Obama Is Rewriting (Recent) History On Afghanistan

I'm not as sanguine that more troops means victory is possible in Afghanistan as some are but I think it's important we all deal with the same set of facts.

When it comes to the recent dust up over General McChrystal's request for more troops, Obama is being disingenuous. Some, myself included, might even go so far as to say he's lying.

On his tour of the Sunday shows the President says he won't commit to more troops until there's a strategy in place.

"The only thing I've said to my folks is, 'A, I want an unvarnished assessment, but, B, I don't want to put the resource question before the strategy question,'" Obama said. "Because there is a natural inclination to say, 'If I get more, then I can do more.'"

(emphasis mine)

Here's the thing, Obama supposedly answered the strategy question back in March

According to Secretary of Defense Gates, Gen. McChrystal's appointment was the direct result of that new strategy.

“I believe that our mission [in Afghanistan] requires new thinking and new approaches from our military leaders,” Gates told reporters. “Today, we have a new policy set by our new president. We have a new strategy, a new mission and a new ambassador. I believe that new military leadership is needed.”

Now Obama and his minions seem to be saying there's some sort of review of the strategy due after the Afghan elections. Funny but Obama said nothing about that when he introduced his new strategy back in the spring.

Even if he always meant to do that, it's silly.

Look at the time line. He announces his strategy in March, there's a new military commander named to carry out that strategy in May (though he didn't even get on station until mid June). So Obama is saying he did this top down rethink of a seven year old war and he's giving that strategy essentially 3 months to play out before he considers abandoning it? 6 months if you start from the day it was announced, not when the new military commander took over.

That's simply ridiculous on its face.

McChrystal's report (pdf) was about how to implement and resource the new strategy, not whether or not is was working.

For Obama to pretend he's not holding back on resourcing the effort is simply a lie.

(Credit where it's due...I heard some of this mentioned before but I couldn't remember where. This Corner entry reminds me it was Charles Krauthammer on FNC last night who started the ball rolling in my mind).

Posted by: DrewM. at 03:58 PM

Comments

1
Obama lies?

Posted by: Dang Straights - Big Foot Lackey at September 22, 2009 03:59 PM (Haq+B)

2 There's not much to re-write seeing how history started on Jan 20th of this year.

Posted by: Dave C at September 22, 2009 04:01 PM (La0Tt)

3 I sure see that word "lie" alot when it comes to Obama.

Posted by: Bosk at September 22, 2009 04:02 PM (pUO5u)

4 What an idiot. The extra resources are part of the strategy, Odumbass, you stupid empty suit.

It's almost as if the guy's never held a job with actual responsibilities before in his life.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 22, 2009 04:02 PM (z35hQ)

5 Can we please get Hillary in on this action as well? I mean, just to put to bed the misconception that she's more macho and hawkish than Obama, or that she's got the balls to stand up to him on this clusterf*ck of a policy review?

Clinton rebuffs general's warning on Afghanistan

NEW YORK (AFP) – US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pushed back against the US military's blunt warning that the battle against insurgents in Afghanistan would likely be lost within a year without more US troops.

Clinton's comments in an interview with PBS television late Monday came amid reports that the Pentagon has asked General Stanley McChrystal, the top commander in Afghanistan, to delay a request for more troops.

Clinton expressed "respect" for McChrystal's assessment that the United States would likely lose the war in Afghanistan within a year without more US forces.

"But I can only tell you there are other assessments from very expert military analysts who have worked in counter-insurgencies that are the exact opposite," she said.

Her remarks were the latest sign of stiffening resistance within President Barack Obama's administration to a major escalation in the US commitment in Afghanistan, and a growing rift over the issue between civilian leaders and the military.

Posted by: stuiec at September 22, 2009 04:03 PM (f0O9k)

6 The war formerly known as the war of necessity.

Posted by: Ronnie at September 22, 2009 04:04 PM (rEgtL)

7 They dont know what to do. There was no plan beyond getting elected. Once you understand that, it all makes sense.

Posted by: Hammer at September 22, 2009 04:04 PM (5MUhk)

8 How's this for a strategy?

Kill the terrorist savages and hoist a brew in a mullah-free world.

Of course, I denounce myself.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 22, 2009 04:05 PM (btril)

9 - Oh, Af - ghan'-istan ... well that's something entirely different.

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 22, 2009 04:05 PM (ruzrP)

10 The only thing I've said to my folks

"The President's weapons"..."my folks"......WTF???
When did the entire executive branch become his personal friggin possession anyway? I guess he'll use his Weather Service to change the weather next.
Guy thinks he's Julius and he's really Nero.

Posted by: Rocks at September 22, 2009 04:05 PM (Q1lie)

11 # 7, correct. They have absolutely no idea what to do. They are simply avoiding the question because they don't know what to do.

Posted by: Bluejade at September 22, 2009 04:06 PM (DjMXQ)

12 It comes down to resources. Can I lose this war even if I add troops? I'm not convinced and I can't take the chance of a humiliating US victory.

Posted by: Lord Admiral Kenyatta Obama at September 22, 2009 04:07 PM (FcR7P)

13 They dont know what to do. There was no plan beyond getting elected. Once you understand that, it all makes sense.

The election was the sole goal. There's no need for a plan. It's like asking a baby what his plan is after getting fed.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at September 22, 2009 04:07 PM (TXp3z)

14 Obama isn't even paying attention to this war. He doesn't have time to pay attention to anything with his daily speeches and travel.

Posted by: robtr at September 22, 2009 04:07 PM (H60q6)

As a brother to someone who has served this country for nearly 20 years, I would like to say a big, hearty "FUCK YOU" to Obama.

His mindset of wars and how to fight them ( or more appropriately, how to lose said wars), and that of his lefty cohorts will get good people killed - people who are a hell of a lot better people then Obama or his hired goons.

Posted by: Crowsting at September 22, 2009 04:07 PM (61BD9)

16 George Soros hasn't told him what to do yet.

Posted by: paranoid polly at September 22, 2009 04:09 PM (r7Vc3)

17 Can we just have a post "Lie of the Day"

Posted by: wHodat at September 22, 2009 04:11 PM (+sBB4)

18 Obama is waiting on them to include potential aspirin factory targets before he approves. He's has a pocketful of numbers from ass grabbers to go through you know. Michelle has another European trip scheduled.

Posted by: Rocks at September 22, 2009 04:11 PM (Q1lie)

The self serving, power starved, mercenary Gates is no solver of problems in this case either.

I said it before and I'll repeat it here - Gates is America's Putin.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 22, 2009 04:12 PM (RkRxq)

20 If he isn't going to fight then bring the troops home. Obama has blood on his hands. Obama lied, people died....

Posted by: schneedoo at September 22, 2009 04:12 PM (KNCWm)

21 16 George Soros hasn't told him what to do yet.

I am sick of this kind of delusional bullsh*t.

Of course Soros has already told him what to do. He just hasn't told him how to get the American people to swallow it.

Posted by: stuiec at September 22, 2009 04:12 PM (f0O9k)

22 there's that smell again!

Posted by: Maddow's middle finger at September 22, 2009 04:12 PM (1B81L)

23 I lie all the f#cking time. The word "surrender" actually means "super happy fun time".

Posted by: Merriam-Webster at September 22, 2009 04:13 PM (SqAkN)

24
"But I can only tell you there are other assessments from very expert military analysts who have worked in counter-insurgencies that are the exact opposite"

With that comment, Hillary should convince Obama to find a General Grade Officer who agrees with the assessment and replace General McChrystal. It's just that simple. Find a real team player, and combined with Hillary's long standing history of military decision making, it will be a simple matter to secure victory.

Let me see if recall some similar nonsense from past history. Well yes, it was another liberal named LBJ who had the timidity to suggest he was more qualified to select targets over Hanoi than the Air Force target assessment teams. Yea, that really worked out well.

Posted by: Fish at September 22, 2009 04:13 PM (FnA4R)

I don't want to put the resource question before the strategy question,'" Obama said. "Because there is a natural inclination to say, 'If I get more, then I can do more.'"

How come this doesn't apply to stimulus packgages and health care reform?

He's perfectly happy to throw resources (our money/borrowed money) at everything else before putting together a plan and allowing a reasonable time for debate.

They're shoving through bills no one has read, and suddenly he claims he wants to be more deliberative and cautious with resources?

You lie.

Posted by: Warden at September 22, 2009 04:13 PM (QoR4a)

26 Re#11
"They have absolutely no idea what to do. They are simply avoiding the question because they don't know what to do."

Sorry, Bluejade, The One already knows what he's going to do.
He's pulling out of Afghanistan.
But he knows that decision will dissappoint some of the people who voted for him and he can't afford that while the fight for his health care is still up in the air.
Once the health care battle is decided, he'll make his decision public.

Posted by: RayJ at September 22, 2009 04:15 PM (//Bcg)

27
Can we just have a post "Lie of the Day"

That's a good idea, then at year-end Ace can do a "Whopper of The Year" kind of thing.

Posted by: Dang Straights - Big Foot Lackey at September 22, 2009 04:15 PM (Haq+B)

28 That's a good idea, then at year-end Ace can do a "Whopper of The Year" kind of thing.

Posted by: Dang Straights - Big Foot Lackey at September 22, 2009 04:15 PM (Haq+B)

Sheesh...I'd hate to be the one that has to pick the winner.

Oh and as the mother of a US soldier....FUBO!

Posted by: Tami at September 22, 2009 04:16 PM (VuLos)

29 YOU LIE!

Posted by: Joe Wilson at September 22, 2009 04:18 PM (CDUiN)

30 So... Obama has more whoppers than Burger King.

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31 Spock would never lie. We must be all wee-wee'd up.

Posted by: Ronnie at September 22, 2009 04:20 PM (rEgtL)

26 Once the health care battle is decided, he'll make his decision public.

this hack could politicize his chreeios.

Posted by: dananjcon at September 22, 2009 04:20 PM (1B81L)

33
That's a good idea, then at year-end Ace can do a "Whopper of The Year" kind of thing.

Y'all better hurry up on this. I'm sure Whoppers, along with sodas, will be made illegal by the health care bill.

Posted by: InCali at September 22, 2009 04:21 PM (Oah9O)

34 Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Honduras, Poland, the Czechs...Taiwan soon. Holy shit, at this rate, I could totally stamp out this "liberty" shit in ONE term!

Posted by: Il Douche at September 22, 2009 04:22 PM (FcR7P)

35 Can we just play not to lose? See, I was counting on finding abuse, fraud, and waste to pay for my non-existent healthcare plan. I conveniently forgot to say that the "war we must win" is "waste."

There's real money in that pig, and I want to put it under control of Pelosi and Reid.

Wait, did I say that out loud?

Posted by: My nukes, my money at September 22, 2009 04:22 PM (WtrwW)

36 24

With that comment, Hillary should convince Obama to find a General Grade Officer who agrees with the assessment and replace General McChrystal. It's just that simple. Find a real team player, and combined with Hillary's long standing history of military decision making, it will be a simple matter to secure victory.

Who better than Hillary to lead us to victory? After all, isn't she the Great People's Hero of the Battle of Tuzla?

Posted by: stuiec at September 22, 2009 04:22 PM (f0O9k)

37 Of course Soros has already told him what to do. He just hasn't told him how to get the American people to swallow it.

I think they have no choice but to swallow -Americans are dying.
The he'll lie and declare a victory and withdraw.

Posted by: paranoid polly at September 22, 2009 04:23 PM (r7Vc3)

38 37

I think they have no choice but to swallow -Americans are dying.
The he'll lie and declare a victory and withdraw.

But Soros and Obama are always thinking ahead. Before they declare victory and pull out, they'll need a scapegoat for the chaos and worldwide terrorist activity that will inevitably follow.

Posted by: stuiec at September 22, 2009 04:26 PM (f0O9k)

39 #24

Hilary simply shouldn't be undermining the advice of her military leaders on the ground.

Wasn't McChrystal just hand-picked by Obama as the "czar" (to coin a phrase) of Afghanistan?

You aren't supposed to line up everyone with varying opinions and pick the one you find most politically expedient.

Posted by: looking closely at September 22, 2009 04:27 PM (6Q9g2)

40 But I can only tell you there are other assessments from very expert military analysts who have worked in counter-insurgencies that are the exact opposite"

I want to know who some of these counterinsurgency experts are, and I'm not being snarky here. Are they Generals? Intelligence professionals? Or some half-cocked crew of lefty Yale historians? I mean, McChrystal is only a career Special Forces officer, gee, what the hell does he know?

Posted by: UGAdawg at September 22, 2009 04:28 PM (QZ/te)

41 #25 Good observation.

Strategies only require careful prolonged deliberation when they run counter to liberal dogma.

Posted by: looking closely at September 22, 2009 04:30 PM (6Q9g2)

42 I also want to know why it is that Hillary is weighing in on this military matter. Could she have chosen to keep out of it and leave this as Obama's problem? Why did she decide to go to bat for Obama on this issue?

Posted by: stuiec at September 22, 2009 04:31 PM (f0O9k)

43

39 -

Hillary's advise is from liberal think tank gnomes who parrot the democrat party line. She is unwilling to accept McCrystal's analysis because it's at variance with Obama rhetoric. McCrystal is an American patriot whereas Hillary speaks liberal talking points in an attempt to preserve the liberal voting base.

You are correct sir, it's not a pick from either column A or B, but what's best for America. But, with Obama and Hillary, it's about what retains the liberal voting base without alienating all others. It's a tall order to be a vote conscience dweeb instead of an American first, but both Obama and Hillary manage quite well.

Posted by: Fish at September 22, 2009 04:34 PM (FnA4R)

44 @40
Ayers, Dohrn, Mumia, & Weezy Jefferson for starters. Not sure if the consultancy went much deeper, though.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Neck Beard at September 22, 2009 04:35 PM (GhHZr)

45 Super anal grammar nitpick:

how to implement and resource the new strategy,

I despise seeing nouns turned into corporate newspeak verbs. Who ever started using 'task' and 'resource' as verbs needs to be shot out of a cannon. Fie on them! Fie I say!

That NEA phone meeting coughed up another one; 'asks.' "We have specific asks for you..." Gaddalmighty that's irritating.

Drew, good us one. Drop that 'resource' shit post haste.

Posted by: Iskandar at September 22, 2009 04:37 PM (2E1fT)

46 38. But Soros and Obama are always thinking ahead. Before they declare victory and pull out, they'll need a scapegoat for the chaos and worldwide terrorist activity that will inevitably follow.

They do : Booooosh

Posted by: paranoid polly at September 22, 2009 04:38 PM (r7Vc3)

47 45, they actually said "aks" not "asks"

/ reporting myself

Posted by: wHodat at September 22, 2009 04:39 PM (+sBB4)

48
45 - I still don't know what Maxipad Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, and others mean when that say "speak truth to power?" What the hell does that mean?

Posted by: Fish at September 22, 2009 04:40 PM (FnA4R)

49 Hillary has a frequent willful suspension of disbelief, why should this be out of character now?

Posted by: AE at September 22, 2009 04:42 PM (ezbsU)

50 Very good observation DrewM as this was something that easily could have been missed.

Posted by: polynikes at September 22, 2009 04:42 PM (m2CN7)

Apparently, our intrepid CoC is waiting around for that "strategy" to just fall into his lap.

Posted by: eringobragh at September 22, 2009 05:01 PM (XqEBL)

52 @45: I despise seeing nouns turned into corporate newspeak verbs. Who ever started using 'task' and 'resource' as verbs needs to be shot out of a cannon.

We have a group efforting the search for the perpetrators as we speak.

Posted by: Grammar Czar at September 22, 2009 05:01 PM (1OYcp)

53 The war phases of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars should have been concluded long ago. Unfortunately we then decided we had to build democracies to serve as shining lights unto the Muslims, and to give us military footholds in the region. Noble ideas, but in practice, impossible. We will never turn these people into anything other than what they are. Even when Iraq was a more secular society, sectarian violence simmered below the surface and it took a tyrant like Saddam to keep the country together. Even when Afghanistan was a more secular society (before the Soviets came) Taliban tendencies lay not far below the surface.

We should pull the troops out now so no more American military will die. Both places will eventually deteriorate into Islamic Sharia states, but we can't prevent that. The best we can do is keep them under observation, and go in periodically and beat them senseless when they come close to causing trouble again or try to harbor terrorists. Just as in the case of Haiti, we're doomed to get involved every few years and impose adult supervision, but short of killing them all, that's all we can realistically do.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at September 22, 2009 05:04 PM (Qt4Y7)

54 Barry is trying to vote "PRESENT".

Hillary!'s injection today is bullshit! She's been told to 'get a debate going'. Barry will be at the UN all week, this is HIS time to SHINE! HE does not want any diversion of ATTENTION by HIS loyal troops in the MSM. THE WORLD is to hang on HIS every word this week.

Tell that stupid fucking general to shut up! AND FIND THAT FUCKING LEAK!

Posted by: GarandFan at September 22, 2009 05:07 PM (ZQBnQ)

55 "Unfortunately we then decided we had to build democracies to serve as shining lights..."

Yeah, really. I mean, when in human history has that ever worked?

Posted by: Germany and Japan at September 22, 2009 05:09 PM (WtrwW)

56 DrewM.: "That's simply ridiculous on its face."

Yeah. That about summarizes Obama right there. Call it Obama's Working Theory on just about anything until further notice.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 22, 2009 05:14 PM (C3uAX)

57 In all fairness Michelle has Barrys balls in her purse and she was out shopping. As soon as she gets back, watch out!

Posted by: BMUELLER at September 22, 2009 05:19 PM (4vsd2)

58 53: But this is more or less exactly Obama's preferred strategy. It's the strategy he proposed for Iraq during the campaign, and it's the strategy he's now airing for Afghanistan with his talk about "mission creep". It's also the strategy that was in fact being half-implemented more or less by default in Iraq during the long years when MNF-Iraq lacked the ability or sometimes the inclination to do boring old proper counterinsurgency. By all indications it's not much of a winner.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at September 22, 2009 05:26 PM (61qKq)

59 Yeah, really. I mean, when in human history has that ever worked?
- Germany and Japan

Germany was a western country, and Japan had a parliament of some kind, I believe. We went through extensive processes to purge the radicals from both regimes. They also had populations with IQs of 100 or more, vs. less than 90 for Iraq and Afghanistan. It makes a big difference.

No Muslim country has been able to establish a working democracy. What reason do we have to believe that they would maintain a form of government that they are incapable of creating themselves, and that is a violation of their religion?

Posted by: obama is a traitor at September 22, 2009 05:26 PM (Qt4Y7)

60 Gosh. It's almost like our C.I.C. has never had a real job or responsibilities or anything. At least he wrote a couple of books about himself. So there's that.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at September 22, 2009 05:27 PM (UOM48)

No Muslim country has been able to establish a working democracy

NATO member Turkey.

Posted by: polynikes at September 22, 2009 05:38 PM (m2CN7)

62 NATO member Turkey.

Thanks to frequent military coups whenever they slide to far to the Islamist side. Now that the military has been sidelined as a precondition of joining the EU, watch how long they last.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at September 22, 2009 05:42 PM (Qt4Y7)

63 Ach! - that should be "slide too far".

Posted by: obama is a traitor at September 22, 2009 05:43 PM (Qt4Y7)

This is utter BS.

President Obama, you hold the title of Commander-in-Chief. You declared your Afghanistan 'policy' in March of this year. You then appointed a new Commander to execute that policy.

It’s now become quite apparent that you’ve given less than the minimal amount of thought necessary to manage a critical combat theater. Given that YOU declared this AO to be THE BATTLE THAT MUST WON, your ‘lapse’ is indefensible. Given that this task is your Constitutional responsibility, you’ve succeeded in compounding that failure.

Your only options are:

[A] Lead

[B] Resign

There is no third option.

Fulfill your duty or be damned be those who did.

[I left this comment at HA's Headlines Section, and sure enough the piece in question got quickly 'buried' in the archives (yet again). Normally, I don't do 'cut and pastes' so forgive me, but this has me pissed beyond words.]

Posted by: CPT. Charles at September 22, 2009 06:27 PM (lYKj1)

65
<a href="http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=292658#c6262646">59</a>: Back in 1945 there were similarly appealing arguments as to how the Japanese or the mucksavages of the Teutoberg Forest would never be able to adapt themselves to democracy and a quiet life. The Kaiserreich and the Weimar Republic did not at that point in time look like great advertisements for the chances of liberal democracy in Germany.

Posted by: anonymous irishman at September 22, 2009 06:29 PM (61qKq)

66 Ack.

THE BATTLE THAT MUST BE WON

[Am I pissed? Oh, you have no idea.]

Posted by: CPT. Charles at September 22, 2009 06:34 PM (lYKj1)

67 65: People are different. Peoples are different. A characterization that was wrong when applied to Germans and Japanese in 1945 can be correct when applied to Afghans and Iraqis in 2009. Time will tell who is right.

But I'm just a harmless nobody. People like CPT. Charles above know the truth on the ground far better than I do, and I hope they get the outcome they wish for.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at September 22, 2009 06:59 PM (Qt4Y7)

68 They have absolutely no idea what to do. They are simply avoiding the question because they don't know what to do."

Sorry, Bluejade, The One already knows what he's going to do.
He's pulling out of Afghanistan.
But he knows that decision will dissappoint some of the people who voted for him and he can't afford that while the fight for his health care is still up in the air.
Once the health care battle is decided, he'll make his decision public.
Written by: RayJ

Give this man a brownie pin, he is right on the money.
It has become second nature to call Obama a complete idiot, a tool, a clueless SOB but the fact is......He knows exactly what he's doing.

The son of a bitch is going to let our countries finest take it in the teeth, in a war he has no intention of winning for purely political reasons that are unrelated to the war, exactly as RayJ said.

Once this health care bill and possibly the cap and trade bill/bills are done he will concoct a reason to pull the troops.

This guy is an absolute liar and cares only about himself and changing this country into an Obamanation.

Posted by: Drider at September 22, 2009 07:47 PM (aZn+0)

69 Bummer, dead thread...

The problem in "Af-ghan-ee-stan" (phonetically correct Obama style), like any other war conflict, is the right number of men to do the job of knocking the king off his throne. One could use the brute force of annihilation by millions of infantry to get the job done, or your average 'A' Team or CIA Dirty Ops could kick the 'King' to the curb.

In Af-ghan-ee-stan it was found a few Special Ops, their big tail, and the Northern Alliance could knock Mullah Omar off his throne. Not so much a war as a conflict with the current despot. And enough regulars to minimally support Omar's successor.

Imagine if W. went with an 'A' Team to hit Omar, they obviously would not be trying to play Federal Marshall over the whole shiitehole, they would have pulled it. Conversely, if W. went with the million(s) man invasion and occupation, we would not be talking about this either.

Time is past when the question was "How few", but to "how many" to suppress.

A skillful General can always defeat the enemy's king and government with fewer troops than it takes to subdue the enemy. The enemy has not been subdued.

Posted by: Druid at September 22, 2009 09:21 PM (Gct7d)

70 But got 69!

Posted by: Druid at September 22, 2009 09:27 PM (Gct7d)

71 Doh! You have to KNOW history to rewrite it!

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