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Barack Obama, Pension Cutter

There really are no words to describe how disgusting this is:

WASHINGTON -- In a strongly worded message to Congress outlining presidential priorities for a military spending bill, the Obama administration said Friday it disapproved of including money for pensions for 26 elderly members of the World War II-era Alaska Territorial Guard.

The White House move drew swift rebuke from the state's two senators, Republican Lisa Murkowski and Democrat Mark Begich, who had together sponsored the pension fix.

The legislation honors 26 elderly Alaskans who are the few remaining survivors of a military unit that served the country with valor, Murkowski said, calling the administration's direction "deeply disappointing, bordering on insensitive."

Bordering on insensitive? This post at Redstate outlines the service these guardsmen provided to our country in a time of war. The president is willing to spend billions reforming taking over the healthcare system but can't spare a few bucks to pay 26 elderly guardsmen an average of $600 a month for the rest of their lives? So yeah, I would say this more than "borders" on insensitive. It defines it.

Just when I thought the Obama administration has lost the ability to surprise me.

Priorities - In other news, the president plans to visit Copenhagen to lobby in support of Chicago getting the 2016 Olympics. A report from Henry Waxman from 2006 estimates the cost of flying Air Force One at $56,518 an hour.

Posted by: Slublog at 11:12 AM



Comments

1 Lower than low, O hates LE and the Armed Forces, apparently even more than Hillary.

Posted by: mbruce at September 28, 2009 11:14 AM (t/GDA)

2 Alaska = Palin, so no pensions, haters.

Posted by: Barack "budget hawk" Obama at September 28, 2009 11:16 AM (RD7QR)

3 "Bordering on insensitive"?  I know we don't want to have the outrage perpetually turned up to 11, but this warrants a little better than a 1.5, don't you think?

Posted by: Stealth Gay Conservative Academic at September 28, 2009 11:16 AM (yK/Nm)

4 Shut up, yo! He won!

Posted by: EC at September 28, 2009 11:17 AM (mAhn3)

5 Yeah, but these retirees are all Native Alaskans.  It's not like they're a core Democrat constituent bloc.

Now, if they were Black, or Latino, or gay, then there'd be some political reason for Obama to fund their pensions.

Remind me again, who are the racists in today's American political landscape?

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 11:18 AM (f0O9k)

6 Penny wise, pound foolish. 

He's probably doing this to claim that he's going to save money for the country, yet short-changing people who served the country will cost him more politically than he gains by doing so.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 28, 2009 11:18 AM (olNam)

7 Palin and the Military..

It's a twofer that Barack can crap on..


Posted by: Dave C at September 28, 2009 11:19 AM (La0Tt)

8 Just tell him those 26 guys are Democrats. Also, Acorn can enlarge them to being 593 voters.  That'll get their benefits back.

Posted by: Tom in Korea at September 28, 2009 11:19 AM (+gX1+)

9 Fiscally for the country, this is the right thing to do. However with our past track record this is wrong on so many levels. This is NOT where you decide to change your mind (unless you change your mind on everything else).

Yet again, fine military men are sacrificed at the hands of the progressive machine.

Posted by: aimsworth at September 28, 2009 11:20 AM (COlx6)

10
It's coming for every vet, don't worry.  Piece of shit has already tried to make wounded vets pay for their own healthcare.  To Precedent Wee Wee and his Wookie, the armed forces represent everything that is evil and wrong with the U.S.

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 28, 2009 11:20 AM (Haq+B)

11 one would think a sociopath wouldn't make a mistake so stupid

Posted by: fluffy at September 28, 2009 11:21 AM (4Kl5M)

12 It's reached a point where you can predict with 100% certainty that if something is the wrong thing to do, this amoral administration will be fully behind it.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at September 28, 2009 11:22 AM (554T5)

13 well once health care reform passes there won't be any elderly alaskans anyway. so..... problem solved, right? right?

Posted by: justanotherbostonian at September 28, 2009 11:22 AM (GFaLW)

14 Must be that Harvard training at work.

Posted by: rawmuse at September 28, 2009 11:23 AM (d/IHZ)

15 But he can spare $400k for Qaddafi's kids.  He is openly how much he hates our country.


Posted by: Gary at September 28, 2009 11:23 AM (gy46J)

16 KAKISTOCRACY

You guys all shut up before it costs us the 2016 Olympics!

Posted by: allahallahoxenfree at September 28, 2009 11:24 AM (bdF7p)

17 He really was putting that money aside for slavery reparation funding.

Posted by: Roy at September 28, 2009 11:25 AM (cB77O)

18 Oba-Mao, get whitey is all he knows. He learned all he knows from the Rev Wright. And if a few minorities have to take the hit, they are expendable as ACORN employees.

Posted by: bill-tb at September 28, 2009 11:25 AM (iiiMw)

19 Barack Odouchebag.

'Strongly worded.'  That's more than Iran gets, even.

Billions for scumbags in the SEIU, ACORN, dem payoffs, but not American vets. 

No class.

Posted by: nickless at September 28, 2009 11:26 AM (MMC8r)

20 How well is this going to go down with the 'Cuda?  These are from her turf, right?  Nice one.

Posted by: Mouse at September 28, 2009 11:27 AM (5cUJG)

21 Not really surprising. Zero and his ilk hate military.

Posted by: maddogg at September 28, 2009 11:27 AM (OlN4e)

22

Can we make a little graphic of him pushing a senior down the stairs or would that be racist?

I mean like they did to GWB. But he was not Teh Won.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at September 28, 2009 11:27 AM (JSetw)

23 lets not forget the TEN BILLION for union pensions in the Obamacare bill.


Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at September 28, 2009 11:27 AM (5r0Tz)

24 and somewhere in chicago 26 city workers got a 600 dollar a mth raise.

Posted by: willow at September 28, 2009 11:28 AM (GkYyh)

25 So we are looking at a cost of what  $500,000/annum over less then 10 years?


Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2009 11:28 AM (L64A6)

26 Military pensions: wasteful frivolities.
Subsidized goodies for union thugs: moral imperatives.

As usually President Shit-Brain has his true priorities front and center...

Posted by: Chainsaw Chimp at September 28, 2009 11:29 AM (pLTLS)

27 The really despicable part is that these brave souls served in one of the most brutal environments on earth against this nation's most brutal enemy.... without pay. It was also the first and only invasion of US soil by a foreign army since the War of 1812.

As a side note, my old unit was one of the infantry battalions that fought at Attu. I have a soft spot in my heart for that piece of US history.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2009 11:30 AM (cc7EP)

28 I guess I wouldn't mind so much if Obama also object to the inclusion of $20 million or so for a Ted Kennedy monument in (I think) the same bill

Posted by: BoBma at September 28, 2009 11:30 AM (TBwc4)

29 Be a shame if those pensions cut into his travel budget.

Posted by: tree hugging sister at September 28, 2009 11:30 AM (RAqf7)

30 He's got to pay for that billion to Palestine somehow.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2009 11:31 AM (1Jaio)

31

Behold our anti-American president!

I'll be glad when we have an election or two with big Republican wins so we can bitch-slap this little twit with it.

 

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 28, 2009 11:33 AM (ZGhSv)

32

Fiscally for the country, this is the right thing to do.

No, it's not.  A true fiscal conservative does not want to cut the budget to zero.  (That would be an anarchist.)  Government should pay its rightful obligations and that most definitely includes pensions to retired members of the armed forces.  Obama's justification is hopelessly weak:

State lawmakers passed a bill earlier this year to fill the pay gap until Congress made a permanent fix, but the White House said Friday it didn't think it was "appropriate to establish a precedent of treating service performed by a state employee as active duty for purposes of the computation of retired pay."

LOL at the time, Alaska wasn't even a state!

Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2009 11:33 AM (PhN4p)

33
$500M to algore and his stupid electric cars...

Posted by: Tweet & the Marathon Man at September 28, 2009 11:33 AM (Mei2x)

34 I wonder if Hawaii's two Senators are going to say something.

Daniel Akaka is Hawaii's first US Senator of Native Hawaiian ancestry and served in the Army Corps of Engineers in WWII.

Daniel Inouye is a Hawaiian of Japanese ancestry and served with outstanding valor in WWII in the Fighting 442nd Nisei Brigade, the military's most highly decorated unit.  He lost an arm in the war.

I wonder if they support the President of their party, the first President from their home state, in this action toward fellow WWII veterans?

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 11:33 AM (f0O9k)

35 Markie Marxist sez:  "As ex-military types,  those 26 former Alaska Territorial Guard guys probably vote Republican.  We need to eliminate our political enemies, not give them pensions.  The sooner they can't pay their utility bills up there and freeze to death, the better.  Obama knows what he's doing!"

Posted by: Chas at September 28, 2009 11:34 AM (yjDfo)

36 I can't see how they can call it "state service" when Alaska was not even a state during WWII.  Maybe it was part of the 57 states according to the new geography of Obama.

Posted by: KLL at September 28, 2009 11:34 AM (/5Axw)

37

Can we make a little graphic of him pushing a senior down the stairs or would that be racist?

I mean like they did to GWB. But he was not Teh Won.

I would love to see a cartoonist release a series of ridiculous cartoons from the bush years simply reworked to replace bush with obama.  I bet the left would be in an uproar at the "racism" inherent in those cartoons.

Posted by: justanotherbostonian at September 28, 2009 11:35 AM (GFaLW)

38

Can we make a little graphic of him pushing a senior down the stairs or would that be racist?

I mean like they did to GWB. But he was not Teh Won.

Richard Widmark as Tommy Udo pushing Mildred Dunnock down the stairs in her wheelchair.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2009 11:35 AM (cc7EP)

39 Just when I thought the Obama administration has lost the ability to surprise me.

You should the lose ability to become surprised by Bambi and Co. over the next 3-1/2 years or so.

Posted by: physics geek at September 28, 2009 11:37 AM (MT22W)

40

It would be nice to know more details on the story. This may sound heartless but, my guess is that normal WWII vets, without other reasons, do not get pensions, therefore these guys will not get pensions and would not qualify under current VA rules.

 

That being said, the excuse given in the article by the admin of “this being State service” is plainly stupid and reflects someone who doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. AK was a territory in WWII, therefore it was Federal service.

 

The solution for this would be for the AK congressional members to sponsor special legislation to get these guys pensions and get it pushed through under rapid rules. Hell, like someone said above we are throwing money everywhere right now including a half a billion dollars to ACORN (still) so what is a few more bucks for the 26 guys.

Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2009 11:37 AM (CDUiN)

41 32

LOL at the time, Alaska wasn't even a state!

Neither was Hawaii.  I wonder if Teh Won plans to screw Hawaiian WWII vets the same way.

As for the fiscal implications, that's like an emergency room doctor focusing on the splinter in the patient's finger... put there when the circular saw that was cutting through his abdomen threw off a bit of old sawdust.

This is truly lower than low.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 11:37 AM (f0O9k)

42 The military? What's that? Can we somehow divert like 100% of the military budget to "reform" *wink wink* let's say the Chicago Olympics? How much would it take to get the Olympics? 1 billion? Sure take it out of the military budget. Not like they needed it.

Posted by: Kaitian at September 28, 2009 11:38 AM (XnCWq)

43

Theo Spark note that this sign is popping up on roads crossing the Mason Dixon Line.  A blast from the past for old vets.

Posted by: trainer at September 28, 2009 11:39 AM (xm4fr)

44 Between spending the money on Wagyu beef and arugula, or spending it on some old baby-killers, which do you think I'm going to choose?

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 28, 2009 11:39 AM (VmtE9)

45 Mind-numbingly clueless.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 28, 2009 11:43 AM (WvXvd)

46 This is no worse than Barry's "plan" earlier this year to have National Guardsmen use their private insurance to pay for war injuries.

Barry is all about "priorities".  The Armed Forces is not one of them.  Too bad Barry couldn't pinch a few pennies on Porkulus.

Posted by: GarandFan at September 28, 2009 11:43 AM (ZQBnQ)

47 This is a campaign commercial that almost writes itself - a few weathered, proud old warriors, brutal (and beautiful) Alaskan landscapes and screaming Zero's. 

Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2009 11:43 AM (L64A6)

48 38

Can we make a little graphic of him pushing a senior down the stairs or would that be racist?

I mean like they did to GWB. But he was not Teh Won.

Richard Widmark as Tommy Udo pushing Mildred Dunnock down the stairs in her wheelchair.

Here's the video.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 11:44 AM (f0O9k)

49

This is truly lower than low.

Yes it is, but what's more important is the message: crush and demoralize the opposition in very way possible. Even if it barely registers on the radar.

This is a show of "strength", in a demented way. If we on the right complain, it gives ammuntion to the leftists so they can say "Look how petty conservatives are!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 28, 2009 11:45 AM (ZGhSv)

50 43

Theo Spark note that this sign is popping up on roads crossing the Mason Dixon Line.  A blast from the past for old vets.

We need a few of those for the roads leading into California.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 11:46 AM (f0O9k)

51 49

This is a show of "strength", in a demented way. If we on the right complain, it gives ammuntion to the leftists so they can say "Look how petty conservatives are!"

It'll backfire.  What's more petty that going after the pensions of a handful of Alaskan Natives who defended US territory in WWII?

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 11:47 AM (f0O9k)

52
16

KAKISTOCRACY

You guys all shut up before it costs us CHICAGO the 2016 Olympics!

___________________________

FIFY

Posted by: fixerupper at September 28, 2009 11:47 AM (J5Hcw)

53 How'd you like to be a military recruiter about now?

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at September 28, 2009 11:48 AM (d0ih6)

54 Bust the Wookiee down to 5 servants and use the savings to pay the old guys who defended us. 

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at September 28, 2009 11:48 AM (NtiET)

55

Look folks, I am all for bashing Obama for crap he or his minions do but this may not be a case of that. Simply being a vet does not qualify you for a pension from the government. I am a Vietnam vet but I will never collect any kind of pension from the government for that. The only thing that qualifies you for a “pension” for military service is to retire from the service after serving for years. There is no mention in any of these news articles of whether or not these guys qualified for a pension under the normal rules.

Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2009 11:50 AM (CDUiN)

56 Priorities.

Posted by: brak at September 28, 2009 11:51 AM (MYUgb)

57

It'll backfire. 

That it will. Those of us who value those who fight for our freedom will see this as yet another dig against the military by the effette left.

I'm just sayin' that's how The Vapid One's® trained minions will frame the argument.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 28, 2009 11:53 AM (ZGhSv)

58 Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2009 11:50 AM (CDUiN)

Normally I would agree. However, these guys were not paid anything for their service to the country, so providing them with some support seems the right thing to do given those circumstances.

Posted by: Slublog at September 28, 2009 11:53 AM (qjKko)

59 Were not paid anything at the time, I should add. 

Posted by: Slublog at September 28, 2009 11:54 AM (qjKko)

60 For the UAW, billions. For a small group of excellent Americans, nada. That just about sums up Zero and the Democratic Party.

Posted by: maddogg at September 28, 2009 11:55 AM (OlN4e)

61

OK, never mind I found this in the article that I had missed earlier:

 

The 26 men have enough other military service to reach the 20-year minimum for retirement pay but would see it decreased if their Territorial Guard service doesn't count.

 

I take back that last post, fuck Obama and his admin. They are lower than whale shit.

Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2009 11:55 AM (CDUiN)

62

There is no mention in any of these news articles of whether or not these guys qualified for a pension under the normal rules.

Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2009 11:50 AM (CDUiN)

Yes there is:

The Army decided this year it would no longer count service in the Guard when it calculates the military's 20-year minimum for retirement pay -- although it still counts for military benefits. As a result, those eligible for pensions saw them decreased in January.

An estimated 300 members are still living from the original 6,600-member unit formed in 1942 to protect Alaska, then a territory, from attack. The 26 men have enough other military service to reach the 20-year minimum for retirement pay but would see it decreased if their Territorial Guard service doesn't count.


Posted by: Tinian at September 28, 2009 11:56 AM (7+pP9)

63 $600 a month, 12 months a year: $7200 a year. 26 recipients: $187,200 a year.

Fire three or four of the people on Michelle's staff and you'll more than pay for this. Cancel the entire NEA and you'd have thousands times the money needed.

Hell, cut one of Murtha's earmarks and you could pay these 26 and the survivors of everyone in their unit a pension.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 28, 2009 11:56 AM (ZJ/un)

64 Vic, they were added by a Ted Stevens bill, because they served without pay.  This is nothing other then OSD clearing the books of Republican (esp. retired Republicans) projects.  If they don't want to call it a pension - then pay them their back salary (with interest) as a lump sum. 

Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2009 11:56 AM (L64A6)

65

Simply being a vet does not qualify you for a pension from the government.

You're right, but we have to learn something here.  We righties argue and obsess over rules and laws, because we rightly so have great respect for the rule of law.  The other side?  Not so much.  So when they want to do something by invoking some technical application of the law, it isn't a sign that they are obedient to the law, it illustrates their underlying motives.  After all, in virtually every other situation, they will circumvent and break the law when it suits them.  (GM/Chrysler bankruptcy, anyone?)  So I don't buy the notion that they are simply following the technical definition of veteran.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 28, 2009 11:57 AM (PhN4p)

66

Vic - Try re-reading the article:

" The Army decided this year it would no longer count service in the Guard when it calculates the military's 20-year minimum for retirement pay -- although it still counts for military benefits. As a result, those eligible for pensions saw them decreased in January."

"The 26 men have enough other military service to reach the 20-year minimum for retirement pay but would see it decreased if their Territorial Guard service doesn't count. "

Hmmmm, weak the reading comprehension is with this one.

Posted by: butch at September 28, 2009 11:57 AM (8X9tr)

67 How many regular Guard guys got hit by that rule change?

Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2009 11:58 AM (L64A6)

68 The action comes almost a decade after Congress passed a law qualifying time served in the unpaid guard as active federal service. The Army agreed in 2004 to grant official military discharge certificates to members or their survivors.

from the RedState link

Posted by: Jean at September 28, 2009 11:59 AM (L64A6)

69 Hey hey, I took it back at 61 folks.

Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2009 11:59 AM (CDUiN)

70 57

I'm just sayin' that's how The Vapid One's® trained minions will frame the argument.

For being The Brightest People On Earth™, they really make a boatload of dumb, dumb unforced errors, don't they?

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 12:01 PM (f0O9k)

71 Michelle needs enough earrings to match every outfit. 

Posted by: Naan at September 28, 2009 12:01 PM (YR3gL)

72 $6000 seems a bit too much for pension.

$3000 seems more reasonable.

Posted by: palin steele (the only child prostitution defender on AoSHQ) at September 28, 2009 12:02 PM (VDj74)

73 Where is this Alaska you speak of?

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at September 28, 2009 12:03 PM (a6xgs)

74 Hey hey, I took it back at 61 folks.

Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2009 11:59 AM (CDUiN

sorry no takebacks.

Posted by: liberal rules for conservatives at September 28, 2009 12:04 PM (m2CN7)

75 Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at September 28, 2009 12:02 PM (VDj74)

It's $600 per month, not $6000.

How's the job hunt going?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 28, 2009 12:05 PM (cc7EP)

76 I have to concur with #40 and #55. Instead of being denied something that World War II vets were getting, it seems like they are getting something that combat vets from WWII aren't getting, and I'm sorry, but that obscene if true--unless there are other mitigating factors, such as the individuals were denied GI Bill opportunities after the War, etc.

So before we go all out, here are some questions that need to be answered:

Did these individuals have the ability to join up with the regular forces, and chose not to do so? Did any native Alaskans have the opportunity to do so?

Did any of them see actual combat? I mean them, themselves.

There were other volunteer organizations during the war. The Civil Air Patrol comes to mind (it still exists), and the Coast Guard had something--both were engaged in anti-submarine patrols. What have these individuals received?

What have WWII Merchant Mariners received? During the war, there was a lot of heartbreak over these guys, because while they most definitely went into danger (think Battle of the Atlantic), they also got a lot higher pay than active-duty soldiers. There was also, if memory serves, one strike or threatened strike.

What did World War II factory workers get? If you lost an eye welding a Liberty Ship, should some guy who sat around watching snow get something more than you? (And yes, I'm fully aware of the combat history of Alaska--Attu and Kiska was a Navy/Army affair, not an ATG affair. Dutch Harbor was bombed once during the Midway campaingn, and that was about it.)

Seems to me these guys were the Civil Air Patrol of the North, and that's what they should get--which probably isn't going to amount to a lot. My initial conclusion is thus that this is standard political correctness at play--seems to me these ATG guys were good citizens, but they are not "Code Talkers Redux", and so my going-in position is that other citizens not of a trendy ethnicity would have been told to pound sand--but in favor of the ATG guys, I'm sure they were told to "pound sand" a few times in their lives, based on that same ethnicity. Nevertheless...nothing to see here, move along. If the State of Alaska wishes to spend money this way, I'm not sure I would object. For it to come out of the Army budget is obscene.

Because it's a lot more than a lot of vets today will ever get if they don't do the full twenty.
 

Posted by: Horatius at September 28, 2009 12:06 PM (V/92I)

77 "This is a show of "strength", in a demented way. If we on the right complain, it gives ammuntion to the leftists so they can say "Look how petty conservatives are!"It'll backfire.  What's more petty that going after the pensions of a handful of Alaskan Natives who defended US territory in WWII?"

What hurts the administration more is that we can tie to cost similiar to what they just gave Al Gore to create luxury cars.  Its doesn't have to even sound petty.  Just ask the question about why Obama gave the money of people that fought for our safety and freedom to a political friend who wants to sell luxury cars. 

Strength gone and he is on the defensive.  Then the Republicans can keep adding this into bills like the ACORN de-funding and eventually get it approved and catch the Dems not reading the bills again.

Posted by: Just Another Poster at September 28, 2009 12:06 PM (HAdov)

78

Pensions for a bunch of old guys in Palin-land? For being part of the Amerikkka's mass murdering military????

C'mon, its not like they did anything worthwhile- they weren't community organizers!

Posted by: Bill Ayers writing as Barack at September 28, 2009 12:06 PM (tY75t)

79 $6000 seems a bit too much for pension.

$3000 seems more reasonable
.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at September 28, 2009 12:02 PM (VDj74)

Your attempt at being a contrarian is as weak as your attempt at faking intelligence.

Posted by: liberal rules for conservatives at September 28, 2009 12:07 PM (m2CN7)

80 the White House said Friday it didn't think it was "appropriate to establish a precedent of treating service performed by a state employee as active duty for purposes of the computation of retired pay."

Why don't you at the least mention exactly what the issue is about?

Mislead, obfuscate, and throw in a couple of lies. And bingo, you've got the teabaggers pissed. Even though they have no idea what the issue is even about.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:07 PM (4dCEv)

81 Don't you guys agree the money would be better spent on a Bill Ayers Memorial Library?

No?


RAAACISTS!

Posted by: Barak Insane Obama at September 28, 2009 12:08 PM (QECjC)

82 TB for dishonest whiny bitchiness.

Posted by: palin steele (the only child prostitution defender on AoSHQ) at September 28, 2009 12:09 PM (VDj74)

83 80 the White House said Friday it didn't think it was "appropriate to establish a precedent of treating service performed by a state employee as active duty for purposes of the computation of retired pay."

What state were these men employees of during World War II?

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 12:10 PM (f0O9k)

84 Pension for auto workers, now those are untouchable.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 28, 2009 12:12 PM (eNxMU)

85 Posted by: palin steele (the only child prostitution defender on AoSHQ)

It's outrageous that this site's administrator would recklessly change this poster's nic in this way.

It's a slap in the face to Honest Cloud and Walter Winchell, who most certainly are also defenders of child prostitution on AoSHQ.

Please, let's not let our desire to score cheap but hysterically funny points at a troll's expense cause us to misstate the facts.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 12:13 PM (f0O9k)

86 good to see conservatives still champion freedom of speech

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Posted by: palin steele (the only child prostitution defender on AoSHQ) at September 28, 2009 12:14 PM (VDj74)

87 What state were these men employees of during World War II?

Posted by: stuiec

They weren't employees of any state. Alaska was not a state at the time.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:14 PM (4dCEv)

88 Mislead, obfuscate, and throw in a couple of lies. And bingo, you've got the teabaggers pissed. Even though they have no idea what the issue is even about.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:07 PM (4dCEv)

more projection.  Don't you have a child rapist to defend?  What are you doing on this thread?  

Posted by: liberal rules for conservatives at September 28, 2009 12:14 PM (m2CN7)

89

Plenty of fertile ground here to park an SUV...it's likely that some of the Americans are original to the area...Eskimo's..they are probably not African American, but a protected group non the less.

 

You need the Eskimos to start throwing fits and then it will get interesting..

and the whole Alaska wasn't a state during WW2 , must not have been on the reading list at Columbia or Harvard.

 

 

Posted by: ford at September 28, 2009 12:16 PM (Ki7fm)

90 Alaskan dudes, just go down to ACORN and get the pamphlets on how to import child prostitutes. You'll easy make $600/month!

(Note to self: another 26 jobs created, not counting each child. And a tip of the hat to Roman Polanski)

Posted by: t-bird at September 28, 2009 12:16 PM (FcR7P)

91 good to see conservatives still champion freedom of speech

Oh, my.  Not a fast learner, are you?

Posted by: Slublog at September 28, 2009 12:16 PM (qjKko)

92

What state were these men employees of during World War II?

Not misleading or a lie, just one of the left's million innocent mistakes.

Posted by: liberal rules for conservatives at September 28, 2009 12:17 PM (m2CN7)

93 Alaska was purchased from the Russians in 1867, and was an organized territory of the US in 1012.

Posted by: rawmuse at September 28, 2009 12:17 PM (d/IHZ)

94 @91

What do you mean?

Posted by: palin steele (the only child prostitution defender on AoSHQ) at September 28, 2009 12:18 PM (VDj74)

95 ...and when I say "Mislead, obfuscate, and throw in a couple of lies." I mean talk about hings that don't fit my world view - thus they are all LIES.

Lies. LIES. LIES, I SAY!

(fingers in ears)

Neener-neener-neener.

Posted by: whorest clod at September 28, 2009 12:18 PM (/I8iO)

96 Excuse me, 1912, not 1012.

Posted by: rawmuse at September 28, 2009 12:18 PM (d/IHZ)

97 What do you mean?

Oh, think really hard.  I'm sure you'll figure it out.  Eventually.

Posted by: Slublog at September 28, 2009 12:19 PM (qjKko)

98 meanwhile California has a retired SEIU government employee that draws $500,000 a year pension all by himself.

Posted by: Pallin Ayers at September 28, 2009 12:19 PM (k7SeR)

99 The 26 men have enough other military service to reach the 20-year minimum for retirement pay but would see it decreased if their Territorial Guard service doesn't count.

Hey, what do you know. Disregard my other post. If these guys served elsewhere after/before the war, then, yes, this is obscene in the opposite direction, and the Army just needs to fork over the money--unless it can be shown that the ATG was not really a military organization, but more of a neighborhood watch/civil defense warden (these existed during the war). If it was essentially military in nature (i.e., members subject to military law and discipline during the war), they should get the pension. If it was like the Civil Air Patrol, then the preexisting rules for WWII members of that organization should be used for purposes of retirement pay. 

Posted by: Horatius at September 28, 2009 12:19 PM (V/92I)

100 @99

I doubt slublog researched into the matter before deciding it was a worthwhile piece of red meat to fling to the denizens of AoS.

Posted by: palin steele (the only child prostitution defender on AoSHQ) at September 28, 2009 12:22 PM (VDj74)

101 This case may have legal similarities to WW2 Filipino vets who are suing the gov for benefits, or not. I make no claim to being an expert on the matter.

Posted by: rawmuse at September 28, 2009 12:22 PM (d/IHZ)

102

Who knew BHO was busy counting pennies on his way to Denmark to shill for his friends in Chicago ,on our dime.

 

The carbon footprint of BHO is enormous, and he lectures us on the environment.

 

 

Posted by: ford at September 28, 2009 12:23 PM (Ki7fm)

103 Any chance he picked these 26 'cause they're from Alaska?  Perhaps a petty slap to Palin?  This guy's all about petty.

Posted by: katya at September 28, 2009 12:25 PM (ymppx)

104 He cuts the number of GBI bases and interceptors based out of Ft. Greeley. as North Korea and Iran continue missile tests, he cuts the F-22, which is the leading fighter at places like Elmendorf . He insults those who were actually underfire in the Continental United States, during the war.

Posted by: ian cormac at September 28, 2009 12:26 PM (1kwr2)

105 @103

You must be a really paranoid person. And this wouldn't be a b1tchslap to Palin because Palin could give 2 shits about Alaskans...as demonstrated by her quitting her job at the slightest moment of challenge.

Posted by: palin steele (the only child prostitution defender on AoSHQ) at September 28, 2009 12:27 PM (VDj74)

106 I doubt slublog researched into the matter before deciding it was a worthwhile piece of red meat to fling to the denizens of AoS.

Yes, and I'm sure two US Senators (a Republican and a Democrat) are just wasting their time trying to restore funding to the 26 whose pensions will be affected.

Once again, your auto-contrarian instincts lead you astray.

Posted by: Slublog at September 28, 2009 12:27 PM (qjKko)

107 I doubt slublog researched into the matter before deciding it was a worthwhile piece of red meat to fling to the denizens of AoS.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ)

No question about it.

That is exactly their business model. And I have seen countless others do the same damn thing. . Have one lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist hit the jackpot and the copycats flood the market.

It's the American way.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:29 PM (4dCEv)

108 105 @103

You must be a really paranoid person. And this wouldn't be a b1tchslap to Palin because Palin could give 2 shits about Alaskans...as demonstrated by her quitting her job at the slightest moment of challenge.

So you're saying that Sarah Palin was an effective leader for Alaska who should have stayed on to use her talents, skills and political savvy to keep the state making progress?

Wow, who would have pegged you for a fan of Sarah Palin?

I just hope her stepping down from the Alaska governorship means she'll be available to bring her formidable capabilities to Washington.  The place needs some adult supervision.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 12:34 PM (f0O9k)

109 107

That is exactly their business model. And I have seen countless others do the same damn thing. . Have one lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist hit the jackpot and the copycats flood the market.

That's the amazing power of the truth.  People recognize it even from the lips of a lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 12:36 PM (f0O9k)

110 Death Panel

Posted by: jp at September 28, 2009 12:36 PM (DFDtC)

111

You must be a really paranoid person.

Like Obama hasn't given anyone who opposes him any reason to feel "paranoid"?  Such as a media campaign to present law-abiding American citizens who exercise their constitutional right to free assembly and protest as "dangerous" and "terrorists"? 

Posted by: katya at September 28, 2009 12:38 PM (ymppx)

112 ...and when I say "And I have seen countless others do the same damn thing. . Have one lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist hit the jackpot..."

I mean, I lookin' in the mirror here. Mmmm mmmm mmmm.

Posted by: whorest clod at September 28, 2009 12:39 PM (/I8iO)

113 You must be a really paranoid person. And this wouldn't be a b1tchslap to Palin because Palin could give 2 shits about Alaskans...as demonstrated by her quitting her job at the slightest moment of challenge.

So you're saying that Sarah Palin was an effective leader for Alaska who should have stayed on to use her talents, skills and political savvy to keep the state making progress?

Wow, who would have pegged you for a fan of Sarah Palin?

Posted by: stuiec

How in the fuck could anyone draw that conclusion? What planet are you from?

And please, please pick Palin as the GOP nominee. Please do.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:39 PM (4dCEv)

114 6
He's probably doing this to claim that he's going to save money for the country, yet short-changing people who served the country will cost him more politically than he gains by doing so.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 28, 2009 11:18 AM (olNam)

It can only cost him politically if the MSM gives it any coverage---which they won't.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2009 12:39 PM (oDAgf)

115

Which one of you two (PS or HC) is going to address the gaping hole in your argument (such as it is and can be discerned from your comments here): Alaska was not a state during WWII, and thus the White House argument that "state employee" service time shouldn't count towards computations of pension is a complete non sequitor.

Leaving aside the fact that the optics on this absolutely suck for this White House.

Posted by: Fred at September 28, 2009 12:39 PM (gVdZN)

116 87What state were these men employees of during World War II?

Posted by: stuiec

They weren't employees of any state. Alaska was not a state at the time.

Oh, thanks for clearing that up.  So then the following has absolutely no bearing on the case of these men:

the White House said Friday it didn't think it was "appropriate to establish a precedent of treating service performed by a state employee as active duty for purposes of the computation of retired pay."

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 12:41 PM (f0O9k)

117 Another WTF???? moment presented to you by the Obama administration.

Posted by: SueM at September 28, 2009 12:42 PM (O0ThZ)

118

113

Further proof that the mere mention of Sarah Palin brings out the spazz in liberals.

Posted by: katya at September 28, 2009 12:42 PM (ymppx)

119

The cost of Obama's little promotional junket to Copenhagen could take care of these Alaska guardsmen's pensions twice over.  And while I'm at it, knock off  eating those $100.00 Japanese steaks, Mr. Socialist Austerity. 

Posted by: Send the Olympics anywhere but Chicago at September 28, 2009 12:43 PM (2Y+xz)

120 Dum dum, dishonest cloud, and gaping hole in the same sentence...



Eurrrrgghhhhhh. Too early for that mental picture.

Posted by: whorest clod at September 28, 2009 12:43 PM (/I8iO)

121 20
How well is this going to go down with the 'Cuda?  These are from her turf, right?  Nice one.

Posted by: Mouse at September 28, 2009 11:27 AM (5cUJG)

We are in the middle of a cosmic struggle between good and evil. Sarah is the standard bearer for our side---and the standard bearer for the other side KNOWS that in his gut. I bet it REALLY galls him that, after all he and his goons have thrown at her, she's still standing.

Read your Bibles, folks. I'm thinking Esther. Deborah. Susannah. JUDITH.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2009 12:44 PM (oDAgf)

122 That is exactly their business model. And I have seen countless others do the same damn thing. . Have one lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist hit the jackpot and the copycats flood the market.

That's the amazing power of the truth.  People recognize it even from the lips of a lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist.

Posted by: stuiec

Yep, that's the power of the truth all right. You got about about 10% of Americans, the least educated, poor redneck racist hillbilly trash supporting you.

By all means go for it. And move further to the right. Everyone knows that's why you were slaughtered in the past 2 elections, by not being wingnut enough.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:45 PM (4dCEv)

123 one lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist hit the jackpot and the copycats flood the market.

It's the American way.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:29 PM (4dCEv)

Clod that's a nice description of you.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2009 12:45 PM (1Jaio)

124

Everybody's building the big ships and the boats. Some are building monuments; others, jotting down notes. Everybody's in despair -- every girl and boy. But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here, everybody's gonna jump for joy.

You have been warned.


 

Posted by: Nanook of the North at September 28, 2009 12:45 PM (+Fcaz)

125 Oh, and re the exorbitantly-priced yuppie eats:  that goes double for FLOTUS blossom.

Posted by: Send the Olympics anywhere but Chicago at September 28, 2009 12:45 PM (2Y+xz)

126 What do you mean?

Posted by: palin steele (the only child prostitution defender on AoSHQ) at September 28, 2009 12:18 PM (VDj74)

How's the job search going? Any more job fairs you plan on not attending?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2009 12:46 PM (1Jaio)

127 119

The cost of Obama's little promotional junket to Copenhagen could take care of these Alaska guardsmen's pensions twice over.  And while I'm at it, knock off  eating those $100.00 Japanese steaks, Mr. Socialist Austerity.

You Wingnuts pick on the lightest and most picayune details about Obama -- where were you when Boosh was eating hamburgers and hotdogs in the White House, huh?  WHERE...WERE...YOU!!!

Posted by: Honest Cloud at September 28, 2009 12:47 PM (DrB2V)

128

I gotta go.  Some of us work for a living. 

Posted by: katya at September 28, 2009 12:47 PM (ymppx)

129 122 That is exactly their business model. And I have seen countless others do the same damn thing. . Have one lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist hit the jackpot and the copycats flood the market.

That's the amazing power of the truth.  People recognize it even from the lips of a lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist.

Posted by: stuiec

Yep, that's the power of the truth all right. You got about about 10% of Americans, the least educated, poor redneck racist hillbilly trash supporting you.

By all means go for it. And move further to the right. Everyone knows that's why you were slaughtered in the past 2 elections, by not being wingnut enough.

Besides Wingnuts -- YOU LOST!!!...GET OVER IT!!!

Posted by: Honest Cloud at September 28, 2009 12:48 PM (DrB2V)

130 By all means go for it. And move further to the right. Everyone knows that's why you were slaughtered in the past 2 elections, by not being wingnut enough.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:45 PM (4dCEv)

Pathetic Milton sitting in Storage Area B with lights out mumbling to himself about his red stapler.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2009 12:48 PM (1Jaio)

131 Oh, thanks for clearing that up.  So then the following has absolutely no bearing on the case of these men:

the White House said Friday it didn't think it was "appropriate to establish a precedent of treating service performed by a state employee as active duty for purposes of the computation of retired pay."

Posted by: stuiec

I have no idea and neither do you. But it sure seems to me that they are being treated as if they were employees of a state. You're majoring in the minors.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:48 PM (4dCEv)

132 128

I gotta go.  Some of us work for a living. 

HA HA HA...WORK?!!!  I have 100's of accountant drones who work FOR me!  Yeah get to work...SUCKERS!!!

Posted by: Honest Cloud at September 28, 2009 12:49 PM (DrB2V)

133 113You must be a really paranoid person. And this wouldn't be a b1tchslap to Palin because Palin could give 2 shits about Alaskans...as demonstrated by her quitting her job at the slightest moment of challenge.

So you're saying that Sarah Palin was an effective leader for Alaska who should have stayed on to use her talents, skills and political savvy to keep the state making progress?

Wow, who would have pegged you for a fan of Sarah Palin?

Posted by: stuiec

How in the fuck could anyone draw that conclusion? What planet are you from?

And please, please pick Palin as the GOP nominee. Please do.

I know the concept of logic is foreign to you.

"Palin could give 2 shits about Alaskans...as demonstrated by her quitting her job at the slightest moment of challenge."

From that statement, it follows that Palin would express caring about Alaskans by keeping on the job and doing what she'd been doing for Alaskans: excellent work of administering the state government and reforming the state's politics.

Because if she were doing her job poorly, then quitting to make way for someone better would be the expression of caring for Alaskans. But that's not what the fanboy's statement said.

And in the wake of Barack Obama's first term, anybody the GOP runs against him will win.  The country should only be so lucky for it to be Sarah Palin.

Nice to know she'll get your vote.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 12:50 PM (f0O9k)

134 Since Honest Cloud has time to address other arguments, and hasn't a word to say about the "state employee" argument, I'm going to take my point as conceded; and simply move on.

Posted by: Fred at September 28, 2009 12:50 PM (gVdZN)

135 I have no idea

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:48 PM (4dCEv)

About anything and you prove it with every post you make.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2009 12:50 PM (1Jaio)

136 That wuss in the White House is STILL punishing Alaska---and she isn't even the governor any more! She must REALLY be under his skin.

OR...... It could be much simpler. He just frickin' HATES the U.S. military--doesn't matter what state the men are from, or what their ethnicity is, they're MILITARY, damn it, ergo, they are evil and must be dumped out like trash at the side of the road.

Everything Barack Obama does or doesn't do actually makes sense if you understand what drives him---a consuming hatred for the United States of America. Those who are willing to KILL in her defense are particularly odious to him.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at September 28, 2009 12:51 PM (oDAgf)

137

"the least educated, poor redneck racist hillbilly trash"

oh, the irony.

If the pensioners lived another 25 years (doubtful, considering they're in their 80s), it'd cost the government $4.3M to continue their pensions until death.

That's equal to 77 hours of flight time on Air Force One.

Posted by: MDH3 at September 28, 2009 12:52 PM (4u+LN)

138

Whoops.  I see Honest Cloud responded. By waving his hand at the issue and attempting to dismiss it as requiring special knowledge that he alleges no one, including himself possesses.  Being a "state employee" would appear to require a "state", no?  I don't see how that is a difficult issue to grasp.

Posted by: Fred at September 28, 2009 12:53 PM (gVdZN)

139 Besides, why defend such a politicly tone-deaf decision in the first place, unless you're here just to bait the redneck right wing boobosphere?

Posted by: Fred at September 28, 2009 12:54 PM (gVdZN)

140 131Oh, thanks for clearing that up. So then the following has absolutely no bearing on the case of these men:

the White House said Friday it didn't think it was "appropriate to establish a precedent of treating service performed by a state employee as active duty for purposes of the computation of retired pay."

Posted by: stuiec

I have no idea and neither do you. But it sure seems to me that they are being treated as if they were employees of a state. You're majoring in the minors.

The difference, of course, is that I didn't wade into this discussion waving around the White House statement about state employees as "exactly what the issue is about."

The sage was right: you opened your mouth and removed all doubt. May I commend to you Proverbs 17:28?

28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise:
and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 12:56 PM (f0O9k)

141 Since Honest Cloud has time to address other arguments, and hasn't a word to say about the "state employee" argument, I'm going to take my point as conceded; and simply move on.

Posted by: Fred

Just what is the state employees argument? That since they weren't employed by any state that they are not allowed to count their service towards retirement?

Contradictory to your entire argument. Are you too fucking ignorant to see that?

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 12:58 PM (4dCEv)

142

Jimmy Carter has to be happy that Obama is going to take him out of the Worst President Ever slot.

Looks like big ass Michelle has grabbed the little twink by the ears and is taking him to Copenhagen to lobby for the Olympics. Afghanistan, the economy and Iran be damned.

Posted by: robtr at September 28, 2009 01:00 PM (H60q6)

143 Being a "state employee" would appear to require a "state", no?

Posted by: Fred

No is right. It certainly appears that their service is being counted as time they were employees of the state.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

And if I am wrong this entire affair can be put to rest. Since they weren't employees of a state they cannot count that time for retirement qualifications.

Can't you dumbfucks see that you're arguing against your own position?

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 01:02 PM (4dCEv)

144

No, the argument that you appeared to present was that, since they were state employees during their service during WWII, that time should not count towards a federal military pension.  I, and others here, asked, "what state were they employees of during their service in Alaska during WWII".

To which you respond with silence, or in the alternative, a demand that I disprove my "fucking ignorance".  Neither is convincing.

Perhaps I've misapprehended your "argument", in which case, please set me straight.

Posted by: Fred at September 28, 2009 01:03 PM (gVdZN)

145 122 That is exactly their business model. And I have seen countless others do the same damn thing. . Have one lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist hit the jackpot and the copycats flood the market.

That's the amazing power of the truth.  People recognize it even from the lips of a lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist.

Posted by: stuiec

Yep, that's the power of the truth all right. You got about about 10% of Americans, the least educated, poor redneck racist hillbilly trash supporting you.

And isn't it amazing that they have the brains and the common sense to recognize the truth, when you yourself lack both?  By your own admission, you are dumber than the least educated, poor redneck racist hillbilly trash.

Congratulations!  They say admitting a problem is the first step to overcoming it.

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 01:04 PM (f0O9k)

146

The lowest-paid members of the US Army in 1944 made $3600 per year. That is equal to $43,609 in 2008 dollars. I have contacted my Congresswoman to request that an additional funding bill be introduced, paying every surviving veteran of the Alaska Scouts the sum of $3634 ($43609/12) for each month they served during wartime, regardless of any later military service, that each receive a solid gold medal in the shape of their Unit Citation, and that an oration in their honor be read into the Congressional Record.

As a military appropriation during time of war, the rules of the House allow for this to be introduced directly in floor proceedings, without referral to committee, so there won't be a thing our trolls can do to stop it. They're going to balk on my last recommendation, though: I'd like it designated Honest Cloud's Law.

Please contact your representatives in support of my proposal. And each time A Certain Party comes back to post on this, just drop another postcard in the mail. 

Thank you, and may God bless the United States and the Alaska Territory.

 

Posted by: comatus at September 28, 2009 01:05 PM (+Fcaz)

147 Correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 01:02 PM (4dCEv)

We do all the time but it doesn't stop you from posting more stupid crap. Seriously clod, get a life. Besides being a child molester that is.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 28, 2009 01:05 PM (1Jaio)

148 144

Fred, I'm confused.

Alaska wasn't a state in 1941-1945, but it was part of the United States.

If it didn't have a state government, who was responsible for governing it?

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 01:05 PM (f0O9k)

149 142

Jimmy Carter has to be happy that Obama is going to take him out of the Worst President Ever slot.

Looks like big ass Michelle has grabbed the little twink by the ears and is taking him to Copenhagen to lobby for the Olympics. Afghanistan, the economy and Iran be damned.

What's the carbon footprint of an Air Force One excursion to Copenhagen?

Or have they retrofitted the plane with those new engines that turn cow flatulence into sparkly rainbows?

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 01:08 PM (f0O9k)

150 http://tinyurl.com/ybxecdd Glorious 2016 Olympic Poster Just Released

Posted by: Dr StrangeO at September 28, 2009 01:09 PM (bXhsu)

151

What's the carbon footprint of an Air Force One excursion to Copenhagen?

Or have they retrofitted the plane with those new engines that turn cow flatulence into sparkly rainbows?

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 01:08 PM (f0O9k)

It isn't just AF 1, they also take a couple of C130's to haul his cars and helecopter. Hypocrisy isn't lost on this clown of a President.

Posted by: robtr at September 28, 2009 01:11 PM (H60q6)

152 The Prez is going to Copenhagen?  He was against it, before he was for it.  President ObamaFlop may actually make John Kerry look decisive.

Posted by: MDr at September 28, 2009 01:13 PM (ucq49)

153

I'm no expert, but I believe it was a territory of the United States, governed from Washington DC, with perhaps some form of representative government in place locally. The point is: it wasn't a state, admitted to the Union, which would appear to invalidate the White House argument that these men were in the service of a "state" as that term is understood in this context.

But beyond that?  Why pimp these guys?  Because you fear a precedent?  Make it an exception then.  Like I said: tone deaf.

Posted by: Fred at September 28, 2009 01:19 PM (gVdZN)

154 What a piece of garbage.  But, you know, he supports the troops . . . *gag*

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 28, 2009 01:22 PM (V9QBL)

155

Yup, Obama's like a cancer, invasive, malignant and deadly.  I think cutting the pensions for these 26 veterans is just a pilot study for things to come.  It starts with denying a small group of elderly vets their pensions, will probably expand into loss of medical coverage under the VA, and will continue to spread to larger groups of people who served in our armed forces.  I hate to be so paranoid and I'm really not a "conspiracy theoriest", but the way that Obama hates America (and the military is our absolute backbone), he can't help himself but destroy them too.  Remember, he wants to create a "National Civilian Defense Force".  I see him funding that with the cuts he makes in our military.

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2009 01:25 PM (D2il9)

156

It isn't just AF 1, they also take a couple of C130's to haul his cars and helecopter. Hypocrisy isn't lost on this clown of a President.

They probably need a C130 just for Michelle's wardrobe.  Those floral print sofas take up a lot of space.

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2009 01:27 PM (D2il9)

157

It isn't just AF 1, they also take a couple of C130's to haul his cars and helecopter. Hypocrisy isn't lost on this clown of a President.

They probably need an entire C130 just for Michelle's wardrobe.  Those floral print sofas take up a lot of space.

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2009 01:28 PM (D2il9)

158 The point is: it wasn't a state, admitted to the Union, which would appear to invalidate the White House argument that these men were in the service of a "state" as that term is understood in this context.

But beyond that?  Why pimp these guys?  Because you fear a precedent?  Make it an exception then.  Like I said: tone deaf.

Posted by: Fred

Please Fred.

The White Houses language seems to take for granted that they are being treated as state employees during their service to the territory of Alaska.

And the White House also states that time spent as  a state employee shouldn't count towards military retirement.

If they are not state employees the discussion wouldn't even be taking place.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 01:30 PM (4dCEv)

159 This is Obama's way of scratching his face with his middle finger while looking at veterans.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 28, 2009 01:30 PM (T0NGe)

160 one lardass, drug addicted, thrice divorced, racist, limp dicked sex tourist hit the jackpot and the copycats flood the market.

That's no way to talk about Ted Kennedy. Besides he was only married twice.

Posted by: polynikes at September 28, 2009 01:34 PM (m2CN7)

161

They probably need an entire C130 just for Michelle's wardrobe.  Those floral print sofas take up a lot of space.

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2009 01:28 PM (D2il9)

It takes a C130 just for Michelle's ginormous ass.

Posted by: robtr at September 28, 2009 01:35 PM (H60q6)

162

The White Houses language seems to take for granted that they are being treated as state employees during their service to the territory of Alaska.

Its always a language revision with the left.  Pay no attention to the exact words we say because its obvious we meant something else.  On the other hand, those nasty conservatives may not have used those words but we all know what they meant. Racistsssss!!!! 

Posted by: polynikes at September 28, 2009 01:38 PM (m2CN7)

163

Typical lib mindset such as the ignorant commercial filmed by "celebrities" shilling for Gov run healthcare.  Will Ferrell made $37 Million last year - listed on Forbes at #9.....yet during this 'infomercial' blasts insurance executives for their exhorbitant pay, zoos in their back yard, etc. My husband was an insurance executive for 30 years and he didn't make anywhere near what Ferrell and gang allege.  Most of their pay was based on performance/results in a high stress job- a true anethma to a liberal as is patriotic duty.  Oh, we did have a dog & cat....I guess that was our zoo!

This particular case is unusual for the reasons already stated and the Alaskan 26 deserve every dime.  Pay up toolbags.....

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Cheri at September 28, 2009 01:44 PM (G+Wff)

164 State, territory, whatever. During WW2 they were under federal callup rules and that qualifies them for time served under retirement rules. During WW2 all Guardsmen and Reseverists were active duty. The fact that AK was a territory doesn't change that basic fact. If I'm not mistaken, there was a similar problem with Philipinos who served and later had to fight for their retirement. I believe that was resolved not long ago. And we gave up that country in 1945.

Posted by: Bill R. at September 28, 2009 01:44 PM (EhlQq)

165

Yep, that's the power of the truth all right. You got about about 10% of Americans, the least educated, poor redneck racist hillbilly trash supporting you.

By all means go for it. And move further to the right. Everyone knows that's why you were slaughtered in the past 2 elections, by not being wingnut enough.

I would say that this post makes no sense. But, seeing that it comes from Milton, that would be redundant.

Posted by: China Communist at September 28, 2009 01:51 PM (V9SYy)

166 Dang sockpuppet.

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 28, 2009 01:52 PM (V9SYy)

167 But hey child prostitution enabling,tax evasion,and voter fraud services are worth ohhh $8 billion in taxpayer dollars.*spit*

Posted by: TheTaR(and feather)Czar at September 28, 2009 01:57 PM (3/GXy)

168

Anyone who defends the Obaminites on this score is a despicable shit, not worthy of polite conversation from anyone.

Posted by: Vic at September 28, 2009 02:00 PM (CDUiN)

169

The White Houses language seems to take for granted that they are being treated as state employees during their service to the territory of Alaska.

Its always a language revision with the left.  Pay no attention to the exact words we say because its obvious we meant something else.  On the other hand, those nasty conservatives may not have used those words but we all know what they meant. Racistsssss!!!! 

Posted by: polynikes

Just what are you trying to say? The guardsmen were not state employees? Is that it?

Or that they were state employees?

It's obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that they were state employees even though Alaska wasn't a state.

You are a stupid stupid man.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 02:01 PM (4dCEv)

170

The guardsmen were not state employees? Is that it?

Or that they were state employees?

It's obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that they were state employees even though Alaska wasn't a state.

Posted by: honest cloud at September 28, 2009 02:01 PM (4dCEv)

From 1942-45, they would be considered federal employees. That would negate any arguement about whether Alaska was a state.

Posted by: Bill R. at September 28, 2009 02:07 PM (EhlQq)

171

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He wasn't much of a student. Well, except for cussing, he could cuss with the best of him. He grew up with a lot of resentment, I think because he wasn't too successful with the ladies.

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Posted by: Milton's Mom at September 28, 2009 02:10 PM (V9SYy)

172 With comment #169, our "friend" hc has proved himself to be an idiot beyond comparison. Any conversation with someone this weapons grade stupid is in vain.

Posted by: Financejoe at September 28, 2009 02:15 PM (FVRjR)

173

It's obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that they were state employees even though Alaska wasn't a state.

?

wow, the illogic of that staement is going to leave a mark.

Posted by: todler at September 28, 2009 02:17 PM (fPOY0)

174

It's obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that they were state employees even though Alaska wasn't a state.

heh classic. 


 

Posted by: polynikes at September 28, 2009 02:23 PM (m2CN7)

175 Sorry about the double post, there's something hinky going on when I try to post.

Posted by: runningrn at September 28, 2009 02:24 PM (D2il9)

176

hc

please suck a fart from a dead donkeys ass

that is all

thank you

Posted by: merkin at September 28, 2009 02:27 PM (z+72b)

177

It's obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that they were state employees even though Alaska wasn't a state.

WTF? 

Posted by: State University Logic Professor at September 28, 2009 02:31 PM (V9SYy)

178

Obama was asked today why he flip flopped on his decision, to skip Copenhagen and promoting Chicago's Olympic bid. 

Obama: That's just not true.  I'm going to a Hope n Change 'em conference.

Not realizing the mikes are still on, he comments to Michelle, " those chicken ***kin' racists would shit, if they found out I was actually going to a Choke & Hang 'em meeting.

Posted by: MDr at September 28, 2009 02:36 PM (ucq49)

179 It's obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that they were state employees even though Alaska wasn't a state.

Ahhh. I see. He's getting all geeky and shit. The classic problem of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics applied to everyday Army boys. Schrodinger's Alaskans may exist as a live or dead state in a box, and must be paid either in hydrocyanic acid or cold cash by the government.

Wow, you's da geenius, clod.

Posted by: Flooby Floo at September 28, 2009 02:39 PM (/I8iO)

180 Lord, if it be your will, let this cup pass from us.

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Posted by: Cathy at September 28, 2009 03:05 PM (IT5fK)

181 Palin and the Military..

It's a twofer that Barack can crap on..

When our favorite Alaskan gets wind of this, she's going to make Obama look like the shitstain he is, while standing up for our military, veterans, seniors, and gaining respect from the general public.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at September 28, 2009 03:09 PM (Qt4Y7)

182

"The lowest-paid members of the US Army in 1944 made $3600 per year. " 

I'd like to see a source for that, because I made a whopping $128.50 a month in 1977.  When did the military take a pay cut?

Posted by: MarkD at September 28, 2009 03:10 PM (MMy4A)

183 Oops, 1971, not 1977.  That evil Nixon dude tripled our pay, which booste me to almost $400 as an E-3...

Posted by: MarkD at September 28, 2009 03:12 PM (MMy4A)

184 Please Fred.

The White Houses language seems to take for granted that they are being treated as state employees during their service to the territory of Alaska.

And the White House also states that time spent as  a state employee shouldn't count towards military retirement.

If they are not state employees the discussion wouldn't even be taking place.

It is your argument, then, that even though there was no "State of Alaska" in 1941-1945, the Obama Administration can decide, in 2009, that service in a territorial guard unit is the same as "state" service?

And if they say it, or "take for granted" that it is so, it must be so?

Powerful indeed is Teh Won. Powerful indeed.

Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at September 28, 2009 03:20 PM (V0QP1)

185 Weren't these Territorial Guardsmen Eskimo?

RAAAAACIST!

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 28, 2009 03:25 PM (f8UjO)

186 I guess I wouldn't mind so much if Obama also object to the inclusion of $20 million or so for a Ted Kennedy monument in (I think) the same bill.

He already has a monument. Every time you hear "Press 1 for English, Press 2 for Spanish", think of Ted Kennedy and the 1965 Immigration Reform Act.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at September 28, 2009 03:26 PM (Qt4Y7)

187 $600 a month, 12 months a year: $7200 a year. 26 recipients: $187,200 a year.

How much does it cost each time Il Douche and the Wookie take Air Force One out on a "date night"?

Posted by: obama is a traitor at September 28, 2009 03:38 PM (Qt4Y7)

188

Picture photo op...

Palin standing with the Eskimo's that BHO has cut off from their pension..maybe her mother in law and her husband who is half Eskimo(Inuit) will be able to make it.

 

 

yep, it will be good.

Posted by: ford at September 28, 2009 03:42 PM (Ki7fm)

189

So who says he's a typical tax and spend liberal? The man has his eye on the bottom line, that's all.

/sarc, need I say

Posted by: RM at September 28, 2009 03:45 PM (1kwr2)

190

"600 a month, 12 months a year: $7200 a year. 26 recipients: $187,200 a year."

Present value of this if all of these guardsmen live for another ten years: less than a lousy $1.4M. Speechless.


Posted by: RM at September 28, 2009 03:49 PM (1kwr2)

191

HC prattles:  "racist redneck hillbilly trash" "jackass" "least educated" "wingnuts".

Come up with some original insults, you boring buffoon!  Gads, you're tiresome and dull.

And this: "majoring in the minors."  Re: Polanski and ACORN and your defense of them--why, isn't majoring in the minors what you are doing, Mr. Lackwit?

Posted by: ushie at September 28, 2009 03:50 PM (1kwr2)

192 I read recently that the new estimate for the true cost of the presidents date night to NYC was closer to $1,000,000. Think about that for a moment in this context.

Posted by: exceller at September 28, 2009 05:09 PM (jx2Td)

193 Has anyone ever considered what kind of accountant our friend must be?

It's obvious to even the dimmest of bulbs that they were state employees even though Alaska wasn't a state.

Who would want this guy to represent them in an IRS audit?

Posted by: stuiec at September 28, 2009 06:00 PM (f0O9k)

194

Eyes:  "Barack Obama, Pension Cutter."

Brain:  This is related to the military, isn't it?

 

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Posted by: jason at September 28, 2009 09:36 PM (bjyab)

196 The president is willing to spend billions taking over the healthcare system  but can't spare a few bucks to pay 26 elderly guardsmen an average of $600 a month for the rest of their lives?

The "waste" that Obie wants to trim in order to pay for his healthcare government power grab is not what you thought it it might be....

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 28, 2009 09:57 PM (jV9DU)

197

The Obama Doctrine explains all

 

 

Embolden Our Enemies.

Betray Our Allies.

Diminish the Country.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at September 29, 2009 01:40 PM (NVdGX)

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