1 According to the left there's no such thing as a non-far right.

2 Far Right

Fahr Rahyt

Def.

Normal people

3 I'd do things with / to / for Sarah Palin that would make what Jack London did with White Fang seem tame by comparison.

... and I'd vote for her, too.

4 Anyone have a copy of Dum-Dum's Field Guide to Classifying Conservatives?

I believe it places a lot of weight on what Keith Olbermann thinks.

5

Please - please - please!  Some real news, for pete's sake.

What is Barry wearing?  We're dying here.

6 That panel of douches makes my skin crawl.

7

they don't like the truth without it being sugar coated, suave ,dry, delayed. and  especially by what they deem as  a hick. (or one of the masses) we don't dare call them on anything. leave that to those crease lickers, after they have imbibed of all the freebees  dinner parties and pate they can get.

8 Re. the elitists: Two related columns "Are conservative elitists brain dead?" and a defence of Glenn Beck citing Ann Coulter.

 

9 Good Lord! Palin's not wearing any pants at all in that video! How can I accurately determine her worth?

10 Allah is a squish sonuvabitch.
Fuck him and his little plus sized pundit he follows around on Twitter.

11 Allah, I'm sure did not defend Palin. He puts her with Beck and that horrible Jesus fellow who, historically, has done so much damage.

12 You dont get it do you. Mainstream conservative is FAR RIGHT to these sub-morons.
Only mostly.lefty.squishy.middle.republicans are the decent ones, you know.

Control of the discourse is everything to these people. And they seem to still have it. Lots and lots of libs don't like Sarah, and they can't point to a single fact or thought that led them to that conclusion, other than the fact that the MSM hates her with a white hot passion, and says she's not nice or something.

13 I will not accept the word of someone who makes political assessments by noticing how sharp a politician's pants crease happens to be.  In what asinine intellectual world is that even a basis for evaluating whether or not a man has what it takes to lead the free world?

14 Allah is a squish sonuvabitch.
Fuck him and his little plus sized pundit he follows around on Twitter.

So don't read him. I don't understand why people feel the need to come over here and complain about AP.

15 I'd never die in the arms of that fish.  That 'crease' in Obama's trousers is still quite intriguing though. 

16

Curiosity...

Did she mention creationism.  Cuz if she did, there goes the rest of the 'true conservatives".

17 Considering that that woman was standing next to the hottest guy to go anywhere near the 2008 campaign, you have to think that Brooks is an epic failure even as a down-low boyfriend.  Bad test in dudes, bad taste in politics . . .

18 MSM/Beltway Rule #1: Conservatives can't fight back.
MSM/Beltway Rule #2: Those who violate rule #1 are extremists.
MSM/Beltway Rule #3: You only have principles when you agree with us.

19 And Ace is on Sarah's pac weblog and Hot Air isn't. That's gotta burn a little for AP.

20 Sarah is the ONLY reason I sent johnny Mac a grand during the election.  This is where I disagree with Rush, I think we gota go 3rd Party.  Just because off the GOP elites on panel, they are not going anywhere.  They are not going to give up control of the party.  They control it at the local level, and pick the farm team that later run for higher office.  They hate Sarah because she didn't need them to establish her brand.

21

Sarah Palin is worst that Hitler and Satan combined.  She's obviously a creationist racist who doesn't believe in global warming.  (Praise be upon Al Gore.)

Ace, you are hereby banned from the intrawebs. 

22 in my mind i now call them the champaigne, (they drink) and rape (not rape rape but rape) our minds without giving us a decent  cigarette or a kiss afterwards. but a note on the dresser that sounds like this "shut up".

23

You have to keep in mind the left's political topography is like that New Yorker map of the world as seen from Manhattan.

You have the center (Barack Obama), the right (David Brooks) and the far right (everybody to the right of David Brooks).

24

I will not accept the word of someone who makes political assessments by noticing how sharp a politician's pants crease happens to be.

I live with 4 real guys (husband and sons). If any of them even noticed that pants had a crease, I would faint.

That alone tells me a lot about Brooks.

25 fwiw, I'd bet if Sarah Palin looked like ... say ... Laura Kightlinger, telegenic but not too telegenic, then AllahPundit would be more okay with her than he is now.

Palin is an attractive woman. 

Allah is a self-professed beta male ... and a blogger.

It's a solution that's not particularly difficult to put together.

-

26 You'd think I could at least spell.

My pants aren't even creased.

27 I think some of these "guys" pee a little down their crease at the mere mention of Palin. Pansy assed Nancy boys the lot of them.

28

I am a bit perplexed at how either confused meaning applies to Sarah Palin. She is not "far right" ideologically -- she is solidly in the mainstream of conservativism.

Exactly right. Labeling her "far right" is an attempt to smear her due to the extreme pants filling syndrome she causes the leftoids. Anyone who causes them to irrigate their loafers is someone I can vote for. I would love for her to cause a mass die off of leftoids due to loose bowel syndrome. What a tragedy that would be. It might take some (mikey moore) a couple of months to squirt out a fatal amount of their stuffing.

29
In what asinine intellectual world is that even a basis for evaluating whether or not a man has what it takes to lead the free world?

The same world that reports Google searches as leading economic indicators with a straight face.

30 I love Brooksie whining that Palin was the one person responsible for the coarsening to the campaign.

The VP nominee serving as an attack dog during a presidential campaign? Who has ever heard of such a thing? Obviously that's only something someone as smart as David Brooks would know about.

31 GEez, maddog took that notion over the top, good one dude.

32 So don't read him. I don't understand why people feel the need to come over here and complain about AP.

Say Joe, Ace made Allahpundit the centerpiece of the posting.  Should Xploding Member strikeout any and all references to him?

Just curious.

33

Sarah Palin is worst that Hitler and Satan combined.  She's obviously a creationist racist who doesn't believe in global warming.  (Praise be upon Al Gore.)

Ace, you are hereby banned from the intrawebs. 

Posted by: Chas. Johnson-Killgore-Sharmuta, Esq. at October 05, 2009 01:33 PM (uHvsp)

Sharmuta loved Sarah before Chaz told her she must hate her.

34 I am soooo done with David Brooks et al.  They have aligned themselves with my enemies, ergo they are my enemies as well.  There are few things I despise more than some preening, pompous blue ribbon ass telling me what to do or how to think.  I have a brain.  I have an education.  I have a job.  And I have been feeding and dressing myself for a very long time.  I look at Sarah Palin and I see a very accomplished, self-confident woman.  What has David Brooks done?  Really.  What are his accomplishments?  Kathleen Parker?  Maureen Dowd?  Paul (yes, humanoid sub-species can too be taught to read and write and I'm living proof) Krugman???  Give me a break!!!  These educated elitists need to sit down and STFU!  They have absolutely no clue what really matters to those of us in "flyover" country, and I doubt they really care.  However, the downfall of Acorn will hopefully curtail democrat voter fraud efforts nationwide in 2010 and we can kick them all to the curb.

35 @14 See how this thread started "In Allah's Quotes the Day...". Hence the references to Allah. No one just spontaneously read his ravings at Hot Air and came over here to bash him. Ace brought it up.

36 Media elites on the left and right can lick my sack. Sarah's the real deal.

37 Palin, Beck, Limbaugh? How do they rate when it comes to glorious pant creases and perfectly mixed dry martinis?

Nowhere! Be gone swine!

(So sayeth the elitists, who keep digging, digging, and digging.)

38
What has David Brooks done?  Really.  What are his accomplishments?

He's successfully passed himself off as 'straight' *ahem* for 40+ years, so there's that.

39 Brooks only wants to be in the good graces of the side he believes will be in power forever. They already own the people who write his paychecks so why make waves that tip your own boat.

40

They detest they are not in control of the information anylonger. dismay and gnashing of teeth, hear the grinding? tee hee

left and right  get together to undermine the flow. why she is, she is, omg she is a commoner!

really it is quite lovely.

41

Of all the things that can be said about Sarah Palin, she certainly smoked out a shitpot full of slugs who called themselves conservatives.  I hope she keeps talking just for that.  These people deserve to be marginalized, imo.

 

42 Whenever a libtard says "Sarah Palin, really?" just respond with "Joe Biden, really?" and begin laughing. That kills them.

43

"Death panels" would be fine, if it wasn't a lie. Of course, it is a lie, catchy and easy to remember, but a lie nonetheless.

And Republicans, like the good little parrots they are, have continually spouted it, just like they were supposed to.

44 Did someone say Sarah Palin doesn't wear pants?  I'll have to look into that.

45 Say Joe, Ace made Allahpundit the centerpiece of the posting.  Should Xploding Member strikeout any and all references to him?

I wouldn't call AP the "centerpiece" of the post. The centerpiece, IMO, is the pronouncements of the "elites". AP was mentioned once, for his role in bringing together a couple of quotes. But it seems that any mention of his name brings out the snarl in some people.

Fine. Some people don't like the guy. He has a real talent for tweaking the sensitivities of his readership. He is what is known in the professional wrestling world as a "heel." People hate him, but they keep coming back to hate him.

46 People like David Brooks are terrified that Sarah Palin will get the GOP Presidential nomination in 2012, and that they will then have to talk to... *shudder* regular people.  You know, people who don't have Ivy League degrees -- and worse yet, who don't understand that only people with Ivy League degrees are competent to run the country.

47 End of life panels.  End of life panels.  End of life panels.

48 Sarah Palin was the target of hysterical hatred before we knew anything unusual about her - except that she hadn't aborted Trig. So that's it. To be considered a moderate, she had to kill her baby.

Second, she did talk back to the One, which John McCain never did or would do, and that won't be forgotten.

But third, and this is connected with the first point, she's extreme because she means what she says. Mitt Romney might say all the same things - and I'm sure he will if it will advantage him - but liberals don't take such offense at him because he could just as easily be saying the opposite if it was profitable. He was saying the opposite when it was profitable. But Sarah only has one version of the truth, and, like Ronald Reagan, she acts on it, cheerfully. She's pro-life, so Trig lives. She believes in clean, lean government, so she ran Alaska that way to the extent that it was within her power to do so.

Nothing is more extreme than living up to your principles.

There are very few Republicans who by the Palin test - do you really mean that and would you act on it? - are extremists.

49 Any odds on YOu tube choking bandwidth on that video? I would bet for it. They are pretty well established as lefties in my book.

50 40

They detest they are not in control of the information anylonger. dismay and gnashing of teeth, hear the grinding? tee hee

left and right  get together to undermine the flow. why she is, she is, omg she is a commoner!

really it is quite lovely.

The only people who still get their news from TV and newspapers are all going to be dead in less than 15 years.

51

Gentlemen, give David Brooks a break.

Please.

It's not David's fault. When he was in high school he took that career assessment test we all took and his only career options were "columnist" and "speed bump". Incredibly, he managed to fulfill both options in one position.

52 I thought we had "moved on" from Mrs. Palin?

Here's the truth. The more you fete her as a leader in the GOP, the more it helps Democrats. Democrats love her.

Apparently, ace, you love the Democrats.

53 Posted by: JEA at October 05, 2009 01:42 PM (bWB5j)

It was a "lie" (winkie-winkie) that actually brought about some changes in some statements in the proposed crap sandwich of the legislation.  But Axe doesn't want us to mention that part.

Guess the Olympic-sized failure caused Axe to hire some new idioturfers to go around the net and spew. 

54 Actually, I ignore Allah and read Ed. I resent having to glean his ravings from the rest. I hope Michelle is paying attention to his lefty leanings before the blog goes LGF.

55 Here's the truth. The more you fete her as a leader in the GOP, the more it helps Democrats. Democrats love her.

Really? They're doing a lousy job of expressing that.

56 Nice to see the Mav is well into his backstabbing mode again; after energizing his pathetic campaign he has to get in a few digs about how Palin didn't work and play well together with the squishy douches that ran the fucking thing into the ground.  Well done Mav; you're back in the good graces of Gregory, Frumsie, Brooksie and the rest of your reach-around buds where you can frag us conservatives who held our fucking noses and voted for a rancid piece of shit like you in November.  Do us all a favor and just shut your fucking mouth and teach your slutty daughter how to act in public.  Tammy Bruce is probably available for that job and sounds very willing to do it.

57

What if...we got Palin, Rush, Beck, Nugent, Bolton, and Hanson to start a 3rd party together? What % of the presidential vote would it get? Discuss. Also, who else could be added to this list to create "Teh Awesome Party"? And "Bacon" is not an acceptable answer.

(Yes, The Nuge is kind of out there. But he annoys the right people, so he's all right by me).

58 My silk hosiery is immaculately creased, but for some reason David Brooks never notices.

59 If a democrat says something's a lie you can bet the opposite is the case.

60 Katrina Van Schnitzel on any show is a reason not to watch.  Throw Brooks into the mix and it's game over.

61

Ske kept the bars open late in her small town, she's a fan of ACDC and Van Halen, so much so that she named her son in part after them. She doesn't think car companies should be taken over by the government, that we should spend money we don't have on projects that don't work, that we shouldn't bow down to foreign tyrants whether in Moscow, Beijing, Riyadh or Tehran 

 

She does say we should whenever possible, go after our energy supplies, that are soldier, sailors and airmen should be supported, that government should get out of the way of the private sector, also whenever possible. I know crazy right wing talk

62

43 JEA

Please, do us all a favor and get a clue.  "Death Panels" aren't a lie, they are a reality in your homeboy's little craptastic healthcare bill of BS.  Along with higher taxes, lousy medical care and no funds for research.

63 catchy and easy to remember, but a lie nonetheless.


Like "over Jordan contingency committee"

or

"planned lack of oxygen event"

64 People hate him, but they keep coming back to hate him.

Conversely, Ace keeps linking and quoting him.  Some might see a certain connectivity there.

65 What if...we got Palin, Rush, Beck, Nugent, Bolton, and Hanson to start a 3rd party together? What % of the presidential vote would it get? Discuss.

I would guess it would pull in about 15%, almost all of it drawn away from the Republicans. Thus, the D's would have a cakewalk to victory.

66 She tears the GOP apart. Which is good.

67 The left is so dishonest and assholish.  Everything is extreme right wing.  They refuse to listen or to even comprehend what their opponents say.  But then again, why should we expect them to invest more brainpower in understanding their opponents than their own side.  These people barely understand their own ideals...look at the ones who have no idea what is even in HR3200.

68

I love Camille Paglia's take on the media/liberal meltdown re Sarah. I think she really nails it. Same with her lashing of fake feminists and thier "problems" with Sarah.

 

69 Posted by: Camille Paglia at October 05, 2009 01:45 PM (0NFKC)

Go fuck yourself; the real Camille understands the appeal of Palin.

70 >>It was the first and only time a prominent Republican -- or hell, a prominent anything -- dared to stand up and clearly declare that Barack Obama was incompetent, inexperienced, and utterly unprepared for the Presidency, and a left-winger to boot.

In fairness, Giuliani said it too.  He made fun of Obama's credentials as a "community organizer" and also his penchant for voting "present" claiming that executives have to actually make decisions.

In fact, Giuliani was spot on.

71 Conversely, Ace keeps linking and quoting him.  Some might see a certain connectivity there.

Maybe AP has a habit of posting things that Ace wants to comment on.

72 Read Oliphants cartoon today.

http://news.yahoo.com/comics/pat-oliphant

This is exactly what GOP elites and mainstream media think of middle American conservatism.

To hell with them all.

73 I think if pressed for the reasons for calling Palin "far right" they'd include all the debunked claims. Eg: she banned books in the Wasilla library, she cut special needs funding, she was a member of an Alaskan secessionist party, she endorsed Buchannan, etc.

74 Rush calling Obama a beta male at this moment.

75

Back in my Townhall blogging days I once asked one of the ignorant trolls who called himself a “moderate” how he defined “far right” when he used that term to describe one of the other posters. Specifically, I asked him how he would differentiate someone who is “far right” from someone who is simply a conservative.

 

I never did get an answer.

 

The only people who use the term “far right” are commies and socialists.  I guess tothem, anyone who is not a communist is “far right”.

 

76 No, the reason they see her as a "far right extremist" is she's a Christian and doesn't hide or apologize for it.

77 If 'death panels' makes Palin far-right, doesn't that mean saying 'more people will die if we don't pass my health care bill' makes Obama far-left?

Oh wait, we're supposed to forget about the greatest health-care speech ever.

78

uhm Dems, are so happy to see us support her, (cuz she's a lozer) they say.

which is why anytime her  name is mentioned they come out Trolling heavily in every blog that mentions her.

Yes she's weak and if we support her for any reason we're plain silly, funny aren't they?

79 Another example of moderation. Senator Brownback, alias Senator Swiitchback, voted against McCain-Kennedy. But that doesn't mean 'immigration reformers' will damn him as an extremist. They know that if it's close, if it ever matters, his real position is the opposite to the public one that he ultimately took. That's the kind of moderation the left can respect from conservatives.

Sarah's position is mushy on this issue. She is not a strong, clear-cut, supporter of controlling America's borders. She wants some kind of amnesty. But, whatever her position is, nobody doubts she will act on it and never switch back.

That's why, even if her position is formally further to the left than the way Senator Brownback voted, the left will in time react to her and not him as an anti-hispanic racist, as in extremist.

80

Related:  For the first time since forever, I watched Meet the Press this week.

With perfectly straight faces, E.J. Dionne, Rachel Maddow and David Brooks discussed military strategy and economics.

I will now jab a broken bottle through my left eye.

P.S.:  Yes, Maddow brought up Palin's ghostwriter being the son of Lester Maddox or something.  My wife could not understand why I was screaming "JEREMIAH EFFING WRIGHT!!!!" 

81

"Death panels" would be fine, if it wasn't a lie. Of course, it is a lie, catchy and easy to remember, but a lie nonetheless.

No, it wasn't a lie. It's a reference to many things, from boards like Britain's "NICE" that determine when people are no longer eligible for treatment, to flat-out rationing.

Fer crissake, in June Obama was giving a townhall when a woman asked him if her 90-year-old mother would have been eligible for a heart transplant under his "reform" plan. According to the woman, the first doctor her mother consulted said "sorry, no, you're too old". Another doctor "recognized her love of life" and decided to take the chance.

Obama's answer? We can't base these decisions on something as unmeasurable as "love of life" and that they should be made by uninvolved boards based on what's "most cost effective". THOSE ARE THE DEATH PANELS.

The left is absolutely right there wouldn't be (formal) panels deciding who lives and who dies on an individual basis. Of course not. There'd be panels making "universal" policies that achieve the same results.

82 I always thought Iowahawk (PBUH) got it pretty much exactly right with his posts from "T Coddington van Voorhees". The "Establishment Conservatives" are mainly the old-line, Ivy League, East Coast Republicans. Charles Krauthammer is probably the least offensive of this breed; George Will another. (Will's baseball writing is almost always more trenchant than his political commentary, and thus has it ever been.) This fasciation with the "brain trust" of conservatism arises from this blue-blooded, class-conscious milieu. They find the flannel-shirted redneck conservatives...embarassing. Useful, to be sure; but embarassing. No one you'd want to invite for brandy and watercress sandwiches at the club.

I call this the "Elmer Gantry" phenomenon, and both political parties suffer from it. There is always the fear that rabble-rousing populists will divert the sheeplike masses from the "true message". Often, this fear is entirely justified -- as the examples of Huey Long and Tammany Hall make manifest. The intellectuals of both parties are obsessed with "message", with ideology, with the proper rituals and forms of their respective churches. Sarah Palin is the lady who wears high-heels and a red dress as her go-to-meeting clothes; they worry that the parishoners will be too busy ogling her to hear the sermon.

What's missed in all this, of course, is that American politics is more than party affiliation. Much of what drives politics is local issues: school boards, tax levies, city ordinances, and the like. What is -- and is not -- "conservative" or "liberal" depends to a high degree on where you happen to live. A "conservative" in New York City is not the same as a "conservative" in Valdosta, Georgia. A "liberal" in Licoln, Nebraska is not the same as a "liberal" in Berkeley, California.

Middle America recognizes Sarah Palin as one of them. (Or, at least, the image that Palin projects.) It's not a cerebral message; it's a symbolic one. Hearth, home, family, community. A hunter, an outdoorswoman, successful in business and politics. Contrast with someone like Mitt Romney, who is all message and no image at all: most Americans probably couldn't pick him out of a line-up.

It bothers the intellectuals that image can trump message this way, but this is human nature. The intellectuals will fret and secretly yearn for the day when these irritating peasants will recognize -- and listen to -- their betters.

83

65 What if...we got Palin, Rush, Beck, Nugent, Bolton, and Hanson to start a 3rd party together? What % of the presidential vote would it get? Discuss.

I would guess it would pull in about 15%, almost all of it drawn away from the Republicans. Thus, the D's would have a cakewalk to victory.

WRONG! The correct answer is 14.1%. However, would it be worth starting something w/ conservative ideals that would grow with each election, or are we better off wishing the Kip Von Topsider IIIs out of the Republican party? 

84 66 She tears the GOP apart. Which is good.

The GOP needs to be torn apart.  They are the Cleveland Browns of political parties.  Destroy it and start over.

85 The GOP needs to be torn apart.

Yep, and the Democrats exiled.

86 Ever ask any kind of liberal as to what their defination of "FAR RIGHT" is? Most will look at you and size you up as to if  you are going punch them out or not. If not, the answer is some kind of vague answer as "You know, One of those kind who hates everyone and especially change, who wants to improve their rich life style on the backs of the poor."   And it goes on and on  and on time without end, until you really ARE ready to punch them out. 

87 I would never refer to her as "far right." I would refer to her as a "woman who deserves admiration for her persistent production of eggs fertilized by her virile husband, Todd."

We need a woman like that intghe White House.

88 More than anything or anyone else, the left hates with a white-hot passion anyone who calls them what they really are.

Start with McCarthy and Nixon, and go right on up through Limbaugh, Coulter, and Beck.  And, of course, Palin.

She called Obama what he is--a community organizer--and she laughed about it.  It can't be allowed to stand.

"She called us by our true name!  We hates her, HAAAAATES her!"

/Gollum

89

And Republicans, like the good little parrots they are, have continually spouted it, just like they were supposed to.

Oh, ha ha ha.  Ingraham had a running lop today of every administration official who said "bits and fits" over the weekend. But Republicans are the one's who parrot. Ha Ha Ha . Thanks JEA. I really needed the laugh this afternoon.

90 as with any lefty her only value is her womb to be used for the left by the left for the left.

91 WRONG! The correct answer is 14.1%. However, would it be worth starting something w/ conservative ideals that would grow with each election, or are we better off wishing the Kip Von Topsider IIIs out of the Republican party?

I think we're best off ignoring the Kip Von Topsiders and voting for conservatives.

92
Wee Wee had to go after Sarah again today, with his "crazy claims about death panels" remark. 

93 Sarah Palin may be more dangerous to crooked GOP congressmen.

She will expose crooks in the government.  That's why they all hate her.

94 Liberals -- including liberals like David Brooks

I think you meant to say "closet" liberal. When he isn't busy fantasizing about other men's pants, David plays desperately the "conservative" at the Grey Lady, hiding his secret desires from all the world, oppressed by the stifling conformity of Manhattan. Oh, how he yearns for the day he can come out of the closet, free and fabulous, prancing a lilt of eternal liberalism, bursting forth from his true inner self... Yet, he cannot risk the opprobrium of his peers, he weeps in the small hours for his plight. Why, oh why can David not come out? He knows the Grey Lady will spurn him, reject him, he may lose his job, he will wither under the disdainful gazes of disapproving True Liberals, if he admits he is not a conservative. Once shattered, that illusion of respectability, that sinecure of "token conservative" serving the Grey Lady's teats, that single excuse for his employment, will evaporate like the scent of rare sandalwood from a pocket square in the heat of an Indian summer.

95

Posted by: Monty at October 05, 2009 01:54 PM (4Pleu)

Great analysis. I've thought for a long time that the "class trumps ideology" prinicple goes a long way in explaining the Brookses, Noonans, Parkers, Buckleys et al. and their gushy swoons over The One.  Iowahawk's parody was so hilarious because it crystallized a deep truth.

96 JEA, Honuts Clowned use the same idioms in posting

97 The GOP has a serious disconnect with the vast majority of the folks who identify as republican.  It is not my job to explain things to them.  If they expect me to send my hard earned money to fund their projects, they'd best be dislodging their heads from their asses.  People are pissed.  The tea party protests were full of people like me and my family - regular, hard working Americans who have had enough.  They'd best be getting themsleves out of DC and back into the real world and listen to what people are saying.  I held my nose and voted for McCain BECAUSE of Palin.  I definately don't want ot hear one single word from him or his "campaign" managers (the biggest collection of wankers in the US).  They are part of the problem.

98 Total sum of the planet that cares what David Brooks has to say: 1, David Brooks. Mrs. Brooks doesn't even care.

99 So Sarah Palin's ghostwriter accused of being a white supremacist is important, but Bill Ayers ghostwriting Obama's racist 'Dreams of My Father' is not.  Riiiight.  Gotcha.  What a bumch of self-impo'tent turds.

100

Re: 57

Ooh! Coulter and Malkin should be on that list too. I mean, they're already 'on my list' (IYKWIMAIKYD), but I mean they should be on the other list I just came up with too.

And zombie Reagan and Buckley would be on the list. Not that list you sick-os, but the...oh, eff it. I'm going back to work.

101 You can't reason with Liberals when it comes to Palin.  It's a strange, visceral hatred- probably based on fear.   A Pastor I know said, "I don't want an ordinary person to be President" (as opposed the Havahd educated numskull we have in the WH now...)

I like Palin, but she has made a few mis-steps, such as resigning the Governorship.  That made her look a little sensitive and unable to commit to the long run, damn the torpedoes. Hopefully, this won't be fatal.  She can draw a lot of folks to the ballot box on our side, but the hatred is so strong for her on the left that there may be an equal and opposite draw from the left.  In any case, I hope she remains in the spotlight for years to come, exploding innumerable Liberal heads along the way.

102

Palin does NOT support amnesty for illegals. She has only responded on this issue once to my knowledge and she gave a rather wish-washy answer that amounted to yes and no on amnesty.

 

One can not tell what her actual position is because she only provided an answer during the campaign when she was under the auspices of McLame who believed heavily in amnesty.

 

As governor she did oppose drivers licenses in Alaska for illegals. That is more than McLame or Huckabee did.

 

103 Well said, Ace.

104 Wee Wee had to go after Sarah again today, with his "crazy claims about death panels" remark.

I think it's worth asking a couple of questions about that: 1) Are there in fact any provisions in the bill (which he's read from cover to cover, I assume) for any panel of people who could possibly make a decision that overrules the wishes of a patient, doctor, or family on a life-or-death issue. Such a panel is, by any measure that matters, a "death panel."

2) If there were "death panels" in the bill, does anyone actually believe that BHO would own up to it?

105

And zombie Reagan and Buckley would be on the list. Not that list you sick-os, but the...oh, eff it. I'm going back to work.

Mr. Johnson, tear up that list.

106
I'd love to know if Brooks is on Jornolist.  He does seem to be in-line with what the leftie trash is saying.  Maybe membership is free for NYT hacks.

107

@ 67: "They refuse to listen or to even comprehend what their opponents say."

No, no, no.  They listen and they understand perfectly.  They're not interested in an honest debate, they're only interested in winning.  Their method is character assasination, ad hominem attacks, emotional pleas separate from facts (this happens to be my theory on why liberal talk radio can't succeed - no substance to back up the emotive ranting for hours of program time).  They want to bury their opponents.

Perfect example is Maddow shifting the conversation to Sarah's evil ghost writer.

108 Allah chingada.   

109 Spot on, Ace!

110 Ace sez: "And yet Brooks and Barack Obama's other down-low boyfriends"
ROTFLMAO. Yo, yo, dey be keepin it reel, gnome sane.

Imagine Sarah Palin, it's easy if you try... Low taxes, domestic drilling and noo-coolar plants, economy goes through the roof...
A guy can dream. Instead, GOP will field Chuck Hagel/Olympia Snowe ticket and their concession speech to Barry H. will be moderately lauded by Matthews and Couric and maybe even O'Reilly.

111 I am a bit perplexed at how either confused meaning applies to Sarah Palin. She is not "far right" ideologically -- she is solidly in the mainstream of conservativism.

Oh come on, ace, you should know by now that the Left considers 'mainstream conservatism' itself to be "far right". Seriously, conservatism itself is "far right" to most Leftists/liberals I know and most pundits and media members.

Also, just go back to the Dubya years. They considered him to be a "far right" conservative wacko. Which, he wasn't. Over the past 8 years, mainstream conservatism has been redefined as "far right" and Far Leftism has been redefined as "moderate". This isn't perplexing at all. The Left has redefined political terms to their advantage.

112

Mrs. Brooks doesn't even care.

Because she isn't getting any.

113 Mrs. Brooks doesn't even care.

As in, David's mother.

114 Her too

115

Is there a Mrs. Brooks? I don't know.

Even if there is, I imagine a gay lover is on the side somewhere.

116

"Death Panels" aren't a lie, they are a reality in your homeboy's little craptastic healthcare bill of BS."

Really? Of course, being so knowledgeable, you can cite chapter and verse where that is in the health care bill?

117 There was a TV show, "Our Miss Brooks," starring Eve Arden. She was way, way more butch than David.

118 " And yet Brooks and Barack Obama's other down-low boyfriends are still stinging from the time this nasty bitch got up in front of the cafetorium and said their boyfriend ain't all that."

Can we agree that Ace is on a role insult wise? That quote above is good....real good.

119 roll

120 I think you're glossing over some of the more substantive criticism of Palin, for instance what about the charge that she wore white to some of her campaign rallies.

And you also don't mention that she faked faking her pregnancy so that 5 months later people would think her daughter was faking her pregnancy to cover up the fact that Bristol wasn't pregnant 5 months earlier and Palin really was.  You can't trust someone that devious, we all expect politicians to lie, but when they are not lying and you think they are and then it turns out they were telling the truth all along it breaks the bond with the people. 

121

The FCCER in the stimulus bill, that's the counerpart to NICE, the Independent Medical Advisory Commission, the 600 billion dollar Medicare cut, all these things collectively add up to the 'death panels', kind of like the puzzlebox in Hellraiser, when all the tumblers lock.

For the last time, she'd be three quarters of a million dollars in debt by now, if she had stayed in office, and tried to move against cap n trade, or the health care bill. No third parties are not the answer, they are not even the right question.

122

#105

OK, anybody - Someone explain it to me. I know that National Review = Van Voorhees Van Coddington (or whatever), but this is where I'm coming from when I say I like Buckley (the man himself):

1) He bucked (no pun) the establishment @ Yale and stuck a finger in the eye of the 'academic elite' before it was cool to do so. And he's a Cath-O-Lic.

2) Debated anyone on TV who was up to it w/ no teleprompters, and did so for over 30 years.

3) Helped kick the real sick-o right wingers (aka racists aka John Birchers) out of the Republican party.

4) Started his own magazine to be a voice of what he believed to be true conservative values.

5) Used to go out on his boat to international waters to go burn one when he needed to cool out.

And like Regan, had at least one idiot embarrasment of a son. Where am I off here?

123 Those same MSNBC intelligentsia were calling Obama a "Magic Negro" and pooh poohing his chances to be President a mere 20 months ago.

124 the elites and the wannabes on both sides are utterly clueless as usual

Sarah is IMO not far right, I am a recovering lefty now mod Dem who voted MAC Palin. I voted for Sarah because she is real and I think she 'gets it' there was nothing about her that scared me away as being 'far right'.

she represents mainstream American values, there is no far right about it.l

125

Really? Of course, being so knowledgeable, you can cite chapter and verse where that is in the health care bill?

Jeeze, you leftards have to have everything spelled out or you just don't get it. Willful ignorance? The death panels are an inevitable result of cost containment. So some damn panel of government bureaucrats will have to decide who is too expensive to treat. GET IT?

126 Mare , ace is da bomb.

127

Really? Of course, being so knowledgeable, you can cite chapter and verse where that is in the health care bill? 

And you ignore the example of Obama himself calling for them.

Intellectually dishonest much?

128

I don't get the "Camille Paglia" sockpuppet, because as someone else mentioned, the real Camille Paglia has written fairly glowing essays about Palin. Better sockpuppet to be spouting that stuff would be Dowd, or Parker, or Steinhem, or Joy Behar, etc.

I believe people classify her as "far right" because of her Christian faith and the fact that she didn't abort Trig. Apparently being Christian is now considered "fringe" or something. And that just pisses me off.

129 A lot of normal Democrats who I know, are wavering on Obama. They are starting to see him as not a "normal" person. Why his personal popularity stays as high as it does, is something pollsters do not know yet. Maybe taking a poll @ 12:00 midnight on Times Square har something to do with it.

130

Uh... wouldn't the chapter and verse for the death panels be part of the stuff that they cut out the day after some mom in Alaska made a comment on Facebook?

 

(How come my facebook comments don't get national recognition? ;-) )

131

OK, anybody - Someone explain it to me. I know that National Review = Van Voorhees Van Coddington (or whatever), but this is where I'm coming from when I say I like Buckley (the man himself):

Buckley was fine. He's the origin of the statement of preferring the governance of N random people picked from the phone book to the faculty of Harvard.

It's his heirs -- by blood and by institution -- who have massively screwed up and have aligned more with their social class -- high-income northeasterners -- than with their political allies.

132 I know that National Review = Van Voorhees Van Coddington (or whatever), but this is where I'm coming from when I say I like Buckley (the man himself):

No, I believe it should be Van Voorhees Van Coddington = Christopher Buckley, not NR as a whole.

133 Chapter and verse: pp425-430 in the original bill.

134 Dagny, you rock. 

135

Oh joy.  We get rid of one troll and another pops up. 

136  I am a recovering lefty now mod Dem who voted MAC Palin. I voted for Sarah because she is real and I think she 'gets it' there was nothing about her that scared me away as being 'far right'.

she represents mainstream American values, there is no far right about it.l

Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at October 05, 2009 02:20

 another thing that shut dems down for myself and family ( forever )was the total Hate for women that was presented, threats , "do this or else" ,sit down shut up, nasty name calling, the voter fraud, attacks on an innocent baby, etc..

137 Wow, Ace.  You're awful hard on the Republican "elites".  That's not going to help your social calendar.

138 I'm not sure Camille Paglia is a sock puppet.  It's almost cruel and small-minded enough to be one of the real trolls.  Usually sock-puppets are nicer. ;-)

139 Ace, you hit it right on the head.  The real "problem" the left has with Sarah Palin, putting all their smears and weird mythical beliefs about her aside, boils down to the fact that she committed the three moral sins of liberalism.  She burst the left's bubble by belittling Obama when everyone on the left was riding high on their belief that he was the second coming of Christ, she wouldn't have an abortion and she threatened Obama's ascension to the Presidency by electrifying the right and bumping McCain ahead in the polls.  From that point on the left's hatred of Sarah was absolute, limitless and irrational.

140

Oh joy.  We get rid of one troll and another pops up. 

I know, it's like one of those "whack a mole" games or something!

Of course I believe there are people out there with alerts set for anything "Palin" so they can immediately jump in and defile the comments with their hatred for her.

141

I believe people classify her as "far right" because of her Christian faith and the fact that she didn't abort Trig. Apparently being Christian is now considered "fringe" or something. And that just pisses me off.

Probably a growing movement to get the world to a place where "Christian" equals "extremist". The dream of the Left realized.

142 Well, nicer or just more ridiculous.

143

@ JEA

So, we conservatives stupidly mouth an untruth re: death panels? Really. So, how is it that the plans that have been out there include panels designed to cut of or deny care based on your ability to contribute to society? And how is it that the plans also advocate sending in people to help el;derly and inferm decide whther life is just too difficult to live. Never mind the stench surrounding anyone suggesting to a depressed person there are other alternatives to life. Deth Panel is catchy. Does stick. But it sticks because there is far more truth behind it than not. It stings the left for one of two reasons....1) the truth was exposed and/or 2) those few on the left who could not stomach such a thing themselves are too deluded to beliece it is true. Lastly, and most tellingly.....if it is an untruth....WHY DID BARACK AGREE TO ABANDON THEM!?!?!?!?!?!?

144 In Allah's Quotes the Day, he featured two: One an attack on the self-styled elites who do nothing to advance anything at all except their own outsized sense of self-importance,

So, Self-flagellation in Allah's blog?

145

#131

OK - That's what I figured. I'm middle-class, mid-west. No trust funds, no boats. I was the only guy in my fraternity who didn't have a car (I could only hit on chicks who had cars). When I see people/institutions/ ideals get slammed/berated/ picked-on by the majority, I tend to be drawn to them and want to support them (see: Palin/Israel/ The Detroit Lions). OK, eff the Lions, but you know what I'm getting at, right? Make any sense?

 I should seriously get back to work.

146 In what respect, Charlie?

147 I don't get the "Camille Paglia" sockpuppet, because...

Don't worry about it. I think this clown is probably erg, who does occasionally show up here as a celebrity sockpuppet. You can't expect him to have any actual knowledge of his aliases; he's neither very bright, nor informed.

148 no way is that Cammilee Paglia. she's not a Palin hater, and disliked the rhetoric from her party about Palin. she might be ideologically different but not a freak like most the trolls are.

149

Wow, Ace.  You're awful hard on the Republican "elites".  That's not going to help your social calendar.
Posted by: Moron Ducking for Cover at October 05, 2009 02:27 PM

No Hobo Galas in his future?

150 I think you're glossing over some of the more substantive criticism of Palin, for instance what about the charge that she wore white to some of her campaign rallies.

Her very existence as a white woman was a dog whistle to the KKK.  Everyone who misread a single work of fiction written 40 years ago knows this...

151

I think you're glossing over some of the more substantive criticism of Palin, for instance what about the charge that she wore white to some of her campaign rallies

after labor day? oh, she must go away!

152 Anyone not a Marxist is "far right" to these tools. Meh..

153 Keep that clip Ace for the day when it is revealed that Bill Ayers ghost wrote BO's books. I can't wait to see Maddow explain BO's ties and  her comfort level with domestic terrorists.

154 Her very existence as a white woman was a dog whistle to the KKK.  Everyone who misread a single work of fiction written 40 years ago knows this...
Posted by: Kathleen Parker at October 05, 2009 02:32 PM (NtiET

Watership Down was about rabbits.

155

As governor she did oppose drivers licenses in Alaska for illegals. That is more than McLame or Huckabee did.

 

 

LOL, Palin is “far right”; Obama is a moderate who appoints avowed communists as advisors. Axlelrod uses everything as a propaganda ministry, including the schools and that is considered “normal” because “everybody did it before”.  The irony is overwhelming.  Hell he’s even got doctors in the act now with 150 of them on the WH lawn to support healthscamII.  Over at Fox they have a headline to match their coverage today:

 

“Docs as Props”

 

Obama Holds Doctors' Summit in Effort to Promote Health Care Overhaul President Obama is meeting with physicians from across the country Monday -- at least one from every state -- to discuss the urgency of passing sweeping health care reform legislation. 

 

LOL, the idea was to infer that real doctors support nationlization of healthcare. As it turns out, some of these “doctors” were in on his campagn.  Basically they are all Democraps that happen to be doctors (or so they say).

156 The more the MSM misunderestimates Sarah Palin, the better.  Keep treatin' her like trash and watch what happens.  It won't be shivers up the leg.

157 A GOING ROGUE SWEATSHIRT WOULD BE SWEET; thinking of getting one made;  I wonder if Tea Parties will evolve into Going Rogue parties..lots of potential there...the signs will definitely be out there at the future rallies.

158

This is what JEA wants to ignore and as stated by Sarah Palin.

I have been vocal in my opposition to Section 1233 of H.R.3200, entitled “Advance Care Planning Consultation.”[1] Proponents of the bill have described this section as an entirely voluntary provision that simply increases the information offered to Medicare recipients. That is misleading. The issue is the context in which that information is provided and the coercive effect these consultations will have in that context.

Section 1233 authorizes advanced care planning consultations for senior citizens on Medicare every five years, and more often “if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual … or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility… or a hospice program.”[2] During those consultations, practitioners are to explain “the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice,” and the government benefits available to pay for such services.[3]

To understand this provision fully, it must be read in context. These consultations are authorized whenever a Medicare recipient’s health changes significantly or when they enter a nursing home, and they are part of a bill whose stated purpose is “to reduce the growth in health care spending.”[4] Is it any wonder that senior citizens might view such consultations as attempts to convince them to help reduce health care costs by accepting minimal end-of-life care? As one commentator has noted, Section 1233 “addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones…. If it’s all about obviating suffering, emotional or physical, what’s it doing in a measure to ‘bend the curve’ on health-care costs?”[5]

159

Really? Of course, being so knowledgeable, you can cite chapter and verse where that is in the health care bill?

Posted by: JEA at October 05, 2009 02:16 PM (bWB5j)

 

Death panels hit Barry right between the eyes and sent him, the media and the rest of the left into a complete foaming at the mouth frenzy.

160

Death panels hit Barry right between the eyes and sent him, the media and the rest of the left into a complete foaming at the mouth frenzy.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 05, 2009 02:36 PM (1Jaio)

And no one noticed the fucking difference.

161

What exactly is far-right?

I mean, with liberalism, you can extrapolate out really easily...just keep growing the government's role, reach, and influence on your life to the n'th degree.

What is far-right?  Small government that only adheres to the strictist, most literal interpretation of the Constutution possible?  Really, who couldn't get behind that?

162 no way is that Cammilee Paglia. she's not a Palin hater, and disliked the rhetoric from her party about Palin. she might be ideologically different but not a freak like most the trolls are.

Not to mention the fact that the real Paglia wouldn't be able to communicate anything in less than 1,000 words at a go.

163 If Romney, or (anyone else) gets the R nomination, and doesn't ask her to be VP, they are a fool.  And Palin would be a fool not to accept; she needs a resume boost to be plausible to independents and even Reagan Democrats.  The VP slot would be that boost--forget the pride thing of being VP again.  Running for P from VP would be perfect from her.

164 I loathe the term "far right" whether it's applied to Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh. Classic Conservatism isn't an extremist position!

165 Of course, nowhere in the bill does it specifically say "Illegals will be treated just like Citizens" But since no proof of citizenship is required to get treatment, it's the same damn thing.

166   Small government that only adheres to the strictist, most literal interpretation of the Constutution possible?  Really, who couldn't get behind that?

Posted by: reason at October 05, 2009 02:38 PM (5npD/)

Us.

167 Sarah Palin didn't even create the "death panels".  Betsy McCaughey gets the credit for that.

Don't make me come after you Delta's again.

168 "what makes her "far right"


I have hung around enough froo-froo elite Republicans in NY and Connecticut to conclude that the reason why they think Palin is 'far right' is because she did not abort her children.

The female elities, in  particular, want to ensure that their pimply-faced pasty-waxed sons and daughters will not be punished with a baby before their sons and daughters  attain their Harvard-Yale alumni status.

By the way, note that these froo-froo Republicans elites are for illegal slave trade for the same reason, they don't want their pimply-faced, pasty-waxed sons and daughters getting their fingernails dirty from cleaning the house or doing yardwork.

Froo-froo Republicans are the same as Moderates-they want low taxes with socially liberal policy.

Which of course is silly since it is impossible to be fiscally conservative while socially liberal; liberalism in any form requires government tax dollars no matter how fiscally cpnservative one may appear to be.

169 Still, if it's the real Paglia I can't wait until a moron asks for a pic of her tits.

170 David Brooks: probably a superior Scrabble player.

Sarah Palin: definitely a superior leader.

171 If you disagree with taxpayer funded abortion, advocate for smaller government, have cast a ballot for a Republican and enjoy wakeboarding then you're one of us.

172 Sarah Palin took to heart the lessons of two of the finest political/children's stories ever told:

The Emperor's New Clothes, in which the young hero tells the naked truth that none of the "adults" dare to speak; and

Yertle the Turtle, in which a plain turtle named Mack knocks an oppressive tyrant off his throne with a burp.

Both stories lionize the average person whose ignorance (or ignoring) of social conventions permits him to do or say what needs to be said or done.  Kinda like Sarah.  She may or may not be "Presidential," but she is certainly an American hero.

173 Rachel Maddow is a panelist on "Press the Meet"? Really???!!??? Have they booked Olberman yet? That spinning sound you hear is me.

174 Posted by: ParisParamus at October 05, 2009 02:39 PM (NPtVh)

I highly doubt she'd accept the VP spot again after the way she was shit on by the McCain campaign, especially if Romney got the nomination.  A lot of the McCain staffers who shit on her (Murphy and McKinnon to name two) were Romney people.

175 145
 I was the only guy in my fraternity who didn't have a car (I could only hit on chicks who had cars).

I hear ya, I hear ya. "Um, so the last bus that goes kinda near the cinema leaves at 4, we can hang out in the Bed, Bath, and Beyond next door to it for a while before the movie starts..."

Sigh...

176 Good work, morons, on the troll posting here.  It asked for chapter and verse, and it was provided.  Too bad it's mind is shut up tight, like the typical lefty.

I always LOL when they bring up the "parroting" thing, picturing in my mind their standing at the ready at their computers, sitting forward in their chairs in anticipation of the latest e-mailed spew points. 

177 "Which of course is silly since it is impossible to be fiscally conservative while socially liberal; liberalism in any form requires government tax dollars no matter how fiscally cpnservative one may appear to be."

Time to put on my Libertarian hat.
Disagree, socially liberal is often behavioral, which often does not cost anything to the State. For instance, living in sin. How does moving in with your girlfriend result in a tax consequence?

178

Look, I'm not in love with Romney but I do think he may be the only one that can win.

Wait

Women, and I would gladly give up my right to vote if all the other women would too, vote for the best looking candidate. Sorry, but that's just the way it is. We have to have a male candidate that is handsomer (barf) than big ears. I'm willing to go Romney if it gets the radical socialists out of the WH. This isn't all women, but because they are fantastically uninformed as a whole, I think it's true.

Most women know way more about Hollywood gossip than they do politics or policy or economics or corruption or anything that matters.

Begin bashing

179

Syn:

Good point. Growing up around a lot of what was popularly referred to as "country club Republicans" their primary concern was the tax code. As long as it was low, anything else (e.g., abortion, immigration, ect.) was o.k.  They were anti-communist, mainly because communism was anti-capitalist. These people were generally church goers, but only to help on the building funds, and mainly, I suspect, to make sure that the building funds were diverted to the "right" contractors.

I still bump into a few of these folks today and none of them are huge Palin fans. Their primary concern is that she "draws" the wrong crowd, the pro-gun crowd, anti-abortion crowd. They have always felt that this was a needed 3rd wing of the conservative movement, but that they should be satisfied with a candidate who talk their points but does nothing about them.  The social conservatives should be happy to get the annual speech about abortion on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade and, well, yea, that is about it.

The social conservatives has always been the neglected part of the Republican party. When they start making noise, they get lectured about the "big tent". Social conservatives are not going to have a greater voice in the party until they let it be known that they are no longer going to be taken for granted. Plus, they need to start pointing out that on social issues, the movement is toward their side. Same on illegal immigration.

 

180 watching that msnbc video was chilling. Those were...republicans? It was a dance of the buffoons.

181

Have they booked Olberman yet?

No, they won't. Guy is a complete asswipe. Keith Olbermann can get along with one person in the world......namely, Keith Olbermann.

182 The political left in this country has always been more enamored of the intelligentsia than the right. This, I think, is rooted in the Utopian ideals of the left; their belief that if only the lumpenproles will listen to (and obey!) their intellectual masters, then the "progressive" vision can be achieved. I think this is why people like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh so infuriate the Left -- to oppose the leftist social agenda is to do more than differ politically; it is to deliberately inhibit the salvation of the people! It is an an iniquitious thing, an evil thing. One cannot oppose the leftist agenda without actively meaning ill, in other words; no honest disagreement is possible.

Conservatives and classical liberals, on the other hand, tend to instinctively ascribe to the physician's mandate of "first, do no harm". We distrust grand social planning because it has never proven to work, and the grander the plan, the more colossal the disaster. I think that most conservatives distrust not the motives of the liberals, but their ability to carry these motives into actual policy. I may agree with my liberal friends that it's a shame that poor people do not have enough to eat; but this does not mean that I feel it is my fault that they are poor and hungry -- nor, indeed, that it is incumbent upon me to abolish poverty beyond the charity I choose to give. (Note: that I choose to give, not that I am compelled to give.)

A conservative understands as a liberal does not that there is an objective reality that must be dealt with, and that this reality can only be accomodated, not "fixed" in any fundamental sense. I can help my poor friends; I cannot "solve" poverty. I can help to feed the hungry, but more hungry people will come behind t hem -- I cannot "solve" hunger. But then: I believe in God, and that God, not man, is the ultimate aribiter of all things.

183

Figureheads are not leaders. Figureheads represent their party, leaders represent their followers.

Partys select figureheads to rubberstamp the party agenda of that which is good for the party big shots. Obama, the Bushes, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, Ike, McCain, Kerry, Gore, Dole, Dukakis, Humphry were figureheads to rubberstamp the party agenda. 

Once in a while a leader comes along and takes control of a party to further THEIR agenda, which may or may not coinside with all or part of the party agenda. Clinton, Reagan, JFK, Mondale, Goldwater were leaders of followers who took control of their party from the party big shots, and pushed THEIR agenda rather than the party agenda.

Party big shots hate leaders and love figureheads for reasons of furthering the party agenda of that which is good for the party big shots. This is why the Democrat party big shots selected Obama over Hillary. Obama is a more compliant figurehead and would further the party agenda. Hillary would work to further the Clintons' agenda rather than the party agenda.

The Republican big shots can see that Palin is a leader who would push her agenda of reform, not a potential figurehead to rubberstamp the party agenda of that which is good for the party big shots.

 

184 1. sweeping change, even violent, is ok
2. fuck entrepreneurs, welfare for wall street
3. invade countries, get oil, the imaginary threats to Israel must be destroyed!
4. you don't have any privacy now that we abrogated your quaint 4th Amendment

They will not defeat us, because they do not know us.

185 As to the "welfare for Wall Street" charge, if you actually go to Wall Street and hang with any of those types, I am pretty sure you will discover that they are overwhelmingly Democrat. The actual investors, on the other hand will be Republican. But the heads of the firms, the brokers, the guys on the floor, the guys with nice homes in the Hamptons, largely Dem.

186

No Hobo Galas in his future?

Oh, dear, you must understand. I am not sure Mr. Ace would fit in at our Hobo Galas.

First, we really don't hunt the hobos our-selfs. That is left to the domestic wait staff. We merely provide them money to acquire the means to hunt down and trap the hobos.  I think they use some form of vile liquor called "Val-U-Rite" and cheap, menthol cigarettes.

Second, when we cook the hobos, they are simmered in a sauce of truffles and foie gras. With a nice Napa Valley, something bottled in 1997 is best.

Third, it is strictly a black tie affair. Well, except for E. Earl Huffingslate, Blog Critic, New York Times, who we permit to dress as an actual hobo himself, complete with a torn Versacce shirt and a pair of denim pants made by Levi Strauss...I think, I am sorry, I am not sure who makes his pants.

Fourth, and finally, John Williams and an orchestra of 50 provide the music.

I hope this help you understand our position. Ta Ta, darling, have fun at your little "blog".

187

Farmer Joe,

Heck, yeah!

188

The more I think about it, "Far Right" people are nothing more tham normal people who are intent with having and doing the right moral things in their lives. They want Govt. to protect them, have fire departments, good schools. Basic stuff. The Communist type of government wants everybody to swear allegiance To Them! Constitution be damned. In the USSR, how many were allowed to be party members? 20% at best? All others were peasants. Only those with special skills, and were dolice politically, Were ALLOWED to have a better life. All actions and thoughts were controlled. Does this sound like some people we know?

189

"Death panels hit Barry right between the eyes and sent him, the media and the rest of the left into a complete foaming at the mouth frenzy."

Since theQuietMan & rightzilla obviously has not a single clue to what they support, anyone else care to answer my question? Incidentally, they're the one swho seem to be "frothing at the mouth."

190 Funny thing is, you don't know what you believe.

Nope. You're right. I don't. Please carry on in your accustomed manner.

191 As for the "fuck entrepreneurs" charge, I challenge anyone to try to start a business in any Blue state, actually do the paperwork, pay the payroll taxes, observe the regulations (even the easy ones) then tell me how Democrats are helping to make this process easier. Really, try it, with something simple, like a hot dog cart or something. Then get back to me.

192 98  Total sum of the planet that cares what David Brooks has to say: 1, David Brooks. Mrs. Brooks doesn't even care.

Posted by: Mallamutt at October 05, 2009 02:05 PM (V9SYy)

He has a beard? The hell you say.

193

Pundits are like movie critics. They wish they could be up on the big screen, but they aren't good enough, so they run their mouths trying to look like stars.

194

Really? Of course, being so knowledgeable, you can cite chapter and verse where that is in the health care bill?

Where'd ya go? Looking up the ThinkProgress rebuttals, I'm sure.

195

Posted by: JEA at October 05, 2009 03:15 PM (bWB5j)

I don't answer or debate half wits like you. I only mock you which is all you deserve. By the way your site sucks ass. Did you have a 4 year old design it for you?

196

Knock...Knock?

Who's there"

Sarah!

Sarah Who?

Sarah reason you didn't listen to me?

"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word "victory," except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed, when the roar of the crowd fades away, when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot...when that happens, what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?

The answer -- the answer is to make government bigger, and take more of your money, and give you more orders from Washington, and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world.

America needs more energy; our opponent is against producing it. Victory in Iraq is finally in sight, and he wants to forfeit. Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay; he wants to meet them without preconditions.

Al Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he's worried that someone won't read them their rights."

Sarah Palin, 2008

 

197 Wanna know what exactly turned me in to an anti-Communist? Visiting family living in the USSR before the fall. Yes. That did it.
We here in the USA have absolutely no clue exactly how intrusive the Communists can be. They will tell you where you shall live, what shall be your occupation, how much you will make, how many loaves of bread per month you will be allotted. The Commie block bosses come around to make sure you don't have an extra transistor radio in your State assigned cubicle apartment. There is a good movie was make on the topic, it is called "The Lives of Others" Get it, watch it.

I simply can't imagine Americans, who are accustomed to every choice life can offer, accepting this way of life.

And yet, here we are.

198

"I don't answer or debate half wits like you. I only mock you which is all you deserve. By the way your site sucks ass. Did you have a 4 year old design it for you?"

You wound me, sir. Seriously. You do.

I would respond but swatting at flies is beneath me.

199 201 You "conservatives" have spent thirty years stuffing the pockets of corporations and finance capitalists, inflating one sham economy after another, stomping on the bill of rights, and generally taking a wrecking ball to The American Dream.
How do I know you don't understand your "beliefs"? Because now you realize what a monstrous fascist shithole you created just when there's a black dude sitting in the Oval Office. And now it's "Oh, dear, what happened"?
You're fucking stupid.
!!Sarah!!2024!!
Posted by: Stephen J. Gould at October 05, 2009 03:24 PM (0NFKC)


Category 3.5 scream fest.

200

In a two-party system, of course third parties are evil.  That's why we need to form a new party and make the GOP *that third party*.  Marginalize it.  Destroy it.  It's as good as dead anyway, it just needs a little help getting over the cliff.

This is where Rush is wrong.  Judging today's circumstances by past history.  This is not 1980 or 1992.

201 To the Marxists, all private enterprise is Evil. Just look at the spit flecking hatred of it exemplified by the above posters. This is why they hate insurance companies and are presently seeking to destroy them. It is useless to try to engage them in rational discourse.

202 I never thought Stephen Jay Gould was all that smart.

And now we have confirmation!

203

I would respond but swatting at flies is beneath me.

Posted by: JEA at October 05, 2009 03:24 PM (bWB5j)

Dude, you came over here to vent about something or another. You could be writing you haikus for USAToday:

Hand makes broad brushstrokes
Abstract myriad colors
Paint flies, love's labor.

Or you could be writing more poetry for Ruminate. Or posting your own thoughts about global warming claptrap. You came here. Go swat yourself.

204 JEA, you were answered @158.  Please work on your reading comprehension before the next testing period.

Stevie Gould/erg, please keep it up.  Your mindless rantings are music to our ears.  Chicago 2016, baby!

205

She is not "far right" ideologically -- she is solidly in the mainstream of conservativism.

To a progressive, the mainstream of conservatism is extremely far right, and extremely scary. So if you go to church and have a family member in the Army, you must be a fundamentalist and an evangelical who doesn't believe in science, et cetera, et cetera.

(As to her being "scary" I've assumed that the Lefties are being honest when they express a belief, an opinion or an emotion. Mind you, I make such assumptions for the purposes of simplicity, not accuracy.)

206

"Sarah reason you didn't listen to me?"

Yes.  That yacht ain't paying for itself, you know!

207 We keep saying it, but it's really true. The quality of the trolls is declining.

208 Erg is back? The AIDS cocktail drugs worked then, at least for now.

209

How far right can you get?  Barry Goldwater would be a Nazi now.

Give me a fucking break.  Sara is left of Barry. 

Fuck these people, they don't get to define the globe.

Kemp

210

Far right brownshirts like Sarah Palin need to calm down their hateful, racist and incendiary rhetoric against our first black president before it incites violence.

211

JEA will never acknowledge a true answer. He will wander about, fingers in ears making a LA LA LA noise and blithering spital down his grubby chin. While they romp about like un-potty trained horde of ferrel cats the rest of the country is trying to clean their cat box. The sly ones are pulling the wool over the eyes of the dumb ones and JEA appears to be a DUMB ONE. Even if he did pull his head out of his ASS the shit is so caked into his eyes that he cannot ever hope to know the truth...HIS party is the party of distruction, taken over by the socialist arm and ANIMAL FARM is no longer a bed time story, it is reality.

212 Brooks was here.

213 When you're leaning so far left you're horizontal, everything to the right of you looks extreme.

214 Thanks for the acceptance speech vid. I'm not going to waste my time watching the other one.

215 All I know is an incontrovertible truth: your America is finished. And no Sarah Palin can restore it for you.

And that makes me very happy, Farmer Joe. You are defeated.

Heh heh. Keep trying, man. One of these days you'll get the hang of this trolling thing.

216 JEA -- Jeeshhh...I thought that our usual trolls were stupid; YOU WIN!

217 Stephen J. Gould at October 05, 2009 03:40 PM (uZAum)

Uhhhh..I think you trolled yourself into a corner, Stephen.

218

She's not far right but she certainly has one powerful right hook.

219

I would respond but swatting at flies is beneath me.

Posted by: JEA at October 05, 2009 03:24 PM (bWB5j)

After reading the utter nonsense you write on your site I would say that nothing is beneath you. Poor Joey showing off his 3rd grade level writing skills and no one ever visits his site for fear of boring themselves to death.

220
ergie is wrong and doesn't even know why

221 You all probably know this one already, but I came across this quote from Orwell yesterday. He was writing about England’s pro-Soviet intelligentsia.

Their secret wish, he wrote, was “to destroy the old, egalitarian vision of socialism and usher in a hierarchical society where an intellectual can at last get his hands on the whip.”

222 Still absent from any discussion: the "far left". They're like a hypothetical particle that hasn't been observed but is posited just to balance the well-known "far right".

There's nobody to the left of Obama, and he's a "centrist", as we're repeatedly told.

223 What is wrong with you trolls?  You still haven't proclaimed your support for child prostitution and raping 13-year-old girls.  Get with the program!

224

You're We are fucking stupid, trying to get the Olympics with this crew

!!Sarah!! Chicago 2024!!

FIFY

225 All I know is an incontrovertible truth: your America is finished. And no Sarah Palin can restore it for you.

And that makes me very happy, Farmer Joe. You are defeated.

Posted by: Stephen J. Gould at October 05, 2009 03:40 PM (uZAum)

 

HA HA HA HA HA ! Incontrovertable truth because YOU SAY it is incontrovertable? Someone gimme a dry set of panties. PLEEEEZE?

226 There's nobody to the left of Obama, and he's a "centrist", as we're repeatedly told.

Yeah, but Chavez and Castro joke about being to his right.

227 #209: and as usual it's all projection.  Conservatives are "anti-science", and yet libs are the ones frakking up the scientific method for political gain (global warming), banning "scary" genetically modified crops (causing the starving of millions), and attacking medical, pharma, and energy research.  I swear half these people think there's a magic witch doctor inside their Blackberry.

228 These days, if you only have rainbow sticker on your Prius, you're "far right".

229 ...and speaking of boring designs on webpages...uhhh, hello Joe?  Have you looked at yours lately?...HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH!

230 "one rainbow sticker". duhh

231 How far right is Sarah Palin?  Well, she doesn't believe that 9.8% unemployment is a sign of economic recovery!

232 237 How far right is Sarah Palin?  Well, she doesn't believe that 9.8% unemployment is a sign of economic recovery!

Uhhhhhh -- You're not taking into account all the jobs I've saved.

233 Number 232, you forgot the banning of the use of DDT which has caused the deaths of untold millions since the 1960's and Rachel Carlson's book. Simple malaria was once defeated, now back with a vengeance.

234 It's simple. Anyone who thinks that 12-year-old girls shouldn't have access to unlimited, taxpayer funded, late-term abortions without their parents consent is "far right".

235

How far right is Sarah Palin?  Well, she doesn't believe that 9.8% unemployment is a sign of economic recovery!

Uhhhhhh -- You're not taking into account all the jobs I've saved.

How far right is Sarah Palin? She doesn't believe that crap either.

236

It's simple. Anyone who thinks that 12-year-old girls shouldn't have access to unlimited, taxpayer funded, late-term abortions without their parents consent is "far right".

Well, there is something to be said about that.

237 I love that speech. I actually listen to it when I jog. This was probably mentioned in the comments above but I have little time to digest them all so my apologies.
I agree with all of the points Ace brings up but I would like to add a #3. The biggest applause line in her speech (apart from the "hauling greek columns back to some studio lot") was when she called out the Washington political elite. She told them she "wasn't going to washington to seek their good opinion. She was going to Washington to serve the people of this great country." David Brooks et al hate her for that most of all. She not only called out Obama and all his faults but the faults of the media establishment. One thing I've learned this election cycle is the Washington elite hold on to grudges longer than a high school cheerleader who didn't win the prom queen crown.

238 How far right is Sarah Palin? Well, she doesn't think that a 14 trillion dollar deficiet leads straight to economic boom times!

239

One thing I've learned this election cycle is the Washington elite hold on to grudges longer than a high school cheerleader who didn't win the prom queen crown.

Hey, that was a low blow! And I should have won - I was much prettier!

240 Hi! What have a missed? I just came in from my organic garden and am about to light my bong and thought I would pop in and see what the poop is. I have been distracted by my kids who refuse to stand in the corner for time out after hurling disrespectful explatives at me. Heck I was just down at the co-op and am certainly happy to share my paychek with my president who can use it to pay for the wiithdrawl of troops from, well.....EVERYWHERE! I don't drive a prius OR a subaru. I ride a bike and am so excited to soon be getting my new rickshaw direct from the PEOPLE in red China! I am a happy chap here because finally, after years of HOPE I can give all responsibility for my life to the government and no longer have to even TRY to think. Not that thinking is my strung suit anyway!

241

HERE is how the liberals define “far right”.  Note that they include Fascism and Nazism as far right as always. They called the Unabomber far right. LOL, he was an anarchist.   

242 I got used to the media playing rub-a-dub-dub in the Democrat golden shower long ago.  So, I was surprised when it turned my stomach when they actually started to gargle it for Oblahblah.

243 Dagny @ 178

You may be right. However, the most personally offended I remember being during the primaries was when my brother-in-law couldn't believe I was a Fredhead. His rationale: That Fred looked like a mackerel and he assumed I'd pick good-looking, polished Romney. And he's an "enlightened liberal" (as he calls himself).

Yes, sexism like that rules the day on the left.

244

Sarah's on the "far right"?

If you walk away from me while I stand still, who's the one doing the moving? The far left is the segment of society that will glom onto any subject that makes no sense like man-caused climate change and animal/plant rights.

 

245 Heh. Looks like ace got fed up with ergie and wished him into the cornfield.

246 222 Still absent from any discussion: the "far left". They're like a hypothetical particle that hasn't been observed but is posited just to balance the well-known "far right".

There's nobody to the left of Obama, and he's a "centrist", as we're repeatedly told.

Posted by: Original Roy at October 05, 2009 03:55 PM (ejHeB)

There is no far-left. There are just "progressives" that have different opinions, just as there are no "conservatives", there is just far-right wing-nuts. That is what my intellectual betters tell me, anyway.

247 People actually watch that shit?

248 My wife's 89 year old grandmother was talking to her doctor about her 90 year old husband's dementia. She asked the doctor for his opinion on Obamacare. The doctor said he was convinced that people like her and her husband would die from it because they wouldn't be able to justify spending money on keeping people their age alive.

249

247 People actually watch that shit?

Looking at rating , nope.

250 In fairness, Giuliani said it too.  He made fun of Obama's credentials as a "community organizer" and also his penchant for voting "present" claiming that executives have to actually make decisions.

In fact, Giuliani was spot on.

This is why Giuliani should be Palin's VP, with explicit federalism and an "agreement to disagree" on the social issues where they differ.  That ticket would absolutely annihilate the Dems.

251

"HIS party is the party of distruction [sic]"

 

Try spell check: D-E-S-T-R-U-C-T-I-O-N.

 

Never said I was a Democrat. I think both parties suck. I think the far right and far left should be lined up and all fucking SHOT, so reasonable people can actually run this country properly instead of running it into the ground.

252 Dagny, lets assume that as election season arrives, the economy is still in the toilet, but we aren't in a state of disaster due to, G-d, forbid, a  nuke having gone off in some American city (which would, sadly, militate against changing Presidents; yes, even Obama):

With Romney and Palin, you would have/get a very attractive conservative (or, for the doubters, non-liberal) Yin and Yang; a sum greater than the parts; a contrast that doesn't get muddled.

Romney gets you:
--undisputed competence to de-Obama-ize the economy, including GM (GM will loom large by then when it continues to be a basket case);

--Low charisma, because, look what charismatic Obama got us!. 

--Enough foreign policy literacy to be credible in that sphere (and can pronounce "Dinner Jacket's real name with aplomb!). 

Palin gets you:
the energy and excitement missing from Romney.  You also get someone who can speak out on the drill-drill-drill front; and a kind of revenge-against-Obama dynamic.

Of course, all bets are off if Petraeus runs....  ;-)

253 Dave J., I like Rudy, but his dismall performance in 08 relegates him to Homeland Security or Justice Secretary.

254 What's far right about Sarah Palin? She's right up my alley. Haven't seen anyone yet with the guts the girl's got. She's got my vote.

255 Silly Rabbit, "Far Right" = any restriction on abortion; only freaks are for that!

256 #163--This troll was over at HA today peddling the same line, that Palin should be Mittens Romneydare's VP, like she needs to carry water one more time for another clueless RINO.  Countryclub GOP or lefty?  or does it matter?

257 louis tully, I am not a troll.  I live in the real world.  My guess is that you neither supported McCain or Romney; who did you support; did you even vote in November?

258

"HIS party is the party of distruction [sic]"

Try spell check: D-E-S-T-R-U-C-T-I-O-N.

Never said I was a Democrat. I think both parties suck. I think the far right and far left should be lined up and all fucking SHOT, so reasonable people can actually run this country properly instead of running it into the ground.

JEA lost the argument with rightzilla, so he corrects her spelling.  Pussy!  Answer her question regarding death panels, mental midget:

...if it is an untruth....WHY DID BARACK AGREE TO ABANDON THEM!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

259 I voted for Sarah, and you're right, I wouldn't vote for Romneycare or McVain if I was on Mitt's payroll, as virtually all of his supporters are.  NOw run back to the National Topsider where you came from, fraud.

260 "I think the far right and far left should be lined up and all fucking SHOT, so reasonable people can ..."

And that is the best example of irony I've seen all day.

261 Louis Tully, you are the troll.  I am an attorney of modest means living in NYC (so I know what won't fly).

Yeah, McCain lost by 8% of votes, but he lost the electoral college 162 to to 365, or  by more than 50%, SO GET REAL.  GROW UP AND GET REAL.

 It's people of your ilk who condemn us to Obama for 8 years (or more) with your tunnelvision as to who is electable.   Sorry, Reagan is gone.  The 1980's are gone.  You can love Palin all you like; she isn't winning blue or purple states in 2012 as a Presidential nominee, even if she gets the nomination.  Get real.

262

Time to put on my Libertarian hat.
Disagree, socially liberal is often behavioral, which often does not cost anything to the State. For instance, living in sin. How does moving in with your girlfriend result in a tax consequence?

 

When your knocked -up girlfriend applies for Section 8 housing and WIC checks. Then when her maladjusted brat spends the rest of his life sponging off the taxpayer.

263 I always thought Iowahawk (PBUH) got it pretty much exactly right with his posts from "T Coddington van Voorhees". The "Establishment Conservatives" are mainly the old-line, Ivy League, East Coast Republicans. Charles Krauthammer is probably the least offensive of this breed; George Will another. (Will's baseball writing is almost always more trenchant than his political commentary, and thus has it ever been.) This fasciation with the "brain trust" of conservatism arises from this blue-blooded, class-conscious milieu. They find the flannel-shirted redneck conservatives...embarassing. Useful, to be sure; but embarassing. No one you'd want to invite for brandy and watercress sandwiches at the club.

While we're looking for another Ronald Reagan, they're looking for another William F. Buckley.

264

Fearless Predictions:

Palin will win the nomination easily. Her VP will be one of the following: Fred (!), Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint, Newt. The GOP establishment will make a deal with Soros to push a moderate 3rd candidate into the race to kneecap Palin. It won't work, as Palin wins a 3-way race due to overwhelming turnout from bitter clingers. Post-election analysis will show that the 3rd candidate actually hurt Obama more than Palin.

265 #264:  I hope you are right, but I give it a 2% chance.  Watching the MSM and "liberal women" freak out during such a scenario will be a joy, but the hangover will be more Obama.

266 Death Panels

The media, the political elite and all the nay-sayers hated the term "death panels" because in two simple but descriptive words, Sarah Palin, summed up the end result of the proposed ObamaCare. The unwashed masses understood and rose up to take action. Save Grandma! Save Grandpa!

Reminds me of an old political line  .... Ma, Ma, where's my Pa?
Updated: Ma, Ma, what have they done with Grandma?    
         
Sarah Palin is the single biggest threat to liberalism, the media and the elites since Ronald Wilson Reagan. She gets it. But more importantly, she can communicate it!

267 177 "Which of course is silly since it is impossible to be fiscally conservative while socially liberal; liberalism in any form requires government tax dollars no matter how fiscally cpnservative one may appear to be."

Time to put on my Libertarian hat.
Disagree, socially liberal is often behavioral, which often does not cost anything to the State. For instance, living in sin. How does moving in with your girlfriend result in a tax consequence?

How does my lighting up a joint in the privacy of my own home result in higher taxes?

268 Do you refer to the standard "managed care" of private insurance as "death panels"? In managed care, staff at a private insurance company determines which procedures they will allow individual insured persons to have. Does that make them "death panels"? Or are lies ok if we're talking about politics?

269 What makes Palin "far right" in liberals minds is her stance on abortion, which they assume comes from her being a "devout" Christian.

Liberals cannot and do not understand why anyone would object to abortion in the case of rape or incest.  Unless you're a "right wing Christian who hates women" type of conservative.  You see, the basic problem with liberals is that they are entirely incapable of a coherent thought.  They just can't think through any argument to any logical conclusion on their own.  They have to read it somewhere else, and once it's explained to them they can't see any issue any other way than the way it's been explained already.  And, once they understand it, anyone who disagrees is Evil with a capital E.

I had a discussion with a co-worker the day Palin became the VP pick.  This co-worker hated Palin.  I asked her why since she couldn't possibly know enough about her yet to hold such a strong opinion.  She told me she was pro-choice and couldn't respect anyone who was "as pro-life" as Palin.  She said any woman who would not make an exception for rape or incest was hateful and "didn't care about people".

Now, I'm pro-abortion.  Pro-choice is a stupid term.  You're either for keeping abortion legal or against keeping abortion legal.  I'm pro-abortion because I believe it's a privacy issue and the private medical decisions of others are nobody else's business.  Period.  Butt out.  Mind your own damned business.  And I also believe, without a shred of a doubt, that if it were men who got pregnant there would be McBortions on every street corner.  Anyone who doesn't think that is true is living in their own Bizarro World.

I told my co-worker that one of my favorite tactics when arguing with pro-lifers was to get them to admit they would make an exception for rape or incest.  Once I did that, I had them.  They lost the argument.  Once you bring choice into it, you've lost whatever "pro-life" credibility you had.  Whether it's the choice to end a pregnancy or get pregnant in the first place, you're pro-choice. 

Liberals don't understand people who stand up for a principle.  So they have to demonize them to make themselves feel superior.

270 Sally Ann Cavanaugh, you are mistaken. 

Yes, private insurers to do not provide unlimited coverage for medical procedures.  But is there any doubt that appealing a government decision about paying for a procedure will be many times, if not infinitely more difficult that channging a private carrier?  Is there any doubt that a law suit or other threats mean nothing to the government?  Or bad publicity?  That is why death panel describes a government decision concerning treatment much more so than the decision of a private insurance carrier.

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