1

...District Superintendent George J. Goodwin said Tuesday that he thinks the punishment was "appropriate and fair."

I think George J. Goodwin should be fired. I think that would be "appropriate and fair."

 

2  Why were they going through his glove compartment in the first place?

3 Here's a number for Goodwin:

George Goodwin, Superintendent, District Office 518-233-6850

Give him hell.

4

The only thing more absurd than something like this is the concept that "weapons free zones" are a good thing. 

I am guessing a criminal who is intent on doing harm, such as the Virginia Tech mass murderer, may not respect that law.  So weapon free zones should really be called self defense free zones.

5 DamnoKrats. Need I say more?

6 The pen knife was in his motor vehicle.  Which is more dangerous, a 2 inch pen knife or a 3000 lb motor vehicle.  People killed by motor vehicles v. People killed by 2 inch knives.  Why would they allow pickup trucks on the school grounds.

7
I always wondered how TSA employees got so stupid. Now I know. They're taught Stupidity & Poor Judgment in public schools.

8 Hopefully someone like Petraeus or McChrystal will hear about this and exert a little behind the scenes pressure to make sure this incident doesn't foul the young mans chances.

9 Posted by: Waste93 at October 14, 2009 03:03 PM (KHM8y)


Yeah, I agree, WTF were they doing searching his car??!

10 How are these kids supposed to cut their food at lunch?

Also, are they still using kindergarden-style blunt scissors at the age of 16-17 years?

11 People drunk on whatever pathetically small bits of power they can grasp.

12

I think the apparatchiks that invented the �zero tolerance policy� should be fired and then the kid sue them personally if he is turned down for West Point.

 

That would be �fair�.

13 And these teenagers are all writing their assignments with crayons, right?

I mean, not ball point pens!

14

political correctness claims another innocent victim

 

how long will this madness continue?

how long can it before all rational action is impossible?

15 2  Why were they going through his glove compartment in the first place?

Posted by: Waste93 at October 14, 2009 03:03 PM (KHM8y)

Yeah, I'd like to know that too. They're criminalizing masculinity. Homeschooling is looking really good right now. I wonder if we can get Sarah Palin to run a class on Moose Skinning.

16 Even without the West Point, kicking him out of school for four weeks is criminal.

17 Taking down an Eagle Scout, National Guardsman and potential West Point student, is winning the liberal educator trifecta.

18 I remember in high school in northern Virginia (before it went leftist) people used to walk around with pocket knives -- big ones -- on chains in their pockets. Nobody thought anything of it; a knife was considered a tool, like a screwdriver. Common sense is dead.

19

"They originally gave me the five-day suspension, because that is all a principal can suspend a student for," Whalen said. "And from there, they had a superintendent hearing to see if the superintendent wanted to suspend me for longer.

"But the superintendent wasn't even at the hearing. It was the principal and the athletic director. The vice principal who originally suspended me wasn't even there, and neither was the superintendent." School officials decided to suspend Whalen for an extra 15 days anyway, he said.

Geez, after hearing the details on this kid, they tacked on an extra 15 days to an already ludicrous punishment. 

20 Gee, I wonder if he had a tire-iron in his trunk.

And hey, I hear automobiles are filled with highly flammable gasoline.

21 Why were they going through his glove compartment in the first place?

According to TFA:

Whalen, 17, said he forgot the knife was even in his car when a school administrator confronted him in late September and asked if he had a weapon. He volunteered that he had the pocket-size blade in his car, and walked a vice principal out to his car, where he turned it over without thinking much of the incident.

He is not sure how officials knew the knife was even in his car, but thinks another student may have told a school administrator, probably as a prank.

22 Better is the six year old, brand new cub scout who took his combo knife-fork-spoon to school to eat lunch with because he was so excited, like a little kid should be.  45 day supension, since reduced.

6 is awful young to learn how fucking stupid adults really are.  I'm sure his respect for authority just took a bit of a hit.

23

Reminds me of a book I read as a kid where the head of an English boarding school was found to be incompetent in that position, so they put her in charge of overseeing other school heads. She wasn't any good at that either, so "some friends got her into Parliament, where she lived happily ever after."

Sounds about right. And yeah, homeschooling is awesome for things like this, but when you do screw up you have to face the principal over dinner, and you run the chance of it being brought up years later at holidays So, there's that.

24
We will control EVERY, SINGLE, TINY aspect of your lives soon.

For your own good.

PS: You're welcome.

25 Taking down an Eagle Scout, National Guardsman and potential West Point student, is winning the liberal educator trifecta.

Threadwinner.

26 The jackasses who kick this kid out of school and possibly ruin his future college career are the same ones crying and moaning about high drop-out rates. Hmmmm...

27 Yeah, I agree, WTF were they doing searching his car??!

Posted by: vai2112 at October 14, 2009 03:07 PM (pTLyi)

 

many places, like schools and businesses, have a policy whereby you consent to be searched while on the grounds

 

so this kid might have been ratted out by someone for his swiss army trinket

time for some Ninja Whompin Action�

28 Zero judgment.

If you can't make judgment calls, you should be FIRED from your ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION.  Dear God.

29 23

Reminds me of a book I read as a kid where the head of an English boarding school was found to be incompetent in that position, so they put her in charge of overseeing other school heads. She wasn't any good at that either, so "some friends got her into Parliament, where she lived happily ever after."

Awesome CS Lewis reference!

30 1 1/2-inch key-chain knife

I have toenails more lethal than that.

31 Parents should really be allowed to sue power mad thoughtless fuckwit school administrators when they spit in the face of common sense like this. My God, guys I went to high school with sometimes went hunting before school and had their deer rifles in their trucks. No one cared. Now a kid has  fingernail clippers and prinicipals act like he's Richard Speck and he's going to take the glee club hostage.

32 That's not a knife. Now this is a knife.

33 "We look at any possession of any type of knife as serious."

And when you realize that this idiot school district superintendent makes six figures a year in taxpayer money....

34 This school stupidity is getting out of hand.

35 Just on Fox News - West Point Admissions Director contacted the family and indicated that this should not affect his prospects for admission, and indicated that an Eagle Scout who carries around a survival kit would be perfect for West Point. 

Sanity restored.

36 So Iran has a right to "nuclear power" but heaven forbid a child in our own country own a knife?

37 What is wrong with these people?  A kid, who is issued an M-16 in the Guard, gets a 20 day suspension for having a 2 inch knife in his glove box?  Unless they had some type of probable cause or reasonable suspicion of contraband in the car, they had no business in his car in the first place, and even then, it would be a law enforcement issue, and a 2 inch knife is not contraband.  A police officer would just laugh at them.

What ever happened to common sense?   Are we really letting people this stupid run our schools?  This is just unbelievable.  This superintendent should be ran out of town on a rail.

38 a 1-1/2" penknife is not a weapon. Hell, the last time I got arrested, I pointed out to the officer that I had one on my keychain. He didn't even take it away from me...

39 If he wasn't planning on using it for something nefarious then why was it hidden away in his car instead of being carried around open and in plain sight?

40 My God, guys I went to high school with sometimes went hunting before school and had their deer rifles in their trucks. No one cared. Now a kid has  fingernail clippers and prinicipals act like he's Richard Speck and he's going to take the glee club hostage.

Posted by: UGAdawg at October 14, 2009 03:13 PM (yINdf)

Yep, our parking lot in high school had plenty of pick up trucks with gun racks and guns in them. Wasn't a big deal.

41 "Sanity restored.

Posted by: Flounder at October 14, 2009 03:14 PM (Nrawy)"

Hate to disagree, but this is more like "small island of sanity still exists."

Sanity restored would involve the removal of the superintendent.

42

There was a time when teachers and principals were allowed to use discretion and common sense in disciplinary matters, but school boards have been forced to come up with other options. Zero tolerance results from the failure of liberal education policies that forbid the expulsion of dangerous and disruptive students, because after all every child is special, and if they're being bad it's just because we haven't reached them. BS, some kids do need extra attention but some kids are just downright rotten and should be expelled. Other factors include federal funding formulas (more students = more money so don't kick them out) and some whiny-ass parents who undercut the teachers and the principals in favor of their juvenile delinquents.

As a result the baby often gets thrown out with the bathwater.

43 icepicks are not knives.

44 You're suspended.

45


In fairness to teachers how are they supposed to feel at ease while molesting their students if they don't no which ones my be armed with a pen knife

46

Yep, our parking lot in high school had plenty of pick up trucks with gun racks and guns in them. Wasn't a big deal.

That was before the left realized they had to demasculate the country in order to advance their agenda.

47 This is where he went wrong:
He volunteered that he had the pocket-size blade in his car, and walked a vice principal out to his car, where he turned it over without thinking much of the incident.

BSA needs to start teaching young men that people in positions of authority do not have their best interests in mind.  Never volunteer anything.

48 Coming soon:

"...and then he closed his hand. And it became a fist! A fist is a weapon!"

49 Matt is my godson and I have answers here:

To those who wonder how they discovered the knife in his car, this is how it unfolded.

Some student told administrators that Matt had a knife on him.

Matt was called to the office and asked if he was carrying a knife. He honestly replied he was not.

They then asked him if he owned a knife. He replied, "Of course, I'm an Eagle Scout and a soldier."

At that point, he was asked if he had a knife in his car. He said "yes," and brought them out to the car to show them that it wasn't a big deal -- it does not qualify as a weapon under NY State law.

That is how all this unfolded.

His dad and I decided about a week and a half ago that to fight this we had to take this public. This has gone far beyond what we ever expected. Matt was on Fox & Friends Tue. morning and he and his dad are scheduled to be back on FNC on Thu. night on "Hannity."

50 Does this school have a softball team?

51 Just thank God he didn't have a Midol in his purse to alleviate menstrual pain (without having to make a public trip to the school infirmary and thus giving his classmates person medical info to taunt him about).  You get expelled for that.

52 #48  A shoe is a weapon.

(There's a reason they're called "stillettos").

53 My God, guys I went to high school with sometimes went hunting before school and had their deer rifles in their trucks. No one cared. Now a kid has  fingernail clippers and prinicipals act like he's Richard Speck and he's going to take the glee club hostage.

Posted by: UGAdawg at October 14, 2009 03:13 PM (yINdf)

Same here, I carried a pocket knife to school every day.  That was then, this is now.

54 I got yanked out of study hall my freshman year in high school because the principal knew I had a knife on me.  Ergo, I was the kid that had to open the boxes of new text books.  Said the principal, "I'd do it, but I don't know where the hell my knife went to."

55

 

 

A call to LGF readers -- please help me find the Hot Air comments for our next 'Hot Air Comments of the Day' thread. I'm looking specifically for racist, defamatory, or threatening comments.

Post your findings in this thread.

And his minions Sharmuta and co literally RAN over there to be first to post a link. How pathetic, makes my skin crawl.

56
I can't see Hudson High refusing his acceptance because of this.

57

OK, I'm about to rant heavily, but I've just been dealing with spawns of Satan in my son's classroom and I am frankly sick and tired of this nonsense.

The public schools now REWARD the bad kids in the hopes that they will end their bad behavior. Meanwhile good kids get nothing or are held to a higher standard of accountability and get in trouble more for smaller infractions.

If schools take action against bad kids, they have to file reports with the district, the district has to file reports with the state, and on up to the federal government, and depending on the number of suspensions the district has, their funding can be cut. So why are they even willing to pursue this kind of thing, or is New York funding based on different things than other states?

I am furious. The kids in my son's classroom who are disruptive and violent (punching and kicking other kids) are given good behavior tickets for actually sitting in their seats. And then, at the end of the month, lo and behold the mean students get drawn for the good behavior prizes--because it's all a set-up to get them to behave. BUT THEY DON'T!

Meanwhile the well behaved kids are learning there is no reason to behave or follow the rules because if you do nobody cares. People only care if you break the rules. They are also learning that it is OK if other kids steal from them, if other kids hit and kick them regularly. That there is nothing they can do to stop this behavior because we have to treat the little troublemaking shits with kid gloves.

I've seen the future of the country in these second graders and let me tell you, if you think we're going to hell in a handbasket now, you ain't seen nothin yet.

58 Principal Schmendrick: Monty, your teacher tells me that you brought a weapon to school today. Is this true?
Monty: Weapon? I don't think so.
Principal Schmendrick: (Lays an object on his desk) Then what is this, might I ask?
Monty: It's a pencil.
Principal Schmendrick: Isn't it true that you could put someone's eye out with this thing?
Monty: I guess so. But that's true of almost anything.
Principal Schmendrick: We're not talking about anything; we're talking about this deadly instrument of death right here. This Ticonderoga #2 Death Stick!
Monty: "Death Stick", sir? That seems a bit...hysterical.
Principal Schmendrick: Oh, so now we've gone on to disrespect! I will not tolerate this behavior, young man!
Monty: I note with interest the pen-and-pencil set on your desk at this very moment, sir. Is your objection to any pencil, or simply that pencil?
Principal Schmendrick: Your continued rudeness and disrespect for authority gives me no other choice, young man. You are hereby expelled from this institution, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Monty: ...Can I have my pencil back?

59 I got busted like this 20 years ago.  Zero tolerance policy for having a pocket knife in high school in AL.

I got three days suspension (which hurt my grades a bit, you get 0s for tests/HWs) and I almost got expelled for a semester.  There was an option for going to the alternative school rather than expulsion, so you would not fail all your classes.

My parents hired a lawyer for like $1000 and he talked to a few people and it went away.  

They have zero tolerance policies because it appears racist if you only expel the black kids but let the white kids slide.  Problem is, they have to re-expel the bad kids the next semester.

In my case, they let the kid with the lawyer slide...

60

I can�t help but think about the old 100 year rule here. �What would they have done 100 years ago?�. In this case if a school had such a stupid policy and a principal implemented it in the manner done here. (I know, never happen 100 years ago).

 

I know what would have happened if it at happened to me in the 1950�s. My daddy would have went to the principal�s house and beat the shit out of him.

61 Give 'em hell, Jim Riley. George J. Goodwin and the rest of the school officials up there need to be exposed for what they are.

62 Reminds me of how old I am. I remember when rifles were taken to school because the kids were going hunting afterwards. Makes me wonder if the Leavenworth JROTC program still has a Rifle Corps, or if they're now reduced to pointing a broomstick downrange and shouting "BANG!". I never thought anything of having a knife on me at school. Heh- came in pretty handy when all of us in shop class, including the teacher, would sit out back, drinking Dr Pepper, whittling on something, shooting the breeze.

63

Yep, our parking lot in high school had plenty of pick up trucks with gun racks and guns in them. Wasn't a big deal.

Posted by: Xploding Member at October 14, 2009 03:16 PM (qrEkf)

We used to keep shotguns in the trunk for pheasant hunting. We used to see them on the way to school sometimes, stop and hunt for awhile. There goes first hour. But we never thought to actually take them into the school. 

64  
I would gladly allow the District Superintendent that "weapon" if I could have a go at him with my bare knuckles.

65

I keep wondering how "zero tolerance" pass the test of substantive Due Process?

If, for example, states decided that ANY trace of alcohol on your breath while driving would be considered DUI, could they legally get away with it?

Is there a "Moron, of Counsel" available to comment?

66

#36

not just a child,

a male child

a white child

a good student

with dreams and plans for the future.

 

99.99 % certain to grow up a conservative.

take him out now, punish his goodness, destroy him in the name of the Collective. 

 

67 Posted by: Jim Riley at October 14, 2009 03:19 PM (1meyo)

Damn straight, Jim.  Good on you guys.  Exposing this crap for the stupidity that it is is the only way to save the kid from being marked for life with it.

68

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at October 14, 2009 03:23 PM (RZ8pf)

Three kids.  Homeschooled.  I won't let the sub-dipshits that call themselves "educators" to get near my progeny.

69 1
...District Superintendent George J. Goodwin said Tuesday that he thinks the punishment was "appropriate and fair."

I think George J. Goodwin should be fired. I think that would be "appropriate and fair."

Personally I think District Superintendent George J. Goodwin needs a trip out behind the barn for a good old fashioned horse whipping which would be "appropriate and fair." IMO.

70 Average Jen: You're awesome for spotting it. *fist bump*

71 Reminds me of a principal (in retrospect, a rather brain-dead liberal one) getting on my case because I was wearing sunglasses. Of course, I was just coming in from having lunch outside, and my photosensitive prescription eyeglasses hadn't cleared yet...

(I really wish she'd have made more of an issue about it. Especially since, fifteen minutes later they would have been crystal clear. Watching the reactions would have been fun.)

72

I am furious. The kids in my son's classroom who are disruptive and violent (punching and kicking other kids) are given good behavior tickets for actually sitting in their seats. 

What do you know, rewarding bad behavior doesn't work for misbehaving second graders, nor does it work for misbehaving world leaders. And yet liberals still persist in believing that THIS TIME it will work. No really, it will, if we're just nice enough to guys like Ahmadinejad.

If Seattle's not working out for you, come on down to NC, we still have relatively sane school systems although I can't say that'll last much longer now that we've turned Blue.

73 Personally I think District Superintendent George J. Goodwin needs a trip out behind the barn for a good old fashioned horse whipping which would be "appropriate and fair." IMO.

Tar, feathers, idiotic public bureaucrat -- some assembly required.

74

If, for example, states decided that ANY trace of alcohol on your breath while driving would be considered DUI, could they legally get away with it?

 

Not a lawyer, but I played on TV.  Seriously though, they are not the same thing. The courts allow States to get away with just about anything regarding traffic laws because driving on State roads is a voluntary privilege. You basically agree to give up certain rights for that privilege. Going to school is not a privilege, it is MANDATORY. The courts have consistently ruled that schools and governments do have a justified need to restrict certain rights, but they have not allowed them to trample all over the students rights in an unfettered manner.

75 63
Yep, our parking lot in high school had plenty of pick up trucks with gun racks and guns in them. Wasn't a big deal.

Posted by: Xploding Member at October 14, 2009 03:16 PM (qrEkf)

Hell, we had a shooting range complete with skeet at my HS back in the late 60's.
No one was ever shot at school.

76 #69

Nah, he just needs a high-dollar lawsuit thrown at his ass and a LOT of public exposure.

77 And you guys are freaking me out with this "take out the conservative leaning kids early" thought process. Because now that you are saying that, I'm totally seeing that's what is going on in the classroom.

78 You will get my spork when you take it out of my cold, dead paw.

79 I oughta drive up there and whup that fella's ass.

80 #77
Don't worry, it won't work.  

This get is getting a very good lesson in the functioning of liberal beaurocracy.

81

The superintendent deserves public ridicule.  Why do we pay these guys at a level commensurate with being able to make difficult decisions, when they aren't exercising any judgement at all?

Show up at the next school board meeting and ask.  It's your tax money, rewarding incompetence.

82 Somehow, I don't think this incident is going to hurt this kid's chances of getting into West Point.

It might hurt his chances of him getting into Harvard. . .fortunately for him.

83 Shep Smith reported on Fox that the Point admittance office had no problem with this event.

84

Ticonderoga #2 Death Stick!

 

 

I just re-named my unit...

85 Somehow, I don't think this incident is going to hurt this kid's chances of getting into West Point.

Unless they have a zero-tolerance policy on suspensions.

Jim Riley--good for you.  Tell him we're all cheering for him.

86

As per an allusion in a previous post, get an example of a knife from the school�s cafeteria and compare it to the key-chain knife.

Get a good lawyer, probably one from another town (no reprisals / loss of business / other risks).

Force the issue into court.

Show both items to a judge. Make sure to point out that the cafeteria knife is one-piece stainless steel, and is very much larger than the key-chain knife.

Ask the judge for damages. See if the judge has the power to suspend the entire school district administration without pay until everyone agrees that this particular issue is settled (appeals, etc).

If the judge can't, the voters can.

87 I'm beginning to think school districts across the country have a boy scout bias. I expect to see some shady behavior from the brownies and girl scouts next.

88 Before I go back and read all 87 comments, I want to know what the crap they were doing in the kids car?  In his glove box?

89 I haven't thought about the children's  short story "Pigs is Pigs" about bureaucrats gone wild  in years. 

"Railway agent Mike Flannery wants to charge the livestock rate for a shipment of two guinea pigs and refuses to accept the lower pet rate, saying "pigs is pigs." Flannery believes that the "guinea" is an indication of the pigs' national origin. He argues that they should bear the higher freight charge of 30� for livestock, rather than the lower 25� for domestic pets. In support of this, he submits that if they were "dago pigs" or "paddy pigs", there would be no question of the animals' status.

Because the customer refuses to accept delivery, Flannery is forced to feed and house what he now calls the "dago pigs" in his office, until he receives permission from his superiors to return the pigs to the company warehouse. By this time, the guinea pigs have reproduced geometrically in Flannery's station house. After returning all the descendants, Flannery resolves to charge the lower rate for any future livestock."

wiki says Robert A. Heinlein might have taken a bit of inspiration from this story 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigs_Is_Pigs

90 I have a zero tolerance policy against stupidity, and these recent incidents of good kids gettinng in trouble for small pocket knives crosses the line.   

91 Before I go back and read all 87 comments, I want to know what the crap they were doing in the kids car?  In his glove box?

He consented to the search.  He didn't think he'd done anything wrong.

92

You fucking Yankees are crazy. 

My son went to Woodberry Forest, in VIRGINIA.  He took his shotgun and hunted on the campus farm.

They've never had a problem, everyone had a weapon.

Did I mention that it is a boarding school, with  NO WOMEN?

WTF crazy dope smoking liberal blue state assholes. 

We should have won.

Admit it, we should have won.

Kemp

93 I've always carried a pocketknife since I was 5 or 6 and was given one of my Grandpa's (which I still have).

The only time I don't have one is when I have to fly, and that's only after I had them confiscated a couple of times going through security. Another reason why I hate terrorists.

What the hell is wrong with our society when Scouts having knives is considered wrong? Good luck Jim.

94 Okay, I see HeatherRadish answered my question at 27.  Parents oughta sue.  Talk to Fox.  Call Rush.  Make a lot of noise.

95 Nah, he just needs a high-dollar lawsuit thrown at his ass and a LOT of public exposure.


One of my buds has been through this a couple of times before with his now fully-grown kids. In once case, it's almost EXACTLY what happened here.

It pays to read local and state laws. He found out that school officials could be held personally liable if they falsely accuse a student of a crime. After an angry phone call where he cited chapter and verse, the whole thing was dropped, complete with a personal apology to the kid.

The takeaway? FIGHT BACK.

96

3 Here's a number for Goodwin:

George Goodwin, Superintendent, District Office 518-233-6850

Give him hell.

THIS IS HIS NUMBER!! I JUST CALLED!  LIGHT HIM MORONS!!

Let's shut this phone number down!  SPAMM!

Kemp

 

97

HANNEY??? You on this shit?  I know they read Ace!

Someone email them the thread!

Kemp

98 As for the reaction from Westpoint, I wouldn't worry about it too much.  Mr. Whalen seems "squared away".  I doubt very much he'll have trouble keeping up with homework and projects while sitting at home for a couple of days.  His grades won't suffer at all.

99

Get ready for George J. Goodwin: Death Panelist. The success of public school administration is a shining example of what public healthcare administration has in store for us. The imprimatur of government makes both reason and accountability for public officials not only unnecessary but counterproductive.

100 Because of this and other intrusions into our private lives, I've developed my zero-tolerance policy when dealing with these government/public pinheads and nosy police officers. I am polite and non-threatening; but assert my rights that I do not want to discuss my private life with them.

For example, at these so-called safety traffic stops, I present my license/registration as required; and politely refuse to discuss anything else with the officer. You are under no requirement to answer their questions about where you have been, where you are going, what have you been doing, have you been drinking, etc... They are only fishing for probable cause to arrest you. Never consent to a search of your vehicle/person. Decline to perform field sobriety tests. Do not resist if they decide to detain/search you anyway - the choice is always up to the officer - these tests mean nothing - just make it clear that you have not given permission for a search.

We have rights! Assert them and these kinds of intrusions into our private lives with stop.

Had this young man, after answering that he had no knife on his person, had politely refused to discuss his private life of whether he owned a knife and where it might be found, he mght have had a different outcome. Let them try suspending him for not answering their intrusive questions. He doesn't have to walk them to his car, open it and let them rummage around looking for stuff.

While I generally agree with the statement that Honesty is the Best Policy, it does not apply with these brain-dead zero-tolerance policies and arbitrary police traffic stops. Assert your rights or lose them.

101 HANNEY??? You on this shit? I know they read Ace!

Are you talking about Mr. Hanney from Green Acres?

102

Kempermax, you forgot to mention his extension: 3400

I just called it and it sounds like that cowardly twit is hiding under his desk and has some very flustered and curt lady screening his calls.

So, just to recap, it's George Goodwin, Superintendent, District Office 518-233-6850 extension: 3400

Calling our public officials and letting them know how good of a job they are doing is as American as apple pie.

103 We used to keep shotguns in the trunk for pheasant hunting. We used to see them on the way to school sometimes, stop and hunt for awhile. There goes first hour. But we never thought to actually take them into the school.

Bill R.

My high school had a gun safety course.  The students had to help the teacher carry all those weapons up to the classroom from his car.  But I grew up in that extreme right-wing nation called Canada.

104 The education mafia uses their powers very deftly.  The parents and the kids don't make waves cause something like this could happen to their kid and then they won't get into the college of their dreams.  What a racket, the real maffia would have loved a setup like this one.

105 Proof that zero-tolerance works so well. /s

106 Can this kid sue the school district and the superintendent and anyone else involved should he not make it into West Point?

107

District Superintendent George J. Goodwin should be tarred, feathered, and rode out of town on a rail.

That said, this is, in a way, helpful.  The more they do this to the future men of this country, the more rabid conservatives they make.  I'm sure this young man has learned a valuable lesson - in Leftist totalitarianism and foolishness.  Granted - he was already on our side based on those stats - but this will reinforce his hate for the Left.  I yearn for a day when every responsible adult American realizes that they should hate the Liberals with a hot hot hate, and be very suspicious of any agent of the state.  Nobody does more to bring about my dream than the Leftards themselves.

 

108 Zero Tolerance means liberals don't have to strain their little pea brains and make a judgement call, cause they have a "policy". They prove their unfitness to lead in their every utterance.

109 Ken - I think that school authorities do have the right to search a student's vehicle on school property.  This kid probably just answered the questions because he was raised to be honest and had no idea that his little penknife was such a big deal.

110 I was in the scouts when I was little and I wanted to bring my pocket knife with me everywhere I went.  One day my Dad told me I couldn't carry my knife with me anymore.  Naturally, I asked him why. He said: "because we live in Massachusetts".  It took me a few years to figure that one out.

This high school should be doing everything in their power to help get this young man into West Point, not doing everything in their power to suck the life out of him.

111 The cubscout's dad is named Curtis Christie, per sean hannity.  wonder if he is related to the christie running for governor of new jersey?

112

Posted by: ken at October 14, 2009 03:58 PM (cCyli)

A bunch of friends and I have the idea of fucking up a "Sobriety Checkpoint".  Each of us have one beer.  Put something on the backseat and cover it with a blanket or a towel or something.  Then 30 cars in a row, with drivers who have been drinking and smell like beer, with supsicious items in their cars, all arrive in single file and begin explaining their rights not to consent to a search, do a field sobriety test, etc, to the cops.  Shut that highway down for 3 hours without breaking a single law.  I'd like to take it nationwide.

113 Many parents knuckle under to stupid rules and regulations because they don't really know the laws.  Or even the stupid rules and policies set down by the power-made tyrants that make the rules.  Parents often have much more power in the school system than they realize.  But you have to find out the rules and you have to have the backbone to stand up for your rights and your child's rights.

114 #95
My experience with chicken-s@#$ beaurocrats is that they always cave to external or public pressure.   Lawsuits are a good way, though not the only way.

It costs this school district absolutely nothing to reduce this kids suspension to nothingness, where as it may cost them a great deal if they are sued (even if no damages are eventually awarded).

Now reversing the situation a bit, in fairness to these idiotic administrators, this one in question heard that the student in question had a knife.  It was then his responsibility to investigate. I don't think he was out of line in asking if the student had one in his car; for all he knew, the kid had a samurai sword in his backseat.  This is the post-Columbine era, after all.

The student in question should simply have taken the fifth, but he didn't.   He was foolish in taking the administrator to his car, but that doesn't justify the harsh punishment. 

Where this should have been dropped was after seeing the knife in question.  At THAT point the administrator should simply have used common sense discretion and told the student that though the knife was small, he should leave it at home from that point onwards, letting the matter drop there instead of trying to make an example of him.

115

>What the hell is wrong with our society when Scouts having knives is considered wrong?

 

well, the BSA have been under fire ever since they decided they didn't want fudge-packers around the kids

116 will no one rid me of this troublesome sockpuppet?

117

Regarding the moral fibre issue: for some time, I have wondered if the school suspension part of "zero-tolerance" is something some (and only some) academics embrace, as they know for many kids such a suspension on their record knocks them out of the running for elite schools etc--and thus reduces by that number of anyone in the elites favorably disposed towards self-defense and rugged independence. In this regard, it is the same thing as the attitude towards Limbaugh--some administrators wish to deny legitimacy to the very idea of knives, guns, etc., and will use any convenient hammer.

In other words, there are those absolutely ruthless, and they are in academia and the media. They just intend to win, period, and no conservative will ever be given a fighting chance to advance in society if they can help it. And they will do it subtly, but surely, by using seemingly good laws for ill purposes.   

Because you see, they never got a chance to pay back American society for the sins of its past, so now they will insure the children pay for it.

 

 

118 114 looking closely

Exactly!  If I was that administrator, and knowing the kid wasn't a troublemaker, I would have told him, "I didn't see this.  Leave it at home from now on."

119

George Goodwin, Superintendent, District Office 518-233-6850
I called the school.  Press 5 wait a second and press 1.  I called and told them the crowbar in the kids trunk was more dangerous than the knife and they were idiots.  The sissification of our species is being propogated and nurtured by this idiocy and they should be ashamed of themselves. 

They said they registered my comments and thank you.   They said thank you. I heard F you in their voice.

120

Tell me this is an Onion story! A jacknife in the glove compartment? A crowbar in the trunk? Have you seen how some kids drive? Principal Skinnner, you are a idiot!

Cahrles, I've heard you like to lick Kilgore's trout. Any truth to that?    

121 That kid is this year's Joe the Plumber.

122

It just occurred to me that idiots don't realize that what they are doing is idiotic.  That's actually understandable.  What's not understandable is, where are all the non-idiots to tell them?  Do schools not have them?  Are schools non-idiot free zones now?  Do they have a zero tolerance against non-idiots in school zones?

This is starting to have a very Matrixy feel about it. 

123

District Superintendent George J. Goodwin said Tuesday that he thinks the punishment was "appropriate and fair."

Good Lord. And to think .. this kid will be protecting this dung beetle's freedom.

More of us need to start running for school board. It's the only way to take back our kids' schools.

124 Don't just piss and moan about this idiocy on this blog.  We have a duty to oppose these idiots or it will continue.  I called and raised hell.  Have you?

125 It just occurred to me that idiots don't realize that what they are doing is idiotic.  That's actually understandable.  What's not understandable is, where are all the non-idiots to tell them?  Do schools not have them?  Are schools non-idiot free zones now?  Do they have a zero tolerance against non-idiots in school zones?

There are non-idiots in education, but they either don't last or learn to keep their heads down.

126 125 Rob Crawford

A few of us keep fighting on.

127 Don't just piss and moan about this idiocy on this blog.  We have a duty to oppose these idiots or it will continue.  I called and raised hell.  Have you?

Venting your spleen is supposed to solve what, exactly?
 

128 In the universe run by me, District Superintendent George J. Goodwin would be used as bait to catch sharks.

It's assholes like this that give upstate New York a bad name. Fucking douche bag idiot bastard.

One a lighter note, Eagle Scout's senator can illustrate this incident as a character building lesson in dealing with people who should otherwise be killed in Eagle Scouts recommendation letter to West Point.

129 It would be cool if students organized a "bring a knife to school day". Everybody bring some harmless form of knife: butter knife, toy keychain pocketknife, putty knife, whatever. Everybody take 20 days off in the name of civil disobedience.

Have somebody get up and make a speech about how we dream about a day when we are judged by the content of our character and not by what harmless tools are stowed in our cars.

130 This is such a knucklehead dream anecdote--the kind of story that's supposed to prove the values of "commonsense."

Leftists like me are above such things. Other things we're above? Knowing that common sense is two words.

That's what an education in social sciences will do for you, I guess. Hey, at least I was able to talk my Gender Studies professor into giving him a Long Island Tootsie Roll.

131 Ahh, mumbleypeg at recess.  Good times.

132 No wonder kids 'don't think' today.  Look what they have to look to as examples.
Question:  If the knife was in the glovebox of his car, how did they find it?

133 What's not understandable is, where are all the non-idiots to tell them?  Do schools not have them?  Are schools non-idiot free zones now?  Do they have a zero tolerance against non-idiots in school zones?

Those that can, do.
Those that can't, teach.
Those that can do neither go into politics.

True story.

134 This would not happen at a school that relied upon tuition checks written directly by parents and private donations to cover teacher salaries.

135 We use to bring our rifles on the school bus so we could go hunting on the way home. The driver had a rifle rack mounted in the bus. Every boy had a knife. No problems what so ever.

136

"Sometimes young people do things they may not see as serious," Goodwin said. "We look at any possession of any type of knife as serious."

Mr. Goodwin. What a perfect name for a nutless pussy. I loathe these useless wastes of oxygen.

137

In my kids' high school, the good kids get in trouble for being tardy, and the bad kids get let off the hook for stealing, fighting, threatening students and/or teachers, etc.  Last year a kid hit a teacher with some sort of stick or long wooden object, and I believe the school board actually voted not to expell him for the entire year.  Another kid threatened to kill a teacher who told him to quit talking and do his work. The kid got suspended for a week and the teacher took a leave of absence. 

The teachers are afraid of the bad kids (and their friends) so they get by with everything, but the good kids would probably get expelled for having a plastic butter knife.

138

Venting your spleen is supposed to solve what, exactly?

Venting my spleen is about all I can do from Ohio. It would be nice to work against the school board members. I would even enjoy slapping the stupid out of the assholes but pointing out their stupidity, humiliating them from afar and encouraging others is to do so is the only tool in my warchest.

Verbal abuse is an effective weapon. Ask Acorn, Jessie Jackson James Carvel and the cast of characters on the other side. I hope yours was a serious question rather than a lame attempt to ridicule.

Just for the record, when this type of stupid shit happened to my kids, I would be at the school calling meetings with fellow upset parents and getting in the face of teachers and administrators.

Get off you dead ass and do something or this shit will continue to get worse otherwise you will be part of the problem.

139 What utter stupidity! A good kid that thoughtfully works towards an honorable achievement for years possibly knocked back by a power hungry nobody.

140 Just to illustrate how far down the sissy road we've slouched, when I was in High School, just outside Sacramento (Dad was military), California no less. I had to have a wood shop project(most schools don't teach wood shop anymore btw). The Shop teacher assigned me the project of building a hard case for the Principle's hunting rifle. So, two days a week, for several weeks, I would march down to his office and retrieve his scoped Weatherby 30-06 and tramp through the school toward the wood shop. People didn't pay me much notice. And believe it or not, I didn't kill anyone with it. We have become a nation of hopelessly helpless pussies that need a plumber to fix a fucking commode. Pathetic. 

141 So who here can apply Rules for Radicals to this situation? As a non-expert I think an applicable precept is to make them live up to their own rules. Document all the "weapons" one can find in the administrators offices. Shut the school down with demands to apply the rules to every student and every "weapon". The "zero tolerance" rule is impossible to not break. That is its weakness. It's time to exploit that.

142 Posted by: katya at October 14, 2009 04:10 PM (snZLE)

It feels like they have no power at all.  Even if the law is on their side, their kid still has to go to that school with those teachers.  Ultimately the teachers and administrators hold all the power.   Always wonder about the fact that when you apply to college you have to sign your right away to have the ability to see the recommendations of your teachers.  Waht happens to the kid who doesn't want to sign their right away?   Does that kid end up without recommendations?  And what do teachers say about a kid that they don't want the kid or parent to see?  Everyone goes along with the system since they don't want their kid to have o recommendations for college, they don't want to be the test case kid.  Essentially, they, the teachers and administrators hold all the cards and sometimes weild them very unfairly.  What is worse, the stuff they do, could arbitrarily ruin a kids life.

143

If "venting your spleen" is all you can do, THEN DO IT!

By calling out these hammerheads and making these little men uncomfortable, you provide a huge disincentive for their bad behavior and you will make them think twice about attempting to ruin another child's future because they are so embittered and hateful. Give them as much understanding as they give; which would be almost none. Make it personal. Take it to them. They are not good, nor decent, people.

They hate it. They are not used to being mocked and ridiculed or ever having to defend their moronic actions.

Call them! Call them while you are pissed, but call them because it does make a difference.

Remember, RULES FOR RADICALS BABY!

144

There is no more petty tyrant than the modern public school administrator.

 

145 "134 This would not happen at a school that relied upon tuition checks written directly by parents and private donations to cover teacher salaries.

Posted by: armchairpunter at October 14, 2009 04:39 PM (Uvvz7)"

Mpt rea;;y, depends on what side of the issue you are on.  If you are one with all the powerful parents you are good to go, but, if you are ont he opposite side fo the powerful parents, they will work to get you out and since it is a private school they can make sure the administration asks you to leave.  Since most parents with kids in private school have to work very hard to keep them there to make sure they make the ivies, everyone tows the line.

146

Thats the way to do it Jim!! it works.

 

147

Because of this he wil not get the Nobel Peace Prize.

 

148 Posted by: bonhomme at October 14, 2009 04:52 PM (9JyVe)

Damn straight, skippy. Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

149

#100

true conservs are naturally inclined towards openness and honesty.

the System punishes us for that.

 

150 Hopefully West Point is smart enough to account for douche bag school administrators and adjust accordingly when reviewing a candidate.

151 I hope Stupidtendant Goodwin isnt wearing a belt, that could be a weapon.

152 And another fine example of the "Peter Principal".

153 "Kid - Have you rehabilitated your self?"
-- Alice's Resturaunt

154

In the meantime, what kind of suspensions are say, the kids who deal dope and get into real fights  at that school getting?  Better be more than 20 days, just sayin'. 

This is so freaking ridiculous -- the schools have gone t.u.

 

155 As an Eagle Scout (...card signed by Richard Nixon)  I appreciate his desire to be prepared.

Sometime in the future....

Whalen is driving along and comes upon a car crash.  The superintendent is trapped and needs his seat belt cut free. (Or, pick your own scenario covered by the learning from the two dozen merit badges he has).

Cut you free?  mmmm sorry, no (2") knife
Mouth to mouth?  mmmm sorry, no physical contact limitation
Pull you free?  mmmm sorry, I need you to sign this good samaritan release form.

I have some colorful pom poms though if you would like to make and apply your own tourniquet .

156 I think parents need to grow a set and dump a barrel of whoop ass on a bunch of school administrators. Firing it too good for them. 154 you must be kidding, a liberal administrator do something about drug dealers in school. Most of the drugs in school are supplied by teachers and administrators. Just like prison, want something pay an administrator/guard.

157 Posted by: Scrapiron at October 14, 2009 06:15 PM (GkYyh)

School Administrator is a job for life, the can't be fired.  The union portects them and when it doesn't, since they must know all the school district dirt, that protects where the union can't.  It is a legal mafia.

158 Don't ever forget, this is the left's way of making suspension figures look less "disparate". Blacks get caught with guns (weapon) whites get caught with scout knives (weapon). End result: racial parity in suspensions.

It is no more complex than this.

159 As with the TSP, schools still allow 6 inch sharpened spikes to be carried and used by any and everyone. Why is it that pencils are not part of the zero tolerance policy?

160 This young man is now immunized from anything libtard or DNC related.

161 I'm wondering if the "school" counts the silverware after meals

162 I know a few SOF types who would have a field day inspecting this school and showing them the probably hundreds of weapons littering the halls, offices, and classroom... never mind those baseball bats.

163

86 As per an allusion in a previous post, get an example of a knife from the school�s cafeteria and compare it to the key-chain knife.

I am not sure they still have actual metal flatware in school cafeterias.  There is probably not a butter knife to be found.

164 As a follow on... this young NG Member should have a few subject-matter experts for "Discovery is a Bitch" phase... I would gladly challenge Superintendent George J. Goodwin using his baseball bat vs. him using Grandfather Whale's penknife.

I imagine that Goodwin would run screaming for the hills that he has been threatened with a deadly weapon.

165 I am not sure they still have actual metal flatware in school cafeterias.

The cafeteria probably has more deadly weapons than you could count on all digits. That is 21+.

Mop handle - quarter staff.
Fry Pan - cudgel.
soonandsoforth...

166

@65: "If, for example, states decided that ANY trace of alcohol on your breath while driving would be considered DUI, could they legally get away with it?"

Yes, they probably could, but they'd spend so much time defending against false positives (mouthwash, sore throat spray, etc.) that it probably wouldn't be enforced much, if at all.

167

Zero Tolerance allows dim witted administrators to skate by the tough decisions.  Any school system should pay their teachers and principals minimum wage because zero tolerance is simply a device to make their jobs easier.

168 <I>
Mop handle - quarter staff.
Fry Pan - cudgel.
soonandsoforth...</i>

A boat load of #2 pencils...and probably a chemistry lab, full of nifty chemicals. A competent chemist could whip a batch of sarin gas.

169

A bunch of friends and I have the idea of fucking up a "Sobriety Checkpoint".  Each of us have one beer.  Put something on the backseat and cover it with a blanket or a towel or something.  Then 30 cars in a row, with drivers who have been drinking and smell like beer, with supsicious items in their cars, all arrive in single file and begin explaining their rights not to consent to a search, do a field sobriety test, etc, to the cops.  Shut that highway down for 3 hours without breaking a single law.  I'd like to take it nationwide.

What a great idea.  How does obstruction of justice sound, or some other bogus charge.  Do this?  One of you all should be a lawyer.  Did I mention video taping the event?

Kemp

170

155 As an Eagle Scout (...card signed by Richard Nixon)  I appreciate his desire to be prepared.

Got ya, mine sign by JFK! 

Wonder if the new cards have "The One's signature" ?

I'll have to ask.  Both my sons had BUSH! 

Kemp

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Didn't anyone ever see Apt Pupil?  When the teacher/administrator takes the kid aside to punish him, the kid should quietly, but firmly, remind the teacher/administrator that no one is around observing them, and that the things the kid will say about what the teacher/administrator did/tried to do to him during that unobserved period will never *ever* go away.

Problem solved.

173 These rat bastards never cease to piss me off. When I was growing up I not only wouldn't have considered a 1.5 inch pocket knife to be a weapon, I wouldn't have even considered it a knife. I would have figured it for a nail file or something. What kind of a nation of sissies are these school administrators trying to raise? Rats, the lot of them.

174

So I guess learning to whittle is out as a basic requirement of being a kid?  The dumbasses in charge are so scared of 6 year olds plunging the knife into "teach" at the first sign of trouble.  Is this what we've become?  Criminy.

175 Would be amusing to find out his dad was buddies with the principal and the whole thing was a setup to guarantee he'd get into West Point.

176

I have zero tolerance for this zero tolerance.

I bet the school district pays a lot of money to their Superintendent and administrators based on experience, judgement and discretion.  While at the same time, Superintendents and administrators do everything they can to a) avoid having to use their discretion b) avoid responsibility for making a decision.

So if everything can be codified into a bunch of rules that even a child can blindly follow and discretion is no longer part of decision-making, you should be able to replace highly paid education professionals with a bunch of minimum wage workers.

If I was on the school board, that policy would have never been enacted in the first place, and yes, I would vote to fire them.

177 175 Would be amusing to find out his dad was buddies with the principal and the whole thing was a setup to guarantee he'd get into West Point.

Posted by: agmike at October 14, 2009 11:23 PM (CCqrP)

Fail Troll, fails.

178 I would have been hauled out of high school in leg irons and charged with terrorism these days.

We used to carry POCKET FLAME THROWERS, and routinely fired them off in the hallways and during assemblies when it was dark and some movie was being shown.  Good clean fun and American ingenuity is no longer permitted.

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I believe the reasoning for the zero-tolerance policy is so that school administrators aren't charged with "raaaaacism!"  when they confiscate weapons from young black thugs.   The last thing the school board wants is Jesse Jackson and Al Shartpton on the front doorstep, national press in tow, claiming that poor Marcellus only used his 10" switchblade to hold down his paperwork in the breezy classroom; so obviously the REAL reason teachers didn't want the kid and his knife in class was because they were stereotyping a black kid as being a thug or something....

181 Too bad he didn't claim to be an ACORN intern. He could have said it was a letter opener he needs to use when processing bogus voter registration cards, and he'd have been on his way.

182 Damn glad they didn't check us too close in the '50s. I carried, at all times, a switch blade and on weekends, my zip gun!
The 1st day of BMT in '54 a guy was caught with a loaded pistol and a pint of hooch!
Ahh, the good old days.

183

Do you have any doubts he is a liberal and a moron?

What the hell does this slobbering idiot thinks you can do with a 2� knife locked up in your car?

I think the school district needs to hire an administrator with more than 2 brain cells operating, but then he wouldn�t be the politically correct right party for that district.

Common sense in America is endangered specie

 

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I know -- I'm commenting after nike shoes, so the thread is dead -- but how about this:

The parents go to a Board of Education meeting and agree that Zero Tolerance is a good idea -- so good that it should be applied to everyone. Then they propose that a Zero Tolerance policy be instituted for teachers. Any teacher of any age who has any type of sexual contact with any student in any grade gets fired and loses all tenure and benefits.

Then see who objects, and ask them to spell their names for the local newspaper's reporter.

187

Someone mentioned 'common sense'.  I wonder if educator Goodwin can teach a course in 'common sense'?  It would be interesting to see what grade that Superintendent George Goodwin received from his college course work when he took Common Sense 101. 

Oh, you say he didn't take that course.  Now I understand.

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