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| The End of Obamanomics: Social Security to Go Into Deficit 2010-2011, and Then Permanently in 2017...which means Social Security will begin drawing on general-tax revenues starting next year, increasing the budget deficit even further. What a perfect time to expand government spending to levels hitherto undreamed by man. A Hot Air exclusive, Captain Ed says, snagging the CBO's calculations. Harry Reid said this wouldn't happen for 50 years. Orszag claimed we were fine until 2019.This demonstrates nothing better than the poor and politically calculated analyses that came out of the CBO during Peter Orszag’s tenure at the Congressional agency. Democrats wanted analyses that allowed them to ignore the problems in Social Security, and Orszag was happy to supply them. Douglas Elmendorf has had to right the ship at CBO while Orszag continues to blow his predictions at OMB, most notably in overall deficit projections, which Orszag had to admit were off by more than 40% and $2.2 trillion over the next ten years.And now it's next year, and the year after that, with the system just slightly covering expenses for several years after that, and then back into deficits. Forever. Or, rather, for about 40 years. Once the huge cohort of Baby Boomers has shuffled off their mortal coils, we'll be fine again. UPDATE FROM LAURAW BELOW THE FOLD: Anybody remember this SOTU Address? Look at the glee on the Democrats' faces as they applaud. Comments1
In the end, there will be only crushing federal debt (and chaos)!
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 22, 2009 11:12 AM (9hSKh) Posted by: Tweet Express. Don't leave home without it. at September 22, 2009 11:15 AM (jVldi) 3
I'm not having a good crisis.
Posted by: Taxpayers at September 22, 2009 11:16 AM (YMZjg) 4
The Obama administration is working on this with Obamacare. Pass his reforms and you won't live to retirement age anyway which will be set at 75.
Obama says this is how FDR did it and he intends to follow his lead. Posted by: Rocks at September 22, 2009 11:16 AM (Q1lie) 5
At the least, this should make for good campaign-ad fodder for Reid's opponents in Nevada.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 22, 2009 11:16 AM (8okjW) 6
I have zero confidence that our representatives and senators will actually behave responsibly and shut down all gov't spending (excluding our nation's defense) until they rework and rethink how to correctly handle all of our money troubles. I fear that they are truly going to pass everything they can until we are a pale version of every other socialist nation. I'm completly disgusted. Posted by: LR at September 22, 2009 11:17 AM (wM0sa) 7
Time for a new retirement. I'll steal one from the Wal Mart parking lot. Hope I don't get a wobbly wheel.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 22, 2009 11:17 AM (5aa4z) 8
We are so boned.
Posted by: DelD at September 22, 2009 11:17 AM (rC+/c) 9
and add to that. the bank regulators will need a bailout, to hold on. seriously . do they have any responsible souls guiding anything? foreign policy jokes, fiscal policy a joke, seriously what is to be done? Posted by: willow at September 22, 2009 11:17 AM (GkYyh) 10
This is a perfect time to allow 30 million 'undocumented workers' to come out from the shadows and allow them to contribute to the taxrolls. Right? Posted by: Tweet Express. Don't leave home without it. at September 22, 2009 11:17 AM (jVldi) 11
Boy, Obama's having another bad week. When's his next vacation? Posted by: volfan at September 22, 2009 11:18 AM (9qFBD) 12
You lie! Social Security is solvent until 2525!
Posted by: Harry Reid at September 22, 2009 11:18 AM (VmtE9) 13
Your Euclidean, rational mathmatics are racist. Cut that shit out.
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at September 22, 2009 11:19 AM (TXp3z) 14
Maybe the Democrats can put up signs along the highway telling people the government is providing Social Security. Posted by: Sen Judd Gregg at September 22, 2009 11:19 AM (jVldi) Posted by: Rocks at September 22, 2009 11:20 AM (Q1lie) 16
Now we really need Obamacare. The $2 trillion it will save ($4 trillion? $10 trilion? whatever) could be used to fund Social Security. It's a win-win!
Posted by: Cicero at September 22, 2009 11:20 AM (2RjNj) 17
Pay into the system? You mean start collecting our free money, you stupid gringo!
Posted by: Undocumented Workers at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (VmtE9) Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (5aa4z) 19
FUBAR
Posted by: Twinks at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (wjosM) Posted by: Tweet Gingrich at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (jVldi) 21
If Social (In)Security is this bad, I wonder how Medicare truely is? I guess this means that Obama is just going to double-down on DeathCare. Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (9hSKh) 22
We should turn the Government bureaucrats who supervised this madness into a nutritious, high-protein food source for seniors. That will at least help stretch the Social Security program for a little while.
Posted by: stuiec at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (f0O9k) 23
So it's a good time to start learning Mandarin, is what you're saying.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (NtiET) 24
Just wait until Obama and the Democrats give the illegal aliens amnesty. They'll want to do it before the 2010 elections to create an new block of instant Dem voters. What a drain those new people will be on social security, eh? Posted by: Speller at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (eU9ZB) 25
We should turn the Government bureaucrats who supervised this madness
into a nutritious, high-protein food source for seniors. That will at
least help stretch the Social Security program for a little while.
Posted by: stuiec at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (f0O9k) You're cleaning them, then. Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 22, 2009 11:22 AM (5aa4z) 26
Okay I'll go ahead and die, if it will make things better. Just doin' my part.
Posted by: Moron in Exile at September 22, 2009 11:23 AM (sVKPL) 27
And look for the Democrats to propose lifting the cap on the payroll tax. Of course the jug eared jerkoff can go on tv and say it isn't really a tax it is a "savings account" or some other such nonsense and it will all be ok. PS, this sounds like something Biden needs to fix, doesn't it??? Posted by: Jay at September 22, 2009 11:23 AM (/ZX77) 28
I'm just glad that I don't pay taxes on my child sex slaves. Thanks for picking up the slack, teabaggers!
Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 11:23 AM (VmtE9) 29
23 So it's a good time to start learning Mandarin, is what you're saying. Or start embracing the impending chaos, as I have, because that's all there will be in the end. Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 22, 2009 11:23 AM (9hSKh) 30
i guess the debate now should be how do we manage the coming collapse of america? what goes first? all military bases around the world? our navy? aid to poor nations? food subsidies? welfare? environmental spending?
We're beyond broke. Let's say we cut all spending today, does anyone think it would be possible to pay off our debts or meet our obligations? If so, how? Within reason. Keep in mind no politician on either side of the aisle has the balls to end social security or medicare. Look at what is happening to obama now that he is trying to raid medicare. I don't want to be a game over person, but seriously, what can we do? in 2011-2012 it looks like we will be entering a cluster f*ck of financial issues. What are the options? Default on the debts and become Argentina who went from first world economy to third world economy in an instant, or inflation on the level of 90% which would erase our debts as well as destroy our currency?
Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2009 11:24 AM (wuv1c) 31
Once the huge cohort of Baby Boomers has shuffled off their mortal coils, we'll be fine again. Yeah, we'll just be another 3rd world country by then anyway, so who cares, right? Posted by: Dang Straights at September 22, 2009 11:24 AM (Haq+B) 32
Yawn. Obama simply needs to do what Reagan did. Raise payroll taxes. Or more specifically raise the max out level.
Reagan raised mine from 11.4% to 15.2%. Didn't hurt a bit. Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 11:24 AM (4dCEv) 33
Don't worry, Gloabal Warming will have killed us all by then.
Posted by: Luca Brasi at September 22, 2009 11:25 AM (YmPwQ) 34
Obama, you might just be a Dee Dee Dee.
Posted by: Carlos Mencia at September 22, 2009 11:25 AM (uqlfx) 35
Hate this American Idol winner of a President...
Please please please let there be a Reagan after this awful experiment. Posted by: MelodicMetal at September 22, 2009 11:25 AM (weVyN) 36
This won't be a problem. We'll just kill ration health care for all the old, white folks. Problem solved!
Posted by: Health Commissar/King Barry O at September 22, 2009 11:26 AM (prBaA) 37
Of course, I live off public assistance and don't report my child sex slavery income, so increasing the maximum percentage didn't affect me at all.
Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 11:26 AM (VmtE9) 38
Didn't the Mayan prophesize this? Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2009 11:27 AM (wuv1c) Posted by: Dang Straights at September 22, 2009 11:27 AM (Haq+B) 40
how the EFF do I Un-volunteer from Social Security!! seriously, someone HAS to know..
Posted by: UGRev at September 22, 2009 11:27 AM (uhjTJ) 41
Lockbox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Al Gore at September 22, 2009 11:28 AM (Q1lie) 42
oh, thanks Franklin Roosevelt.
Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2009 11:28 AM (wuv1c) 43
Obama said "I don't want to kill Grandma", and he's right. He wants to kill a bazillion Grandmas.
Posted by: runningrn at September 22, 2009 11:28 AM (D2il9) 44
how the EFF do I Un-volunteer from Social Security!! seriously, someone HAS to know.. There is no way out, bwhahahaha! Posted by: Zombie of FDR at September 22, 2009 11:29 AM (D2il9) 45
This bright outlook likely depends on questionably rosy future estimates...
Posted by: somejoe at September 22, 2009 11:30 AM (k1kpA) 46
how the EFF do I Un-volunteer from Social Security!! seriously, someone HAS to know.. I agree, i don't want to pay into Social Security, especially if it won't be around for me. I would be better off keeping the money myself. It's a f'ing scam that i can't get out of without being arrested. Wby hasn't someone sued the government for the right to opt out of the greatest Ponzi scheme in human history. Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2009 11:30 AM (wuv1c) 47
But Beyonce has the greatest video of all time!
Posted by: Kanye West at September 22, 2009 11:30 AM (uqlfx) 48
Let's see... social security going bankrupt, the bankrupt banks have to bail out the FDIC, hmm... I'm thinking that the safest thing to do is turn all cash assets into ammo, food and more ammo. And maybe a few new guns.
Doesn't hurt to be prepared. Posted by: shibumi at September 22, 2009 11:30 AM (OKZrE) 49
oh, thanks Franklin Roosevelt.
Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2009 11:28 AM (wuv1c) Or as my late father referred to him: Thanks, you Gimp-Legged, Syphilitic, Socialist Sonofabitch. Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 22, 2009 11:30 AM (5aa4z) 50
Well, when Bush tried to fix the system, the Democrats railed loud and strong nothing was wrong. Last year Social Security was "good" for years to come. Now we learn this?
Sounds to me like this happened on the Democrat's watch. They broke it, they bought it. Never, ever let them, or the voters, forget it Posted by: Strick at September 22, 2009 11:31 AM (93CPh) 51
@ 13
Your Euclidean, rational mathmatics are racist.
You make a joke, but there are actually books/articles by goofball lefties that argue that very thing -- seriously. Posted by: Curly Mustard at September 22, 2009 11:31 AM (sOpAl) 52
Run, Logan, Run! Posted by: wws at September 22, 2009 11:32 AM (T1boi) 53
Ben at September 22, 2009 11:24 AM (wuv1c) We're beyond broke. Let's say we cut all spending today, does anyone think it would be possible to pay off our debts or meet our obligations? If so, how? Within reason Why no Ben, We still are going to be cap and taxed, inure everyone and commit to the Global Poverty Bill on Taxpayers back rolled out in 2007
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2009 11:32 AM (GkYyh) 54
23 So it's a good time to start learning Mandarin, is what you're saying.
Kung Pao chickens, coming home, to rooooooost. Posted by: ICBM at September 22, 2009 11:32 AM (CUZQa) 55
Reagan raised mine from 11.4% to 15.2%. Didn't hurt a bit.
Much the same way I was gonzoed by my boyfriend's fire extinguisher. Not a pet name for anything, he shoved a real fire extinguisher up my bung hole. 'Course it helps to be stretched out like I am and can hide things like bar stools and steering wheels up there too. Posted by: Honest Cloud at September 22, 2009 11:33 AM (La0Tt) 56
I'm looking forward to living under a bridge in a box with my kids.
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2009 11:33 AM (GkYyh) 57
If Social (In)Security is this bad, I wonder how Medicare truely is? I guess this means that Obama is just going to double-down on DeathCare. Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 22, 2009 11:21 AM He's triple-dog-daring down on the Chappaquiddick Memorial Death Panels Bill. As for Medicare, the Social Security trustees said back in May that the portion that relies on a "trust fund" (the Hospital Insurance/Part A) began to run in the red last year, with "trust-fund" exhaustion in 2017. Posted by: steveegg at September 22, 2009 11:33 AM (UGOcx) 58
This is SO FDR's, Truman's, Eisenhower's Kennedy's, Johnson's, Nixon's, Ford's Carter's Reagan's, Bush's, Clinton's & Bush's Obama's Fault.
Posted by: The MSM at September 22, 2009 11:34 AM (MMC8r) 59
Why are you clowns bitching? Being in the red (that means in debt to those of you who don't know piss about economics) is actually a great thing!
Posted by: Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA) at September 22, 2009 11:34 AM (mSHQN) 60
Or as my late father referred to him: Thanks, you Gimp-Legged, Syphilitic, Socialist Sonofabitch. Herr Morgenholz, your dad was a very smart man. Posted by: steveegg at September 22, 2009 11:34 AM (UGOcx) 61
There aren't enough people to take care of the baby boomers.
If they stay alive and in country, the amount of money will make no difference. Nurses can't work more than humanly possible, regardless of pay. So either - more immigrants, more expatriation of retirees, death panels, or robots. I've got my fingers crossed for robots. Posted by: dusty at September 22, 2009 11:35 AM (XHOAD) 62
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I'm looking forward to living under a bridge in a box with my kids.
I plan on being one step up from that... living in a van down by the river. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 22, 2009 11:36 AM (8okjW) 63
How's the Breitbart fake NEA scandal turning out for you losers?
Not so good, huh? You can always fall back on the old Social Security is broke gambit. It's been working so well for you. Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 11:36 AM (4dCEv) 64
Historic election, damn right.
Obama will be the first ex-president to live the rest of his life in exile. Posted by: AmishDude at September 22, 2009 11:36 AM (ItSLQ) 65
Just watch, in an effort to keep Social Security solvent, John Holdren will soon be Czar in charge of hand gems and euthanasia.
Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at September 22, 2009 11:36 AM (4jZ56) 66
Sounds like you guys are all wee-ed up over nothing....
Posted by: Jay at September 22, 2009 11:37 AM (/ZX77) Posted by: J.F.K. at September 22, 2009 11:37 AM (uqlfx) 68
Or as my late father referred to him: Thanks, you Gimp-Legged, Syphilitic, Socialist Sonofabitch.
Too Soon? Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2009 11:38 AM (wuv1c) 69
Forever.
Really? Forever? The Social Security tax rate (excluding the Medicare tax) for the year 2009 is 6.20% on the first $106,800 of an employee’s taxable earnings. Forever in a world where nobody earning less than $250K a year will see a tax increase. But of course that's the same world occupied by skittle crapping unicorns. Posted by: rockhead at September 22, 2009 11:38 AM (RykTt) 70
HC's hysterical whining like a gigged lizard is like music, sweet to the ears.
Posted by: nickless at September 22, 2009 11:38 AM (MMC8r) 71
Hey, who would have thought that the world's largest ponzi scheme would end up like every other ponzi scheme before it?
Posted by: Mallamutt at September 22, 2009 11:38 AM (V9SYy) 72
Remain calm. All is well.
We just need to spend more money so we make more money. Yea, that's what I'm sayin! Posted by: Joe Biden (wearing my economist hat) at September 22, 2009 11:39 AM (k1kpA) 73
@70
Nothing like trying to change the subject and resort to ad hominem attacks when the guy you voted for keeps having failure after failure. Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at September 22, 2009 11:39 AM (4jZ56) 74
I keep telling you guys that health care reform is stealth social security reform. Kill off seniors faster and social security will balance itself.
Posted by: chad at September 22, 2009 11:39 AM (WNcvq) 75
Or as my late father referred to him: Thanks, you Gimp-Legged, Syphilitic, Socialist Sonofabitch. Herr Morgenholz, your dad was a very smart man. Mom was smarter. She'd chastise him for going too easy on FDR. Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 22, 2009 11:40 AM (5aa4z) 76
Hannity said on the radio yesterday that the elderly were the Last in Line for flu vaccines, literally under the HHS guidelines
Gen X is so frakked, how will we work til we are in our 80s if TOTUS iMAC panel denies us Zimmer Knee Replacements!!!!! Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at September 22, 2009 11:40 AM (YL/8+) Posted by: Rush Babe at September 22, 2009 11:40 AM (LKkE8) 78
Quit impersonating me! You know, it's your fault that I had to dump the body of one of my best child sex slaves in the river today. You teabaggers just get me so angry....
Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 11:40 AM (VmtE9) 79
I'm a big fan of FDR. Posted by: Bernie Madoff at September 22, 2009 11:40 AM (mSHQN) Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at September 22, 2009 11:41 AM (YL/8+) 81
Social Security is fine. All they have to do is spend all the IOUs in the SS trust fund and we'll be golden. After all, IOUs are just like money, right?
Posted by: Typical Democrat at September 22, 2009 11:42 AM (rf03a) 82
And the press yelled liar when Bush said it would become insolvent by 2034. One wonders what has changed.
Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2009 11:42 AM (CDUiN) 83
Don't worry, amnesty will create millions of young taxpayers who will bolster the
Posted by: t-bird at September 22, 2009 11:42 AM (FcR7P) 84
From Hot Air: This demonstrates nothing better than the poor and politically calculated analyses that came out of the CBO during Peter Orszag’s tenure at the Congressional agency. Democrats wanted analyses that allowed them to ignore the problems in Social Security, and Orszag was happy to supply them. Hmm... What did Peter Orszag have to say about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2002? This analysis shows that, based on historical data, the probability of a shock as severe as embodied in the riskbased capital standard is substantially less than one in 500,000 – and may be smaller than one in three million. Given the low probability of the stress test shock occurring, and assuming that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac hold sufficient capital to withstand that shock, the exposure of the government to the risk that the GSEs will become insolvent appears quite low. Given the extremely small probability of default by the GSEs, the expected monetary costs of exposure to GSE insolvency are relatively small — even given very large levels of outstanding GSE debt and assuming that the government would bear the costs of all GSE debt in the case of insolvency They can cook the books only so long. When SS goes tits up it'll make Fannie & Freddie look like a fart in a hurricane. The future's so bright I've got to flush my eyes with battery acid. Posted by: Tinian at September 22, 2009 11:43 AM (7+pP9) 85
Obama said "I don't want to kill Grandma", and he's right. He wants to kill a bazillion Grandmas.
Posted by: runningrn at September 22, 2009 11:28 AM (D2il9) Hey on e death is a murder, a million is a statistic. Posted by: todler at September 22, 2009 11:43 AM (fPOY0) 86
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I told hubby that our youngest should take Mandarin. Seriously. That is where the drivers of all economic growth will be when our big companies all leave to relocate and get away from cap and trade and tax capitol of the world under TOTUS Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at September 22, 2009 11:43 AM (YL/8+) 87
maybe I can get work as a troll unda da bridge down by that river!
Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at September 22, 2009 11:41 AM (YL/8+) all i know is we need to have a secret handshake or something so we don't eat our own. Posted by: willow at September 22, 2009 11:44 AM (GkYyh) 88
Our social security system is becoming wealthier!
Posted by: Pete Stark at September 22, 2009 11:44 AM (FcR7P) 89
Obama's got it planned for: He's offering a tax credit for anyone who, in the next year, gives birth to children of employment age.
That's what you get with a super-SMART President, wingnutz. Posted by: nickless at September 22, 2009 11:44 AM (MMC8r) 90
#82 The press was sort of right - Social Security is going to go bankrupt a lot sooner than 2034. Of course, that wasn't what the state-run media meant. Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 22, 2009 11:44 AM (9hSKh) 91
tinian
the FUNNIEST thing IMO is that had TOTUS left Orszag at CBO he couldve pushed ALL this through with their blessings, but NOOOOO he had to promote him HA HA I SAY! Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at September 22, 2009 11:44 AM (YL/8+) 92
I think this is more of a psychological threshold than anything else. The rate at which SS outspends its 'revenue' has been generally increasing ever since it began, so pretty much every year federal finances were worse of than the year before for the inclusion of it. Seniors may not want to see it cut, but I think you're reading to much into their blow-up on healthcare. There aren't that many people, relatively specking, who really want Obamacare. There are huge masses of people who will not accept higher taxes.
In any case, I think defaulting on the debt is becoming an increasingly appealing option as it will ultimately force limited government on Washington. Posted by: Methos at September 22, 2009 11:45 AM (SAQOg) 93
Don't worry, the traitor in chief will have delivered us unarmed to the Russians and Chinese before the next Pres. election, so you won't need to worry about those stinkin' death panels that SP keeps nattering on about. The Ruskies will kill all those that the ChiComs don't. Don't worry, Be happy! Posted by: TimothyJ at September 22, 2009 11:45 AM (IKKIf) Posted by: Trees at September 22, 2009 11:45 AM (1fdn1) 95
Hey, everybody in the Congressional canoe could hear the waterfall up ahead for what - the last 30 years or so?
I hear that Kenmore refrigerator boxes are the sturdiest and best in colder weather. Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 22, 2009 11:45 AM (8fmXu) 96
Hi everybody, its me, Honest Cloud. You may remember me from such classic beatdowns as Governor Pattersons approval rate is in the single digits and I won't be around because I am travelling. But, just like our President says, its not about me (well, sometimes). Today I am here to teach you how to troll like a real professional. Step 1, start off with smug and snark. Don't worry about facts, facts are unessential for the life of a troll. Take this example: How's the Breitbart fake NEA scandal turning out for you losers? See, no facts, but plenty of smug and snark. Hey, most days, I don't even employ logic. Well, that is it for now, I hope to see all of you trolling later. Posted by: Public Service Announcement at September 22, 2009 11:45 AM (V9SYy) Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at September 22, 2009 11:45 AM (YL/8+) 98
One problem has been the unemployment situation. People over 55 have been running out of money and deciding to go on Social Security years before they otherwise planned to. Add to that the nearly 25% unemployed in Michigan, and over 12% in California and you have millions of people no longer having payroll deductions going into Social Security.
The Democrats have basically blown up our economy as a result of the Community Reinvestment Act and mortgage quotas. Posted by: crosspatch at September 22, 2009 11:46 AM (ZbLJZ) 99
the traitor in chief will have delivered us unarmed to the Russians and Chinese Speak for yourself, nancy. Posted by: Dang Straights at September 22, 2009 11:46 AM (Haq+B) 100
Seniors are ALREADY pixxed about the proposed Medicare cuts and the lack of a COLA increase in their payments this year, just WAIT until they hear this,
Posted by: ginaswo/MiM at September 22, 2009 11:47 AM (YL/8+) 101
#92 In any case, I think defaulting on the debt is becoming an increasingly appealing option as it will ultimately force limited government on Washington. Sell CA to the Chinese first. Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 22, 2009 11:47 AM (9hSKh) 102
Some progressive art focused on highlighting the benefits of crack cocaine to baby boomers might do the trick.
Posted by: Buffy Wicks at September 22, 2009 11:47 AM (9KbAf) 103
I need a drink
Posted by: nevergiveup at September 22, 2009 11:47 AM (TfW4T) 104
Social Security is fine. All they have to do is spend all the IOUs in
the SS trust fund and we'll be golden. After all, IOUs are just like
money, right?
Remember the movie Dumb and Dumber? Yeah, it's happening for real. Except I'd have more faith in Harry and Lloyd than I do the House and Senate. Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at September 22, 2009 11:48 AM (4jZ56) 105
I don't get the headline. The End of Obamanomics? More like "Obamanomics Is Working!"
Posted by: t-bird at September 22, 2009 11:48 AM (FcR7P) 106
Its always brightest just before the shock wave.
Posted by: somejoe at September 22, 2009 11:48 AM (k1kpA) 107
Social security is bankrupt?!!! And all these decades we never had the slightest inkling this was happening!
Posted by: Signor Ponzi, Noted Italian Financier at September 22, 2009 11:48 AM (2Y+xz) 108
I think defaulting on the debt is becoming an increasingly appealing option I think that's been the plan all along, it immediately reduces us into just another failed state. No more of that eeeevil U.S. Hegemony we hear so much whining about from the left. Posted by: Dang Straights at September 22, 2009 11:50 AM (Haq+B) 109
Maybe Odumbo can sell some of his nuclear warheads to raise some additional funds?
Posted by: Jay at September 22, 2009 11:50 AM (/ZX77) 110
#92 In any case, I think defaulting on the debt is becoming an increasingly appealing option as it will ultimately force limited government on Washington. Sell CA to the Chinese first. Hmm, what do you think we could get for it?Posted by: Methos at September 22, 2009 11:50 AM (SAQOg) 111
I think this calls for a big important speech.
Posted by: Barry at September 22, 2009 11:50 AM (1fdn1) 112
Yawn. Obama simply needs to do what Reagan did. Raise payroll taxes. Or more specifically raise the max out level.
Reagan raised mine from 11.4% to 15.2%. Didn't hurt a bit. I'm pretty sure we're beyond that point. We're also inside a recession and raising taxes is not such a great thing at that point. Oh, and are you going to retire anytime soon? Posted by: joncelli at September 22, 2009 11:50 AM (RD7QR) 113
Barry has got it all figured out. He's just going to print as much money as he needs. Problem solved.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 22, 2009 11:51 AM (1Jaio) 114
LBJ and the Dems closed the SS Trust and threw the money into the General Fund. Congress, all of them, then used the SS funds for other things, pork barrel projects, etc;. Bush was right, it should have been privatized so Congress couldn't get their greedy hands on it.
Posted by: elclynn at September 22, 2009 11:51 AM (LMB4A) 115
Can I see that video again of the Democrats during Bush's State of the Union speech where they stood up and cheered for themselves for obstructing Social Security reform? Yet another source for great 2010 and 2012 campaign ads.
Posted by: marmo at September 22, 2009 11:52 AM (wpuKF) 116
After much analysis and petting of my dog, I have arrived at the answer.... we need to spend another 14 trillion dollars and hope industry outpaces inflation.... oh look bread is on sale for 47,500 dollars this week! Posted by: John Maynard Keynes-the anti-Malthus! at September 22, 2009 11:52 AM (3KXye) 117
I fear a proposed "Solution" will be to pay these future debts off with inflated currency................
Posted by: Techie at September 22, 2009 11:52 AM (ADOC7) 118
How's the Breitbart fake NEA scandal turning out for you losers? See, no facts, but plenty of smug and snark. Hey, most days, I don't even employ logic. Well, that is it for now, I hope to see all of you trolling later. Posted by: Public Service AnnouncementJust a simple question jackass. And again Breitbart has played you for the gullible dupes that you are. It hasn't even been 24 hours and you losers have already surrendered to the fact I so clearly pointed out yesterday. Breitbart's got nothing. Nada, Zip. Zero. Zilch. Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 11:52 AM (4dCEv) Posted by: red131 at September 22, 2009 11:53 AM (MnAiQ) 120
Look, these are the president's weapons, okay! All we have to do is sell some of them and borrow more money and we'll all be wealthier, including those on social security. You got that, young lady?! Posted by: Pete Stark-enomics at September 22, 2009 11:53 AM (/ZX77) 121
I'm pretty sure this is the Dumb and Dumber clip I referenced. But since work blocks youtube I don't know for sure. Anyone care to watch and let me know
Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at September 22, 2009 11:54 AM (4jZ56) 122
I believe Senator pensions need to be the first expenses the govt need to cut. Next cut their health care plan. Then adjust their salaries to average middle level management levels. Then enforce term limits. Make it a capital offense to swindle more than 100K.
Then again, I am dreaming and dreams without actions are hallucinations. Posted by: sTevo at September 22, 2009 11:54 AM (DjyX2) 123
Sooooo....strangling an old hippie will not only cut down on medicare and SS payments it will also deny barry one more vote in '12? Sweeet!
Posted by: hutch1200 at September 22, 2009 11:54 AM (+VUnP) 124
You wing nuts fear me and the truth.. whatever version that is for the day.
That's why you mock me the way you do. But you're only wasting your breath. How can you mock that which has no shame or sense? You can't! I am impervious to your attacks with facts and logic. Posted by: Honest Cloud at September 22, 2009 11:54 AM (La0Tt) 125
Taxes? Taxes are for those people who are unimportant. Posted by: Charlie Rangle at September 22, 2009 11:54 AM (V9SYy) 126
#119 - Sorry, hit the wrong key:
Selling CA would be considered a 'fire sale' and since it should fall into the ocean in about 50 years.... very little value. Posted by: red131 at September 22, 2009 11:54 AM (MnAiQ) 127
Or, rather, for about 40 years. Once the huge cohort of Baby Boomers has shuffled off their mortal coils, we'll be fine again. Ace baby, and I mean that chronologically, we are not ready yet. I will have to keep working for a while yet seeing as the global financial crisis has wiped out quite a significant portion of my retirement fund. Posted by: Decaf at September 22, 2009 11:54 AM (0Vl/B) 128
We're stepping-up our game!
Posted by: I.R.S. at September 22, 2009 11:57 AM (1B81L) 129
Get ready to start hearing, "Bring out your dead" being yelled in the streets by some guy ringing a bell and pulling a wooden oxcart behind him.
Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2009 11:57 AM (wuv1c) 130
who is this 'Honest Clod'... er, ahhh, 'Honest Cloud' anyway??? that is, besides being a denier of fact and a butt monkey for Barry?
Posted by: chuck in st paul at September 22, 2009 11:57 AM (adr25) 131
HC's 'tell' is the desperation to change the subject, too.
That always highlights their desperation. Sweet. Posted by: nickless at September 22, 2009 11:57 AM (MMC8r) 132
Hey, 40 years of deficits ain't nothin'. Just ask Barry. Obamanomics will save the country. Timmy will just print more money.
Posted by: GarandFan at September 22, 2009 11:57 AM (ZQBnQ) 133
The trolls are still cleaning themselves off after reminiscing about Democrats applauding themselves at a SOTU address for blocking SS reform..............
Posted by: Techie at September 22, 2009 11:58 AM (ADOC7) Posted by: Honest Clod at September 22, 2009 11:58 AM (MMC8r) Posted by: bulwrk at September 22, 2009 11:58 AM (HSJkR) 136
#126 Selling CA would be considered a 'fire sale' and since it should fall into the ocean in about 50 years.... very little value. True. But think of all the resouces the Chinese could extract from there before then. And to all the hippies that would welcome their "liberators", well, they'd be a great source of slave labor (or just meat) once they were beaten into submission. Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 22, 2009 11:58 AM (9hSKh) 137
#113. Obama had better rethink that one, or someone's gonna denounce him as a white supremacist. That's what the Confederate States of America did in the 1860's. Posted by: Minne Rodent at September 22, 2009 11:59 AM (2Y+xz) 138
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This bright outlook likely depends on questionably rosy future estimates...
Straight up. In 8 of the past 12 months (and I think that covers every months since February 2009), SoSec has paid more out in payments than it's taken in taxes. It is already insolvent and drawing on general reserves, as of this year. As unemployment rises, that's going to get worse, not better. Unless someone actually thinks that unemployment will be better in 2012. Snort. Even Larry Summers is slowly realizing that's not true - and without improved employment, there won't be improved SoSec collections. As in, Social Security is insolvent right now, and it will never get better. Posted by: Ella at September 22, 2009 11:59 AM (y0vbB) 139
Hi again, its me, Honest Cloud. Now that you have mastered step 1 of trolling, its time to take it to the next level. Step 2, take the samething you just said and re-order the nouns and the verbs. Here is a great example: Just a simple question jackass. See, its the same thing I said earlier, I just moved the words around it make it look different. Also, I threw in some profanity. Remember, when you want to make a point, use profanity. Don't think that works, well remember, everyone notices the 10 year old kid when he walks in the room and says a bad word he just learned. Same concept here, except, I guess, your old enough to know better. But, again, logic is something a troll should not worry about. Well, that is it for now. Keep working on trolling and someday you be so successful you learn how to make false claims about your personal success like I do! Posted by: Public Service Announcement at September 22, 2009 12:00 PM (V9SYy) 140
<i>What a perfect time to expand government spending to levels hitherto undreamed by man.</i>
It is a perfect time if you dream of having it all blow up and then hopefully return to pre-FDR federal budgets yes. Posted by: John Galt at September 22, 2009 12:00 PM (F/4zf) 141
That's right, Breitbart's got nothin'. I, however, have over 50 varieties of sexually transmitted diseases due to "sampling my wares". I can be honest here, since all of my customers for my child sex slaves are over on Kos, DU, and the Huffington Post.
Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 12:00 PM (VmtE9) 142
Looks like i picked a bad week to stop doing drugs. And applying for social security.
Posted by: mikeyslaw at September 22, 2009 12:00 PM (QMGr1) 143
I don't think the link is right, so below is the script text from the scene I mentioned. Bold parts are key. INT. PRESIDENTIAL SUITE
Nicholas Andre has his gun pointed at a stunned Lloyd and Mary.
ANDRE Well at least you two got to say your goodbyes.
LLOYD Who are you?
ANDRE Don't play dumb with me, asshole. I'm the rightful ower of that briefcase you've been carrying.
LLOYD Uh-oh.
Mary can't believe what's happening.
MARY Nicholas, you... you motherfucker! My family trusted you!
ANDRE Shut up!
LLOYD Uh, sir, about the briefcase, I want you to know, my friend Harry and I have every intention of reimbursing you.
Andre looks alarmed. He motions Mary to the briefcase with his gun.
ANDRE Open that damn thing!
Mary opens the briefcase and a pile of WHITE, CRUMPLED-UP BALLS OF PAPER fall out along with a few packets of hundreds.
ANDRE (CONT.) What the hell's this? Where's all the money?
LLOYD That's as good as money, sir. Those are our IOUs. You can add them up yourself. Every penny's accounted for.
Andre looks like his head is about to BURST in anger. Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at September 22, 2009 12:01 PM (4jZ56) Posted by: The One at September 22, 2009 12:01 PM (1B81L) 145
Barry has got it all figured out. He's just going to print as much money as he needs. Problem solved. After all, it worked so well for that other guy. What's his name? Oh yes, Mugabe. Posted by: Decaf at September 22, 2009 12:02 PM (0Vl/B) 146
"Once the huge cohort of Baby Boomers has shuffled off their mortal coils, we'll be fine again."
Time for Cash for Codgers? Posted by: PJ at September 22, 2009 12:02 PM (FyuxG) 147
You guys know that episode of Metalocolypse where Nathan Explosion becomes Governor of Florida? For some reason, I'm reminded of that right now.
Posted by: Tom in Korea at September 22, 2009 12:03 PM (+gX1+) 148
Phase 3 complete, now all I need is my wheather machine and I will rule the world!!
I'll make you a deal on a used one. Posted by: Karl Rove at September 22, 2009 12:03 PM (MMC8r) 149
144 all you need is tender hands a few chickens for a gentle forcast.
Posted by: sTevo at September 22, 2009 12:03 PM (DjyX2) 150
More evidence of the ultimate lie that is socialism/the Democrat Party: the rich aren't rich because everyone else isn't rich; everyone is less poor because the rich are allow to get rich, and succeed. Take away the freedom to succeed and get rich, and EVERYONE ELSE loses.
Obama: you are pulling even with Jimmy Carter as the worst President EVER. NECK AND NECK after less than a year. Posted by: floofy!ParisParamus at September 22, 2009 12:04 PM (VKn7o) 151
Your deficit is good and all but BEYONCE HAD THE BEST DEFICIT OF ALL TIME!
Posted by: Kanye West at September 22, 2009 12:04 PM (84yWb) 152
Death panels for everyone. Solves the health care crisis and the social security crisis. Two problems with one grandma. Posted by: Andy T at September 22, 2009 12:05 PM (y5bPZ) 153
Reagan raised mine from 11.4% to 15.2%. Didn't hurt a bit.
The DEMOCRAT congress increased SS taxes. That was the THIRD fix for SS to get us past the so-called baby-boomer bubble. The next “fix” should be a 100% tax on all the politicians who voted yes on every buget item since that 3rd fix. Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2009 12:05 PM (CDUiN) Posted by: The One at September 22, 2009 12:06 PM (1B81L) 155
Original post updated with video, I hope it's OK with Ace.
Posted by: lauraw at September 22, 2009 12:07 PM (qTxXM) 156
Reagan raised mine from 11.4% to 15.2%. Didn't hurt a bit. Cause 11.4% of zero is 0. And 15.2% of zero is still 0. Posted by: Guy with Math Skills at September 22, 2009 12:07 PM (V9SYy) 157
Time for Cash for Codgers?
Or cash for Cougars. However I believe ACORN is already funding that program. Posted by: long island at September 22, 2009 12:07 PM (/QzyE) 158
#92 In any case, I think defaulting on the debt is becoming an increasingly appealing option as it will ultimately force limited government on Washington. Sell CA to the Chinese first. Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 22, 2009 11:47 AM (9hSKh) I think China is going to swap its treasuries (plus an obligation to keep buying more, for a little while) for Taiwan, first. It's a great deal for China as Taiwan is worth trillions more than any debt China could ever buy. When that happens, China will have had untold trillions of value just fall into its lap (between Hong Kong and Taiwan) without having to do much of anything. Amazing, really. Posted by: progressoverpeace at September 22, 2009 12:07 PM (A46hP) 159
Floofy, I believe you are being optimistic. Can you image Carter spending eleventy trillion dollars?
Posted by: sTevo at September 22, 2009 12:07 PM (DjyX2) 160
Death panels for everyone. Solves the health care crisis and the social security crisis.
No more unemployment, either. Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 22, 2009 12:08 PM (NtiET) 161
The DEMOCRAT congress increased SS taxes. That was the THIRD fix for SS to get us past the so-called baby-boomer bubble. The next “fix” should be a 100% tax on all the politicians who voted yes on every buget item since that 3rd fix. Aw, Vic, Congresswoman Maxine Waters wants me to talk to you. Posted by: Katie Couric at September 22, 2009 12:10 PM (V9SYy) 162
I've been raped repeatedly. My lock. It burns.
Posted by: The Social Security Lockbox at September 22, 2009 12:10 PM (IhQuA) 163
You'd have to pay us to take California. We make more than enough from you round-eyes by stealing your tonsils and unnecessarily amputating your feet, and then selling them as aphrodisiacs to gullible foreigners.
Posted by: China at September 22, 2009 12:11 PM (VmtE9) 164
I got AIDS directly from monkeys, i cut out the middle man(Andrew Sullivan).
Posted by: Honest Cloud at September 22, 2009 12:11 PM (wuv1c) Posted by: Snoop Dog at September 22, 2009 12:12 PM (V9SYy) 166
maybe it's time to impletment "Case Canuck" and begin an invasion of Canada for its natural resources.
Posted by: Ben at September 22, 2009 12:13 PM (wuv1c) 167
Liberal Karl Marx Kamerron on OBamacare “Democraps say….” “Republicans say….” “in the middle moderates want….” Yeah, fair and balanced that… Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2009 12:13 PM (CDUiN) 168
And now, following my orders from Congresswoman Maxine Waters, I will conduct an interview with a man named Vic who, it appears, has questions about President Obama's handling of all matters.
Posted by: Brian Williams at September 22, 2009 12:14 PM (V9SYy) Posted by: Decaf at September 22, 2009 12:14 PM (0Vl/B) 170
Bwhahaha! Rush is saying Obama on tv prognosticating doom and death unless we pass cap and trade, health care reform, etc. is like "The Jerry Lewis Telethon"--too funny!
Posted by: Roget at September 22, 2009 12:14 PM (D2il9) 171
I think I'm coming around to a new point of view:
Legalize any illegals that actually work for a living, and deport Americans that don't. Posted by: nickless at September 22, 2009 12:14 PM (MMC8r) 172
I won't be able to afford Depends...but I'll be styling with a bunch of worthless $100 bills, duct taped to my soiled junk.
Posted by: hutch1200 at September 22, 2009 12:14 PM (+VUnP) Posted by: Roget at September 22, 2009 12:15 PM (D2il9) 174
oops, sockpuppet!
Posted by: Runningrn at September 22, 2009 12:15 PM (D2il9) 175
47 million people dont have Death Panel Insurance
Posted by: wHodat at September 22, 2009 12:16 PM (+sBB4) 176
OT: Need to push the ACORN angle...how many Dems paid acorn for campaigning, voter reg, etc.
53 million in govt funds...but they also get more money from dems I would guess. Posted by: Sexypig at September 22, 2009 12:17 PM (0t7L8) 177
Shut it DOWN!! Just shut it down you wankers!!!
Posted by: CHEF RAMSEY at September 22, 2009 12:18 PM (1B81L) 178
Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 11:36 AM (4dCEv) Ah the glitch is back. How are things in basement, Milton? Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 22, 2009 12:18 PM (1Jaio) 179
Ass Cloud's defense is to remind us of Obama's Riefenstahl project with the NEA?
Posted by: t-bird at September 22, 2009 12:19 PM (FcR7P) 180
Survey says...FAIL!!
Posted by: r dawson's ghost at September 22, 2009 12:20 PM (1B81L) 181
Ah the glitch is back. How are things in basement, Milton? They took my red stapler...and I didn't get my paycheck, and its Tuesday, and I always get my paycheck on Tuesday, and they took my red stapler.. Posted by: Milton at September 22, 2009 12:21 PM (V9SYy) 182
Somebody did a song about my "interview" back in 1963. Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2009 12:21 PM (CDUiN) 183
164 -- please don't put us on the same level as that vile creature, even in jest.
Posted by: The Monkeys at September 22, 2009 12:22 PM (yK/Nm) 184
I lied.
Posted by: Peter Orszag at September 22, 2009 12:23 PM (C3uAX) Posted by: dananjcon at September 22, 2009 12:23 PM (1B81L) 186
maybe it's time to impletment "Case Canuck" and begin an invasion of Canada for its natural resources.
~Ben Posted by: Speller at September 22, 2009 12:26 PM (eU9ZB) 187
maybe it's time to impletment "Case Canuck" and begin an invasion of Canada for its natural resources.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 22, 2009 12:28 PM (ujg0T) 188
They took my red stapler...and I didn't get my paycheck, and its Tuesday, and I always get my paycheck on Tuesday, and they took my red stapler.. Posted by: Milton at September 22, 2009 12:21 PM (V9SYy) That's our honest clod. Pretending that he's a successful business owner and world traveler. When in reality he's just like Milton sitting in the basement with the lights out mumbling to his loser self. Just pass the piece of cake Milton. Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 22, 2009 12:30 PM (1Jaio) 189
Watching that vid made me miss W all over again. Wow, I can't believe the Dems stood up and applauded when George Bush said "the rising cost of entitlements is a problem that is not going away." Democrats are vile and their malfeasance is destroying this country. Posted by: Runningrn at September 22, 2009 12:33 PM (D2il9) 190
Brawndo stock is up!!!
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 22, 2009 12:40 PM (IqfKc) 191
This thread epitomizes you suckholes to a tee.
Not one solution. Not one. Just a bunch of crybaby whining losers who can't get over the fact that the lost an election. Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 12:41 PM (4dCEv) 192
Tinian has the damning admission in his link:
the probability of a shock as severe as embodied in the riskbased capital standard is substantially less than one in 500,000 – and may be smaller than one in three million. Orszag actually told everyone this, and look at FNMA and FMAC now. This wankpaddle shouldn't even be allowed to give the time of day on the telephone. I don't know how anyone could possibly be more wrong than this. One in three million? To find anyone as deluded as Orszag would take a search of three million, at least. Posted by: George Orwell at September 22, 2009 12:45 PM (AZGON) Posted by: Democratic Dipshit voted in by Imbecile lying clod Applauding Rising Entitlements at September 22, 2009 12:49 PM (z35hQ) 194
Hi again, it me, Honest Cloud, back with another important Public Service Announcement on how you can be a better troll. Ok, we have covered steps 1 and 2, now its time to go to step 3. In this situation, you are not having much luck winning an argument. Now, I know for many of you, this is not an uncommon occurrence. However, by employing step 3, you can try to save the day and, if you are lucky, what little self-esteem you have left. Here, in step 3, we engage in personal attacks. Look at this example: This thread epitomizes you suckholes to a tee. So, remember, when losing, resort to personal attacks. That is all for now. Good luck, and keep trolling away.
Posted by: Public Service Announcement at September 22, 2009 12:50 PM (V9SYy) 195
191
This thread epitomizes you suckholes to a tee.
Not one solution. Not one. Just a bunch of crybaby whining losers who can't get over the fact that the lost an election. OK, I'm listening (not really but humor me), what's the solution? Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 22, 2009 12:51 PM (IqfKc) 196
The solution is for the state to give what's left to all their cohorts and lie.
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2009 12:51 PM (GkYyh) 197
solutions? heck YOU guys had all the solutions disHonest guy remember the election remember SEPT! you Won, get busy! Posted by: willow at September 22, 2009 12:54 PM (GkYyh) 198
OK, I'm listening (not really but humor me), what's the solution?
Posted by: Lemmiwinks Raise the max out amount. Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 12:55 PM (4dCEv) Posted by: maddogg at September 22, 2009 12:58 PM (OlN4e) 200
shudder, i'm going to take a walk and check out those bridges, i get firsties!
Posted by: willow at September 22, 2009 12:58 PM (GkYyh) 201
And by the way, the FDIC is asking BANKS (yeah, you heard that right) BANKS to BAIL THEM OUT because they're kinda out of money.
No worries though. The dollar is strong. Go back to watching 'So You Think You Can Dance.' Posted by: shibumi at September 22, 2009 01:00 PM (OKZrE) Posted by: New kids on the Block at September 22, 2009 01:00 PM (fPOY0) 203
Just a bunch of crybaby whining losers who can't get over the fact that the lost an election. Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 12:41 PM (4dCEv) Then why doesn't Barry and the Dims just pass everything they want to and make this a glorious workers' paradise? What's stopping them, Milton? Certainly not the Republicans. Certainly not the ass kiss media. They still have brain dead shits like you supporting them Milton. Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 22, 2009 01:01 PM (1Jaio) 204
Not one solution. Not one.
Solution to what? "Social Security is broke" is just a "gambit", remember? Posted by: Brendan at September 22, 2009 01:08 PM (2jQGY) 205
The RNC needs to play this video over and over and over.
Posted by: GarandFan at September 22, 2009 01:10 PM (ZQBnQ) 206
The uh solution to the uh problem is a uh simple one. Simply cut waste, fraud and uh abuse. There's, uh, problem uh solved. Time to move on to uh other issues like uh my next awesome uh biography. Posted by: Barack the Magnificant at September 22, 2009 01:11 PM (uuZjB) 207
#204 You'll have to forgive Dishonest Cloud (of methane). It has trouble trolling multiple threads, especially when it has to look up moonbat websites for talking points. As noted by Tinian in comment #63 in the above post..
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 22, 2009 01:12 PM (9hSKh) 208
Then why doesn't Barry and the Dims just pass everything they want
Posted by: TheQuietMan In due time my friend, in due time. In case you aren't aware the Bush disasters are numerous and can't all be fixed at once. Posted by: honest cloud (posting from University of Illinois at Chicago) at September 22, 2009 01:14 PM (4dCEv) 209
In due time my friend, in due time. In case you aren't aware the Bush disasters are numerous and can't all be fixed at once.
Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 01:14 PM (4dCEv) That's right Milton, just keep playing the "everything is Bush's fault" tune. You inbred, uneducated, child molesting cretin. Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 22, 2009 01:22 PM (1Jaio) 210
Well, once more its me, your friend, Honest Cloud. Now, for all you troll wanna-bes, you may be thinking, Honest Cloud, sometimes we do the things you say and we still get it wrong. Relax! Remember the golden rule of trolling, when in doubt, BLAME BUSH. Here is a classic example: In due time my friend, in due time. In case you aren't aware the Bush disasters are numerous and can't all be fixed at once. See, previously, I was asked why, with big majorities in the Senate and House, and with the Presidency, why our Glorious Leader just didn't pass all the laws we need to make us better. But, I don't have a good answer for that. And I have used Step 1 and Step 2 to the point of exhaustion. And logic and facts are so tiresome. So, I may be in trouble here, right. WRONG. I just blame Bush. It always work. Well, that it is for now. Keep up the trolling, and don't forget to check Daily Kos and Media Matters for fresh material all the time. Until the next time, thanks.
Posted by: Public Service Announcement at September 22, 2009 01:29 PM (V9SYy) 211
@ 208 In case you aren't aware the Bush disasters are numerous and can't all be fixed at once.
Name them. All of them. No platitudes about "Oh, (X incident) occurred during the Bush II presidency, therefore it's his fault" -- I want specifics as to how they are the distinct result of policies forwarded by George W. Bush. Get busy. Posted by: Curly Mustard at September 22, 2009 01:29 PM (sOpAl) 212
Yo fellow Democrats! I'm not asking for consistency just common courtesy. It's OK with me if you still mock the evil Bush-Hitler for wanting to change SS, but I also kind of liked the idea of personal accounts... So no need to apologize to Bush however since I've been dead for quite a few years it's probably time you assholes apologized to me.
Posted by: Daniel Patrick Moynihan at September 22, 2009 01:31 PM (ATDUX) 213
Solution to what? "Social Security is broke" is just a "gambit", remember? You're expecting consistency from an "accountant" that thinks a tax credit and a tax cut are the same thing? Why would the impact of the Social Security program running a deficit be a problem to someone like this? Honest Cloud probably thinks that FHA having 22.9% of their loans in default or foreclosure isn't a big deal either. After all, it's the government--money magically appears from the sky! Posted by: A Lock of Che Guevara's Chest Hair at September 22, 2009 01:34 PM (/Pw+r) 214
In due time my friend, in due time. In case you aren't aware the Bush disasters are numerous and can't all be fixed at once. Fortunately, Obama is creating fresh, all-new disasters so he won't have to worry about the Bush disasters. Posted by: A Lock of Che Guevara's Chest Hair at September 22, 2009 01:36 PM (/Pw+r) 215
Once the huge cohort of Baby Boomers has shuffled off their mortal coils, we'll be fine again. Can't we do something to speed up that process? Posted by: Dr Holder at September 22, 2009 01:52 PM (dkBcp) 216
"Over the past two decades, the share of total Social Security spending accounted for by Social Security Disability Insurance (DI) has increased from 10 percent in the 1970s to 17 percent today. In 2005, cash payment to DI beneficiaries topped $85 billion" http://tinyurl.com/mrru3z Don't blame it all on us old folks. "Raise the max out amount. " The left's solution since day one. Posted by: Javems at September 22, 2009 01:58 PM (hq71Y) 217
Once the huge cohort of Baby Boomers has shuffled off their mortal coils, we'll be fine again. Can't we do something to speed up that process?~Dr Holder You should live long enough to get old and then have to face a speedy death, by whatever new death legislation your and yours concieve, by younger people wanting to feed on your carcass. Just think of how future generations are going to love your generation for electing Obama. Posted by: Boomer at September 22, 2009 02:00 PM (eU9ZB) 218
Look, guys, I know, I know, Honest Cloud is an idiot, ok. But, I sent you Dum-Dum the Dummy and he was worse. RKG is unreliable and garbagein is just, well, garbage. So you are gonna have to make due with him for now. Hey, I would love to take the time to train another troll who might be smarter, but gee, everyonce in awhile we have to give TOTUS a day off, and that leaves me baby sitting the big guy, o.k. Didn't you read the Washington Post article today. I am dealing with a total narcassist here, and if someone isn't here to stroke his ego all hell breaks lose. Then he turns Michelle on me and, damn, well, you can imagine the headache that is. So, just live with him and I'll see what I can do for you later, o.k. Thanks.
Posted by: David Axelrod at September 22, 2009 02:00 PM (V9SYy) 219
Hey, dishonest clod of shit. It looks like the White House agrees with Breibart about the NEA and its illegal ill-advised "discussions" with the White House. To paraphrase a great troll, "How's the Breitbart fake NEA scandal turning out for me, as I'm a loser? Not so good, huh?" Posted by: andycanuck at September 22, 2009 02:00 PM (3wl7s) 220
Obamanomics has an ally in the U.N. today. The “leader for life” in Bolivia was just quoted on Fox just now when asked about Obama and Globull Warming.
“Globull Warming” is caused by capitalism” Hahahahaha, the idiot makes the true aim plain for all to see. Evidently he didn’t get the memo to keep to the “green” meme. Posted by: Vic at September 22, 2009 02:13 PM (CDUiN) 221
I remember that speech. I also remember the Democrats refusing to do anything on the slim chance Bush got credit for fixing Social Security. So we are stuck with that dreaded status quo the Dems seem to hate so much these days. They have unbelievable nerve talking about the GOP being the 'Party of No' now.
When SS goes broke permanently I hope that the entire country remembers how ecstatic the Dems were to block any reform under Bush. Posted by: kefka at September 22, 2009 02:15 PM (udoJ3) 222
I really want to be very upset about this, but I can't. I'm too thunderstruck by something much more important:
Somebody (ace) on the internet used the word "cohort" correctly, instead of confusing it with "compatriot." Ace, you have restored my faith in humanity for a brief, sublime moment. Now I'll go reread the post and have it crushed again, but thank you for this instant. Posted by: Uncle Pinky at September 22, 2009 02:32 PM (X8Hld) 223
Breitbart's got nothing. Nada, Zip. Zero. Zilch.
Posted by: honest cloud at September 22, 2009 11:52 AM Apparently neither do you, since that's not the subject of this thread. How's King Barry going to scoop up SS surpluses to buy treasuries to pretend there's a surplus like Clinton did? Posted by: kbdabear at September 22, 2009 02:42 PM (0Lv+U) 224
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