1 Stupid cunt.

2

anally raped = photos in jacuzzi

I don't know how I missed that.  Free Roman!

3 AAaaaa, blockquote!

No matter how they twist and turn and perform amazing feats of pretzel logic, the facts remain.

Leftist love child-rape.

4 I thank Annie Applebaum for officially taking date rape off the table. A true champion of women and children, insuring their sexual pleasure and stimulation for generations to come.

I would be happy to invite Annie over for a dip in my jacuzzi. I just filled it with horse dung.

5 Hey Ace you forgot to close the quote tag.

6 It's offensive to me that Applebaum continues to breathe air on the same planet I do.
Keep speaking Applebaum! With every word, you become a bigger jackass for the Left!

7

Clarence Thomas isn't black either.

He could black if he believed the right things, like raping teens is all cool like.

Funny how the libs just have these interesting standards about things.

8 Posted by: nnptcgrad at September 30, 2009 01:54 PM (Opyrm)

To be fair, even the rank and file douchebags that comment at the HuffPo are in an uproar over this. I read about 20 comments in a thread this morning and not even one of them had Polanski's back.

9 Well, they've always been revolting.

You said it! They stink on ice!
Anne Applebaum too.

10 Rape is not a crime!

Rape-Rape is!

FREE POLANSKI!!

11 I said it yesterday and I repeat: Child rape is a liberal value.


Check a post from "entropy" on yesterday's thread, it was a bullseye. Liberals do literally think raping children is a matter open to interpretation, and probably not a bad thing.

12 Perhaps the learned Ms Applebaum can point out the relevant section of Cal Penal Code Sec 261 which states:

"Kings X on the rape charge if the victim calls her Mom and says everything is okay".

Perhaps Ms Applebaum can find and quote that section for us.

13 The really scary thing about the concept of "rape-rape"?
Rape-rape-rape.

14 The "intelligentsia" is a clique, like jocks and heads in high school. They don't care whether or not Polanski diddled a girl (well, except for the ones who have done it themselves and are interested in mainstreaming the practice), they care that one of their own is being attacked. Thus, they rally around him.

15 The thing is Applebaum is really not a leftist. She is liberal in the way that the media class is liberal -- they are steeped in liberalism all day long -- but she's generally been regarded (including by me) as in the center, often leaning to the right, and usually a sensible enough voice. As sensible, at least, as anyone with good standing with the leftwing media can be.

16 Again....

The same people that have told us for years that America is a terrible place now want us to believe that being "exiled" is punishment enough.

17 I've heard Applebaum enjoys rape-rape, but not rape-rape-rape. She is also open to duck-duck-goose.

18 I'll say that so far, all my leftie friends that I've heard from want to see Polansky do time. I find this very encouraging.

19 The thing is Applebaum is really not a leftist. She is liberal in the way that the media class is liberal -- they are steeped in liberalism all day long -- but she's generally been regarded (including by me) as in the center, often leaning to the right, and usually a sensible enough voice. As sensible, at least, as anyone with good standing with the leftwing media can be.
True. She wrote a pretty devastating work about the gulags, for example. But she does want to be with "our kind of people" (the intelligentsia) so she's willing to carry Polanski's water. Don't try to imagine that around lunchtime, though.

20
Something to cleanse the palette.

21 What an idiot. I have to say this though, the parents of the victims are beyond stupid or maybe just plain greedy. What kind of parent would let their 13 year old go on a private photo shoot without a chaperon?

22 A couple of quick thoughts:

1 -  Roman Polanski  was sleeping with the then 15yo Natassja Kinski back in the late 70s. 

2 -  Mike Tyson was an artist in the ring.  Plus, boxing is "the Sweet Science" so he was a scientist, too.  Given the circumstances involved - can the Hollywood Elite give Mike Tyson a retroactive pass for quote raping unquote Robin Givhan.

3 - Could any moron here with production equipment make a parody:  "The Accused - Roman Polanski's Director's Cut" .  Overdub the speeches to show that Jodie Foster did, indeed, deserve to get raped.  Add a  courtroom scene where Jodie has to pay for the damage to the pinball machine.

.

23 Maybe the Polish foreign minister is acting on his wife's opinion, not the other way around. I doubt the people of Poland are any more OK with child rape than the French or Americans are.

24

 Les People as the “crypto-intelligentsia of our country” who deliver “eloquent phrases that defy common sense.”

And in America, we call that "The Obama Administration".

25 You should go read the comments at the Washington Post to her latest piece.  Holy crap, they're tearing her a new one (without the benefit of quaaludes and soft jazz music).

26 #19
Also, irrelevant to this item is where, on the whole, Applebaum's execrable frame lies on the political spectrum. The point is her interpretation of this crime can only be seen as a left-wing interpretation. She has adopted the far left point of view here.

27
The really scary thing about the concept of "rape-rape"?
Rape-rape-rape.

DAMMIT!  I was gonna be so witty with my 'Rape³' comment. 

28

Holy crap, they're tearing her a new one (without the benefit of quaaludes and soft jazz music).

But they're not tearing-tearing her a new one, so it's ok!

29

DAMMIT!  I was gonna be so witty with my 'Rape³' comment. 

Could the rape-cube beat the rape tunnel in armed combat?

30 I love when Ace latches on to someone or something (preferably both) to attack.

If righteous snark were weaponizable, Obama would want to talk to Ace and have him disarmed. 

31 Few things in life - thankfully - can demonstrate just how sick, depraved, and twisted is the mental disorder that is liberalism than has this.

32

Moral outrage frome the child-rapist defender?

No freakin" way.

33

Gee whiz, child-rape is all the rage these days. First ACORN, now this. Next, it'll be kids being mind-raped into singing songs about Obam, what?

Huh?

Oh, never mind.

34 Really, what's with the shock?  Modern "feminists" like Anne have had absolutely no problem with sexual abuse of their own gender (Bill Clinton, their total silence on the appalling treatment of women in Muslim lands, etc.)

After all, it's not like Polanski ever came out against abortion.  THAT would be indefensible!

35

So she is opposed to her daughter being raped but doesn't have a problem with someone else having their daughter raped. 

Nuance!! Is there anything it can't do?

These big brained hoi polloi are so deucedly clever. 

 

 

36

Personally, I think the mom of that girl should be in jail or should have at least lost custody of her daughter.  What the heck was she thinking?  If I had a kid, no matter who wanted to take pictures of her, I would not let her go unless I was present at the photo shoot.

And gee, what a shocker, the French aren't as "enlightened" (read depraved) and as laissez faire (read morality free) as we thought as displayed by this poll:

Of the 30,000 participants in an online poll by the French daily Le Figaro, more than 70 percent said Mr. Polanski, 76, should face justice. And in the magazine Le Point, more than 400 letter writers were almost universal in their disdain for Mr. Polanski.

 

37 Let her eat cake!

38 Ace, you are a Misoooooooogynist!

When I visited Switzerland a few years ago, we toured the Chateau de Chillon, where Byron (another hedonistic artist who probably slept with his half sister!) wrote his "Prisoner of Chillon." So every time I think of Polanski in a Swiss prison, I picture him languishing in Chillon in manacles. Not accurate of course but highly amusing.

Tentative request: do any morons want to change the words of the Prisoner of Chillon to fit Polanski's predicament? Don't feel you have to do the whole thing, yikes that would be death, but just a stanza or so. I would love the LOLs.

A bit of the poem here:

My hair is grey, but not with years,
Nor grew it white
In a single night,1
As men's have grown from sudden fears:
5 My limbs are bow'd, though not with toil,
But rusted with a vile repose,
For they have been a dungeon's spoil,
And mine has been the fate of those
To whom the goodly earth and air
10 Are bann'd, and barr'd -- forbidden fare;
But this was for my father's faith
I suffer'd chains and courted death;
That father perish'd at the stake
For tenets he would not forsake;
15 And for the same his lineal race
In darkness found a dwelling-place;
We were seven - who now are one,
Six in youth and one in age,
Finish'd as they had begun,
20 Proud of Persecution's rage;
One in fire, and two in field,
Their belief with blood have seal'd:
Dying as their father died,
For the God their foes denied; --
25 Three were in a dungeon cast,
Of whom this wreck is left the last.

Poem in full here: http://tinyurl.com/ycbr283

39

The implication, in any case, that I am a spokesman for my husband -- while not quite as offensive as the implication that my daughter should be raped -- is offensive nevertheless.

I bet that spousal immunity really ticks her off, too.

40

If righteous snark were weaponizable, Obama would want to talk to Ace and have him disarmed. 

Oh trust me, DrewM, we're working on that.

41 Either way I don't get how "Yes you may photograph my daughter, in a modeling shoot for a fashion magazine, in the jacuzzi" translates to "Go ahead and have sex with her, and if you're in the mood for a little ass-play, feel free to indulge that impulse as well."

"Oh, and pleeeeease give her drugs and alcohol."

42 Defending Polanski is a position of the liberal intelligentsia only. It grows out of the twin concepts of "victimless" crime and the idea that sex is a beautiful loving act which can never truly be a crime. Sex can never be a violation. The violation is mental or physical born of the force part of rape, not the sex. In their minds since there was no physical damage done to Polanski's victim and the victim has overcome any metal damage, or there never was any, there is now at this point no victim. In their minds this is the equivalent of locking someone up for a hit and run of a parked car 30 years later after the person has already made restitution monetarily for any damages. It's a sick mindset which suggests that people should just "get over it" and look forward to the cash. Money makes things all better.

43 I was supposed to read the prisoner of Chillon in college. If it was short, maybe I did.

I was supposed to read a lot of Byron, but didn't. Some of his 'poems" like Don Juan are friggin' books. Boring books.

44 bite me.

45 Anne is fond of fallacies in analysis and phalluses in analuses.

46  was supposed to read a lot of Byron, but didn't. Some of his 'poems" like Don Juan are friggin' books. Boring books.

Posted by: ace at September 30, 2009 02:20 PM (d6tLI)

Hey, if you have to prop up the corner of the couch they're great.

47

From this idiotic piece at WaPo:

But to them, and to all who imagine that the original incident at the heart of this story was a straightforward and simple criminal case...

Gee--like Roman Polanski?  Who, you know, plead guilty?

What the hell is wrong with these people?

48 Irony is not dead -

Polanski's US attorneys made a point recently of mentioning that the ass-raping a child charges should be dropped as the LA prosecutors had not made any serious attempts to have Polanski arrested and extradited lo these many years.

As they say¹:  heh.

-

_{1 - "they" being Glenn Reynolds}

49
Remember when the WaPo got caught selling access to Administration officials and members of congress?  Good times, good times.

50

But the thing is, if a male senator just happens to have a wife who's a lobbyist for green energy, we accuse him of having a conflict of interest, too.

No we don't.

51

many of us have known for a while the feminism card was fake.

You must Fit Their ideology And You must live your life as they dictate.

Only some women are worthy, haven't we seen their justifying horror of other womens experiences in other countries as Cultural so excusable?

we see at a moments notice they will shrilly shriek at a young girl getting pregnant while unwed if she is On the wrong side (not a lefty or dem).

there seem to be a hierchy of worthiness, an artistic man that could benefit them in some wa

 Joan Z. Shore

Co-founder, Women Overseas for Equality (Belgium)

Posted: September 27, 2009 09:41 AMher gripe was with the swiss not the suffering of a young girl,

 

 

 

52 I just didn't know, Ace. Am I my husband's keeper? He could be raping 13-year old children and I'd be none the wiser. I only demand that he respects me... as a womyn. I don't demand a sign-out sheet. Your tone really upsets me. Don't make me roar.

53 If the mother wasn't up to snuff, that makes it all the more incumbent on the other adults to behave responsibly. So that's not a mitigating factor, but the opposite.

54

Anne is fond of fallacies in analysis and phalluses in analuses.

It's comments like this that make Ace the Place!  We're talking glittery, golden wordsmithing, people!  Thread winnah, Kommisar!

55 Say what you want about the mother, some justifiably, but she is the one who reported the rape the first she heard about it.

56 OT: Wow, just wow. Any other morons here listen to Rush? The female caller (Susan from Glendale, CA) he just had on his show the last 10 minutes... just wow. She was amazing. Her passion in her call. She was on the brink of tears the entire time. I certainly hope someone posts the audio of that call later today or tomorrow.

(I'll be posting the transcript of her call on my blog later, but her call needs to be heard. I was on the brink of tears to hear a fellow American speak with such passion about her frustration with this government and her desire to get our country back from the Marxists and get back to representative republican governing.)

And I hope it represents the anger, frustration, disgust and PASSION of people all across this nation.

I gotta say, her impassioned 10 minute speech/call reminded me of the moronettes here. You women are amazing. I'm so glad you are out there. I have too many rabid liberal woman in my life, so it's such an utter joy to hear the passion and emotion of you conservative, patriotic ladies.

57

Fuck Ann Applebaum in the ass . . .

. . . with Roman Polanski's dick . . .

58 "Oh, and pleeeeease give her drugs and alcohol."

And fuck her up the ass while you're at it.

59

many of us have known for a while the feminism card was fake.

You must Fit Their ideology And You must live your life as they dictate.

Only some women are worthy, haven't we seen their justifying horror of other womens experiences in other countries as Cultural so excusable?

we see at a moments notice they will shrilly shriek at a young girl getting pregnant while unwed if she is On the wrong side (not a lefty or dem).

there seem to be a hierchy of worthiness, an artistic man that could benefit them in some way/// 

  as with this woman below//

 Joan Z. Shore

Co-founder, Women Overseas for Equality (Belgium)

Posted: September 27, 2009 09:41 AM

her gripe was with the swiss not the suffering of a young girl

As a Woman  for Equality of women

corrected dumb post above

60 Posted by: Michael in MI at September 30, 2009 02:34 PM

He kept her on after the 2:30 break and she is still on now.

61 George Orwell: "...She is also open to duck-duck-goose."

Heh.

Thank you for the levity.

62 That contempt was not only directed at Mr. Polanski, but at the French class of celebrities — nicknamed Les People — who are part of Mr. Polanski’s rarefied Parisian world. Letter writers to Le Point scorned Les People as the “crypto-intelligentsia of our country” who deliver “eloquent phrases that defy common sense.”

Ball-dippingly good: First, "Les People", mocking the pseudointellectual international Marxists.  Second, was the last phrase.  I have never seen anything that defines Obama and his crowd of worshipers more than crypto-intelligentsia who deliver eloquent phrases that defy common sense.

63 Posted by: Michael in MI at September 30, 2009 02:34 PM (ObTcs)

I heard it too.  He let her go for 10 minutes without interruption.  She's still on with him.

64

hmm. Lets, blame the mother, let's blame the victim,  but heck let's defend the rapist, these apologists have lost their minds. there is no excuse at all, indefensible, and makes them look complicite in desiring to hide a crime.

so there. Ann.

65 Does anyone have any Laudanum? Roman, maybe you?

66

>> The thing is Applebaum is really not a leftist. She is liberal in the way that the media class is liberal -- they are steeped in liberalism all day long -- but she's generally been regarded (including by me) as in the center, often leaning to the right, and usually a sensible enough voice.

I agree with that, which makes her faux outrage even more suspect.

67 To be fair, Anne's argument is that Polanski should skate because he's "one of us" (the rich cultural elite). Her husband wants him freed because he's "one of them" (the Poles). Completely different facts and logic. Hell, her reasoning is the exact opposite of his. It's sheer coincidence that both reach the same conclusion. No conflict here at all. Except the essence of modern liberal thought versus simple human decency.

68 I am sickened and shocked by Ann Applebaum, Whoopi Goldberg and all these other mothers who are Polanski apologists. What type of moral contortions do they need to twist themselves into to excuse the rape of another woman's child because that woman is not a member of their elite group. And these women call themselves feminists?? And yet blame the young victim. It makes me puke.

Part of Applebaum's pathetic defense of Polanski was that he wasn't sure how old she was. One of the WaPo commenters torpedoed that excuse by providing this snippet from the court transcript.

Mr. Gunson (Prosecutor): On March 10th, 1977, the day you had sexual intercourse with the complaining witness, how old did you believe her to be?

(Pause in the proceedings while a discussion off the record ensued at teh counsel table between the defendant and his counsel.)

The Defendant (Polanski): She was 13.

Mr. Gunson: Did you understand that she was 13 on March 10th, 1977, when you had sexual intercourse with her?

(Pause in the proceedings while a discussion off the record ensued at the counsel table between the defendant and his counsel.)

The defendant: Yes.

69 Michael in MI, thank you.

This shouldn't be a left vs right issue, but the fact remains, that even though most leftists probably don't support this pervert, all of his supporters are on the left, the side that falsely claims to support women's rights. They won't protect us, and they want to disarm us.

All this crap is giving me the skeeves and makes me want to go out and add to the gun collection.

70 Someone needs to come out with a deck of pathetic defense cards.  There'd be:
The Marriage Card
The Race Card
The Sexism Card
The Islam Card
The Poverty Card
The "I gots 6 kids and no hubband" Card
The "My wife was murdered and I'm a film director so I get to asspound a 13-year old" Card
The Illegal Alien Undocumented Worker Card
The Kennedy Card
The Obama Joker Card
The "This isn't the _____ I knew" Card
The "He's a guy in the neighborhood" Implausible Deniability Card

71 I dunno where this fascination with 13  year old girls is coming for. I much prefer grown men myself.

72 Send Polanski over to my place. These well sculpted arms aren't just for twisting the heads off chicken. I'll grind the little fucker's bones into flour and make Barrack's baby porridge with it.

73

It is almost funny seeing all the contortions these idiots are doing to try to justify their idiot support for a child raping asshole.

74 Sooner or later, the mask slips from ALL of these "liberals" and people get to see the true insanity and utter depravity in their souls.

Leftism is truly a mental disease.

75 Does anyone have any Laudanum? Roman, maybe you?

Posted by: zombie lord byron at September 30, 2009 02:41 PM (3wl7s)

Coke Zero up the nose has to be one of those enhanced interrogation techniques.

76 Polanski raped, Applebaum scraped.

77 I've said it before ... the most anti-woman (and anti-girl) people out there are liberals. They just bury it beneath a bunch of happy horse shit about feminism.

78 <i>But to them, and to all who imagine that the original incident at the heart of this story was a straightforward and simple criminal case, I recommend reading the transcript of the victim's testimony (here in two parts) -- including her descriptions of the telephone conversation she had with her mother from Polanski's house, asking permission to be photographed in Jack Nicholson's jacuzzi -- and not just the salacious bits.</i>

How anyone could read the transcript of the trial that Ms. Applebaum has on her website and not be disgusted and appalled beyond belief at what Polanski did to that girl is beyond comprehension.

79 Even the crazed academic at Salon, Camille Paglia [?], wrote that Sarah Palin's treatment by the left proved that feminism is indeed a rules-based game. As for Applebaum, the feigned "virtuous outrage" is just another 'strong offense is the best defense' stance. I've used it in business occasionally and once against an HR officer when I'd been caught out for un-PC comment. Note to gearheads: "Rice-grinder" or "Rice-burner" is actually a racist term. And, don't talk hobbies in front of HR officers. Finally, without this blog I wouldn't have known who Applebaum is. It was a preferable condition.

80 16
ITA. If America is such a horrible place in most of their minds, isn't being forced to stay away a blessing not a curse? Therefore he has not truly been punished, and should come back to this rotten, godforsaken country to serve his time.

59
I like to think of myself as a feminist with a lower-case f; more in the mold of Anthony and Stanton than Steinem. I never understood why in order to love being a woman I had to learn to hate men, and all the rest of that nonsense. "Feminism" is yet another noble term that has been hijacked by the far left and twisted into something truly bizarre and alienating. Another "I do not think that word means what you think it means" kind of thing.

81 54 @ runningrn

Agreed. Nabokov couldn't have turned a prettier phrase.

82 Hey, let's keep this all in perspective. I mean, it's not like he raped a defenseless black child.

83

Thing is, Ms Applebaum, women who defend middle aged perverts who drug, rape and sodomise 13 year old girls, then state that the drugging, raping and sodomising of the child wasn't a "straightforward and simple criminal case" and basically imply she was a little tart who was asking for it have kind of forfeited the right to play the outraged feminist card.

Oh, and if you want to be offended by "the implication that my daughter should be raped", try not defending people who have actually raped children. Or implying they had it coming.

84 "they've always been revolting. Now they're rebelling:"

Tell me this wasn't an accidental Dragonheart reference.

Mmm... Sean Connery. Or at least his voice.

85 As if we needed any more proof, Liberalism (TM): justifying the unjustifiable while still maintaining the higher moral ground, somehow.

These people are going to destroy society.

86 I can't believe that anyone attempting to defend or excuse Polanski would link to the court transcripts. The girl's testimony, his guilty plea, and the question and answer process by which that plea was entered into the record is utterly damning to every argument they make.

87

She also played the "blame the victim" card.  I thought these two cards were mutually exclusive.

 

88 24

 Les People as the “crypto-intelligentsia of our country” who deliver “eloquent phrases that defy common sense.”

And in America, we call that "The Obama Administration".

 

Thread Winner!!

89 Yeah, how dare you people accuse me of defending Polanski just because my husband is lobbying for the guy's release. I'll have you know that i came to the conclusion that it's fine for famous directors to assrape underage girls all by myself.

90 Law firm friends of Eric Holder hired by Polanski. What would Whoopi do?

91
Credit the democratic power of the internet for that, which allows, finally, a public to talk back to its insular and insulated political class.

Read an article in Huffington Post defending Polanski. In the comments, there was unanimous* condemnation of Polanski. The people have more common sense than the elite Les People.



*didn't read EVERY comment. About 10.

92 Come on, Ace--read the testimony over at Smoking Gun. The girl's mother didn't, according to the grand jury transcript, discuss the hot tub. Polanski just told the mother that they'd be home late because the sun had gone down. (I infer that that meant to the mother that indoor lighting had to be set up.)

And you're right that the mother didn't have license to sell her daughter to Polanski for an evening, but beyond that, the reason the crime came to light is that her mother found out (Samantha told her boyfriend about it over the phone, and her sister overheard and told her mom), and, as Samantha put it in an interview later, "all hell broke loose."

Hardly the actions of a woman who figured a little sex with her underaged kid on the side was a reasonable price to pay for a brush with greatness (or a career for her daughter, or for herself, or whatever smear they are using this week).

93

What I find interesting is the disconnect between the political-academic class and 'the people'.  The internet brought that division to the surface.

All a wily populist has to do is champion the interests of 'the people' against the 'intelligentsia' and you got your next western european fascist movement on the cheap.

94 How can I feel any more disgust for these people than I do?

DRUGGED, ASS RAPED,  REPEATEDLY SAID NO.

How can people defend this? 

I already know the answer. 

These are the same type of people who approve of abortion.

Once you cross that line, anything can be justified and excused.

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