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The Politics of Hate

Yesterday the President signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which was hooked onto the Defense appropriation to ensure its passage.

The new hate crimes law creates yet another specially protected group under federal law. It demonstrates Democrats' disdain for the principle of equal treatment under the law. Like other hate crimes laws it criminalizes having the wrong thoughts rather than wrong conduct. It may subject individuals to double jeopardy. And it is entirely superfluous, as ColoradoPatriot writes:

I, too, am disgusted by the crimes against Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. I am glad that those who perpetrated these villainous acts against Shepard are currently each serving two consecutive life sentences. They will never again see the light of day. Meanwhile, two of the three murderers of Byrd are awaiting their executions while the third is currently serving life in prison.

What must be realized, however, is that the fates of these five men are symbols of how the justice system in America worked without the need for a hate crimes act.

Democrats revel in the game of dividing Americans into groups and doling out special treats for the ones that behave. It's not something to celebrate. It's a disgrace.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 09:42 AM



Comments

1 Does the hatred leveled by Dems at the Tea Party and townhall protesters count as hate crimes?  Oh, never mind.

Posted by: Reiver at October 29, 2009 09:44 AM (Yi1Sk)

2 Good thing I only murder people I like.....

Posted by: steevy at October 29, 2009 09:46 AM (WAAXY)

3 They should outlaw greed too while they are at it.  That will take care of the problems with the economy.

Posted by: kefka at October 29, 2009 09:48 AM (n1uMU)

4 It may subject individuals to double jeopardy

 

No “may” about it. It is left entirely up to the DOJ to determine if one of these “hate crimes” has been prosecuted adequately. If someone is found “innocent” in State court for a local crime they can be charged again for the SAME act under a federal crime.  This, along with hate crime laws in general are unconstitutional as hell.

 

But this congress and president know no bounds on that score.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2009 09:48 AM (CDUiN)

5

it amazes me that a group of people defined by what they do with their genitals has become a specially protected group

kill a man- bad

kill a gay man- DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD

Posted by: Cool Money Grip at October 29, 2009 09:49 AM (KOkrW)

6 I'm gonna sneak back in across the Rio Grande.

As a transexual Mexican.

Posted by: Pecos Bill at October 29, 2009 09:51 AM (8WOM0)

7 Just wait until you can be prosecuted under this law without any corresponding bad act, instead of simply in addition to any bad act.  Won't that be fun. 

Posted by: Shillelagh at October 29, 2009 09:52 AM (Oz4Bj)

8 Glad I get my news from this site. If I relied on the GOP to inform me of these BS add ons I would feel like a mushroom.

Posted by: Mr. Pissed at October 29, 2009 09:53 AM (EL+OC)

9 I thought it was proven that gayness had nothing to do with the killing of Shepard.

Posted by: Pocono Joe at October 29, 2009 09:53 AM (hc6BL)

10

Hate crimes have nothing to do with crime and everything to do with promoting one "special" group over another. And while I am not usually an advocate of the slippery slope argument, in this case, I believe that is the goal here. First, you make the status of the victim relevant in the crime. Before, if you killed a person, it was irrelevant if that person was white, black, male, female, ect. ect. Now it matters.

Second, once the status of the victim is relevant, next the feelings of the victim are relevant. Thus, if the feelings are relevant, than other acts that normally would not be considered criminal (e.g., telling that person you are full of crap) are suddenly criminalized because of the status of that person.

Hate crimes are just another step in the long process of the political correct movement in this country to stiffle free speech and reign in dissent.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 29, 2009 09:56 AM (V9SYy)

11 But where are the protections for child sex slavery enthusiasts such as myself?  We are under threat every day from you vigilantes (and law enforcement personnel)! 

Posted by: palin steele (the only child prostitution booster on AoSHQ) at October 29, 2009 09:58 AM (tcMQZ)

12 I feel better that some political hack feels better for this brilliant distinction.

Posted by: Murder Victim at October 29, 2009 10:00 AM (/LY9/)

13

Some of us are more equal than others.

Hate Crimes Laws? Tell me what crimes are not commited with a certain degree of hate?

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 10:02 AM (wuv1c)

14 Pocono Joe, I recall the same.  Come on now though, don't let the facts get in front of the feelings.  Shepard has been lionized and the presstitutes and gay activists will have nothing of what you are saying.

Posted by: Seriously at October 29, 2009 10:02 AM (/LY9/)

15 Does this apply to Fox News too?

Posted by: Roy at October 29, 2009 10:02 AM (cB77O)

16
Is opposing healthcare legislation a hate crime too?

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 10:04 AM (wuv1c)

17 So what happened to me isn't really a big deal, right?

Posted by: White Guy Murdered For Money at October 29, 2009 10:04 AM (xtgND)

18 Did they charge those guys in Tennessee who raped, tortured and murdered those two college kids with hate crimes? Or does the hate crimes bill only swing one way?

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 10:06 AM (wuv1c)

19

what if a murderer only kills persons in a specific age group, (18 -21 year old or 70-80 years olds) is that an ageists? hate crime , or what if only mothers or fathers? 

Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 10:07 AM (1kwr2)

20 And me? I don't get special justice either, yeah?

Posted by: White Guy Beaten For Money at October 29, 2009 10:07 AM (xtgND)

21 What's important for you assholes to remember is just how dangerous it is to be a brotha or queer in this country. Straight, homophobic white Sarah Palin voters looking to off you at the slightest provocation - or hell, just even for kicks. It happens all the time - everyday, practically. That's why we named this bill after a black dude and a queer dude who were killed *11 YEARS AGO.*

Posted by: Bubba at October 29, 2009 10:07 AM (kYSVV)

22 When are they going to attack conservative churches with this piece of "legislation"?

Posted by: TexasJew at October 29, 2009 10:08 AM (VPwsO)

23

If there is a ray of hope in this BS it is the fact that SCOTUS has ruled that laws against “hate speech” are unconstitutional. In a different ruling they said that extra punishment for “hate crimes” was acceptable, provided that some crime had actually been committed. If memory serves I believe the crime has to be a “violent” crime as well. In other words there can be no ‘conspiracy to commit a hate crime”.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2009 10:09 AM (CDUiN)

24
Hate crime laws are totally un-American. This crap should be easily struck down by the Court if challenged, but it's not because we live during a period in our country's history where the citizens are held at gunpoint of political correctness.


Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 10:09 AM (z37MR)

25 By the way, if you're a straight white guy, not only are your crimes worth potentially quadruple or more now, but if you happen to not be a criminal, you're also more likely to be a victim now that crimes against you are "better" than crimes against anyone else. Feel the liberal love!

Posted by: libbyt at October 29, 2009 10:11 AM (xtgND)

26 Hey, welcome to Canada!

We've had this sort of nonsense for years.

Check out Ezra Levant's blog for his long-running war against our hate crime legislation and the Human Rights Commissions.

http://ezralevant.com/

Posted by: Lickmuffin at October 29, 2009 10:11 AM (UhcQ0)

27

At last!

Folks have been anxiously awaiting exactly this kind of Law ever since Sam Houston and Davy Crockett were killed, hand in hand in their wedding dresses, at the Alamo, by those dirty homophobe Mexicans.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 29, 2009 10:12 AM (lDdA/)

28 So I guess all the crimes that are not "hate crimes" are what-  "love crimes"?

Idiocy on stilts...

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 29, 2009 10:15 AM (OtQXp)

29

@23 - If there is a ray of hope in this BS it is the fact that SCOTUS has ruled that laws against “hate speech” are unconstitutional. -

Does that mean I can say I hate hate crimes laws? How about totally despise those that vote for them. The R's should have tried to block this whole piece of legislation and screamed to the world why they were doing so.

Posted by: teej at October 29, 2009 10:15 AM (QdUKm)

30
Remember, Obama started his term with an equally unfair law: the Lilliy Ledbetter Act.

It's all about social justice.

And this is what you get when you have a college faculty running the federal government.

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 10:15 AM (z37MR)

31
What else was in that defense bill?

What happened to the $20M for Dead Kennedy's Bar & Jaccuzzi museum?


Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 10:18 AM (z37MR)

32 nighthawk, must be why they have that weird saying, " love em to death"?

Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 10:19 AM (1kwr2)

33 I don't know if Jack Cashill is a complete loon or not but this is on his site today about hate crimes.  http://tiny.cc/x6L2n


Posted by: Hedgehog at October 29, 2009 10:19 AM (oQIfB)

34 "...And this is what you get when you have a college faculty running the federal government."

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 10:15 AM (z37MR)

I think it may be time to seriously consider giving WFB's "535 people chosen randomly from the phone book" idea a try....

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 29, 2009 10:19 AM (OtQXp)

35 Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 10:19 AM (1kwr2)

Too true!

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 29, 2009 10:21 AM (OtQXp)

36 I think I'd like a cheeseburger. Time for "Fat Crimes" legislation.

Posted by: Gabriel Syme at October 29, 2009 10:21 AM (X2xSP)

37 "he hates these cans..!"

from the movie - The Jerk

now that is hate!

Posted by: I wouldn't do Shep Smith with Ron Burgundy's junk at October 29, 2009 10:23 AM (/MFZx)

38 I thought it was proven that gayness had nothing to do with the killing of Shepard.

Posted by: Pocono Joe at October 29, 2009 09:53 AM (hc6BL)

that's doesn't matter- the narrative was created for this purpose (passing thoughtcrime laws)

 

Orwell wrote about 'thoughtcrime'

it has become reality

Posted by: Cool Money Grip at October 29, 2009 10:23 AM (KOkrW)

39
Okay, so if one can argue Shepard was murdered just because he was a homosexual, can't one also argue Jane Doe was raped by John X just because she was a woman? By that line of reasoning, rape of a woman by a man should also be a hate crime.



Where does it end?

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 10:24 AM (z37MR)

40

sooo, can conservatives claim special status at this time?

Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 10:24 AM (1kwr2)

41 Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 10:24 AM (z37MR)

Stay the fuck away from me if you know what's good for you, pal.

Posted by: Horse of a Different Color at October 29, 2009 10:26 AM (xtgND)

42

** sooo, can conservatives claim special status at this time? **

No, it's legal to kill you. It's considered self defense.

Posted by: Bubba at October 29, 2009 10:26 AM (kYSVV)

43 O/T:  you folks ought to be watching tim's testimony, it seems there are broad reaching sonstitutional ramifications to what they are  trying to pull.

Posted by: curious at October 29, 2009 10:27 AM (p302b)

44 the notion of 'hate' crimes presumes the existence of 'love' crimes, then?

Posted by: Cool Money Grip at October 29, 2009 10:27 AM (KOkrW)

45
And what if, say, one of Bernie Madoff's former clients was a homosexual, is Madoff now guilty of a hate crime?

Is that particular former client of Madoff more of a victim than Madoff's other clients?

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 10:27 AM (z37MR)

46

Uh-oh from HA. The GOP civil war now has a southern front.  Cheney backs Kay Bailey Hutchinson against Rick Perry.

 

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 10:28 AM (wuv1c)

47 Brain Storm by Richard Dooling. Incredibly funny, insightful novel about hate crimes. It is to hate crimes as Crichton's State of Fear is to global warming.

Posted by: the real joe at October 29, 2009 10:28 AM (t7iqL)

48 There have always been love crimes.

Posted by: the real joe at October 29, 2009 10:29 AM (t7iqL)

49

31
What else was in that defense bill?

What happened to the $20M for Dead Kennedy's Bar & Jaccuzzi museum

It will be located next to the new Black Flag steakhouse and the Minor Threat bowling alley (any old punks get that? no? nevermind...).

Posted by: Navin R Johnson says listen to The Misfits at October 29, 2009 10:29 AM (J7/Ud)

50

re: "hate" crimes

 

"Is there another kind?"

 

Posted by: Col. Nathan Jessup USMC (Ret.) at October 29, 2009 10:30 AM (KOkrW)

51 But this congress and president know no bounds on that score.

Unfortunately this kind of BS has been going on a long time. If the Feds don't like the result of a criminal trial involving a black victim and a white defendant, they go after him again on "civil rights" charges. So "hate crime" laws potentially subject a person to triple jeopardy.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at October 29, 2009 10:30 AM (Qt4Y7)

52
Stay the fuck away from me if you know what's good for you, pal.
Posted by: Horse of a Different Color

hmmmm, time to change my name for legal reasons, I guess


Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses, unless they're gay at October 29, 2009 10:30 AM (z37MR)

53 I'll really miss  M. Crichtons writing, 

Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 10:32 AM (1kwr2)

54

The R's should have tried to block this whole piece of legislation and screamed to the world why they were doing so.

 

Unfortunately the Party bosses, in their continuing efforts to make the tent bigger, supported this legislation.  The liberal squishes in congress also supported it because they were scared the news media would call them racists and anti-gay.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2009 10:33 AM (CDUiN)

55 so what if a person kills a penguin?

Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 10:34 AM (1kwr2)

56

49 -

And the Minutemen Jiffylube is across the street. Mekon's Dry Cleaning is around the corner....

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 29, 2009 10:37 AM (lDdA/)

57

fuck zee le penguins

what about moi?

Posted by: Pepé Le Pew at October 29, 2009 10:38 AM (z37MR)

58

If the Feds don't like the result of a criminal trial involving a black victim and a white defendant, they go after him again on "civil rights" charge

 

Actually the “black” hate crimes already existed and that was the law that this law amended to add gays to the list of “hate victims”.

 

The double jeopardy provisions were also revised in this law to make it far easier to make a new charge. If my memory serves correctly, the old law required a ruling by a federal court that a “hate crime” had been committed AND that the local prosecution had been inadequate. The new law only requires the DOJ to make that ruling.  Read that as the A.G. r.e. Eric “don’t prosecute blacks” Holder can now say that Bubba must be tried for the same crime twice.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2009 10:38 AM (CDUiN)

59 This is an incremental step on the way to outlawing conservative thought.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 29, 2009 10:39 AM (xxgag)

60

Certainly doesn't seem to help in creating or upholding a more civil society if you ask me.

 

And I'm pissed as hell over the fact that they had to be sneaky and stick this onto the defense spending bill.  After the little stunt Quinn did here yesterday, I'd say expect more of the same -- they'll try to push their little social engineering programs through holding the veterans and military hostage, and anytime one of their little social programs gets shot down, the military will suffer.

I'm so damn mad right now.

Posted by: unknown jane at October 29, 2009 10:42 AM (5/yRG)

61 Pepe ,while you are slightly odorous ,  but have a lovely speech pattern, and are a filmstar, you might live.

Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 10:42 AM (1kwr2)

62 I'm the real victim here.

Posted by: Black Cat With White Paint Stripe at October 29, 2009 10:43 AM (xtgND)

63 >The R's should have tried to block this whole piece of legislation and screamed to the world why they were doing so.

 

they're pussies

Posted by: Cool Money Grip at October 29, 2009 10:44 AM (KOkrW)

64 58

Heh- don't like the result of an election, just keep counting until you get the result you want.  Don't like the result of a trial, just keep prosecuting until you get the result you want. 

Being a liberal means that you never have to be disappointed....

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 29, 2009 10:44 AM (OtQXp)

65 I hate the pizza guy from Domino's. Will I get extra punishment if I rob him?

Posted by: Papa John at October 29, 2009 10:46 AM (DYJjQ)

66

Just wait until you can be prosecuted under this law without any corresponding bad act, instead of simply in addition to any bad act.  Won't that be fun. 

Yup, this law is going to create some steep, slippery slopes.  I'm sure there will be a new "Mind Thoughts Czar" position opening up soon to deal with this very thing.  And yeah, the tea party/town hall protestors will be accused of racism (opposing the policies of a Black president, who's a protected species) and therefore prosecuted for their hate crimes.  Free speech is so under assault in this country because the Democrats know that they need to shut it down to retain their power (as so aptly demostrated by Hugo Chavez and other various thug dictators).  Look at what's going on in Argentina right now, and it's like foreshadowing of what's going to happen here in the near future.

Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2009 10:46 AM (qP2BK)

67

>>This is an incremental step on the way to outlawing conservative thought.

I don't think so. Unless homophobia = conservative thought, which it doesn't.

It IS an incremental step towards tyranny though. Once there's no equal protection under Law, Liberty is shown the door.

I'm beginning to think that, rather than allowing prayer in schools, we ought to lobby for the return of mandatory Civics and Debate classes. We'd get a whole lot more mileage if kids were required to know both sides of any given issue and could fit that into our Constitutional framework.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 29, 2009 10:47 AM (lDdA/)

68

Christopher Buckley says we should leave Afghanistan after reading a Washington Post article while eating breakfast.

When you've lost an extremely principled and accomplished man like Christopher Buckley, you know you've lost middle america.....

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 10:47 AM (wuv1c)

69 Hey, I know. Let's kill James Byrd's murderers twice. That'll show they cracka asses.

Posted by: pendejo grande at October 29, 2009 10:49 AM (J1eiU)

70

we should form a conservative group , christians should also form a group similar in function (like cair) to protect us from all the hate speech legislation DHS reports. and assorted ideas  coming for us.

silly idea ? dunno at this point. seems to work for others.

Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 10:49 AM (1kwr2)

71

>> "Mind Thoughts Czar"

Miss Cleo?

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 29, 2009 10:49 AM (lDdA/)

72 The new hate crimes law creates yet another specially protected group under federal law. It demonstrates Democrats' disdain for the principle of equal treatment under the law.

Oh, fragile, fragile Gabe.

And yet you support laws aiming to positively supply a liberty (marriage) to a special class of citizens (fags).

Why are homosexuals special when they want to get married or declare themselves homosexual while in uniform, but are not a special class of citizen when they're beaten to death and crucified on a fencepost with barbed wire?

Denying homosexuals basic rights proves we are still a society that hates homos. So, we carefully proscribe behaviors--and yes, beliefs--in order to construct citizens who eventually stop murdering gays for kicks. Much later, the same citizens, assiduously disciplined by law, will happily share a foxhole with a homosexual.

Posted by: Divine at October 29, 2009 10:49 AM (cycZp)

73 But can hate crimes legislation get married?

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 10:49 AM (wuv1c)

74 Just Stop It.

Posted by: eman at October 29, 2009 10:49 AM (F+Eaw)

75

Is opposing healthcare legislation a hate crime too?

The Libs will make any opposition to them a hate crime.  Just wait and see.

Posted by: katya at October 29, 2009 10:51 AM (RbvF+)

76

Did they charge those guys in Tennessee who raped, tortured and murdered those two college kids with hate crimes? Or does the hate crimes bill only swing one way?

Ben, that hate crime legislation is a one way street.  Those monsters that raped, tortured, dismembered and killed those 2 kids in TN were not charged for hate crimes.  Supposedly, there was no basis because the perps (all black) supposedly had friendships/relationships with other whiteys.  And yes, the vics were both white.  Truthfully, there was so much hate in that crime, it should have been charged as an hate crime. 

Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2009 10:52 AM (qP2BK)

77 But the good news is, you're just one BJ away from getting all the hate crime charges dropped.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at October 29, 2009 10:53 AM (j02xJ)

78 Wouldn't it be more efficient to simply increase penalties for all violent crime across the board, then write a single law that reduces sentences for violent crimes committed against heterosexual white males?

It's the same as what we've got, but it would be less paperwork and frankly, more honest.

Posted by: schizuki at October 29, 2009 10:53 AM (SuGDg)

79 Fox is doing an alert on the shooting of a person in a synogogue in LA.  Bet that won't classify a hate crime.

Posted by: katya at October 29, 2009 10:53 AM (RbvF+)

80 katya, that is my fear. the dhs report,  to me was the shot across the , well you know.

Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 10:54 AM (1kwr2)

81 Yup, the Bamster is our first post-racial president.  I feel his just presence as he extends his healing hands over America. 

Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2009 10:54 AM (qP2BK)

82 How about a "Hoax Crime" Bill to counteract the numerous instances of douchebags inventing some really awful, divisive shit.

Posted by: JDW at October 29, 2009 10:55 AM (uw+0A)

83

>>But the good news is, you're just one BJ away from getting all the hate crime charges dropped.

Or, you can just say you love showtunes.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 29, 2009 10:56 AM (lDdA/)

84 Not only that, but Matthew Shepard wasn't murdered for being gay, he was murdered for drug money after he left a bar with a pair of meth-heads he expected to have three-way buttsecks with.

In a sane society, he would be a cautionary example, not a celebrated martyr.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 29, 2009 10:57 AM (PLvLS)

85

I don't think so. Unless homophobia = conservative thought, which it doesn't.


The point is that it might become a hate crime if one opposes homosexual marriage or homosexuals in the military or any other asinine 'progressive' legislation.


Posted by: Pepé Le Pew at October 29, 2009 10:58 AM (z37MR)

86

Not only that, but Matthew Shepard wasn't murdered for being gay, he was murdered for drug money after he left a bar with a pair of meth-heads he expected to have three-way buttsecks with.

In a sane society, he would be a cautionary example, not a celebrated martyr
.

Can you cite that? I've never heard that before. I will be honest, i never really looking into the case. I've heard things, but never checked it out for myself. They seem to have something on life time about Matthew Shepherd all the time.

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 10:58 AM (wuv1c)

87 Wouldn't it be more efficient to simply increase penalties for all violent crime across the board

This law doesn't increase the penalties (what's the increase on execution, anyway?), this law allows a perp to be tried by the feds if they're found innocent by the state. 

Scary shit.


Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 29, 2009 10:59 AM (NtiET)

88
So, we carefully proscribe behaviors--and yes, beliefs--in order to construct citizens who eventually stop murdering gays for kicks. Much later, the same citizens, assiduously disciplined by law, will happily share a foxhole with a homosexual.
Posted by: Divine

Are you a dunce?

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 10:59 AM (z37MR)

89

One other thing to consider on the double jeopardy BS is the location of the trial. If the “crime” is committed in Podunk Smalltown, RedState, USA the original jury pool was most likely chosen from those small town and county people who are most likely conservatives.  Now everyone knows conservatives are more likely to find real criminals guilty and to go for tough sentencing. 

 

Based on that it is obviously racism and hate when they find a white guy innocent in a crime against a minority or homosexual.  Therefore the A.G. will make a new charge and a new trial, this time in a federal court which are located in large urban areas chock full of liberals.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2009 11:01 AM (CDUiN)

90

>>And yet you support laws aiming to positively supply a liberty (marriage) to a special class of citizens (fags).

I support the stripping of Federal & State involvement in the Marriage business. Marriage is a Church thing, government has no place in it. Do you ask the King for the hand of his Subject's daughter?

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 29, 2009 11:01 AM (lDdA/)

91

share a foxhole with a homosexual.

Are you some kind of Furry?

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 11:01 AM (wuv1c)

92

Want to save the planet ?

And Spend $ 1.85 Million Moron Bucks?

go to MLS # 07365936

Google the address to find your glorious new Neighbor. Hint: there are no open house events in this sale.

(Story in Local Big City Paper)

 

Carbo Delenda Est

Posted by: Gore the Elder at October 29, 2009 11:02 AM (QZFcc)

93 Can you cite that? I've never heard that before. I will be honest, i never really looking into the case. I've heard things, but never checked it out for myself. They seem to have something on life time about Matthew Shepherd all the time.

Yes, I can ...

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=277685&page=1


Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at October 29, 2009 11:04 AM (PLvLS)

94 86 
Go back to this link. http://tiny.cc/x6L2n   It links to Jack Cashill of the American Thinker (he's the guy who is trying to prove that Ayres wrote Dreams of my Father)
He writes about that night.

Posted by: Hedgehog at October 29, 2009 11:04 AM (oQIfB)

95

How about a "Hoax Crime" Bill to counteract the numerous instances of douchebags inventing some really awful, divisive shit.

Never happen in this administration.  They want to divide.  It's their greatest tool.

Posted by: katya at October 29, 2009 11:05 AM (RbvF+)

96 The point is that it might become a hate crime if one opposes homosexual marriage or homosexuals in the military or any other asinine 'progressive' legislation.

Yep, you stupid asshole, that's exactly right.

A fact that Gabe can't get, because he's a queer trapped in the body of a Republican.

Posted by: Divine at October 29, 2009 11:05 AM (cycZp)

97

I shot a man in Reno.......Cause he wouldn't stop sucking my dick. But I go to jail, because I'm not teh ghey.

So if I shoot eh ghey, I can just say, hey, he/she was my secret lover.

If I shot a person of color I can say that I'm, like our president, only half white?

WTF... DNA to decide who you are, before investigating/sentencing what you did?

BTW I'm a ghey, half chocolate, Samoan, from a broken home. AND how does this help Ewoks?

Posted by: hutch1200 at October 29, 2009 11:06 AM (P+PLN)

98 Related parody (with interesting video clip at the end of the post): http://tinyurl.com/yjp9kuw

Posted by: Justin Camp at October 29, 2009 11:06 AM (nF4Jh)

99 When are they going to attack conservative churches with this piece of "legislation"?

Nah, not this piece of legislation so much. 

We're waiting on gay marriage to really clobber the churches with.  Just you wait until we have DCFS start yanking their congregant's kids once their teachers determine that "hateful" and "bigoted" values are being communicated to them by their parents, contravening the state sanctioned "tolerance" they should be indoctrinated with, starting at age 5. 

I think you'll see a pretty sharp decline in people abusing their right to freedom of association by joining "hate groups" like churches that refuse to promulgate the doctrine of "no higher power or moral authority than the State". 

As an added bonus, once we have alienated more people from private sources of support and aid in times of crisis we can justify "managing" that portion of their incomes that the rubes currently fritter away with their tithing and charity.

What?  You thought we really care about the feelings of the LGBT community?  Heh.  Look at our track record with racial minorities in this country.

As individuals, we abhor them.  As an aggrieved group though, they are a particularly useful tool for subjugating the competing institutions of Church and Family.  Once the issues in contention are wrapped in the garb of "civil rights" they become a very powerful tool indeed.

Posted by: Totalitarian Statists at October 29, 2009 11:07 AM (aVzyR)

100

Fox is doing an alert on the shooting of a person in a synogogue in LA.  Bet that won't classify a hate crime.

Breaking: Police investigating North Hollywood synagogue shooting as a hate crime http://bit.ly/2Hi59a

Posted by: Bene Geserit Witch at October 29, 2009 11:08 AM (fKpiB)

101

When are they going to attack conservative churches with this piece of "legislation"?

Nah, not this piece of legislation so much. 

We're waiting on gay marriage to really clobber the churches with.

It's that slippery slope you hear tell about.

Posted by: katya at October 29, 2009 11:10 AM (RbvF+)

102 he's a queer trapped in the body of a Republican.

Dude, that's a hate crime.

Posted by: MRI at October 29, 2009 11:12 AM (aVQo/)

103

Did they charge those guys in Tennessee who raped, tortured and murdered those two college kids with hate crimes? Or does the hate crimes bill only swing one way?

No, and Yes, respectively. That's the way the Commiecrats work.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 29, 2009 11:13 AM (ujg0T)

104

93

Thanks

Helps show the difference between the actual story and the story sold by interest groups

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 11:13 AM (wuv1c)

105
A fact that Gabe can't get, because he's a queer trapped in the body of a Republican.

Gabe does get it. And you are a dunce.

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 11:13 AM (z37MR)

106 I hate the pizza guy from Domino's. Will I get extra punishment if I rob him?

Posted by: Papa John at October 29, 2009 10:46 AM (DYJjQ)

 

only if you sodomize him as well

Posted by: Cool Money Grip at October 29, 2009 11:13 AM (KOkrW)

107

Breaking: Police investigating North Hollywood synagogue shooting as a hate crime http://bit.ly/2Hi59a

It happened this morning.  I predict the cops will get word from higher up that they won't investigate it as a hate crime.  I predict the hate crime phrase will quietly disappear. 

Posted by: katya at October 29, 2009 11:15 AM (RbvF+)

108

The point is that it might become a hate crime if one opposes homosexual marriage or homosexuals in the military or any other asinine 'progressive' legislation.

Yep, you stupid asshole, that's exactly right.

A fact that Gabe can't get, because he's a queer trapped in the body of a Republican.

I'm sensing hate crimes here. Ease up on Gabe. He's gay, not evil. 

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 11:15 AM (wuv1c)

109 I never quite understood why killing Shepard for $5 would be less morally reprehensible than killing him because of his sexual habits.

Can anyone explain that to me?

I mean, if I'm a crime victim I'm supposed to feel better about it because it was for money rather than because the criminal hated Czechs? How the hell does that work?

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 29, 2009 11:15 AM (QECjC)

110

Where does it end?

Where they say it ends. The title of this post is apt: "The Politics of Hate." Not The Logic of Hate, Jurisprudence of Hate, Undesirability of Hate, etc. It's pure quid pro quo politics. As Mr. Malor said, "The new hate crimes law creates yet another specially protected group under federal law." We're becoming less a nation of citizens and more a nation of members of special groups who feel they've earned special treatment from government because they put "their guy" in office.

A group that wants special treatement from government always begins with how the practice of the law somehow disfavors them, actually praising the principle of equal treatment under law. Gays or women or blacks or union members claim "disenfranchisement," that they've been barred from participating in government, that their voices aren't heard. That's the pretense, anyway. The irony is how these powerless people provide substantial support for candidates, all the while claiming victimhood. Then they expect something in return. And they usually get it.

Posted by: FireHorse at October 29, 2009 11:16 AM (Vl5GH)

111 BARBARIC!

oh I see it's James Byrd, not Robert Byrd..

They're having jello in the recreation room today!

Posted by: Sen. Robert "Sheets" Byrd at October 29, 2009 11:16 AM (27KAF)

112

One other unconstitutional  aspect of this new law is the opening up of the “hate crimes law” to a much wider group of people. Under the old law one had to be involved in some “federally protected activity” such as our old mimesis “interstate commerce”.

 

The new law removed that requirement so all local laws against violent crime are now by definition, also potential federal crimes.

 

As I said earlier, these assholes know no bounds in their authority.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2009 11:17 AM (CDUiN)

113 106 I hate the pizza guy from Domino's. Will I get extra punishment if I rob him?
Posted by: Papa John at October 29, 2009 10:46 AM (DYJjQ)



only if you sodomize him as well

Posted by: Cool Money Grip at October 29, 2009 11:13 AM (KOkrW)


Boy, I guess THAT would teach him to "hold the sausage."

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 29, 2009 11:17 AM (QECjC)

114
Investigations of crimes just don't simply disappear when they can be politically damaging to certain parties, katya.

Just ask Patrick Fitzgerald.


Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at October 29, 2009 11:17 AM (z37MR)

115

never quite understood why killing Shepard for $5 would be less morally reprehensible than killing him because of his sexual habits.

Can anyone explain that to me?

I mean, if I'm a crime victim I'm supposed to feel better about it because it was for money rather than because the criminal hated Czechs? How the hell does that work?

 

I am in no way religious, but about 4 or 5 years ago, before I had cable, i was flipping through and saw this guy  on the cornerstone(christian) network giving a sermon on hate crimes. It was great. Best speech on the issue i've ever heard on the subject. I think the guy's name was Rod Parsley. I am not sure where one would get a clip of it, but i would recommend it.

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 11:19 AM (wuv1c)

116 But here's the scary thing:

Ministers in Canada can already get in trouble for preaching against homosexuality

Any bets that soon some state Attorney Generals, like in California or Massachusetts, perhaps, will soon do "probes" of the "troubling" Catholic or conservative Protestant teachings on homosexuality? How would a Wise Latina react to something like that, if it became a First Amendment issue?

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 29, 2009 11:20 AM (QECjC)

117

Where does it end?

 

It doesn’t. We ceased to0 have a justice system in this country in the 60s with the advent of the Warren Court.

 

We now have a “legal system”; of the lawyers, for the lawyers, and liberal justice for all.

Posted by: Vic at October 29, 2009 11:20 AM (CDUiN)

118 The first law against 'thought crimes' and it will not be the last. 1984 here we come.

Posted by: Carmelita at October 29, 2009 11:20 AM (gq1Fx)

119 the criminal hated Czechs

Czechs, Czechs, hmmm. Thass only what? A stones throw away from the dirty land of Mordor Scandis and but a fortnight from the realm of the hated Turks? People get your bashing hats on.

Posted by: MRI in Budapest at October 29, 2009 11:23 AM (aVQo/)

120

The first law against 'thought crimes' and it will not be the last. 1984 here we come.

 

that sounds like a hatelove crime to me.

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 11:23 AM (wuv1c)

121 How long before merely disliking homosexuality, without even voicing it, but merely somehow "indicating it", will get one in trouble?

This is insane.

The vast, vast majority of Americans think homosexuals are essentially nuts, but should be just left alone. Actually, it's the homosexuals that are constantly "in our face" (bad pun not intended, but not avoided either) about their sexual habits. They won't leave us alone about it, and never will until they feel we all agree with them.

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 29, 2009 11:24 AM (QECjC)

122 Pretty soon you they will have to include Democrats in the hate crimes bill.

I assume Democrats, the party of the KKK, never heard of equal protection under the law, justice is blind, and other such old age legal beliefs.

Posted by: bill-tb at October 29, 2009 11:27 AM (iiiMw)

123

Investigations of crimes just don't simply disappear when they can be politically damaging to certain parties, katya.

We'll see. 

Posted by: katya at October 29, 2009 11:28 AM (RbvF+)

124

Actually, it's the homosexuals that are constantly "in our face" (bad pun not intended, but not avoided either) about their sexual habits. They won't leave us alone about it, and never will until they feel we all agree with them.

Sadly, the Rule Of Law is being replaced by the Rule Of The Anus, bit by bit. The Left is basically taking a dump all over us.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 29, 2009 11:29 AM (ujg0T)

125

i dunno, it seems to reduce henious acts committed  on any persons. how can raping, torturing , , murduring ,slicing dicing, another human being be made more henious than it is. the acts define its perp. already.

 

Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 11:29 AM (1kwr2)

126 Teh Stoopid is going to get out of control.  The Stoopid will get out of control, and we'll be lucky to live thought it.

Posted by: Adm. Josh Painter played by Brian Dennehy at October 29, 2009 11:31 AM (o4Xi+)

127 it's the homosexuals that are constantly "in our face"

For real I think there is room for nuance here. The militant leftist homosexuals, yes, but then again they're militant leftists (prop . I think more homosexuals than you (we?) think are simply chill and want to be left alone. Then again I dunno. I went to one of those east coast schools where the overtly political 'LGBTers' were truly revolting in what they did (chalking rather explicit descriptions of ghey sex on the walkways during parents' weekend), which tended to oxidize any sympathies the mainstream had.

BTW, I'm in your city, ogling your wimins.

Posted by: MRI in Prague at October 29, 2009 11:32 AM (aVQo/)

128 Does anyone have the link to actual legislation, so we could have fun quoted the dang thing?

Posted by: Cromagnum at October 29, 2009 11:33 AM (QZFcc)

Posted by: Czarface at October 29, 2009 11:34 AM (bXhsu)

130

127

I will be honest. Most of the homosexuals i have known shove it in my face. I know it is their right to, but I don't talk to them about my heterosexuallity. 

Gay=don't mind at all

Militant gays=annoy me greatly. You're here, your queer, we're frigging used to it, now shut up.

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 11:36 AM (wuv1c)

131

Posted by: Hedgehog at October 29, 2009 11:04 AM (oQIfB)

Wow, thanks for the link.  I had no idea Matthew Shepherd's killer was bisexual--a little thing that the media didn't bother to report.  Oh well.  If it doesn't fit the meme, it isn't fit to print.

Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2009 11:37 AM (qP2BK)

132 "I predict the cops will get word from higher up that they won't investigate it as a hate crime.  I predict the hate crime phrase will quietly disappear. 

Posted by: katya"

Just as soon as the suspect turns out to be some flavor of Jew-hating Islamist, re. your #123.

Posted by: Adm. Josh Painter played by Brian Dennehy at October 29, 2009 11:38 AM (o4Xi+)

133

We'll see. 


Yes, we will.


Posted by: Patrick Fitzgerald at October 29, 2009 11:38 AM (z37MR)

134

This would be a great time for Obama to come out of the closet. Any person who votes against him in 2012 will be hauled away to jail.

Posted by: Bonesaw at October 29, 2009 11:38 AM (ZgcbL)

135 Dear Gabe. My oh my. People hate you here in that typical knucklehead "Gabe's cool for a homo, but I'm sick of gays" way. As a guy, you're ok. But as a demography, babe, you're a fag.

Homosexuals have a long way to go to become citizens. First, they need to discipline the knuckleheads and make them understand that hating gays is wrong, because it can lead to murder. Then, once the knuckleheads are trained, you go for the whole enchilada.



Posted by: Divine at October 29, 2009 11:38 AM (cycZp)

136

This will be a vehicle to shut down religion as well. No more preaching out against homosexuality because it might cause someone to kill one of them and that would be a hate crime.

This legislation is so devisive and puts a bullseye on religious establishments everywhere.

 

 

Posted by: Dante at October 29, 2009 11:39 AM (x0pf0)

137 That smiley committed a hate crime in 127. Did not want.

Posted by: MRI at October 29, 2009 11:39 AM (aVQo/)

138

Posted by: Czarface at October 29, 2009 11:34 AM (bXhsu)

Heh!  Barry on the down low?  He could have picked a better beard than Michelle--she really is quite manly looking.  Have you seen the size of her hands?

Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2009 11:41 AM (qP2BK)

139

>>Most of the homosexuals i have known shove it in my face. I know it is their right to

Its just rude. I pretty much just tell that gay = boring, repetitive, one-trick pony shiznit then ask 'em if they do anything worth a damn that might keep my eyes from glazing over.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 29, 2009 11:41 AM (lDdA/)

140 Is anyone really surprised? I mean, the Left had already decided long ago that some lives have more value than others (see: abortion).

A human is a human is a human. All murders are equally heinous. To imply otherwise goes against the entire concept of "equal treatment under the law."

Posted by: Angry Beaver at October 29, 2009 11:41 AM (AsEil)

141  Did President Coward in Chief sign this before or after the photo op for Times saluting the casket of a fallen hero? So many photo ops, golfing, playing basketball,on vacation it is amazing that his handlers didnt think of a pretend soldier,pretending to care,pretending to salute real men.

Posted by: Mike W at October 29, 2009 11:42 AM (7QO3K)

Posted by: qin at October 29, 2009 11:42 AM (prEzA)

143

I find the irony of this amusing (in a bad way).  The Left says that endemic racism is a social construction in this country.  We're all immersed in it constantly, according to them.  Now, normally the Lefties are quick to say that some criminal scum bag is not responsible for his actions because "society" made him do it.  In this case, by their own logic (OK - I realize they don't really have any) hate crimes are a natural outgrowth of a social pathology, and thus it would stand to reason that a person who commits a "hate crime" would be entitled to exceptionally lenient treatment - society made him do it, after all.  No doubt he should get counceling and therapy to help him overcome is hatefulness, which our evil Western Culture has inculcated in his soft little brain.  Yet here they are violating their own priciple - a person commits a crime that is the natural outgrowth of the effect of his toxic environment, yet he is punished MORE harshly than a person who is functioning as a normal, responsible moral agent.

Their illogic, their inconsistency, and their plain pig-ignorance should make these people nothing more than a laughing stock.  Yet we've allowed them to take the reins of power, instead of telling them to shut up and sit down lest they be clouted upon the noggin.  We're so screwed...

 

Posted by: Reactionary at October 29, 2009 11:43 AM (P+HSn)

144
If it's Thursday or Friday...

it's eggmcmuffin.

I thought it was you, but I wasn't sure until now. Usually I can spot your hate-filled drivel in the first sentence of your fist comment, trollmcmuffin.


Posted by: Tweet Allen Poe at October 29, 2009 11:43 AM (z37MR)

145
That's right, eggmcmuffin.

We hate Gabe, but we don't know why we hate Gabe.




Posted by: Tweet Allen Poe at October 29, 2009 11:44 AM (z37MR)

146 Codewords I think. Or codpieces.

Posted by: MRI at October 29, 2009 11:45 AM (aVQo/)

147 "hate-filled"

heh

Posted by: Divine at October 29, 2009 11:45 AM (cycZp)

148

Posted by: Hedgehog at October 29, 2009 11:04 AM (oQIfB)

Wow, thanks for the link.  I had no idea Matthew Shepherd's killer was bisexual--a little thing that the media didn't bother to report.  Oh well.  If it doesn't fit the meme, it isn't fit to print.

That was not the first time either. In the thread that shall not be named from yesterday, I made mention of an earlier "hate crime' in Queens NY. 3 young punks from the neighborhood were said to have killed Julio Rivera because he was gay. The murder happened at a known gay sex spot which happened to also be a local elementary school. I actually met one of the killers becuase my friend was a local boy and used to hang out with them as a kid. The biggest problem with the media and the NYC meme is that one of the boys who did the crime was bi-sexual. It was explained to me as a robbery gone bad.


Posted by: kidney at October 29, 2009 11:46 AM (kaYV3)

149

>>This will be a vehicle to shut down religion as well. No more preaching out against homosexuality because it might cause someone to kill one of them and that would be a hate crime.

I know some priests & revs who would go to jail for saying exactly what the State forbids them to and consider it a privilege.

But hey, bring out an Imam for the test case. I'm sure there's some islamic homophobes out there.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at October 29, 2009 11:47 AM (lDdA/)

150 My ass can't take much more of this.

Posted by: U.S. Citizen at October 29, 2009 11:48 AM (ov3Hi)

151

Dear Gabe. My oh my. People hate you here in that typical knucklehead "Gabe's cool for a homo, but I'm sick of gays" way. As a guy, you're ok. But as a demography, babe, you're a fag.

Homosexuals have a long way to go to become citizens. First, they need to discipline the knuckleheads and make them understand that hating gays is wrong, because it can lead to murder. Then, once the knuckleheads are trained, you go for the whole enchilada.


ummmmmm....

Posted by: Ben at October 29, 2009 11:48 AM (wuv1c)

152 Dear Gabe. My oh my. People hate you here in that typical knucklehead "Gabe's cool for a homo, but I'm sick of gays" way. As a guy, you're ok. But as a demography, babe, you're a fag.

Most people here give little or no thought Gabe's love life.

Homosexuals have a long way to go to become citizens. First, they need to discipline the knuckleheads and make them understand that hating gays is wrong, because it can lead to murder. Then, once the knuckleheads are trained, you go for the whole enchilada.

First off, its Moron, not knucklehead, dipstick.

Second, nothing wins over an audience like talking down to them.

Third, people don't exist to fulfill someone else's stereotype. I take it you are gay, yes? Lots of stereotype about that. Kind of annoying when people expect you to fit in a neat little box because of a single characteristic.

Go scold somewhere else.

Posted by: fluffy at October 29, 2009 11:48 AM (4Kl5M)

153

I mean, if I'm a crime victim I'm supposed to feel better about it because it was for money rather than because the criminal hated Czechs? How the hell does that work?

Here's how it works, CoolCzech:

First, find some other Czechs who want to change things to your collective favor. Pool some money together and field a candidte for mayor of your town. Next, send him out to talk up his campaign message. The message, by the way, is how America is the "land of the free" yadda yadda, but opportunity has been denied to your people. Never mind that you and your Czech buddies had all this money to spend on a political campaign. We're going for the heartstrings, not accuracy.

Then have him tell your people's story: how you had to share a country with the Slovaks, then the Nazis came, then the Soviets, then how the people of your town did nothing while the Red Army crushed the Prague Spring of '68. Simultaneously, trash your guy's opponent. Again, accuracy doesn't count. Tell everyone that he claimed he can see Russia from his house, or something.

While your candidate campaigns, make sure he's wearing a Czech flag. This is important after he's sworn in, too: Everyone in your town needs to know what that flag looks like. You and your friends will wear them, too. "Czech pride," you'll claim, but in this case there's really nothing to be proud of. You've simply formed a gang.

The next time a Czech gets mugged in your town, the assailant will come close to dying from his injuries. He will have "resisted arrest," you see. Should a second incident occur, the thug will likely have something that looked like a gun to a cop and get himself killed.

Early on, it won't matter if you're getting mugged for your money or for your ethnicity. But later, you'll not get mugged because you're Czech. You'll be special in very practical ways. You'll be able to do whatever you want, as long as your wants are proportional to the support you give to your cohort in the mayor's office, of course.

Oh, and publicly you'll always be a "victim," saying how society has been so unfair to you and your people. . . .

Posted by: FireHorse at October 29, 2009 11:49 AM (Vl5GH)

154 they need to discipline the knuckleheads

So many jokes...

Posted by: Don't do it at October 29, 2009 11:50 AM (aVQo/)

155

ummmmmm....

I was thinking the same thing. Weird.

Posted by: Randy the Rahm at October 29, 2009 11:50 AM (1TVYh)

156 YOU"VE BEEN A BAD BOY

Posted by: Don't do it at October 29, 2009 11:52 AM (aVQo/)

157 Well, you can't have a perfect leftist police state without thoughtcrime laws, can you? Because of course it's not enough that the perps in these two cases got sent away forever on charges CAPITAL MURDER -- for ACTIONS committed, which is the bedrock basis for our system of law, that you get prosecuted for what you do, not what you think or say as you do it.

Supporters of these laws act as if the killers of Byrd and Sheppard are running loose, unpunished...and that vague, nonsensical shit-laws like this would prevent such bad things from happening...because top-shelf, life-ending felony convictions just aren't enough of a deterrent for the world's scumbags. Uh-huh.

Once a criminal act committed against one person starts being scored differently than the same act committed against another, the principle of equal legal protection for everyone -- a keystone of our civil society -- starts to rot away, and we slip down towards another system all too common in this world: one in which one's degree of personal protection under the law depends upon the whims of those who happen to control the powers of the State, not on established constitutional rights.

Awesome. Thanks a lot, Barry. Thanks a million.

Posted by: Chainsaw Chimp at October 29, 2009 11:52 AM (pLTLS)

158

Well damn, had a rogue sockpuppet up in 100. That was me.

Divine, you are on thin ice. Try and express yourself without using the word "fag" or "faggot."

The vast, vast majority of Americans think homosexuals are essentially nuts, but should be just left alone. Actually, it's the homosexuals that are constantly "in our face" (bad pun not intended, but not avoided either) about their sexual habits. They won't leave us alone about it, and never will until they feel we all agree with them.

Depends on what you mean about "in our face."

Straight folks hold hands in public all the time. Is it "in your face" if a gay couple does it? Straight folks suck face in public all the time. Is it "in your face" if gay couples do it?

 

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at October 29, 2009 11:53 AM (fKpiB)

159 Ugh. How long before it's a hate crime to dislike jug eared, vapid dunces with no qualifications whatsoever that seem hellbent on destroying the Republic?

A formal crime, I mean.

Posted by: buster mcDissenter at October 29, 2009 11:54 AM (qEIlB)

160 Being attached to a yearly renewable act, does this mean that it expires next October ?

Posted by: TennDon at October 29, 2009 11:54 AM (o6Yv2)

161
I take it you are gay, yes?

eggmcmuffin is indeed an angry homosexual with a terrible relationship with his dad. We established this years ago right here on this blog.


Posted by: Tweet Allen Poe at October 29, 2009 11:55 AM (z37MR)

162

Speaking of the politics of hate, I hate John Kerry.  From Hotair:

The chairmen of the House and Senate foreign relations committees are asking the Law Library of Congress to retract a report on the military-backed coup in Honduras that they charge is flawed and “has contributed to the political crisis that still wracks” the country.

The request, by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. and Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., has sparked cries of censorship from Republicans who say the Democrats don’t like what the August report said: that the government of Honduras had the authority to remove President Manuel Zelaya from office.

Zelaya has been holed up at the Brazilian embassy in Tegucigalpa for several weeks, and high-ranking U.S. officials arrived Wednesday to try to broker a resolution.

Critics of the Obama administration — which condemned Zelaya’s removal in June — have pointed to the report as evidence that the White House was wrong when it sided with most Latin American countries in calling for Zelaya to be returned.

Epic Douchebag!

Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2009 11:55 AM (qP2BK)

163 Douching in a fashion reminiscient of Jen-Jiss Caan....

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 29, 2009 11:58 AM (ujg0T)

164 Gabe, It is commendable that you think this law through and do not let your understandable sympathies cloud your thinking.
I hope that doesn't sound condescending. I can't think of another way to word it and you deserve some credit for your stance.

Posted by: kidney at October 29, 2009 11:59 AM (kaYV3)

165 the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act

So it protects drug buyers and designated minority groups then? I guess it makes perfect sense with President Cokehead in office now.

I was going to cut your taxes...but then I got high, then I got high...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 29, 2009 11:59 AM (7BU4a)

166 When we get nationalized health care, and the elderly are denied medical care and they die in huge numbers, I'm sure that won't qualify as an hate crime.  Kind of like abortions of minority babies.  These two groups of people are the most vulnerable in society, but nope, nothing to see here, keep moving on. 

Posted by: runningrn at October 29, 2009 12:03 PM (qP2BK)

167 Uh oh.  Does this mean that, in the future, if I disagree with a post by Gabe, I can be charged with a 'hate crime'?

Posted by: Michael in MI at October 29, 2009 12:18 PM (ObTcs)

168

I asked a couple of my gay left-wing friends about why, should they be murdered, their life was suddenly worth more than mine if I was murdered. "How is putting someone in the hospital for who they sleep with worse than doing it for the contents of their wallet?"

They said it was to make sure the Feds could step in if a "politically unpopular victim, like a gay person" was attacked and the prosecution wasn't doing its job.

I call bullshit and shenanigans. The only people safe to hate now are straight white people. Maybe the Stormfront types are right and we do need to buy more guns because it's open season on us next.

Posted by: SGT Dan at October 29, 2009 12:23 PM (GgXZc)

169

Fox is doing an alert on the shooting of a person in a synogogue in LA.  Bet that won't classify a hate crime.

No it won't be. He isn't a black hispanic homosexual, and he wasn't wearing a dress.

Posted by: harleycowboy at October 29, 2009 12:24 PM (JKGfQ)

170 But if you beat, shoot or kill a Jooooo it's all good, right?



Posted by: MPFS Indentured Fish Stick to the State at October 29, 2009 12:38 PM (iYbLN)

171

The only people safe to hate now are straight white people.

And the Dallas Cowboys, right?

(Right?)

Posted by: FireHorse at October 29, 2009 12:59 PM (Vl5GH)

172

For those who do not understand the "Gay Agenda", this is it.

Gabe should be poster boy.  

 

Posted by: Pelvis at October 29, 2009 01:22 PM (LlaBi)

173

"After today, mugging a homosexual because he's homosexual is a federal crime. Raping a woman because she's a woman is not."

 

I wish I could take credit for that, but was LeShawn Barber's Tweet yesterday.

Posted by: small town girl at October 29, 2009 01:25 PM (s5uki)

174 Democrats revel in the game of dividing Americans into groups and doling out special treats for the ones that behave. It's not something to celebrate.

Word. I'm not celebrating anymore...

Posted by: Van Jones at October 29, 2009 01:30 PM (SPSOE)

175

Depends on what you mean about "in our face."

Straight folks hold hands in public all the time. Is it "in your face" if a gay couple does it? Straight folks suck face in public all the time. Is it "in your face" if gay couples do it?

 

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at October 29, 2009 11:53 AM (fKpiB)


Gabe,

Can't speak for the original poster you quoted, but the former is no big deal and I don't care. The latter bothers me, but it also bothers me when straight people do it, too. Anything overtly sexual should be kept to yourself and out of the public square, IMO. Peck kisses don't bother me but people playing tonsil hockey in public, regardless of the gender difference (or lack thereof) is inappropriate.

I only know one gay guy who isn't "in your face" about it. And frankly, I had no clue he was even gay until he told me, because he just acted like a normal person. What a lot of heterosexual people get annoyed about is the over-the-top flaming gay stuff. I know it's a stereotype, but it's one that is incredibly prevalent among the gays I've encountered, and I think that may be what the commenter you quoted was trying to express.

I don't care if you're gay or straight. But I don't feel the need to advertise my sexuality on a billboard and I don't see why so many of the gays I've personally encountered do it, aside from their apparent desire to draw attention to themselves and then sneer at anyone who they think had looked at them funny. I'm sure not all homosexuals behave that way, but other than that one gay guy I know, all of the other homosexuals I've encountered fall right into the stereotype.

So there it is.

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Posted by: SFC MAC at October 29, 2009 01:34 PM (cuNX0)

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The only people safe to hate now are straight white people.

And the Dallas Cowboys, right?

(Right?)

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These macabre Democrats just don't mind using corpses for their political ends, do they?

Posted by: AmishDude at October 29, 2009 01:42 PM (T0NGe)

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181 i've been thinking, (not  always a good thing)  but, i'm going to say it, even tho it negates my previous thought about crime verses "special", i do think ,for instance a crime against children (as they are defenseless) is a big deal, would this be classified as "special"?

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Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 01:48 PM (1kwr2)

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Posted by: ugh at October 29, 2009 01:49 PM (1kwr2)

184 It's the "If you're white your lifes worth less than anyone elses" act. 

Posted by: TrickyDick at October 29, 2009 01:52 PM (bVka+)

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The effect of this is to deny all non-favored groups equal protection under the law.  How is this constitutional?  So if someone kills a homosexual because the homo raped his little boy, that will be considered a hate crime, but when a gang of blacks tortures, rapes and murders a white couple that is just a plain ordinary crime, nothing to take seriously?  Does anyone want to bet that the black gang rapists, torturers and murderers will get a short sentence followed by parole and no one will lift a finger afterwards?  Did anyone think to pass a hate crime law when two homosexuals raped and killed a 13 year old boy?  This is BS, pure and simple.

 

 

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The worst thing about this is the demagoguery.  Byrd was killed in 1998.  Matthew Shephard was killed in 1998.

These macabre Democrats just don't mind using corpses for their political ends, do they?

Well in defense of the Dems, the dead voters are one of their biggest and most important constiuencies.

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