1

what the point slu?

we're screwed, or they vastly over sampled democrats?

2 Screw the dems and their 2,000 page unconstitutional crap sandwich.

Time to sharpen the pitchforks and ready the torches.

3 hmmmmmm

4 And what's the point of asking within 24 hours of a 1900-page bill coming out? Hell, the Ds can't even agree on what kind of public option they want.

5 we're screwed, or they vastly over sampled democrats?

Given that they didn't report the party affiliation of those sampled, I'm guessing it's the latter, in a big way.

6

Wow, we could use these guys!

7 Two nations. With not much other than borders and language in common.

8 What's a public option? Never heard of it.

9 What exactly do they mean by public option.  Will it raise my taxes?  Will it get me better coverage?  Less coverage?  What?

10

I thought everyone had pretty much figured out that any poll with the name of a network in it was trash. All the rest except Ras are pretty much worthless as well.

11
There are no such things as coincidences, especially in politically.

12 Criticizing the National Health Service is racist because it has provided employment opportunities to all manner of minorities.

13

A question for the posters at AoSHQ.

 

In my entire life I've never met anyone, ever, who has participated in a poll. I've never participated in a poll

Have any of you ever been contact for a poll? Ever?

14 In other results from the same poll.....43% replied that Harry Reid is hawt!, another 52% think Michelle is the best dressed first lady ever, and a surprising 47% want Meghan McCain to be the next Playboy centerfold (Dem women at 65%).

15

In my entire life I've never met anyone, ever, who has participated in a poll. I've never participated in a poll

Have any of you ever been contact for a poll? Ever?

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at October 30, 2009 10:08 AM (wuv1c)

I love poles. Your really missing out, guy.

16

Meghan McCain to be the next Playboy

I wouldn't mind that

17

13, I've been called but I don't answer numbers I don't recognize on the Caller ID.

The ones that called me had an automated lead-in that started talking to the answering machine.

 

18 Yea, I get called by Rasmussen every once in a while. I don't know how they got my info.

19
I know it's Halloween, but it isn't cool when Democrat operatives run around masquerading as serious journalists.

And when is Scozzafave gonna stop masquerading as a Republican?

20 Have any of you ever been contact for a poll? Ever?

Only state polls.

21 I was against passing that bill before I was for killing it.

22 Yes, I've participated in two polls. Once during the 1992 Presidential election and once last year.  I've also been push-polled once during 2000 election.

23 Thank goodness for the WaPo/ABC polling unit, or we never would have known that voters who intend to vote Democrat are supportive of Democrat policies.

...and only barely.

24 #13  I have asked the same question here on AoS many times myself.   Silence every time.  I would like to know Who, What ,Where, When, and Why.  It is a deep dark secret how they get these numbers.  What do the politicans do for real reliable numbers?

25

I'm not sure I would participate if they ever got through my screening either.

I hate polls. Particularly about policy because it doesn't matter what the majority wants. It matters what The Constitution allows.

26

Glenn Beck is reading the Tell Tale Heart.

 This is probably my favorite show of his every year.

27

I know it's Halloween, but it isn't cool when Democrat operatives run around masquerading as serious journalists

All your candy r belong to us.

28 oops sock puppet off

29 I've been called a few times. I always hang up on them, since I know it's going to be spun no matter what I say.

Exception: I'd talk to Rasmussen if they called me, but they never have.

30 I do love how the poll responders are supposed to have informed opinions about a 2.2 million a word monstrosity.

31

Hitch   candy,

^{_{It's Pie, gimme my piece or else}}.

32 I get poled nightly.

33 er, Hutch even.

34 oops sock puppet off

Random sock puppet misfires are fun!

35

i was polled once, by the state, 3 weeks after i moved to this state.

i don't think they liked my answers as i was never polled again.

36 They are just factoring in the ACORN buses.

37 Two nations. With not much other than borders and language in common.

We don't have language in common anymore.  They've changed the meanings of too many words.  Oppression, racism, Nazi, equality, all mean something very different to them than to us.

38 What exactly do they mean by public option.  Will it raise my taxes?  Will it get me better coverage?  Less coverage?  What?

Doesn't matter.  What matters is the masses believe "public option" means "free for me."

39 37, good point.

40 Tapper is defending his pollster again.  The problem is still the same.  Ask the same question two different ways, one with "should the government give/provide a competitive insurance option" and one with "should the government run a taxpayer funded insurance program".

Furthermore, ask the people this.

"Do you want to pay taxes today for programs that will not be available until 2013?"

41 Look, when the question basically leads towards "Do you want free stuff"?  It's going to poll positively.

Change that to "Want your taxes to go up and local business to be hobbled by onerous regulations and fees for something 92% of you already have"?  The numbers might shift a bit.

42

Have any of you ever been contact for a poll? Ever?

Once, in my whole life.

Over the phone, at work. No names. No demographics or party affiliations. Just 10 'issues' questions.

I think I told them I wanted to nuke Iraq and they never called back again.

I also said that when we were done with Iraq I wanted a rematch and nuke Vietnam.

43 Actually, I've been polled several times, but they all internal polls for the RNC.

You write one check to your College Republicans chapter 6 years ago and you stay on the mailing list forever, apparently.

44 public option= commin out of Obama's stash.

45 "they were all"

46 Gallup, Rasmussen, Zogby: what other pollsters are asking the two "public option" questions with the two wordings?

It's way too easy to correct for the polling bias.  Not asking it at this point is just dishonest.

47 The poll sample was 1005 likely ABC employees, I believe.

48

the poll question likely is asked  in this way;

"is it Fair or Just that "im gonna die" kids, aren't treated and Saved, btw some secret money tree that Obama owns will pay for it all, you'll never ever have to worry about the children again"

49 These idiot pollsters must believe we all share their "stupid" gene. No lie or obfuscation is too big for the left.

50
What's next from Levi Johnston? He seems to be upping the ante everytime he's on TV.

I'm guessing he'll say he overheard Gov Palin talking about nuking Russia if Alaska had nuclear weapons.

51

http://tinyurl.com/6kpudc

52

nuking Russia

Put me down as don't know/undecided.

53

White house says they created 650000 jobs and it only cost a trillion so quit bitching

 

54

What's next from Levi Johnston? He seems to be upping the ante everytime he's on TV.

I'm guessing he'll say he overheard Gov Palin talking about nuking Russia if Alaska had nuclear weapons.

they do have nuclear weapons don't they?

55 I don't trust any poll in which only 6 percent say "neither".

56 Damn, they just changed the number to 1,000,000 saved jobs

57

I also said that when we were done with Iraq I wanted a rematch and nuke Vietnam.

 

They would not be expecting it at all. I like your thinking.

58 Damn, they just changed the number to 1,000,000 saved jobs

May as well claim credit for everyone who hasn't been laid off yet.

59 Damn, they just changed the number to 1,000,000 saved jobs

Posted by: VELVET AMBITION at October 30, 2009 10:41 AM (xLMtq)

I guarantee you if even remotely true, 99.9 percent of those were federal or state government jobs and not free market.

60

i don't have a land line at home, so maybe that is why pollsters don't call me. I get that flyer from the RNC  which is a questionare they never read, they just want you money.

 

61 Pubic option? Sure, why not?

62 Why you gotta hate on the MSM all the time? You know they only have our best interests at heart.

Obey.

You must obey.

It will only hurt a little bit at first, but then, the numbness will kick in and nothing will matter anymore.

Obey.

63 OT: On Drudge, Leiberman is going to campaign for R's in 2010 and may not seek D seat in 2012.

64

Damn, they just changed the number to 1,000,000 saved jobs

by jobs that mean the Unexpectadly Self Employeed

65
Yes, Minister and Y, PM were pretty good shows.

Yeah, the brits have a leftward slant, but back in the 70's and 80's, the Brits weren't douchebags about politics, and they didn't hesitate for a moment to satirize their own Labour party.

The BBC sucks nowadays. Even the show Coupling throws in a lot of gratuitous Tory-bashing.

66  

Competitive Option !! Competitive Option !!

How many times do I have to say it before you peasants get it ?

67 How about this for a poll question:  Would you support a public option if it guaranteed to raise your taxes and provide coverage to illegal aliens? How would that poll? Let get some honesty in these polls.

68 Damn, they just changed the number to 1,000,000 saved jobs

I move pretty fast, don't I.

69 I got called in a Gallup poll once. I had the pollster laughing his ass off.  He asked if I had a favorable opinion of Dick Cheney and I asked if "Fuck Yes" was one of the options.

70

Thank goodness for you morons and Fox news. Otherwise 2/3 of the country would be sitting at home thinking they were the only one who thought this healthcare thing was crazy.  Which is exactly why ABC put out this poll of mostly democrats - and failed to note that it was in fact a poll of mostly democrats. What a complete sell out by a so called News Organization . . .

71
I had the pollster laughing his ass off.

I was laughing because I was filling out the poll with the opposite responses from what you gave me, you rightwing nut.

Yeah, we pollsters fudge the surveys if we don't like the answers.

72 Really the only thing that could make the public option better is if they found a way to work in acorn funding

73 I think that PC training has succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.  So, if someone calls you, you know the PC answer.   Even if you don't agree with it you are going to give the PC answer.   Why?  Well because if they have your phone number they know who you are and people are terribly fearful these days.

74 @ 13 In my entire life I've never met anyone, ever, who has participated in a poll. I've never participated in a poll. Have any of you ever been contact for a poll? Ever?

I have never, personally. However, that question strikes me as another version of the Pauline Kael Gambit, referring to the New Yorker film critic who famously said, after the landslide victory of Nixon in 1972, essentially, "How could Nixon have won? I don't know anybody who voted for Nixon!"

In other words, while sampling and internals are both important factors to consider when evaluating the results of any poll, Statistics is indeed a viable method by which certain information can be gleaned and inferred. Just 'cuz any one of us personally hasn't participated in polling doesn't mean polling isn't worthwhile.

75 @ 74 Fucking sock puppets....

76 70

Thank goodness for you morons and Fox news. Otherwise 2/3 of the country would be sitting at home thinking they were the only one who thought this healthcare thing was crazy.  Which is exactly why ABC put out this poll of mostly democrats - and failed to note that it was in fact a poll of mostly democrats. What a complete sell out by a so called News Organization . . .

Posted by: joe at October 30, 2009 10:53 AM (YwBI6)

The whole thing reminds me of  Hollywood moonbat Pauline Kael who couldn't believe that Richard Nixon had been re-elected in 1972 because "...nobody I know voted for him!"  Liberals live in their own private world...

77 Posted by: John Grisham & Stephen King at October 30, 2009 10:58 AM (sOpAl)

Beat me by a minute! :-)

78

There's a major flaw in all of these "national poll" numbers, whether it's for congressional preference or whatever.

We do not elect Congressmen nationally - we elect them on a state by state basis.  If California and NY (huge population centers) report 80% in favor of the democrat position and the other 48 states show a 52 - 48 republican advantage, the national polls are going to show a mathematical advantage to the democrats even though 48 of the 50 states are against it. 

That's stating the position at its most extreme, but you get the point. Only state by state polls would have any meaning, but those are a) too expensive and b) wouldn't give the "correct" results, so they are not done.

79 #71  Gallup pollster
I kept asking so many ridiculous questions the guy eventually gave up and said "look I agree with you but I need the job for now"  At which time I stopped screwing around and answered his questions simply yes or no.

80 I listen to a lot of NPR, PBS, etc and the propaganda for the public option is relentless. I think every person that has ever had insurance canceled or lost a job after getting sick must have a publicist.

To listen to all their chatter, you would think you would have to step over the dying each morning on the way to work. I think this poll reflects that. most people think that we should take care of the uninsured and the Dems are selling the public option as the only solution to that problem.

This bill started out as a solution to the recession, then a solution to high costs, then a solution to the uninsured, and now it has settled as a solution to the hoards of dying sick that (a) are under 65 and ineligible for medicaid, (b) work and make enough money that they do not qualify for medicaid, (c) have not suffered a catastrophic problem which is covered by most state plans (d) do not have a chronic illness covered by medicaid, (e) are not illegal (wink wink) and (f) are not wealthy. These are the people (person?) dying in the streets and we must look to Stalin and Mao to solve this problem! The Progressives will pay any price to save that poor sick and dying soul.

81 Got called once back when CBS had Connie Chung and Dan Rather as co anchors . The poll was mostly about whether the Dems should re nominate Clinton for a second term . I gave straight answers except when they asked my religious leanings .
Told them I was a pagan green .
Strangely they called back the next night with another poll . I live in the rural south . To say a pagan green is an outlier in that demographic is something of an understatement , yet they called back for my opinion . Makes one wonder about polling in general and media polling , in particular .

82

74

I wasn't questioning the validity of polling in general. I was just curious. I live in Pennyslvania which is considered a swing state, even though it trends democrat, so you would think I or any of the people i knew would be polled on something, right?

 

83 @ 77 Beat me by a minute! :-)

Great minds, and all that jazz . . .

84 @ 82 I wasn't questioning the validity of polling in general. I was just curious.

Ah, I see. Your curiosity is understandable -- along those lines, I don't know of anyone who's been polled, either. I've simply met too many people who take that premise and then run with the "polls ain't legit" theme as a result, hence my somewhat reactionary response. ;^)

85

80 - Exactly and which is why we have bankruptcy laws. You discharge your castrastrophic illness debt and keep your house. . . The system is already set up to deal with this stuff. Imperfectly of course, but you GOTTA be KIDDIN me if you think the 1900 page monstrosity is going to lead to a perfect solution. Its gonna be a mongolian cluster frak.  If you really don't want people to lose their house - its a butt load cheaper an easier than this bill.  I will write the law right here:

Universal Homestead exemption:   In all 50 states and territories of the United States of America, the primary residence of an insolvent debtor shall be an exempt asset from bankruptcy in where at least 20% of the outstanding debt of the debtor is due to medical expenses.

Hey look what I just did - I prevented anyone from losing thier house due to catastrophic medical bills - I didn't spend a dime, I didn't kill a forest, I didn't increase the debt, I didn't take over 1/6th of the U.S. economy and I didn't create a single death panel or add in away freaking way to the size of the Federal Goverment.  

See - its not a one page long. And I'm not an Ivy league grad either - just a stupid moron who went to state schools, and who clings bitterly to my bible, my wife and kids and a sense of right and wrong.  (Which is to say - VALUES)

Is there some sensible reason why the Republican's haven't countered with some this simple????

 

86

Let me guess, the sample was composed of 51% Democrats.  The median IQ of the sampled population was also 51.  Given 7 more years of this, 51% will also be the total tax rate.

Coincidentally, the purchasing power of an average week's wage will be $51, based on the value of the dollar in 1951. 

87 You can make this up.

88 I've run calling centers for polling before. If done properly, these polls can be truly random, with the folks at the phone never knowing who they are calling until they dial, and me the operator dumping phone numbers into a pool that are truly random minus those who had requested in the past to be removed.

But one thing that must be remembered when looking at any poll - who paid for it? When I did this along my road to now teaching how to design a quantitative political analysis, I was taught 2 basic things by the professor (who was one of 2 actual right wingers I had in college) - if you have a bad sample (which will happen at times if it's truly random and not stratified in any way) say so. Or, if the person paying for it wants it to look a certain way, make it do so in order to get paid again later.

I've ran random polls. I've stratified polls to get 'x'% of a certain type of  respondents. I've played with polls to find certain results to please those who paid for it. Always ask yourself who paid when looking at any poll.

89 that was me at 88... damn sockpuppet

90

I just sent for 'Health Care Bill for Dummies' book series. It only costs $100 in 5 easy payments of $19.95, + $20 S&H.

Looking forward to it, I may add.

91 As I've said before, They are just using polls to determine what order we go into the camps.

92 Follow up from 85  - add to that 0 interest loans from Govt up to 25,000 to cover castastrophic medical expenses -  to cover medical bills that are in that range.  Prove you have no insurance to cover bill, or that insurance will not pay remainder, provide the bills. Agree to pay back in 15 years. Fund it with a mandatory fee on malpractice case filings, and a tax on insurance policies. (see not playing favorites).

93 Joe,
I think if you scratch the surface of these "lost house due to illness" claims and you will find they lost the house because they could no longer work and could not afford the mortgage with only their medicaid benifits. They have insurance to cover that too, but there is no cure for someone that has assets they are unwilling to cover with insurance until after it is too late.

94 93 - whether it is directly due to bills or due to inability to work  - exempt the home from collection. Unless its unrelated to illness.  Thus need debt to be at least 20% medical or some trigger number. Erase best emo argument from Dems in covering uninsured.  If you do that you remove one leg of the chair they are standing on.

95 Look at those numbers. What a crazy random happenstance, huh?

Wha? I don't get it? What's your point?

Is this a math question? I was told there'd be not math.

96

I got one Leftard bint to reconsider the public option by simply reminding her of what competition looked like.

I said: "Remember those phone ads in the 90s? 'We'll pay you to switch'? Imagine if the 1500 or so health insurance companies in the US were all competing for your dollars. Think the gov't would ever do that?"

97 Look at those numbers. What a crazy random happenstance, huh?

Wha? I don't get it? What's your point?

Is this a math question? I was told there'd be not math.

98 Fifty one percent liberal leaning respondents said they preferred the public option; 37 percent conservative leading respondents said they preferred a bill with some support from Republicans in Congress. Around Six percent said neither and aboutseven percent expressed no opinion.

I modified the paragraph after applying about 0.5 secs of the analysis skills that I learned in elementary school.

Quite a shocking finding, eh?

Keep up the good work, MSM. You're earning every cent I'm paying you.

99 Arrrrgh! My HTML-Fu bites today. Lemme try again.

Fifty one percent Liberal leaning respondents said they preferred the public option; 37 percent Conservative leaning respondents said they preferred a bill with some support from Republicans in Congress. Around Six percent said neither and about seven percent expressed no opinion.

I modified the paragraph after applying about 0.5 secs of the analysis skills that I learned in elementary school.

Quite a shocking finding, eh?

Keep up the good work, MSM. You're earning every cent I'm paying you.

100 Oh, but Coupling gave us this great scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRthd1gHil4

"We're the revolution, now"

101

Have any of you ever been contact for a poll? Ever?

Couple of times. One time was clearly a candidate push poll. (For the unaware, push poll is where Candidate A does a poll. You indicate you support Candidate B. The pollster then ask, would you be willing to support Candidate B if you knew he cheated on this taxes/wife/dog).

I did alot of push polling in the early 90s. So it was a blast. I reworked their push poll for the pollster while doing the poll to make it still effective but less obvious they were push polling. Wound up in a discussion about why the poll was shit - it was too obvious a push and that anyone with half a brain would figure it out. After it was done, she asked the obligatory do you support Candidate A or B - clearly with the hope of chaning my mind. Told her no, wasted your time. But have a nice night.

102 If anything this poll under states the number of Americans in favor of the public option so that's the way we're spinning it and you can trust us since unlike Fox we're a real news organization.   

103

Where's the poll that asks:

1) Do you think Congress should have the same healthcare they want to mandate for the rest of us ?

2) Do you think union members should have the same healthcare that they want to mandate for the rest of us ?

3) If your Congress-weasel won't accept the "public option" for his family's own healthcare, would you still vote for them ?

And that's not even touching the ludicrous budgetary juggling, illegal alien issue, abortion issue, death panels,  "people dying every day" yet this bill not taking effect until four years from now, etc...

 

 

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