1 Unfortunately, Tennessee only has lethal injection.

2 One of the signs of my coming.

3

How about giving him a time out.

4 I never understood why death was such a bad thing.  After a few years in prison, a needle in the arm and a dirt nap seems the most compassionate to me.

5 I can't tell if you are "perplexed" by the opposition to the death penalty or by the justification for that opposition based on the argument that it is barbaric/uncivilized. 

6

This verdict makes me long for the Chinese system, where one can expect a verdict of death to be carried out in a week or two with a single bullet to the base of the skull.  Appeal, shmapeal. 

The Chinese have had a long time to learn how to keep the worst elements of the population under control.  They've gotten kind of good at it.

7 My only regret is that he can only die once.

8 this should have been tried as a hate crime.

9

Hang 'im high

10 AmishDude:
That's my point - if the execution comes as a relief, then it's not much of a punishment.

11

 

Hopefully Mr. Davidson will discover the joys of being of tortured and raped  many times before his date with destiny after the screws turn the lights out.

12 P.S. I'm partial to the Catherine-Wheel, myself.

13 We put down a dog, we abort babies, we encourage the elderly to "face death with dignity" (that is, we want them euthanized), but we quail at the thought of punishing the most heinous criminals, people who choose to place themselves outside society's bounds, with the only sanction that can guarantee they won't kill again...

WASF.

14 People claim the death penalty is not a deterrent.  My answer to them is it is not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.

15 I kinda look at crimes/punishment for them as buttoning up a shirt.  At the bottom level there is an appropriately lower placed button for the corresponding hole.  You speed?  You pay a fine.

Then comes the more serious ones - you rob someone's home?  You do a couple of years.  And on up - you assault someone?  You do more time, and in a more serious institution.

The big one - taking someone else's life in a premeditated or sadistic and cruel way - should receive the most awful punishment.  A life should be forfeit for a life.

It is not enough to give them life behind prison walls.  Without that ultimate penalty, justice is not complete.  It's a shirt without a top button for the hole.

16 He needs some quality time in the general population before retiring to death row.

17 14 People claim the death penalty is not a deterrent.  My answer to them is it is not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.

Posted by: MPFS Indentured Fish Stick to the State at October 30, 2009 07:25 PM (PBGAP)

Really? It deters the hell of them from doing it again, doesn't it?

18 14 People claim the death penalty is not a deterrent.  My answer to them is it is not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.

Posted by: MPFS Indentured Fish Stick to the State at October 30, 2009 07:25 PM (PBGAP)

Really? I'd say the guy who's been executed has been deterred pretty well from any more murders...

And life in prison is merely license to murder with no further possibility of punishment. What are they gonna do?

19

It'll be hard for the Left to "Mumia" or "Tookie" this piece of shit ...... they don't want this one out in any national way

I suggest a modification of Gerard Bakers' riff in "Law Abiding Citizen"

Raffle the right to play his character to any willing person. Retire the national debt. Sell the video. Institute that protocol as standard op for any future POS who considers acting out

 

 

20 Unclefacts, have I ever told you how wise and thoughtful and insightful you are?

21 I'm gonna make a hero outta that guy

22

 

I see a prolapse in Lemaricus's future.

23

Do you REMBER the MOVIE where they put a giant WALL around newyork city?

Thats what they should do with all these MURDERERS AND RAPISTS.

24 20 Unclefacts, have I ever told you how wise and thoughtful and insightful you are?

Posted by: XBradTC at October 30, 2009 07:28 PM (4TWIn)

I was just thinking that very same thought about yourself. Let the mutual admiration commence!

25 Tonight at midnight would be great for him to die - no words to describe this horrific crime. I saw a photo of the victims parents and I cried. This was not given much media attention outside of Knoxville that is all I have to say.

26 Those who say that the death penalty is not an effective deterrence should take into consideration that, 1) the murderer, after his/her execution, will certainly be deterred from killing anyone else, and 2) Nobody wants to get nabbed for a murder in Texas.

27 Lamaricus, meet the barbed cock of Satan

28 14 People claim the death penalty is not a deterrent.  My answer to them is it is not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.

Posted by: MPFS Indentured Fish Stick to the State at October 30, 2009 07:25 PM (PBGAP)

It'll deter Lemaricus Davidson from doing it again.

29

Unclefacts, have I ever told you how wise and thoughtful and insightful you are?

Posted by: XBradTC at October 30, 2009 07:28 PM (4TWIn)

I was just thinking that very same thought about yourself. Let the mutual admiration commence!

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and the Odd Meteor at October 30, 2009 07:29 PM (erIg9)

 

 

Get a room.

30 What I meant is the bleeding heart libs scream that the death penalty is not a deterrent for other criminals to not commit murder so why bother with execution.  What they don't understand is that this is the ultimate punishment by a jury for a crime an individual has committed.  It has nothing to do deterring someone from future criminal activity..

31

I don't know how they calculated it, but I saw a study a couple of years back that showed 18 lives were saved for each murderer put to death.

This Lamaricus Davidson guy??...I'd like to use him for target practice

32

Get a room.

Posted by: Miss Cleo at October 30, 2009 07:31 PM (AoS9J)

You're just pissed we thought it first blazer.

33 If I get a room, will you join us, Miss Cleo?

34 BTW, I believe in capital punishment.  Swift and painful.

35

Who's Lemaricus Davidson ?

36 Death's too good for him without torture first.

And none of that pansy waterboarding, either.

37 Putting someone is prison does not stop a murderer. There was a case in NY where a guard was killed by a "put away for life" POS.  Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.

38 He's bl;ack. RACISM!!!!!!

39 1 Unfortunately, Tennessee only has lethal injection.

Posted by: Star Witness at October 30, 2009 07:18 PM

Not a problem at all. Come see my movie and find out how we can make "lethal injection" into quite a painful show.

40

If God gave a shit about us, he'd have never sent shits like this guy and NotMyPresient down here in the first place.

He can have them back. If end up in hell, I'll their asses there, too.

41

Get a room.

Posted by: Miss Cleo at October 30, 2009 07:31 PM (AoS9J)

You're just pissed we thought it first blazer.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and the Odd Meteor at October 30, 2009 07:33 PM (erIg9)

33 If I get a room, will you join us, Miss Cleo?

Posted by: XBradTC at October 30, 2009 07:33 PM (4TWIn)

 

 

Only if you guys bring a keg and a hooker. Cocaine for extra credit.

Btw, XBrad, shut your whore mouth.

42

Susan Sarandumb and Tim Robbins named their sons Jack and Abbott, after the murderer who wrote In the Belly of the Beast.

He was championed by Norman Mailerand was the cause celebre of the left. Their support helped get him paroled. About a month later, he murdered someone else.

Someday soon, some Hollywood asshole will name their kids Lamaricus and Davdison

43 I'm not a fan of "Let's hope they get raped in prison/let's make the death gruesome and painful" stuff.

Just kill 'em. I've no problem with hanging, the electric chair, gas chamber, firing squad, guillotine, or lethal injection. Just kill 'em. But we debase ourselves when we lower ourselves to their level.

44

34 BTW, I believe in capital punishment.  Swift and painful

No..No...No...slow and painful

45 Btw, XBrad, shut your whore mouth.

Blazer, Imma gonna slap you so hard, your grandkids will be crosseyed. And named Lamaricus and Davdison

46 14 People claim the death penalty is not a deterrent. My answer to them is it is not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.

Posted by: MPFS Indentured Fish Stick to the State at October 30, 2009 07:25 PM

It's also a deterrent. Is the dead guy going to kill again? Nope. Therefore, successful deterrent. Now, whether or not it deters others from murdering matters not. What matters is making sure this particular piece of human waste does not commit their crime again. And killing them is a 100% guaranteed deterrent against that happening.

47 Then let the debasing begin. Read the transcripts from the trial and watch the videos of the interviews of these guys. Then see the victims parents faces. Better not say anything else.

48 In a philosophy class I took, those of us who believed in the death penalty asked if we would be the ones willing to give the injection/flip the switch or basically be the ones to deliver the punishment.

In this case my answer would be: Hell to the f_cking YES! Lethal injection is too good for this piece of scheisse. I like the electric chair. More fun and more messy.

49 * we WERE asked.

Jeez, brain's moving faster than fingers

50 13 We put down a dog, we abort babies, we encourage the elderly to "face death with dignity" (that is, we want them euthanized), but we quail at the thought of punishing the most heinous criminals, people who choose to place themselves outside society's bounds, with the only sanction that can guarantee they won't kill again...

WASF.

Posted by: XBradTC at October 30, 2009 07:24 PM

Yeah, when the so-called human rights people start petitioning the government to overturn Roe v Wade and to ban abortion, then I'll take them seriously.

But anyone who says that sticking a fork into a baby's skull, killing it and then vacuuming out the remains from the mother's womb -- and teaching women from the age of puberty that this is their constitutional right as a woman -- is a sign of a "civilized society", yet at the same time considers putting murderers to death a sign of an "uncivilized society"... can go f'ck themselves.

51

I'm not a fan of "Let's hope they get raped in prison/let's make the death gruesome and painful" stuff.

Just kill 'em. I've no problem with hanging, the electric chair, gas chamber, firing squad, guillotine, or lethal injection. Just kill 'em. But we debase ourselves when we lower ourselves to their level.

Posted by: XBradTC at October 30, 2009 07:41 PM (4TWIn)

 

I'm a big fan of shadenfreude. Eye for an eye I say. The needle and a long deep sleep is the easy way out. Rectal bleeding is justice in this case.

52 We are often told that the death penalty costs more than lifetime imprisonment due to the extra legal fees and such, as if money should be the only concern in these situations.
I say good things are worth paying extra for.

53 I am always perplexed by the notion that death is never an appropriate sentence.

That it's a sign of a lack of civilization.

I always wondered that, too. I don't see how it's uncivilized to get rid of the worst, most dangerous and barbaric elements of society. And what's even more ironic, the uncivilized argument comes from the very people who think it's ok to abort a child right before it's born. So killing murderers and rapists, bad; killing unborn babies, good. Yeah, that sounds civilized to me. /sarc

54

Btw, XBrad, shut your whore mouth.

Blazer, Imma gonna slap you so hard, your grandkids will be crosseyed. And named Lamaricus and Davdison

Posted by: XBradTC at October 30, 2009 07:43 PM (4TWIn)

 

Whats wrong with Lemaricus and Davidson ?

Waacist !

55 Maybe he can be Obummer's Torture Czar.

56

I once heard a libtard make the argument that the death penalty is barbaric...and  besides, life w/o parole would be a worse punishment for them because they would have to live with the guilt for what they had done ..

*BLINK*...so giving them a worse sentence is better for them?

 

57 Eh, I'm anti-death penalty, but not out of sympathy for murderers.  I mainly just don't want the state to have that power.

58

The death penalty only costs so much because the of the pussies who protest it.

Its as if a bunch of people spent all their time and resources preventing ploice cars from leaving the police station, and then said: "Well, it costs more to get them out that they're actually worth; therefore, we shouldn't have police in cars."

Or we could just shoot the protestors. Two problems solved.

59

Help put a Conservative/pitbull in Pelosi's back yard.

Harmerforcongress.com

He can win the special election in California's 10th district.  Not much time left.  Throw him a bone.

60 We are often told that the death penalty costs more than lifetime imprisonment due to the extra legal fees and such, as if money should be the only concern in these situations.
I say good things are worth paying extra for.

That's only because of the years of appeals death row convicts get. They end up pretty much sitting in prison like a life without parole sentence because they file appeal after appeal. The whole country should be more like Texas, which is much more efficient. Unfortunately, it's more like California, where Tookie Williams sat on death row for 20 years before the finally got executed. Death row inmates should be executed within 3 years.

61 Btw, XBrad, shut your whore mouth.

Blazer, Imma gonna slap you so hard, your grandkids will be crosseyed. And named Lamaricus and Davdison

Uh oh.  Cat fight.

62 Whatever they do to him he's going to wish he was sent to Guantanamo.

63 life w/o parole would be a worse punishment for them because they would have to live with the guilt for what they had done ..

Guilt? These people feel no guilt. They have no consciences. Libtards would see the good in a murderer even if said murderer killed a liberal's family member in front of them.

64

People claim the death penalty is not a deterrent.  My answer to them is it is not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.

 

Actually, it is a deterrent. The LEFT which is in favor of killing as many old people and babies as possible, runs around saying its not a deterrent but it is. In fact, it is a major deterrent. Besides if life in prison was just as bad, why do the criminals try to get that instead of the death penalty.

Good riddance.

65

Liberals think everyone thinks and feels like them---especially murderers like Jack Abbott and Mumia---except conservatives, who are evil racists like in the movies who want to prevent liberals from killing babies.

Makes your head spin.

66 "I once heard a libtard make the argument that the death penalty is barbaric...and  besides, life w/o parole would be a worse punishment for them because they would have to live with the guilt for what they had done .."

Libtards assume that murderers have consciences and will feel "remorse".  That's a huge stupid-ass mistake.  Liberals think that everyone is basically good and has good intentions.  They are naiive children believing that all is wonderful and good, as long as the world is being run by relativists and nannies.

67 Virginia's gonna kill Mohammad the sniper next month. I need to see if its lethal injection or if I should conserve electricity---there is a reason for me to be "green".

68 @67 And it's going to be on my birthday - Nov 10.  And the birthday of the USMC.  We're probably both not going to miss any sleep over this. 

69 Interesting how you are all against "torture" and won't even call it that unless the victim is white and the perpetrator isn't Dick Cheney.

70 Soon he'll be up for next year's Nobel Peace Prize

71 57 Eh, I'm anti-death penalty, but not out of sympathy for murderers.  I mainly just don't want the state to have that power.

Posted by: sandy burger at October 30, 2009 07:50 PM (MT+0i)

Sandy, I'm not philosophically opposed to the state having that power. But I certainly am concerned with the practical application of it. There is a tension between ensuring that the ultimate sanction is available, and making sure the state doesn't capriciously apply it or violate the rights of the innocent (see the Duke fake rape allegation)

72 Death sentence. Too goddamned expensive.

Do away with interminable appeals, and I'll support it. Until then, I can't support paying over $1M per blown fuse.

Sorry, survivors--I can't subsidize your vengeance. Make it economical, and I'm on board.

73

"Interesting how you are all against "torture" and won't even call it that unless the victim is white and the perpetrator isn't Dick Cheney."

I honestly don't remember the last time I saw that much stupid concentrated in such a short statement.

74 68 Well, happy birthday to you. That's my squishy brother-in-laws birthday too. He's getting more conservative lately---after eons (he's 64) of libtardism, he is starting to flip---and it started with "press 1 for english".

75

I honestly don't remember the last time I saw that much stupid concentrated in such a short statement.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at October 30, 2009 08:12 PM (ZTGFz)

There's a lot of pent up idiocy that hasn't had an outlet recently.

76 69 Interesting how you are all against "torture" and won't even call it that unless the victim is white and the perpetrator isn't Dick Cheney.

Posted by: palin steele at October 30, 2009 08:02 PM (gaduG)

please, for the love of god, tell me my favorite punching bag is back...

77 73 Did chicken fucker's statement make any sense at all even to the chicken?

78 The death penalty is the only remedy that a just society has to demonstrate its respect for life.

79 "I hate the electric chair. Because electricity goes through there and electricity costs money, tax payers money! My $50! There are alot of cheap ways to kill someone. Like stabbing don't cost a damn thing. Get a stabbing chair!"

80

Palin Steele is back!

His hash isn't as fun this time. Have to see what can be done with this one.

81 @57
That is amongst my objections to it as well. 

82
Thank You Jury. Good job.
Palin Steele , Not.So.Much.

83

life w/o parole would be a worse punishment for them because they would have to live with the guilt for what they had done ..

Not aware of any sociopaths that experience guilt, but the prisons are loaded with cretins who delight in regaling their felon friends with tales of murder, rape, pillage, robbery, and other heinous crimes.

PS - They're all not guilty!

84

Interesting how you are all against "torture" and won't even call it that unless the victim is white and the perpetrator isn't Dick Cheney.

Posted by: palin steele at October 30, 2009 08:02 PM (gaduG)

 

 

Thats funny Dum-Dum,  I kinda thought the perps that drug that poor black man behind that pick-up truck in Texas causing his whole body to come apart deserved the same fate and I would've been more than happy to meter it out.

What ever drives your stereo-type douchenozzle, any port in a storm.

85
Interesting how you are all against "torture" and won't even call it that unless the victim is white and the perpetrator isn't Dick Cheney.

Posted by: palin steele at October 30, 2009 08:02 PM (gaduG)

It's a sock puppet in the fine tradition of Howdy Doody or Kukla, Fran and Ollie.

86

Blazer, can I borrow your phrase from above and redirect it, seriously this time, to palin? Thanks.

Palin, shut your whore mouth.

87

According to roughly a dozen recent studies, executions save lives. For each inmate put to death, the studies say, 3 to 18 murders are prevented.  NYT 11/18/2007

[I would love to post the link to this article, but after it being reject 4 times including while using tiny url, I give the fuck up.  Google it and you'll find it. ]

88 Link for NYT story above.

89 Thank you! What makes you so special that you can post links and I can't?

90 Of course it saves lives, any idea with the recitivism rate is? Something like 92%

91 Besides getting a street named after them in Paris, they get a bunch of fat european women fighting over them and all claiming to be mr. death row's fiance, which is fwench for doormat.

92 My favorite line is: ANOTHER INNOCENT MAN TEXECUTED!

93

People claim the death penalty is not a deterrent.  My answer to them is it is not meant to be a deterrent it is meant to be a punishment.

It might not be a deterrant, other than a way to get people to plead to life without going to trial, but I really don't care. I'm for the death penalty because it kills evil pieces of shit like these animals. I'd be just fine if the deed was done by a fat guy wearing a black hood and using a giant ax.

And didn't Dummy get banned? We have to suffer more of his insipid brain flatulence again? Shit.

94 This may be a dumb question, but should it matter how heinous a murder is in determining whether the death penalty is applicable (I'm not talking about the type, but the actual execution of it)?

95

 

Lemaricus, How My Ass Taste ?

96

Unclefacts, have I ever told you how wise and thoughtful and insightful you are?

Posted by: XBradTC at October 30, 2009 07:28 PM (4TWIn)

I was just thinking that very same thought about yourself. Let the mutual admiration commence!

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and the Odd Meteor at October 30, 2009 07:29 PM (erIg9)

Aw, jeez. Are you guys going to have sex with each others' butts again?

97 Prison guard unions (mostly SEIU affiliates) want to see more "life without parole" sentences and want to see death sentences drag out as long as possible.  The prisoner to guard ratio is more favorable for the union at a facility that must house murderers until they die of natural causes.

If you execute more of them and execute them faster, you don't need as many prisons or guards.

98 Aw, jeez. Are you guys going to have sex with each others' butts again?

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 30, 2009 08:51 PM (eR37w)

You and blazer both seem to be hoping for some kind of sweaty man sex. What is up with that?

99

Can't seem to find any mention of this on CNN, can't figure out why.They do have pictures of the two white guys who drew masks on their faces with Sharpies on the Justice page.

Has Eric Holder disclosed the race of the gang rape victim in Richmond, CA yet?

100

Has Eric Holder disclosed the race of the gang rape victim in Richmond, CA yet?

Posted by: Barry Hussein at October 30, 2009 09:01 PM (3PqHz)

I'm waiting for him to step in and give them the Black Panther Treatment.

101

Some would argue that my practice of Christianity should preclude favoring the death penalty, but I figure if 'Christians' can be in favor of abortion, I can be in favor of the death penalty.  I would make allowances for Christian compassion by not going out of my way to make it a painful death, but neither would I go out of my way to make it pleasant.  I'm personally not in it for the punishment or revenge, I'm in it for making sure they don't do it anymore. 

102

You and blazer both seem to be hoping for some kind of sweaty man sex. What is up with that?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Bacons, and the Odd Meteor at October 30, 2009 08:58 PM (erIg9)

 

Dont worry, we'll need a pivot man, Oh Summoner Of Meat.

103 If you know of Christians that believe in abortion, they need to do some serious talking with the Lord.  The death penalty is in scripture,l however.

104 Okay, minor point for non-Christians, I know, but let me just retract that 'Christian' snark.  Dang it, there's ONE judgement I'm not supposed to make about people, and I step right in it.  Fuck.

105 A good friend of mine who went to high school in Memphis introduced a bill in the Tennessee Youth Legislature switching Tennessee's method of execution back to hanging. His rationale was economic. Ropes and tree limbs are reusable (and environmentally friendly) and Boy Scouts could tie the nooses for merit badges. The bill died in committee.

The next year he pushed for a declaration of war on North Carolina. He said Tennessee needed an ocean coast and could capture two much better college basketball programs.

Jim's kinda weird, but he has good ideas.

I am so happy this piece of shit got the death penalty. But his POS brother gets to spend the next forty or fifty years hiding from the Aryan Brotherhood. They won't keep him in protective isolation forever, y'know.

106 This is the best way and fastest way to start and IV:

http://tinyurl.com/yj3uub6

I want my own to use around the house.

107

http://tinyurl.com/yj3uub6 

 

108 #107, intra-OSSEOUS? Damn!

When I was really in practice, I could hit an arm or leg vein even under night vision goggles. Sticking people is a perishable skill, but I've still got a pretty decent trauma bag in the truck.

109 any idea with the recidivism rate is?

Once they been fried and planted, it drops vanishingly close to zero.  There's the rare exceptions for maniac etherial/paranormal serial killer resurrections and such of course, but they're statistically insignificant outside Hollywood.

110

What "civilized" way is there to punish this barbarity?

Good question.

What civilized punishment is appropriate for the people who tortured Fouad Al-Rabiah, who was declared innocent (after being torutured into confessing) by a US judge?

 

hmmm...fascinating question.

111 I'm not wasting any time debating the ethics of the death penalty.  But I would like to know why Davidson's half brother, tried back in August, got life without parole.  The victims' parents were very upset at the sentence.  Why the difference here?  Anyone know?

112

105 Sgt. Dan, your friend seems like my kinda reprobate; this is the sort of stuff my pals and I used to think up for speech class.

Maybe PS would like one of my liberal friend's alternative to the death penalty (she's against the death penalty because she's a proclaimed liberal hippie chick and says "due to her political stance she has to side against it") here it is:

no death penalty (because in liberal land, that's very bad and uncivilized), just throw all murderer's, rapists, and child molesters into a very deep, unlighted, slimy, cold pit where they are forced to ekk out a harsh existence on bread and water, never seeing the light of day again (kind of a Black Hole of Calcutta Part Deux is what she was driving at I think); she also thought people found guilty of drug dealing to minorscharges or animal cruelty should be put in a mini BHC for a few weeks and given a warning that if they got paroled and went back to it again they'd get the real pit the next time

I told her I thought that she just might be a closet hard right conservative (and then she laughed and flipped me off), but she might have been on to something with this idea.

So, what say you PS?  One of your sisters in the movement did indeed come up with that idea...and there is no death penalty or any outright harm done to the criminal...

113 Age of Conan CD Key, plus free airport restroom blow job with every purchase!
http://www.blowjobexpress.com

114 I am a little surprised that his brother didn't get the death penalty as well but reading the accounts of what happened this guy was definitely the instigator.  Don't read the interrogation transcripts if you want to sleep at night.

I wonder if any studies have been done on how much more likely accomplices are to confess to avoid the death penalty?  There were several people in that house at various times and when the death penalty is hanging over their heads it tends to focus the mind and refresh the memory.  The ringleader normally gets ratted out fast.

115 Reason, do you have to pollute this thread with your bullshit? I promise, we'll start something political you can drop your lefty lunacy all over.

Fouad is still walking around in remarkable health. I think. He wasn't raped, dismembered, and thrown in a trash can. And except for a one line mention, I can't even find an allegation of genuine torture except on HuffPo. You're comparing apples and parakeets.

116 #114

Maybe I'm not thinking about this the right way, but it just doesn't sit right with me that with the double torture-murder, only one guy did enough to get the death penalty.  I don't think the two yet to be tried are likely to get it. 

117 Express ... Ride ... to ... Hell

Soonest, as in move him to the front of the line.

118

@115 Sgt. Dan

"Reason, do you have to pollute this thread with your bullshit?"

Yes, I am afraid I do; as long as there are people huffing and puffing about the "rule of law" when it comes to street criminals, but winking and nodding when it comes to crimes committed by our own government (crimes proven in court, by the way) then yes, I am forced to point out the absurdity.

I can't get the link to work, but google andy worthington and fouad al rabiah, and there is a link to the actual decision by Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly bluntly stating that the government tortured a man into making false confessions, then tried to cover it up.

Not allegations, not rumor or hearsay, but proven in a court of law.

You can get angry at me for pointing it out, but it doesn't change the fact that our government committed a crime, and no one was held accountable.

119 Yes, I am afraid I do; as long as there are people huffing and puffing about the "rule of law" when it comes to street criminals, but winking and nodding when it comes to crimes committed by our own government (crimes proven in court, by the way) then yes, I am forced to point out the absurdity.
Really? You want to compare the use of coercive force on a man (perhaps innocent) in the course of  a war to the rape, castration, torture and murder of both members of a young couple done out of sheer malice?
None dare call it "Reason".

120 then yes, I am forced to point out the absurdity..

Posted by: Reason60 at October 30, 2009 10:13 PM (ogXbt)

Forced by what; the little voice in your head that forces you to act like a smug douche online if not in real life?  Is the little voice Reason61?  Nobody cares about your absurd little comparison of how some twat judge uses the same term to describe some minor inconvenience to some prick who's walking around now with two people that were tortured and murdered.  If you don't understand the difference then you're dumber than the usual troll.

121 there is a link to the actual decision by Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly bluntly stating that the government tortured a man into making false confessions, then tried to cover it up.

This one?

http://tinyurl.com/yedho7k

122
110

What "civilized" way is there to punish this barbarity?

Good question.

What civilized punishment is appropriate for the people who tortured Fouad Al-Rabiah, who was declared innocent (after being torutured into confessing) by a US judge?

 

hmmm...fascinating question.

Posted by: Reason60

I am not familiar with either case - An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, after all appeals are exhausted - in both cases.

123 'Cause I can't find the allegations of torture.

124 Maybe they're in the redacted portions.

125

Reason60:

"Not allegations, not rumor or hearsay, but proven in a court of law."

But the short version of Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly�fs ruling (from firedoglake.com):

"Al Rabiah�fs uncorroborated confessions are not reliable or credible, and that the Government has failed to provide the Court with sufficiently credible and reliable evidence to meet its burden of persuasion. If there exists a basis for Al Rabiah�fs indefinite detention, it most certainly has not been presented to this Court."

This doesn�ft read like "proven in a court of law", rather it reads like "failed to provide the Court with sufficiently credible and reliable evidence", i.e. K-K simply wanted more, and those fighting terrorists couldn�ft meet the burden of proof. But perhaps you have a better link.

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Reason60: "You can get angry at me for pointing it out, but it doesn't change the fact that our government committed a crime, and no one was held accountable."

To follow your red herring, if we are to discuss government crimes, shall we discuss the actions of, say, the current crop of Iranian mullahs, or Mugabe, and how none of these government officials are being prosecuted?

But, rather than waste time, how do these crimes, or any other crimes, excuse the acts of Davidson? What is the link?

What crimes were Davidson's victims accused of?

What amount of proof would�fve caused Davidson and Co. to stop their rape and dismemberment?

Who was Davisdon to "try" them. or anyone for that matter?

At least try to demonstrate the moral equlvalency.

126 III. CONCLUSION
Because the Government has not met its burden by a preponderance of the evidence, the Court shall GRANT Al Rabiah's petition for habeas corpus. The Court shall issue an Order requiring the Government to take all necessary and appropriate steps to facilitate AI Rabiah's release forthwith. Date: September 17,2009


Crushing determination of government coverup that.

127

What civilized punishment is appropriate for the people who tortured made mean faces at Fouad Al-Rabiah, who was declared innocent (after being torutured into confessing) by a US judge?

 FIFY

Sleep deprivation is not torture and I don't give a hhit what some pussy judge says.

128 So Reason60 is a douche and a liar?  Wow, I didn't see that one coming.

What is it with trolls making shit up?  Is it a lack of reading comprehension on their part or do they read a bit of made-up garbage at Kos or HuffPoo from one of their fellow idiots and feel the need to run with the nonsense and make complete fools out of themselves at sites where people actually investigate things?

129

Reason60 at October 30, 2009 10:13 PM (ogXbt)

You're full of shit. The topic is the death penalty. Stop trying to hijack the thread. 

130
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there is a link to the actual decision by Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly bluntly stating that the government tortured a man into making false confessions, then tried to cover it up.

This one?

http://tinyurl.com/yedho7k
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Ex. 101 at 1-8 (34-52 Army Field Manual) (prohibiting "[t]hreatening or implying physical or mental torture to the subject" and "[t]hreatening or implying that other rights guaranteed by the [the Geneva Conventions] will not be provided unless cooperation is forthcoming").ÿ (p 43)
With respect to his claims of abuse, Al Rabiah did not inform his Personal Representative that he had been threatened with rendition or torture, or that he had been placed in a cell relocation program, although the evidence in the record clearly reflects that both occurred. (p.53)

(and another on p. 58 in the same vein)


In all my two score and 5 years, I have NEVER heard of such barbarity as threatening another human being with calculated physical harm aka TORTURE.

Yup, the murderers of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom and those who made poor man soil his panties are on the same moral plain.

131

In a philosophy class I took, those of us who believed in the death penalty asked if we would be the ones willing to give the injection/flip the switch or basically be the ones to deliver the punishment.

In this case my answer would be: Hell to the f_cking YES! Lethal injection is too good for this piece of scheisse. I like the electric chair. More fun and more messy.

I would gladly pay $500 for the privilege of putting the spike in this bastard and opening the valve. I suspect Tennessee would be able to damn near balance their state budget if they took these bastards to Neyland Stadium and charged $50 per shot for people to loose off a round at one of the five scumbags.

Mercy? Not for this bunch, not under any circumstances. I want them all dead, as painfully as can be managed, and I'd like to see it be televised on every channel, live. The next stupid bastards who think it would be good to rob, rape and kill might be watching and be deterred. I hope the rest of them who haven't been tried get the spike, and that the one who didn't gets shanked in prison. A lynch mob for this bunch of soulless killers would have been perfectly appropriate.

Between these scum and Obama, race relations have been set back 100 years.

 

132 I would gladly pay $500 for the privilege of putting the spike in this bastard and opening the valve..

I'd give full restitution (do unto others..) as a very solumn civic duty.

133 Well, I know for a fact that the city of Knoxville has killed innocent kitties and puppies so everyone in Knoxville is just as guilty of torture and murder as Mr Davidson. So of course he shouldn't go to jail or die. Be free Lamaricus, Be free!!!!

And if you disagree with me you are worse than Hitler.

134

What "civilized" way is there to punish this barbarity?

Many years ago I was knocked out from a fall.  I remember that there was no pain whatsoever; it was like being in a windowless room and turning out the lights.  Probably the most humane way to execute someone is with a large caliber bullet to the head or a baseball bat.  Somehow we think that a "clean" death is quick.  Those people who can tell us what it is like ain't talking. 

135 Death Row in Tennessee looks 10x nicer than my college dorm.

136 succinylcholine
let the bastard suffocate while fully paralyzed and conscious
perhaps a draino cocktail beforehand.

Or maybe murderers should just be put to death in the same manner that they killed.

137

@114 has it right.

 

The example I like to use is Gary Ridgway (aka The Green River Killer).  He killed ~ 90 women.  They were only able to get forensic evidence linking him to 4 cases because he took specific precautions.  For example, he would pick up used gum and cigarrette butts and leave them at the scene of the crime to confuse DNA evidence.  King County was going to have a hell of a time trying him.  He had to be kept in an undisclosed location, he had to wear a vest in transit, they were going to have to close the courthouse, etc. etc.  For a case that would have taken a year.  Then some candy-ass liberal punk lawyer would have gotten at least one of the convictions thrown on some technicality, or the shenanigans he pulled would have raised "reasonable doubt", which means if they _really_ wanted to get him they'd have to do it several times to make it stick (figure 2 or 3 cases to get a conviction, plus an appeal to the state and then to the feds, and on and on).

In the mean time, the prosecutor can waltz in and say, "Gary, I know you did it.  You know you did it.  It might take 15 years, but I'm going have them stick a needle in your arm.  Cop now and I'll give you life without parole."  And Gary, knowing sure as sin that he was guilty, knew that in the end, they were either going to get him or some family member was going to get through security and pop a cap in his ass.  So he takes the deal and winds up saving shit-tons of money.

It's not a deterrent in the sense that otherwise rational people stop just shy of murder thinking they'll get the chair -- it's a deterrent to having these asshats clog the justice system with self-congratulatory legal masturbation:  They did it, they know it, they accept life as the better alternative than a long trial and then a hanging.

As to the assertion that we shouldn't do it because it's so expensive, well, it's pretty damn cheap to shoot someone in the neck -- perhaps we should mandate that as the on-the-spot penalty for crimes worse than jaywalking.  Think of all the money we'd save!

138 I'm a fan of not quite enough electric chair.

Hold still there Lemarcus...here it comes!ZZZZZZZT!!
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Death by The Gimp would be good too.

139 The languishing on Death Row thing is such a crock of shit. Back when us Brits still had a full nutsack, a capital verdict went to an immediate appeal, with all the gravitas and due process that that entails, and if the verdict were not overturned, they put you back in your cell, left you overnight to stew, and hanged the fuck out of you the next day.

140 The Chinese don't use the bullet trick that much. Now they do tissue typing and a van drives you outside the hospital where your organs are harvested while you are still alive. A bullet would be better by comparison. I think the whole group should be outsourced to China. That's one outsourcing I wouldn't mind.

141 I don't particularly like the state having death power, but the biggest problem with getting rid of the death penalty is that once we do that, we'll start to hear about how "inhumane" it is to keep someone locked up in a cage for "life".

The libs will thereby keep rolling back and rolling back criminal punishment until it pretty much resembles their efforts at diplomacy ("raped, tortured and killed two people? Go stand in the corner until you can tell me what you did. Bad boy. Ok, you're not a bad boy, we're sorry, here's a cookie."). 

142 These murderers do NOT "live with the guilt" when spared the DP. They get to replay the whole crime over and over again like a fucking snuff film. See: Speck, Richard.

Kill them and leave their heads to rot on a pike outside of the prison.

143 What civilized punishment is appropriate for the people who tortured Fouad Al-Rabiah, who was declared innocent (after being torutured into confessing) by a US judge?

IMO, there's too much redacted in that finding to determine anything about actual innocence or guilt.  A judge ruling you innocent doesn't mean you are in fact innocent any more than a jury finding of guilty means one actually did the crime.  A ruling is just a ruling, not a declaration of physical fact.  Guilty people are set free all the time, just as innocent ones occasionally get swept up in error (or malice if someone is looking for a scapegoat).

That being said, I've always believed that demonstrable and intentional law enforcement/prosecutorial/judicial  misconduct should be a capital offense.  If you frame someone, fabricate evidence, omit definitive exculpatory evidence during discovery, etc, etc. that you have violated a sacred public trust that's even more sacred than the life of any one individual and you are not entitled to breath my freaking air anymore.   If you're not willing to play it straight 100% of the time, don't take those jobs.  Period. 

I'd also need to see some hard evidence of said torture.  I don't consider smacking someone around a bit torture.  A power drill to the hand or knee cap?  That's torture.  Busting knee caps with pipes?  That's torture.  Extracting teeth with a pair of pump pliers?  That's torture.  Breaking bones?  That's torture.

If its something no worse than our pilots endure at SERE training, as far as I'm concerned its not "torture".

144 This is an OUTRAGE!!!

How dare those racist, wingnut, redneck, inbreds in the backwater apartheid state of Tennessee hold a black man accountable to the same standards that Caucasians are subject to!  How dare they!  This is just more proof that people of color will never be free until the white ruling class of AmeriKKKa is sent to the ovens!

He's African-American, get it?  He's African-American, not whitey-American!  To treat him like you would a white person, to judge him according to the content of his character instead of the color of his skin, is nothing but racism!  To then sentence him to the same penalty that a whitey-american would receive is even more sick and evil!  He must be set free!  He cannot be judged by whitey-law.  Who is whitey to judge what is right and wrong for a man of color?  That is nothing but inter-cultural imperialism! 

I'm not surprised that this is happening in Tennessee.  Have you SEEN the people who live there?  They're the poster children for false consciousness.  Most of them are Christians, which explains why they're so dirty and ignorant.  The world will be a better place when it is rid of these nasty little people who don't know what's good for them.  Worst of all, you can't find vegan food anywhere!


(I am being sarcastic, just in case anyone has any doubts)

145 @13

WORD!!

146

I like the electric chair. More fun and more messy.

Posted by: wherestherum at October 30, 2009 07:45 PM (GZnia)

Plus the added indignity of having their head/facial hair shaved off before the juice flows.  I also think any diapers worn should be visible.  Make their deaths as undignified as possible.

But the best method, for you Chinese-method fans, was the Russian one.  The people on death row never knew when their date was.  When the cell door opened, they never knew if it was for them to go to a shower, to be fed, or to be taken out to be executed.  Their executions were simple.  The prisoner was tied to a fence, and a bullet put into the back of their skulls.  So the death was quick, but the waiting was quite tortuous, and I have no problem with that.  If they die of a heart attack before their date, saves the cost of a bullet.

147 15-18000 Americans are murdered each year mostly by people who would self identify as christians. As long as the defendant tells jesus he is sorry his sins will be forgiven and he can be welcomed into heaven after his time on earth is over.

148

As long as the defendant tells jesus he is sorry his sins will be forgiven and he can be welcomed into heaven after his time on earth is over.

Posted by: John ryan at October 31, 2009 10:05 AM (m0Q2u)

That's all well and good, but that doesn't mean we can't help "the defendent . . . into heaven" a little quicker.  Should make the asshole happy, so, really, they should drop their appeals and volunteer to meet Jesus as soon as possible.  That's a win/win for all concerned.

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150 The death penalty is a great specific deterent, or what Unclefacts said. 

But some argue it's not an effective general deterrent.  Which can't be true in every case, but is certainly true in others.  Those who deliberate before the crime might consider the possible punishment, versus those who are acting out of anger or sudden malice who are less likely.

Saved you some money on crim pro or crim law tuition there.  

IMO, crimes like this deserve the death penalty.  Torture-rape-murders scream out for it. 

151 Davidson's attorneys argued that Davidson was abused as a child, absentee parents, basically a product of his environment. Now his environment is going to consist of being housed with other social miscreants, rapists and murderers, etc.

By declaring Davidson a helpless pawn to his surroundings, the defense makes the best case for execution, that is to say that Davidson will never be redeemed or reformed.

152 Too bad. Obama administration lost a potential rape czar.

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