1 It'd be better to lose with a conservative and get a Democrat than wind up with another Olympia Snowe.

2 The last thing the GOP  needs is a more liberal version of Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins..

3 I understand where Newt is coming from... the only problem is that he's dead wrong on the NY-23 race and in general. The electorate is getting really really pissed and you don't get the votes of a pissed-off electorate by running candidates like Dede. Sorry Newt, you're torpedoing your 2012 chances (that is, if you're serious about wanting to run)...

4 proper knowledge of local issues

..."local issues" didn't used to be the right or responsibility of Congress. 

5 Welcome to the Church, Mr. Gingrich.  Don't make me sic Archbishop Burke on you.

6

What really confuses me is that it appears Hoffman now has a chance to win the seat! So, a republican will keep NY-23. Is Newt saying he would prefer a Scozzafava sort of Republican over a Hoffman kind of Republican? WTF!

 

7 I see great minds think alike.

8 where Scozzafava accepts the Margaret Sanger award

9 There is a big difference between 100% conservative and 15% conservative. If the Republicans have no standards at all then why should they even bother with having a party?

10 I can see NY-23 from my house!

11 Newt's body might be in Georgia but his mind is inside the Beltway.

12 Newts presidential ambitions are their last circle around the drain.

13 Newt Gingrich can kiss my ass.  He's all FOR purging Hoffman.

14 Newt uses the fact that the locals up there had Hoffmann "fourth" on the list as proof that he is right. I think it proves that "we" are right. That they had a chance to elect someone that resonate with voters. Newt never mentions that they rejected a primary race, fully knowing Scozz wouldn't win that primary.

Newt is a douche.

15

I can see NY-23 from my house!

Early thread winner!

16 But he defended those positions as in-step with her district

Then she will win, if not, not.

Soon, we'll know.

17 I've read some articles that think Newt's endorsement and continued support won't hurt him at all. I tend to disagree. I don't understand it and Newt has lost any future support from me (not that that means a whole lot but there you have it).

18 Liberals must have really nice cocktail parties to get once stalwart conservatives to flip like newt is doing.

19

Damn carpet munchers!

20 Every time he goes on TV he uses the same strawman argument of purging the party. No Newt, we know a hardcore conservative won't win in California. But if you won't give the base this district, just WHERE would you suggest the base gets a bone thrown to it?

Again, douchebag.

21 Its the finger sandwiches.

22

Oops. I mean "carpet baggers".

23 Newt lost me when he did that commercial with Pelosi and didn't end it by hitting her with a chair

24

Newt personifies exactly what is wrong the the Republician party/inside the beltway types.  He needs his TV facetime just as much as McCain.  If that means chummying up with Hillary or Pelosi then that's what he'll do.

He is just a forgotton politician trying to make himself relevant again. 

 

 

25 Its the finger sandwiches.

Newt must have developed a taste for poo.

26 22
Oops. I mean "carpet baggers".

Posted by: hillary clinton at October 27, 2009 12:20 PM (2qU2d)

Just a freudian slip, eh Hillary?

27 As a resident of a state (RI) that watched the RNC and RSIPC fund missingLink Chaffe, I am sick of beltway politics. Newt please step aside and let some people with spines take back the party.

28 It's not nice to fool Mother Palin

29 Fuck you Newt. Buchanan called you a Rockefeller Republican yesterday. Man, that's gotta sting, especially coming from a douchebag Nixon Republican who thinks Hitler was misunderstood.

30 I have asked this question in the past few days:

"If the Democrat Party wanted to run one of their own as an R in a Red district, just how much more perfect would Dede be?"

31 We are actually taking the opinions of a man that willingly calls himself "Newt" seriously.

32 Sockpuppet off, yeah I'm talking about you Newt!

33 Newt blew it on this endorsement.  That's alright.  He still gets props for "Drill here, Drill now" which was a pretty catchy phrase.  Hopefully he'll endorse better next time.

34 Hey Newt! Why don't you join your new friends nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Al Sharpton in a circle jerk. We don't mind, 'cause you don't matter.

35 Dede's Twitter feed thanks Susan Collins for coming out to campaign for her.  So it's OK for Mainers (Maine-iacs?) and Georgia boys to talk to upstate NYers...

(Poughkeepsie's "upstate"? Really?  It's a whole different world from Ogdensburg.)

36 Go away Newt, ya bother me.

37 Newt really needs to spend more time screwing co-eds who want their grades raised  in his introductory American History class at DeKalb County Junior College.

38 Give up, Newt.  Stop digging.  Start listening.

39 I think we can all agree that Newt did not get better.  (Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week be sure to tip your waitress).

Newt lost me when he did that commercial with Pelosi and didn't end it by hitting her with a chair

Trufax, that. 

40 What the hell has happened to Newt?

41 Money talks. Keep yours flowing to the causes you agree with.

And when the RNC comes begging for cash? Tell them, "No, sorry. All my extra cash went to Palin and Hoffman. I give to real conservatives, not power brokers who work against my interests."

42

How do you spell irrelevant in Georgia?

N_E_W_T.

43

What a stupid boring prick.

He just permanently tanked his sorry political career by opening his atomic-powered pie hole just one time too often, so this is really a good thing.

44 What the hell has happened to Newt?

He, like many others, has fallen in love with the little red light.

45 The reaction from the Faction in the district reminds me a lot of "You. Do. Not. Intimidate. George. Voinovich." Remember that, back during Scamnesty? He was referring, basically, to his own constituents.

So, no, We. Did. Not. Intimidate. You, Georgie Emptysuit. We retired your ass. See, he sent a New Year greeting/fundraising feeler around in early January 2008, and then about a week later announced he wasn't going to run in 2010.

A complete coincidence, I'm sure.

Of course, the powers that be (such as they be) here at the RINO factory in Ohio are preparing to try to saddle us with the gun-grabbing RINO turd Mike DeWine as the standard-bearer for Attorney General next year. The Democrat incumbent has a better gun-rights record than DeWine. So does the Democrat governor.

Go peddle your papers, Newt. The grownups are pulling into the driveway.

46 Okay listen you assholes. Do you have any idea how much money there is to be made in green stocks? Al Gore has made 100 million just sucking off the public tit with grants. Well, they won't earn shit without cap and trade okay?
If a candidate backs cap and trade then they are fine with me. End of story.

47 Newt's is drumming up biz for a new book he's more than likely writing. Being in the spotlight is good for his business.

48

Off topic

But Barney Frank really blows

49

 What the hell has happened to Newt?

Nothing. He's a piece of shit Rockefeller Republican who had a couple of good years.

50 didn't Newt screw up George HW Bush's re-election bid?

pot meet kettle...

51

You want a litmus test, do you, Newt? OK, howzabout this:

1. Do you favor high taxes?

2. Did you vote for the Stimulus bill?

3. Do you support Cap and Trade?

4. Do you believe in "climate change"?

5. Do you think the government has a right to your money and property?

If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, then you flunked.

52 Eye of Newt has gone from "Contract With America" to contract with the Devil.

53 anyone listening to John Gibson right now? I love how he allows the dumbass urban voters to call in so he could educate them and show us the ignorance and denial they have

54

Newt is all about Newt.  It's ego.  This isn't a hard issue to understand.

Does Gingrich want a solid conservative or a squishy abortion approving liberal Republican?

Then ask yourself WHY he wants the squishy liberal.

55 fucking Obama in FL today campaigning while troops die &  I sit here hoping to get a job

I can see why he's campaigning down here though already, he has a 45% approval rating down here, the state has an air to it like it regrets it's vote (I've met plenty of regretful Obama voters down here) and GOV. Crist has now turned on him running ads against Obama for his primary battle while Rubio gains. Crist himself took a little bit of a hit for being linked as an Obama loving RINO, but now that he's hitting Obama and throwing him under the bus, his approvals have gone back up to his averages of 60%. But the state as a whole has turned on Obama

56 It is a terrible idea to purge the party.

57

Newt is doubling down on stupid, when he shoud be hedging his bets and trying to avoid pissing off Hoffman too much.

In a couple of weeks, Hoffman is going to be a congressman.  Newt won't be running nothin' 'cept his mouth. 

58 I sure hope Newt is getting invited to all the right cocktail parties for selling his soul.

59

Dammit I wish Newt would stop talking about this race, and stick to the 99 out of a 100 other things he's right about.

60 And with that Im done with Newt. WTF happened to him?

61 Newt is really trying to defend himself on the shows, he's desperately trying to cling on to any relevance left in him (if any) as people come out and support Hoffman to basically tell him "Fuck You!". His buddy Hannity keeps protecting him by not questioning him on it though, protecting him as usual. Newt should stick to the History books...

62 Maybe Newt just wants to be the subject of T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII's next column.

He sure looks like the front runner right now...

63 What I found most ironic about Newt as he was interviewed on Fox was his assertion that non-NY Republicans should stay out of this as it was a "local" issue.  WTF?  Why the hell is he, a consumate Washington insider, telling others to leave it to the "local" decision makers?  Especially when it was the RNC (a national organization) backing Scofflaw (sp?).  I mean, what the f*cking f*uck?

64

40 What the hell has happened to Newt?

Who cares . . .

65

I could never understand how anybody could support Newt to begin with. Yeah, he had a great idea with the Contract With America, and helped put Billy Jeff over more to our side, but he has always been a self-serving RINO who has no morals and is always willing to suck the dick of the Dims. Goodbye Newt, you have now been banished to the trash heap of history. Say hi to Dole, McCain, Rockefeller, and hopefully Graham.

66 60 And with that Im done with Newt. WTF happened to him?

Posted by: lowfibass at October 27, 2009 12:34 PM (QkDpw)

Oh, Newt?  Don't have to worry about him no more...

67 Newt is all about Newt.

Bingo!

I stopped listening to Newt when he came out with the "we can solve it" schtick ("it" being a non-existent problem) with Pelosi.  Newt is the anti-Palin.

68 What happened to Newt? Simple. He is showing you the real Newt, rather than the conservative persona he put on to get ahead while in office. In other words, he's just another dirtbag politician who would say anything to get elected.

69 I'm from SoCal now so I won't meddle, but I did have a lovely view of NY from Lake Champlain back in my Vermont days so I think that warrants a STFU to Newt. 

70

I myself wondered how Newt got so far behind the curve of American mainstream thought as to sit on that sofa with Pelosi. It was then that I knew he wasn't relevant.

Now his desperation is really showing.

71 Goodbye Newt, you have now been banished to the trash heap of history. Say hi to Dole, McCain, Rockefeller, and hopefully Graham.

at least McCain & Dole were patriots when it came to service & sacrifice to the country, Graham though has really become more of a jackass

72 Conservatives - Please accept this giant wooden horse as my gift to you.

73

Newt was saying all the same shit on F&F yesterday. He said she was “conservative” on many issues and he and some of the F&F people tried to imply that this was one of those “social-con” things. He names a couple of things that he said she was “conservative” on and they were things that we had previously saw she was actually liberal on. In short he has become a lying Party hack.

 

And how about some of that real “irony”? He complained about the outside meddlers on Fox as well.

74

75

Posted by: YRM at October 27, 2009 12:38 PM (xNw7B)

I'll give them that but not by much. And Dole was my senator for years.

76 I'm so glad Newt stepped in it.  It will not be forgotten and he will never be a viable candidate again.

77

Is it possible that Scozzafava simply purchased Newt Gingrich 's support?

This is how I think the scam works:

1. Use your friends and connections to get party nomination.

2. Use newly acquired Party/PAC money to purchase the support of nationally known conservatives that are up for sale in an effort to whitewash yourself with legitimacy.

3. Claim you are the voice of conservatism, because if you were not, why would Newt Gingrich even support you?

Newt Gingrich is acting more like a paid employee in this ordeal, rather than someone who's just voicing their opinion.

78

Crist is all for crap n' tax so he too flunks the litmus test.  The fact that he ever carried Duh One's water is also a failing grade whether he sees the light now or not.

btw - fuck newt.

79 74 - keep it short, alright?

80

Honesetly, how many people would have even wanted to see Newt as a contender in 2012?

Me-glad he's showing his stripes now.

See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.

81

3. Claim you are the voice of conservatism, because if you were not, why would Newt Gingrich even support you?

Newt Gingrich is acting more like a paid employee in this ordeal, rather than someone who's just voicing their opinion.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at October 27, 2009 12:41 PM (H7Rlw)

Goddamnit! Newt has never been a conservative! He is in the same mold as Nixon and Rockefeller. His only accomplishment was restraining Clinton, and turning the 90's into pretty good years.

82

Oh yes the great brains leading mushy Moderates to nowheresville; no wonder they are terrified of Gov Sarah Palin, she is a constant reminder of how flaccid are these impotent pricks.

It is increasing obvious, people are fed-up with mushy Moderates muddying everything; Pelosi side-by-side-with-Gingrich indicates Moderates are so uncool and people are fed-up with these LOSERS.

 

 

 

Moderates, either take a stand for something or stick to your loser porn and get out of the way; you've become a drag and a bore.

83 Newt's right. The GOP needs to open its arms to homoradicals, baby killers, illegals, big government communists and envirowackos.  The party will die without them.  I know, I wrote a book on it.

84 A squish like Newt who betrays conservative principles for his own benefit could never get the nomination for President.

85

Posted by: Vic at October 27, 2009 12:38 PM (CDUiN)

he can find security in Hannity's show

Juan Williams tried to complain the Reps were not big tent allowing Dede S. in and the weekly standard guy basically skinned him live on TV and made Juan look embarrassed & w/ his head down

86 John Gibson is currently destroying the kool-aid drinkers. some douche from Canada called in w/ fake poll numbers & then started on some FOX tirade

87 Newt is sitting on a couch with Scozzy on the shoreline as the tide rolls in. Adios.

88 I'm with Davey Frum.  Now give me the Cheetoh's and ice cream.

89

There are not very many things that I would go “single” issue on but there are a few:

 

1. 2^nd amendment – if you believe in grabbin guns you are not a conservative – single issue no vote

2. Crap and tax – if you believe in the AGW scam and support the current crap and tax bill you are not a conservative – single issue no vote

3. Healthscam – if you support ANY version of the current Dem commie take over of healthcare you are not a conservative – single issue no vote

 

I can (barely) forgive some of them for the TARP and bailouts, but only if that is not routine. The porkulous bill is borderline single issue, voting yes on that with any other lib votes makes you a lib.

90 Here's a counter-question for ya, Newt. Who's a washed-up former Congressman from the South to tell the rest of the 50 states to tell us not to exercise our First Amendemnt right to kibbitz New York on its electoral choices?

91

Goddamnit! Newt has never been a conservative! He is in the same mold as Nixon and Rockefeller. His only accomplishment was restraining Clinton, and turning the 90's into pretty good years.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 27, 2009 12:44 PM (nxUYP)

You could very well be right, but he seems to be able to keep that charade going.

92 Drats!

93 Isn't Newt just following the party playbook?

I think this is a tough situation.  The local GOP did CHOOSE Scozzafava.  They scuttled the attempt to put it to a party vote of committeemen.  Newt is basically just saying the local party apparatus is good by him.

I would tread lightly in the district, but that's over now.  It's become one big clusterfuck with Kos endorsing Scozzafava for strategic policy reasons and not because he's a Democrat and sitting Republicans supporting the third party candidate that was rejected by the GOP.

The White House political operation is calling all the plays and Newt just runs into the line of scrimmage because that's what the safe play says.

94

Posted by: Meghan McCain at October 27, 2009 12:48 PM (ABrgj)

 

I really hate you, but I'll give you a Wal-Mart gift certificate if you let me stick my Dick between your tits.

95 Has anyone informed Newt that we are not looking for same old same old.  We're looking for change WE can believe in.

96

One last item. When there are national implications in the decisions made by any Congresscritter that directly affect me (like Cap and Trade, the jobkiller), you'd better damn well believe I have a right to "meddle". I want to know who contributes to your campaign and how you intend to repay them for their support. I want to know where you stand on every single issue and whether you agree with my views, regardless of where I live.

That's not meddling. It's responsible citizenship.

97 Is Newt saying he would prefer a Scozzafava sort of Republican over a Hoffman kind of Republican."

No ... he's saying he favors a liberal over a conservative. Democrats have infiltrated the Republican Party and are so entrenched they're running their candidates using our campaign contributions.

Wake up people. They're behind your lines. They're into your treasury.

It's time to purge the Newt Gingrich's from our party. He's fucking campaigning for a liberal against a Republican. He should be beaten about the head and shoulders from all quarters.

98 Two thoughts:

1.) I think I know what Newt's going for, wanting to get as many Republicans into the House and Senate by any means necessary to set up for post-2010, but it's way too short sighted, since a significant portion of the party, if not the majority, as well as "unaffiliated" conservatives strongly oppose Scozzofava.  He wants to build a majority, but didn't learn the lesson from 1994 that simply being Republican isn't enough if you want to pass actual conservative legislation.

2.) Is this really the hill that Newt wants to die on?

99 Newts presidential ambitions are their last circle around the drain.

Around the bowl, and down the hole, Roll Tide, Roll.

100 Damn you people. Go back to your shanties.

101

Goddamnit! Newt has never been a conservative! He is in the same mold as Nixon and Rockefeller. His only accomplishment was restraining Clinton, and turning the 90's into pretty good years.

No, I whipped everyone's ass into line in those years. I just knew I was more radioactive than Newt. So I let him be the front guy while I did all the dirty work.

You don't think they called me "The Hammer" because I was a friggin carpenter, do ya? 

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103 If Newt is knocked off as the leading squish, do I get to become the main squish? Well, until they find out about all my marital infidelities.

104

Posted by: Tom DeLay at October 27, 2009 01:03 PM (V9SYy)

how's that dancing going?

105

Dear Newt:

1.- If your opinion is correct, then I suggest the DNC stay out of it and no funds from out of state go to any candidate. Only New Yorkers can have any involvement or endorsement.

2.- Better get on board, because the game has changed. People are no longer blindly endorsing all GOP candidates. It's about issues now; can you imagine??

106 No ... he's saying he favors a liberal over a conservative. Democrats have infiltrated the Republican Party and are so entrenched they're running their candidates using our campaign contributions.
----------------------------

That's crazy talk.

107 I am not a politician, I won't ever take a political science class and I will never pretend to know what New Yorkers want or like.

As a "right of center" labeled person I become infuriated to see people like Dede S. tagged as a Rrepublican, Republicans IMHO are people of the mindset who start at the center and move to the right, Dede is obviously way left of center and maybe that is what New York wants.Hopefully the New Yorkers will pick the Democrat if they want left of center so that us Republicans don't have to suffer through humiliating shinanigans with Dede S. as we did with the gang of 7, the swindlers such as Lindsay Graham who are pushing the cap and trade nonsense, just to provide the swindlers with another cash cow or the Olympia Snow types who has never missed an opportunity to advance the left of center's agenda.

I'm not with Newt in the sense of being a seat counter, I would much rather have a person that fits the bill of what he/she is running as and take fewer seats for now.

The thing that Newt may want to ponder is that simple folks like me don't see much difference between the D and the R at this point in time, when you have Newt pushing for the wrong person for the wrong reason in simple folks minds and when we have Lindsay G. doing his new bit, it is almost as if the D or the R would rather be leaders in a much less free nation and are working behind the scene to come to the same conclusion............Less liberty and more socialism.

108 Umm... has Michael Steele weighed in on this race? 

What's Newt's job, anyway? 

109 Newt was actually inspiring at the NYC Tea Party on 4/15/09.  But really, anyone who (1) can couch (yes, a new verb) with Pelosi AND give credibility to AGW is pretty much politically DEAD to me.  AGW is an issue of science, and it is the hoax of our lifetime.  If you can't get that, how can you be trusted to get anything; the actually "brainer" things?

Now, if only more politicians would have the courage to LEAD, that just come out and say that Climate change (AGW) = global moron-ing.

110 All you need to know about Newt:

Right after Katrina he was on TV (Fox) bashing George Bush for not responding better and his big suggestion was a Marshal Plan for the Gulf Coast.  (For those of you too young to remember and poorly educated by public schools, the Marshal Plan was a massive injection of US money into the economy of war-devastated Europe, particularly Germany, in order to get their economy growing again.)

So,  a "Marshal Plan for the Gulf Coast" meant "massive federal spending.

Then Congress,  stampeded by people on TV like Newt,  passed that big Gulf Coast aid bill.  I am sure you all remember the gift cards used for booze and strippers, the people who weren't even from Louisiana or Mississippi filing claims, checks written to dead people,  etc.

So about 10 months later Newt is on Fox again,  commenting on the fraud and thievery, and you know what he said?  "This is what happens when the federal government tries to operate aid programs."

A complete 180 in less than ten months,  and with no explanation.  The only thing I can conclude is that in both instances, getting on TV meant criticizing Bush and the Republicans. In one instance for not doing something,  and the other instance for doing something.

He's an opportunist and media whore.  I ignore anything he says,  and have done so  ever since 10 months after Katrina.

111 Sounds like Newt's become one of those to whom "summer" is a verb.

112 Sam Adams, you'll have to take a number. I'm really popular giving it away and tweeting on it.

113 Newt needs to stick to writing alternative history novels (he's not bad at that) and get his punk ass off television. We've been taking shit off Rockefeller Republican country-clubbers for forty fucking years and look where it's gotten us.

114 Oh, let me say one other thing in relation to my post at #110:  If Newt still decides,  after this fiasco,  to run in the primaries,  I will personally make it my mission to get video of both of those statements on Fox,  and I will forward that video to every one of his primary opponents.

115 Poughkeepsie's not downstate anymore?

116 Looks like Newt is working on a "Conflict With America."

117 So when is it we can start hitting these RINOs and squishies with a damned stick?

118 Now let's stop trashing Poughkeepsie.  I'm warnin' ya!!  Do you realize Poughkeepsie can see NY-23 from the roof of the Poughkeepsie Grand Hotel?  (As an aside, the local democrats ALL have Working Families Party endorsements, but the county demo leader "...doesn't see that as a problem.  If you are uncomfortable with that, vote for them on the Independent line".  How about that?)

119

So fucking what if the local GOP picked a pro-abortion wildebeast?

Who the fuck is the local GOP and why do I care whom they pick,

Hoffman is clearly more consesrvative.

120 Newt hasn't been right about much since about 4 months after he was made Speaker of the House.  This is another illustration of that.

121 Newt Gingrich: Male prostitute.

122 I think Newt is fast becoming irrelevant in politics. Who gave him the right to be the sole judge of what's good for NY23? STFD and STFU Newt, your day in the sun is over.

123

Newt who?

Signed
Charles Gibson

124 Democrats have infiltrated the Republican Party and are so entrenched they're running their candidates using our campaign contributions.

Is there actual evidence of this?  I won't rule it out.  I know of a candidate in IL10 that is a Republican that the state party thinks has the best shot to keep the seat in the GOP, but the candidate they have in mind is a Dede Scozzafava.  What is different is the local party is saved by an actual ruling from the Republican voters in a primary.

I just don't know what to do if there is no primary to protect the party and they have to choose a candidate they THINK can win.

125

I'm standing on the top of Haystack looking thru my binoculars out towards Marcy and to my surprise I spot Newt on his way to the summit of Marcy...

  Oh wait, I could be wrong that probably never happened.    

126 Newt jumped the shark when he sat on the sofa with Nancy Pelosi to ply us regarding AGW.

Before I worry about money or any other issue, I worry about life, and Scozzafava is a committed “pro-choice” (i.e., advocate of legalized murder) candidate. Before people jump on me about being a single issue voter, I'm not, but I do START at abortion.  As has been stated here many times, government grabs power like a black hole, and a government that allows the culling of the most defenseless of its populace will be inclined to expand that power.  It's the real slippery slope.  As much as I have paying taxes, I hate being dead more, and I suspect I'd really hate being dead at the hands of my government.  So, to people saying "abortion is negotiable" and "don't be a single issue voter," it's about a lot more than abortion.  It's about euthanasia, population control, and the devaluation of life, which is one of the inalienable right enumerated in the Declaration of Independence. 

Newt doesn’t need to fade away, he needs to shut his trap and GO away.  He was a clever politician, but his dalliances and inability to adhere to conservative principles accelerated this country's turn left.  STFU already, Newt.

127 If people leave the country and take jobs overseas and other people move out of big cities like New York, then what will happen to NY State without the tax revenue?  Here tell that those making over 200 grand are high tailing it out of NY in particular.

128

how's that dancing going?

I'm on Injured Reserve. And F##K you!

129 Newt Gingrich has become the "conservative" version of Jesse Jackson. Want to meet Newt - show up with a television camera and a microphone and wait five minutes - he will be there.

130 Tom, thought you got a new job on millionaire?

131 Dammit I wish Newt would stop talking about this race, and stick to the 99 out of a 100 other things he's right about.

Yeah, like how "Pagans" are a super serious problem facing America today.

132 I tell you what, I am so going to make a killing with my new line of custom pitchforks and torches.

133 I'm divided on this. If New York is going to elect a pro-abortion, pro-tax liberal anyways, why shouldn't it be a liberal Republican? I think Gingrich is saying that a conservative can't win in New York because New York is extremely liberal. Demanding a conservative, or even a moderate, only ensures that Democrats will perpetually win.

Didn't Democrats take Congress by running moderate (as determined by their constituencies) candidates?

134 As for Newt getting a bit ruffled about folks from distant lands having an opinion regarding what type of Pubbie should be representing the 23rd, isn't that what the mega stars of journalism and D actors of our time have been doing for the conservative movement for, say, the past 30 years? (I realize that was a run-on sentence, but since you didn't have to read it aloud, you'll be ok)

135 Water skis, ramp, shark, Newt.  Some assembly required.

136

first of all, can we stop pretending Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich is from georgia? He's from Pennsylvania.

And second, this little troll is capable of leading the GOP over a frickin cliff if too many people listen to him. That global warming PSA he did with Nancy McBotox tells you all you need to know about this little fuck's squishyness.

137 If New York is going to elect a pro-abortion, pro-tax liberal anyways, why shouldn't it be a liberal Republican? I think Gingrich is saying that a conservative can't win in New York because New York is extremely liberal. Demanding a conservative, or even a moderate, only ensures that Democrats will perpetually win.

Didn't Democrats take Congress by running moderate (as determined by their constituencies) candidates?

Posted by: JohnJ at October 27, 2009 01:50 PM (zH/9w)

Dede is to the left of her Democrat rival and is replacing a Republican who is solidly center-right and consistently won by huge margins...

Compromising on a squish or a moderate is one thing. Dede is an arch-moonbat.

138

and this oily little Newt would gladly purge Sarah Palin if it was in his power to do so

 

so crawl back under your rock, ya fucken Newt

139 Newt doesn't get it.  Cole, Palin, Pawlenty, Thompson, et al can't MAKE the voters vote for Hoffman.  If Scozzafava better represents the voters, as Newt alleges, then they are free to vote for her.  All that the conservative national figures are doing is providing information so the voters can make a more-informed decision.  I'm not clear why Newt is so opposed to voters having information.

140 Newt lost all respect when he just started shilling for things... anything.  Especially if it involved his wife.  He's just as bad as the rest of the elitists in the Rep party.  Pander to the left instead of trying to strengthen the conservatives in the party.  He and his ilk are one of the main reasons I'm all for a new party (that I might actually join) that doesn't invite the whiners and does what it promises.  None of this wishy-washy bull that the current leaders espouse.

141 First of all, can we stop pretending Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich is from georgia? He's from Pennsylvania.

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I'm divided on this. If New York is going to elect a pro-abortion, pro-tax liberal anyways, why shouldn't it be a liberal Republican?

And, as Ace has pointed out, this district is a genuinely conservative one and not e.g. a liberal one in suburban NYC.

And, to support Jazz's comment, usually the pro-abortion types run by the GOP are RINOs and not libertarians, so voting for the baby-killers isn't (at least) getting you a fiscal conservative--it's giving you a social liberal and a socialist spender.

143 Wait a second, isn't Newt the guy who became speaker in 1994 by nationalizing local races and having candidates sign on to a strict limus test of various issues, ie the Contract with America?  What the hell?

Oh and the man is certainly not doing any favors by pretending the reason for this insurrection is simply abortion and gay marriage.  I guarantee that if that's all she sided with the Dems on no one would give a crap.

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 I'm divided on this. If New York is going to elect a pro-abortion, pro-tax liberal anyways, why shouldn't it be a liberal Republican? I think Gingrich is saying that a conservative can't win in New York because New York is extremely liberal.

Except for one problem.  NY 23 is not an extremely liberal district. I'm not even sure it's a liberal district.

145 Demanding a conservative, or even a moderate, only ensures that Democrats will perpetually win.

Obviously, you've never lived in upstate/rural NY or studied the demographics much or you wouldn't be saying such stupid shit.  There are large parts of upstate whose shores 1960's never washed up on, where the residents are every bit as conservative as Barry Goldwater was.

These same residents despise democrats and the whole greater NYC area and wish it would simply drop off the map.  You only need to go 20 miles outside liberal Albany to be in areas that are every bit as remote, forbidding, and populated with xenophobic hostiles as the cast of Deliverance was.  These people have no use for government, and liberal democrat government in particular.

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149 People who are not from New York often make the mistake that in thinking that the entire state can be compared to the city. It's a silly mistake to make...like people who think that if you're from Kansas City, you're from Kansas. Um...no.

150 People who are not from New York often make the mistake that in thinking that the entire state can be compared to the city.

151 30 I have asked this question in the past few days:

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152 Posted by: lonestar at October 27, 2009 02:22 PM (CrJQs)

hmmm well they were picking our candidates maybe they just deided to send in the boys and outright take over the republican party.  Nothing would surprise anyone anymore.

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 If New York is going to elect a pro-abortion, pro-tax liberal anyways, why shouldn't it be a liberal Republican?

False choice. And it would suck if Scuzzy ran in 2010 as the incumbent R. This is about sabotaging 2010. Scuzzy winning would be the worst possible result.

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It's a river, not a boner pill.

155 NY 23 is more than just upstate. Syracuse and Albany are upstate too but NY23 isn't like either Albany or Syracuse. There isn't a single large city in this district which includes most of the Adironack mountains. Unlike other areas in the nort east,  like Vermont and New Hampshire with their influx of liberals from NYC and Boston respectively,  NY 23 hasn't changed that much from its rural roots.

156 ....been said but ..

Newt Gingrich, the new McCain in '12.

Sigh

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158 #133: have to take issue with this.  As a nearly life-long Western New York resident, I can vouch for the presence of many conservatives here.  By the way, there is a Conservative Party in New York (alas, there is also a Liberal Party).  Both William F. Buckley and his brother Jim ran as Conservative-only endorsed candidates- William for Mayor of NYC (lost), and Jim for US Senate (won).  However, seventeen of New York's 29 congressional districts are in the NYC area.  Us upstaters don't get too much representation or attention, but we are here.

159 Wait, wasn't Newt mister "don't criticize Republicans and always support the GOP candidate?" What happened?

160 Newt, you dumb fuck, when you are in a hole stop digging.

161 #145 (And others) "Obviously, you've never lived in upstate/rural NY or studied the demographics much or you wouldn't be saying such stupid shit."

I truly don't know anything about New York's demographics or leanings, except that, as a state, they consistently vote Democrat. I wasn't trying to make a point about New York in particular.

But I'm inclined to agree with #139 OC Bill "If Scozzafava better represents the voters, as Newt alleges, then they are free to vote for her."

The best candidate who can win in a particular district is the best one to run. But not every district will support a Michelle Bachman (or whoever your favorite candidate is). But running a better candidate than can win is just giving the election to the Democrats.

162 But I'm inclined to agree with #139 OC Bill "If Scozzafava better represents the voters, as Newt alleges, then they are free to vote for her.

The point is she doesn't.  She's far more liberal than the popular Republican she's replacing.  There's no reason to run her as a tactical move.

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Not anything.

Do you understand yet?

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Goodbye, Newt, thanks for the memories.  No, really, get lost, you bother me.

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Niagara Falls?  Poughkeepsie?

Have you guys even looked at a map to see where NY-23 is?

Niagara Falls 230mi / 3.5 ours from Watertown, NY, and Poughkeepsie is 279mi / 4.5 hours from Watertown.

It's called geography, guys.

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John Boehner has all of the smarts and savvy and charisma of a limp, wet noodle. There isn't a single Republican in Congress now that has any style. They are all bland, void of any leadership skills. ..

For the time-being, let's concentrate on getting rid of unprincipled and ineffective, current Republicans, and let's replace them with some dynamic Republicans, preferably hard-core conservatives. There isn't one of them there now who has any potential. Not even one.

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