the memes got spread about Bush and the war effort? The media, sure, but also word of mouth. Not everyone watches the news. But people started talking about things with family, friends and coworkers and then memes spread like wildfire, even those which were not true.

So word of mouth works. "Pay it Forward" works.

People simply need to stop accepting the status quo of being the "silent majority" and start being the VOCAL majority.

Look how the Tea Parties formed. Word of mouth. Started out small. Then got more exposure and more word of mouth and more people saying "YEAH! YES! I like this! I want to get involved!" And they did. And the movement has grown and grown.

All because of the courage of a few people to not wait for a PAC, not wait for their Representatives to get their heads out of their asses and represent them better, not wait for the media to help us. No, a few courageous people decided to get up and be heard. And 9 months later, here we are with a movement.

You know why the Left has been winning the last 2-3 election cycles? Because they decided not to be silent. They were out there being vocal, being involved, being active and... persuading... people.

It can be done. *I've* done it. I've seen others do it. I believe a stay-at-home mom in the Pacific Northwest was actually the founder of the Tea Party movement who got it going with her little gathering back in January. Anyone can do it.

But that is the key: DOING. Speak, do, inform, educate, inspire. It can be done. It is being done.

331

oh and one more reality check, those making fun of Meggie, umm, are any of you even getting laid yourselves? just askin'

(said from someone who's admittedly taken shots at her as well--I guess I'm just in defense mode today. plus, and probably more important, I am a moronette-we do change our minds!)

332 Not only should she not ever be allowed to campaign as an R again, everyone in the party uppers who backed her should either resign or formally apologize. 

333

laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 06:53 PM (SS3sf)

Thank you, laceyunderalls! We open minded women must stick together!

By the way, do you have any pancakes?

334

uncle, I call uncle. no we are on the same page more or less.

we are not one another's enemies. I am your moronette as much as you're my moron and we're in for the fight of our lives.

335 262 So pardon me when I tell you to fuck off.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 06:07 PM (erIg9)

Thank you, Unclefacts. That annoying little scrote has been getting on my nerves all day. Among others. Who probably don't know who they are.

Posted by: Peaches at November 01, 2009 06:16 PM

Seconded.

336

Sorry, I ain't got that kinda time.

Bullshit - you just don't have that big a paddle.

And yeah, Lacy - Mrs. Mallamutt and I do, ahhh, well, you know.

337 333

laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 06:53 PM (SS3sf)

Thank you, laceyunderalls! We open minded women must stick together!

By the way, do you have any pancakes?

Posted by: Megan McCain at November 01, 2009 06:56 PM (P33XN)

Sadly I do not. But you're a bazillionaire so you can hire some young hot thing to go out, buy your pancakes then sex you up for good measure

(see what I did there!!!)

338

By the way, do you have any pancakes?

Yeah, pancakes are nice and all, but really, can a brother get a donut around here. I'm starving. I haven't eaten in, like 25 minutes.

339
They were out there being vocal...

And the silence on the other side only emoboldened the Left...making their voices only louder. We cannot cede any ground to the Left. None. Staying silent on the social issues is not a winning strategy.

First they came after the family structure and I did nothing...

Well, guess what. The Left is all about telling you how to live. They are on the verge of controlling your lives with Health Care and Cap & Trade and Hate Crime Laws.

340 oh and one more reality check, those making fun of Meggie, umm, are any of you even getting laid yourselves? just askin'


how you doin'?

341 I'm not making fun of her.  Just saying she is not the brightest bulb in the lot.  And for her to be so pompous to think that she can resurrect the republican party on facebook and twitter shows how she is either very naive or a megalomaniac.

342 Umm, not at all what I was saying, but sure. And allcaps wasn't really necesssary. the rest of us can actually read in a standard font.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 06:26 PM

Umm, the "allcaps" is only for "GOP" in my comment. The bold was an open HTML tag.

343 334

uncle, I call uncle. no we are on the same page more or less.

we are not one another's enemies. I am your moronette as much as you're my moron and we're in for the fight of our lives.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 06:56 PM (SS3sf)

yes we are. <3

344
ITS MY PARTY AND ILL SHOUT IF I WANT TO

i haz headache now

345 If we all had three things (and only three) we needed out of the Republican Conservative party, what would they be?

Here are my three:
1. A deep respect for the dignity of every individual.  We aren't merely members of a class.  We aren't a collective.  We are each individuals with separate goals and dreams and aspirations.

2. A deep understanding that a leader must have wisdom.  Wisdom is the sum of both book knowledge and the experiences of the past.  Don't go flying into the latest flashy theory to be your salvation.  History should be your guide.

3. A deep commitment to a financially prudent lifestyle, and its application to government.  No big spending schemes.  Don't go deeply into debt.  Live on less than you make.  Shop for bargains.

346 Please join me (a sworn dedicated Republican in a shocking pink dirigible-sized pants suit) in voting for Bill Owens (the Democrat) on Tuesday. To address the tough challenges ahead, we must rise above partisanship (by becoming pro-Democrat) and politics and work together (by voting for the Democrat and ignoring conservatives, not to mention lying to every single one of you, suckers... I'm looking at you, Newt).

Words to warm the inner thighs and lubricious parts of David Frum. In a homoerotic way, if necessary.

347

And for her to be so pompous to think that she can resurrect the republican party on facebook and twitter shows how she is either very naive or a megalomaniac.

Megan McCain, no.

Sarah Palin, however, can do quite a bit with facebook and twitter.

348 Here are my three:

1. A deep....

2. A deep...

3. A deep...

Posted by: chemjeff at November 01, 2009 07:03 PM (bnZcZ) 

Yes!  Yes!!!  Yeeeeeeeesssssssssssss!

349 "Just saying she is not the brightest bulb in the lot. "

Not so sure about that.  She talks and the political conversation changes immediately.  That doesn't happen for some dumb hick from Alaska.  She might not have an encyclopedia of political knowledge in that brain, but she knows what she knows and more importantly she knows what she doesn't know and when to seek advice.

Who would you rather have as president a Gore or Obama who doesn't know when to ask for help or a Reagan, B. Clinton or Palin who knows their limits?  Note: I'm not equating B. Clinton politically to the other two, but he did know how to lead.

350 341 I'm not making fun of her.  Just saying she is not the brightest bulb in the lot.  And for her to be so pompous to think that she can resurrect the republican party on facebook and twitter shows how she is either very naive or a megalomaniac.

Posted by: curious at November 01, 2009 07:00 PM (p302b)

agreed. but what she says has nothing to do w/how she looks. (but I'm fully aware she *stupidlly* put a ridiculously booby pic up on twitpic). she's still a cute girl despite the figure and I'm not a betting girl but I'd put $$$ on the fact that most of you would still hit it like a crash test dummy hits a wall if given the chance.

351 I think I saw boobs in aisle 343.  First the news and now AoSHQ.  What is the world coming to.

352 Now Tweet, that was really mean. I don't call you an asshole even though you are one.

353

every issue is a social issue

every issue is a fiscal issue

every issue is a defense issue

they have only been seperated in order to seperate us.

 

 

354 Posted by: Frustrated Moronettes at November 01, 2009 07:05 PM (YX6i/)

Wow.  I think you enjoyed that one much more than I did.  I'm looking forward to the next date though.

355 chemjeff +100

356 I'd put $$$ on the fact that most of you would still hit it like a crash test dummy hits a wall if given the chance.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 07:05 PM (SS3sf)

Oh, you have been paying attention to us*

*Exemptions:  Gabriel Malor, Michael in MI

357 I believe most of the Founders were dead set against political parties. As they knew that they would lead people to put "party over principle". They were right.

Yet many of the founders (Adams, Jefferson, etc.) belonged to parties. As humans, we often have aspirational beliefs and reality actions.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 01, 2009 06:42 PM

Yeah, that's why I said "most" not "all". heh

I'd have to go back and check statements made during that era to find out which founders spoke out against Parties and warned of their dangers.

358
Ladies and gentlemen the Cottage Cheese Socrates has spoken !

really crazy time in politics right now, especially w the Gop, cant believe some members of the GOP are so scared of me. I love it of course about 4 hours ago from web for the extreme side of the party to understand? I wish more moderates would get out there and take the heat, we are here and not leaving!about 4 hours ago from web

359 Wow, I thought the flamewar was set for Wendsday. Can we start now?

360
JEA, you know what?

You and 'John ryan' are the best of the worst the Left has to offer. I really mean that.

361 Having Meghan McCain represent the Young Fresh Face of the GOP is like having William Kennedy Smith as director of the local Battered Woman's Shelter.

362

It turns out she was hiding in the attic the whole time.

 

363 353

every issue is a social issue

every issue is a fiscal issue

every issue is a defense issue

they have only been seperated in order to seperate us.

 

Posted by: shoey at November 01, 2009 07:07 PM (RxUMK)

Damned good point. It's so good I copied into my quotations file.

364
...we are here and not leaving!

speak for yourself, bimbo!

365 fatty mcbutterpants is why I refuse to use twitter.

366

I just made my first Donation to Marcorubio.com.  Use the selcted amounts as they rounded my entered amount up.

No big deal, I would have used it for alcohol.

367 So Scozzafava went full Charles Johnson on this one, huh?  Bloated hippies.

368

The flame war thign scares me. I'm not thinned skinned like our Prez but hwo does it work? Do you guys rip on people who aren't even present? If so, I will have to show up to defend my honor.

I don't want to be cast RINO that would go down on Meggie because I defended her in three comments.

369 Having Meghan McCain represent the Young Fresh Face of the GOP is like having William Kennedy Smith as director of the local Battered Woman's Shelter.

Posted by: George Orwell at November 01, 2009 07:10 PM (AZGON)

Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like picking up the latest issue of Maxim and finding Helen Thomas in a bikini the cover.

370

I'd have to go back and check statements made during that era to find out which founders spoke out against Parties and warned of their dangers.

Yeah, I have sen that too. Actually, I think it was Washington. Of course, Washingotn understood he had the first Presidency wrapped up. So, it is always easy to be virtuious (spelling, I know) when you are getting what you want. That is why my 16 year old daughter loves me when I let her have the car.

And, I agree, that one does tend to lose one's moral fiber when political parties get involved. However, they are a way of life. Life involves a series of trade offs. The challenge is to recognize what trade offs are acceptable and what are not. Sadly, it seems any trade off to retain political power is acceptable to some.

371 368

The flame war thign scares me. I'm not thinned skinned like our Prez but hwo does it work? Do you guys rip on people who aren't even present? If so, I will have to show up to defend my honor.

I don't want to be cast RINO that would go down on Meggie because I defended her in three comments.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 07:13 PM (SS3sf)

don't be scared, it's all in fun.(mostly)

372 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like picking up the latest issue of Maxim and finding Helen Thomas in a bikini the cover.

Thanks for that image.

373 the Cottage Cheese Socrates has spoken

I think of her as the Tokyo Rose of Crisco.

374 I trust the fat bitch is refunding every dime the RNC spent on her fat ass?

375 I think we can stop using the term "RINO" now. "Republican" now means "I stand for whatever will get me elected". Thus, someone who is a conservative, who is principled and who stands for something is now a "RINO".

Posted by: Michael in MI

 

Repeated for emphasis.  TI endorse this idea wholeheartedly.  Jib, newsletter, etc.

376 How's my ass taste, bitches?

377 Do you guys rip on people who aren't even present? If so, I will have to show up to defend my honor.

If I wasn't present and didn't get ripped on during the flamer, I would be offended.

Others have different opinions... but they're wrong.

378 Can Chuck Norris lift Meghan McCain?

379 How's my ass taste, bitches?

Like a fine French cheese, a runny Epoisses, highly ammoniated and crusted with moldy rind. It makes me hard as a cold chisel on a winter's morning. I lust for some forbidden liberal man love.

380

Hoffman's campaign mgr endorses Hoffman per Hotline:

Assemb. Dede Scozzafava (R) may be crossing party lines to support atty Bill Owens (D), but her now ex-mgr Matt Burns isn't going along with that decision. "Dede is entitled to her own opinion, as is everyone, but I obviously disagree with her decision," Burns told us today, a day after leaving the campaign. "I am supporting Doug Hoffman, because denying Nancy Pelosi another foot soldier is vital to restoring fiscal responsibility and common sense in Washington."

381

#363

thanks

sometimes i surprise myself, lol

382

just read The Georgie Girl's tweets(?)

i'm afraid, very afraid, those moderates are some tough cookies.

383 "I am supporting Doug Hoffman, because denying Nancy Pelosi another foot soldier is vital to restoring fiscal responsibility and common sense in Washington."

Another lousy witch-hunting ideological bigot. Why can't we all be pragmatic and advance Republican fortunes by voting Democrat? It's the Colin Powell thing to do, and he's black. So it must be right.

384 376 How's my ass taste, bitches?

Posted by: Dede Scozzafava at November 01, 2009 07:17 PM (P33XN)

reports say it's reminiscent of old celery, Newt, can you confirm this?

385 Hoffman's campaign mgr endorses Hoffman per Hotline:

Wow, Lacey, that is incredible....

Heh.

386

Do not seperate your religion from your politics.

If we all followed the 10 commandments, how many additional laws would we need.

387 Dede Scuzzlebutt once ate an entire village in Bosnia.

SRSLY. I read it on Wikipedia.

388 teh Fred is going to Watertown to stump for Hoffman

389 I do think the "fornication" thing needs some explainin'.

390 382

just read The Georgie Girl's tweets(?)

i'm afraid, very afraid, those moderates are some tough cookies.

Posted by: shoey at November 01, 2009 07:24 PM (RxUMK)

If by tough you mean blitheringly stupid, then yeah.

391 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like Rosie O'Donnell represent Weight Watchers.

392 Golly all gosh a-mighty. Isn't it wonderful how Democrats do the same thing to their party? I mean, doesn't everyone remember how when Lieberman left the Democrat ticket in 2006 to run as an independent, the Democrat Ned Lamont put his backing behind the Republican Schlesinger?

Wait, you mean that never happened? I wonder why?

/rhetorical query

393 388 teh Fred is going to Watertown to stump for Hoffman

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 07:27 PM

Yep, he posted this last night on his Facebook page:

"Jeri, singer-songwriter John Rich and I will be at a Hoffman for US Congress rally at 6:30pm ET this Monday, Nov 2 at Jefferson County Agricultural Society; 615 W.T. Fields Dr, Watertown, NY. Please spread the word to anyone you know in the area."

394

Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Roman Polanski take over for Chris Hansen on To Catch A Predator.

395 "Do not seperate your religion from your politics.

If we all followed the 10 commandments, how many additional laws would we need."

i'm not sure how, but i am sure that's a racist remark

 

 

396

#390

yes, that is exactly what i meant, lol

397 i'm not sure how, but i am sure that's a racist remark
Posted by: Newt McCain Grahamnesty

I'm available for a date.

398 Oh, okay, I can do this.  I can...

Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Michael Moore representing Lee Iacocca .

399 you're killing me, lol

400 Fatty McButterpants representing the GOP, is like Fatty McButterpants representing MENSA.

401 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Japanese representing whales & dolphins.

402

Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Robert Downey Jr. guard your stash of heroin for you.

403 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having David Brooks as editor-in-chief of Soldier of Fortune.

404 400 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Japanese representing whales & dolphins sea creatures with tentacles.

FIFY

405 "Do not seperate your religion from your politics.

If we all followed the 10 commandments, how many additional laws would we need."  BOY!

i'm not sure how, but i am sure that's a racist remark

How's that?

406
Frank Rich + Scozzafava + Stalin = Ghost Light Out

Find out why:

Frank Rich: Ghost Light's Out

407

Hey, you guys aren't part of racial party purity--you're Stalinists. And if that critique from Frank Rich isn't enough, there's also Ron Brownstein agreeing that the base must be beaten into submission.

408

Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP would be like having A-Rod as head of The Promise Keepers.

409 Darn you, naturalfake. It's just like a Stalinist to beat someone to a post.

410 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having the French Army guarding the entrance to the Rhineland. May, 1940.

411 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like nominating John McCain for your Presidential candidate.

412 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Obama as commander-in-chief.

Wait. What?

413

See, I told you she was a loyal Republican you stupid bible-thumping idiots.

 

414 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Miley Cyrus picking a fist fight with Brian Dennehy.

415 All right, Michael Steele. Time to say something.

Wat up wit dat shit?

416

I am tired of having my racism questioned here!

I am now shouting out for Marco Rubio in FL and would like to be able to do so without having to use the term "spic" in my posts.

BTW, I did not at anytime use the "C" word in this thread.  That was someone else; who I should probably thank.

417 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Michael Moore hold your bag of Cheetos.

418 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like trusting your unborn daughter to your neighborhood Chinese tattle tale.

419

Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Red Six as the sole survivor making the trench run on the Death Star.

420 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Obama as commander-in-chief.

He's so dreamy. If I ever meet Michelle I'll scratch her eyes out. Barry is all mine. Mine.

421
Let me try something...
Marco Rubio is not a despicable man.

wow, you're right, it is hard to do!

422 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Jessica Tandy star in the remake of "Behind The Green Door."

423 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like trusting Congress to appropriate funds to secure the Southern border.

424 Having Fatty McButterPants represent the GOP is like having Helen Thomas star in Debby Does Dallas.

425 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Lucrezia Borgia as your personal chef.

426
Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like putting provolone cheese on your cheese steak sub.

427
Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Pat O'Brien answering telephones for you.

428 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having leaving your dog at the Michael Vick Doggy Hotel.

429 Having Newt Gingrich represent the intellectual wing of the GOP is like NASA replacing Werner von Braun with Wile E. Coyote.

430 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Michael Vick represent the ASPCA.

431 Weird. Two Michael Vick references seconds apart.

432

Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Andrew Sullivan take care of your pet Gerbils while your away for the weekend.

433

wait...

If I follow what transpired here in general (and specifically communicated over the last 24 hours), none of you give two shits about the GOP anyway, right? I mean, Megan actually does currently represent so much of what you loathe about the current state of the GOP. so funny as the anologies are, they're not qutie right.

ps...thanks for bringing up pancakes. I just hd the most delicous dinner!  

434

Damned good point. It's so good I copied into my quotations file.

Make sure you correct the spelling of "separate."

don't be scared, it's all in fun.(mostly)

Speak for yourself, old man.  Be afraid.  Be very afraid.

435 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like bringing a knife (albeit, a very large knife) to a gun fight.

436 Having David Frum strategize for Republicans is like having Judas train your goat.

437 Gawd, lacey, are you on the rag or what?!

438

wait...

If I follow what transpired here in general (and specifically communicated over the last 24 hours), none of you give two shits about the GOP anyway, right? I mean, Megan actually does currently represent so much of what you loathe about the current state of the GOP. so funny as the anologies are, they're not qutie right.

ps...thanks for bringing up pancakes. I just hd the most delicous dinner!  

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 07:57 PM (rdMln)

Shut up. Don't spoil it, we're having fun.

439 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Hillary Clinton swallow.

440 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like expecting lacey to just go with the flow.

441
Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having getting a pet Fox to guard your hen house.

442 Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Meghan McCain.




You're titillated for a millisecond, and then you're ashamed, covered in sweat and Oreo crumbs, and you sure as shinola ain't gonna call her again.

The memory will linger like a sore tooth for weeks, and you pray none of your friends will ever find out.

443
Having Meghan McCain represent the GOP is like having Dan Snyder buy your favorite team.

444

Lacy,

Please note that I am not participating in this and, again, I did not use the "C" word today.

Can I clean the erasers after class.

445

don't be scared, it's all in fun.(mostly)

Speak for yourself, old man.  Be afraid.  Be very afraid.

Posted by: barbelle at November 01, 2009 07:58 PM (qF8q3)

I've been married 23 years, nothing scares me anymore. I welcome the pain.

446

Come on!

I never told you to stop and I didn't say they weren't funny (in fact I said the opposite)  but I point out something that's fairly obvious and you go wtih the "you're on the rag" comment. Try harder next time. FAIL.

That's bullshit, guys.  

447

Come on!

I never told you to stop and I didn't say they weren't funny (in fact I said the opposite)  but I point out something that's fairly obvious and you go wtih the "you're on the rag" comment. Try harder next time. FAIL.

That's bullshit, guys.  

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 08:08 PM (rdMln)

Your getting a little taste of whats in store for Wednesday night. Just a pinch. Fair warning.

448 lacey, I think blazer's just busting your chops

449 Seriously, lacey, we're just warming up.  That's all.  No harm, no foul.

450
Did this place just turn into band camp?

Where's wwooody the wabbit?

451 Where's wwooody the wabbit?

Posted by: Tweet at November 01, 2009 08:12 PM (f8+ox)

better stop with the woody talk, blazer's liable to get all excited again like last time.

452
lacey, I think blazer's just busting your chops

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 08:10 PM (erIg9)

I never said anything about the rag. That was someone else. I'm saving up all my brass, lead and napalm for Wednesday.

453 So 99% here agree that RINO's (The old kind, not the new kind that was just, righteously, created...) are full of sh#t, useless, and are THE reason the Repub brand is now null and void. Eff 'em, right? No more support, AT ALL, for any of them!

So tell me. Why on earth are all of you still here? Ace and Drew M, are RINO's (the old kind) to the bone. (We need to adapt, give a little, so we can win!). That, or they just want to get your dander up to generate traffic (Hey! Just like that Allah @sshole they so worship!).

So it's traffic, or they are what you all say you are against. Regardless, no throats are being slit. And they are helping to get the anti-conservative message out.

You purists...

Just sayin'....

Like the RINO's (The old kind)

454

Lacy,

When the whole class is shooting spitwads sometimes it's just best to go to the lounge and smoke a cigarette.

Now, what about the erasers.

455

better stop with the woody talk, blazer's liable to get all excited again like last time.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 08:13 PM (erIg9)

I know, tell me about it. And afterwards you had to turn that pic of yourself into an internet meme. What was it called again ? Goatse ?


Crap, I should have saved that one.

456

Oh well then I guess I'll start the flame early too.

You're all projecting because in the non-blogosphere real world, none of you would be able to get within a one mile radius of Ms. McCain. You're all the scared little pimply faced kids with 2 1/2 inch boners that carted the projecters back into the AV room and watched as Ms. McCain-type breezed down the hall with all the confidence in the world. You could never quite summons the courage to say hello. Instead you went home and played D&D with your neighbor and decided since neither of you could actually get laid, you'd take your Dad's power drill, make a hole in the wall and call it a day.

How'd I do?

 

457

When the whole class is shooting spitwads sometimes it's just best to go to the lounge and smoke a cigarette.

Posted by: mghorning at November 01, 2009 08:15 PM (o6bej)

Heh - sounds like you've got experience.

458

Geez,  are we becoming HA?  Now we have posters loving Meghan McCain as some kind of political diva. 

As for Dede... yeah another RINO who was really a beard for the Dems...

Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., was among those who urged Dierdre K. Scozzafava to endorse Democratic congressional candidate William L. Owens, the senator's spokesman said Saturday.  The spokesman, Maxwell Young, said the senator called a number of north country political leaders after Ms. Scozzafava suspended her campaign and had more than one conversation with the Republican candidate ahead of her announcement. He said the senator also called other Democratic leaders about the situation, including White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.[snip]       A Democratic source said that Scozzafava and her husband, Ronald P. McDougall, met with U.S. Rep. Steve Israel, D-Huntington, and state Democratic Committee Chairwoman June F. O'Neill at a restaurant in Gouverneur on Saturday afternoon to discuss the endorsement. http://tinyurl.com/ylmv9hv

 

 

459 Shit, that was pretty good lacey, but best not blow your whole wad too early.  Take it from a moron.

460
I know, tell me about it. And afterwards you had to turn that pic of yourself into an internet meme. What was it called again ? Goatse ?


Crap, I should have saved that one.

Posted by: Blazer at November 01, 2009 08:15 PM (+FzLa)

There's nothing about you that six feet of dirt wouldn't fix.

461 by the way, lacey, with that flame we're not interpreting that you're standing up for Megs, but that you're insulting us that much more by using her as the propellant. 

That best be what you be doin'.

462
Now we have posters loving Meghan McCain as some kind of political diva.

okay

463

I've been married 23 years, nothing scares me anymore. I welcome the pain.

Hubby, is that you?

464

#456 lacyunderalls

Dede?

Is that you?

465

Evidently, you can get to Lacy, But you can't get "underpants".

Get it!

466

Geez,  are we becoming HA?  Now we have posters loving Meghan McCain as some kind of political diva. 

nope. it's an anomaly. she's grating. I'm just in a combative mood and playing devil's advocate.

 

467

nope. it's an anomaly. she's grating. I'm just in a combative mood and playing devil's advocate.

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 08:22 PM (rdMln)

is there some kind of naughty outfit that goes with that?

468

There's nothing about you that six feet of dirt wouldn't fix.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 08:20 PM



Save your strength O' Summoner Of Manmeat. Your gonna need it.


*cues the Rocky theme*

469 464

#456 lacyunderalls

Dede?

Is that you?

Posted by: Mega-Ton at November 01, 2009 08:21 PM (uGC1P)

now that was just mean! take it back, right now!

470 467

nope. it's an anomaly. she's grating. I'm just in a combative mood and playing devil's advocate.

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 08:22 PM (rdMln)

is there some kind of naughty outfit that goes with that?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 08:23 PM (erIg9)

Duh! Of course there is. But someone in your crew said I was on the rag so naughty outfit for any of you!!

471 Just read at Gateway Pundit that DeDe made this decision after meeting with Chuck "Wavy-Hair" Schumer. 

Hmmm......

472

Duh! Of course there is. But someone in your crew said I was on the rag so naughty outfit for any of you!!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 08:25 PM (rdMln)

Ain't my crew, I wouldn't admit to knowing Blazer in public. Point and laugh yes, admit to knowing, no.

473

Oh well then I guess I'll start the flame early too.

You're all projecting because in the non-blogosphere real world, none of you would be able to get within a one mile radius of Ms. McCain. You're all the scared little pimply faced kids with 2 1/2 inch boners that carted the projecters back into the AV room and watched as Ms. McCain-type breezed down the hall with all the confidence in the world. You could never quite summons the courage to say hello. Instead you went home and played D&D with your neighbor and decided since neither of you could actually get laid, you'd take your Dad's power drill, make a hole in the wall and call it a day.

How'd I do?

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 08:17 PM (rdMln)

Let me just say this. On the Flame-War thread, no one can hear you scream.

474 Umm, and of course that was supposed to read as NO naughty outfit for any of you!! It would help if I could type to actually you know, make my point.

475 Regarding re-defining RINO: Are you some kind of douchebag? First liberals redefine "Better dead than red" now some douche here wants to redefine RINO? The language exists for clarity in communication. Trying to change the meaning of words that are used in communication screws up communication. This is why Liberals love to screw over the language, it is easier to confuse people than it is to actually win an argument on logic.

476 Lacy, I got pannnnnnnnncakkkkkkkkkkkes!

477 475 Regarding re-defining RINO: Are you some kind of douchebag? First liberals redefine "Better dead than red" now some douche here wants to redefine RINO? The language exists for clarity in communication. Trying to change the meaning of words that are used in communication screws up communication. This is why Liberals love to screw over the language, it is easier to confuse people than it is to actually win an argument on logic.

Posted by: Douchebag Hunter at November 01, 2009 08:27 PM (e0Iiu)

It's actually easier to win arguments by saying Fuck You. Just sayin'

478 After six hours of intelligent banter this thread has devolved in a most magnficent way!

479 Heh - Blazer keeps getting blamed for my sins. 

480 479 Heh - Blazer keeps getting blamed for my sins. 

Posted by: Editor at November 01, 2009 08:30 PM (YX6i/)

He was born with a lisp and a guilty look.

481

Ain't my crew, I wouldn't admit to knowing Blazer in public. Point and laugh yes, admit to knowing, no.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner, Lover of Bacons at November 01, 2009 08:26 PM (erIg9)

Fortunately for me I guess your handler never takes you out in public.

Goddammit, I'm using up some good material. Unclefacts, I see what your doing here.

482 All I need to say is: NRCC, I told you so.

If Hoffman wins, Scuzzyfavor is gonna be out of a job with the next election.

If Owens wins, then a Republican will win in 2010.

483 478 After six hours of intelligent banter this thread has devolved in a most magnficent way!

Posted by: mghorning at November 01, 2009 08:30 PM (o6bej)

I know--we had a good run though didn't we?? I contributed sadly and now I'm going to sit in the corner. Someone else is already cleaning erasers so I'm not sure what else there is to do in detention.

484 From the Hoffman campaign press release: (taken from The Other McCain, and if I only could get the whole post a link fu I'd be happy)

"Surprise Surprise: Dede is a democrat -- sells out the GOP for the liberal agenda of Nancy Pelosi
Statement from Doug Hoffman Campaign:
Senior Communications Advisor Rob Ryan said, "This afternoon Dede Scozzafava betrayed the GOP. She endorsed a Pelosi Democrat who will spend more, tax more, and push the liberal agenda that is dragging down this nation. Doug Hoffman represents the revolution that is taking place against high taxes. Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats are desperate. They are throwing everything they have at us but we're fighting back. The voters now know what Dede Scozzafava and Bill Owens believe in—the liberal agenda of Nancy Pelosi."

485 Will "Dede" be off the ballot/not in the voting machine?  Does "dropping out" do that, or is that yet another trap; the "pull the "R" lever zombie vote?

486

479 Heh - Blazer keeps getting blamed for my sins. 

That's because you're both assholes. Not that it's a bad thing.

Any body know what time it is.  I mean, really?

487

I know--we had a good run though didn't we?? I contributed sadly and now I'm going to sit in the corner. Someone else is already cleaning erasers so I'm not sure what else there is to do in detention.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 08:35 PM (rdMln)

Well just don't sit there drooling toots, get up and make us all some sammitches or sumptin. Make yourself useful.

488


Well just don't sit there drooling toots, get up and make us all some sammitches or sumptin. Make yourself useful.

Posted by: Blazer at November 01, 2009 08:40 PM (+FzLa)

Sorry. Tending to the delicate unmetionables none of you will ever lay eyes on. Find another dumb bitch to make your grub.

489 .... Aaaaaaaaaaaand scene!

490 Goddammit, I'm using up some good material. Unclefacts, I see what your doing here.

Posted by: Blazer at November 01, 2009 08:33 PM (+FzLa)

Blazer I would think that by now, you'd be used to being "premature"

491

Sorry. Tending to the delicate unmetionables none of you will ever lay eyes on. Find another dumb bitch to make your grub.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 08:43 PM (rdMln)

Hamburger meat ain't really all that delicate sweety. At any rate you see now whats in store, only ten times worse. Just trying to play Mr. Miyagi here to your Daniel San.

Come into the ONT Wednesday night like Xena swinging a battle axe and not Bridget Jones swinging a purse or you won't last long.

492 come on Drew. You uinderstand on a human level? I call BS. You are quite critical of Hillarys ambition,  and after she was pushed out of the race last year she was begged by people, like me, to leave the party, but she not only didnt, she campiagned her axx off for Obama.

what Soczzafava did after taking 900,000 in GOP money is a knife in the back to the party and the people who voted for her under the ticket she ran on.

493 39 peaches, think I saw it on Politico or Hannity not sure which, the 900k firgure

494 peaches the figures on GOP spending on DeeDee at RedState

495

Come into the ONT Wednesday night like Xena swinging a battle axe and not Bridget Jones swinging a purse or you won't last long.

Posted by: Blazer at November 01, 2009 08:48 PM (+FzLa)

Well you're right on that probably. I'm a lover not a fighter so it's probably not for me.

496

Lacy,

You were unfortunate to reenter when the testosterone storm hit.  I can't explain it, you wouldn't understand it however it's all over except the bragging.  Since no one actually got any, give 'em five minutes.

497 As a concerned Christian conservative, I am very upset at the tone this thread has taken. I say we move past Ms. Scufafavaravao's endorsement of the Democrat, and we should now pay attention to her reasons. I blame Sarah Palin for all of it, Ms Scheforavazah is the type of candidate that we should all be proud to have in the halls of Congress!

Aww, F it. I just can't sock this one. From now on when I want to call someone the seaward, I'll just call them a "Scozzafava".

As someone who used to be a D, these GOPer's who want to get along with the Dems are just GOPer's that got their heads patted by the Dems when they were in power. These are the so called "fiscal" conservatives that are lionized as being fiscally responsible when they vote for the Dems taxe increases while crowing that they kept government spending in check by raising it only 15% this year! Given the choice, I'd rather have a D as my congressman than a squishy R.

At least with the D I can have a rubber out when they decide to screw me while the squish R will do it bareback when I'm not looking.

498 FOX NFL Sunday will be broadcasting from Afghanistan next week.

499 She is a fucking traitor.

1000 lashes with a wet noodle.

500

Well you're right on that probably. I'm a lover not a fighter so it's probably not for me.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 01, 2009 08:54 PM (rdMln)

Hey, its just something we do here. Nothing personal. If someone starts to get mad everyone can sense it and a feeding frenzy will commence. There is a certain moronette who to this day will not talk to me or acknowledge my existence after the last one.

501 Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at November 01, 2009 08:53 PM (BP8ea)

Thanks!  Oddly, I just checked back in and your comment was the most recent one.  How cosmic, 400 comments later.

Oh, and if anyone wants to see some serious flaming, go check out the comments on Newt's blog.  They're really tearing him up over there.

502 Have you guys seen this?

Rep. Darrell Issa says Rahm Emanuel called Dede Scozzafava hours before her endorsement of Owens. http://ow.ly/ypI4

503 "347

And for her to be so pompous to think that she can resurrect the republican party on facebook and twitter shows how she is either very naive or a megalomaniac.

Megan McCain, no.

Sarah Palin, however, can do quite a bit with facebook and twitter.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 01, 2009 07:03 PM (P33XN)"

I think Sarah Palin has done a lot of interesting things via twitter and facebook, however, I do not think she is trying to resurrect the Republican Party.  I think she saw close up and personal that it is just as much of a sewer as the democratic party except the Republicans have a "holier than thou" attitude and the dems put everything they are doing in plain sight and challenge you to challenge them, no one does.   If Beck can only get ten people to come forward for his "refounding project" then this country is in more trouble than any of us can imagine.

504 Have you guys seen this?

Rep. Darrell Issa says Rahm Emanuel called Dede Scozzafava hours before her endorsement of Owens. http://ow.ly/ypI4

Posted by: Smurfette at November 01, 2009 09:01 PM (D5pp0)

He sent over a truck load of Whitmans Samplers. Rahm would have sent her a dead fish, but seeing how her thighs rub together and all in her stretch pants he figured that was a losing strategy.

505 Oh yeah, THAT'S what I was going to do on Wednesday...

506 Good riddance to that...
    a) America hater,
    b) Complete dumbass.
Doesn't matter which one, I don't judge on the motives just the actions.

507 You know who is shaking in his boots right now?  Charlie Crist, that's who.

And Marco Rubio is one happy camper.

508 "Conservatism is about the individual."

Umm...baloney. Conservatism is about what is right and good within a society at all times and in all ages which is why true conservatives aren't just checkbook libertarians and why social issues matter as much if not more than fiscal ones.

509 498 FOX NFL Sunday will be broadcasting from Afghanistan next week.

Yes, but did you catch the pathetic, apologetic statement what's-his-face (the host guy on the left) inserted into it?  Gotta' make sure we don't misconstrue Fox going over there as support for the war or anything.  Heaven forfend! 

510 You guys should be listening to Dylan Ratigan.  He is talking about keeping 80% of the derivatives that created this mess secret, he is saying Timmmay came out today and endorsed this idea.  He is the only one on the air today who really understands the financial condition.

511 Posted by: Y-not at November 01, 2009 09:11 PM (sey23)

I missed that but I did hear Michael Strahan mention he was an Army brat.

512
wow, how 'bout that Rush Limbaugh interview with Chris Wallace?

pretty great, if you axe me

513 @511

Strahan seems like a nice guy.

I like the Fox football pre-game team the best (although I'm disappointed in Curt Menefree). 

514 512

It was excellent! Here's the video for anyone who missed it:

http://bit.ly/3O7sq4

515
"Conservatism is about the individual."

Umm...baloney.

You're both right. Conservatives believe in a society of individuals rather than a collective, hence the aversion to communism.

516
thanks for the link, smurfette

517 Conservatism is about the meaning and spirit of the Constitution, which covers both fiscal and social issues; neither should be dictated nor established by the federal government.

518 516 You're very welcome. And thanks to you for making so many terrific points throughout this thread.

519
Looks like Newt flushed his latest post endorsing Hoffman down the memory hole. He was getting excoriated and epically Pwned on the comments thread especially after Scozzafava endorsed Owens.

I don't blame him.

520
And racism.

Don't forget the racism.

521
awww, you're good smurfin' Smurf, Smurfette.

522 It's interesting, the other night before all this stuff began Greta was trying to get him to say on her show definitively that he was running in 2012.  But now, now after this he is a laughing stock.  Wonder how his endorsement evolved.  Wonder if you say you are considering a run you become a target  to be dispensed with immediately?

523 Hey Ace -

You basically pulled a Newt in your "Dede's Farewell" post.  Guess what, Ace?  You're not a tough guy, you're a moronic pussy.  This blog is off my bookmarks (except I may post this in a couple of other threads first).

Loyal Ex-Reader,
Dave

524 519 Blazer, the "I Am Endorsing Doug Hoffman" post? I still see it.

Some of the comments are brutal and high-larious.

525 Yeah, i still see the post at Newt.org, too.  He's done.  Done. Done. Done.

526
Wait, Dave G, I need to ask you something!

Can I sockpuppet you?

I'm running out of names.

527 Well, well, well ...

Politico:

Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY) Met Secretly With Scozzfava

Even though she had already spoken to Attorney General Andrew Cuomo and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY), Scozzafava was apparently rattled and needed some face-to-race reassurance that backing a Democrat was a good idea, according to people familiar with the situation. 

Plus her cellphone voice mailbox was overloaded with Democratic messages and stopped taking incoming calls. Scozzafava left the meeting more relaxed and clearly leaning towards endorsing Owens over Conservative Party hopeful Doug Hoffman, a person familiar with the exchange told me.

528 The text below the link is an excerpt from the Politico post.

529 519 Blazer, the "I Am Endorsing Doug Hoffman" post? I still see it.

Some of the comments are brutal and high-larious.

Posted by: Smurfette at November 01, 2009 09:42 PM (D5pp0)

525 Yeah, i still see the post at Newt.org, too.  He's done.  Done. Done. Done.

Posted by: Editor at November 01, 2009 09:44 PM (YX6i/)

Where is it ? One of you link it here please. I can't find it on his site anymore.

530 Here Blazer

http://tinyurl.com/ylpseml

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533
Thanks for the link Tami. I swear slightly downthread in the comments is a very familiar someone defending Newt. Any guesses who it may be ?

534 Having Megan McCain represent the GOP is like having John McCain represent the GOP.

535 533 No clue, but I suspect this comment was from a moron:

"I think the best thing for Newt to do now is to say that he had been kidnapped and had been forced at gun point to say all the things he said. It probably won’t work but I think it’s the best chance he’s got. "

536 Having Megan McCain represent the GOP is like having John McCain represent the GOP.

Posted by: Jack Burton at November 01, 2009 10:07 PM (YxJoH)

Hey, but at least with Meghan we'll get a heavy weight and not a bantam rooster.

537 I'm now having trouble getting the page to load.  I can't read it....who do you think is making the comment?

538 This you Blazer? LOL

"Is that you downthread Allahpundit ? The Eeyore of the Vichy conservative blogosphere here defending Newt?

Hey, pull up a seat between Newt and Nancy. Meghan will have horderves and cocktails out in a Jiffy.

Cigar?"

539 I'm now having trouble getting the page to load.  I can't read it....who do you think is making the comment?

Posted by: Tami at November 01, 2009 10:09 PM (VuLos)

By Anonymous @ Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:23 PM

What a sad bunch of pitiful anonymous commenters. Spouting your "Pure Conservative" trash from the safety of your couches.

Yes, I disagree with what Newt did, but which of you has done one, one-million of what this man has to advance conservatism in America? Hmmmmm? Newt managed to get passed Welfare Reform that even Reagan couldn't manage. He stopped Clinton dead in his tracks and kept him from pulling the kind of crap that Obama is doing.

You miserable sacks of crap. One mistake and suddenly the man who pretty much defined conservatism for a couple of decades is a RINO, is a "sellout." He made a decision that you, in your no-accomplishing-a-damn-thing-for-conservatism-in-America living rooms disagree with and now you're ready to throw him under the bus.

Pitiful. Sad. Rather be "right" then actually accomplish anything in America. Rather "stick to your principles" and watch American Soldiers die in Afghanistan then bend and get a majority against Obama.

Your kind, the Perot kind, got us eight years of Clinton. Good thing a man like Newt was there to defend America against Clinton while you safely sat at home wallowing in your smug Pure Conservative ideals.

540
The logic of inclusiveness seems to be that conservatives should accept and support moderates as Republicans in purplish parts of the country because unaffiliated centrist-minded voters may gravitate to them precisely because they are moderate and because those voters are fearful or put off by conservatives.

I prefer to take the approach that if conservatives stay true to their values and insist that Republican candidates espouse conservative views and policies, centrist voters will gravitate toward those candidates.

Why should we dilute the GOP with RINOs who are effectively liberals? What does that gain us in the long term or even in the medium term? I believe that there are a lot of people who voted for Obama who now regret what they did and are looking for an alternative. We--i.e., conservatives--should give them that alternative. To do so we must be clear and unequivocal about what we are and what we believe in. Maybe, just maybe, they'll gravitate to us. They may not like everything we have to offer but they may like enough of what we have to offer to vote for conservative candidates.

In the past Republicans like Gingrich and McCain have taken the approach that conservatism is repellent to a majority of a voters and have therefore offered up Republican candidates who are not only not conservatives but are not really Republcians either. In other words they do not have any confidence in conservatism. Maybe it's time to explore the possibility that what centrist voters find repellant about Republicans is that they are Republicans. Being conservative may not be the cause of the repulsion centrist voters feel. They can't stand many Republicans because so many Republican officer holders are mere politicians, unprincipled jerks.

541 Having Megan McCain represent the GOP is like having John McCain represent the GOP.

Posted by: Jack Burton at November 01, 2009 10:07 PM (YxJoH)

Dude - I already did that one.

542

curious,

Timmmay?

Tim Pawlenty?

Tim Pawlenty liberal appeaser and Al Franken enabler?

that Tim Pawlenty?

543
This you Blazer? LOL

Posted by: Tami at November 01, 2009 10:13 PM (VuLos)




Plausible deniabilty.

544 Editor, did you?  If so, I apologize, didn't read it. 

Great minds think alike.

545
Blazer in 539 makes my point for me (as attempted in 540). Gingrich and the Republicans were able to stop Clinton and enact legislation supported by conservatives precisely because that legislation was conservative and appealed to a majority of voters (or else it wouldn't have been enacted).

546 Hoffman up big in the new PPP poll numbers, double digits, all kinds of caveats though.

547 Posted by: shoey at November 01, 2009 10:20 PM (RxUMK)

sorry, used to reading the financial blogs and that is usually how they characterize the secy of the treasury.

548 Editor, did you?  If so, I apologize, didn't read it. 

Posted by: Jack Burton at November 01, 2009 10:21 PM (YxJoH)

Story of my life.

Eh, comment so nice it's posted twice.

549
I guess what I'm saying is that candidates who run as Republicans should actually be Republicans and not Republicans in name only. Is that too much to ask or expect? Of course this means taking a certain ideological stance on a range of issues, a stance that I hope and trust would be regarded as conservative. This is not a question of enforcing ideologically extremist purity. It is merely a case of being what you are and what you claim to be and not something else which is inimical to being a Republican. Either you're a Republican or you're not. Presumably this determination is made by comparing what you are to the party platform. And if the party platform is too liberal/Democrat in its cast than we should just say the jig is up and call ourselves Democrats.

550 PPP I'm golding my dancing til tuesday.  Good new though, good news.

551
What is the GOP platform, anyway? Do we currently have one? Is it spelled out clearly, is it well-defined? Do Gingrich and McCain and other like-minded Republicans espouse the platform? Or are they cafeteria Republicans, supporting the planks of the platform they like and ignoring the planks they don't like?

552 shoey,

apparently he was on Meet the depressed today and Dylan Ratigan was horrified by him pushing this legislation.   Ratigan did make a good point tonight though, he did say as long as everyone keeps focuisng in on the dem/republican stuff no one is really looking at the economy.  He's been a financial writer for over 15 years so his foray to huff po is his first where he is dealing with politics too.  He kept asking tonight who is more likely to vote with the people's wishes.  He was coming to the conclusion that we often come to, no one.

553

Next up, Marco Rubio for Senate.

undespicable.

554 There's a guy on Batchelor right now saying there is a huge presence of Acorn in New Jersey.  And they are discussing NY 23 and calls to daggit to withdraw from the race.

555 Why am I not surprised that this site didn't turn back the clock?

556
He kept asking tonight who is more likely to vote with the people's wishes.  He was coming to the conclusion that we often come to, no one.

Well, that would seem to be an argument for both parties to enforce ideological purity in their respective ranks. And by ideological purity I mean hammering out a party platform, which becomes your ideology--if only for an election cycle--and then nominating and running candidates who will support the platform. As things now stand nobody knows what the hell either party stands for. Both parties are all over the place on what they say they are. Which gives the office holders of both parties plenty of latitude to do whatever they want to do and not vote according to the wishes of the people who elected them.

557 By Anonymous @ Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:23 PM

What a sad bunch of pitiful anonymous commenters.

Pot, kettle. Also, fuck him.

558 Roughcoat,
The GOP platform from last year can be found here.
The next one will be written in 2012. 

559 "when we come back, we are going to have some fun cause we are going to be talking about NY 23."

560
Y-not: Thanks. I'll read it. What do you think of it? Is it a conservative platform?

It seems to me that writing the party platform is the first place conservatives should get involved. Instead of first looking around for candidates who seem to have the right stuff, we should first write the platform and then find people who are willing to run as Republicans who will support their party's platform.

561 Batchelor saying VP to be in NY 23 tomorrow and he is assuming that Dede will be with VP and Owens.

562
I confess I didn't read the party platform and never got involved in trying to influence what it said. I stupidly believed that if someone ran for office as a Republican he was actually--a Republican. And I had an idea in my head of what it meant to be a Republican--it meant that you were more or less conservative. What a maroon I've been. McCain with his obnoxious stance on immigration knocked the scales from my eyes. From now on I'm going to try to get involved in GOP internal politics through the process of writing the party platform. The platform comes first, the people chosen to run as Republicans second.

563

"Yeah, we spent $900,00 on Scozzafava and she ended up endorsing the Democrat. Sorry, our bad!

"BTW, we need to make sure we defeat the Democrats in the 2010 mid-terms, maybe even capture the House! Or the Senate! Or both!

"Can you send a check?"

564 Fund saying there are an unprecedented amount of absentee ballots in Jersey.  he is saying "we have seen people going door to door in Camden, we have seen people going to hospitals".  He is saying this will put a damper on the election and could drag it out for weeks and weeks.  He is calling the" Service employees International Union as the biggest bunch of shock troops jon corzine has in NJ"

565 Roughcoat: Why is writing the platform so important?  It's not.  You can write a platform that Reagan himself would applaud and cheer over, but if Republicans just ignore it then your effort will have been wasted.

What was that thread a while ago about taking over the party by becoming a Republican precinct captain or something?

566 Almost 600 comments and no ace or chaos.  Not complaining.  Just saying.

567 Did you guys ever hear that people in Alaska felt that todd was the behind the scenes governor?  That is a new one on me and Batchelor just brought this up, several times, even when his guest debunked it.  He also said SP is NY 23 and he came right out and said she is the one who asked dagget to drop out of the race.  Does he not read?  or is this part of something else?

568 Daggett is the third party candidate in New Jersey.  Don't know how that's relevant to NY-23.

569 Well FWIW I found the next meeting date for my county's Republican Party Central Committee.  I'll be going.

570 Posted by: chemjeff at November 01, 2009 11:19 PM (bnZcZ)

Batchelor said that Palin was involved with both.

571 Why is writing the platform so important? It's not.

It isn't? How else do you establish what the party stands for? Or what a candidate stands for?

I thought that a platform would serve the same purpose as the Constitution. You put it in writing and everyone figuratively signs off on it. Then, if a candidate goes rogue, you show them the platform and say: hey, you signed off on it. You're not being a Republican.

It's like, if you don't show people what the boundaries are, they're going to act as though there aren't any boundaries. And there won't be anything you can do about it.

572

For all the idiots who have been ragging in Ace.  You don't shit where you eat.  Ace provides a forum for a diverse batch of minds to work on strategy.  I strongly suspect a lot of the folks, including Ace,  posting here have paid their dues for conservative principals and for this country.  I have disagreed with Ace on a few occasions including this one early in the thread but he is absolutely one of the good guys, dickheads. 

 When all this crap started out a few days ago and Scozzafava bowed out it looked like she might have had a little dignity.  Turns out we were wrong.  So what.  I also suspect there are far more capable minds here ready and willing to come to Ace's defence, not that he needs it.  STFU.

573 What a Bitch.

574 Chris Wallace moved up a little in my opiion when he described Scozzafava as too liberal rather than a moderate.

575 Any word on when the Newt will get our money back?

If he isn't, the FEC reports ought to be amusing.

576 Haven't been around much, haven't read thoroughly and sort of guerilla posting...but most people assumed that when she dropped out of the race that she was doing it for the sake of the republican party and knowing she would keep her seat in the legislature.  Plus she was watching her numbers plumet.  Everyone is shocked by her endorsement of Owens and more so by the fact that a tiny little inconsequential district in upstate NY was so important that it had to be guided along......

I don't understand why anyone would attack ace.  If you report in real time it's tougher than you think...as Batchelor says "things in the NY 23 are moving fast, maybe way too fast".

577 Posted by: Roughcoat at November 01, 2009 10:16 PM

Here, here! Well said. 100% agreed.

578 I just let my own little love note in Newt's thread, countering some moron (not the good kind) who defended Newt by repeating Newt's "Hoffman is a carpetbagger" smear.

I'll repost it here, for those who aren't aware of Newt's smear:

"According to Gingrich, Hoffman DOES NOT LIVE in New York's 23rd congressional district"

And this is just another reason you should be angry at Gingrich.

1) Hoffman lived in the 23rd for years, and he never moved. The 23rd left -him- in the 2000 redistricting. Do you seriously think that, if you live in a district, and then someone changes the shape of the district to exclude your house in an effort to gerrymander the district, that you are a "carpetbagger"? Really?

2) If so, then Gingrich is the worst sort of hypocrite, because a very similar thing happened to him in 1992 (in his case, Georgia picked up an extra seat in the House as a result of the 1990 census), which changed the districts around, and he thus also ran in a district he didn't technically live in.

3) Gingrich either knew this, which makes him both disingenuous and a hypocrite, or he was easily conned by a liberal masquerading as a Republican. Since this was discovered and published all over conservative blogs a few days after he attacked Hoffman, and I never heard Newt own up to it, I'm gonna go with the former. If I just missed it and he did apologize for the smear, well, then he's just responsible for vastly expanding the reach of a Democrat smear without checking the facts.

And this is his only mistake? Please. How about carrying water for Nancy Pelosi on the entire global warming trojan horse for socialism nonsense? This is hardly the first time Gingrich has abandoned principle for power. Thankfully, he'll wind up with neither."

Qwinn

579
Gingrich is also a fatso and a pudding face.

580 Was reading Instapundit and then followed this link, sure he has no written confirmation but is it so tough to believe?

581 Rich Lowry at the Corner just suggested that maybe Scozzafava endorsed Owens because her endorsement would -hurt- Owens.  So maybe she's really a conservative after all!

My brain hurts at such staggering stupidity.

Qwinn

582 Someone on my Twitter home feed just tweeted that Scozzafava is now doing robo calls for Owens. Still just a rumor, though. http://j.mp/b5GuL

583 Dede's making robo-calls for Owens? Quite likely

Politico: Winning Dede - How Dems Got Her Nod  LINK

584 @582 So you're saying Scozzafava was a fembot all along?  I dunno, if I had any skills in robotics, I'd probably make my female cyborg look more like Kelly LeBrock instead of Mike Huckabee. 

585 Seems all one needed to know about this leadership picked RINO was to say her first name DD.  She wasn't just a D - Democrat, she's a DD -- Democrat's Democrat. 

586 Eh, in fairness, upon rereading, Lowry may have meant something else.  Hard to tell, honestly.

Qwinn

587 yesterdays Public Policy Poll shows Doug Hoffman up by 15.....

evidently 4% left with Scuzzyfuzzy

588 As long as NYC remains part of NY State, that's not changing.


As long as the rest of America uses NYC as a measure of all things Enlightened then schizophrenia is certain to follow.  For example; Independent Moderate life-long Democrat turned Republican turned Independent Bloom berg said he 'saved and created jobs'; how very moderate and independent of him.  Liberal Thompson has shown us there is a war going on between certain constituencies around this town nobody is talking about.

America, if you think you're going to find answers to difficult questions from anywhere in the NE quardrant you are wrong;  the NE is crazy fruit-loops.

There is a good reason why the real taxpayers are fleeing this crazy insane land for better ground; the insane asylum patients are in charge and the only cure for these insane people is misery and pain.

589 People are probably "ragging on ace" because he decided to lecture everyone about how they're bad people for supporting Hoffman instead of the "republican".  He may not have intended his posts and comments to come off as snarky bullshit, but that's how they came off.  He's taking heat for it now.

590

Wow, what a surprise (not)!  As I told the morons at the RNC and the NRCC, what do you gain by getting one more person with an "R" behind their name when you can't rely on them to be with you when the chips are down. 

So much for those jerk-offs telling us that a vote for Hoffman was a vote for Pelosi.  It looks like a vote for Scuzzyfuzzy would have been the real vote for another Democrat.

 

591

The "racial party purity" crap didn't help either, GMan. Although maybe the Nicorette was running out too?

592 Scozzafava, you might as well take that (R) after your name with you. You're not fooling anyone anymore.
Micheal Steele, you should be wanting that money you gave her back.
And maybe she's just too stupid to realize she's a democrat.

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