1 Barry's decision here will decide his fate. He will be removed from office under arrest.

2 um, or not of.

sorry to be a pain

3 And it turns out cancelling the Polish/Czech third site wasn't a very bright idea either:

Our Missile-Defense Race Against Iran: The Bush-era plan was the best of the realistic alternatives.

4 I reckon there's no reason to think that Dear Leader, after the Long Summer on the Threshold of Hell, will suddenly make a good decision.

Lord help our troops.

5 We HAVE TO get out of Afghanistan!!!  NBC (and BHO?) are now comparing our occupation to the USSR's -- seriously.

6
Yeah, that would be great if McChrystal actually let the troops kill the bad guys, instead of making them wait 42 minutes for permission to fire.

7 Failure? obama's mission: accomplished.

8 He will send a token increase, declare himself the greatest war-time president evah and call it a day.

9 THE TELEGRAPH: President Barack Obama is beginning to look out of his depth. �Barack Obama is an eloquent, brainy and likeable man with a fascinating biography. He is not George Bush. Those are great qualities. But they are not enough to lead America, let alone the world.�

10 @5. Perfect. That way they can admit defeat AND blame Booosh.

11

Jeezus.

Just when a few rays of sunshine break through the clouds...

12 This will somehow be referenced and critiqued in an episode of Law and Order in about 3..2 ... never.

13 Why don't we just send congress in with some ammo, some rifles and let them fight the freaking war. They seem so intent on armchairing it, I think it would do them some good to get in the sh*t and crack a few rounds at the bad guys.

14 I have no idea what I'm doing.

15 So the Taliban take over again, no big deal. What's the worst that could happen?

16 He won't send more troops, the left has his ass on Health Care and will use it to beat him into raising another white flag. I noticed Bob Woodward wrote that article, it looks like a real journalist may be on Obama's ass from the MSM. This house of cards could be folding soon.

17 Ooh, ooh, I know!  We can just give all our nuclear weapons to Karzai and let him fight the taliban forces in Pakistan!  Peace and unicorns for all!

/libtard

18

And for his next trick, bamatard will call Germany, Italy, and Japan and apologize for winning the wars and tell them that we surrender.

This traitor needs to be led out in handcuffs and his wife in a large cage.

19 I take a contrary position:

Screw Afghanistan. Nuke from orbit.

Wondering if we're serious about overseas contigency operations?

Solved.

Taliban HQ in impenratible terrain?

Solved!

World Heroin Problem?

Solved?

...

Discuss.

20 Rewrite!:
NBC was the news agency that declared Iraq a civil war, and has yet to recant, right?

21 And for his next trick, bamatard will call Germany, Italy, and Japan and apologize for winning the wars and tell them that we surrender.

I do expect some form of either apology or supplication in regards to that to be coming up someday in the future.  Maybe not an outright apology, but some sort of "Americans brutually raped and murdered your countrymen during world war II, and even though I wasn't born then and this totally isn't about me, I'm sorry on behalf of all Americas"

22 A-stan? Is that like ACORN? Yet another distraction, something I've never heard of, so it can't be that important to the people. You say we have troops over there? Shut mah mouth! This if probably a problem I inherited. You know, I wasn't born when Afghanistan was established. So I hope you aren't trying to hold me responsible. That would be... racist.

23 The Commander in Chief has sent out an URGENT order for white flags.

HEY BARRY!  LET'S SEE YOU VOTE "PRESENT" ON THIS ONE!

24 I'm in way over my head.

25 impenratible impenetrable

Impenetrable spelled wrong?

Solved.

26

I can't believe this arrogant asshole of a President was out today trying to sell another government program when he is losing a f**cking war! You would think he would have been maybe saying to Americans, you know what we have a deathly problem here, I am going to put the rest of this socialist crap on hold until we get it figured out.

I guess that would have been to much like Bush!

27

20

Yep, (MS)NBC/GE is getting some big payback from BHO, too. From Russia, with Love.

28 >>urgent, confidential<<

Whatever.

29 Look everyone, President Toonces can be the Commander-in-Chief!

30 Oh great, just when I was thinking about getting a job over there.

31 McChrystal has just out-flanked Commander Dumbshite.

Barry O, starts making gurgling noises about no more troops for Afghanistan, and McChrystal cuts him off at the knees with a well-timed leak to Bob Woodward.

So now Barry is stuck. He can deny the request which everyone now knows is coming, and look like wimp (which is always bad news for wimpy Democrat presidents), or he can acquiesce and send another brigade or two. 

My guess is that Barry sends in more soldiers, because that what Democrat presidents always do when push comes to shove, mainly because they're so terrified of looking weak on national security.

BTW, the firestorm that followed the canceling of the Polish missile deal seems to have caught Barry and Co flatfooted.  So they'll look for a quick way to boost their security bonafides, by showing that Barry is the Fighting Obama.

In other words, look for him to appear on the South Lawn in a Rough Rider costume next week.

32 I am still looking for something this president's done right - I mean not just run his mouth, not just smiled for the cameras and TOTUSed a canned pitch, but actually followed through on. Okay, he's let the military whack a couple terrorists, and he almost-kinda-sorta opened up more stem-cell research (which I would consider a good thing.) Not much else.

33

Hey he was out there with his Light Saber!

Look out, all you meanies! Obi-One Obambi is coming!

34 In other words, look for him to appear on the South Lawn in a Rough Rider costume next week.

Posted by: DelD at September 21, 2009 12:55 AM (rC+/c)

I don't agree with you, the left has him by the balls on Health Care. If the left bails it fails and I believe the left will use it and he will fold.

35

I can't believe this arrogant asshole of a President was out today trying to sell another government program...

BELIEVE it.  He and the Liberals/Socialists/Communists/Radicals coalition are making and milking multiple crises.  They literally keep saying as much.

We're in a blitzkrieg of crises, spending, taxing, regulation, monetization of debt and TAKEOVERS.  Try to keep up.

 

36 >>...Barry is the Fighting Obama.<<

He's gonna...Call...Them...Out!

Fired Up!

Ready to Go!

37 I'm all for holding Bammy's feet to the fire on winning Afghanistan.  But is anyone else sick & g*d*amn tired of seeing "confidential" military reports that telegraph to the enemy the conditions for defeating us -- even if those conditions are political?

38 #37: that is, sick of seeing those "confidential" reports splashed across the front pages of the legacy media.

39 My guess is that Barry sends in more soldiers, because that what Democrat presidents always do when push comes to shove, mainly because they're so terrified of looking weak on national security.

*cough* Iran embassy hostages *cough*
*cough* Somalia *cough*

40 this scares the shit out of me. cause even though the prez used to call afghanistan the "good war" most liberals besides liberman are against more troops. which is sad because military decisions should not be about politics. glad that the GOP supports the troop increase and said so on the sunday shows, i just pray that the prez does not screw this up and supports our military generals. he doesnt want to have the lbj legacy.

41 My college grades?   Horrendous.

42  #37: that is, sick of seeing those "confidential" reports splashed across the front pages of the legacy media.

Posted by: Purple Fury at September 21, 2009 01:00 AM (5XyzC)

Yeah , I agree to a point. It seems the reason it was done is to Call Obama Out. He has to either send the troops or tell his Commander in the field, nah I don't want to. McCristal put him in the wringer and now Woodward is turning it.

43 Prezidenting is hard!

44 I don't agree with you, the left h

I don't agree with you, the left has him by the balls on Health Care. If the left bails it fails and I believe the left will use it and he will fold.

Posted by: robtr at September 21, 2009 12:59 AM (H60q6)

I disagree.  Very few leftists are marching in the streets to protest our involvement Afghanistan.  Yes, they'd like to end the Afghan war, but it's not a priority for them. So they just pretend it doesn't exist.

Right now Barry needs to shore up his national security credentials, and sending more troops to Afghanistan is political freebie.  The right will support him, and the left will shrug their shoulders. 

Barry needs a freebie right now, and he'll take this one.

45

Purple Fury, if the laziest media ever didn't post classified information about our armed forces, what topics could they possibly report on?

I mean, besides ACORN being super-cool about helping child prostitution rings, the NEA steering artists to produce Obama-loving works on the taxpayer dime, St. Barry selling out Eastern Europe to the Ruskies and every other freakin' thing Teleprompter Jesus does, the MSM have absolutely nothing to report on lately.

46 sick of seeing those "confidential" reports splashed across the front pages of the legacy media.

Lesser evil I'm afraid.  The other option is to keep quiet while Barry grinds up our people for no purpose at all.

I just had a happy thought.  You know how plugs told us to gird our loins because the world would test Obama in a manufactured crisis?  And it wouldn't be obvious that he'd dealt with the crisis in "the right way" so all the automatons on Barry's email list would be called on to argue in his defense?

For all the disaster we are already facing at his hands, that call has not yet gone out.

47 One thing for certain now though is that if he doesn't send troops the Taliban knows they won the war.

48 This is very depressing.  I sincerely hope that Obama eventually concludes that doing the right thing for our national security actually lines up with his best interests, politically.  Otherwise, I'm afraid that his waffling instincts may really harm the effort in Afghanistant.  He had been doing the smart thing in Iraq - keep quiet and don't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory so I had some hope he'd actually live up to his previous promises about Afghanistan.  Jim Geraghty is right, all of Barack Obama's statements come with an expiration date. 

49 I disagree.  Very few leftists are marching in the streets to protest our involvement Afghanistan.  Yes, they'd like to end the Afghan war, but it's not a priority for them. So they just pretend it doesn't exist.

Um, we don't send 40k more troops to Afghanistan without funding them.  Which doesn't happen unless Nancy Pelosi allows it to be voted on. 

And you're apparently assuming his blather this morning about not being convinced that there was any strategic purpose served in sending more troops was cover for when he eventually makes the decision.  I think he has made the decision and is just dragging his feet about making it publicly.

50 I don't think ol' Plugs is prescient, I just think he talks self-importantly.

51 My guess is that Barry sends in more soldiers, because that what Democrat presidents always do when push comes to shove, mainly because they're so terrified of looking weak on national security.

*cough* Iran embassy hostages *cough*
*cough* Somalia *cough*

Posted by: Methos at September 21, 2009 01:01 AM (EMHaT)

--------

And in both cases Carter and Clinton paid for not sending in more troops. 

Carter was bounced from office in large part because of the hostage crisis, and the Battle of Mogadishu happened in late 1993, and we all knew what happened to Clinton's Democrat Congress in 1994.

So, next week, Barry O denies McChrystal's request for more troops,  and then Afghanistan goes completely to hell in mid-2010. 

Can you imagine the RNC political ads? I'm sure Axelrod and Rahm can.

52
Right now Barry needs to shore up his national security credentials, and sending more troops to Afghanistan is political freebie.  The right will support him, and the left will shrug their shoulders. 

Barry needs a freebie right now, and he'll take this one.

Posted by: DelD at September 21, 2009 01:06 AM (rC+/c)

That really depends on whether his political cynicism outweights his unhinged leftist ideology. And i seriously doubt it does.

And also, your argument works in the opposite direction as well - the right will not take it to the streets on any foreign policy decision, as long as there are no terror acts inside the mainland. And the public opinion is with him on this one. So he can end both wars in the midst of O-commie-care debate with zero political fallout.

53 Obama is everything we thought he would be and more.

This has actually turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

Keep it up Barry, you fucking looser. You in fact have not won, you have initiated the biggest FAIL in modern times.

Our nation will survive despite your assault on it and you will be relegated to the shit pile of irrelevant wanna bee's.

We who matter have found a common voice and we are saying....

SCREW YOU and the acorn you rode in on.

54 If we abandon Afghanistan, India and Pakistan will fight a nuclear war. Pakistan will lose.

55 And you're apparently assuming his blather this morning about not being convinced that there was any strategic purpose served in sending more troops was cover for when he eventually makes the decision.  I think he has made the decision and is just dragging his feet about making it publicly.

Posted by: Methos at September 21, 2009 01:11 AM (EMHaT)

He might be dragging his feet, but if McChrystal asks for it, he'll eventually have to acquiesce.  Democrat President's ask for big trouble when they contradict the desires of their field commanders.  Barry's on the ropes and sending more troops is the default position.  He doesn't have to expend any political capital on it. It might not be what he wants, but he'd be stupid not to do it.

56 Can you imagine the RNC political ads? I'm sure Axelrod and Rahm can.

I expect to hear a lot of the argument about how the Republicans' politicization of the war is demeaning to the troops and disrespectful of the dead.  Which won't actually work, and probably backfire further.  The problem is, I think Axelrod and Rahm would think that it might work.  No, that it must work.  To think otherwise opens both of them up to the truth about why liberals get thrown out of national offices whenever they do the things they really want to do to our country.

57 He doesn't have to expend any political capital on it. It might not be what he wants, but he'd be stupid not to do it.

I do believe you have just made my point.

58

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59

But...but...if Obama sends more troops, Cindy will not be pleased. She's liable to do something drastic like chain herself to the Washington Monument.

He will send some troops, but not enough. This will put off the defeat temporarily, and O will try to get reelected before disaster strikes. 

60 Despite what his inclinations may be and despite what pressure he's getting from the party, he's going to send more troops if for no other reason than if Democrats lose this, it's going to be decades before they live this down.  If they lose this and the Taliban takes over, this will still be in people's minds in the 2052 election.  No matter how deluded some people may be, for him to spend the campaign saying we aren't doing enough in Afghanistan and need to go after Bin Laden . . . and then lose it all--it would be the albatross to beat all albatrosses.

61 We are in the midst of the perfect storm. And President Barack Hazelwood is at the helm.

62 I do believe you have just made my point.

Posted by: Methos at September 21, 2009 01:23 AM (EMHaT)

Sadly, you may well be correct. Barry O might be just stupid enough, just callow and inexperienced enough to ignore McChrystal.

63 My fear is that he'll put in some more troops.

Just not enough. He'll try to split it down the middle and it will be a half assed  measure that will get good guys killed, without getting the job done.

64

So, next week, Barry O denies McChrystal's request for more troops,  and then Afghanistan goes completely to hell in mid-2010. 

Can you imagine the RNC political ads? I'm sure Axelrod and Rahm can.

Posted by: DelD at September 21, 2009 01:14 AM (rC+/c)

Absolutely. He's fucked if he throws in the towel.

65 Maybe he ask the Poland and Czechoslovakia to send in some troops.

66 65 Maybe he ask the Poland and Czechoslovakia to send in some troops.

Posted by: YIKES! at September 21, 2009 01:34 AM (tFrIQ)


LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

67 FLASHBACK, FLASHBACK, FLASHBACK
(link in my screenname)
Iraq
Obama's Stance on Iraq

Barack Obama will work with his military commanders to responsibly end the war in Iraq. Obama will refocus our resources on al Qaeda in Afghanistan and finish the fight with the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11

Resurgent Al Qaeda in Afghanistan: The decision to invade Iraq diverted resources from the war in Afghanistan, making it harder for us to kill or capture Osama Bin Laden and others involved in the 9/11 attacks. Nearly seven years later, the Taliban has reemerged in southern Afghanistan while Al Qaeda has used the space provided by the Iraq war to regroup, train and plan for another attack on the United States. 2007 was the most violent year in Afghanistan since the invasion in 2001. The scale of our deployments in Iraq continues to set back our ability to finish the fight in Afghanistan, producing unacceptable strategic risks.

68

sorry for the question, its not like Afghan gets the same coverage that Iraq did under Bush - what the hell is going on, when did we suddenly find ourselves in an Iraq pre surge situtaion - did Bush leave office and the Taliban's recruitment go throught the roof? Pakistan reports as if AQ is getting smoked like a cheap cigar??? When was the big shift?

69 We won the war in Afghanistan once, we should have left then. It's not a country, it's just a place where armys go to die. The Brits learned that, the Soviets learned that. Just as the French did in Viet Nam. Just an endless war fueled by muslems and heroin. We should just buy all the heroin they can produce and dump it in the ocean, save a lot of lives and probably cost less.

70 Well put, number 69.

71 My information is that we have enough to kill every terrorist in Afghanistan several times over. It is this nation building BS that is killing us.

72 69 We won the war in Afghanistan once, we should have left then. It's not a country, it's just a place where armys go to die. The Brits learned that, the Soviets learned that. Just as the French did in Viet Nam. Just an endless war fueled by muslems and heroin. We should just buy all the heroin they can produce and dump it in the ocean, save a lot of lives and probably cost less.

Posted by: apachewarrior37 at September 21, 2009 02:04 AM (h2BD3)

Why not throttle the snake at both ends and just destroy every poppy farm/farmer we come across?

73 69 We won the war in Afghanistan once, we should have left then. It's not a country, it's just a place where armys go to die. The Brits learned that, the Soviets learned that. Just as the French did in Viet Nam. Just an endless war fueled by muslems and heroin. We should just buy all the heroin they can produce and dump it in the ocean, save a lot of lives and probably cost less.

Posted by: apachewarrior37 at September 21, 2009 02:04 AM (h2BD3)

Um, I actually totally agree with you up until the end (have debated this in other threads quite recently) .... BUT ....

I think dumping hundreds of tons of opium in the ocean is almost as bad a suggestion as paying the taliban for the privilege of doing so.

We need to leave the place, and deal with it without boots on the ground. It's a no win situation.

74
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75 44
I disagree.  Very few leftists are marching in the streets to protest our involvement Afghanistan.  Yes, they'd like to end the Afghan war, but it's not a priority for them. So they just pretend it doesn't exist.

Right now Barry needs to shore up his national security credentials, and sending more troops to Afghanistan is political freebie.  The right will support him, and the left will shrug their shoulders. 

Barry needs a freebie right now, and he'll take this one.

No, the Leftards aren't marching in the street yet.  But the Leftards sitting in Congress have announced their opposition to more troops.  They're not going to shrug their shoulders -- they are hearing bad things from their hard-Left supporters, and their support for more troops won't be a freebie.

76

where is the agent orange when you need it?

77 54 If we abandon Afghanistan, India and Pakistan will fight a nuclear war. Pakistan will lose.

If we abandon Afghanistan, it becomes the base for the Taliban to arm and train for their attacks on Pakistan.  Pakistan's democratic government collapses under the strain, their military is subverted from inside by Taliban sympathizers, and Pakistan falls.  The resulting Afghanistan-Pakistan merged Taliban state then declares war on India and it devolves into a nuclear war.

Meanwhile, in Iran...

78

55 He might be dragging his feet, but if McChrystal asks for it, he'll eventually have to acquiesce. Democrat President's ask for big trouble when they contradict the desires of their field commanders. Barry's on the ropes and sending more troops is the default position. He doesn't have to expend any political capital on it. It might not be what he wants, but he'd be stupid not to do it.

Remember "General Betray-Us?"  I wonder if the new MoveOn.org ad will ask, "Is the General is smoking McChrystal?"

79 Can't you let a brother eat his waffle in peace...you know, being President is kind of a hard job...I got alot on my plate (like this waffle)...

80 It is this nation building BS that is killing us. Exactly. Democracy, Communism or any other form of government won't work where there is no tradition of national government. Now if we just admit we're only there to keep the Taliban contained and not "win" anything it can be used as a training ground for our military. Let the Peace Corps and all the other NGOs have their wet dreams there. If they act up? Well, that's the beauty of air power.

81 "They" meaning the Taliban, not the NGOs.  Then again...

82 Sorry about destroying the country and stuff. I was distracted because I spent over 8 months trying to pick a dog for my kids.

83

Democracy, Communism or any other form of government won't work where there is no tradition of national government.

Apache, Western countries did not have a tradition of national goverment at their formation, they borrowed it from Greeks and Romans.

84

Il Deuce�s Soros plan for the U.S.

 

Item 1: Cancel further purchases of top line fighter aircraft (to save less money than thrown away with ACORN).

Item 2: Cancel ready to be implemented missile defense

Item 3: Declare wars over and leave the Stan and Iraq

Item 4: Cut military troop levels by 50%

Item 5: Eliminate nuclear arsenal

Item 6: Surrender U.S. sovereignty to the U.N. controlled by third world communist shitholes.

85 Now, now, everybody! Obama did say, after all, that the war wouldn't end with King George signing a peace treaty with Gen. Grant aboard the Missouri (or something like that).

What he didn't mention was the Missouri sinking.

86

If we abandon Afghanistan, it becomes the base for the Taliban to arm and train for their attacks on Pakistan.  Pakistan's democratic government collapses under the strain, their military is subverted from inside by Taliban sympathizers, and Pakistan falls.  The resulting Afghanistan-Pakistan merged Taliban state then declares war on India and it devolves into a nuclear war.

Meanwhile, in Iran...

Ooooo, nice cliffhanger. I already know the ending too; chaos, doom, & terror. AWSOME!!!

87
The key is the characterization in the story of the information as Confidential, versus a classification of Secret. Confidential distribution on material this explosive basically says Leak Me, whereas Secret means leak only to the NY Times.

88 No cloud or dum-dum on an overnight topic. I guess Axelrod doesn't pay time and a half?

89

The thing I said when this first came up is that if he is planning on a policy of abandonment that he needs to do it all at once. We don�t need troops in there getting killed just for the purpose of providing him political cover.

 

On another score, it really wouldn�t matter if the Taliban took back over this region IF we took steps to cut off their funding. If it were not for Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and a few odds and ins here and there they and Al Quida would be nothing more than third rate shit heads oppressing people in their own neighborhoods.

 

What we need to be doing is stopping the flow of money to these assholes and closing our borders. But none of the current politicians have the balls to do that.

90 No cloud or dum-dum on an overnight topic. I guess Axelrod doesn't pay time and a half?

I'm busy watching the Japanese DJIA and polls!  Hmmmmm pollllllllllsss

91

My guess is that he knows his popularity and credibility are reeling, and that he doesn't need to add being seen as soft on terror to his list of image problems (another 'distraction'), especially after the promises he made on the campaign trail.

But he will have to use some political capital from the hard left to get any more troops. So, as a ditto to one of the comments above, I think this will end up being some sort of stupid, half baked, politically driven compromise situation.

Obama will ask for more troops than he knows he will get, and Pelosi et al will knock that number back down. Like they are playing poker or something. And you're right, good guys will get killed as a result of the dithering. 

92 Well, if there is a silver lining...Obama has set the bar pretty fucking low for the next owner of the nuclear stockpile.  Assuming there is one (president...I assume the nuclear stockpile will be fine).

93

Item 1: Cancel further purchases of top line fighter aircraft (to save less money than thrown away with ACORN).

Item 2: Cancel ready to be implemented missile defense

Item 3: Declare wars over and leave the Stan and Iraq

Item 4: Cut military troop levels by 50%

Item 5: Eliminate nuclear arsenal

Item 6: Surrender U.S. sovereignty to the U.N. controlled by third world communist shitholes.

 

Item 7.  Destroy the family unit and force children to turn their parents in to the government for transgressions against the state.

Item 8.  Shut down opposition media. 

94 Last week, barry-o said he would not be 'rushed' into a decision in regards to astan. Rushed? Eight months is rushed? A line from Patton, "if he needed 48 hours to make up his mind, he didn't need to command troops" or something like that. This is just political dithering, testing the wind. As someone above said, he will send in some, but not enough, just for political cover.

95 ...he was all about winnin' that war.


Well, sure...but, y'see, that was just that "Campaign Trail Rhetoric" thing I had goin' on, there...

Now, y'know, um...ah...it's like, I'd haveta actually do something...send some troops, an' guns an' stuff...

Can't be doin' that - ol' Hugo or maybe the mullahs or even Putin might not like me so much, if I started in doin' stuff like that.

Gotta keep some perspective, here, y'knowhatImean?

96 "McChrystal provides extensive new details about the Taliban insurgency, which he calls a muscular and sophisticated enemy that uses modern propaganda and systematically reaches into Afghanistan's prisons to recruit members and even plan operations."

Last night, listening to the news coverage of the NYC FBI-cia raid on the Afghan wannabomber, I asked exactly where they plan on putting these terrorists now if not GITMO.

The only logical reason to close GITMO is to plant all the terrorists into the US prison system, "to recruit members and even plan operations."

97 Why don't we just "salt" the Afghanistan poppy fields? Nothing grows where salt has been dumped. Seawater.

98

Good morning. I just skimmed the morning paper.

Headline reads:

Obama say decision of Afghan troops can wait.

Governing is hard.

99

O/T  John Fund (WSJ) was just on F&F and said that there will be big news breaking later today about people in the WH with ties to ACORN.

I thought Breitbart said this blockbuster was NOT about ACORN.

100 No offense to McChrystal, but didn't he know the numbers he would need when he took over and changed how things were done? And we can all agree right now the our president isn't going to approve more troops. Especially with many coming out saying it's not a winnable war. Makes you wonder if it was all planned. At least now we have "saved" that awful war money and can apply it directly to the debt. bwahahahahahah.

101

Item 7.  Destroy the family unit and force children to turn their parents in to the government for transgressions against the state.

Item 8.  Shut down opposition media.

Meanwhile, back on the homefront:

Having destroyed the economy, the workforce, all effective separation between the legislative and executive branches of Gubmint, the effectiveness of constitutional restraints on Gubmint regulation and procedure, and striving ever harder towards the fiscal fantasy-land of "spreading the wealth" to those who work the least but whine the loudest and vote the straight D-ticket most faithfully (and frequently) -

Item 9. Declare all people welcome, regardless of origin or intent, and remove all restrictions against anyone wishing to cross any U.S. border.

-After all, why shouldn't we allow the whole world to share in the crash-and-burn failure that will be the future of the once-proud U.S.A. under the Glorious Rule of The Obamanation & Co.?

102

I'll uh get around to erm investigating uh whether or not to send more troops to the good war where bomb innocent kids, after I get around to reading about um ACORN which I have uh never heard of....

//Barry

103 101 -- Hey, J.S.  Are those bullet points the commie goal list for the US published in the 1962 Congressional Record?  They look to be tweaked a little, but pretty damn close to the list I saw.

104

99 RB,

It could well be that Barry's "director of message", the head of the NEA, and ACORN are all in bed.

105 //socks

106

91 RM,

It is why after reflection I find myself agreeing with George "you damn kids in your jeans" Will on the issue.

Hard enough to lose friends when you know we're doing everything we can....unbearable when you know we aren't.

107

The thought of American victory makes Obama want to puke, even without any emporors or aircraft carriers.

108 "Very few leftists are marching in the streets to protest our involvement Afghanistan."

Now that we are on board with the good war, the only marching we do is because we are in basic & AIT, you chickenhawks.

109

108 223d Protest Bn(provisional),

Hooah....

try levitating AQ with your mid and destroying the opfor with happy harmony waves.

110

USA Today is in fullcourt press mode on trying to sell Obamacles' vision of rocket defense as "brilliant".

They use Russia's proclamation that the policy is "sensible" as "proof".

111 Thanks again Fifty Two Percenters, you god damned retards.

112 The US should start buying all the poppy crops and make some high octane ethanol with it. (I'm pretty sure my SUV would like that).

113 Why doesn't the CIA just introduce AIDS and crack cocaine to the Afghanis to oppress them, like they did with the blacks?

114 Additional example of Affirmative Action failure...

115

Listen, you assholes, if anyone of you mentions LGF over here, I am going to ban you over there.

Got that?

116 Barry will respond to his need to look tough on military matters by firing McChrystal for insubordination for leaking the story.  Then teh One will install a new General and give him three months to analyze the situation and come up with a recommendation.  Oh yeah, and he will give lots of long-winded speeches and interviews saying that he is C-in-C and must not take this shit from anyone in his command, and the Past Tense Media will run lots of navel-gazing stories questioning whether McChrystal's action showed signs of racism.

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No cloud or dum-dum on an overnight topic. I guess Axelrod doesn't pay time and a half?

 They've got to coordinate and get ready for the Briebart drop. They'll be back with the approved spin in a couple of hours.

 

118 I am beginning to wonder if the troop surge in A-stan is related to the Taliban or more of an assessment as to what the situation will look like after a strike on Iran by Israel.

A natural reaction from Iran will be to further destabilize A-stan.  Might also be part of the missile defense analysis; if we know Israel's going all in - then Iran's development timetable is about to be subject to an external reprogramming, reducing the schedule risk associated with the other BMD options.

119 the Briebart drop

Do we have a time for that? I want to move my schedule around a little.

120 Wasn't Afghanistan the right war to fight? Well at least it was during the campaign ... Of course, we now learn that didn't mean anything at all.

121 A-stan was the PC war to fight during Bush. Now it can be called a failure and blamed on Bush. DUH one only inherited it. Not that he ever fixed anything you know. It was a failure due to somebody else's poor planning and isn't any fault of his because he really didn't do anything to fix it.

122 @119 12:00 PM EST

123 When are all the lefty trolls going to volunteer to go to Afghanistan?

After all, the assure all us chickenhawks that Afghanistan was the war that REALLY mattered, not Bush's illegal war in Iraq.

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When are all the lefty trolls going to volunteer to go to Afghanistan?

After all, the assure all us chickenhawks that Afghanistan was the war that REALLY mattered, not Bush's illegal war in Iraq.

They have no interest in a war in Afghanistan either. That was just a handy campaign slogan to throw around so they didn't seem soft on national defense to the squishy middle who would be uncomfortable with a 100% pacafist party line. Now that they are in charge, they want to do just enough to kick the Afghanistan can down the road so they can't get blamed with anything that goes bad.  Afghanistan is really highlighting that "The One" has no idea what he is doing. 

125 Where�s the Beef ?

126 so TOTUS'

127 sorry need coffee! so TOTUS comments Sunday about being 'skeptical' about more troops resulted in someone leaking the report? Does TOTUS have a CLUE how things work in the WH yet? Gee whodathunk a totally inexperienced person could be so clueless? oh yeah we did, carry on and God Bless the Troops and their families...

128 I wonder if Charlie Rangel is going to push for the Draft to be re-instated now that Democrats are running things? 

129

What is more likely:

Obama with his Leftist, anti-war bent and beliefs will commit to a multi-decadenal projection of American power, will increase troop levels in Afghanistan to where they are needed to destroy the enemy, will commit military force to the region to decisively destroy the Taliban - and do all of this contrary to the wishes of his radical base and the Democrats in Congress�

OR

He will half-ass this for another year or so, will figure out some way of withdrawing troops, while declaring some sort of �honorable retreat� or redeployment meme and declare he fulfilled his campaign promise to �win� in Afghanistan?

I think we have the answer to the query.

130 Historical caveat: Generals never have enough boots on the ground. Every American general of the 20th century has always been dissatisfied with the number of troops available. (Okay, the generals in charge of booting Castro's "aid workers" out of Grenada were satisfied with their allotment, but that is the obvious exception to the rule.)

Having mentioned that, i would say that Teh Obamessiah's recent foreign policy (mis)statements give little proof that he is prepared to stick it out in Afghanistan for 4 years, and do the heavy lifting to crush the Taliban and keep Pakistan from changing status to hostile instead of allied. Unlike Iraq, there are no agreements to keep US forces in-country, so he can always declare victory and beat feet from Afghanistan if something  goes wrong.

131 We should definitely spend more lives and treasure in Afghanistan because the Afghanis are so worthy of our assistance. And they do so want us to remain as guests in their country. The Russians killed 1-2 million and did not destroy the enemy, although our support did insure that the radical islamists would win. It may be too late for us to succeed in Afghanistan, the Afghanis see us as occupiers not liberators, that window has been shut and nailed down. The BIG problem is that only 1 out of 3 Americans approve of the war in Afghanistan. The 1 out of 3 that do are not enough to elect a government that will do what they want.

132

To put it in perspective keeping in mind that every loss is important, we have lost 841 warriors in the past eight years which is about the same amount we lost in one day training for the D-day invasion.  The Soviet Union admits to 14500 KIA in that ten year war and the number is probably higher. 

For the same reason we should have not withdrawn from Beruit after the bombing or Somalia, we should not withdraw from Afghanistan, in addition to the strategic proximity to Iran.  If we withdraw it will only embolden Al Queda and every other terrorist organization and terrorist state.  Those in those terrorist states that are presently covertly assisting us will likely abandon that assistance.  Withdrawing would be a big mistake that would haunt us down the road.

133 My sockpuppet should be brought before the world court and be sentenced to life in prison.

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John ryan at September 21, 2009 11:01 AM (gj3cv)

spoken like a true ignorant pussy.

135 Fear not. /s

The WH has announced that they're going have their own group of 'experts' study the situation in Afghanistan, then they'll listen to what the Area Commander has to say.

I shit you not.

136

"As he promised, of course: He would dedicate the troops necessary for victory to Afghanistan. Because he was all about winnin' that war."

"What, you thought I meant an AMERICAN victory??!!"

137

Purple Fury, I agree.  I did not like it when the CIA leaked against President Bush.  I  do not like someone at the Pentagon leaking now.

I also saw a leak that supposwedly McCrystal will quit if his plan is not approved.  I don't like that either.  Its an attempt by soldiers to get their plans approved not on the merits but because of potential political fall-out.  Its a bad road to start on.

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Posted by: harleycowboy at September 21, 2009 09:12 AM (JKGfQ)

TOTUS was never serious about winning in AFG - every statement he ever made about AFG during the campaign showed that he KNEW NOTHING about the conflict. His  posture on AFG is just that -  political posturing.  AFG was the club that  he used to beat up on Iraq so he could still look hawkish (appeasing the squishy middle that he needing to get to 52%)  and at the same time currying favor with the traitor leftists.  It was a cynical strategy that combined with the economic meltdown and McLame as the other nominee, put him over the top.  As much as I understand the strategic and symbolic value of holding the line in AFG, the night he won I knew he was going to f*ck the troops there and I sadly wondered if it would be better get all our guys out of there.  No service members should be asked to fight and die for this POS CinC who cares nothing for their struggle, their sacrifice or their honor.  I listened to him blather on yesterday about having the "right strategy" - more posturing.  The man has no clue what he's doing and is too egotistical to submit to the counsel of his betters in the military.  That's going to get more Americans killed.

I really hope that McChrystal can prevail but I have zero confidnce in the Zero to pull any kind of victory out of this. 

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Obama can do what he likes and the left will support him no matter what.  He owns the black vote, the union vote, the welfare vote, the ACORN child sex slavery vote, and with stimulus spending scheduled for the next few years he knows he will have plenty of money to buy the next elections.  As for Afghanistan, look for Obama to hand the problem over to the UN this week in his speeches, and gradually draw down the US troops there.  Of course, the Taliban and Al-Qaida will be back in power in 6 months, but Obama will not care.

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