1 Why let the truth get in the way of a good slander?

2
How about that Axelturf puff-piece?  Saw about 3 seconds of that before I had to retch. 

3 It's being sent out for CBO scoring and will be unveiled later this week.

We should have the tally done by a week from tomorrow (Tuesday).  Our scientific notation expert won't be in until Thursday.

Cheers.

4 Health insurance is a series of tubes.

5 Our scientific notation expert won't be in until Thursday.

Cheers.
Posted by: Congressional Budget Office at October 26, 2009 11:43 AM (ruzrP)

Is that Charlie Rangle's nephew?

6 RACIST HATERS REFUSING TO EVOLVE AND LEAVE THE NAZIS BEHIND!

7

our oversight budget has been extremely limited.

And the solution to the problem is............more tax money!

Cause that has worked so well before (see. e.g., education, healthcare)

8 Why Health Insurance Profits are a Distraction From The Real Issue, Health Insurance Profits. Page 3.

Saw VI Slashes Conservative Healthcare Lies. Film Feature, Page 32.

International Perspective: What the US Healthcare Industry Can Learn From Angola. Page 33.

9

BBL.  Our doc is amputating my feet, and pulling all of my grandkids' tonsils and then adenoids. The Mrs. is getting her third hysterectomy.

Doc says there's a recession, and it's killing him.

 

10 Well, when history calls, it calls collect.

11

In other health care news...Medicare, which is supposed to be the shining example of how the government can run health care better than anyone is ripped off of about $60 billion a year in fraud

I pointed this out about a week ago. Obama complains of obscene health insurance company profits (2007: $13 billion; 2008: $7 billion) yet the FRAUD and waste in Medicare is 5 times higher.

Seems the problem with the health care system isn't profits but the massive mismanagement of government programs.

 

12 2.2% profit margain. Evil Capitalist. That was by far a much larger profit margain than my last movie.

13

our oversight budget has been extremely limited

--US Government Motto

14 Gee.  If the government sends a check within 15 - 30 days to basically anyone who sends them invoice, what could possibly go wrong?

15 I was on to this as a Dem tactic. They called the insurance companies "blood suckers" when they turn a profit of about 3 percent. Disgusting.

Meanwhile, last night on 60 minutes (I know, I seldom watch it) there was a lead segment on how easy it is to defraud Medicare, complete with an interview on a con who said he personally billed them for 20 million, and collected it, before he got caught.

Medicare actually pays the fraudulent vendors first and waits for the FBI to catch a few of them after the fact.

It was all being explained by a fat Federal ass in a swivel chair, of course, who said that that is the right way to do it.

Unbelievable.

16 These health insurance companies should invest in earth worm farms instead.  They'd make better profits.

17 Nursing Nightmare: Why Overeducated, Overcompetent Nurses Threaten Our Health. Page 2.

Do Deficits Matter? Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman Says No. Page 13. 

18

If the government sends a check within 15 - 30 days to basically anyone who sends them invoice, what could possibly go wrong?

Really, cause my last movie bomb. I've got alot of invoices I need to pay. Where the hell is my tab from Blimpies?

19 Oh oh oh oh can I bitch about dealing with Medicare now?  [I am going to bitch so y'all go get some Val-U-Rite and don't mind me]

As I've ranted before, The Firm is required to repay Medicare liens for clients once we get any type of recovery.  As in, there's criminal penalties if we don't.  Fine.  I have no problem from a public policy point of view in saying that if person A hurts person B and Medicare pays for person B's injuries, then Medicare gets the money back.  Seriously, that's fine by me and it's a policy with which I agree.

Getting Medicare to tell you the amount of the lien is like trying to pry drugs away from Keith Richards.  There was a time when I completely lost it at the person I was dealing with and started shouting in the phone "I have a blank check!  I have a FedEx envelope!  Just tell me what number to put on the check and I will FedEx it to you tonight!  For the love of all that's holy just TELL ME!"  Still didn't get the final number for another six months.

Yeah, I'm freaking ecstatic on the thought of having to deal with that for every single solitary case in the office.  Just.  Thrilled.

20

Anyone seen our Cash-for-Clunkers checks?

Do you think that we need to join a union? Can you recommend one?

21 For only 3% I'd keep the cash under the mattress instead.

22

But, let me be clear. We are going to get rid of all this fraud and waste when we pass Health Care Insurance Reform. And all of those savings are going to be used to fund my new health care programs. Who will be model on medicare and medicaid. I don't see a problem - its a perfect solution.

23

The Dems are out in force today with the full bore court press of the mega-lie. Obviously they are desperate.

24 Anyone seen our Cash-for-Clunkers checks?

Yea, good luck with that.  Don't hold your breath.

25 The inability to get an answer from Medicare is based on the inability of those Medicare bureaucrats to make a decision.  What does it matter to them if they give you an answer tomorrow or 12 months from now-they have a superlien, there is nothing you can do about it, they don't get paid extra for good service and why would the Government actually want to get its money repaid anyway. 

26 Anyone seen our Cash-for-Clunkers checks?

Do you think that we need to join a union? Can you recommend one?

Posted by: Auto Dealers at October 26, 2009 11:53 AM (UaSIe)

Yeah sure no problem. Me and my pal Jimmy Hoffa will meet ya in the parking lot of the Vince Lombardi Service Area in the Meadowlands. We'll take good care of ya.

27

 For only 3% I'd keep the cash under the mattress instead.

You're getting 3%?!!

28

Getting Medicare to tell you the amount of the lien is like trying to pry drugs away from Keith Richards. 

My last year as a trial lawyer, I stopped taking a case if there was a medicare lien involved. I didn't need the headache anymore. Feel your pain.

29 For only 3% I'd keep the cash under the mattress instead.

You're getting 3%?!!

Posted by: Rewrite! at October 26, 2009 11:55 AM (UaSIe)

You still have a mattress?

30 Comrades, this article is counter-revolutionary and racist anyone who has read it must report to Room 101.

31

and the resources that are dedicated to oversight and anti-fraud work.

The solution to this problem is, "Hire more Government workers for this." Because nothing says quality and accountability like a Government worker.

I reside in the Sacramento area. I know.

Government service is nothing more than welfare for the middle class.

32 Government service is nothing more than welfare for the middle lower class.

33 F.A. Hayek Was A Douche. Book Review, Page 34.

34

2.2%

 

*cough*unfair*cough*

35 $60 billion a year would rank Medicare Fraud as the 56th largest economy in the world.

http://tinyurl.com/2msrga

36

Health insurance & free black tacos for everyone!!!

 

37 One wonders what the profit margins are for George Soros, Hollywood actors, and "socially conscious" corporations like Ben & Jerrys, Apple & Google.

How incredibly warped is the thinking that it is more moral to be an anti-capitalist agitator than to be a part of slimly profitable industry that supplies a safety blanket for 85% of America against financial ruin in the case of catastrophic health issues?

38 One wonders what the profit margins are for George Soros, Hollywood actors, and "socially conscious" corporations like Ben & Jerrys, Apple & Google.

Kellogg, Brown and Root is the division of Halliburton that contracts services to the military in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Their margin is something like 3%.  Evil Halliburton, war profiteers that they are, tried to sell KBR, but found no buyers because it's a dog.

39

See you wingnuts keep bashing Obama for his plan to pay for Healthreform out of Medicare savings and but you admit that there is 60 billion a year that we can find to do this.  Wingnuttery.

By the way, anyone need a wheelchair scooter because we are offering scooters to anyone and if we can't get Medicare to pay you get it for free.

40 Insurance Co profits 5% or so, Medicare fraud 14% or so.  Lovely. Thanks Nancy.

41 One wonders what the profit margins are for George Soros

Still zero if you factor the humans that had to die because they couldn't lie as well as George.

42 BTW- What's up with the AP and 60 Minutes doing these kinds of stories on the eve of the health care showdown in Congress?

My take?  For months now, they've been trying to sucker Republicans into supporting this monster so the Dems wouldn't have to take the heat.  Most of it comes from the tactic of saying "It's about to pass with all of this awful stuff, you guys better get on board before the train leaves without you."

Thanks to the various protests, Republicans figured out (against their better judgment, I guess) that they were just fine with not supporting it, especially if it was going to be a backroom deal.  Most of Washington life is about getting access to the back room.

So, with there unlikely to be any real Republican support (even the Maine squishsters are backing away), the tax hikes and fines going into effect right away and the benefits down the road, the media is afraid this thing will actually pass.

If it does, you will see the feces hit the fan.  It's one thing to be hopey-changey, it's another thing to be hopey-changey in the face of a deficit that will come due in the future.  But when you get less for more, hopey-changey isn't enough to keep you happy.

43

As I've ranted before, The Firm is required to repay Medicare liens for clients once we get any type of recovery.

Alexthechick: personal injury? My condolences.

44 OT: Campaign Spot Reporting CFG poll showing Hoffman ahead in NY-23?! Woo Hoo?! http://tinyurl.com/yg23ouo 

45 All this really points out Obama's disdain for private enterprise. Even if the profits were only $0.01 they would still rail against it. Remember Obama said we need to "incentivize efficiencies by removing the profit motive." Yes, in Obama's world people and organizations become more efficient by removing the possibility of making more money then they spend.

46 "One wonders what the profit margins are for George Soros,......."

I'm not sure about profits, but I'm know the cost is his soul.

47 Lies, Lies Lies, Yeah.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA43ETEU1Vg

48

My last year as a trial lawyer, I stopped taking a case if there was a medicare lien involved. I didn't need the headache anymore. Feel your pain.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 26, 2009 11:56 AM (V9SYy

Now before you can settle any WC claims and in the near future, liability claims of people who are eligible for Medicare,  you have to obtain what is called a Medical Set Aside evaluation to be approved by CMS which holds part of the settlement in escrow to pay for any medical treatment related to the claim.  The cost of the evaluation can be between 1500 and 4500 dollars.   

49

Wow those numbers are crazy. If not for their scale, they would be considered weak is almost any other sector.

 

So in order to earn those 2-5 billion in profit, their costs are 98-95 billion dollars.

50 Yes, in Obama's world people and organizations become more efficient by removing the possibility of making more money then they spend.

When Duane "Dog" Chapman mates with Madonna to create a unicorn bounty hunting Kabballah Rabbi you are really going to regret not getting on board this crazy train.

51 #49: in fairness, while the % is weak, the size of the sector, and its nature are make them somewhat less weak; healthcare is sort of like a utility: it's not a product that will go out of style, and demand will not decrease; sort of like supermarket profit margins.

52 Beck had a caller who said "I'm just going to pay the fine and then when I need care I'm going to go to the hospital and they have to treat me".  It occurred to me that the health care bill isn't about helth at all.  Since there will be a fine if you don't take the insurance it seems to me that a lot of employers will just pay the fine and tell you to get your own insurance.  So this bill would be a huge revenue generator.  So it isn't about health at all, it's about making money to run the government.  Which is why they are so desperate to pass something, anything.

53 Afternoon M&M's,

Are we dead yet or is this bad dream going away?

54 You know who else makes 3% profit margin? Restaurants and food service. I don't think we'll see an expose on the huge profits of this industry. Not a high percentage of multimillionaires in this segment of the population. Just a lot of good folks, small businessmen who work really hard for their slice of the pie.

55

"Government service is nothing more than welfare for the middle lower class."

Two decades ago, I would have agreed with you.  Have you seen their "total" compensation packages lately?  I've general regarded govy emps as a type of affirmative action for the employable skill set challenged.

 

56 Well, when history calls, it calls collect.

I laughed out loud.

57 "BTW- What's up with the AP and 60 Minutes doing these kinds of stories on the eve of the health care showdown in Congress? "   Ratings. Cheerleading for Obama shrinks viewership and readership.   The AP needs to write articles that will get circulation. A dying newspaper business is not good for the AP. It is just a business decision.

58 It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medicationsomehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it.
Thomas Sowell

59 51 #49: in fairness, while the % is weak, the size of the sector, and its nature are make them somewhat less weak; healthcare is sort of like a utility: it's not a product that will go out of style, and demand will not decrease; sort of like supermarket profit margins. Posted by: ParisParamus at October 26, 2009 12:13 PM (1fwTy) Unless the Government were to jump in and open PX/Grocery Stores with no sales tax in the neighborhood -- I bet the Safeway manager might notice his store being out of style very quickly.

60

#38. Kellogg, Brown and Root is the division of Halliburton that contracts services to the military in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Their margin is something like 3%.  Evil Halliburton, war profiteers that they are, tried to sell KBR, but found no buyers because it's a dog.

That's why Halliburton is going to engineer the destruction of several US cities with nuclear bombs so it can then take over the whole country and generate all the money it'll ever need.  Haven't you ever watched Jericho? 

What a waste.  That show had great potential but then turned into an anti-military contractor screed.

61 So it isn't about health at all, it's about making money to run the government.  Which is why they are so desperate to pass something, anything.

No tax increases on anyone making less than...who am I kidding?

62 We just had a gulley washer come through here in the Texas pasture, supposed to drop down into the 50's tonight, oh woe is me hahahaha, anyway I'm glad the yard was mowed late yesterday after I watched my Cowboys whup Atlanta's ass, life is good. No neg. comments about the Boy's!!!!

63

a 10 year T Bill yields 3.55% today

are they trying to avoid the obvious link of the % of Medicare waste to the % of private profit, as though the only profit is the Medicare waste?

64

What are the largest insurers in america?

Aetna, Cigna. Blue Cross? who else?

If this thing passes they will make a fortune. All the small companies will fall by the wayside because they won't be able to compete with the economy of scale of the large companies

65 44 OT: Campaign Spot Reporting CFG poll showing Hoffman ahead in NY-23?! Woo Hoo?! http://tinyurl.com/yg23ouo 

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 26, 2009 12:07 PM (1fwTy)

Good sign.  Not too surprising since, ideology aside, Scozzofava is one of the most unlikeable candidates to come down the pike in a long long time.

I still want to know where they dug her up.

66 Everybody knows and has always known that government run health care would be a fiasco. The only question has ever been, can we get the public whipped up into enough of a frenzy to ram it through before anyone gets a look at it.

67

BTW- What's up with the AP and 60 Minutes doing these kinds of stories on the eve of the health care showdown in Congress?

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:40 AM That is the big story here, imo.   Somehow Free Rail Shipping for Everyone! hasn't become a political hot button. Hello??? Can you say "Hobo Magnet?

68 Government

A) runs an insurance scheme that routinely under-reimburses for care given to its patients (which results in cost-shifting to others),

B) requires treatment be given without consideration as to ability to pay (which results in cost-shifting to others),

C) prevents competition by barring sales of insurance across state lines,

D) ties insurance to employment through tax incentives,

and

E) provides an exploitable court system which allows for the legal industry to milk the medical and insurance industries.

So, the solution some people are pushing?

More involvement of the government that is screwing things up to begin with.

69 This is great, I love all of the previous unfounded claims of insurance companies making 80-150% profit..thats kind of close to 2.2%. They are all percentages after all.

70 Why Dede Scozzofava is the Future of the GOP. Guest Article by Markos Moulitsas, Page 41.

71 Odumbass lies, nothing but lies! Prez my ass, he wouldn't make a pimple on Ronnie's ass!!!!!!!!!!!

72

69 This is great, I love all of the previous unfounded claims of insurance companies making 80-150% profit..thats kind of close to 2.2%. They are all percentages after all.

Outcome-based math.  2.2% profit feels like about 80%-150% profit for the evil insurance companies, so it must be true.

73

#65  I still want to know where they dug her up.

Dr. Frankenstein's labratory?

74 #65  I still want to know where they dug her up.

75

19 atc  '"I have a blank check!  I have a FedEx envelope!  Just tell me what number to put on the check and I will FedEx it to you tonight!  '

i think i love you!!

76 O/T:  who is this idiot replacing Rush.?  Guess his job as assigned by maybe newt is to discourage anyone from voting for Hoffman in NY 23.  This is why I hate political parties.  The Republicans would rather shoot themselves in the foot than have a conservative win.  didn't Buckley win on the conservative line?

77 What's the profit margin for trial lawyers?

78 nickless, on average, not very high.

79 Un-prosecuted (or undetected) fraud is the wink-and-a-nod payback from Dems to their voters for the social programs they get. Once the system is gamed and no recriminations result, that defines the scope of the service, not the budgeted and approved parameters.

This explains ACORN, Medicare and any other corrupt organization...set up rules that sound reasonable, then break them without oversight/prosecution and scare your constituents into voting against anyone wanting to "reform" it by policing it better.

80 76,

I know I turned off the radio and put my TV on Fox, he is an idiot.

81

"Profits?"-Never heard of it!

"Fraud?"-Never heard of it!

"News?"-Never heard of it!

"Reporting?"-Never heard of it!

82 National Healthcare is the mother of all "If only we fully funded it..." government program, wherein full funding in the eyes of the leftist is 10x GDP (with enough left over to get themselves a nice sinecure and a corner office at some metropolitan hospital as the nth vice-departmental chair of government liasons to medical imaging at xyz hospital).

83

 know I turned off the radio and put my TV on Fox, he is an idiot.
Same here. I donated to Hoffman. Maybe a wake up call to the shot callers.

DO NOT DISCUSS FURTHER.

84

What a waste.  That show had great potential but then turned into an anti-military contractor screed.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at October 26, 2009 12:18 PM (9hSKh)

I may be wrong, but wasn't there some other theme?  Go on, say it.

85 You know what Opie says????    FORE!!!!

86

O/T   I'm sure all of you have heard liberal clowns claim that W spent his WHOLE time on vacation in Crawford.

CBS' Mark Knoller — an unofficial documentarian and statistician of all things White House-related — wrote on his Twitter feed that, "Today - Obama ties Pres. Bush in the number of rounds of golf played in office: 24.

Took Bush 2 yrs & 10 months."

87 76 O/T:  who is this idiot replacing Rush.?  Guess his job as assigned by maybe newt is to discourage anyone from voting for Hoffman in NY 23.  This is why I hate political parties.  The Republicans would rather shoot themselves in the foot than have a conservative win.  didn't Buckley win on the conservative line?

Posted by: curious at October 26, 2009 12:32 PM

Yep, I turned it off after he was saying that Dede was a "squishy moderate".  What a tool.  I'm waiting for Rush to come back tomorrow.  I'm sure Rush is going to get a lot of feedback complaining about this guy.

Say, you long-time listeners of Rush, whatever happened to Roger Hedgecock out of San Diego?  He used to sub for Rush quite a bit, but I don't think he's been on the show in quite a while, over a year or two in fact.  He's my favorite sub along with Mark Steyn.

88 "Hey why did you spend that $16 mil government allotment on a 2nd ambulatory campus with an olympic size swimming pool and private gym? Our pediatric ER is way understaffed and under resourced."

"Shut up. That's why."

89 I did not get to see the guy with two real, natural arms hanging off his shoulders who was billed for two fakes in the same billing. Bet he was shocked to learn .....not until he got his bill.....that he had lost his arms!  jsut a drop in the proverbial bucket of government inefficiency.

90

Pelosi's stated net worth in 2007 was 19 million

 

Where did that money come from??

Think about it LIBTARDS.

91

Rightzilla, Opie said that those 2 arm amputations netted the Surgeon 30 thousand each!!

92 Due to the fact it's raining today, I guess I'll drag out my guns and clean them *sigh, it does make me feel good all under tho'!!

93

the guy with two real, natural arms hanging off his shoulders who was billed for two fakes in the same billing...

I saw that. I'd love to be him and say shit like .."how can I cut you a check w/o fucking arms!"

94 Well, her husband is a millionaire real estate investor and you cannot ignore that......but you can remind everyone that she paid him out of her PAC funds.......

95 Where is this guy getting his "givens".  I'd like to let him know "we all DON'T love Newt"   I'm not a member of any party and get criticized for it all the time.  But, the republicans and democrats look the same to me.  And the republicans allow the dems to pick their candidates and issues.  So they are really like one big "old boys club" with different letters next to their names but with the same purpose.  To decide what is good for us whether we like it or not. (some exceptions do exist but they are few and far between)

96 No tax increases on anyone making less than...who am I kidding?
Fuckit, I'm going golfing.

97 Walled in hospitals. Heads of hospitals subject to political appointment. On site villages of serfs orderlies in trendy sustainable pre-fab buildings. Tenured surgeons. Rampant nepotism. Political rationing. Good morning communism.

98 This is why I hate political parties.  The Republicans would rather shoot themselves in the foot than have a conservative win.  didn't Buckley win on the conservative line?

The GOP nominated Scozzafava.  What can they do?  Just pull out now?  They have to support her.  Hoffman entered as a Republican too.  The local board did not select him.  They weren't confident he could win in a Cook partisan vote index district of +1 Republican.

Newt is taking the approach that the GOP needs to stand with the decisions of the GOP wherever they are made.

99

I guess I'll drag out my guns and clean them .

Since the ONT has turned into "recipe swap time"/sarc, I'm glad you brought this up. I had the boys (5&9) out shooting yesterday. I picked the little one up after am K-garten. Since he got a 100% test score (thnx Montessori), and it was nice out, he asked..."can we go to the farm..it's nice shooting weather?".   I got all choked up!

100 Back to NY23 elections  - I want Hoffman to win or at least put up good numbers, because he is conservative and a million times better than that idiot Republican candidate but also as a middle finger gesture to Newt and the rest of the stupid RNC party leaders.

101 95 Where is this guy getting his "givens".  I'd like to let him know "we all DON'T love Newt"

Posted by: curious at October 26, 2009 12:46 PM

I haven't taken Newt seriously since he bought into anthropogenic global warming.  This crap with Scozzofava just sealed it for me with not caring one whit what he has to say about anything anymore.  He no longer cares about conservatism or principles.

102 Newt is one of those guys like McCain, like Romney that I would never ever vote for.  So hearing that he might run for president tells me that BO will have a second term.

103

Insurance companies are notorious for massaging their numbers. They do this by "empire building", adding layers after layer of do-nothings, particularly in the executive suites.

But to bring thse profit figures into the realm of the normal, they'd have to "empire build" to the tune of about $10 billion. I don't think there are that many layers yet.

104 100 Back to NY23 elections  - I want Hoffman to win or at least put up good numbers, because he is conservative and a million times better than that idiot Republican candidate but also as a middle finger gesture to Newt and the rest of the stupid RNC party leaders.

Posted by: IC at October 26, 2009 12:50 PM

100% agreed.

105 Un-prosecuted (or undetected) fraud is the wink-and-a-nod payback from Dems to their voters for the social programs they get. Once the system is gamed and no recriminations result, that defines the scope of the service, not the budgeted and approved parameters.

Most of this fraud is in Florida.  My no fact check analysis says this is how the graft works.

Democrats get the campaign money from it.  Republicans get the statewide elected offices.  The parties split the Federal seats.

106 99,

I share your glee, my oldest just came back from hunting in Colo. bagged an elk and he said he only took two rifles, I had an "organism"! Hahahaha

107 By comparison, railroads return a 12.6% profit margin. Somehow Free Rail Shipping for Everyone! hasn't become a political hot button.

You obviously aren't hanging out with all the whining snot-nosed 5 year olds that I am.

Fucking brats!

108 Rightzilla, are you saying Pelosi is rich because of PROFITS?

109 What a waste. That show had great potential but then turned into an anti-military contractor screed. The writers were complete fools - all their heroes had to do get some DCAA or DCMC credentials and the evil contractors would have run for the hills with brown stains on their pants.

110 #102, since Romney has never worked in Washington, lumping him in with McLame and anyone else therein is not really accurate. 

111 'Nam Grunt ..His Elk fu is strong, that young one.

112 71 Odumbass lies, nothing but lies! Prez my ass, he wouldn't make a pimple on Ronnie's ass!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at October 26, 2009 12:28 PM (gS9C7)

The Left, since the Bolshevik Revolution, has been about deceit in their aims.  They are an "ends justifies the means" philosophy and so this is expected.

As the Democratic party went more and more left, deceit became more and more a part of their MO and the lies became ingrained in the culture.  Look at Breitbart calling out the Chomsky fan calling on the Republican line on C-Span.  This is not something that conservatives do en masse because we think it isn't persuasive.

The deceit is now in their blood.  They can't even pass a popular measure anymore without lying about it.  They don't persuade, they won't be honest.  A conservative will readily tell you that his good idea might have some flaws, but that it's on balance better than the current situation.  The liberal will tell you that you are wrong and a liar.

Obama -- a mix of the academic crypto-Marxist and the populist race-baiting Chicago thug culture -- is the worst.  His whole life is about wearing the mask.  All of his biographies are autobiographies.  Honesty is simply not an option.

113

"We may be No. 1, but there is sort of an insurgent quality to Fox News," said senior political analyst Brit Hume. "And that's kind of our attitude: 'Hoist a Jolly Roger, pull out our daggers and look for more throats to slit.' This is tremendous fodder for us. My lord, we've been living on it."

Hume is a Moron! Whoda thunk?

114 " 22

But, let me be clear. We are going to get rid of all this fraud and waste when we pass Health Care Insurance Reform. And all of those savings are going to be used to fund my new health care programs. Who will be model on medicare and medicaid. I don't see a problem - its a perfect final solution."

FIFY.

115 I fail to see the bellweather urgency of the NY 23 election.

Wow, a liberal might get elected in NY State.  Stop the fucking presses.

116 BTW, that profit margin in the railroad industry is what they use to fund their ongoing capital needs like replacing ties, buying new locomotives, and complying with Federal Railroad Administration mandates. Only a fraction of it goes back to the owners.

OBdisclaimer: I own some Norfolk Southern stock.

117 http://tinyurl.com/yjjxeon

118 hutch1200, my liberal neighbors are shocked my 5 year old can shoot - "without a scope, oh my"

119 Posted by: ParisParamus at October 26, 2009 12:54 PM (1fwTy)

Romney did well with the olympics but he totally screwed up health care in Massachusettes.  We need new blood.  If we don't have someone new, someone who isn't an old republican, the republicans will lose again cause president golf will pull out the internet brigade and the PR machien again and peopel will fall once again for hope and change and they will give him a second term.  Look Clinton got a second term and he shouldn't have gotten it.  That was when he and the boys and girls who represent us put into place all that nice legislation that paved the way for this joe biden depression.  People I'm beginning to think are basically stupid.  They can be manipulated.

120 Jean..I rarely let them use a scope. Usually bolt action only. For defication and humors, I let the shoot/blast off a 30 rd mag of .22's

121 Humana reported a profit/revenue of 3.5% in August (after they raised rates)

122 Liberals are little girls, they would be surprised if you slapped them, which I'm tempted to do when I confront one, it's because of their sissy parenting.

123

I'd like to invest in a company.   Does anyone know where I can get a 2% return on my investment?

124 I'd hold off until the Fed has to offer bonds at 4%.

125 Clearly, the AP has become a racist tool of Big Insurance. Can there be any other rational explanation? Queen Nancy has spoken the True Truth, and cannot be contradicted!

126 I say let's revert back to the American way, when you are sick go to the doctor and be done with it WITHOUT the Gov. involvement, dammit!

127 Guiliani was discredited cause he wore a dress on SNL.  Huckabee was discredited cause he was a man of God.  I mean the list goes on and on.  The republicans need a candidate that is a fighter who doesn't in the middle of the campaign announce that hsi competitor is a good man and will make a good president.  Right then and there he lost my vote.  I didn't pull the presidential lever and a lot of people were like me.

128 This Frankenstein's monster bill scores  an A- with us!

129 I don't even go to the VA anymore although it's free, maybe I will in 20 years when I'm 82, I don't want to take up a space in line from these Brave Men and Women that need it more!!

130 I'm starting to think that there actually will be a 3rd party, The Conservative Party, maybe that's what Sarah is shooting for, I'm all in if it is.

131 Well the little man has gotten the sticks out of they way so I can vacum the lawn. I told him we had to do the leaves 1st. Yes, gaia, I'm putting the simplicity 4x4 and  the leaf trailer online....Shit, he is trying to start the tractor. He really wants to get going!!

132

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That's my point. Years ago, you made up to $35,000 annually. Not bad, but not the way to get ahead in California. If both husband and wife worked for the state, you made it OK.

Now, they make $80,000 a year, and these aren't top level positions. My biggest beef is the fact that they are essentially paid for life. You get 3% of your GREATEST salary as retirement, along with benefits, for each year worked.

If I got a state job at 18 years old, I could retire at 51 with 100% pay and lifetime medical. By then, I'd have been making $90,000 a year, had my house paid off, etc.

FOR LIFE !

Not bad eh?

133 Just pull out now?  They have to support her.  Hoffman entered as a Republican too.  The local board did not select him.  They weren't confident he could win in a Cook partisan vote index district of +1 Republican.

They could have picked anyone but her, they didn't have to pick Hoffman.  I don't think it had a thing to do with ideology.  They cannot be that stupid or fearful that their district was so liberal.  She's to the left of Snowe and Collins, FGS.

She probably knew somebody who knew somebody who was owed a favor by the local NYGOP bigwig.  That is the only explanation.  We will find out soon, she will not win this race.

They don't have to "pull out now".  They can say that they love her, but they're not ready for a commitment right now and, gosh they have to go to work tomorrow.

134 Face it, the old vanguard of the GOP purged most of the viable national candidates ages ago.

As better as GWB is looking in the rear-view mirror (overall), it is a testament to how tired the American public was of Clintonian antics and how bad Al Gore was as a candidate that the son of the POTUS who lost after have something like an 85% approval rating after Desert Storm pulled off the "upset".

For 2012, we're looking at Huckabee (basically a EU-style Christian Democrat), Romney (a religious minority (it WILL be an issue) who now has MassCare hanging over him) or Palin (highly polarizing for better or for worse).

Have fun with that.  Unless you can somehow get a Fred Thompson or a Duncan Hunter through the primary process, that's your slate for 2012.

135 Hume is a Moron!

I do so love that man.  Seriously, mad crush time.

136 hutch1200, I only let him use a single shot .22 at this point - he has fired the 20g with help but it was too much.

137

Nam Grunt, is the drought still on down there. it is raining again, all day, all night, in dallas. i used to kid about an ark, but lately i am pricing wood.

i was at the farm in Praha (between houston and san antonio) this weekend, and it looked pretty damn green there. the stock pond was plumb full.

138 Now is not the time for profits.  Period.

139

@ 127

"I didn't pull the presidential lever and a lot of people were like me."

Ditto for me.  I figured the Dims would try to move so far Left, there'd be a serious backlash, sweeping them out over 2010 & 2012.  I thought a vote for McCain, would be a slower, very perceptible creep left, that would not only impose more of the Dim's agenda, but make it less likely to supplant them.

Still not sure if that's how it will work out, but I'm rolling to risk a lot, for a chance to win, rather than stand pat on a losing hand.

140

Now is not the time for profits.

Then 5 days before taking office, Obama gets a HALF MILLION book advance.

Someone explain that to me.

141 Thomas Sowell

Posted by: Pocono Joe at October 26, 2009 12:17 PM (DMr3v)

I'd crawl over broken glass and two sided razors to elect him.

142 I think what 60 Minutes did was un-American.

143 Yoou think it bad now, wait until Obama's people get a good grip on it, Obama's off shore account will grow because of unicorns and fairy dust.

144

"BTW- What's up with the AP and 60 Minutes doing these kinds of stories on the eve of the health care showdown in Congress?"

I thought the same thing. Kroft even asked timidly if we could trust the government to administer an even bigger program, like Obamacare.

I guess they're tired of looking like idiots next to Fox News.

145 "I guess they're tired of looking like idiots next to Fox News."

Way too late for that...

146 140 -- Well, profits for me, but not for thee.  Gotta bring home the arugula somehow.  Nobilesse oblige suckers!

147 Posted by: Techie at October 26, 2009 01:13 PM (cxW4X)
Funny thing is, the republicans don't see this, they think they have it covered.  President Golf and Vice President Depression will ride right back in and say "wow, what chumps, that was like taking candy from a baby!"

148

Can we review Opie the dimwitted nearly for real President's ideology?

Corporations whom normal every day Americans invest in SHOULD NOT BE PROFITABLE.

Opie the wonder boy SHOULD  PROFIT from book deals BEFORE he serves a GOLFER in Chief, he should get advances.

Sound moral to me.

149 "146 140 -- Well, profits for me, but not for thee.  Gotta bring home the arugula somehow.  Nobilesse oblige suckers!

Posted by: unknown jane obeemster at October 26, 2009 02:01 PM (5/yRG)"

You might want to add "taxes for you but not for me" to your thoughts.

Funny thing is that there are people in this country who make more than 250 a year and live in metropolitan areas and have kids who are barely making it and they are paying their taxes and doing their job every day even though they are scared to death that they will lose that job which will have the domno effect of them ultimately losing the house and the car and everything.  And they want to continue to tax these people.  Ultimately these people will nto being home enough money to support their existing bills anymore and that is when the fun will start.

150

  @132

Thanks for clearing that up.  Always good to find another aware of the Dim dominated government employee gravy train.  Can't fire 'em and otherwise unaccountable to boot.

151 Well, be fair.  Profit margins vary naturally by industry and over the economic cycle.  Grocery stores and most retail chains have very low margins, manufacturing tends to a higher margin.  I use Return on Equity to define an industry's profitability - it measure how much the business owners make as a % of the money they have invested.

Also, the 2.2% margin on health insurers is almost certainly depressed compared to long term trends because insurers INVEST the premium income until they have to pay on a claim.  And investment returns have been very low/negative for most asset classes over the last couple of years.  For health insurers, paying a steady stream of claims, I assume they tend to hold a lot of short term investments for the liquidity - and short term rates have been almost zero for a year.

That said, if you use ROE then it's easier to model flows into and out of the industry - if risk-adjusted ROE is higher in, say, health insurance, then more money will flow into health insurance, lowering the ROE to risk-adjusted norms.

Now the idea of setting up a government entity to compete with the private health insurers - to keep them honest - is just silly.  First of all, extra competition doesn't lower an industry's cost of doing business, it just depresses profit margins.  The value of claims, and the number of claims, won't change if there is more competition.  So a super-competitive health insurance industry would have, in the medium term, 0% profit margins - or, a 2.2% cut from today's pricing.  Any lower than that and capital/equity will flow out of health insurance, first into other insurance markets (because the big insurers usually have other lines of business they can emphasize) and then into other industries entirely.

Second, if the purpose of a government option is to promote competition, why not reduce the barriers to competition among private sector firms?  The fact that some states have very little competition in the health insurance field can be fixed at the state level. 

Finally, there's a lot of criticism over government competing with private industry because government doesn't have to show a profit and has access to unlimited capital through our taxes.  Fair enough;  the private sector can't compete in the long term with a government option.  But what critics have been missing is not only will the government plan have plenty of capital and no profit requirement, but IT WILL MAKE THE RULES, TOO. 

I just hope this whole thing fails in Congress.  First do no harm should also be the motto of government.

152 "BTW- What's up with the AP and 60 Minutes doing these kinds of stories on the eve of the health care showdown in Congress?"

Self-preservation.  Man's most basic instinct.  Even dogmatic liberal journalists must at some point admit that these disasterous policies will, in fact, effect them also.

153

"BTW- What's up with the AP and 60 Minutes doing these kinds of stories on the eve of the health care showdown in Congress? "

Because they know it is too late to efect the vote!

 

154

Another way of looking at these numbers is that the Federal Government spends more in ONE DAY what the entire health insurance industry recorded for profits for a WHOLE YEAR.

 

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