1 And I don't trust them to keep their word on any compromise they throw in to get squishy Repubs or blue dog Dems on board.

2 Aww why you gotta get bacons involved in that.

3
This compromise (read: bait & switch) reminds me a lot like the border security compromise. The Democrats will simply ignore these provisions or just strip them out later.

4
The Republicans think we're stupid, but they're the ones who keep getting rolled by their colleagues, the Democrats.

5

A shit sandwich, even with bacon, is still fundamentally a shit sandwich.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 01:09 PM

The Committee is pleased to announce that the Nobel Award in Physics is presented to............*drumroll*

Purple Avenger, for his discovery of something that bacon can not do.

6 Perhaps the Senate of Rome should have voted the Vandals and Goths out of existence?

The AGW Hoax and Reality are about to collide head on.

7 Apparently quality in watches, doesn't translate to quality in HTML-fu

8 These squishy republicans are too much!!  go away you goddam fools!

9
"People with empty checking accounts have very little tolerance for progressive social policy."
-Shih Tzu, Stuff Shih Tzu Said

10

The Democrats will simply ignore these provisions or just strip them out later.

That was my first thought.

11

Senator: Public option is close to gaining votes

Call, write and e-mail your representatives (all of their city offices); it's still August!!!

12 If the government would allow reprocessing of spent fuel (illegal since Ford/Carter), or the construction of more advanced zero-waste reactors (which have to go through an overly-tedious review cycle), we wouldn't have such a waste issue. Instead, the government discourages long-term contracts for power which favor nuclear tech, and allow only short-term contracts, which favor coal. Then the morons on the left complain about the heavy use of coal.

13

These squishy republicans are too much!! 

Palin and Beck are correct; Vote Conservative!!!

14 poop!

15 The AGW Hoax and Reality are about to collide head on.

Water temps off Florida were down almost 2 degrees this year.  A harsh winter in the north this year will make it pretty hard for a lot of people to keep believing.

16 Brief history of nuclear reprocessing here:
fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RS22542.pdf

17

#3

that's exactly what they will do...

lucy holds ball

charlie kicks ball

lucy pulls ball away at last second.

rinse and repeat

rinse and repeat

 

 

18
We gotta be more like the Democrats, obviously they're doing something right.

oh, and, What Up?

19 increasing the use of nuclear energy would make us more like the French. Is that something that we really want to do ?

Yes.

20 The French will always do what they think is best for them. Not a bad lesson to learn.

21 Nuclear technology (and high-speed trains) are largely American technologies. Our stupid government threw them out, and the French picked them up and perfected them. We developed the first nuclear weapon, and we were the leaders in high-speed rail until after world-war II.

22

I built reactors for two decades, and overall believe that they're very save.  However, I'm against building more because the security around them is a cruel joke. Seriously.

The lack of security at the one in Arkansas alone is an unbelievable cover-up of massive proportions.

23

McCain is the Republican dupe with the "Kick Me" sign on his back.

24 However, I'm against building more because the security around them is a cruel joke. Seriously.

Security you can fix by fixing it..  For Thorium or fusion it won't really matter from a public safety POV.

25 TOTUS is pretty tight with Exelon Corp.
he planned to roll this bribe out...
the Crown family will get richer while all of America is sent back to a preindustrial era

26 Seriously, what is the purpose of the Republican Party?

27
um, to be the Democrats' sidekicks?

28

I’ll just repeat what I said this morning on the ONT from the same AP article:

 

Nuclear Energy Becomes Pivotal in Climate Debate The Senate this week will kick off three committee hearings on legislation to cap greenhouse gases from power plants and large industrial facilities, with an intent of cutting them about 80 percent by 2050.

 

WASHINGTON - Once vilified by environmentalists and its future dim, nuclear energy has become a pivotal bargaining chip as Senate Democrats seek Republican votes to pass climate legislation. The nuclear industry's long-standing campaign to rebrand itself as green is gaining acceptance amid the push to curtail greenhouse gases.

 

They go on to describe what is wrong with Nuclear Power. LOL, “once vilified”… Does that mean theat the eco-idiots are no longer “vilifying” nuclear power.

 

As far as I am concerned they can take their “nuclear power figleaf” and stick it up their ass. (That is even though I spent 30 years in civilian nuclear power)  I refuse to agree to another big power grab and communist takeover for the sake of some cosmetic changes to nuclear power rules.

 

I hope no real Republicans fall for this ploy. Although, I am sure Newt will be right up there championing it from Nanny Nan’s couch.

29 The GOP will take the bait, yet  we'll never see a newly constructed nuclear power plant in our lifetime.

30

Security you can fix by fixing it.. 

How perfectly simple.

31 It's a shell game anyway.

They will pay to do some research Thorium reactors, but will never certify a single new power plant.

Republicans get NOTHING for voting with the dems for the next three years. What they should get is drummed out of the party when the 2010 nominations come around.

32 And even that assumes that any mention of fission research survives the Dem owned conference committees.

33

I'm against building more because the security around them is a cruel joke. Seriously

 

Sounds like a “concern” troll to me. As I said earlier I worked in the Nuclear Industry for 30 years. Included with that was a lot of work with Security, particularly after 9-11.

 

Unfortunately I can not tell everyone why you are full of shit…seriously. It is a violation of federal law to discuss safeguards information with people who are not cleared for that information and have a need to know.

34
Rewrite! isn't a concern troll.

Me, on the other hand?

I'm a concern troll.

35
I'm trying to help the Democrats!

36 Only a socialist would desecrate bacon's good name in such a way.

37

No troll here.

Unfortunately I can not tell everyone why you are full of shit…seriously. It is a violation of federal law to discuss safeguards information with people who are not cleared for that information and have a need to know.

How perfectly and pompously lame. Google News "Randeep Mann", multiply the seriousnes x4 IMO, and ask why no national MSM reports.

38

Rewrite! isn't a concern troll.

Thanks for that.

39
shut up, troll

40

41

Only a socialist would desecrate bacon's good name in such a way.

Could be from one of those fringe religions..?

42

What I see happening is more of the same crap that came down in the energy bill of 2005. Supposedly after the RINOs like McLame blocked drilling in AK and off the coasts they added stuff for “Nukes” then.

 

What they added was government guarantees for loans. A government guarantee for a loan even then was practically worthless. The utility would have to go bankrupt before the government guarantee would become worth something. Gee, that’s a real good incentive to borrow 2 to 5 billion dollars to build a new power plant.

 

If these assholes were serious about building more nukes they would reign in the NRC who routinely “invent new obstructions” with little or no basis in the real world. They would get the courts totally out of the process of licensing and limit the eco-idiots to one hearing in which everything was settled finally, not to be reopened.

 

Yucca Mountain would be reopened and enlarged as well.

 

Ultimately what they will do is make yet another offer which is nothing more than a fig leaf like the government guarantee and then throw nuclear power under the bus.

43 IF the bill said something like For every 4mw of new nuclear power approved and on line, 1mw of coal power could be phased out, then maybe.



On second thought, no.  The Democrats would figure out some way to screw the dumbass party out of the deal.

44 Quick!

Find out what Newt thinks!

45

How perfectly and pompously lame. Google News "Randeep Mann", multiply the seriousnes x4 IMO, and ask why no national MSM reports

 

Yes, I am sure I will get all kinds of “truthful” news articles and write-ups about security at nuclear power plants. The people who know about it can’t talk about it and you can never believe anything the news says anyway. Why don’t you reference wiki as well?

 

I will tell you (and everyone else as well), if a plant has any kind of serious problems with security they would be shutdown in a skinny minute. If they were unable to resolve those issues they would have their license revoked.

46 Randeep Mann

47 Okay. Who ordered the Shih Tzu sandwich with bacon? Orders up.

48

If it has extra, extra bacon, it's probably mine.

49 Even if the Democrats agreed in "good faith" (ritual clearing of mouth), their allies and masters in the eco-freak community would immediately tie any new nuclear facilities up in court for 50 years.

And the dems would be happy with that. They did their bit. It's in the courts. And we have no control over the courts.

50

Yes, I am sure I will get all kinds of “truthful” news articles and write-ups about security at nuclear power plants.

Just the opposite. This reminds me of Bretbart and O'Keefe; just laying out rope...

 if a plant has any kind of serious problems with security they would be shutdown in a skinny minute.

BS x10.  That one reactor, which could put a major hurt on our population and fould a huge portion of our country, has had more that one skinny minute. 

Their, and others, security folks were on the Net a few years back complaining about being understaffed, lacking in firepower, depending on locals for both -- and being forced to work 7/12's and worse.

 

51

If it has extra, extra bacon, it's probably mine.

What's better? Extra, extra bacon or thick sliced Canadian (bacon)?

52

BS x10.  That one reactor, which could put a major hurt on our population and fould a huge portion of our country, has had more that one skinny minute. 

Have you read your own articles in that link? I see nothing mentioned about security at a nuclear site.

53 Don't underestimate the power of bacon.  Look what it can do to liver and onions.  Until you've tasted a shit sandwich smothered in bacon, you haven't lived.

54

PIMF

55 Not that IO wopuld believe it anyway. As I said, the people who know can't talk.

56

so when will they pass crap and trade hmmmmmmmmmmmm by thanksgiving by tomorrow right now when the sun goes supernova in 72 billion months?

57

So in 30 years, we might have a couple of new reactors.

Paid for by what? We're broke now. By then, we'll be eating our kid's pets.

But don't drill in ANWR. That would actually make sense.

58 Just saw on drudge that the first daughters arn't vaccinated against the swine flu but the hypocrites want you to vaccinate your kids.  A lib said to me "well they are isolated in their environment so they don't really need to ever get it"  the article says they are not part of the population receiving the vaccination now but when more doses come in I'm busy making bets with my friends that they will never be vaccinated.  someone said "well, you know, he is making a decision for the whole country and mostly thinking about the poor".  A million excuses they have but ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

59

Have you read your own articles in that link? I see nothing mentioned about security at a nuclear site.

Yep. Has your security clearance (Ret.?) allowed you to read my posts and points?

"Nothing to see here, move along."  So said a number of reporters, even as more info, read FIREPOWER, was found/disclosed.  Even as his family was found to be involved, and many had already left for the badlands of mercenary northern India.

Note: Respect is a two-way street, and you've shown me none.

60

I called up several of the articles and they were all about a doctor who was caught with live grenades and no mention of nuclear power at all. They ALL appreared to be the same.

Physcian heal thyself.

61

What's better? Extra, extra bacon or thick sliced Canadian (bacon)?

Peameal back bacon. Thick sliced.

62

Just saw on drudge that the first daughters arn't vaccinated against the swine flu but the hypocrites want you to vaccinate your kids. 

 

ummmm there are guidelines for who should get the vaccine first, and they don't fit the profile.

63 "57

So in 30 years, we might have a couple of new reactors.

Paid for by what? We're broke now. By then, we'll be eating our kid's pets.

But don't drill in ANWR. That would actually make sense.

Posted by: TexasJew at October 25, 2009 02:32 PM (S/ijK)"

I asked a lib this morning several questions among them why the administration is stacked with young twenty and thrity somethings and then with old seventies hippies like anita dunn and her hubby.  I asked where are the people in between.  The lib said he didn't put them in his administration cause he wanted people who think like him around him and those are the young people.  The lib explained that "the old republicans and conservatives want to continue our dependence on oil whereas the young generation wants new technology and they don't want to continue the dependence on oil , they want electric cars.  Tried to explain to the lib that electricity is generated by natural gas and sometimes oil and they would not accept that.  They maintained that it is mostly hydroelectric power.   Tried to explain that it is nice to have young people who are eager and good workers but that you need old people who have a sense of history and experience.  the lib said "he knows how he thinks about certain things and does not want to be derailed by fighting with old guys in teh administration".  I said to the person, "so he only wants yes men and women so he can do what he wants".  they decided not to continue to discuss with me as I "would never understand."

64

I will say one other thing. I have read hundreds, and possible thousands, of articles in the news about Nuclear Power. None of them have been very accurate as to what they said or described.

 

That is a big NONE and most of them were not about security which I would not expect them to know about.

65 Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at October 25, 2009 02:39 PM (RMM1V)

I believe I said that that was what the article said, however, making bets they never get it.

66 "A shit sandwich, even with bacon, is still fundamentally a shit sandwich."

Not sure who coined the phrase "shit sandwich" but it has been passing the censors on all the cable channels in the last couple of weeks.  I guess it is the best description so they let it pass.

67

Sounds like a “concern” troll to me. As I said earlier I worked in the Nuclear Industry for 30 years. Included with that was a lot of work with Security, particularly after 9-11.

 

Unfortunately I can not tell everyone why you are full of shit…seriously. It is a violation of federal law to discuss safeguards information with people who are not cleared for that information and have a need to know.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2009 02:07 PM (CDUiN)

rewrite isn't a concern troll. he's nutty as a fruitcake, and he was righteously naughty with my name, but he ain't a troll.

68

Agent 00Vic could also tell us all about the suicidal fellow in Maine with dirty bombs if he didn't have dbl-nought security clearance to protect.

/

That one was covered up as well, but Walter Griffin of the Bangor Daily broke that story.  Mostly locally.

69

The problem is that everything takes time and individually will not solve the problem...

Drilling in ANWAR

Building Nuke Plants

Building gas/coal fired plants

Putting up freaking windmills isn't going to help anytime time soon and never replace fossil fuels.

We need to do all of the above NOW.

 

70

Agent 00Vic could also tell us all about the suicidal fellow in Maine with dirty bombs if he didn't have dbl-nought security clearance to  protect.

 

OK, now we are concerned about “dirty bombs”. What part of “new construction” did you work in? That wouldn’t be digging trenches with hand powered shovels would it?

 

You are correct. I don’t have any respect for you and this is my last response to you. You can’t argue with a creosote post and that appears to be the level of your knowledge.

71 BTW, speaking/snarking of wiki's.  wikileaks did its part to get the story out of Maine.  The feds poo-poohed the story in the Boston Globe, of course.

72

rewrite isn't a concern troll.

Uh, thanks for that.

73 Fossil fuels will remain abundant for centuries.

74

ummmm there are guidelines for who should get the vaccine first, and they don't fit the profile.

Exactly, this is an easy trap to fall into.

75 I actually think this is good news.  If Steve Milloy, author of "Green Hell," is right, then environmentalists want energy to be expensive so that our standard of living falls, and we have less effect on the environment.  ANY cheap source of energy, even if "clean," is still bad, because it allows us to expand our environmental footprint.  This is the real reason they so often oppose nuclear power, which they know would be a great solution to the "carbon" problem, if it exists.

So let the games begin.  Let them try to oppose this expansion of nuclear power in a bill to fight carbon, and see what kind of excuses they are forced to resort to.

76 We need to do all of the above NOW.

Figuring out how to re-cycle the CO2 from a coal plant to feed algae which then becomes a fuel source is kinda cool idea being tested with success.  But then I'm from Pennsylvania which has a couple hundred years of coal reserves. I also live in the 10 mile zone of a nuke, sleep soundly at night, but don't really think the nuke makes my utility bills much, if any, cheaper.

77

I called up several of the articles and they were all about a doctor who was caught with live grenades and no mention of nuclear power at all. They ALL appreared to be the same.

Your mind is made up, and the blinders are full on. ...but you can't talk about it.

He and the others had more than battallion strength weapons and ammo literally next door to the working reactor. He lives 800 yds away, and much of the munitions were buried at half that distance. Hundreds of loads of the same had come and gone; possibly to the folks in the sharia compound a few miles away in N. LR.

He is a thrice discredited doctor, and he and his father are weapons merchants based in Pak-India region.  Read mercenaries.

Nothing to see here.

78 The administration twenty and thirty somethings think climate change is a given, think alternative fuels are a given.  When you ask them to support it with facts they simply tell you they don't need facts "they just know, the feel it, they can see it by the change in months over their lifetimes".   Sometimes I just want to laugh right in their faces but they are so serious, I'm afraid they will start to cry.

79 Thorium is a Scandi myth.

80

00Vic

FOAD, expert (Ret.) who can't talk.

81

I built reactors for two decades, and overall believe that they're very save.  However, I'm against building more because the security around them is a cruel joke. Seriously.

The lack of security at the one in Arkansas alone is an unbelievable cover-up of massive proportions.

Posted by: Rewrite! at October 25, 2009 01:50 PM (UaSIe)

Dude.  You're glowing.  Have you considered another line of work?

82 I called my selected senator last month to ask which way she would be voting on this abortion and was told she didn't know.  Well this week she signaled her intent with this: http://tinyurl.com/yl7am8v

which has to be the most inane op-eds I have ever seen written by a US Senator.  Oh great, we'll have this great new commodity to trade while we destroy every other market in our economy.  Brilliant!!

83

BTW, speaking/snarking of wiki's.  wikileaks did its part to get the story out of Maine.  The feds poo-poohed the story in the Boston Globe, of course.

Posted by: Rewrite! at October 25, 2009 02:56 PM (UaSIe)

The magnets that United Nuclear sells are more dangerous than the radioactive samples they sold that guy.

84

Dude.  You're glowing.  Have you considered another line of work?

;^)

Made the move a few years back when the bottom dropped out of steel and nuclear industries.  Not nearly as accomplished as 00Vic, but I can talk about it. I'm a successful engineer/inventor.

p.s. is it normal to have kneenails?

85

The magnets that United Nuclear sells are more dangerous than the radioactive samples they sold that guy.

Spread some around your kids' sand box, did you?

86

Spread some around your kids' sand box, did you?

Posted by: Rewrite! at October 25, 2009 03:15 PM (UaSIe)

I've got an alpha source. When I build my cloud chamber I'm gonna include an M-80.

That ought to freak the Feds out, eh?

87 she signaled her intent with this Cap and Trade Could Be a Boon to New York The city is uniquely positioned to benefit from a global market in carbon emissions. translation: we'll get rich, screw flyover country

88 The libs will never allow those plants to be built.  Locally, we've been trying to get a desalination plant built for the last 8 years here in So Cal.  We're in the middle of a drought.  Farmers in the central valley have an unemployment rate of 40%.  Farmers are letting 1/2 their fields lay fallow.  Yet the environmentalists continually throw up road blocks to this plant.  The latest challenge is from one lawyer who's arguments have been thrown out of court on prior occasions.  He says he has no intention of stopping.

89

The magnets that United Nuclear sells are more dangerous than the radioactive samples they sold that guy.

So, why the denials, cover-ups, and press blocking if it's harmless?

90
We can always count on our own Vichy conservatives to stab us in the back. You can almost set your watch by it.

91

Currently 70% of our electrical grid is supplied from fossil fuels. Approximately 20% is from nuclear. The rest is from hydro and a variety of really small crap like solar, wind, and geothermal.

 

Obama wants to shutdown the 70% and place it ALL on that that currently makes up the smallest portion of our generation. He is either the stupidest person in the country or he is actively trying to destroy the country or he is simply inventing a new method of taxing everyone to death. Or in his own words, redistributing the income to his like colored buddies in the ghettos.

 

I go with the third option.

92

We can always count on our own Vichy conservatives to stab us in the back. You can almost set your watch by it.

As much as I'm starting to dislike this GCP-like 00Vic, that was harsh!

/

But I can't talk about it.

93 It's fairly simple.  If you don't want nukes, then drill and mine.  Everyting else is rounding error or an interesting R&D project.

94

Note that Obama also unilaterally shutdown work on Yucca mountain. So he thinks that is the first step in shutting down the 20%. The utilities gave up on Yucca Mountain years ago. One wonders if the utilities are still being required to pay millions every year in fees to the dept of energy for the construction of Yucca Mountain.

95 That ought to freak the Feds out, eh?

96

forgot to add -

If you don't want to drill and mine then you need nukes.

97

Put Michael Steele in one of those thorium reactors.

Maybe all that gamma-ray radiation will make his head mutate and he'll actually grow a fucking brain.

98 I go with the third option, boy.

99 The Reds will have us burning dried dung before this is over.

100

Put Michael Steele in one of those thorium reactors.

Maybe all that gamma-ray radiation will make his head mutate and he'll actually grow a fucking brain.

Not_a_chance.

101

Note that Obama also unilaterally shutdown work on Yucca mountain. So he thinks that is the first step in shutting down the 20%. The utilities gave up on Yucca Mountain years ago. One wonders if the utilities are still being required to pay millions every year in fees to the dept of energy for the construction of Yucca Mountain.

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2009 03:29 PM (CDUiN)

Obama did that to kill the nuclear industry by a slow death in a little *wink* and *nod* to the eco-weenie types. Sooner or later they won't be able to store waste on site and will have to shut down altogether. The Fed basically stole millions from the power companies that operate these plants. Not sure if there are any lawsuits currently pending.

102 TexasJew

103

Something else to think about. Under the absolute BEST conditions that we could possibly get from the commies we would have a one for one switch from fossil fuels to nuclear.  Think about how much it would cost to replace that 70% total of generation from coal, oil, and gas with nuclear.  We are talking about literally tens of thousands of new power plants that would have to be paid for, staffed, and manned with new highly trained workers.

 

Who is going to pay for all of that - the ratepayers of course. So even without the tax side of crap and tax, you would still see your electric bills go up by a factor of five or more.

 

And all for a scam that is based on the imagination of a bunch of loser idiots.

104

One wonders if the utilities are still being required to pay millions every year in fees to the dept of energy for the construction of Yucca Mountain.

Of course you collect the taxes. You alwasy collecte the taxes before paying on doing anything. That if the first rule of government.

105

We are the Saudi Arabia of coal. We don't have an electrical generation problem. That is, until the commies started their Global Warming shit.

We have a transportation fuel problem. That is, oil. The Feds have locked up tens of billions of barrels of it here in America, and with Ken Salazar, a registered village idiot as Interior Sec, we are locking up even more even as we speak.

106 FAIL, or how I learned to hate the bomb

107 99 The Reds will have us burning dried dung before this is over.

Posted by: toby928 at October 25, 2009 03:31 PM (PD1tk)

Remember, Reds are flammable. And great for heating up your S'mores.

108 Uh, yes, there is a Ken Salazar on the books, here.  Charter member.

109

The Fed basically stole millions from the power companies that operate these plants. Not sure if there are any lawsuits currently pending.

 

The utilities have figured a way around Yucca Mountain but it is more expensive. There have been several lawsuits over Yucca Mountain. In one the utilities sued because the project was decades behind schedule with no end in site and the utilities had paid millions on millions in fees to have it available. The utilities won that case. The government was told to proceed with Yucca Mountain or return the money. (That is why I was wondering if utilities were still paying).

 

The last lawsuit in a friendly court resulting in the judge ordering the dept of energy had to PROVE that the site would be “safe” for 50,000 years.  We only have evidence that humans have existed in North America for 10,000 years but they have to prove something for 50,000 years. I can tell you that you would have to look long and hard for an engineer who would be willing to sign a document saying anything would be safe for 50,000 years. Hell, I wouldn’t sign a document that said someone wouldn’t invent a perpetual motion machine in 50,000 years. That case occurred on Bush’s watch and I started having the feeling that his lawyers really did not want to win a lot of these cases. It gave his “liberal” buddies a fig leaf.

110

Vic,

you are a good man

 

111

Posted by: Vic at October 25, 2009 03:43 PM (CDUiN)

I can prove that Bush would be still considered stupid in 50,000 years.

By then, he will still be blamed for making it easy for a little commie prick like Obama to become President.

112   Ace, I usually hate doing this but there is a new front on the hypocrisy of Obama.  While O and his cronies, Sebellius et all demand and browbeat parents that it is irresponsible to not get their children innoculated for H1N1, the little princesses are not.  I am not a doctor and always believe that children are off limits, but not in this important case.  My wife is a teacher, in her district the ONLY exceptions to innoculation are egg allergies.  She is forced to get one! While I am not the Obama's allergist, if the daughters are not allergic, or have any other underlying medical conditions, it is outragious that they are not innoculated.  I guess under the Emperor, with a mandate from a heaven in his mind, his family members are more worthy than the rest of us peasants.  Any risk of the vaccination is unfortunately necessary, in an "epidemic" and "emergency".  It must be borne by all or none.  Everyone, myself and you included agree that he is a good father.  Unless their are medical considerations, egg allergies, something just does not square. Please push this issue. 

113

One other thing about storing spent fuel while we are on the subject of Yucca Mountain and the 50K years. I once read in a textbook on spent fuel reprocessing and storage that thrice burn spent fuel rods decay at a rate such that after 300 years the spent fuel rod would be less radioactive than the original Uranium that was mined to make them.

114 44 Quick!

Find out what Newt thinks!

Posted by: eman at October 25, 2009 02:16 PM

Nah.  More importantly, what does Meghan McBoobs think?

115

 there is a new front on the hypocrisy of Obama. 

ACE, not so fast. Don't get sucked in.

116 99 The Reds will have us burning dried dung before this is over.

Posted by: toby928

Burning dung has the added benefit of keeping mosquitos away since they banned DDT. Hey a tofer

117

Welcome to Govt Healthcare!

 

118 Morons in AZ - remember McRino is up for re-election next year.

119 I can't wait for all those Obama voters in the midwest to get a gander at their new heating bills. I know people that now pay $300 a month and they think it is reasonable.

120 Morons in AZ - remember McRino is up for re-election next year.

Posted by: rino reminder at October 25, 2009 04:00 PM (DIYmd)

If he loses, hopefully his daughter will finally shut her whore mouth.

121 In the linked article some nitwit was complaining of how nuclear was so much more expensive than other energy sources.

Not exactly.

Florida Power & Light is the new environitwit darling as it unveils its Desoto solar array - 25Mw over 180 acres at a cost of $150MM. Note that the best solar is 25% efficient.

Generation III+ reactors generate a little over 1500 Mw (at 90+% efficiency). So 1 reactor is the equivalent of 60 of the Desoto facilities. If you factor in efficiency, then you would need to have roughly triple the number of solar arrays to equal the power out put of 1 Gen III+ reactor.

So now we are at 180 of the DeSoto facilities. At $150 Million each, that is a total cost of $27 Billion. At 180 acres each, that also would account for 32,400 acres of land.

The cost of building one of these new reactors is estimated at about $10 Billion.

So which one is more expensive?

Also, the Gen IV reactors - like the sodium, or fast-neutron breeder reactors - being developed would be able to reprocess the spent fuel laying around and would keep us running for a long time.

122

I can't wait for all those Obama voters in the midwest to get a gander at their new heating bills.

 

All of that revenue coming in for the tax portion will be redistributed to the 47% who are not paying taxes now to help with their high bills. So a lot of the people, think the freeloaders who vote Democrap, will not be affected.

123 The money collected will be going overseas, not to the USA.
Perfect. Export our wealth through phony taxes.
I swear, it is as if we have lost all instincts of normal self preservation.

124

The cost of building one of these new reactors is estimated at about $10 Billion

 

If we were to do things I mentioned way back earlier we could build the current generation 1000 MWe units for less than 2 billion each.

 

rawmuse

 

The bill passed in the house mad eno mention of sending money overseas. It did provide for "assistance" to low income people.

125 I support a reactor that runs on liberals and other teat suckers. Why not? We seem to have an abundance of both. Let's start heating our homes with them.

126

DeSoto Solar Array?!  From a branding perspective, I'd rather we have Corvair Nuclear Plants. 

And once the rolling brownouts of summer 2010 occur, mark me down as a PIIMBY for the next nuclear plant built (if Obama wills it). 

127

It's all a political shell game, until we start starving and someone finally loses it.

We've forgotten as a nation how important our energy, economy and currency are. We're about to find out.

128 dude if this passes in 20 years[or maybe less] we will have to set ourselves on fire if we want to keep warm..............hopefully this this does not get passed

129

Have to go, wifey wants computer.

130

I swear, it is as if we have lost all instincts of normal self preservation.

It's like the stories about the shortage of flu vaccines. Why is there a shortage? I suspect it's because we must ship most of the vaccine overseas to the cesspools. Why must we ship vaccines overseas while our people go without? I know why, but you won't hear an explanation in the media. You won't even hear any questions about why there's a shortage.

131 the public option is gonna pass? oh hell no call your reps and tell them to vote no[it is useless for me because they won't listen]

132 Have to go, wifey wants computer.

Get her a laptop.  Except for the uncontrolled internet shopping, its the best investment ever.

The confines of the man cave remain unsullied.

133 my representatives don't even acknowledge that you sent them an email or a handwritten note.  They say people voted the guy in for health care to be reformed and people can't change their minds now.  To them, it will be a done deal and that is that.  But their insurance and the union insurance will not change.

134 Fuck. We're screwed.

135 Cap and Trade is a system in which if we want to burn fossil fuels, we have to buy permission from those who are not doing so. It will be a global exchange, therefore, I see no way that our money will not go to overseas brokers.

136 We are talking about literally tens of thousands of new power plants

How do you figure?

104 reactors produce 20% of US electrical power. 500 would cover it all.

137

70% of our electricl grid is made of fossil fuels

so they wanna shutdown fossil fuel power plants so if we are put through a brownout because of them we have them to thank oh and the 52.5% who were brainwashed into accepting this

138

or just shut down 70% of the power grid

139 Totally OT but whats up with this crap?! http://tinyurl.com/ylpzm85

140 "I swear, it is as if we have lost all instincts of normal self preservation."

The instinct of self preservation is also known as the fight or flight response.

Considering that there's really nowhere to run, until someone decides to secede, and that people get pissy when we talk about killing the traitors responsible for the situation, one can't exercise that response.

141 listening to the radio while watching the game.  some guy called up the talk radio program and said he went for his doctor visit and asked for the swine flu shot (yep  most people call it swine flu when they aren't on the airwaves or writing in the papers) and his doctor said "I don't know we have to check with the federal governemt and get back to you".  The host went nuts but the guy said to the host, and he sounded like an old guy,  "never in my life have I been told something like that by my doctor.  what does it mean?"  Could that be true?  Or was it just some nut calling and trying to create problems?

142

OT:

I'm watching an NFL game and then a FOX promo for Wanda Sykes' show comes on:    "Hey, America! Want a good time on a Saturday night? Check me out!"    I'd rather have my kidneys fail than to watch Wanda Sykes!

143

>They hope a compromises could bring along uncommitted centrist Democrats and some Republicans. Along with talk of opening more waters to oil drilling, support for nuclear energy is seen as the carrot that might attract Republicans.

 

It's easy for the Dems to offer 'the carrot' of more drilling and new nuke plants:

Because they know they can depend on the environmental lobby and its lawyers, along with liberal local judges, to strangle those babies in their respective cradles.

AND THE RINOS GET PWNED AGAIN

144 This is utter crap if Republican's think they'll get nuclear power out of this.  I'm sure they'll build the new reactors right after they get done building the fence on the border (that was promised too).

145 So, since there's a down period here at the site, why don't some of you crazies give Ace some cash.  Consider it atonement for your naughty ways here and costing him advertiser in the future.

That goes double for any Cowboy fans.

146 Is this the energy bill that will require anyone who wants to sell a house to make it energy compliant first? It's bad enough that you can't get your investment out of your house if you want to sell it.Now it could actually COST YOU MONEY to sell it. WTF is wrong with these people? 

147 The people who know about it can’t shouldn't talk about it

FTFY

148 Posted by: Editor,

Naughty offsets ?

149

The Democrats will simply ignore these provisions or just strip them out later.

That was my first thought.

Posted by: buzzion at October 25, 2009 01:42 PM (VKjQ2)

Even if they don't, what need will we have for new nclear power plants after what cap and trade will do to the rest of the economy?

150 Posted by: vivi at October 25, 2009 05:40 PM (TQtLI)

seriously?  Geez, everyone's equity is down by at least 20% so when they sell they have to pay the banksters and lose their seed money if they put their own money in the down payment.  So now you are saying they need to make their homes energy efficient by law?  So, even if you own a house built in the last 5 years, by today's standards it isn't energy efficient.  That means almost everyone is screwed.

151 This talk guy on the radio is saying that the government wants to make you only take three minute showers and they want to control it from the outside????  He is also saying they want to control the amount of toilet paper you use???  What??? are these people in DC nuts?

152 This talk guy on the radio is saying that the government wants to make you only take three minute showers and they want to control it from the outside????

He's probably referencing the 3-min. limit Chavez has instituted in Venezuela.

BUT, I'm sure this is the desired direction of the current numskulls in DC.

153 >This talk guy on the radio is saying that the government wants to make you only take three minute showers and they want to control it from the outside????  He is also saying they want to control the amount of toilet paper you use???  What??? are these people in DC nuts?

Posted by: curious at October 25, 2009 05:57 PM (p302b)

 

i think your talk radio guy may have had bourbon for lunch

154 ... and breakfast.

155

and seriously- you're listening to talk radio on NFL Sunday?

that's not a Man Card™ violation, but certainly questionable

156 Is this the energy bill that will require anyone who wants to sell a house to make it energy compliant first?

Higher energy bills aren't the only downside of cap-and-trade for Americans. The House climate bill also includes expensive energy-efficiency mandates. The bill would mandate increases by 2014 in home energy efficiency 50 percent above standards set under the 2006 International Energy Conservation Code. That standard would increase by 5 percent in 2017 and every three years thereafter until 2030. It would supersede state and local building codes and impose civil penalties for builders and homeowners deemed "out of compliance."

link

Still time to sell and move to Australia, mate.

157 That case occurred on Bush’s watch and I started having the feeling that his lawyers really did not want to win a lot of these cases.

That's because he couldn't find "nookyooler" in the dictionary, and so didn't realize what was at stake. Gotta love that 'compassionate conservatism.'

158

I RESPECTULLY REQUEST A SCUZZY vs. HOFFMAN THREAD.

All in favor say, AYE!

159 This talk guy on the radio is saying that the government wants to make you only take three minute showers and they want to control it from the outside????  He is also saying they want to control the amount of toilet paper you use???  What??? are these people in DC nuts?

Posted by: curious at October 25, 2009 05:57 PM (p302b)

Don't laugh!  The State of Kalifornia is running TV and radio ads regarding our water crisis and they "encourage" us to take 5 minute showers.

160

Don't laugh!  The State of Kalifornia is running TV and radio ads regarding our water crisis and they "encourage" us to take 5 minute showers.

Posted by: KLL at October 25, 2009 06:10 PM (/5Axw)

We understand the situation there, but let us please handle the issues on our own planet, first.

161 "155

and seriously- you're listening to talk radio on NFL Sunday?

that's not a Man Card™ violation, but certainly questionable

Posted by: Jones at October 25, 2009 06:03 PM (1cda"

Been watching football all day.  You don't need the sound on.  If I told you all the other stuff I've been doing you would get exhausted.  Haven't missed anything.

162

chris christie wants to give the wealthy a tax cut which will lead to more taxes such as property taxes being raised that is like saying if you oppose big government your for big government btw john corzine wants to tax all denizens of new jersey during a recession of all things

 

anyways they will probably pass it by christmas or earlier

163 Wait Jones, if you were talking to me, do you think I"m a guy?

164 the second part of my rant refers to the crap and charade thingy

165 "Schumer Predicts Dems Will Have the Votes on Health Care Reform"

166
What if Obama subs out the construction of a new nuke power plant to our new friends...

the Russians?

167

We can always count on our own Vichy conservatives to stab us in the back. You can almost set your watch by it.

I did and now my watch reads 27 o'clock. That doesn't make sense.

Oh, wait...

168

Don't laugh!  The State of Kalifornia is running TV and radio ads regarding our water crisis and they "encourage" us to take 5 minute showers.

Posted by: KLL at October 25, 2009 06:10 PM (/5Axw)

 

 

I SAID THREE MINUTES !! THREE MINUTES !!

169 Whew... something stinks in here.

170 O/T: Interview with Peter Schweizer, author of 'Architects of Ruin' at Powerlineblog.com.

Highly recommended. He refutes the current leftie theme that the housing collapse and subsequent recession were the result of capitalism failing. Great ammo for any discussion with your local lib-bots.

He also has an interesting coda that describes another bubble being created by the O Admin right semi-related to Crap n Tax.

171 Don't laugh!  The State of Kalifornia is running TV and radio ads regarding our water crisis and they "encourage" us to take 5 minute showers.

*sniff*

Yeah, I agree. A five minute shower should just about do it.

172

and seriously- you're listening to talk radio on NFL Sunday?

that's not a Man Card™ violation, but certainly questionable

Posted by: Jones at October 25, 2009 06:03 PM (1cda"

 

 

Your posting on a political blog and not even on the NFL thread. Just thought I'd mention that.

That is all.

173

165

Schumer has predicted lots of things but they  were wrong

174

So, the right gives in to dubious science that will cost all of us, except the illegal aliens, of course, more than any of us know and probably more than any of us can afford and they get nuke plants. 

With this hard bargaining that the repubs are doing on our behalf, I can wait to see our replica of the Kremlin on the Washington Mall in exchange for socialist health care.

175 #170., Iskandar, NARN I, and II (Ed Morrissey and Mitch Berg) do great, smart, often hilarious radio, and I recommend that everyone go to TownHall's site and subscribe to their podcasts.

176

And that whole 'net neutrality' thing that no one is talking about that is being sneaked in under everyone's radar - that is just pure red communism and will destroy American innovation and competivity if it passes.  That is the true wolf in sheeps clothing and should opposed as strongly as possible.

This country is just about all the way around the bend from being able to survive as a free country.

177

From someone calling ironically calling himself "curious":

This talk guy on the radio is saying

If you can't ID the "talk guy", and what station he's on --- shut the frack up!

 

178 some guy on ABC online last name Jacobs.

179 "Getting back to my B of A card, I have NEVER been late on a payment in 10 years (until last month). I have always paid more than the minimum (until January 1st). BUT, my interest rates have inched up and up in the last few months and then, BOW! I tried to use my card about 3 weeks ago at the grocery store and it was denied. Needless to say, I walked out without the food. We don’t waste anything, not money, not food, not heat or lights, nothing, but we are going down fast. The good news is that my husband got a job this week (at a much, much lower wage) and will finally get a pay next week after almost 10 months. The bad news is that B of A is killing me and will ruin me soon. I sent them a “token” $10 payment on the $450 monthly that I owed. The payment was on time, but the $10 sure didn’t make them happy. They slapped a “LATE FEE” of $39 even though my “payment” was not late AND of course the dreaded overdraft fee of $39. Yesterday I got a statement from them saying that my next payment due 11/11 is $950. I can see the snowball at the top of the hill ready to roll. What do I do? Do I revolt and refuse to pay? Do I keep sending them $10 as a promise to pay? OR do I write Kenneth Lewis and say I want some of their TARP/bonus money back so I can apply it to my B of A account? It’s not fair, although I know we lived off our credits cards and much of what I owe is money that I spent on essentials, BUT, the ultrahigh interests rates combined with their slap-on-every-extra-fee-we-can mentality is outrageous. We have worked all our lives to have and keep our excellent credit ratings and now all that is shot."

180 íîâîãîäíèå ïîäàðêè äðóçüßì , î÷åíü õîðîøèé ïîäàðîê.
ôîòîýïèëßöèß áèêèíè è íîã.
è äðóãàß 'gbkzwbz è ãîðîñêîï äëß ðûá.

181

÷åíü õîðîøèé ïîäàðîê.

You don't say.

182

All in favor say, AYE!

AYE!

183

John McCain, Lindsey Graham

ITS A TRAP!

184

÷åíü õîðîøèé ïîäàðîê.

You don't say.

And  ãîðîñêîï äëß ðûá. to you too.

185

Nothing brings the pain like clicking on a .ru link.

I figure that by now, the Russian Mafia are probably selling nuclear suitcase bombs to Iranian agents using my name. The NSA just intercepted the communications and as I type this, I expect that the FBI has my house surrounded.

All because I clicked on a damn .ru link. 

186 Anyone have any stats about the amount of bleed-off that we currently have on our electric grid because of non-insulated lines? When I was writing software for geo-mapping utilities, I recall a number around 20% while taking an internal course, but it was so long ago that I just can't rely on that memory.

187

BREAKING NEWS:

Ballon Boy's father, Richard Heene, still not as bad as George W. Bush!

NYT OpEd: http://tiny.cc/2AaSw

Mainstream media has now graduated to WTF media.

That is all...

188 Frank Rich is, hands down, the individual I am most likely to punch in the face.  Especially given the recurrent, unbearable photo.

189 Anytime the libs push a concept that appears to embrace some aspect of market economics, you can be certain that they are doing it to destroy some aspect of our market economy.  See "Cap and Trade."  See also "Choice" and "Competition" in health care reform.

Can anyone else think of any off the top of their heads?  Morons?  Morons?

190 #189, net neutrality fits...

191
Let me guess, Jim: It says, "At least no one died when Balloon Boy's dad lied."

Amirite or amirite?

192
Mike Bell > Reggie Bush

193 191
Let me guess, Jim: It says, "At least no one died when Balloon Boy's dad lied."

Amirite or amirite?

Posted by: Tweet Phillip Sousa at October 25, 2009 07:22 PM (9X3KM)

Right enough! Apparently George W. Bush invented the entire concept of lying.

The Colorado balloon may have led to the rerouting of flights and the wasteful deployment of law enforcement resources. But at least it didn’t lead the country into fiasco the way George W. Bush’s flyboy spectacle on an aircraft carrier helped beguile most of the Beltway press and too much of the public into believing that the mission had been accomplished in Iraq.

194 Anyone have any stats about the amount of bleed-off that we currently have on our electric grid because of non-insulated lines? When I was writing software for geo-mapping utilities, I recall a number around 20% while taking an internal course, but it was so long ago that I just can't rely on that memory.

Posted by: UGRev at October 25, 2009 07:14 PM (uhjTJ)

If you believe in that, then let me tell you about the increased temperature of the earth.

Insulation has nothing to do with it.  Ohm's Law, however, is still in effect as well as the rest of the physics that it is based on.

195
I dunno, maybe we shouldn't run George Bush in 2012.

What?

196

Many of those viewers were driven by the same bloodlust that spawns rubberneckers at every highway accident: the hope of witnessing the graphic remains of a crash, not a soft landing.

 

I call bullshit on Rich the demented douchebag that he is. Everyone I know were horrified thinking about a child being in that balloon and were praying for his safety. Its Rich and his compadres in the msm that wanted the thing to end in tragedy so  it would drive the 24/7 news cyle and give them something to talk about other than his floundering messiah for the next three months.

He is the exact jaded pos lusting after tragedy porn he accuses everyone else of doing .

197 Jim in San Diego -

Thanks for the link, which I repeat here for emphasis:

NYT OpEd: http://tiny.cc/2AaSw

Frank Rich is an incredible buffoon.  The fact that some people read his shit as though it were serious thought is remarkable.  The only explanation that I've ever read that truly made sense of this phenomenon is here:  Stoned Libs

- Z as in Jersey

198
yep, Frank Rich is also on my People I Want To Punch In The Face List list.

199
oddly enough, Balloon Boy is also on that list

200 Can we get a new post on the resurrection of the public option?  This is now looking scary-true.

201 Frank Rich is an incredible buffoon.  The fact that some people read his shit as though it were serious thought is remarkable.  The only explanation that I've ever read that truly made sense of this phenomenon is here:  Stoned Libs

- Z as in Jersey

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at October 25, 2009 07:32 PM (kZT4X)

"Conservatives are gearing up to do battle with an army of statist fascists, but we are really up against Cheech and Chong. Obama is no Stalin, or even FDR. Face it, he’s Jeff Spicoli."

I don't know. All of the stoners I have met have been on the 'nice but goofy' side of life. Leftys always seem to have an underlying punitive streak in them, that when left unchecked, seems to end in death camps and genocide.

202
wooo hooooooo!

Geaux Saints!!!

203 Conservatives are gearing up to do battle with an army of statist fascists, but we are really up against Cheech and Chong Cass Sunstein. They'll find ways to kills us with plausible deniability.

204 Can we get a new post on the resurrection of the public option?  This is now looking scary-true.

FTFY

205 I'm sure the Dems will shake their heads sadly when the Sierra Club or some other group of enviro-nuts successfully sues to stop construction of all the nuclear power plants in this 'compromise'.  "You can't stop the will of the people," they will say. 

I loathe the GOP, almost more than I hate the Dems.

206 well, he started out asking if people wanted Sarah Palin to tell them who they should vote for and that fell flat, no one called him.  so he is back to discussing what he knows best, the banksters.  If you aren't sure what is going on with that, this is the guy to listen to.

besides, batchelor follows at 9.

207   Being a fan of a football team that plays on a Sun night and being, if only for the short time it takes to find the remote, subjected to Olby, the dung beetle is akin to torture.

208

Many of those viewers were driven by the same bloodlust that spawns rubberneckers at every highway accident: the hope of witnessing the graphic remains of a crash, not a soft landing.

Agreed, Blazer. Anyone with a heart and sense of compassion would be hoping and/or praying for the safety of the child. This just displays and confirms the darkness that permeates the left. These people are mentally disturbed and they revel in it.

209 Many of those viewers were driven by the same bloodlust that spawns rubberneckers at every highway accident: the hope of witnessing the graphic remains of a crash, not a soft landing.

Projection, its not just a river in Egypt.

210 What, no new post? How about "Iowa Man Punches "Zombie" in Restaurant Attack"? That's a story at Fox News and I immediately wondered which moron was responsible. Russ in Winterset?

211 Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 25, 2009 07:58 PM (P33XN)

now, see i thought of a funny joke "no new post for you", you know like the soup guy from Seinfeld and I was going to change my name to read post........  But, then I realized as funny as that was, some ninny would come along and say it was racist.  So instead, I had to only describe it and it won't ahve the same impact.  And honestly my funnies are not like you guys they don't come so easily.

212 @194. I don't purport to be a physicist or electrical engineer by any means. I just wrote the software that mapped the utilities and needed to take a class in order to help facilitate the development of the required features and to understand the features and why they were needed.  I just had to go with the flow, you know? I just recall that they mentioned  bleed off. If you have any evidence to the contrary, I'd gladly re-educate myself as I've done numerous times over the course of my life.

213 A liberal shit sandwich, even wrapped with bacon, is still fundamentally a shit sandwich.

Found a corollary to teh new rule.

214 now, see i thought of a funny joke "no new post for you", you know like the soup guy from Seinfeld...

WHAT?!  Soup GUY?!

It's  Soup Nazi!  No TV for you.

215 Insulation has nothing to do with it.  Ohm's Law, however, is still in effect as well as the rest of the physics that it is based on.

If it was that simple, terms like corona breakdown wouldn't be in the lexicon...

216

General Patton and Mark Levin demand that you get off your ass, and take this country back! IS THIS STILL AMERICA?!! http://is.gd/4BwFb

217 Anyone have any stats about the amount of bleed-off that we currently have on our electric grid because of non-insulated lines?

Zero due to lines being uninsulated.  No insulation would have the dielectric strength to hold up at the voltages and temperatures those big line run at anyway. 

There ARE however significant losses in the 10% range due to the resistance of the wire itself.  Additionally, the poco's string small wire and run it scorching hot.  Hot wire == greater resistance.  It reduces their initial installation cost, but robs them of efficiency every year down the road.

218 I spent the morning at church and the rest of the day at work.  Obama & company are still dismanteling the country.  Shoulda stayed at the mall.

219

Is this still America?

Well, actually, no. Its not.

When an unabashed socialist dumbfuck know nothing, do-nothing loser with a talent only for talk can be elected with 52%,  based mainly on his promises of government supplied goodies in the form of health care, tuition, day care, bailouts and "stimulus", we are clearly not in America anymore.

We're in Europe, or worse.

220 As far as the security of the reactor in Arkansas... It's pretty much a given that every houshold within a 300 mile radius of the plant has at least one and probably several 30-06 or equivalent, so Hali/Muj better watch 'his own self'.

And using my Obamatlas I can't seem to locate Arkinsaw anywhere near Kentucky.

221 "Stoned libs" .... Wait just a damn minute there hoss .
We stoned conservatives ain't gonna take the rap for this litany of leftist failure . Although , most of us needed to get pretty hammered to pull the lever for McCain .
 Palin being an ex stoner  helped , too .
Uh ,,,, what were we talking about ??

222

Speaking of Mark Levin, I finished Liberty and Tyranny a few days ago. Great read! Unfortunately, I'm straight up retarded when it comes to numbers so "On the Free Market" kind of left me in the dust. The rest of the book was spot on for me.

223 If America is going to transition to an electric automobile fleet and maintain the carbon position then nukes are the only near term solution.

224

225 Chinmerica????  Americhin????

226 Anyone have any stats about the amount of bleed-off that we currently have on our electric grid because of non-insulated lines?

Zero due to lines being uninsulated.  No insulation would have the dielectric strength to hold up at the voltages and temperatures those big line run at anyway. 

There ARE however significant losses in the 10% range due to the resistance of the wire itself.  Additionally, the poco's string small wire and run it scorching hot.  Hot wire == greater resistance.  It reduces their initial installation cost, but robs them of efficiency every year down the road.

If you can get the wires cold enough there's no resistance.

Now we just have to move all the wires to the North Pole before Global Warming sets in.

227

Chinmerica????  Americhin????

Americhin sounds better.

228 Sinomerca

229 If America is going to transition to an electric automobile fleet and maintain the carbon position then nukes are the only near term solution.a

Methanol from coal is also viable.  The LPMEOH synfuel process directly produces very dry (i.e. directly burnable in an engine) methanol.  The gasoline gallon equivalent cost for LPMEOH produced methanol is around 1/2 that of current gasoline prices.

Methanol is mildly acidic and will attack aluminum over time though, so certain aspects of engine and fuel systems need rework to function with it reliably over long periods.  All the issues are very tractable and can be dealt with using current manufacturing methods/process.

DOE had a pilot plant built and running and detailed the results in a 2005 report.  Why nobody moved forward on this rather than keep pimping the failed ethanol boondoggle is a mystery.

230 Can anyone explain the lack of love for propane conversion or dual-propane/gasoline setups.  Seems like the best solution: no performance penalty, propane distribution network exists, and it is good fuel for generators, heating, cooking, and hot water heaters.

231 Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 25, 2009 08:51 PM (Q5Xez)

They hate coal.

232 Naturally, all the usual suspects on the Republican side (i.e. McPain, Lindsey "doormat" Graham, and the rest of the compromise cabal) are involved in this betrayal.

It'll be just like the border fence; they'll make a lot of promises, and if it passes they'll go through the motions for a while, then any progress will come to a complete halt.

233 "NY23: Ordinary Americans Make Miracles Happen — Start Doing What You Can!"(via michelle malkin)

234 224

You don't say!

235 Frank Rich is, hands down, the individual I am most likely to punch in the face.

I vote for Paul Krugman.

236 What is the loss of microwave power transmission vs hot wires or the cost of cold (super conducting wires)?  Just wondering.

237 Reach higher guys, Soros needs a nice right cross.  (Right before his ex-KGB thugs beat the tar out of you.)

238

What is the loss of microwave power =small.

micro=small

wave=cool

239 The Tiny Ballerina needs to be punched too.

240 wave-waves back

241 #235, Rich is smugger,¹⁰ perhaps because he claims savoir over a broader range of things; not just one field, i.e., economics. And he gets a national audience, e.g., on Imus (which I rarely listen to anymore, except when Bill Bennett gets a bit tedious.

242 Generation, and transmission is not the issue. Global shift in power is the real issue. The technology is here and ready to cope with our energy needs. Our un-representative gov needs to be un-elected and maybe we can make some progress in terms of sustainable clean energy.

243

and seriously- you're listening to talk radio on NFL Sunday?

that's not a Man Card™ violation, but certainly questionable

Posted by: Jones at October 25, 2009 06:03 PM (1cda"

 

 

Your posting on a political blog and not even on the NFL thread. Just thought I'd mention that.

That is all.

Posted by: Blazer at October 25, 2009 06:30 PM (AoS9J)

 

you'll see me on the nfl thread as well

find somebody else to fuck with

 

244 IIRC a recent announcement by a Japanese firm that had developed a co-generation sized pebble bed reactor.  If that turns out to be feasible it could flip the equation.

245 Cool Reactor Design

246 I'm sorry, but there hasn't been a new post since 1:00pm EST.  As an occasional poster, I want my free ice cream, and I want it now.

Also, to quote the post-modern philosopher Homer J. Simpson, "Be more funny!"

247

find somebody else to fuck with

Them's fighting words.

If it helps, I'm watching a DVR'd Antiques Roadshow from San Antonio on PBS.

248

you'll see me on the nfl thread as well

find somebody else to fuck with

 

Posted by: Jones at October 25, 2009 09:30 PM (1cda

 

 

Lighten up Francis. I didn't invent irony, I was just pointing it out.

249 Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at October 25, 2009 09:41 PM (I9Jek)

Hmmmmmmm

250 OK AOSHQ junkies ONT is up

251 229:
Seriously we can build a small nuke plant right beside every large scale coal generating plant.  If sized properly much of the coolant system can be reused for the nuke and the transformer stations are already in place.  Then build a coal to methanol plant right beside the nuke plant.  Just run a gas line to the methanol plant and a stainless steel line back to th nearest refinery or fuel terminal.  The coal delivery rail and handling system is mostly in place.

We reduce our carbon footprint (it seems important to some) by not burning the petroleum that is displaced by the methanol.  American coal miners keep their jobs, nuke plants are constructed at lower than normal cost and the fuel can be blended into normal refinery output.  We have coal. We have gas.  We have Uranium.  Win Win Win.

252 It's a stop gap measure but it would buy us a century or so before some exotic energy source is available and is much more reliable than big stinkin fans although they have a smalllll place as well.

253

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I know I'm late to the thread, but I wanted to comment on this:

(The administration twenty and thirty somethings think climate change is a given, think alternative fuels are a given.  When you ask them to support it with facts they simply tell you they don't need facts "they just know, the feel it, they can see it by the change in months over their lifetimes".   Sometimes I just want to laugh right in their faces but they are so serious, I'm afraid they will start to cry.) (#78, "curious")

It reminds me of a quote from Kipling:

'The jackal was born in August,

The rains came in September.

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He said, "I can't remember."'

255 Can these RINOs get anymore gullible?  Why support a compromise that would result in more spent fuel not being stored under Yucca Mountain in Nevada?  Libs take it to court, get it stopped, and "oh well, we tried."

I have never met a liberal smart enough to win an argument without lying or name-calling, yet these guys get snookered all the time.

256 Two more advantages to the coal/synfuels plants: American technology, massive employment increase, and WE QUIT SENDING MONEY TO SAUDI ARABIA.  Wait, that's three advantages.  To reiterate: it's win, win, win.

257 Just out of curiosity, why did they burn BO in effigy in Kabul?  Did they do this to GWB too.  Ratigan was saying tonight that we really should get something back after all the money we've spent on these two wars and that the dolts aren't asking for anything.  GWB didn't ask and Bo hasn't asked.  Ratigan said they should just take all the oil.  Guess they had a better PR campaign using American libs real well and acusing GWB of only starting the war for oil, thus preventing him from taking it outright, despite the money spent, lost and freely given away.  Guess the Nobel peace prize is similar to the "only started the wars for oil thing".   Guess we need better worldwide PR.  If you can listen to batchelor and Ratigan you should ...fascinating shows.

258 My guess is these RINO clowns think it will be easy to legislatively eliminate the crap and tax and end up with a decent nuclear energy policy, but not easy to add nuclear energy with crap and tax in place, plus they just want to do something to get attention... 

Mostly, it seems like these RINOs are lonely and just want their time in the PRESSSidential petting zoo, perhaps to get some control in how moderate campaign contributions are spread around in the upcoming election cycle.  Recall McCain's goal of 'redefining the GOP'...   This may be part of that effort.  

Again, the real problem here seems to be having Senate RINOs chairing something more important than the dog catcher committee.   Committee assignments ought to be made according to adherence to grass roots base and expertise first and senority last.

259 My guess is these RINO clowns think it

My guess is these RINO clowns really don't care about anything very much.

FIFY.

260 Something needs to be made clear about RINOs/Moderates.  You don't get to be one by having "moderate" views; you get to be one by having no strong views on anything.

Example: someone who is pro-choice on abortion, and anti- crap+trade.  Are they a a moderate/RINO?  No, they are a conservative, but not a "social conservative."

Moderate/RINO is not a location on the political spectrum; it is a description for simply having no clear views on anything; it's being nowhere.

261 This morning on CNN the libs/dems were waxing poetic on what they believe is the only kind of republican party which will fly with average Americans.  Funny but I sensed a sense of fear when discussing how the "right wing conservative base" of the party insists on running the party into the ground.  When I mentioned this to my friend's dad he said that he saw it too and that what they were describing was the democratic party of old.  I was like really?  how far left has the democratic party drifted and the life long dem said "too far".

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Why not? The engineer has a lifespan of say 100 years. As long it seemed a reasonable proposal to say last 1000 years, the engineer would be long dead and no one would care by then.

264 Oh, and the GOP are clueless to help pass Cap and Trade. They should simply come up with a Contract with America II that would promote a ton of growth and shrink government.

They can show their "green" by advocating a ton of nuclear power in that contract.

Also, should have a payroll tax cut - we care about the working man.

Drill and mine: high paying blue collar jobs...plus taxes and royalties to hard hit states.

This is not that hard to do, and make it positive.

Oh, and the GOP should say, no Cap and Trade, but instead do a Carbon Consumption Tax that would be levied on imports as well as domestic production. Make sure our companies can compete on a level playing field.

265

Well I see this thread continued long after I left. As for the question involving “insulated lines” there are no losses due to that. There are losses due to resistance of the lines commonly called I2R losses (I squared R).  These losses are compounded by the fact that most of the heavy loads are reactive which increases the current in the lines.  These losses are minimized by running high voltage which reduces the current. When the reactive loads get too high most utilities have some type of load they can place in service to such as capacitor banks that will reduce the reactive and bring it back closer to true power.

 

As for all the “new types” of reactors like the small pebble beds, the Mk IV etc. We really don’t need them. Both Westinghouse and GE have advanced systems already designed and most important of all, pre-approved by the NRC.  That will greatly shorten the licensing time provided the interveners can be put to bed.

 

As I said very early in this thread, until that is none I don’t expect to see much in the way of new construction. The interveners cause interminable delays in licensing which adds tremendous cost to the project. The anti-nuke idiots know this and the laws in this country are written such that they can sue and halt all they want with no fear of any cost what-so-ever. I would say that toward the end of all the construction back in the 80s at least half the cost of any new plant was incurred due to interest accrued from delays caused by the interveners.

 

BTW, this is also why no new refineries have been built in a while.

266
Which is worse, the halt in construction of nuclear power plants & the shrinking of the industry, the running up of the deficit & tarp, or the carbon hoax resulting cap in trade?

267

Like Vic said, the real power the anties have is holding up construction by introducing endless lawsuits that delay construction and run up costs. Look up Marble Hill that was being built by Public Service Indiana about 20 miles from where I grew up. You can still see the ruins of the almost completed site. Also see Long Island Lighting Company's Shoreham facility.

The NRC also screwed PSI by changing design requirements mid-contruction after of TMI and the Browns Ferry fire.

The plant I work at has a section that has been shutdown since 1974, and had the first commercial contruction permit from the AEC, circa 1955. It was originally a Uranium-Thorium converter, and operated that way for at least one cycle. The fuel was apparently shipped off to the Feds to be reprocessed, but no one seems to know if it actually happened.

268

The NRC also screwed PSI by changing design requirements mid-contruction after of TMI and the Browns Ferry fire.

 

LOL, the NRC screwed every plant in the country after Browns Ferry and TMI. The Appendix R regulations written after Browns Ferry were implemented and we were building mandated mods for them before the NRC finished writing the.  This resulted in us having to go back and tear half of the mods out and perform a do-over.

 

Those same Appendix R regulations are the worst regulations ever implemented by the federal government.

 

As for TMI the regulations that came about after that were much more far reaching than Appendix R but they better written. My personal opinion is  that the TMI regs actually did some good, particularly in  the training, design, human factors, and procedures arena.

269 My plant still has huge challenges with the NRC and App R, since we were completed before all the the train separation rules were implemented.

270

My plant still has huge challenges with the NRC and App R, since we were completed before all the the train separation rules were implemented.

 

There are very few plants in the country that were completed after the train separation rules were implemented AND none of them were actually designed with those rules.

271

BTW, most plants in the country have a lot of problems with App R. As I said, it is the worst written regulation in history.

272

BS x10.  That one reactor, which could put a major hurt on our population and fould a huge portion of our country, has had more that one skinny minute.

Question: Do the French have great security? They have more nukes and more Muslims in a smaller country than we do.

That said, I'm all for nukes and for more security.

That also said, the #1 move we could make to improve internal security is to curtail muslim immigration. The #2 move would be to secure the southern border.

 

273 That also said, the #1 move we could make to improve internal security is to curtail muslim immigration.

the truth hurts. What do they bring to the table?

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