1 Ironic when TV inadvertently satirizes their Dream President.

2
Gonna check it out now.

brb

3
Heh,

Reporter: Any questions be for we go on the air ?

Visitor: Just be sure not to ask anything that would paint us in a negative light.

Reporter: excuse me ?

4
Is this a remake of the mini-series with Luke Perry?

5 Change the title to "O".

6
If I remember, didn't someone look at one of the alien rocks? under a microscope and discover a bunch of tiny organisms...

with teeny tiny little faces...

and they actually looked back at the woman at the other end of the microscope?

7
Or am I remembering a dream I had about lab-coat-wearing-midgets?

8
oh, okay, so it's The 4400 + Lost + Melrose Place + West Wing.

9
ah, and they got Michael J. Fox's stunt double to star in it.

10 Back in the early Eighties V was on when the Celtics were battling the Lakers.

Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Alien lizards.

Awesome.

11 I so much want this to be good that it almost certainly will suck.

12 O/T:  Was reading about the Boston Ballroom debacle as regards Patrick's second term and it suddenly occurred to me that they ahve two choices.  Either they can make sure he has a second term even in the face of his apparent unpopularity or they can avoid the issue entirely and pull him from the governorship into the White House.  I think they will do the latter.   He's an attorney right?  They can make him second banana to Eric Holder and help him avoid the embarrassment and the prez avoid the embarrassment also.

13 Does the Gilded Wookie have a part in this series?

14 I don't really like shows

I guess we'll be going then.

15
Is this a remake of the mini-series with Luke Perry?

oops, that would be Invasion (1987).

16 So when does the guy who played freddy krueger show up?
He was a good gekko in this, wasn't he?

17 What's this? An Ewok that doesn't care for sci-fi?

18 So when does the guy who played freddy krueger show up?
He was a good gekko in this, wasn't he?

Posted by: flashbazzbo, s.o. at October 24, 2009 01:27 PM (VzKkh)

I hope he's in it.  That would be pretty sweet.

19 And Micheal Ironsides with hair.
Maybe Gary Cole as well?

20 Yeah, Editor, it would be.

21 I like V.  It reminds me of my daily unheralded struggle against the GOP and conservatives, all of whom I know to be secret racist anti-vaccine creationists.

22

This series has to be better than Flash Forward. Talk about suckitude, there's not one character that the audience can relate to or even like. It's way too heavy on the "interpersonal relationships" and light on the main storyline, which makes it essentially a soap opera.

Meh.

23 Dig that Seventies Jazz/Soft-Porn music at the end. Whacka-whacka

24 Not sci-fi shows... they're always, what's the word, teh ghey.

Firefly is the only one I can think of that I liked.

I really hate all the amped-um draaaama in them and I hate even more the pretentious but stupid Big Philosophical Questions they purport to explore.

Movies are different because generally they're just thrill-rides. Episodic sci-fi tv always seems embarrassed of itself, and so endeavors to justify itself through overwrought draaaaama and "relationship" episodes and those stupid Big Philosophical Questions that aren't questions at all, like "If an alien species tranfers its souls from a dying creature to a newly-born one, and the old one was guilty of murder, do we punish the young one which has the same soul but a different physical body and upbringing?"

That was posed on a Star Trek (one of the crappy new ones, maybe TNG), and I just rolled and rolled and rolled my eyes.

It. Is Not. A Real. Question.

Might as well have posed the profound philosophical question, "If a Bezoinkazonk gezurkafies a Turfurdurple, but the Turfurdurple was already undergoing the Ritual of Prang the Merciless, do we bleezabloip the Bezoinkazonk?"

I mean, really. Honestly. There is simply nothing in that ridiculous question that has a thing to do with the human experience or actual reality. So pardon me if I don't find it as interesting as ST:TNG's writers did.

25 I'm going to watch it just because it's got Morena Baccarin and Alan Tudyk in it.

26 Super.  Another "hit new show" that has a title my students won't be able to pronounce.

27 Did we see Alan Tudyk in that clip? No, right?

He's an Alien Overlord type isn't he? I seem to remember that from an earlier clip.

28
Remeber when SPOCK  got so horny he had to fight KIRK or else he'd DIE?

29 Remeber when SPOCK  got so horny he had to fight KIRK or else he'd DIE?

"Amok Time."  Excellent episode.  Rather than exploring a lame philosophical question, it explored a very important one, namely: am I allowed to kill you if it means getting laid?

30 'zactly.

31 Tho the old Star Trek was guilty of this too. Too many liberal humanistic LESSONS for my taste.

Kirk was always running into Straw Man Societies with some obvious goofy political/social defect and teaching them that JFK-era liberalism was the one true way.

At least those had tangible, relatable things going on, though.

Still... watching Kirk recite the preamble to the Constitution to the "Yangs" and "Congs" was, what's the word, teh ghey.

32 I also thought the news conference was right on target.  Maybe they filmed it though before the recent brouhaha started?

33 looks awful

34 Looks pretty  good so far. Could do without the obvious "subtle" references that this somehow voids the idea of God or religion, it's doesn't and wouldn't.

I think that the V's have a bunch of agents of influence they have infiltrated into society in advance of the actual invasion. Kind of a Battlestar Gallactica thing, who is and who isn't a V.

If this is true I will not watch. It's the dumbest and oldest cliche in SciFi next to a couple survives and they are Adam and Eve. It only works when they making of the aliens/humans is an intergral part of the story ala Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. Alien agents are dumb because to work and be useful as drama they always look, think and act like humans which makes them human, not alien. Zombies are far more alien than any alien is in most of the movies which is why zombie movies work. They are just dumb aliens.

Unwritten rule of SciFi:
If you're aliens are going to think and act like humans don't make them look human, and vice-versa.

35

Ace, it's a good thing I finished my coffee before I read your response. And I agree with you on the difference between movie and TV sci-fi.

TV sci-fi usually starts off with a big bang (see what I did there?) and usually fizzles to a predictably bland ending, destroying what could have been a very promising adventure into the realm of what-could-be. I understand that after the initial show gathers an audience, many times the writers move on to greener pastures and get replaced with others who may or may not even like SF.

I say this having been one of the few survivors of the Ritual of Prang the Merciless, something I don't want to go through again. But you haven't truly lived until you've been bleezabloiped.

36 Nothing says quality like '70s porn music playing with the ending credits.

37

Still... watching Kirk recite the preamble to the Constitution to the "Yangs" and "Congs" was, what's the word, teh ghey.

Maybe, but watching him get some green tail was not.

38 "Looks pretty  good so far. Could do without the obvious 'subtle' references that this somehow voids the idea of God or religion, it's doesn't and wouldn't."

No, the Bible does a good job of debunking Christian religion, particularly the mandatory child rape, genocidal murder, and slavery sections.

Of course you -- being less morally advanced of a primate than me -- may not find this sufficient debunking.

39  Super.  Another "hit new show" that has a title my students won't be able to pronounce.
Posted by: Tom in Korea

Just tell them it's pronounced, "Five,"

40 This 'V' kinda reminds me of the 'O' Administration.

...insert popcorn munching noise here....

41 Posted by: Christoph at October 24, 2009 01:55 PM (56Gag)

Do you just repost the same thing over and over again anytime anyone mentions the word 'religion'?

It's tedious and boring. 

42 I'm trying to decide if I like the fact that they're pointing out the opening sequence is similar to Independence Day, or dislike that.

43 "Do you just repost the same thing over and over again anytime anyone mentions the word 'religion'?"

What more do I need for a morally decent person to recognize the horror that is the Judeo-Christian God?

44 Kirk screwed so many aliens you'd think some he would have come down with a dose of alien VD. Kirk gets the alien clap would have been a great episode. McCoy : I'm a doctor dammit, not a miracle worker. And, word to the wise, if it's green, don't f*ck it Jim.

45 Betcha the aliens team up with the ACORN folks to feed the Republicans and other lovers of freedom to the aliens ....for dinner.

46 Christoph, come to LGF and we can rule the remaining 5 commenters as father and son.

47

Great, another butch single osotoughchick with a rebel teen.  Try raising your kid, Starbuck With An Active Uterus, and maybe he wouldn't be sneaking out at night.

Hollywood?  Would you please get over your condescending hatred of the non-dysfunctional nuclear family?  Perhaps, I don't know, have a father who's the head of a family, a mom who adds stability, and some kids who sack up and obey because they understand the sudden change to their universe?  Or does it challenge your comfort zone to write for a set of decent, intelligent, moral characters without descending into Seventh Heaven schlock?

I'm sorry, this looks full of the standard disaster stereotypes found in the most basic Irwin Allen film, and any storyline that's not predictable from 3 episodes away will be plot twists that make no sense.  Right, BSG?

Did they ditch the 1 or 2 semi-interesting characters from the first iteration?  I didn't see the chick scientist or the Michael Ironsides character in this clip.  The miniseries was okay but the series was crap except for Jester.

Best line from the original series: Ironsides has just killed a bunch of lizardoids, looks at the bodies, and mutters, "What a waste of luggage."

48 >>>Alien agents are dumb because to work and be useful as drama they always look, think and act like humans which makes them human, not alien.

They could be actual humans born in pods and taught through alien mind-programming and previously living in Potemkin Villages so they'd learn to act human.

49 besides the whole point of v was that the aliens look human but in fact are just wearing masks. They're reptiles in human-masks.

50 I'm familiar with vampires, and I've even read speculative rumors about biased journalists, but what are these "alien invasion movies" to which you refer?

51 "TV sci-fi usually starts off with a big bang (see what I did there?) and usually fizzles to a predictably bland ending, destroying what could have been a very promising adventure into the realm of what-could-be."

This describes Flash Forward completely. My prediction: it's a cabal of Angry White Guys in Our Own Government behind it all.  It's a poor imitation of Season 1 of Lost. Dopey clues, anti-US moral relativism, bad language, and lesbian make-out scenes are all indicators that they don't have a clue or script on this one.

52 What more do I need for a morally decent person to recognize the horror that is the Judeo-Christian God?

Posted by: Christoph at October 24, 2009 01:59 PM (56Gag)

Gosh, I dunno.  Try bolding with a bigger font in all caps.  Maybe you'll convince people that way.

Oh and change your moniker.

But do all this at another site.  One that begins with an LGF.

53
I liked The Omega Glory episode. Except it was kinda a ripoff from an episode that aired two months earlier called "A Piece of the Action."

Same idea: a bunch of yahoos based their culture/civilization on some distorted concept based on American history.

54 "besides the whole point of v was that the aliens look human but in fact are just wearing masks. They're reptiles in human-masks."

V was cheesily awesome.

I just found a few of the original segments on YouTube and watched them with one of my girlfriends. It was hilarious, the 80s hair and such, by comparison to the above trailer.

My how production values have changed.

But it was still cool. By pure coincidence, my sister visited last night and we all discussed our childhood nightmares for some reason, probably to do with her kids and theirs. Anyway...

My sister said that Diana was at the crux of her nightmares. And this morning this video posted here. Too funny.

Me, I just liked the Mac-10s.

55
They're reptiles in human-masks.

You mean like Jews?

56 "A Piece of the Action" is starting to look like a cautionary tale: see what happens when idiots from Chicago run everything.

57 Once the aliens get their tax bill they will flee.

58

Loved the falling Jesus smashing into a bajillion pieces.  Very subtle.

But I noticed the guy buying the engagement ring (was black) was pictured with his fiancee, who also was black.  Which means ABC deliberately chose not to address the topic, and thus legitimize inter-racial marriage.  Therefore, I denounce this show, and the entire network on which it appears as rasict.

Also, anyone who watches it is racist.  And so is anyone with a V in their name.

59
They could be actual humans born in pods and taught through alien mind-programming and previously living in Potemkin Villages so they'd learn to act human.

You mean like Democrat?

60 Is it anything like this?

61
""A Piece of the Action" is starting to look like a cautionary tale: see what happens when a college faculty who happen to be corrupt idiots from Chicago run everything."

fixed

62

If you're aliens are going to think and act like humans don't make them look human, and vice-versa.

I disagree, I think it makes perfect sense for spies to be sent in ahead of time in order to understand the culture they're attempting to imitate.

But, the advance spies shouldn't blend in so well; they should be prisoners or people who aren't blending in as average folks, that's people know there's something wrong about them but they're not sure what it is.

The idea that aliens can come in and blend right away without any practice is the unbelievable stereotype.  If they came and tried to blend in but they had difficulty, then that would be more interesting and more realistic, with or without agents in advance.

63
Remeber how the aliens tried to act like EARTHLINKS in GALAXY QUEST? They were funny.

64 Might as well have posed the profound philosophical question, "If a Bezoinkazonk gezurkafies a Turfurdurple, but the Turfurdurple was already undergoing the Ritual of Prang the Merciless, do we bleezabloip the Bezoinkazonk?"

They called that the gezurkafie of the Turfurdurple Prang. I called it last Thursday.

65

Same idea: a bunch of yahoos based their culture/civilization on some distorted concept based on American history.

Not quite.  "A Piece of the Action" was a culture that adapted to a book a previous starship had left behind about Chicago gangsters; the aliens on that planet were prone to imitation.  "The Omega Glory" was about a culture that had developed naturally to parallel American history, except the communists had gained control.

And no, I'm not a Trekkie.

66 No, the Bible does a good job of debunking Christian religion, particularly the mandatory child rape, genocidal murder, and slavery sections.

Of course you -- being less morally advanced of a primate than me -- may not find this sufficient debunking.

Posted by: Christoph at October 24, 2009 01:55 PM (56Gag)

Have a nice day.

67 I liked V quite a bit originally, although it hasn't aged well.

68

Will someone please explain how the hell "Roy" in the wheelchair managed to make it up 3/4 of the way up the church steps and then chose to stop?

Did someone push him part of the way and leave him?

Did the priest not think it was odd?

Wouldn't a real priest have offered to either push him all the way up and into the church or back down to the street?

Does Roy levitate?

69 You know, even if there are a few "pot shots" at the Obama administrations vis-a-vis attempting to ingratiate itself with the media and promising people bread and circuses if they will simply obey... it's all going to end with a MESSAGE.

And that message will be that the aliens are here because they ruined their planet due to excessive industry and not respecting the environment.

70 "A Piece of the Action" was a culture that adapted to a book a previous starship had left behind about Chicago gangsters; the aliens on that planet were prone to imitation.

If you visited a planet with aliens prone to imitation, you don't give them books about gangsters, you give them porn. Best planet ever.

71 "Have a nice day. "

You too.

72
I don't think so, Barbelle.

In The Omega Glory, the 'Yangs' had an old tattered copy of the Declaration of the Independence, but I don't remember how it originally got on the planet.

73 even if there are a few "pot shots" at the Obama administrations vis-a-vis attempting to ingratiate itself with the media and promising people bread and circuses if they will simply obey...

It'll be promptly fact-checked by CNN.

74 Why not just send an unmanned transport with a Stargate and like...just walk through.  This whole sending the mothership thing isn't very energy efficient...and we're all about energy efficiency these days, right?  That mothership doesn't look very green-friendly.  I'm just saying...

75 This introduction makes me not want to watch the series. Mainly because I can't identify with blue state morons. Really, I couldn't care less if California decided to secede from the Union, let alone be invaded by lizard aliens looking for a snack. Ditto for New York and DC.

76

Will someone please explain how the hell "Roy" in the wheelchair managed to make it up 3/4 of the way up the church steps and then chose to stop?

I noticed that, too. I even rewound the vid to look for a ramp.

77 They could be actual humans born in pods and taught through alien mind-programming and previously living in Potemkin Villages so they'd learn to act human.

Posted by: ace at October 24, 2009 02:04 PM (vESPJ)

besides the whole point of v was that the aliens look human but in fact are just wearing masks. They're reptiles in human-masks.

Posted by: ace at October 24, 2009 02:05 PM (vESPJ)

Let's see they are actual humans who act like humans. Why aren't they human then? They have alien motivations like they want to win and conquest? Yeah, really alien. Masks are fine, as long as the audience sees behind the mask from the start and the aliens act in a somewhat alien manner. Otherwise it just another human story with an alien reveal to say "See! Science Fiction!" Not.

The bit about Independence Day was kind of funny but Independence Day is not a rip off. It's a remake of War of the Worlds, right down to a virus killing the aliens. Albeit a computer one this time.

78 And that message will be that the aliens are here because they ruined their planet due to excessive industry and not respecting the environment.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at October 24, 2009 02:27 PM (+gX1+)

Then the show will not make it to "early 2010".

79

#68

Will someone please explain how the hell "Roy" in the wheelchair managed to make it up 3/4 of the way up the church steps and then chose to stop?

Did someone push him part of the way and leave him?

Did the priest not think it was odd?

Wouldn't a real priest have offered to either push him all the way up and into the church or back down to the street?

Does Roy levitate?

 

Noticed that too.

80 "The bit about Independence Day was kind of funny but Independence Day is not a rip off. It's a remake of War of the Worlds, right down to a virus killing the aliens. Albeit a computer one this time."

The alien mega-saucers over major cities with smaller deployable crafts part was ripped off from V.

81

If you're aliens are going to think and act like humans don't make them look human, and vice-versa.

I disagree, I think it makes perfect sense for spies to be sent in ahead of time in order to understand the culture they're attempting to imitate.

But, the advance spies shouldn't blend in so well; they should be prisoners or people who aren't blending in as average folks, that's people know there's something wrong about them but they're not sure what it is.

The idea that aliens can come in and blend right away without any practice is the unbelievable stereotype.  If they came and tried to blend in but they had difficulty, then that would be more interesting and more realistic, with or without agents in advance.

Posted by: barbelle at October 24, 2009 02:15 PM (qF8q3)

I really don't see how you disagree here. I think what you mean by not blending in so well is they should appear in some way alien, which was my point.

82 Do you just repost the same thing over and over again anytime anyone mentions the word 'religion'?Apparently, his hate is so complete he cannot help himself.

83
jimminyflyminny, I know you like yootoob vids (like kids grinding on ottomans).

Have you ever seen this one? A cop frisks a young man and finds, er, uh, a weapon.


 

84

In The Omega Glory, the 'Yangs' had an old tattered copy of the Declaration of the Independence, but I don't remember how it originally got on the planet.

It got on the planet because it was written there.  That was part of the parallel between the 2 planets, just like the Pledge of Allegiance, the tattered flag, the "American Indian" look of the "yangs," the Asian look of the "cones," (sp), etc.  They also had a Bible with a Spock lookalike.  Watch the episode again, they talk about it being a parallel, not a corruption.

85 Making use of the opportunity this series is providing:

http://tinyurl.com/ygfnq9u

Consider them the first entry of limitless photoshop possibilities!

86 What more do I need for a morally decent person to recognize the horror that is the Judeo-Christian God?

I remember now!  It was Patterico you got your ass kicked off of for *always* dragging every thread over to your hellish vision of Christianity, no matter how far off topic it became.

87 The alien mega-saucers over major cities with smaller deployable crafts part was ripped off from V.

Posted by: Christoph at October 24, 2009 02:32 PM (56Gag)

Wait a minute...they used fighters trying to shoot down the central power unit and destroy the enemies main weapon which is a ripoff of Star Wars....wait a minute that was a ripoff of......

88 "Do you just repost the same thing over and over again anytime anyone mentions the word 'religion'?Apparently, his hate is so complete he cannot help himself."

Christopher, my hate?

I despite child molesters, slavery, genocidal maniacs.

So, I'll grant you your choice of word may be correct.

I don't hate Christians, however, who generally ignore their religion.

89 come on, don't feed the dum-dum.  He's canadian, after all.  It's not his fault.

90
How's the global warming going up there in Canada, Christoph?

91

I really don't see how you disagree here. I think what you mean by not blending in so well is they should appear in some way alien, which was my point.

You's stated that advance spies in general were Adam and Eve stereotypes.  I disagree because there's no comparison to an Adam and Eve contrivance and a much used plot point that makes sense to the story.

92

I don't hate Christians, however, who generally ignore their religion.

Knock it off with the pseudo-intellectual superiority.  You're making atheists look really bad.

93
It's "Coms."

yeah, I'll watch the ep again since all the eps are now online either at CBS or at Fancast.

94

Knock it off with the pseudo-intellectual superiority.  You're making atheists look really bad.

Posted by: barbelle at October 24, 2009 02:49 PM (qF8q3)

2 words:  Richard Dawkins.  He doesn't need Christoper's help in that department.

95

Plover, I can't believe you remember the kids making out with the furniture vid!

As for the new vid:   Ahahahahahaaa!

The best part is how casually is all went down. The perp didn't even bat an eye.

As for the low-slung jeans, someone might be taking it a bit too far if their junk is hanging above their waistband.

96

2 words:  Richard Dawkins.  He doesn't need Christoper's help in that department.

Yeah, I would prefer it if they weren't on my side.

97 The idea that aliens can come in and blend right away without any practice is the unbelievable stereotype.

Not if they picked any of the rolling freak shows like South Beach, Key West, or Venice Beach.  A naked Neandertal could walk around in those places and would fit right in.

98

yeah, I'll watch the ep again since all the eps are now online either at CBS or at Fancast.

I thought everybody owned TOS.

99
and you say you're not a Trekkie...

100

Yeah, I would prefer it if they weren't on my side.

Posted by: barbelle at October 24, 2009 02:54 PM (qF8q3)

Um, atheists aren't entitled to a "side".  In fact, in the logical conclusion of atheism you're all really just enemies of each other.  so, it is as it should be.  You, Christopher & Richard and just not destined to be buds.

101

Not if they picked any of the rolling freak shows like South Beach, Key West, or Venice Beach.  A naked Neandertal could walk around in those places and would fit right in.

Heh.  Point taken.  The aliens would need to luck out and land in the right spots, though, and calculating that probability, taking into account the total land mass of the planet and the percentage of freakish neighborhoods covering it...

Oh heck, they could just land in California or Elton John's back yard.

102

You's stated that advance spies in general were Adam and Eve stereotypes.  I disagree because there's no comparison to an Adam and Eve contrivance and a much used plot point that makes sense to the story.

No I said it was as dumb and as old a cliche as the Adam and Eve thing, and it is.

It's been done to death, mostly poorly. Nothing is wrong with either plot device, it's just it's never done well. It could be, they just can't be bothered to put any thought into it. Spies are used to gain an advantage in war. What use would spies be to an alien force bent on conquest and lightyears ahead of us technologically? It would be like us developing bovine spies to get steaks.  Sending in spies would actually be counterproductive as they would learn nothing useful and could potentially be compromised instead. For spies to work the opposing forces need to be on a somewhat even footing or the superior force must have no intention of or ability to psychically dominating the lesser. Opening the shows with huge  aliens ships capable of wiping us out in a minute sort of kills that. The only thing left is a Hail Mary ala War of the Worlds.

103

Well I thought the first scene when the dysfunctional single mom wakes up and her eyes dilate was really cool.

 

I will watch this because I am a sucker for cheesy science fiction shows (Alien Nation anyone?).

 

And about that dysfunctional single mom stereotype, I’d actually be OK with it if just once Hollywood would portray a single mom as not dysfunctional. I mean some of us are capable of functioning on our own as parents…

104

Um, atheists aren't entitled to a "side".  In fact, in the logical conclusion of atheism you're all really just enemies of each other.  so, it is as it should be.  You, Christopher & Richard and just not destined to be buds.

Ha, I'm sure the Baptists, the Jews, the Methodists, the Pentecostals, the Catholics, the Mormons, the Nazarenes, the Unitarians, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Muslims, the etc, the etc, the etc, the etc, the etc................all agree!

105 Make that physically not psychically

106

Ha, I'm sure the Baptists, the Jews, the Methodists, the Pentecostals, the Catholics, the Mormons, the Nazarenes, the Unitarians, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Muslims, the etc, the etc, the etc, the etc, the etc................all agree!

Posted by: barbelle at October 24, 2009 03:07 PM (qF8q3)

Not trying to pick a fight here, but I'm just curious what your point is?  My point is that atheists cannot really be  full-on allies with each other.  Even if atheists came together as allies to rid the world of all other faiths they'd quickly turn on each other because schizophrenic paranoia heads that direction in a heart beat.

107

and you say you're not a Trekkie...

It's not mine, it's Hubby's.  I never said HE wasn't one.

I got it for him on some anniversary, the same year he bought me the boxed set of "Planet of the Apes."

108 Ha, I'm sure the Baptists, the Jews, the Methodists, the Pentecostals, the Catholics, the Mormons, the Nazarenes, the Unitarians, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Muslims, the etc, the etc, the etc, the etc, the etc................all agree!





I want rustlers, cutthroats, murders, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con-men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglars, horse thieves, bull-dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, sh**-kickers, and Methodists!

109 So why wouldn't the Army guy let the FBI chick into an area already crawling with meandering hordes?  One more person would have upset some delicate crowd balance?  And she needed to turn back?  To where exactly?

"V" is cool and all, but I don't think I agree with the premise.  A vastly superior alien race with nefarious designs on Earth, which can nullify our best military technology at the drop of a hat, their plan is to take over the planet, steal all our resources and use us as food, pretends to be peacemakers and gift-bringers to sucker us in to going along quietly, instead of just blasting our asses from the get-go without worrying about how well their costume make-up will hold out so we don't eventually see them as big lizards who eat puppies too.

And given the political climate and the fact that ABC is part of Teh One's cabal, are they really going to explore (as the first V did) the subjects of totalitarianism, despotism, tyranny, etc without screwing things up like BSG did?

110

Soldier:  Ma'm there's no way I'm letting go from this huge crowd of random people over to that huge crowd of random people.

111 So why wouldn't the Army guy let the FBI chick into an area already crawling with meandering hordes?

Because she's a SINGLE MOM and it's symbolic of the PATRIARCHY keeping her down.

112 Tom in Korea at October 24, 2009 01:57 PM (+gX1+)

The sequence in ID4 where the aliens show up was ripped directly from the original "V", hence the reference in the clip.  ID4 also ripped off "Star Wars" in the end battle, right down to the three ships escaping the exploding ship.

113 "In fact, in the logical conclusion of atheism you're all really just enemies of each other."

Now that's just stupid.

Obviously friendships, relationships, communities -- and even once upon a time religion itself -- enhance survival and reproduction.

Indeed, religion has served a powerful adaptive purpose from a purely Darwinian point of view.

There are many examples of this, from the Catholics telling their people not to use condoms, to the Mormons encouraging large families, and the genocide in the Bible.

Can you think of a better strategy to pass your genes on to future generations than to be convinced you're on a mission from God to wipe out competing hominid tribes in your area, kill all their males, and take their "young women who have never been with a man" (and are therefore not pregnant) as your forcible concubines?

Take the Spartans.

They believed in their Gods and interpreted it in such a way that they enslaved even a neighbouring Greek city state. In a land where most people ate a cheap mainly vegetarian diet, the Spartans made themselves head of a state where they ate the nutritious meats that our branch of hominids evolved on, keeping themselves into unmatched strong lean fighting men. In land wars. They failed in broader strategy and naval campaigns, but I digress.

Did the Spartan religious belief in their superiority and their right to enslave others confer on them certain benefits? It did.

But it has no place in a decent, moral, civilised world.

I'm saying you can't build such a world on the back of the Bible, because it shows God as an evil despot.

You can begin to build such a world on the backs of the better Greek and Roman and other philosophers, which is precisely what western civilisation has done. It was the rejection of imposed religion, the free thinking of deism, agnosticism, and to a lesser degree quakerism and unitarianism, and capitalism, that allowed the United States to be the human rights promoting behemoth that it became.

Not the primitive mythology of a then-barbaric tribe of particularly ruthless warrior-primates. The ancient Jews.

And don't call me an anti-Semite! I am not one. I have an Israeli flag on my wall and have for years as a gift from a leftist who I disagreed with about most everything, except for Israel's right to exist which, as a Jew, he shared.

I support the Jewish people's right to exist for humanist reasons, not religious.

Fortunately, they also have largely sucularised themselves and rejected much of the barbarous teachings of their unholy books.

I don't say religion is unnatural. I say it's untrue.

114 The sequence in ID4 where the aliens show up was ripped directly from the original "V", hence the reference in the clip.

Indeed, I have learned that from this thread.  Not being of age to see the original miniseries I was completely and utterly unaware of that fact until today.

115 I wasn't even going to get into this discussion, because barbelle had pretty much spoken my mind. (Namely that whatever the merits of Christoph's case, this was not the thread to air it.)

But then editor posted this: "Um, atheists aren't entitled to a "side". In fact, in the logical conclusion of atheism you're all really just enemies of each other. so, it is as it should be. You, Christopher & Richard and just not destined to be buds."

Ugh.

I can't speak for Christoph but sometimes I've done what he's done: I've posted troll comments here. It's a bit like why the Joker liked to cut people with knives. He wanted to know which of his victims were cowards. Sometimes I want to know which of Ace's commenters are bigoted, ignorant douchebags.

Congratulations to Christoph, he found one. Extra points for finding a guy who effectively stabbed barbelle in the BACK after she took the side of the commentariat against Christoph.

Christoph and I both arguably deserve a banning just for the thread chaos (maybe not me THIS time, but there are those other occasions). But Editor's a real piece of work. If he believes he has an immortal soul he should pray for it.

116

 My point is that atheists cannot really be  full-on allies with each other. 

Your premise is flawed.  It's the nature of humans in general not to ban together without a common cause, and that goes for atheists, Christians, anyone.  What do you think the atheists' common cause is?  Getting rid of religion?  Pfft, atheists aren't trying to take your view from you and/or rid the world of religion so there's no need to team up.  Yes, there are plenty of religion haters out there who are atheists, but just because a person's an atheist doesn't mean they hate, fear, or are threatened by religion.  Like the squeaky wheel, the activists attempting to ban the Ten Commandments or remove crosses from public display are the ones with the media exposure and hence feed your definition of what you think atheists believe.

117 AS far as the pontificating of "Star Trek".  It perfectly reflected the liberal viewpoint about "rules" or law.

Every Captain portrayed in any Star Trek was more than willing to step on the soap box in any given episode extolling the virtues of the Prime Directive or the Federation cause du jour.  The very next week they were breaking those very same rules/laws, all for the sake of some emergency/crises/invasion whatever.

"Star Trek" reflected perfectly the liberal viewpoint on life - do as we say, not as we do.  It also showed how very principled a Federation Captain was until faced with reality.  "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."  Right out of the Marx playbook.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the most popular ST episodes are usually those in which the Federation is just blasting the crap out of whatever alien enemy, be they Borg, Dominion, Romulans, whatever.

118 Men In Black inferred our society was infested with aliens that aped human behavior albeit in twisted ways.

We are led by 'people' that literally believe that one can borrow your way out of debt.

They're here now.

119 christoph please take your antireligion screeds back to little ganouche felchers it is getting boring and quite tedious btw if obamacare passes the doctors who retire will be repleaced by obama approved doctors

120 I swear I read something a couple of weeks ago (I thought it was here) saying that ABC and the producers were scrambling to "subtly re-imagine" this remake after noticing how it could be seen as a subtle bash of Obama and Obamunism.

When I read that, I lost all interest.  God forbid President Zero face some minor, subtle pop culture criticism.

121 Is it time to ban Christoph again or not.
Thread killing bullshit.

122 http://tinyurl.com/yf8ynjl

This is a better clip, when the alien threatens to walk out if the reporter asks tough questions

123

My take on this. Looks promising, but 3 seasons max. The writers need to have a begining, middle, end. None of this BS like Galactica or even Lost, where they seem to be just winging it.

Nice extended series, but just do it. And as another above  poster pointed out, is there really somehing so wrong with a well-knit family?

Well, maybe there aren't any writers in Hollywood who have ever lived that.

Too bad. Could make things a lot more interesting.

124 We've got twenty-million aliens in the US right now and they seem to be doing alright.

So all of this talk about how alien agents wouldn't be able to come in and fit right in is mute.

125

Nice extended series, but just do it. And as another above  poster pointed out, is there really somehing so wrong with a well-knit family?

Well, maybe there aren't any writers in Hollywood who have ever lived that.

Too bad. Could make things a lot more interesting.

Posted by: HH at October 24, 2009 03:33 PM (+jvXp)

It's soap opera. False tension. It's just lazy, unimaginative writing.

126

I want rustlers, cutthroats, murders, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con-men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglars, horse thieves, bull-dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, sh**-kickers, and Methodists!

Could you repeat that, sir? -- Taggart

And Zimriel, I would rather just talk about SF.

127 On behalf of the Troll Community, Rocks, I apologise for his threadjacking here

128 Oh, and this:

"I can't speak for Christoph but sometimes I've done what he's done: I've posted troll comments here. It's a bit like why the Joker liked to cut people with knives. He wanted to know which of his victims were cowards. Sometimes I want to know which of Ace's commenters are bigoted, ignorant douchebags. "

...is probably the most douchbag thing I've read all day.

129 "Congratulations to Christoph, he found one. Extra points for finding a guy who effectively stabbed barbelle in the BACK after she took the side of the commentariat against Christoph.

"Christoph and I both arguably deserve a banning just for the thread chaos (maybe not me THIS time, but there are those other occasions). But Editor's a real piece of work. If he believes he has an immortal soul he should pray for it."

Editor usually makes intelligent comments, but the idea that atheism logically means every other person is an enemy is daft.

We are social animals.

(Even the anti-social amongst us. )

130 I can't speak for Christoph but sometimes I've done what he's done: I've posted troll comments here. It's a bit like why the Joker liked to cut people with knives. He wanted to know which of his victims were cowards.

It also may have been because he was an amoral and violent sociopath.

131 Wow, this thread has changed course ... Was just going to stop in and say that I'm looking forward to V, even if they are planning on softening references that some might think allude to the Obama administration. I'm curious about the show. Plus, I think that some parallels can't be hidden.

132 Oh yeah, what was the topic about? I remember - 'twas V.

A similar fine SF episode was Stargate SG-1's episode "2010", featuring the Aschén. SG-1 found a stargate and the Aschén and humanity were introduced. Then the Aschén "helped" humanity with all its problems, including overpopulation. In fact the Aschén did so well with that last that almost every woman on Earth went infertile. Humanity would have died out if SG-1 had not sent a warning back to season-four time: "DO NOT GO TO THIS PLANET".

I always figured that episode to be one of the top five of SG-1. Excellent anti-elitist / anti-progressive / pro-life(!) message. Amazing that it got into production.

133 Kensington, ehh, it's a mood, and I have to be provoked into it. Editor's comment stirred up my inner misanthrope.

134

Every Captain portrayed in any Star Trek was more than willing to step on the soap box in any given episode extolling the virtues of the Prime Directive or the Federation cause du jour.  The very next week they were breaking those very same rules/laws, all for the sake of some emergency/crises/invasion whatever.

The very reason why Enterprise was the most unwatchable POS ever.

Every damn show they're up there spouting mutually contradictory moralization while the Captain continues to operate without any principles other then his own whims and then claim moral superiority over it.

I wanted to like it, because I liked the premise, and I like Scott Bakula.

But I wound up despising his character and wanting to punch him in the face. Under the command of such a jackass I'd have wound up resigning 15 times or else spent the whole series in the brig. Nobody ever calls him on his preening poseur BS.

135

AS far as the pontificating of "Star Trek".  It perfectly reflected the liberal viewpoint about "rules" or law.

Boloney.  TOS was neither liberal nor PC.  All of its successors were both, which is why they were crap.

Case in point: "Errand of Mercy."  Kirk and the Klingons were PISSED when the Organians put their big fight on hold and forced them into a peace treaty.  They make reference to that treaty again and it's as if it was getting in the way.

Yeah, the Prime Directive got tossed our a lot, but that was for the sake of plot, not message.  Besides, they sure tossed it out in the episode, "A Private Little War" in order to balance the power between the tribes and arm their friends.  NOT liberal one bit.

136 It got much less bad in that respect and more watchable when they stopped just riding around playing hypocritical Absolute Moral Authority and launched an existential war against the Xinde or whatever.

137 Entropy at October 24, 2009 03:45 PM (cok/k)

Although whatever season it was (2nd?) where he was fighting the aliens (I forget the name) who were trying to blow up the Earth.  He was all over the galaxy torturing, killing, stealing, etc with a single minded purpose - to protect and save the Earth.  It's the only season worth watching.

138

Rocks, gonna disagree here. What seems to happen that a show gets good ratings, it's extended, and then the writers just have to fill and fill. So then you get all these weird twists that come and go..

Better to have a goal when you start.

Linit it to three seasons max.

139 The alien mega-saucers over major cities with smaller deployable crafts part was ripped off from V.And that was ripped off from Childhood's end. That's OK it still was a pretty good concept and it worked well. I really liked Independence Day, it did what it was trying to really well and was quite entertaining.

140 barbelle at October 24, 2009 03:46 PM (qF8q3)

How about in "The Apple"?  Kirk destroys the computer Vaal which acts and provides for the planets inhabitants like a God.  It is indeed a computer worshiped as a God.  Kirk blew it up, over the objections of Spock, another of those pesky episodes where the PD is thrown out. 

Kirks ultimate message was one of individualism, but the episode is decidedly anti-religion or anti-God.  Not to far Left, but still...

141

The interesting thing about the show “Alien Nation” was how much the aliens weren’t really accepted on earth.

 

While I believe we see the inherent good in most people when a disaster strikes, I’m wondering, if an entire “other” is introduced would we pull together and greet them as an ally, or would we reject them?

 

One of the bits of science fiction shows I’ve always found interesting is how individuals treat the encounter with an “other.”

 

What I believe most science fiction shows have difficulty getting right is how the “other” would treat us humans. I mean, how can the writers get it right, when they are positing a set of values and beliefs based on human emotions and actions because that is all they know? (Well, unless there really are aliens among us who are writing sci-fi shows…)

142 38
No, the Bible does a good job of debunking Christian religion, particularly the mandatory child rape, genocidal murder, and slavery sections.

Of course you -- being less morally advanced of a primate than me -- may not find this sufficient debunking.

Posted by: Christoph at October 24, 2009 01:55 PM (56Gag)

Congratulations! You demonstrated your complete ignorance and bias in only one sentence.

Keep up the good work champ!

143 THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

144

Or limit it!

(Damn keyboard)

145 HH at October 24, 2009 03:53 PM (+jvXp)

Kinda like Baylon Five.  The show started off a bit weak, but got really good in the second and third seasons, then got weird again, but overall was a decent sci-fi show. 

B5 also written by Kenneth Johnson of original "V" fame btw

146 Boloney.  TOS was neither liberal nor PC. 

By the standards of its time (mid-1960s), this is not quite correct. TOS was liberal in the sense that JFK and LBJ were liberal. Today, though, both would be be thrown out of their own Democratic party for being too right wing.

147 What I meant to add above is that Kenneth Johnson went into B5 planning on only a five season run, even if the show got popular and geared the story and writing that way so there was a palpable conclusion to work towards, not keep stringing the audience along.

148 Whatever involvement Kenneth Johnson might have had in Babylon 5, it was J. Michael Straczynski's baby from start to finish.

149

Just to add to what PGiS wrote...

IF (and that's a big if), there are aliens and they visit our planet, we would have no idea of how they think or what their motives would be.

Hell, we here in the West can't figure out Radical Muslims.

So imagine an entity from some other world?

Could be good, or really, really bad.

Think about it.

 

150 TOS was neither liberal nor PC.  All of its successors were both, which is why they were crap.

That's debatable for DS9.  They showed that Roddenberry's liberal utopia was actually at least quasi-fascist, although the series ended before they went all the way into that story.

151 In fact, I don't think Kenneth Johnson was involved in Babylon 5 at all.

152

I see the difference between the TOS and TNG like this, in TOS Kirk was always suspicious of everything and in TNG I don’t think Picard was ever suspicious enough.

 

p.s. I loved Babylon 5.

153 The (woman playing the) V ambassador is <a href="http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Adria">Adria, one of the Ori</a>, an alien race who hold themselves out to be gods and seek to enslave the galaxy in Stargate SG-1.

154 I don't say religion is unnatural. I say it's untrue.

Posted by: Christoph at October 24, 2009 03:25 PM (56Gag)

And I say the very order of the universe right down to the smallest creatures as well as the atom is proof that God does exist and all of this was no accident. And I don't really give a flying fuck what your opinion is. If I wanted to read about religion, I would be on another blog. So go hijack another thread on LGF or something.

155 141- That's an interesting point, PGiS.

156 Michael Ironside and a mac10. What else do you need?

157

Thanks, Girl Thursday. Wasn’t sure if it was or if I am over thinking sci-fi shows at this point!

158 (Well, unless there really are aliens among us who are writing sci-fi shows…)

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 24, 2009 03:58 PM (RZ8pf)

No, they're not writing sci-fi shows...they're writing laws.

159 141- I also think we could apply the same concept to people who claim to understand God's motives in relation to creation, human suffering, etc. However, I'm very reluctant to wade into the debate that's going on here right now.

160 PGiS, I loved Babylon 5, too, at least what I've seen of it.  I watched the first three season in marathon about five years ago and was enthralled but haven't had opportunity to see the rest yet.

161 Kensington at October 24, 2009 04:12 PM (kSpSZ)

That's right.  What the hell was I thinking?  KJ was Alien Nation, not B5.  My bad.

162

Rocks, gonna disagree here. What seems to happen that a show gets good ratings, it's extended, and then the writers just have to fill and fill. So then you get all these weird twists that come and go..

Better to have a goal when you start.

Linit it to three seasons max.

Posted by: HH at October 24, 2009 03:53 PM (+jvXp) 

Oh I would agree. A goal is much better and practically required for SciFi to drive the plot. What I meant about lazy writing is the dysfunctional family/emotional bs driving the story rather than supporting it. The tension/drama is the plot. If they set a goal and then want to extend it to keep the cash cow alive then use the "there's always a bigger fish" rule. Allow one side to almost achieve the goal then throw in a bigger badder enemy for the formerly opposing sides to join together reluctantly to fight. Bam! 3 more seasons plus you get one bonus one when the new enemy is killed and the old war reaches it's conclusion. Old, but it works.

163

Girl Thursday, yeah I’m with you. I almost delved into how it applies to religion/no religion as well, but thought discretion the better part of valor at this point.

164 You know the thing about Babylon 5 that I liked was that it embraced the darkness. That probably doesn’t make sense, but I’m thinking in contrast to shows like TNG, Babylon 5 wasn’t afraid to plumb the depths.

165 Rocks at October 24, 2009 04:26 PM (f7EXG)

I think that's what they did with Babylon 5.  The humans had some up to do with the Vorlons or something, then a new enemy shows up, the Shadow and everyone gangs up together to fight them, etc. etc.

166

And, throwing one more show into the mix, Doctor Who, cheesy though it may be, really embraced the idea that the aliens were mostly out to get us.

167

With my geek cred thoroughly established, I’m going to go curl up with a book of ghost stories and try to scare myself silly.

168

Kirks ultimate message was one of individualism, but the episode is decidedly anti-religion or anti-God.  Not to far Left, but still...

No, it was anti-FALSE god, which is not liberal at all, and the concept of "taking care of yourselves" is absolutely NOT liberal.  Kirk, Spock, and McCoy even made a joke about Kirk playing the role of Satan at the end of the ep and it was obvious that wasn't what Kirk had done.

By the standards of its time (mid-1960s), this is not quite correct. TOS was liberal in the sense that JFK and LBJ were liberal.

A show that was pro-individual and pro-diversity with the point of view that humans had populated countless planets and maintained peace solely through the military power of Starfleet was liberal?  All righty then.

I'm sure it was really liberal when every ambassador got portrayed as being completely ignorant of reality -- with the exception of Sarek -- and the Vulcan who went to negotiate peace with a gang of cutthroats ended up getting slaughtered and used as bait.  Aheh.  Yeah.  Liberal.  I could on if I really cared much.

Geez, I'm sure Bonanza and had its bleeding heart moments, too, but just because some shows may have had some liberal interference doesn't make them liberal shows.

169

Although whatever season it was (2nd?) where he was fighting the aliens (I forget the name) who were trying to blow up the Earth.  He was all over the galaxy torturing, killing, stealing, etc with a single minded purpose - to protect and save the Earth.  It's the only season worth watching.

Yeah, exactly - the Xinde.

That was watchable. And that got semi-decent ratings I guess which is the only reason the show went as far as it did. Practically no one liked the series until then, which is why the writers had to go off in that totally different direction to find an audience.

Every episode then was basically single-minded focus toward solving the conflict of the overarching plot which was an existential war. Simple. So much harder for the writers to screw up intolerably.

The first season, I literally had to turn it off. Even when I wasn't really watching it, just reading or surfing while it was on... I couldn't tolerate it's inanity in my presence. That pretentious fucktard's presence actually offended me even as background noise.

170

And it's not even a partisan thing. It was a personal thing. I hated the characters.

I wanted to punch that smug bastard in the face. Every time they jumped on the grand philosophical soapbox to explain how righteous they were, I wanted to hop on my own soapbox to explain how brave and courageous I was for what I was about to do, to whit: Mutiny and throw his pompous self-absorbed ass out the airlock.

171 Watching the UM/Penn State game, an ad for V...

So her "sinister tell" is that she blinks too much?  Are they mocking Nancy Pelosi or something? 

Meh, doubt I'll be watching it.

172 167- Have fun, PGiS. I got some of my scary movies in from Netflix today. As for now, I'm going on a hike to enjoy God's beautiful creation ... or the gorgeous scenery that happens to accidentally be here ...

173 Boring. Not gonna watch it. No surprises in sci-fi since "To Serve Man" was exposed as (dum dum DAAAH) a cookbook(!!!!)

174

Dr. Who kicks major ass.

The (woman playing the) V ambassador is Adria, one of the Ori, an alien race who hold themselves out to be gods and seek to enslave the galaxy in Stargate SG-1.

She's also Inara, the feisty whore of Firefly.

175

And the FBI chick is Juliet from LOST.

I definetly want to watch V. The only trepidation I have right now is that ABC or NBC or whomever chickened out and edited it up to remove any potentially anti-obama referances. We'll see if they hacked it up. Or if it just sucks to begin with.

But it looks very promising to me.

176 Was no one else pissed that the guy didn't go to check on the pilot who parachuted from the crashed fighter?
Seriously, that took me out of enjoying the good scifi cheese.

I'm not looking forward to how they will twist this around to praise the anointed one.  However, I will ride out the first several episodes in hopes that it stays good.

177 Was no one else pissed that the guy didn't go to check on the pilot who parachuted from the crashed fighter?

Pissed?  No.  Thought it was odd though.  Normally they have characters show compassion in those sort of situations and go running to help out.  But I guess it was vitally necessary to show the mom being blocked from joining up with the random mass of people to reunite with her son, rather than just running into the random mass of people and reuniting with her son.

Speaking of which, how did they both wind up at the exact same place?

178 A show that was pro-individual and pro-diversity with the point of view that humans had populated countless planets and maintained peace solely through the military power of Starfleet was liberal?

Congratulations. You've just described JFK's foreign policy. You need to learn you some history, young 'un.

179

** "Nice extended series, but just do it. And as another above  poster pointed out, is there really somehing so wrong with a well-knit family?" **

Of course, nothing wrong at all - so long as it's a black well-knit family. Gotta keep all the hot white actors single or divorced so we can have them rolling in and outta bed with each other. Come to think of it, were any of the characters on BSG married at all? None to begin with, and practically all of the marriages that did happen went south.

The show will suck. Rule #1, when the original was actually pretty damn good, don't do a remake.

 

180 Nice porn music ending.

The original V was hella lame

181

next on V is michelle obama making a cameo appearance as God

182 Or am I remembering a dream I had about lab-coat-wearing-midgets?

That was "Communion", I think, with Christopher Walken.

183 Apparently they have pushed back the start of V a few times to "re-tool" for any apparent Obama parallels.

So, here's my sneaky conspiracy theory.

On the promos, they have been playing the song "Uprising" by Muse. Glenn Beck (insert sinister sound effect) was playing them on his radio show a few months back. Now, ABC is making changes to V? Coincidence? I think not.

That said, I'm definitely going to watch the premiere. We'll see about the rest of the series. I guess they only have a few in the can before taking it back off the air until next year. Doesn't make much sense.

184 barbelle at October 24, 2009 04:34 PM (qF8q3)

Methinks you need some time on the Holodeck....

185 Tom in Korea at October 24, 2009 04:59 PM (+gX1+)

That's a great catch.  He was in the hospital when TSHTF.  She told him to stay there, that she was coming to get him.

As is typical with teens, he leaves to "investigate" on his own and ends up in the middle of Downtown.  Then - PRESTO!  Mom winds up 50 feet away from him for the reunion - all the previous douchebaggery of the teen being forgiven of course.

186 welp, that's one way to kill a thread completely.

187

The V ambassador then declares that FoxNews is not a "real news organization."

Was that intended to be funny. It is not, because it is true. True damn it.

188 Clean up aisles 191 and 190, please. Bring a lot of towels.

189 WTF with the gobble-d-gook?

190

Hey!  How come that gibberish didn't bounced with stupid "long strings of text are annoying" bullshit??

Or was our crack webmistress too busy blow-drying her painted toenails, the ones with the pencils stuck between them?

191 Got it here, too.
What the Hell? Is that some kind of attack?

192
That was "Communion", I think, with Christopher Walken.

Nah, it was Robin Cook's Invasion, which was pretty good for TV.

193 Obviously you have completely missed the real subtly of the show.  Hello?? "V"?  These aliens, they turn out to be bad creatures right?  But "V" is only half of "VV".  That's right, W.  Pay attention next time.

194 "A Private Little War" was one of my favorite TOS episodes.

And if there is a second movie in the JJ Adams reboot Star Trek continuity, I predict there will be Kirk VD jokes and a lot of other silliness you never could have gotten past 1960's NBC network censors. The guy is a pussy hound, but he's got guts, and you could do a lot worse than that for a commander. I HAVE done worse than that for commanding officers. When I met Michael "Saul Tigh" Hogan, I shook his hand and told him he played a better colonel drunk than the one I had in '05 could manage sober.

195 I don't think over the long-haul V will make knuckleheads happy.

196 I suspect the haul will be short.

197

Well, jumping in here late, but, I liked V/Vendeta for a movies sake. dont know about the new V.

Wish i could find one of those masks in Vendeta for a march at next tea party, or halloween for that matter.

198 Wrong V.

199 V was good. But X was twice the show.

200 Christoph, you have Asperger's Syndrome, and it is anti-social.

Do not post about religion again here. I am sick of the threadjacking for the purpose of the only topic your Asperger's allows you to find interesting.

You will be banned next time you do.

201 >>>Was no one else pissed that the guy didn't go to check on the pilot who parachuted from the crashed fighter?

No. He was plainly dead.

You are talking about real life. In real life, would you check? Of course, because you wold not be sure he was dead.

In a movie, they don't bother with "not sure." The man appeared dead. He was dead. Everyone knew this. What is the point on checking on a dead man?

What would the payoff be? Run over? Check him? Yup, he's dead, just as it was clearly indicated he was.

They don't do that in movies for the same reason people don't say "Hi" and "Bye" in meetings or phone calls. They don't have time to do that kind of stuff.

202 > The very reason why Enterprise was the most unwatchable POS ever.

A friend loaned me the season 1 DVDs. I watched a few episodes and generally enjoyed it until I got to one where the Captain had some kind of moral dilemma about killing pirates. I turned it off before I found out how he handled it.

203

How bad can the aliens be? They've got HDTV built-in to their cool spaceships.

I wouldn't get too fond of them though, they're going to die from an Earth virus anyway.

204 "25 I'm going to watch it just because it's got Morena Baccarin and Alan Tudyk in it."

Phil is bi.

205 Why the U.S. and Obama can't win in Afghanistan: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_t3yfAhNb4

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207 #201....It's worse than you figure, in real life low life scum would have looted the body of the pilot whether he was dead or not. Remember the Oakland freeway collapse?

In the end, there will be nothing but chaos. H/T Kratos.

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