Football Player With Down Syndrome Scores Touchdown [dri]

Behind 46-0 late in the fourth quarter Monday, St. Joseph Benton High School (MO) unleashed their ultimate offensive weapon against Maryville: 5-foot-3, 110-pound running back Matt Ziesel. Ziesel, who just happened to have been born with Down syndrome, promptly took the hand-off and dashed 65 yards for a touchdown.

The touching scene was orchestrated by St. Joseph Benton coach Dan McCamy and Maryville defensive coach David McEnaney.

Ive got a special situation, McCamy remembers telling Maryville freshman defensive coach David McEnaney. I know you guys want to get a shutout. Most teams would want a shutout, but in this situation I want to know if maybe you can let one of my guys run in for a touchdown.

Its just amazing how one play can mean so much to one kid and then to a team and then to a community, McCamy said Thursday after practice. And now its spread not just to the community of St. Joseph, but now its spread across the region. How something so simple can impact so many to me, thats the amazing part about it.


The video is below. H/T Lucianne.com

Posted by: xgenghisx at 09:34 PM



Comments

1 lol

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at September 19, 2009 09:39 PM (3L9po)

2 Good on all of 'em.

Posted by: UncleFacts Summoner of Meteors, Overseer of Burghers at September 19, 2009 09:40 PM (vZVv7)

3 wow, they didn't try very hard to make it look convincing did they?

i only say that because it would be even worse if he knew they let him.

that would be insulting

Posted by: kinlaw at September 19, 2009 09:41 PM (uQoU6)

4 Cool.

Very cool.

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 09:42 PM (2rcWN)

5 and yeah, i know i sound like a dick here, but good on 'em; real good

Posted by: kinlaw at September 19, 2009 09:43 PM (uQoU6)

6 Nice gesture, except the coach stupidly blabbed about it. No chance some cruel kids (or their parents) will tease the running back about letting him score, is there?
Moron.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2009 09:44 PM (sey23)

7 He ran pretty well.

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 09:45 PM (2rcWN)

8 sw you made me cry.

Posted by: curious at September 19, 2009 09:46 PM (p302b)

9 God love them all.

Posted by: Boluifer at September 19, 2009 09:46 PM (7FgWm)

10 There are good people in this country. It's nice to reminded of it.

My husband was born in Maryville and grew up in St. Joseph. It's a wonderful part of America.

Posted by: Miss Marple at September 19, 2009 09:49 PM (UQado)

11 It would have been hillarious if he'd have done a TO type in your face end zone swagger..

Posted by: KZnextzone at September 19, 2009 09:52 PM (uG2AK)

12 Obama will find a way to mock this Monday night on Letterman.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 19, 2009 09:53 PM (ErrPB)

13 Insulting is right. And he does know even if he can't identify that he knows. I know that I'm outside the mainstream on this but I've never liked that kind of feelgood promotion. -now I've never tried to raise a child with down syndrome either so I recognize that I don't know all about this situation- but at the tail end of this video, as the players of both teams turn to walk off the field, I have to wonder what they're thinking, how they'll digest this little 'life lesson.' Youth sports are supposed to promote positive values; what values are instilled here?

Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 09:53 PM (wJ0OF)

14 Wonderful! I think they should have kept it "mum" though...

Posted by: St Alfonso at September 19, 2009 09:53 PM (nRUFW)

15 As the dad of a special needs child, the dream of seeing him score his first touchdown was replaced long ago with dreaming of just hearing him speak.

I'm very happy for everyone involved in this story.

Posted by: Andy at September 19, 2009 09:54 PM (VMyjP)

16 No y-not, not "stupid", not a "moron". More like a decent man who did a decent thing for a decent kid . Try and let these people have the joy that comes out of something like this, ok?

Posted by: rickinstl at September 19, 2009 09:56 PM (d2hBP)

17 13,

The game was over. It was time to do something to make a young man happy.

Sheesh.

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 09:56 PM (2rcWN)

18 did you see my Gateway Pundit link? You bloggers are to blame for the apparent non success of the health care plan.

Posted by: curious at September 19, 2009 09:58 PM (p302b)

19 A Person has to know their limits.. a Clint Eastwood Quote, from a dirty harry.
Not to be down on this kid. cool i say.
But look at what this type of thinking does for Obummer.
Here Ya Go, Go Get A touchdown. Champ! Another! Champ!
But, Bummers not playing football.

Posted by: lowest strata of society at September 19, 2009 09:59 PM (M58ua)

20 Original,
You're off base here. You never let a really little kid get over on you and watched the look on their face? The kind of kid that would tease him later would be a social aberrant. This was a good thing and it reminds people there are good people out there. Being a skeptic is good being a cynic is a misarable existance.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 19, 2009 10:00 PM (qfb86)

21 Awesome. And I thought too that he ran pretty well.

Posted by: changer1701 at September 19, 2009 10:00 PM (rrLGs)

22 original signed, I hear you and had a twinge of the same thought. The contrived story doesn't come close to matching something like J. Mac, but I think the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Posted by: Andy at September 19, 2009 10:01 PM (VMyjP)

23 Er, was it really all that bright of the coach to have himself quoted in the freakin' paper that the whole thing was orchestrated? I think it's great that they set something up so the kid could have his moment, but don't fuck it up by telling everyone about it!

Posted by: Eric at September 19, 2009 10:02 PM (NDEVT)

24 >>what values are instilled here?
"Take the ball and run with it"?

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at September 19, 2009 10:02 PM (LYTPf)

25 I love it! Very cool!

Posted by: JennyC at September 19, 2009 10:03 PM (DTQIE)

26 >>what values are instilled here?
That folks of good will exist and do support you?

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at September 19, 2009 10:04 PM (LYTPf)

27 I'm going to agree with comment 13. Stuff like this cheapens the accomplishments of anybody who actually overcomes a handicap.

Want to make the kid feel good? How about treating him with respect all the time instead of making him the centerpiece of a one-time stunt.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 19, 2009 10:04 PM (tNDQh)

28 17,
Right, "the game is over so it doesn't matter what we do now" is exactly the sort of sentiment that is supposed to be discouraged by the values of discipline, perseverance and fair play that are supposed to be at the forefront here.

Now look, I've already said I don't know it all but I'm not going to just fall in line because it's "just the right thing" or whatever. To those who are happy about it, are you really satisfied that the good here outweighs the bad? Are you willing to recognize the (potentially at the very least) negative consequences of this play?

Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 10:06 PM (wJ0OF)

29 28,

Where in this story do you find evidence that this young man not treated with respect all of the time?

Go play with your Skynet play set.

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 10:06 PM (2rcWN)

30 Unless that school only has 200 students, making the squad, even as a 2nd or 3rd stringer was the real accomplishment.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 19, 2009 10:07 PM (kWDAJ)

31 i cried. and the accomplishment is not even with the young man with the disability, but the feeling of pride that the opposing young boys will feel today or certainly later in life when they say "hey, sometimes it takes only a minute to change someone's life for the better."

Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 19, 2009 10:07 PM (TEIZr)

32 I'd agree with Comrade Arthur at #28 if it wasn't a special needs kid. Too bad this guy had to let everyone know what a great guy he was by staging it. Does he assume that a kid with Down's Syndrome can't read? News flash: many (most?) of them can!

Posted by: Eric at September 19, 2009 10:09 PM (NDEVT)

33 i bet the disabled's team mates love him most all of the time. they probably didn't have alot of time for him when they were discussing dates or parties or the like, but even asshole youngsters can recognize goodness when it suits up in the locker room with them.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 19, 2009 10:09 PM (TEIZr)

34 29,

Yeah, chaos will run amuck now.

Robot.

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 10:09 PM (2rcWN)

35 @32

+1

Posted by: Andy at September 19, 2009 10:10 PM (VMyjP)

36 >>instead of making him the centerpiece of a one-time stunt.
You've convinced me!Make-A-Wish can suck the pipe, baby.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at September 19, 2009 10:10 PM (LYTPf)

37 What's a touchdown? Did someone score one?

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at September 19, 2009 10:10 PM (5I0Yr)

38 I can't believe people are finding things to nit pick about this. I'm sure it made the kid feel great...why isn't that enough?

Posted by: changer1701 at September 19, 2009 10:11 PM (rrLGs)

39 that young man just made a "compassionate" conservative out of me.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 19, 2009 10:11 PM (TEIZr)

40 What's a touchdown? Did someone score one?
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi

Yes, Nancy.

You did. Now go back to sleep.

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 10:11 PM (2rcWN)

41 bomber,
no, what values are the other 21 players on the field (and those who are sitting on the bench because they aren't good enough to play but not bad enough to be given a freebie) learning? Matt is not the only one out there for this play.

Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 10:12 PM (wJ0OF)

42 See the way he nonchalantly flipped the ball back to the ref after? Most of the NFL could learn something from this kid.

Posted by: libbyt at September 19, 2009 10:12 PM (5I0Yr)

43 Wow did I ever get the shaft!

Posted by: Ephialtes at September 19, 2009 10:13 PM (3L9po)

44 42,

That it's just a game?

Matt's happiness is important, too?

There's always room for love and kindness?

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 10:14 PM (2rcWN)

45 changer1701,
because there's more to life than feelings. And an artificial feel good setup can easily do more harm than good - now maybe this wasn't an example of that but the "don't question the feelgoods" attitude is what has me (and I think a few others) balking.

Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 10:15 PM (wJ0OF)

46 I'm guessingmaybe you had to be there.

Posted by: sherlock at September 19, 2009 10:16 PM (L4jPh)

47 no, what values are the other 21 players on the field (and those who are sitting on the bench because they aren't good enough to play but not bad enough to be given a freebie) learning? Matt is not the only one out there for this play.Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 10:12 PM
You're missing the point. The other kids, starters and bench warmers, I'm sure saw the value in letting this kid have this memory.

Posted by: Eric at September 19, 2009 10:17 PM (NDEVT)

48 I'm with the wet blankets on this one, with the caveat that yeah, I'm sure everyone meant it to be a wonderful thing. The thing is, handing someone a victory on the cheap hurts that person in the long run, either through setting him up with unrealistic expectations, or discouraging him from training to be the best he can be. Yeah, it's a nice feel good story, but like most feel-good stuff, it's empty calories. I hate joining the wet blankets on this, but it's my honest opinion that I'd keep to myself were the kid in earshot.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at September 19, 2009 10:17 PM (pZEar)

49 His is how the Huskies beat USC

Posted by: BuckNutty at September 19, 2009 10:18 PM (lArRj)

50 Jesus man. They're learning that helping those who are disadvantaged is a good thing.That they don't have to be hardcore assholes all the time. That they have the power to change the lives of others by their own deeds.WTF do you think they're learning? That this kid is really getting ahead by having Downs? Why not unclench for 5 minutes and let them enjoy this thing without judging it as if you are the arbiter of all things?

Posted by: rickinstl at September 19, 2009 10:18 PM (d2hBP)

51 I don't want to sound like a jerk but I have mixed feelings about this.

Yes, I'm really glad that some sunshine was brought into the kid's life and it's nice to know that there are compassionate people out there but there's a nagging part of me that insists that things like this are wrong because it strikes, in a way, at concepts like integrity and competition.

Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at September 19, 2009 10:19 PM (cPSW9)

52 I hope he doesn't find out that it was a setup.Why couldn't the guy keep quiet?

Posted by: steevy at September 19, 2009 10:21 PM (qWxKt)

53 Obamacare would've killed that play i.e. it would've never happened since that kid would've been aborted. I know this because his science czar said so.

Posted by: CDR M at September 19, 2009 10:21 PM (cvmTR)

54 I LOL'd, I'm going straight to hell.

Posted by: Tokin42 at September 19, 2009 10:22 PM (mBjK6)

55 Also, I agree with St. Alfonso, I don't see the point in 1) making this public or 2) having the coaches talk about how they staged it.

Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at September 19, 2009 10:22 PM (cPSW9)

56 I don't doubt the good intentions, but I think the issue is whether the lad is sufficiently self-aware to know when he is being handed a freebie. My guess is that he is, and for that reason, I'm not sure this was the mast enlightened of gestures.

Posted by: floofy!ParisParamus at September 19, 2009 10:23 PM (AXVLO)

57 Likely just about everybody gets a rule bent or broken for them sometime in life. Sometimes you know about it, sometimes you don't. Sometimes it's for good reasons, sometimes it's not.

Life is too short to get all bent out of shape about this.

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 10:24 PM (2rcWN)

58 integrity and competition
In the last minutes of a 46-0 freshman football game.
Yeah, lots of scholarships went downout the windowon that play.

Posted by: rickinstl at September 19, 2009 10:24 PM (d2hBP)

59 Not to be down on the kid, but this is a stunt that coaches pull to pat themselves on the back. happened in Bridgeport/Frankenmuth MI 4 or 5 years ago. Not new. Good for the kid, but the coaches wanted the recognition for themselves, not for the team or the player. If not, then why did he blab? Do a search, and I'm sure every state in the union (all 57 of 'em) have a similar story.

Posted by: Dr. Evil at September 19, 2009 10:25 PM (ldUfN)

60 Indeed, keeping it a secret would have been better.

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 10:25 PM (2rcWN)

61 >>no, what values are the other 21 players on the field (and those who are sitting on the bench because they aren't good enough to play but not bad enough to be given a freebie) learning? Matt is not the only one out there for this play.
In a word? Magnamimity.
Its kinda out of fashion these days. Maybe you noticed.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at September 19, 2009 10:25 PM (LYTPf)

62 Nice story.

Posted by: Amused Observer at September 19, 2009 10:25 PM (EbqoB)

63 52 I don't want to sound like a jerk but I have mixed feelings about this.Yes, I'm really glad that some sunshine was brought into the kid's life and it's nice to know that there are compassionate people out there but there's a nagging part of me that insists that things like this are wrong because it strikes, in a way, at concepts like integrity and competition.
Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at September 19, 2009 10:19 PM

I'm guessing that the school isn't highly competitive in the first place, and that's why they made a place for Matt on the team. 5'3" and 110lbs...do you think a non-Downs kid with those attributes would be on the team? Not very likely.

Posted by: Eric at September 19, 2009 10:25 PM (NDEVT)

64 holy balls, rick, how many times do I have to say that I've got my doubts about whether this wasn't worth it overall and don't know everything for you not to accuse me of some "arbiter of all things" BS? I say somebody has to question this if only because so many are too stuck on "yay! happy feeling! good!" to even give it a critical thought.

like eman for example. If you'd just consider that there are negatives, then we could have a discussion about how the positives might outweigh them but no everything is perfect because one kid got to feel good. there's no chance that any of the other 50 or so involved had a bad net takeaway from the event.

Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 10:26 PM (wJ0OF)

65 there is no bigger bitch in America than I (ok, ok, Nancy Pelosi Barbara Boxer are bigger bitches, but they live in CA that doesn't even count).
there is no one with the fasterkneejerk response: what? too poor to buy fuel oil in Minnesota in February? tough sh*t.
but, other than the bragging coaches (jerry jones wannabes), this is a story that we should all be proud of.
see, Downs children have no malice. they want to please. this boy will always feel happy about it, but he is so proud to have scored the touchdown for his team, his school, his community. everyone at the school knows this child knows this.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 19, 2009 10:27 PM (TEIZr)

66 Alright shift's over. Night, all.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at September 19, 2009 10:28 PM (LYTPf)

67 Magnamimity.

Thanks for saying that. I was sitting here wondering what these things represent when people can get emotionally supportive of emotional gestures during competition. Obviously it goes against competitive spirit, but it's actions like this are overwhelming supported by fans and players, so clearly sports have a bigger message inherent then just "win". I know they do for me, but I don't want to draw generalizations from my own personality. Magnanimity - I think you hit it on the head; generosity from strength.

Posted by: Amused Observer at September 19, 2009 10:28 PM (EbqoB)

68 Dr Evil, is your doctorate in mindreading? I doubt that you know any of the people involved in any of these stories. So why do you feel qualified to assign motives? This coach is a hell of a lot closer to the player than you'll ever be. Why insist on impugning his motiviation? What you call a "stunt", used to be called a "good deed". Is it really so hard for you to allow a good deed to happen?

Posted by: rickinstl at September 19, 2009 10:29 PM (d2hBP)

69 I was angry when Favre gave Strahan the sack record(remember that the game would have ended but Favre kept the ball instead of handing off to the back and let Strahan get him without that play Strahan only ties the record.).I was angry about that girl basketball player being allowed to lay the ball in to set a record.This play I have no problem with,except the coach opening his mouth which makes me think it was for his own accolades,I hope the kid doesn't find out.

Posted by: steevy at September 19, 2009 10:30 PM (qWxKt)

70 >>Thanks for saying that
Hey, you could've corrected the spelling. LOL
/out

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at September 19, 2009 10:30 PM (LYTPf)

71 This reminds me of "Harrison Bergeron"
by Kurt Vonnegut (1961)

instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They werent only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

Some things about living still werent quite right, though. April, for instance, still drove people crazy by not being springtime. And it was in that clammy month that the H-G men took George and Hazel Bergerons fourteen-year-old son, Harrison, away.

It was tragic, all right, but George and Hazel couldnt think about it very hard...

Posted by: stumpy at September 19, 2009 10:31 PM (ZBeai)

72 59
integrity and competition
In the last minutes of a 46-0 freshman football game.
Yeah, lots of scholarships went downout the windowon that play.
Rick, I know people have differing opinions on this, but I always remember what a junior high football coach of mine used to say; that you should always play your hardest and give 100% whether the score is tied, you're up by 40 or down by twenty. It's simply a matter of respect for yourself, your teammates, your opponents, and the game.
Anyway, yeah, I wouldn't have as much a problem with this regardless if the coach's didn't feel the need to tell everybody about what a great thing they did.

Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at September 19, 2009 10:33 PM (cPSW9)

73 58
Likely just about everybody gets a rule bent or broken for them
sometime in life. Sometimes you know about it, sometimes you don't.
Sometimes it's for good reasons, sometimes it's not.

Life is too short to get all bent out of shape about this.

Who's all bent out of shape? whether or not this was for good reasons and for the best overall happens to be the matter at hand in this discussion. Others have made far more assured pronouncements than mine but I get flamed to hell because I question the play. But now it's "oh, let it go you're getting bent out of shape. Maybe good maybe bad, whatever."
Negative. If 10 people can say "oh this is wonderful I'm so happy that they did this great thing." I can say "maybe this wasn't such a great thing." I'm not going to just turn off my brain because of some happy feelings.

Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 10:37 PM (wJ0OF)

74 Yeah original, you're just asking questions.
Like this one - wonder what they're thinking, how they'll digest this little 'life lesson.' Youth sports are supposed to promote positive values; what values are instilled here?
To put it another way, you don't see the benefit in teaching young men that they can give a special moment to a weaker fellow man. Ok, fair enough. Although I'd point out that self-sacrifice and compassion used to be considered adult and chivalrous. Manly even. If there's no room for those values where you live, that's your loss.

Posted by: rickinstl at September 19, 2009 10:40 PM (d2hBP)

75 Posted by: stumpy at September 19, 2009 10:31 PM (ZBeai)

Columbia was reading a lot of Kurt vonnegut when he was there, a lot.

Posted by: curious at September 19, 2009 10:41 PM (p302b)

76 I'm a bad person.

I was looking for a late hit in the end zone.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at September 19, 2009 10:44 PM (/O0iM)

77 thanks, TimeBomb, you say it better than I can. And I completely agree that it's the bragging (or whatever it is) about the unquestionable skittle unicorny wonderfulness of it all that sets off alarms and makes me question it in the first place. If I happened to be at the game and this takes place, it's not like I'm storming the field demanding they take it back. But I don't think this coach should be so damn sure that he's a hero.

Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 10:45 PM (wJ0OF)

78 76: Curious, you got my point.

Posted by: stumpy at September 19, 2009 10:45 PM (ZBeai)

79 I think this is how Obama won most of his elections.

Posted by: Che Pizza at September 19, 2009 10:47 PM (4iIhs)

80 What the fuck was in that video? I've got something in my eye now.

And you naysayers oughta pull your dicks out of the chicken and chill out.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 19, 2009 10:48 PM (vrMnM)

81 Good on the teamand the coach. That showed class.

Posted by: Bill R. at September 19, 2009 10:51 PM (EhlQq)

82 #80 Che
Nono. You don't get to draw any correlation between Captain Bullshit and any athlete. Kick youself in the balls and takea 20 minute timeout.

Posted by: Tangonine at September 19, 2009 10:52 PM (C8Pcc)

83 hey rick, how about you have a civil discussion without the outrageous ad hominems or you keep a civil tongue in your head? Your coming at me way over the top, man.
Guess what? I do value self-sacrifice and compassion. How about that, eh? It may be eye-opening to consider the possibility of questioning the wisdom of this coaches choice while continuing to hold those values. Unintended consequences matter too and this football game wasn't just a stage (and the rest of the players not just extras) for one coach and one player to have their feel good moment. It's not a given that they all found this to be a wonderful experience and it's not outrageous to think that they might be getting tome mixed messages.

Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 10:53 PM (wJ0OF)

84 I doubt this will have a negative impact on his teammates or those on the other team. What I got from it was a team and its rival came together to lift up a student with Downs. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure what good just having him sit on the bench would've done. And I don't see how the coaches were in the wrong by talking about it, either. It sounds like it became a very big deal in that community and they told everyone how it went down.

Maybe I'm just not in the right mindset to be a cynic about this at present. Looks like a great story to me, that's all.

Posted by: changer1701 at September 19, 2009 10:53 PM (rrLGs)

85 ill take a wild shot here and assume that the negative posters dont actually know anyone with disabilities......grow a heart guys, stop pissin all over this with your attempts at devils advocacy...... sometimes ya just gatta let "feel goodmoments" be what they are , a damn good thing....go ahead guys , let the feelings flow, you dont have to be an analytical prick your WHOLE life , take tonight off

Posted by: graveyard at September 19, 2009 11:00 PM (LEk0b)

86 2010 draft , the raiders select running back Matt Ziesel !

Posted by: uncle-rico at September 19, 2009 11:03 PM (+ijN3)

87 2014 nfl draft
the raiders select running back Matt Ziesel !

Posted by: uncle-rico at September 19, 2009 11:05 PM (+ijN3)

88 87
2010 draft , the raiders select running back Matt Ziesel !
Posted by: uncle-rico at September 19, 2009 11:03 PM (+ijN3)
Funny, because it's probably true.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at September 19, 2009 11:06 PM (/O0iM)

89 The kid ran his best. Looking forward, and back sometimes. he was surrounded by his team mates ready to block for him. That's what he will take away from this moment. Acceptence by his team and peers. I agree the coaches did a great thing here, and they could have been even bigger men by keeping this a "secret".
Sometimes this blog challenges my intellect and hurts my skull thing. Other times I get a little choked up by mans ability to do selfless things for the sake of humanity.
BTW...would it have been too much to ask the cheerleaders to flash this touchdown hero?

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 19, 2009 11:07 PM (FM5TE)

90 Sure, graveyard. Enjoy the Feel good moment of now.

But where does it end? Who gets to say so, at any other people's expense?

You?
Me?
The agents of the United States Handicapper General?

Posted by: stumpy at September 19, 2009 11:08 PM (ZBeai)

91 16
No y-not, not "stupid", not a "moron". More like a decent man who did
a decent thing for a decent kid . Try and let these people have the
joy that comes out of something like this, ok?

Posted by: rickinstl at September 19, 2009 09:56 PM (d2hBP)
Gee, I was always taught that a good deed was diminished if I took credit for it.
I am not arguing against the gesture, simply the self-promotion of talking to the media about it.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2009 11:08 PM (sey23)

92 86
ill take a wild shot here and assume that the negative posters dont actually know anyone with disabilities.

My first job was working with a group of developmentally delayed kids in a group home.

Why did the coach need to take credit for this again?

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2009 11:10 PM (sey23)

93 yeah I'm not just a Moron(tm) but also an asshole. But this did put a lump in my throat.
Gotta second Graveyard on this.

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 19, 2009 11:10 PM (FM5TE)

94 BTW...would it have been too much to ask the cheerleaders to flash this touchdown hero?

Posted by: hutch1200

Of course! A serious omission.

Posted by: eman at September 19, 2009 11:12 PM (2rcWN)

95 Freshmen Football = 14 year old cheerleaders in our district.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at September 19, 2009 11:15 PM (/O0iM)

96 (y-not) sounds to me your upset with the coach and his motives so your analytical prickishness gets a pass I suppose (I too have a penchant for seeing all the angles on things ..damn technicalities)....but all the rest of you heartless ogres are taking the express lane to hell right now....move out the way guys and let em type...satans waiting on them

Posted by: graveyard at September 19, 2009 11:17 PM (LEk0b)

97
Freshmen Football = 14 year old cheerleaders Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at September 19, 2009 11:15 PM (/O0iM)
Those were the days........................I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at September 19, 2009 11:18 PM (3IZGh)

98 Put me in the group of people who DIDN'T cry. Look, they treated that kid like a stupid mascot. Do you really think he's not going to find out that the whole thing was staged? So, how's he going to feel then? Hmmmm? With the best of intentions, they have rubbed it into this kid's face that he can't accomplish anything. But that's not true. Within his sphere of abilities he can accomplish great things. He overcome great challenges. Being on the team, helping out, competing, being there everyday, is a great accomplishment. I know many "fully-able" people who struggle with even doing that.
Praise him for what HE accomplishes. Don't praise him for what YOU give him.

Posted by: PackerBronco at September 19, 2009 11:19 PM (P4hZq)

99 Yeah, gotta be honest, I didn't like it much either. On the one hand, I can imagine the joy the kid must have felt, and I can appreciate the generosity of the other players. On the other hand, this kind of thing seems, well, patronizing.

ill take a wild shot here and assume that the negative posters dont actually know anyone with disabilities

I am disabled.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 19, 2009 11:21 PM (9xiOC)

100 Please, let's not play the politics of identity. There is a legitimate discussion here and it should not be bogged down in "well, I bet you don't know anybody..." or that kind of nonsense.

I'm sure most of us do know somebody disabled and even if we didn't it has nothing to do with the validity of our opinions.

Let the liberals blindly shout "racist" and "heartless" at people, not us.

Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at September 19, 2009 11:25 PM (cPSW9)

101 (y-not) sounds to me your upset with the coach and his motives

Actually, I don't even ascribe bad motives to him talking about it - just thoughtlessness (hence the 'moron' label).

Although I chafe at some of these sorts of gestures a bit, I really do think the main lesson for the players (on both teams) is that football is just a game and there are more important things in life, like having a healthy life and promising future. So I don't see anything particularly wrong with this... assuming that the players got to help make the decision to do this.

Having said that, I think simply allowing the back to run a play without rigging the result would have achieved the same thing while preserving the young man's dignity and the 'integrity' of the game. I assume he'd never played a down before. Isn't it traditional with a lot of HS and college teams who let the backup seniors run a few plays at the end of the season (or in a big game)? I'm sure I've seen that in college games.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2009 11:26 PM (sey23)

102 PackerBronco said more bluntly what I was trying to get across. I was trying to say, but couldn't find the right words, that patronizing people with disabilities is refusing to acknowledge them as a person. I think Y-not is suggesting that the coach was treating him as an object he could use to make himself feel good and get some publicity, and like PackerBronco says, they were treating him like a mascot. Not like a person with inherent dignity.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 19, 2009 11:27 PM (9xiOC)

103 see, Downs children have no malice. they want to please.

Downs kids are so sweet and loving. Even if he did know he was being played, he'd realize the gesture was a kind one.

As others have said, the fact that he was on the team at all indicates that this is a small school with an non-competitive, no-cut program. If we're talking about a team vying for the state championship, I'd disagree with this, but in this instance? Why not? Nobody's going to the NFL or getting a scholarship here. I understand the "integrity of sport" argument, but the life lesson in this instance is more important

Posted by: ombudsman at September 19, 2009 11:28 PM (FQc3R)

104 sorry, didn't see 102 before I posted 103. That's not what Y-not is saying. But I'll say it. I don't think it was intentional, but I also think that feel-good stuff like this doesn't really treat the person you're ostensibly benefiting as a person.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 19, 2009 11:29 PM (9xiOC)

105 100...but you FELT something and thats what I was talking about.....damnall that other "yeah but" nonsense ,

Posted by: graveyard at September 19, 2009 11:30 PM (LEk0b)

106 So here's a question. What are the liability issues, if any, with allowing a student whom the coaches apparently felt was unable to perform safely for even one (real) play on the field?

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2009 11:31 PM (sey23)

107 Put me in the group of people who DIDN'T cry. Look, they treated
that kid like a stupid mascot. Do you really think he's not going to
find out that the whole thing was staged? So, how's he going to feel
then? Hmmmm? With the best of intentions, they have rubbed it into this
kid's face that he can't accomplish anything. But that's not true.
Within his sphere of abilities he can accomplish great things. He
overcome great challenges. Being on the team, helping out, competing,
being there everyday, is a great accomplishment. I know many
"fully-able" people who struggle with even doing that.
Praise him for what HE accomplishes. Don't praise him for what YOU give him.


Good points. Now I'm not so sure what I think

Posted by: ombudsman at September 19, 2009 11:32 PM (FQc3R)

108 >> I was trying to say, but couldn't find the right words, that
patronizing people with disabilities is refusing to acknowledge them as
a person.

Then letting them on the football team in the first place is patronizing them and refusing to acknowledge as a person.

Does the same rule apply say where a father is wrestling with his boys and he doesn't pin them into submission with his exponentially superior strength? Is that patronizing?

Posted by: Amused Observer at September 19, 2009 11:33 PM (EbqoB)

109 Does the same rule apply say where a father is wrestling with his boys
and he doesn't pin them into submission with his exponentially superior
strength? Is that patronizing?
No, that's teaching. The boy will kick his as... er, backside one day.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2009 11:34 PM (sey23)

110 The coach explained in the article about how he and the other coach came to an agreement, along with their players to let this kid have his moment. Since when did that become some evil self promotion. Some of you come from a lemon sucking convention or something?

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 19, 2009 11:35 PM (wMpIj)

111 > ill take a wild shot here and assume that the negative posters dont actually know anyone with disabilities

Your wild shot is a miss, on my part at least for those with "mental" disabilities.

The few I've known do understand their own limits, know what is going on around them, and resent others assuming them being overly stupid.

They do enjoy their honest hard work and want recognition for their efforts - just like anyone else.

Don't demean them by pretentious false accomplishments.


Posted by: stumpy at September 19, 2009 11:37 PM (ZBeai)

112 We are living in Obama's "feel good moment." Those of you with talent and accomplishment will be given more and more opportunities to share them with those who are just doing their best and running as hard as they can. You will receive these opportunities according to you ability, and they will get their magic moments according to their need. In a word, magma-mimidy. Whatever.
Myacross-the-street neighbor, who I was in school with all through junior high and high school, has that cruelly-twisted-arm and drag-a-leg syndrome. Talks slow, too. He was a manager for two teams at each school, multiple letterman, good luck mascot for the jocks and all-round BMOC. There was an example of an actual opportunity being made for a disabled student. All the things his position called for, he actually could do, without anyone playing pretend and patting him on the head, and he did those things. He picked up a couple of skills anda lot of confidence, and nobody winks and gets the giggles when he walks the dog while wearing his oldvarsity sweater.

Posted by: comatus at September 19, 2009 11:37 PM (+Fcaz)

113 >>No, that's teaching.

What is it teaching? And why is it okay to have kids with disabilities on teams in the first place? That seems pretty darn patronizing if you are just going to treat them like 2nd class the whole time.

I don't want to anticipate your answer, but let me just add on:

I see something like this and it makes me think that 1 - guy comes out for football and has a dream of playing football. Suits up, does the grunt work, etc. For disability reasons, dream is unrealistic. Other kids/coaches say we can make this dream come alive for a moment at no expense to us. and stuff like this happens. I don't really see that as patronizing. The point about the story getting back to the kid and devaluing it well made, but this is goodheartedness, imo.

Posted by: Amused Observer at September 19, 2009 11:39 PM (EbqoB)

114 Since when did that become some evil self promotion.
Some of us are concerned that the young man will become aware of the stunt and feel badly about it. I'm sure the coach(es) spoke out of enthusiasm or good feelings, but it's naive for them to assume that the player won't either find out about it on his own or get teased by some jerk about it.
I still don't see why they couldn't have him run a play without rigging the outcome. Couldn't they have instructed the opponents to 'bear hug' tackle or ride him out of bounds - assuming they were afraid of injury - instead of telling them to let him score? Under my scenario the young man would've experienced the same type of nice gesture that bench-warmers in teams around the country experience at the end of the season or at the end of their high school or college playing 'careers.'

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2009 11:39 PM (sey23)

115 I'm guessing that the school isn't highly
competitive in the first place, and that's why they made a place for
Matt on the team. 5'3" and 110lbs...do you think a non-Downs kid with
those attributes would be on the team? Not very likely.

Posted by: Eric at September 19, 2009 10:25 PM (NDEVT)

Eric, I was 5'10 and 160 - soaking wet holding a brick, and as a sophomore I was starting Varsity NOSE GUARD. Yes, Our team sucked, but no, it isn't outside of the realm of possibility that he made the team. I've seen lots of little schools where practically the entire male population of the school is on the team.

Posted by: todler at September 19, 2009 11:41 PM (2lGk0)

116 Then letting them on the football team in the first place is patronizing them and refusing to acknowledge as a person.

Pretty much, yeah. Especially if he does have the mental capacity to realize he's being patronized.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 19, 2009 11:42 PM (9xiOC)

117 And why is it okay to have kids with disabilities on teams in the first
place? That seems pretty darn patronizing if you are just going to
treat them like 2nd class the whole time.
We're honestly drifting outside my realm of experience... I was never on a sports team, so I truly don't know how some kids make the team without the talent to play, but I know they do - and not just Down syndrome kids.
I guess what I'd say is that I see no problem giving him a chance to play a down. There's no lack of dignity in that. He was on the team, suited up, and should certainly be able to contribute in a game that was out of reach anyway... just like any bench player.
There is a lack of dignity (in my opinion) to being allowed to score. It puts him at risk for some serious teasing which I don't think would be true if he just ran a real play.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2009 11:45 PM (sey23)

118 She's a 14 year old cheerleader..but I tell ya,s h'e got the ass of a 9 year old! Old Cheech and Chong pervert thing.
Maybe he'll cherish that Jersey for life. Perhaps this is a small town school where they will pat him on the back on the halls come Monday. That is my hope.
Compared to the shit they teach in school this may be the best lesson ever.
This is not a case of passing stupid/lazy kids onto the next grade to preserve their "self esteem". This is not a scoreless little league game where everybody gets a trophy. That's bullshit. On that we can all agree.

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 19, 2009 11:46 PM (FM5TE)

119 Did it ever occur to you that that coach and all the players that actually know the kid, and have played and worked with him, probably daily all this time, would know him well enough to judge whether or not this was a good idea?

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 19, 2009 11:47 PM (wMpIj)

120 120

Did it ever occur to you that given that we live in a world where moms try to kill their cheerleader daughter's rivals, there might be some jerks out there who will ridicule this kid over the rigged TD? Whether they know the player well or not, they certainly are not able to predict how cruel people may be. It wasn't necessary to let him score. Just let him play a down.

Posted by: Y-not at September 19, 2009 11:51 PM (sey23)

121 Fluffy, I like the cut of your jib. Arrhhggg.
We've got 8 minutes of pirate day left. lets not waste it!

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 19, 2009 11:53 PM (FM5TE)

122 >>For disability reasons, dream is unrealistic.

Yeah. I have a few of those. For example, I'd love to be an astronaut. Well, I can't. So I accept that and dedicate my career to putting other people in space and keeping them safe.

I'm really trying to stay calm here, but the idea of people feeling sorry for me because I can't be an astronaut and, I don't know, getting me a ride on Virgin Galactic or something, is absolutely infuriating.

Ok, I've had my say...I'm going to go to bed. Bottom line: Matt had a great day, and a lot of people with very good intentions helped make that happen, and no one wants to see his feelings hurt.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 19, 2009 11:53 PM (9xiOC)

123 >>Pretty much, yeah. Especially if he does have the mental capacity to realize he's being patronized.

In light of this (thanks for honest answer), I would suggest to you that the underlying attraction in sports for kids is not winning and losing. Absolutely winning programs have easier time attracting participants, but teams that are perenially losers get kids to suit up. I suggest that the sports attracts kids for other reasons, additionally, not only, and that as adults if we project the views of adulthood onto kids we miss the bigger picture. I'm not a bleeding heart lib, what I'm saying is that to me teamwork, hard work paying off, etc are things that are more important lessons to kids - they attract them to sports just as the physical aspect of the sport does.

Again, I get the point about the story getting back to him. But I've been fortunate to be somewhat skilled as an athlete and I've never regretted congratulating an opponent on good play, etc, but I have regretted trying to destroy someone for pride's sake. But I don't want to paint too large a stroke from what just may be my own personality. I simply think that sports represent more then I > You, so I don't really see You succeeding in a personal dream as patronizing. Especially in a case like these where it is at no one's expense.

Posted by: Amused Observer at September 19, 2009 11:55 PM (EbqoB)

124 >>It puts him at risk for some serious teasing which I don't think would be true if he just ran a real play.

If he does get teased, the football team has his back.

Posted by: Amused Observer at September 19, 2009 11:57 PM (EbqoB)

125 Yeah, if that stupid coach hadn't said anythingNOBODY would have EVER guessed that the play was a setup, what a bastard for letting the cat out of the bag. And of course it's not even concieveable that the kid knew it was a setup and was appreciative that his teammates, and especially the other team, were willing to give him a little moment to shine.
Some of you people really need to get laid.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at September 20, 2009 12:01 AM (Et4iB)

126 "where moms try to kill their cheerleader daughter's rivals,"



Oh, right, cuz that's exactly the same thing as a team pulling together
to do a nice thing for a team mate. But, hey, we can't take a chance
and do any of that nice stuff, cuz there may possibly, by some chance,
be a negative repercussion from it.



I'm pretty sure the ones that would tease him for this were already
teasing him for sitting the bench all season and not playing. Or for being , ya know, 'wierd' to start with. Guess it
would be better if we just didn't let 'those' kinds of people
participate in 'normal' activities with 'normal' kids.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 20, 2009 12:05 AM (wMpIj)

127 The score was 46-0. This one small moment was not going to change the final outcome. However, it probably did change this one kid's life, as well as the lives of all the players on both teams.
Down's Syndrome kids have a much shorter life span. And if you had read the whole story, the parents and the coaches were very careful about having this kid on the team. They all knew that he probably was never going to play a single down in a regular season when he joined the team, since he would have been seriously hurt had he gotten hit.
Yet, because this kid so much wanted to be a part of the team, they showed some intelligent compassion and made him a part of the team, something that probablyhad an incredibly positiveimpact on him, as well as his teammates.
Remember, this is a small community we are talking about. People like Matt are generally treated as special to the members of this type of community. They all take them into their hearts andtreat people like Mattas a though they are a member of their own family.
As my 12-year-old son said after watching this video, this is what sportsmanship is all about.
Would those who are being so negative about this have prefered that Matt sat the bench all year and never played at all? What lesson would that have taught the other players?

Posted by: wiserbud at September 20, 2009 12:06 AM (EW49d)

128 Yeah I got a few felony gfun rapsthat I beat but everytime I get pulled over it shows up. I have to post bail for J-walking.
Astronaut? I can't run for dog catcher her in Podunk.
One meth explosion, and the whole trailer park is pissed forever.
My old lady keeps tripping over the dogs and hits her face on the doorknob, and the cops think I beat her.
We all get labeled as something. Like it or night.
I'm a victim here too!

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 20, 2009 12:07 AM (FM5TE)

129 As for the "keep your mouth shut about it" aspect, I was playing in a softball game last year wherw we were getting our asses kicked. We were down about 28 runs. At one point, the base runner was stopped at third by his coach, as opposed to having him run home to score yet another run.
The runner asked the base coach "why did you stop me?" The base coach said "We really didn't need the run. Let's give them a break, okay?"
I looked at the base coach and said "Thanks."
There's a reason they have a "mercy rule" in softball.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 20, 2009 12:12 AM (EW49d)

130 That was a comedy joke @ 129.
And hey, the kid suited up for practices. I imagine (yeah I know) he gave it his all, evertime during scrimages.

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 20, 2009 12:13 AM (FM5TE)

131 There is really nothing to analyze here. It was a nice gesture by all involved to give a handicapped child a moment he will remember for the rest of his life. He most likely knew what was happening. Downs Syndrome kids are not stupid. For the coach of the winning team, it was the ultimate in good sportsmanship. That's all there is to this. Have we really become this cynical?

Posted by: Bill R. at September 20, 2009 12:16 AM (EhlQq)

132 Well said Bill R. One person's being 'patronized' is another person's being 'cared for'. It's up to the people who know the ones involved to decide that.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 20, 2009 12:19 AM (wMpIj)

133 Then letting them on the football team in the first place is patronizing them and refusing to acknowledge as a person.
It depends on the situation. In most cases, placing him on the football team would not rob someone else of an opportunity to be on the team. So then the standard is: he wants to be on the team, you let him be on the team - the same as everyone else. At that point, there's a lot he can do for the team which is in his capacity. He can even get into the game in some situations. Certainly he can be a useful assistant. In other words, you give the kid every chance to accomplish what he can within the scope of his abilities. You treat him like a PERSON.
That's not what happened here. They robbed him of a touchdown. By that I mean he was never allowed to actually score a touchdown because they rigged it so that was GIVEN a touchdown.
Now scoring a touchdown is either an accomplishment or it isn't. If you think that scoring a TD is a meaningful act, then don't cheapen it by making it a gift. On the other hand, if you think that scoring a TD is a symbolic accomplishment meant to reward him for how he works, I submit there are other ways you can do that w/out insulting his dignity . Maybe he could have scored a TD on his own, did you ever think of that? Well, no one will know if you insist on treating him like some kind of pet.

Posted by: PackerBronco at September 20, 2009 12:20 AM (P4hZq)

134 Could be the beginning of a whole new genre of pron?

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 20, 2009 12:22 AM (FM5TE)

135 I am cynical and I don't believe that everyone should get a trophy just for showing up. That said, this was nice and I did get a tear in the eye. I don't give a rat's ass about Obama or the coach or whatever...this kid got a nice memory and even if he learns it was staged, he will likely appreciate the fact that people were kind enough to give it to him. He has already stepped out of the confines of his life by even being part of the team in the first place. I bet he has had to go to practice and show up to sit on the bench. What happened was a good deed and in this cynical age, why not just accept it as a good without the intense analysis for once?

Posted by: HawaiiLwyr at September 20, 2009 12:23 AM (QNR6n)

136 Maybe he could have scored a TD on his own, did you ever think of that?
That would have never happened, if you knew anything at all aboutthe problems faced by Down's kids.
The coaches of both teams knew that.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 20, 2009 12:24 AM (EW49d)

137 That is NOT Sparta.

Posted by: King Leonidas at September 20, 2009 12:27 AM (w+Q8f)

138 OK. Enough. Let this thread die until P.S. or whiteclod give their opinion. I'll abide by their wisdom on this./barf

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 20, 2009 12:28 AM (FM5TE)

139 My fav video of a disabled kid given a "chance to shine" was the autisitc basketball player a few years back. He was the team manager who got to suit up the last game, and he hit like 10 3 pointers in a row, with the last couple with guys in his face! His team still lost big though.

Posted by: Dave in Nebraska at September 20, 2009 12:29 AM (WrBtB)

140 I can't wait to go the my son's next junior high band concert and loudly boo the little untalented losers for not sounding like the New York Philharmonic Orchestra.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 20, 2009 12:31 AM (EW49d)

141 >>I submit there are other ways you can do that w/out insulting his dignity .

I don't understand how you are channeling his feelings. I HIGHLY doubt he feels insulted.

>> Maybe he could have scored a TD on his own, did you ever think of that?

The kid has Down's syndrome.

Posted by: Amused Observer at September 20, 2009 12:31 AM (EbqoB)

142 I remember going to my daughter's ballet recitals when she was 6 years old and screaming "GET OFF THE STAGE, LOSERS!" Damn, they really sucked.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 20, 2009 12:36 AM (EW49d)

143 I think we better do away with Special Olympics. After all, they really aren't that good at anything. We should quit giving them medals for shitty running and stuff. I bet if they knew their Olympics are different than the real ones, their dignity would be insulted anyway. I mean seriously, giving them rewards for a half-assed job? what's that all about....

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 20, 2009 12:39 AM (wMpIj)

144 >> The kid has Down's syndrome.

translation: he has absolutely no chance of making anything of himself, and must be handed opportunities on a silver platter.

who's the cynic now?

Posted by: lurker #267 at September 20, 2009 12:40 AM (F12Mq)

145 translation: he has absolutely no chance of making anything of himself, and must be handed opportunities on a silver platter.
No, translation is that if he gets hit as hard as someone who is not handicapped, he could die. Therefore, the coach would probably have never let him play in a real game situation, to protect him from serious harm.
What a prick bastard, huh? Seriously, he should have just let the kid risk his life if he so wanted to play on a team.
That's what a real man would have done.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 20, 2009 12:46 AM (EW49d)

146
>>translation: he has absolutely no chance of making anything of himself, and must be handed opportunities on a silver platter. who's the cynic now?

Okay, I was wrong. I remembered that Down's Syndrome is associated with cervical spine anomalies and my thought went to cervical spine anomalies don't mix with full contact sports. I retract that assumption.


Posted by: Amused Observer at September 20, 2009 12:46 AM (EbqoB)

147 It was really beautiful that this kid became part of the team. It was unexpectedly kind to help him score a touchdown, when it seems the biggest reason he wanted to be there was the sheer joy of the sport and the camaraderie he enjoyed with his friends.

This story made me very happy.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at September 20, 2009 12:51 AM (b+cwQ)

148 I'm not in favor of leaving Down's children out on a rock, but let's not labor under somebody's nicey-nice illusion: I have known more than one Down's subject who grew up to be angry, bitter and cruel. They are not all pleasant and eager to please. Much as we'd like to equate a couple of facial similarities with universal membership the the support group, every Downer is an individual with a personality. They're people, like other people. Many are quite nice.

Posted by: comatus at September 20, 2009 12:59 AM (+Fcaz)

149 They are not all pleasant and eager to please.
Seems Matt was.
What's your point?

Posted by: wiserbud at September 20, 2009 01:01 AM (EW49d)

150 crying....... God Bless the coaches and players that helped him experience that.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 20, 2009 01:06 AM (ucxC/)

151 That would have never happened, if you knew anything at all aboutthe problems faced by Down's kids.
I know three people with Down's syndrome. I love them for who they are. I'm personally insulted that you assume that because I disagree with you that I know nothing about the condition and the challenges these people face.

Posted by: PackerBronco at September 20, 2009 01:20 AM (P4hZq)

152 I remember going to my daughter's ballet recitals when she was 6 years old and screaming "GET OFF THE STAGE, LOSERS!" Damn, they really sucked.
As a parent I can attest that there is no greater joy than watching your child perform at a recital and there is no greater agony than having to sit through all of the other performances by everyone else's kid.

Posted by: PackerBronco at September 20, 2009 01:23 AM (P4hZq)

153 There is NO WAY a coach would let him "earn" a touchdown by putting him in without an agreement that he WOULDN"T BE TOUCHED.

In football, when both sides play hard, whistle to whistle, injuries can occur. But when one player is not playing hard, and the other side is, they are GUARANTEED to occur. (That's why you play hard whether it's tied, or you're up 40, or down 80 points. It isn't respect for the game. It's self preservation.)

The only way this kid was gonna get any playing time is with an agreement that he not be touched.

Posted by: Americano at September 20, 2009 02:02 AM (MHmUX)

154 Mrs. Peel, I'm going to take a wild guess that your disability isn't Down Syndrome, huh?

Sorry, playing the "I'm disabled" card doesn't make you an authority on what it's like for these kids.

Posted by: JWD at September 20, 2009 02:11 AM (gMvav)

155 No mercy for the weak!

Posted by: King Leonidas at September 20, 2009 02:12 AM (p8sFd)

156 Down syndrome folks are very special. Every one I have known has been so positive, kind, considerate and loving towards everyone. Many live very normal, extremely happy lives, work and support themselves.

If everyone respected and treated each other like a down syndrome person acts towards others, the world would be a much better place.

Posted by: pc14 at September 20, 2009 02:57 AM (sasV9)

157 Leonidas, If you would have given the hunchback a spot on your team, he wouldn't have shown the Persians the goat path. Ever thought of that?

Posted by: Lummox at September 20, 2009 03:20 AM (Ui0uT)

158 I gave him a spot on mine and look where it got me!

Posted by: Xerxes at September 20, 2009 03:28 AM (Ui0uT)

159
Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 09:53 PM (wJ0OF)
I agree. ESPN laps this stuff up too. It also reminds me of the two idiots who walked their opponent to the home base after she hurt herself running the bases during a home run, costing them the game and ESPN gave them a f*cking (for Ace's income) award for it or the guy who was fired because his team won 100-0.

Posted by: libbyt at September 19, 2009 10:12 PM (5I0Yr)
um, no. there's no problem with celebarting a touchdown no matter how you do it. if you have a problem w/ someone celebrating a touchdown...stop them

Posted by: YRM at September 20, 2009 07:02 AM (xNw7B)

160 Attaboys to both teams! My nephew has Down's , so it's good to see another young man do well.
PS - First Sunday in October is the National Buddy Walk for Down's support groups.

Posted by: JEA at September 20, 2009 08:20 AM (EyVCI)

161 #13 original
Answer; kindness to another human being, there but for the Grace of God go I.

Posted by: elclynn at September 20, 2009 08:45 AM (75SXS)

162 They lost. by an ass whippin'. They all know it, even Matt. Chances are any and everybody on that team will go to the mat for Matt if it comes down to it. It's their team, their lives. Good for them.

Posted by: cookboy at September 20, 2009 08:50 AM (+I4Wn)

163 Magnamimity.
I would have to agree- The other players on both sides know they can trample the hell out of the kid, they are stronger and know it.
Downs isn't like some assclown crying he isn't getting a fair break (whom I say crush the hell out for being assclowns) these players deserve a pat on the back for being humble or magnanimous if you will.
Is not magnanimous the very definition of the United States and our hallmark?
(besides crushing assclowns when allowed too)

Posted by: gdonovan at September 20, 2009 08:57 AM (cVyc9)

164 Any of you naysayers seen the movie "Rudy"?

Posted by: elclynn at September 20, 2009 09:00 AM (75SXS)

165 @150, just read 157 and you'll see my point.
Knute Rockne was a commie shill. Equality of outcome is now a given, even among self-supposed conservatives. It's just so...nice.We're living in a bubble, and sombody's going to come along and bust it. You people are going la-la-la.
Either "sport" is relevant, or it's not. If it's not, this is fine okay. If the point of playing these games is the mere realization that they're "only games," Coach Red Ruffinsore needs to driven out of the temple with a whip.

Posted by: comatus at September 20, 2009 09:06 AM (+Fcaz)

166 The point isn't about competition. The winning team was up 46 to zero. The kid with downs couldn't score "for real" not only because of his disease, but because his team got their asses handed to them.

It was the last play of the game. The only thing the winning team gave up by doing a solid for the kid with Downs was a shutout. In a frosh game. In a league nobody ever has heard of.

I'd say they gained more than they lost.

Posted by: Americano at September 20, 2009 09:17 AM (MHmUX)

167 The kid was a FRESHMAN. He shouldn't even be in the game even if he had talent. What's the encore now for the next four years? Let him pay his dues like anyone else would. I'd be all for something like this if the kid was a senior and it was the last game of the year. Also is there anything wrong with the kid just getting a chance to run a play or two? That would be plenty and equally affecting. Self-touting coach could have done that easily why did he have to have the kid score a touchdown? You know what made Rudy such a great story? He paid his dues and got the chance ONLY to play a few plays and then made the most of those plays. THAT is truly heartwarming. Just like the Downs kid that scored all of those three pointers in basketball some years back. This contrived crap is no more significant than my handing my young girl the football in a backyard gameand letting her score a touchdown.This has no place in organized sports. There are plenty of oulets for kids like this to raise their self-esteem.

Posted by: Mikey at September 20, 2009 09:32 AM (qRxfv)

168 The uberman in me says, "this is retarded". But only to cover up my tears. And the coach is a moron for blabbing about this. Self-important cockknocker.

Posted by: Herpeas at September 20, 2009 09:34 AM (QBQcg)

169 Great story. Thanks for posting it.

Posted by: drjohn at September 20, 2009 09:45 AM (HXRkG)

170 jwd: Mrs. Peel was answering another post that claimed nobody here knew anybody that was handicapped. That's hardly "playing the I'm disabled card". Do you have some sort of disability yourself? Or did you purposely miss that part?
Our local high school is one of the largest in the state and is at least in the running for the state title nearly every year. When my oldest son still played we had a midget kid working as an equipment manager. I secretly always thought it would have been cool to see him suit up and play. He would have been killed in 10 seconds, but what a moment of glory for him.
Or a moment of humiliation.
Football is a religion here, allowing him to score untouched would be an apostasy.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at September 20, 2009 09:45 AM (/O0iM)

171 Let's analyze this situation: Obama probably never played American style freshman football. Indonesia has no team to my knowledge. And Sarah Palin's youngest child has DS.
All football should be made illegal immediately. and all DS children be shut away given a govt. handout, never to be heard of again.
There, bambi has fixed this for you.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 20, 2009 09:54 AM (TEIZr)

172 Our kids are watching "beat downs" in baseball, basketball, football, serena in tennis, it's kind of good to witness this event and teach a lesson at the same time....

Posted by: non_dhimmie at September 20, 2009 10:03 AM (cFwGO)

173 Could it be possible after seeing that bizarre play (to those not in the know) reporters queried to coaches as to what the heck just happened? Then, the coach told the story. As opposed to him running to the press to show how great he was.

Posted by: IHavetoWonder at September 20, 2009 10:11 AM (EJG5+)

174 I'm not the one putting people with physical defects in the same group as people with mental defects. That's y'all. You want to decide that I "don't count" as disabled because you're using some definition of "disabled" that doesn't include my disability, you go right ahead. Or if you want to decide, not knowing shit about me, that it's easy for me to participate in your world and that I have no idea what it's like to be rejected for being different, because I don't have the kind of disability you think deserves compassion, then you go right the fuck ahead. You certainly won't be alone.

But for the sake of the discussion, it would be helpful if you defined your terms up front, instead of moving the goalposts afterward.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 20, 2009 11:18 AM (9xiOC)

175 I ran one further than that once. Hey wait a minute.

Posted by: sonnyspats at September 20, 2009 11:50 AM (kM/ZI)

176 105
sorry, didn't see 102 before I posted 103. That's not what Y-not is
saying. But I'll say it. I don't think it was intentional, but I also
think that feel-good stuff like this doesn't really treat the person
you're ostensibly benefiting as a person.


Posted by: Mrs. Peel at September 19, 2009 11:29 PM (9xiOC)
I'm conflicted on this.
I coach wrestling. There is a young man locally with MS who wrestles. That kid is my hero. When it came time for one of my wrestlers to compete against him, I did not tell him to take it easy. He pinned the young man, shook his hand and went to the bleachers where he began to cry. He felt like a bully but I told him that the boy with MS wanted only to be treated like a wrestler and that he (my wrestler) had shown him respect by doing exactly that. Is that kinda what you are saying?

Posted by: kidney at September 20, 2009 12:20 PM (pOUE9)

177 Well, I'm kinda biased. My nephew has Down's Syndrome. When I was married, the ex- and I helped administer cell treatments to infants with DS.
Gotta go, there's something in my eye...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 20, 2009 12:52 PM (ZGhSv)

178 Seems the majority of posters don't realize that the public school indoctrinated idea that letting "special" people win sporting events, homecoming queen contests, Harvard law degrees, etc, is good, so the public can feel all warm and fuzzy, is the direct reason barry is in the White House.

Posted by: Dr. Alf Dullpoint at September 20, 2009 01:11 PM (Oxen1)

179 kidney,
That's what I was trying to say earlier. Dunno about Mrs. Peel. I was in a similar situation, though with Judo as a student. A fellow student had MS, but was serious about training and didn't want special consideration shown to him during matches. He would have been insulted if someone handed him a win. As a consequence of that, after several years of training, he learned to play the best hand with the cards dealt to him, and became a decent tournament competitor. I don't know that he ever won 1st place, but he was mighty proud (and legitimately so) of his 2nd and 3rd place trophies. So that's in part where my perspective comes from. And yes, by questioning the wisdom of the coaches' stunt, I am implicitly showing that I have no compassion for anyone weaker than myself, and further, I'm demanding that all handicapped kids be put to death. Sheesh, people. Get a grip.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at September 20, 2009 02:05 PM (pZEar)

180 I always thought that kindness, generosity, and decency were part of integrity. Like doing a good deed is.
Sometimes there are bigger things in life than running up the score in a blow-out freshman football game, and high school freshman do need to be taught that there are bigger things in life than you, the 'Big I Am'. These teams did something decent, like when that college softball player screwed up her leg running to base, and her opponents lifted her up and carried her around.
It actually is about how you play the game.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at September 20, 2009 02:16 PM (TUWci)

181 If the idiots had run him from the get go they would have had the 46-0 score. Strength of a chimpanzee, and all, you know.

Posted by: Kanye Twitty at September 20, 2009 03:41 PM (Ge7CK)

182 .

Posted by: Lummox at September 20, 2009 05:58 PM (Ui0uT)

183 Al you dumbasses who are against this have never been to a SPecial Olympics event. Either that or you're just plain asshats.

Posted by: JEA at September 20, 2009 06:35 PM (EyVCI)

184 The Downs kids have amazing achilles strength from walking around on their tippy toes all the time. They can turn on a dime.

Posted by: Todd Hilliard at September 20, 2009 07:03 PM (QHESM)

185 > Seems the majority of posters don't realize that the public school indoctrinated idea that letting "special" people win sporting events, homecoming queen contests, Harvard law degrees, etc, is good, so the public can feel all warm and fuzzy, is the direct reason barry is in the White House.

I remember back in the 70's something like this ended badly. Some unpopular girl got the "sympathy vote" for prom queen and when she realized what had happened, she burned down the school. I think she killed her mom too.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at September 20, 2009 09:39 PM (novKZ)

186 This is so cool.
I was going for my morning walk one morning last spring and went by the local junior high. I saw the kids playing kickball in gym class. I noticed that the boys were throwing the ball all over and the kids were cheering a boy in the class who has down syndrome.
It happened to be my child's gym class, and I asked my child what was going on. I was told that all the boys decided to let the boy score homeruns whenever he was up. They'd throw the ball to the wrong base and then when the boy was heading to homeplate, everyone would cheer for him.
It's wonderful to see that these kids got it - that they decided to to this on their own without it being a suggestion by an adult.They understood that it'sjustchildhood game and sometimes other things matter more.

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188 Al you dumbasses who are against this have never been to a SPecial Olympics event. Either that or you're just plain asshats.

Last time I watched a Special Olympics event, there were people who won and people who lost, and those who lost got the enriching experience of participating against their peers. I didn't see non-disabled people playing against them and letting them win.

Does the same rule apply say where a father is wrestling with his boys
and he doesn't pin them into submission with his exponentially superior
strength? Is that patronizing?

I don't buy into your example. If the father lets his kids pin him and then praises them for their wonderful accomplishment, they've learned nothing.

Where did the expression, "With one hand tied behind my back" come from? If the father tells his kids he's setting handicaps on himself, and then tries his best despite that and they win, they can learn a great lesson. And they can learn even better lessons if he slowly withdraws the handicaps as they improve. That's what I did with my son, and now he's almost 18 and ready to kick my ass.

Those of us who are defying the reflexive feel-good message of this story aren't saying we don't like the idea of doing something nice for people with handicaps. We aren't saying we shouldn't teach the other players to be good and caring people. And we're not in the business of being uncaring, unfeeling "asshats". We just think there are more and better lessons that can be taught by changing the conditions of the situation a little so the kid gets just as great an experience without everybody thinking he's got to be pitied.

Posted by: The Black Republican at September 21, 2009 02:09 AM (0guas)

189 I should add that aside from all that lesson-learning, it's also just a whole lot more FUN when there's some realistic goals and expectations for everybody. When I'd let one of my kids win at something, I knew I was cheating them out of something great. When I'd openly set a handicap and try my best, we both had fun - and were both more likely to want to play again.

Posted by: The Black Republican at September 21, 2009 02:20 AM (0guas)

190 I think it's ridiculous that so many people are giving the coach a hard time about this. I just lost my son in May, he was 5 months old and he had Downs Syndrome. This story hits that soft part of my heart. How can someone fault a coach for giving this boy something he would probably never have had otherwise. And as far as the coach "blabbing" about it to a media outlet, this boy is now a "celebrity" what 15 year old boy without a disability wouldn't love to be on television? And as far as President Obama goes, really? You really think the President is going to make fun of a child? I think what you're referring to is the "Kanye West" incident. Kanye West is ridiculous. God Bless Matt Ziesel, his family, those aweseome boys and coaches from both teams.

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Posted by: JWD at September 21, 2009 07:12 PM (gMvav)

193 Being the caretaker of a mentally retarded sisterwhois a former Special Olympics athlete, I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I feel it might detract from handicapped people who fight through adversity and beat opponents on their own merit. On the other hand, when I read about what Brett Favre did for Strahan, I realize that magnamimity has its place even among the professional athletes.
Then I read comments from people like this:
It also reminds me of the two idiots who walked their opponent to the home base after she hurt herself running the bases during a home run, costing them the game and ESPN gave them a f*cking (for Ace's income) award for it or the guy who was fired because his team won 100-0.
Posted by: YRM at September 20, 2009 07:02 AM (xNw7B)
I have to wonder what they're thinking, how they'll digest this little 'life lesson.' Youth sports are supposed to promote positive values; what values are instilled here? Posted by: original signed at September 19, 2009 09:53 PM (wJ0OF)
there's a nagging part of me that insists that things like this are wrong because it strikes, in a way, at concepts like integrity and competition.Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at September 19, 2009 10:19 PM (cPSW9)
This reminds me of "Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut (1961) instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. Posted by: stumpy at September 19, 2009 10:31 PM (ZBeai)
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Seems the majority of posters don't realize that the public school indoctrinated idea that letting "special" people win sporting events, homecoming queen contests, Harvard law degrees, etc, is good, so the public can feel all warm and fuzzy, is the direct reason barry is in the White House. Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at September 20, 2009 09:39 PM (novKZ)
...And I realize that for some, at least, there's a fine line between sportsmanship and being an "overly generous chump".
Therein lies the lesson.

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197 OK, this story probably shouldn't have gone any further than the field they were playing on.... it should have stayed in the hearts and minds of the players, coaches and families of those involved. Be that as it may, it was an act of compassion and kindness and anyone disecting this and extrapolating any negative notions from the actions and results of what happened on that field is simply a selfish, narrow minded and insecure heap of human flesh. I have two words for people of your caliber: CONSIDER EUTHANASIA.

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