1 First? And go Joe!

2 JOE-MENTUM!

3 Good for Joe

4 Boy, abandoning Joe in the primaries sure paid off for the Democrats! (And thank you, Joe.)

5 Joe...more of a Republican than Lindsay Graham. 

6 Holy shit Joe, way to stick the knife in at the best possible time.

I knew there was a reason I supported you over the Republican nominee in your last Senate reelection bid. 

Lieberman must be loving this shit so much right now. 

7 To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!

8 Good on Joe. I'll never forgive him for sitting silent in 2000 while Gore tossed military votes but kudos on this one.

9

Palin/Lieberman '12 anyone?

And wouldn't that burn AlGore's ass. _{heh heh heh...}

 

10
>> If the Republicans stay together and vote no, Harry Reid needs all 58 Democrats and the 2 Independents that caucus with them to push this through.

So now the question is... which Republican is more liberal than Joe Lieberman, the democratic VP candidate from 2000?

11 aaaarggggghhhhhh!!! Mommy!!!!!  He did it again!!!

12

Rogue / Maverick

Good on Joe

13 Kudo's to Liebermnn. And Harry Reid's office gets bombarded by Kos Kids throwing fits and demanding Harry punish Joe in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...................

14

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

15 Oh come on, you know he is just saying this so they will include whatever little amendment or porkulus he wants in the bill.  A news commentator said today that Olympia will say she isn't voting for the public option until they give her whatever she wants.  Look, these people don't care, they are there to pad their own stock portfolios, advance their friends, make money on appearances and books, you didn't really think they are supposed to represent their constituents did you.

16 Happy Halloween Harry!

Waahaaaahaaaahaaaa.

17

"It’s just asking for trouble – in the end, the taxpayers are going to pay and probably all people will have health insurance are going to see their premiums go up because there’s going to be cost shifting as there has been for Medicare and Medicaid."

Chest pains...

U.S. Senator strings coherent thoughts together....

Everything going black...

[Thud]

18

So now the question is... which Republican is more liberal than Joe Lieberman, the democratic VP candidate from 2000?

Actually, if the Republicans could find a few more Libermann's, they actually would have a pretty attractice moderate candidate. A Libermann would do all right in some of the blue states.

Look, socially, Libermann is horrible (pro-choice, etc.). And he will always vote to confirm liberal judges. He was part of the Gang of 12 stuff. But, he is a fiscal conservative (ala William Proxmiar) and hawkish on defense (he may be the last of the Scoop Jackson Democrats). So yea, as far as conservative issues go, Libermann is actually right with 2 of the 3 stools that I was always lead to believe made up the Republican party.

 

19 Olympia Snowe (R - Olympia Snowe) will lift her skirt for any bit of legislation that sails in to port if it gets her on TV.

20 Snowe. Olympia Snowe. Have you guys upgraded the Senate phone system since Harry Byrd's first term? S-N-O-W-E.

21 So can we, the Opposition, now claim bi-partisanship in opposition?

22 The flaming skull of Ganja!  How I love it.

23 I'll bet that made Dingy Harry fill his depends to overflowing. Right down into his shoes...

24

Why would joe do this?

I always thought he was a leftist when it came to domestic policy? Can anyone explain?

25 @9, un-lubricated anal sex burns Al Gore's ass more

26

Brooklyn Bridge Seller - I will conceed this may be a bit of grandstanding on Liberman's part to get changes. But, I'm not sure he can be bought cheap. This is the same guy who stood for the surge when everyone else in his own party was beating the Get of Iraq drum.  So, at least as far past history shows, it does demonstrate that Joe Libermann has a spine.

 

27

ty, Mr. Lieberman.

28 Screw this Lierberman vote news, I want to hear about moi's sexually unfulfilled next-door-neighbor lady. Specifically, will moi give her a reach-around?

29 If Zerocare gets the Hindenburg treatment, I think we can officially assign ruptured duck status to Zero. Will Wookiee be proud?

30

Why would joe do this?

He is a bit of fiscal conservative. And he is one of those guys who, after the stimulus (he did vote for that), ect. is begining to wonder how much more can we afford.

He also is going to ahve to run 3rd party again for re-election and may be triangulating here to get the Republicans to nominate another tin can to run so its really a 1 on 1 race between him and whoever the Democrats nominate. So, Liebermann is picking up on the vibe that deficiets are going to be a major issue for the next couple election cycles.

 

31 Woo hoo!  --and I just saw a Ned Lamont sticker yesterday too!

32

I can’t see a way in which I could vote for cloture on any bill that contained a creation of a government-operated-run insurance company,” Lieberman added. “It’s just asking for trouble – in the end, the taxpayers are going to pay and probably all people will have health insurance are going to see their premiums go up because there’s going to be cost shifting as there has been for Medicare and Medicaid.”

 Ben, maybe also  the no-opt out for states? i actually don't know, anything other than what was said about our finincial burdens at this point in a bad economy

33 First bit of good news I've heard all day.

**BUT**. . .the arm-twisting isn't over yet, and I wouldn't say its impossible that Reid can come up with *something* that will yield 60 votes.

#18, I'd like to think that the Republican party has "legs" and isn't made of "stools" (ick!).

34 Joe may be a liberal, but he's a JFK liberal, not a full blown commie.

35 Has anyone said "Pass the popcorn", yet? Good.

Pass the popcorn.

36

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If you morons don't absolutely blast the comment thread I'll be disappointed.

37

I want to hear about moi's sexually unfulfilled next-door-neighbor lady.

I NEED IT. Don't you hear me....I NEED IT!!!!!!

38

#18, I'd like to think that the Republican party has "legs" and isn't made of "stools" (ick!).

My bad. I was distracted by the thought of moi's sexually frustrated neighbor. On the other hand, Newt is still a Republican, soooooo

39 The party left you, Joe.  Thanks for doing the right thing here.

40 We can refer to Lieberman formally as "Respected Maverick Senator." You know, they way the MSM often refers to RINOs.

Cordially...

41 Yeah Connecticut!

42 How's that party switch working out for ya, Arlen? 

43 #18, by the way, I agree with you.

Lieberman isn't horrible. . .FOR A DEMOCRAT (even though nominally, he isn't one anymore).

The problem is that Lieberman is considered such an outlier in the ever-more-lurching-leftward Democrat party, he was effectively tossed out.

Why is he going to play the "spoiler" here?

He's a politician, and not being a Democrat anymore, he doesn't have to play party suckup.   Perhaps he is ideologically against a public option, but he has to certainly know that the public is against it.  So, voting with the public preference here is smart politics.

For the Dems. . .payback's a beeyotch.

44 another thing i believe he backed McCain in elections,  if i remember correctly didn't Obama act threatening to him during election season. another thing Lieberman is quite appreciatuve of our military guys and gals

45 Joe may be a liberal, but he's a JFK liberal, not a full blown commie.

Plus, I think he may have some lingering resentment because of the rotten way his own party has been treating him lately. So he's probably relishing an opportunity to stick it to them.

46 Imagine this scenerio,

Hoffman +10
McDonnell +17-20
Christie Win
CA-10 Win (Harmer just cleaned Garmendi's clock in a debate yesterday.  Water rights give us a chance to pick this up.  Harmer was in striking distance before the debate, he might have the lead after it.  The beat down was that bad.)

How many rats jump ship in that scenerio? 

47 What does "vote to proceed to the debate" mean, i.e., how many votes are needed to get to that part (and why bother announcing that he's willing to do that?)

48 LauraW - Can you please send Joe an invite to a CT morons meeting?

49 I actually think there are a lot of Dems who want this whole thing to go away.  I think they're glad that they lost Lieberman.  This frees Snowe (who just loves being on the winning side) because she won't stick her neck out with the Dem caucus unsure.

This should do it, unless Reid wants to rework the bill.

50 JDW, that is the stupidest story, and the one that sets my bullshit meter screaming, in a long time.

It reminds me of the picture of Obama with his feet up on the desk and the holes in his soles.

I mean, come the fuck ON!

Who the FUCK sits there while a RAT runs up their fucking leg?

And what MILLIONAIRE has shoes with HOLES in them?

I'm just a simple truck driver, and MY shoes don't have holes in them!

How STUPID do they think we are?

51

anyway he's an old liberal type, much more repectable than the crew we are currently dealing with.

he still cares for his country.

52 October surprise!

53
I'm not surprised. Insurance is a huge industry in Connecticut (also in Iowa), and Obamacare looks like it would do his state's economy serious harm. Maybe Lieberman's being principled; but he also knows which side his bread is buttered on.

54

That wasn't a rat, that was a Chicago politician crawling up Zero's skinny leg. You have to know the difference if your going to have a law office there.

And that book "Inside Zero's Brain", will be a short story. Bill Ayers is a busy little maggot.

55 That stimulus bill is looking like a good deal now.  Obama spent that money and wasted his political capital when he could have gotten the health care takeover passed.  Sad the stimulus  Democratic payoff passed, but it could be money well spent in that it depleted Obama's influence and saved us from this piece of crap.

56 Why would Joe do it?  CT is the insurance capital of the world.

57 SEE HOW IT'S DONE, NEWT?

58 Joe Lieberman?  Never heard of him.

59

If you morons don't absolutely blast the comment thread I'll be disappointed.

Posted by: JDW at October 27, 2009 02:20 PM (uw+0A) 

I liked the halloween candy poll on the side.  Clear majority said Palin would give the best candy (is there some sort of "Trick or Treat" pron genre out there?) but I have to think that Slow Joe probably hands out the best (he's a child, after all).  Unless Palin hands out Moose jerky.

60
Doesn't sound like he's saying no outright, sounds like he's waiting to be bought off.  What's this "without changes" business? 

61 Shove that up your ass Reid! You wrinkley bag of antlers. And fuck you too Sphincter!!

62

How's that party switch working out for ya, Arlen? 

in all seriousness, next year you guys need to donate money to Pat Toomey. I will probably volunteer for him. He is great. I believe he was or still is the President of The Club for Growth, is a fiscal conservative, and most importantly is running against Arlen Specter.

 

63 Here is what worries me . . . What if When the R's clean the Dem's clock in 2010,  Can they pass this as an FU to America on their way out?  At that point they have nothing to lose.

64

Looking Closely - my thought was that for certain blue states (New, York, Vermont, ect. ect.) Libermann would be an all right Republican candidate. Your not going to win in Vermont being hard line against abortion, gay rights, etc. etc. I think that deficiets will be a major issue for at least the next 2 cycles. We owe 17 trillion dollars - and the amount Obama is spending dwarfs any deficiets racked up during the Bush year (which were inexcusable - but that is another rant for another day). His pro-military stance works with more conservative voters than your typical Democratic "I give up - lets quit Iraq, etc. b.s. 

I will conceed, if Liebermann were a Republican, he would probabl frustrate most of us here. Maybe not to the extent of Snowe or Graham, but a top 5 contender.  But, would a Liebermann be better than, say, Chuck Schumer or Bernie Sanders - hell yes.

Would he be my idea candidate - no. But I live in Illinois, so I am in the minority here (for now). But could a Liebermann like canidate do well enough in some of the marginal blue areas around here to win - well see, cause I think Mark Kirk is going to make the run.

 

65 My Prediction: Liberman and Snowe are full of shit and will vote for Obamacare along with at least two other RINOz.

66

Brown line.

I'm not surprised either, but as Purple stated He's more of an jfk type liberal , more of an American liberal , not a World Socialists type. He's always been pretty Hawkish on defense. I'm sure much of the New Dems ideas aren't impressing him much. also anything that piss's off Open Left makes me smile.

67

Here is what worries me . . . What if When the R's clean the Dem's clock in 2010,  Can they pass this as an FU to America on their way out?  At that point they have nothing to lose.

Probably not, because you still have a few endangered Democrat Senators (McCaskill-Missouri, Landrieux - LA) that might get killed on it. Once the politicians see the writing on the wall, they usually do what is necessary to preserve their own future.

68 Joe is going to wake up to find a severed donkey's head in his bed.

69 So now which RINO is getting their butt kissed to go Benedict Arnold?

70

>OT - OBAMA WITH RATS RUNNING UP HIS LEG

 

I call BS- we know he's afraid of Foxes- no way he sits calmly while a rat crawls on him

71

also he's more business friendly

72 Walrus wrapped in paper with a fish hanging out of it''s mouth, stabbed many times with a steak knife.

73 Principled politician or pandering for votes and favors? Hmmm. Can anyone find the oxymoron in that question?

74

The other upside to this is that Liebermann may have opened the door for other wavering Democrats to go ahead and defy Reid. Here is the recent AP report on Blanch Lincoln (one of the most endangered Democrats in 2010)

The Associated Press reports that Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) spoke about the public option today, saying "We don't need to go there," but wouldn't say if she'd vote to block the health care reform bill from the Senate floor.

Not a stone cold, I won't vote for this - but a start.

75 Don't count on a clean sweep yet.   New Jersey still has a powerful Democrat party, and they will try to turn out the vote. Their ace in the hole, so to speak, is still ACORN/SEIU.  They are still ready and willing to do their masters bidding if necessary. Its a dirty business in NJ. head bashing and strong arm arm tactics are still S.O.P.

76

but he also knows which side his bread is buttered on.
Get the butter.

77 Joe is a Democrat to the core, but he's a good guy, and honest enough to call a pile of dogshit what it is. It's shameful the way the Donks chased him out of their caucus, because they really need him to pull in the moderates. A Democratic party with Joe Lieberman in it is far more dangerous than one without, because Joe draws a lot of centrists who are otherwised turned off by the likes of Pelosi and Reid.

I'm not one of those conservatives who love Joe when he's acting like a conservative but hate him when he's acting like a liberal; Joe is a liberal Democrat and has never been otherwise. I respect him for his honesty, which is a rare thing in either party nowadays. I wouldn't vote for him, but I respect him.

78 #64

As a pure thought-exercise, sure, if he were branded as a Republican, Lieberman probably could be "bought" in Northeast States that usually elect Democrats.

Objectively, that's more or less what he is now!  A "not-Democrat" elected in a Northeast blue state.

In practice, he's probably not going to become a Republican, or he would have done so already (though that's always subject to how the political winds look when he's running for re-election.  Like all career politicians, I think he'd flop rather than leave elected office). 

Even if he did change parties, it probably wouldn't change how he voted.    

More importantly, he's ALREADY in a fairly blue state (CT), he's not leaving it, and he's technically not a Democrat.

79 markos moulitsas: Hey guys, I've got an idea. Let's run Ned Lamont against Liebermann and piss him off. What could go wrong?

roflmbo

80 Will Harry Reid try the nuclear option?

81 Senator Ben Nelson
Senator Blanche Lincoln
Senator Max Baucus
Senator Evan Bayh
Senator Mary Landrieu

These are your public option skeptics.  Baucus says get to 60 and he's on board.  Hold one of the other four and there is no public option.

82 "80 Will Harry Reid try the nuclear option?

Posted by: bowelmovement at October 27, 2009 02:55 PM (hGA6/)"

heck yeah

83 more of an American liberal , not a World Socialists type.

Yep.  What a lot of people fail to realize is there is a very distinct ideological difference.  In the past 20 years of the rise of the world socialist types in American politics, they largely didn't really push hard enough to trigger the "hard stops" of the Lieberman types and it may have been difficult to see the difference in the past as a practical voting matter

With the Obamunists win, the hard core misread the election results and public sentiment completely and felt emboldened to push their hand in an environment where they were doomed to meet significant resistance and run into the "hard stops" of many JFK liberals.

The most curious take away from all this is the Obamunists continue to misread the public to this day and continue pushing shit that isn't going to fly.  In many ways I think the whole Obama administration is operating in a bubble of far greater magnitude than Bush ever did.

84 Mentos are on me!

85

Once again I agree with Monty. Joe IS a liberal Dem. Anyone who voted for that bloated welfare bill labeled “stimulus” can NOT be considered a “fiscal conservative”. Basically, he is a 1960s vintage Dem which is where about half of the Repubs are at now.

86 Senator Snowe, "making history" isn't all it's cracked up to be, m'lady.

87 Perhaps it will be Bart Stupak since Madame Botox is unhappy with him.

http://tinyurl.com/yfwgt43

88 Does Harry Reid really want a public option to succeed?  If so, it's the dumbest approach seen in years.  And it will serve him very poorly in Nevada next year when he runs again.

89 I never have cared much for Lieberman, but maybe I should adjust my attitude.  The guy certainly has some integrity since he is already on thin ice with the collective.

90 This doug guy's hash is suspect.

91 Posted by: Scott at October 27, 2009 03:06 PM (h5HHD)

He said he doesn't care to run again, so he has nothing to lose.

92 Heh heh.

Tag Cloud of what's being said in Healthcare for America Now ofc over past hr: http://bit.ly/3aQK7L

93 The hannity on the radio is very different from the hannity on fox, Savage is right, Fox is slowly deftly caving and trying to make sure that you don't notice.

94 This does not make me proud of my country.

95 Trust Lieberman more than Snowe. He's the only Dem who is not a total liberal nutcase or beholden to same, and  who typically says what he means and means what he says. Hard to believe he was actually a candidate for VP with Gore. Seems like an ice age ago.

96 Lieberman is an Orthodox Jew--that put a stop on where his liberalism ends.  Because Leftsm is an alternative, surrogate religion; it's faith-based, detached-from-reality thought).  Lieberman doesn't need a replacement religion because he clearly has one.

97 "Democrats are no longer interested in working with Republicans."

Where the fuck has Snowe been?  Did she just pull her head out of her ass?
The Democrats, led by Pelosi and Reid HAVE NEVER been interested in working with Republicans, OTHER THAN TO HAVE THEM COVER DEMOCRATIC ASS!

98

The nuclear option is a bad thing when it goes off in your face. But Harry looks like it has already, so he's probably not worried.

And Joe just showed Harry what is meant by a "wide stance".

99 Reid will try to go with reconciliation, and if the Republicans don't blow up the Senate over it, the hell with them.

100

Joe is a thoughtful liberal.

Think "baby pigeon".  You don't see them that often, but they do exist.

101 Isn't it obvious comrades? He must want Dear Leader to fail! This Lieberman must be a racist!

102 wow, 450,000 people have left New Jersey in the last eight years????  Gotta be the tax base certainly not the gimmies.

103

He's the only Dem who is not a total liberal nutcase or beholden to same, and  who typically says what he means and means what he says. Hard to believe he was actually a candidate for VP with Gore.

 

He flip-flopped big time on a number of issues to get right (get left?) with the nutroots in 2000. Put not your faith in any politicians.

104

Fox is slowly deftly caving and trying to make sure that you don't notice….

 

Fox has NEVER been a conservative news network. They have always tilted slightly to the left. Even idiot O’Reily said many of them were known to have voted for Obama, including Katrina Shep and Missing Girl Greta.

 

They have a couple of conservative “opinion shows” like Hannity and Beck and a couple of liberal Opinion shows like O’Reily and FNS. Their ‘fair and balanced” debates, at best, are between a commie Dem and a RINO Repub. In fact, the Repubs you see on the “news” segments the most are McLame and Graham.

 

People only “think” they are conservative because the rest of the MSM says they are and the Dems complain because they are not “leg tingling” batshit crazy for Obama and Nancy.

 

I would put most of the Fox News anchors of today as the equivalent of Walter Cronkite in the 60s.

105

Lieberman has a lifetime ACU rating of 15.96.  In comparison, Snowe has 47.88. Anyone below 75 is a RINO, anyone below 50 is a Democrat regardless of the letter after their name.

 

Also, as I said earlier, there are some bills that are so odious that if you vote for them you are automatically a RINO.

106 Public option is a red herring. ObamaCare in any form will destroy you. Why do you think it's 1500 pages?

107 So Joe Lieberman is from Connecticut, right?  Are there still a lot of insurance companies in CT?  Is this a principled stand on his part or something else? 

108

Joe is just looking out for the insurance companies headquartered in the State of Connecticut. That is evil.

Bailing out car companies to save union jobs, however, is God's work.

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How do you like the feel of that knife in your back, Harry?  Recognize it?  It is the one you shoved in Joe's when you refused to back him.

Payback is a bitch, Harry.  Better look out for other knives.

111

Harry Reid is a leader in name only.  He is so desperate for votes that I bet some senator could trade his vote for Harry to appear in the Capitol rotunda, at noon, wearing a Capt. America costume, and sing 'I'm A Little Teapot' with all of the dance moves.

Sing it three times.

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68 Joe is going to wake up to find a severed donkey's head in his bed.

Joe:  "Oh my!  That's where I put that!"

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I'd add Kent Conrad, plus add Jim Webb as soon as Virginia not only goes GOP, but in a landslide: McDonnell over Deeds by at least 10%, maybe more.

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