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| More on the Coast Guard Training ExerciseThis raised blood pressure this morning, so here's a bit of follow-up: He said that unspecified "members of the public" had "intercepted" clear-channel, unencrypted Coast Guard radio transmissions regarding the exercise and apparently concluded erroneously that a real interdiction of a suspect vessel was taking place on the Potomac, near Memorial Bridge. Not far from the river, President Obama attended a ceremony Friday morning at the Pentagon to mark the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Currier said that although no shots were fired during the exercise, there was "verbalization of gunfire" in the radio transmissions. "Somebody said, 'Bang! Bang!' on the radio at an appropriate time in the training exercise when the actual interdiction of the boat would have taken place," he said. CNN, Fox and other media outlets cited police radio transmissions in which officers allegedly ordered shots fired. Television anchors and analysts speculated on-air as to whether the allegedly "suspicious vessel" confronted by the Coast Guard could be linked to the 9/11 anniversary.It's actually fairly common for people to call 911 when they see police and firefighter training exercises, so I'm not surprised this happened with the Coast Guard. It's just that dispatchers are often warned in advance when the police and firefighters are up to something. That wasn't the case this morning—for the Coast Guard this was just a "routine exercise"—so early reports of something going on in the river sent D.C. police cars racing to the Potomac. Robert Gibbs said that he wouldn't second-guess the Coast Guard's decision to conduct the training exercise on September 11th and it appears that it was just bad timing that President Obama's motorcade was passing nearby. Still, if it was just "routine" then there doesn't seem—to me, anyway—to be any reason why the exercise couldn't wait until next week. I'm not saying that everyone should lie low on September 11th. I just think that people are still a bit wound-up about it and seeing first-responders and other security agencies behaving unusually on this anniversary is bound to get people excited. Just as with the Scare Force One fly-over, the government didn't think informing local authorities was necessary. In fact, they didn't need to announce it to everyone; they just needed a bit of communication to avoid frightening people. Comments1
Thank God for our betters.
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I like the Coasties...really I do. But damn, dudes.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 11, 2009 04:49 PM (B+qrE) 3
Just goes to show that Gov. agencies still have walls between them.................orrrrrr someone just wanted to fuck with odumbass and make him hold his pee pee and wee wee!
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at September 11, 2009 04:49 PM (qYkH4) 4
I agree with you, Gabriel. There's no reason a 'routine' exercise couldn't wait.
'Doesn't excuse the sloppy reporting by CNN, of course. Posted by: Y-not at September 11, 2009 04:50 PM (sey23) 5
"Somebody said, 'Bang! Bang!' on the radio at an appropriate time in the training exercise when the actual interdiction of the boat would have taken place, This is a joke right..is this how they really train? Posted by: dana"you liar"njcon at September 11, 2009 04:50 PM (1B81L) 6
The lefties must have thought some right wing lunatic, inspired by Joe Wilson and Sarah Palin was going to really "swift boat" Obumbles.
Posted by: TC at September 11, 2009 04:51 PM (QXKjZ) 7
Collective bedwetting. What a bunch of nancies our nation has devolved into.
Our forefathers would be fucking ashamed. Posted by: railwriter at September 11, 2009 04:52 PM (XcsD4) 8
"Somebody said, 'Bang! Bang!' on the radio at an appropriate time in the training exercise when the actual interdiction of the boat would have taken place,
This is a joke right..is this how they really train? I was in the Infantry in peace time. Yes, shouting 'Bang!' was part of the training. Posted by: fluffy at September 11, 2009 04:53 PM (4Kl5M) 9
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Not at all, I remember during LRRP training my Team would be sneaky peteing on an exercise and someone hidden would yell bang, bang, to judge our reactions. Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at September 11, 2009 04:53 PM (qYkH4) 10
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"Somebody said, 'Bang! Bang!' on the radio at an appropriate time in the training exercise when the actual interdiction of the boat would have taken place, This is a joke right..is this how they really train?
Yes. This is how we used to train. What's the problem? Posted by: Lt Jim Dangle, Reno Sherrif's Dept at September 11, 2009 04:55 PM (J7/Ud) Posted by: wHodat at September 11, 2009 04:56 PM (+sBB4) 12
The Scare Force One incident is exactly the precedence that Obama's administration means to perpetuate, as witnessed this morning. "What we got here--is a failure---to communicate."
"Robert Gibbs said that he wouldn't second-guess the Coast Guard's decision to conduct the training exercise on September 11th and it appears that it was just bad timing that President Obama's motorcade was passing nearby." It isn't so simple as Gibbs would have it. "Obama just has bad timing." TOTUS can't solve or prevent that character flaw in this orating potus with diarrhea of the mouth. With all the TALK from Teh One, so little communication. Posted by: maverick muse at September 11, 2009 04:58 PM (F1b/5) Posted by: dananjcon at September 11, 2009 04:58 PM (1B81L) 14
I don't see anything wrong with the Coast Guard conducting innocuous training exercises that only were noticed because of radio transmissions that were misinterpreted. Its ridiculous to fault the CG for any of this. Posted by: polynikes at September 11, 2009 04:58 PM (m2CN7) 15
Live-fire drills are paperwork-intensive and cost too much money.
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Not only do I not share the conventional wisdom on this incident, but I reject it. I hope the Coast Guard and other agencies routinely do exercises on this day, as a reminder to us that there are those out there who have not quite yet decided to live and let live, and thus will be not be let to live if they decide blood to let, for there are yet Americans who will still fight. I hope that on this day that we, instead of perputually mourning in fear, with black hearts--or, even worse, ignoring the day completely--that we make the strong statement that while we may not always be able to prevent disaster, we will always rise to be ready if it occurs. And so I say practice on Coast Guard, practice on, and with real bullets next time, so that the citizens, perhaps having become overly content at their breakfasts with the morning paper, may understand that there are far more worse things than construing a practice defense against attack as an attack. That thing, of course, being an attack itself. Let them understand that part of the price of liberty is keeping the powder dry--and occasionally practicing with it. Posted by: Horatius at September 11, 2009 05:00 PM (z/+Gw) Posted by: dananjcon at September 11, 2009 05:00 PM (1B81L) 18
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Give that man/woman a cigar, and we should have more, like F-22's hitting after burners above odumbass motorcade just to watch him cry, the zoomers would love that! Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at September 11, 2009 05:03 PM (qYkH4) 21
I was thinking that perhaps these were training exercises in the same way that we held/hold training exercises near Taiwan; as a show of strength to ward off unfortunate ideas by our enemies. It's also interesting to me that it was reported on national news that shots were fired, if the only shots fired were of the bang-bang variety. And no, I don't mean I don't believe the coasties. I'm just underlining that the MSM with its multiple layers of fact checking didn't seem to bother confirming rumors of live fire in the Potomac before announcing it on national feeds.
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at September 11, 2009 05:03 PM (XIXhw) 22
I agree with #14 Polynikes. CNN (I don't know about Fox's coverage as here it is only available to the elite satellite TV consumers) created the controversy not the CG, especially as their talking heads didn't have enough brains to see that there wasn't anything going on that appeared dangerous; or clued in when they heard a monotone "bang, bang" being said by the CG guy over the radio. Posted by: andycanuck at September 11, 2009 05:04 PM (1Nk79) 23
O'Dumbo is setting up America by doing stupid things and having people cry wolf until no one pays attention, or reports the activity when a real attack comes, until it's too late. No better way for him to help his friends and family, the terrorist, and then deny he helped them.
Posted by: Scrapiron at September 11, 2009 05:06 PM (1kwr2) 24
CNN acted stupidly.
Posted by: reason at September 11, 2009 05:13 PM (1R6cr) 25
I blame Napolitano as well for this gross breach of communications between federal forces and local. In fact, I would expect that this was scheduled to be conducted without mutual communications in order to create turmoil, a pseudo-crisis, again (Scare Force One). The timed location of our POTUS is known by a select few who are also in position to order a "covert" exercise. The goal would be to create public outcry that the DHS, created to seam the information divide between federal agencies CIA and FBI to eliminate the competitive secrets held from each other, failed to communicate with local officials because it was not in their original job description. The fraudulent "need" to have MORE POWER placed in the DHS than exists could be at play, folks, to merge police and fire departments under the direct authority of DHS rather than maintaining local authorities under local control. THAT premise would be logical from Obama's masters' perspective.
/To survive the Beast, the lamb must be as wise as a serpent and as cunning as a fox. Posted by: maverick muse at September 11, 2009 05:13 PM (F1b/5) 26
Ruh Roh, Beck is having a meltdown, more fodder for the communists.
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#16 Horatius, BRAVO.
"Not only do I not share the conventional wisdom on this incident, but I reject it. I hope the Coast Guard and other agencies routinely do exercises on this day, as a reminder to us that there are those out there who have not quite yet decided to live and let live, and thus will be not be let to live if they decide blood to let, for there are yet Americans who will still fight." I agree, today IS the perfect day for exercises. And communications between official levels of governance should still be the norm as it has been protocol, as well as common sense. Posted by: maverick muse at September 11, 2009 05:19 PM (F1b/5) Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 11, 2009 05:21 PM (8V90b) Posted by: maverick muse at September 11, 2009 05:24 PM (F1b/5) Posted by: CBS 60 Minutes Wednesday at September 11, 2009 05:29 PM (1Nk79) 31
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And communications between official levels of governance should still be the norm as it has been protocol, as well as common sense.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 11, 2009 05:19 PM (F1b/5 There was nothing in this normal training exercise that is probably done frequently that needed to be reported to local authorities. Posted by: polynikes at September 11, 2009 05:32 PM (m2CN7) 33
So...the Coast Guard equivalent of a platoon commander training his troops is a bad thing?
I'm against that whole fascist police state thingy, but if you've got a standing military...well...they spend a lot of time training. Sundays, holidays, day, night, cold, hot, rain or sun...whatever it takes, they're always working and training. Hammer on the MSM for trying to do an incompetent version of a 'Woodward and Bernstein' on everything in their attempts to change the world to their own liking. Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 11, 2009 05:33 PM (EEy2h) 34
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On the one year anniversary of the attack, my office building held a unwarned FIRE DRILL.....First Anniversary......HELLO!!!!
Posted by: rightzilla at September 11, 2009 05:44 PM (rVJH4) 36
They reported shots fired because - someone heard someone else say "BANG BANG" on the freakin' radio??? Oh my sweet bleeding Jesus. Posted by: wws at September 11, 2009 05:45 PM (T1boi) 37
I don't recall shit like this happening while Bush was president. There was this 'thing' federal agencies did for a while...rhymes with 'coordination'. I'm pretty sure it went out of style on 1/22/09.
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"Robert Gibbs said that he wouldn't second-guess the Coast Guard's decision to conduct the training exercise on September 11th and it appears that it was just bad timing that President Obama's motorcade was passing nearby." Yeah, but his administration has no problem investigating the CIA and the actions they took after 9/11 in order to protect America. Unbelieveable! Posted by: runningrn at September 11, 2009 06:34 PM (D2il9) 39
The other thing I find rather telling: people have forgotten about 9/11. It's becoming "just another day", and with President Obama hijacking the day for his own political agenda, how much longer will it be a distant, vaguely unpleasant memory?
Posted by: runningrn at September 11, 2009 06:36 PM (D2il9) 40
The Coast Guard likely warned every agency in the area and began the transmissions on the marine band with 'this is a drill, this is a drill, this is a drill'. That is what has been done when the Coast Guard Auxiliary conducts training exercises (Search and Rescue). No excuse for the professionals at CNN not to check this out before running with it. Posted by: Mikey NTH at September 11, 2009 06:36 PM (TUWci) 41
#5 - yes. It is a drill, it is an act. I suspect they will not fire actual blank rounds. And when we bring the 'man overboard' dummie (or fender, or what ever will float) fake CPR is practiced.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at September 11, 2009 06:40 PM (TUWci) 42
Can I point out how utterly futile it was to have DC police cars racing to an incident on the water? What, exactly were DC's finest supposed to do when they got there? DC screwed that up. Basic common sense dictates that if you're a land police department, and you have an incident reported on the water, you call the water police department because, chances are, they know what the heck is going on.
What's not in this story at all is any sign that anyone called the Coast Guard before police were dispatched or before CNN rushed the story on the air. One telephone call would have cleared the whole thing up instantly. As for the training exercise, it's pretty routine. So far as I know (and I have professional exposure here), the Coasties do this sort of training all the time. So do various places designated as high-priority Homeland Security targets. Some of them train with flares and blank rounds instead of "bang bang" on the radio. This smells to me of a tabletop exercise, with simulated radio calls, to make sure that command and control of an emergency incident is working the way it should and that everyone stays sharp on SOPs. If that's what it is, it likely only involved command level personnel and few, if any, actual patrol vessels. For those guys, this was about the perfect day to hold the exercise: a Friday when their administrative demands would be almost nonexistent. Posted by: Jimmie at September 11, 2009 07:01 PM (le1Xk) 43
Robert Gibbs said that he wouldn't second-guess the Coast Guard's
decision to conduct the training exercise on September 11th and it
appears that it was just bad timing that President Obama's motorcade
was passing nearby.
Second-guessing requires a pair. Gibbs: Disqualified. Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at September 11, 2009 07:19 PM (SqeY4) 44
9/11 is the most appropriate day to conduct training. The Coast Guard was doing their job. The White House was, appropriately, not involved. The media however, jumped the gun, went off half-cocked and shot themselves in the foot, which turned out to be the only shot fired. Posted by: Chas at September 11, 2009 07:34 PM (yjDfo) 45
Just as with the Scare Force One fly-over, the government didn't think informing local authorities was necessary.
Wrong. Posted by: baldilocks at September 11, 2009 09:46 PM (u2D42) 46
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We should mark this day on our calendars as the one time Gibbs actually made a valid point. If you're a scanner hobbyist you'll hear exercises like this all the time. Since the intent is to simulate emergency communications it can be pretty convincing at first. Then, if you listen to this sort of thing very much, you notice things that clue you in. Like how calm everyone sounds, that there are no background noises in the transmissions, or that the conversations are on a different set of frequencies/talkgroups than are normally used for emergencies. Or people saying "bang bang".
The DC area dispatchers really should be aware of the Coast Guard training schedule, especially for routine training planned well in advance. That said, it's DC's local government, so you can only expect so much. But there's no excuse for not contacting the Coast Guard and just asking them, and there's no way CNN should've broken this as "news" before getting it figured out. Gibbs was right about that. Posted by: Bryan C at September 11, 2009 10:25 PM (TmnVc) 49
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Can I point out how utterly futile it was to have DC police cars racing
to an incident on the water? What, exactly were DC's finest supposed to
do when they got there? DC screwed that up. Basic common sense dictates
that if you're a land police department, and you have an incident
reported on the water, you call the water police department because,
chances are, they know what the heck is going on."
You really can't see why, in an incident on the water, in the Potomac river, with miles of shoreline, that you wouldn't want some land based assets to respond? How about your waterborne suspect, while being pursued by the "water police" runs aground and meets up with his land based buddies, who whisk him away in a fast car? Your "water police" become useless pretty quick if they have no land based backup. DC Police did what the police are expected to do. Send patrol officers to see what they can see and report back. Posted by: elliot at September 11, 2009 10:40 PM (ephyK) 50
Hey Morons,
I know I'm late in the thread and this rant probably won't be read by many; but I feel like I have to weigh in here. For what is supposed to be a "smart military blog," I've seen a lot of bullshit here today. Lighten up on the Guardians, for Chrissakes. As The Man said, they have to ready 24-7-365 and they have to get it right every time. Semper paratus. Coasties have to train where they operate. Did you notice the weapons on those boats? Looked like they were sporting M240s - effective range of about 800 yds, maximum range of about 4000 yds. Consider those numbers. 800 yards. In an urban marine environment. On boats that go over 40 knots, performing tactical maneuvers that sane people on the water consider near-suicidal. You want your Coasties to be highly trained, qualified for the mission at hand, ready for operations, executing superb tactics with excellent command and control, fire discipline, etc. We certainly don't want these boys and girls accidently spraying lead into the Reflecting Pool or I-395 from the middle of the Potomac. Also, those Defender-class boats are a lot of horse to handle - ample power, high speed, turn on a dime. You can get the specs here: http://tinyurl.com/n53xdb. If you are not convinced of the need for constant training for this mission using these Formula-1 type of boats, then you should read the mishap report that follows. If you take the time to do so, you will quickly realize the risks the crews take and the magnitude of CNN's and others douchbagedness today. http://tinyurl.com/mvcmyv Coast Guard men and women are quiet heroes that slip into harness every day to serve and protect our nation. So lighten up, ok? This wasn't a friggin' ScareForce One episode. Sheesh. Lastly, check out these cool new Coast Guard recruiting commercials - saw one on TV the other day - they are good. - http://tinyurl.com/n26l5u Stay turgid, Morons. Posted by: Snake Plizzken at September 12, 2009 12:50 AM (Pp/on) 51
"Robert Gibbs said that he wouldn't second-guess the Coast Guard's decision to conduct the training exercise on September 11th and it appears that it was just bad timing that President Obama's motorcade was passing nearby."
Just another reason to give Gibbs a nut-tap, fucking douchebag. Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2009 12:59 AM (hKtiw) 52
Yah, ya know, after that flyby scare in New York city, they shoulda known better. Shame.
Posted by: athelia at September 12, 2009 02:19 PM (EB1N6) 53
Go Coast Guard. Official Motto: Semper Paratus (Always Ready). Unofficial Motto: You Got To Go Out; You Don't Got To Come Back. Posted by: Mikey NTH at September 12, 2009 09:04 PM (TUWci) 54
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