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| Wee Weed Up: Andrew "Cheech" Sullivan Busted for Public Pot Possession; Judge Decries Favoritism as Obama's US Attorney Steps in and Dismisses ChargeBy the Way: Do not give Andrew Sullivan traffic, clicking to his site to see if he's offered a response. He hasn't. When he offers a response, I'll post it here. In the meantime, let's not let him profit from corruption. ... "Special treatment," reads the headline at Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly. (Now remembering the Glenn Beck smear, I checked the site to see if it appears to be legit and long-standing; it does. But I confess I've never heard of this particular outlet before.)Oolitical commentator, author and writer for The Atlantic magazine Andrew M. Sullivan won’t have to face charges stemming from a recent pot bust at the Cape Cod National Seashore — but a federal judge isn’t happy about it. U. S. Magistrate Judge Robert B. Collings says in his decision that the case is an example of how sometimes “small cases raise issues of fundamental importance in our system of justice.”He was given a tiny citation for $125. No jail or anything. But... even that was dismissed. Because the extremely liberal Sullivan wasn't too proud to call upon his extremely liberal buddies in government. But the U.S. Attorney’s Office sought to dismiss the case. Both the federal prosecutor and Sullivan’s attorney said it would have resulted in an “adverse effect” on an unspecified “immigration status” that Sullivan, a British citizen, is applying for. At the hearing, Collings observed that Sullivan would still have to state on his application that he had been charged with a crime, and Kb>he asked both the prosecutor and Sullivan’s attorney, Robert Delahunt Jr. (cousin of U. S. Rep. William D. Delahunt), for more information about why paying the $125 would have “any additional adverse effect.” When no attorney could fully answer the question beyond citing advice from immigration lawyers, Collings requested that Delahunt submit a brief on the issue. But before Delahunt could reply, Assistant U. S. Attorney James F. Lang jumped in and said that Collings had no power to inquire why the U.S. Attorney had decided to have the charge dismissed. Collings says he expressed his concern that “a dismissal would result in persons in similar situations being treated unequally before the law. … persons charged with the same offense on the Cape Cod National Seashore were routinely given violation notices, and if they did not agree to [pay the fine] were prosecuted by the United States Attorney … there was no apparent reason for treating Mr. Sullivan differently from other persons charged with the same offense.” In fact, noted Collings, there were several other defendants appearing in court the same day who were charged with the same offense. In his opinion, Collings wrote that the U.S. Attorney is “is not being faithful to a cardinal principle of our legal system, i.e., that all persons stand equal before the law and are to be treated equally in a court of justice once judicial processes are invoked. It is quite apparent that Mr. Sullivan is being treated differently from others who have been charged with the same crime in similar circumstances.”Full opinion is linked at the article linked. Rotten stinking bastards. Sullivan, his corrupt connected lawyer, that miserable corrupt bastard Delahunt, that miserable corrupt Obama attorney. All lookin' out for each other. To Be Fair... Gabe points out it was an Associate US Attorney who stepped in here, who would be a careerist, and hence he's not sure if it's fair to call him "Obama's attorney." Well... look. I don't think this attorney got the idea to quash a run-of-the-mill noncriminal pot speeding ticket on his own. And he also responded "FYNQ" here, stating the US Attorney did not have to explain why he was making this decision. The way that is phrased, by the way, suggests (without quite proving) it was the political-appointee US Attorney making the call, rather than the careerist AUSA. Thanks: to "B. Obama" for the Wee Weed Up headline joke. Oh, and by the way: Andrew Sullivan had a personal meeting with Obama, with other leftist bloggers. I'm sure that played no role whatsoever here. The Chicago Way. Comments1
So because breaking the law would have harmed his immigration status - which you can't break the law to obtain - he got off?
Is that right? Posted by: lorien1973 at September 11, 2009 12:24 PM (IhQuA) 2
It's work related. You have to be high to write columns like his.
Posted by: zmdavid at September 11, 2009 12:25 PM (MCIfD) 3
Next time I'm caught putting hobo rib meat through my grinder, I'm going to use the "continuation of these charges would adversely affect my application for an NEA grant" defense.
Posted by: mr.frakypants at September 11, 2009 12:26 PM (zOP98) 4
Mixing cannabis with the AIDS meds is probably led to the hallucination that Sarah Palin is not Trig's mother.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at September 11, 2009 12:27 PM (IoUF1) 5
Would you all have felt better if Obama pardoned him instead, ala Scooter Libby.
Posted by: honest cloud at September 11, 2009 12:28 PM (4dCEv) 6
"Something tells me this isn't the first time Andrew Sullivan has gotten busted by a park ranger"
Jim Treacher Posted by: aquaviva at September 11, 2009 12:28 PM (RwKlg) 7
Yet this turd Andrew Sullivan is still considered, and still considers himself, a conservative. When is this charade going to end? Posted by: Tweet, Let's Roll at September 11, 2009 12:28 PM (jVldi) 8
Delahunt. I might have known. That cocksucker, right out of the gate after 9/11, accused W of cowardice because he flew to safety right after the attacks, then went to the White House after the situation was secure. He should have a close encounter with the Barbed Cock of Satan when the time comes.
As for Randy Andy...he's just trying to medicate his AIDS-related dementia. Oh, and it's Trig's fault. Or something. Posted by: joncelli at September 11, 2009 12:29 PM (RD7QR) 9
So can we call him and illegal alien now? Waiting for the next installment of Patterico's "Deport the Criminals First"... Posted by: Mama AJ at September 11, 2009 12:29 PM (X6Zdh) 10
Wait -- he's a Brit? And still "in the process" of applying for US citizenship? They oughta deport his ass back to the Worker's Paradise of Nu-Lab Britain. Posted by: stuiec at September 11, 2009 12:29 PM (7AOgy) 11
I honestly did not know that slimebag was British.
Posted by: Jean at September 11, 2009 12:29 PM (L64A6) 12
We know this happens, it just sucks to have your face rubbed in it like this. For $125.. that's less than a speeding ticket, for Pete's sake. Some animals are more equal than others.
Posted by: Lazarus at September 11, 2009 12:30 PM (91P0t) 13
Tweet - when people stop paying attention to him. Unfortunately, as with trolls, some haven't learned to stop "feeding" them.
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at September 11, 2009 12:30 PM (JCOYu) 14
Unreported, of course, is the circle jerk and milky load swap the corrupt lawyer, the corrupt pundit, and the corrupt Obama lawyer had in celebration of the dismissal. Film (in the Off-White House) at 11.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 11, 2009 12:30 PM (prBaA) 15
Sullivan gets the Ted Kennedy treatment? Must be an east coast/ Irish thing.
Posted by: LAsue at September 11, 2009 12:30 PM (meRKW) 16
Oh, and Scooter Libby's sentence was commuted -- he was not pardoned.
Posted by: joncelli at September 11, 2009 12:30 PM (RD7QR) 17
The shame is that for an Englishman, he might actually be Conservative.
Posted by: Jean at September 11, 2009 12:31 PM (L64A6) 18
I was stunned to find out he has a place in Provincetown.
Posted by: JWF at September 11, 2009 12:31 PM (1l37M) Posted by: Original Roy at September 11, 2009 12:32 PM (jV0wG) 20
The reasoning is utter crap -- "you have to let him off the hook, because if he's got a criminal record, that might hurt his chances of becoming a US citizen!"
Um, so? There are a hell of a lot of people more deserving of US citizenship than Andrew "Milky Loads" Sullivan. Fer crissake, if he's not allowed to stay, you know what happens? He has to go back to England! We're not talking about someone who will be hanged from the nearest lamppost upon his return. We're not even talking about someone fleeing poverty. We're talking about a mildly-deranged Brit. Send him the hell home, already. Give his spot on the immigration lists to someone who deserves it. Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 11, 2009 12:32 PM (IuKAf) 21
Would you all have felt better if Obama pardoned him instead, ala Scooter Libby.
Considering the fairly wide latitude that Presidents have in regards to pardons, it would have the advantage of being, you know, legal. By the way, shouldn't you have added your standard "I'm not gay, but...." disclaimer? There's nothing wrong with being true to yourself. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 11, 2009 12:33 PM (btril) 22
Just in case anyone's not aware, in MA, marijuana possession is a civil infraction, not a criminal offense. The penalty is a $100 ticket and confiscation of the weed. No criminal record. Not sure why Sully [p'tew!] felt the need to bring in Dellahunt.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 11, 2009 12:33 PM (z4es9) 23
If he was in a park, shouldn't he have been busted doing crack?
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 11, 2009 12:33 PM (5aa4z) 24
Deport the little vermin. Posted by: The Great Satan™ at September 11, 2009 12:33 PM (GK2JS) 25
Is it too early to start saying "culture of corruption"?
Posted by: maddogg at September 11, 2009 12:34 PM (OlN4e) 26
It's becoming more and more obvious that if you have a (D) next to your name, the US Attorney won't bother with you. Hell, even the IRS won't bother you.
Posted by: GarandFan at September 11, 2009 12:34 PM (ZQBnQ) 27
Well, it certainly is a good thing that Government is the sole repository of virtue, not like those nasty businessmen and capitalists who only want profit!.
And we can always count on our virtuous officials to treat everyone fairly and equally, just like they will when we have nationalized health care and....... what? But...but...... WTF! Posted by: The Commissar of Love at September 11, 2009 12:34 PM (ao5cQ) 28
said it would have resulted in an “adverse effect” on an unspecified
“immigration status” that Sullivan, a British citizen, is applying for.
Wait... Andrew Sullivan is an illegal alien? Posted by: enoxo at September 11, 2009 12:35 PM (3HxIN) 29
This opens up the question, "Who does Andrew Sullivan need to screw to get deported?"
Posted by: Rich Fader at September 11, 2009 12:35 PM (F/NXC) 30
Free Pot for Everyone!
Posted by: Andy Sullivan at September 11, 2009 12:35 PM (84yWb) Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 11, 2009 12:35 PM (/+GDy) 32
I would deport Sullivan as an "undesirable".
Posted by: maddogg at September 11, 2009 12:36 PM (OlN4e) 33
Andrew Sullivan couldn't be reached for comment, a spokesmen said he had his hands full at his office which is a Truck Stop Bathroom on Route 66
Posted by: Ben at September 11, 2009 12:36 PM (wuv1c) 34
What's the big deal? It's not like I was smoking it. I generally store pot up my anus (along with the odd assortment of flotsam and jetsam) to get a high through osmosis.
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at September 11, 2009 12:36 PM (cxGtL) 35
Two words, whiners: "special relationship".
Posted by: The Obama Administration at September 11, 2009 12:37 PM (jV0wG) 36
Cape Cod, it's close to Hyannis Port and Chappaquiddick, no? Nothing seems to stick to demorats up there....
Posted by: NancyPiglosi at September 11, 2009 12:38 PM (lzz2P) 37
While personally I think pot should be legal, even though i don't use it, I do understand that it is currently against the law and that being caught in posession of it should result in a fine or whatever the law requires
Posted by: Ben at September 11, 2009 12:38 PM (wuv1c) 38
Both the federal prosecutor and Sullivan’s attorney said it would have
resulted in an “adverse effect” on an unspecified “immigration status”
that Sullivan, a British citizen, is applying for.
Why should a federal prosecutor give a shit about Sullivan's immigration status? Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 11, 2009 12:38 PM (jV9DU) 39
It's time for a DNA test on Andy's blue tie.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 11, 2009 12:39 PM (5aa4z) 40
Where is Rev. Al Sharpton screaming "if this had been a black man he would be in jail right now"! Nevermind...... Posted by: Roadking at September 11, 2009 12:39 PM (Vc0hw) 41
I thought sulli preferred doing blow in public parks. (And don't bother reading my email of 20 minutes ago, Ace.) Posted by: andycanuck at September 11, 2009 12:39 PM (1Nk79) 42
The law applies to me, but to not (D).
Posted by: I have a Jalen Rose jersey at September 11, 2009 12:40 PM (4jZ56) 43
While personally I think pot should be legal, even though i don't use
it, I do understand that it is currently against the law and that being
caught in posession of it should result in a fine or whatever the law
requires.
That he was caught with pot is not a big deal as far as I'm concerned. The fact that he called a friend in government to get him out of a $100 ticket is. Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 11, 2009 12:40 PM (z4es9) 44
Farmer Joe,
I think that being in a National Park makes it a federal offense.Overriding Mass law. Posted by: Mal at September 11, 2009 12:41 PM (Z+qzA) 45
This is not what I'd hoped for in an article about Andrew Sullivan getting off.
Posted by: Barney Frank at September 11, 2009 12:41 PM (5Rrm3) 46
Pot should be legal; and if he had knuckled under, paid his fine / gone to the local clink, and blogged his annoyance later then I'd be delivering a pro-Sullivan rant about now. If he'd been charged with actual prison time I'd be out there demonstrating (yes, even for him). But calling in markers from the federal DoJ is feudal-scale douchebaggery. Lord Sullivan acts like he is in the royal court and not beholden to the laws that govern the rest of us. If I were busted down in, say, Galveston toking up, I could expect months or years up in Huntsville at the Pound-Me-In-The-Ass Prison (which might even be the name its administrators use on their letterhead). Posted by: David Ross at September 11, 2009 12:41 PM (GwV+j) Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at September 11, 2009 12:41 PM (IoUF1) 48
Stories like this should get a few minutes on Fox News so millions can see what unconstitutional double standards our illegitimate govt is engaged in. Frankly Fox should have a 30 min Clown Hour that parades the naked leftist lies each day and highlights the lunatics on the left, from babbling cretins like Olbermann and Maher to pointing out the outright lies that obama spews each day.
Posted by: The Great Satan™ at September 11, 2009 12:41 PM (GK2JS) 49
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I think federal jurisdiction might apply as the Cape Cod National Seashore is a federally managed park. Posted by: Big Daddy at September 11, 2009 12:41 PM (pOcKt) 50
Herr Morganholz: If he was in a park, shouldn't he have been busted doing crack?
Asscrack, maybe - in the mens' restroom, of course. Posted by: Jazz at September 11, 2009 12:42 PM (hnq5i) 51
...And in some cynical, lunatic rightwing fringe sort of way, you crazy morons would even call this special treatment: http://tinyurl.com/lcs7sn
Via Mere Rhetoric Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 11, 2009 12:42 PM (/+GDy) 52
36 Cape Cod, it's close to Hyannis Port and Chappaquiddick, no? Nothing seems to stick to demorats up there.... Seems to be so, ayuh...
Posted by: Trish at September 11, 2009 12:42 PM (lzz2P) 53
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Would you all have felt better if Obama pardoned him instead, ala Scooter Libby.
And what exactly did Scooter Libby do? Out "CIA Operative" Valerie Plame? Review the facts on this one. (1) Valerie Plame was working a desk job, she was not a "covert operative" at the time her name came up (hadn't been for several years), (2) Valerie Plame outed herself at the time she still was covert, by revealing her status to her soon to be husband. And when exactly are we going to prosecute the defense attorneys for the gitmo detainees who have been revealing the identities of REAL covert agents to their terrorist clients? Posted by: TiminVA at September 11, 2009 12:42 PM (6bLB1) Posted by: Megan McCain at September 11, 2009 12:43 PM (AQj/2) Posted by: Roadking at September 11, 2009 12:43 PM (Vc0hw) 56
Do Allah and Charles Johnson smoke weed? Perhaps the three of them can get together and smoke a doob...
Posted by: Megan McCain at September 11, 2009 12:43 PM (AQj/2) 57
I hadn't considered the National Park angle. Thanks for the heads-up.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 11, 2009 12:45 PM (z4es9) 58
Apparently being an AIDS infested psychopath, with a public history of unprotected sex whilst being infected with AIDS and manifesting signs of AIDS related Dementia is not enough to stop a change in his immigration status. But my brother-in-law, a radiographer with a BS, can't get in from Canada because there isn't enough demand for his medical skill. Right. I'll bet Andi had a grand time "thanking" his attornies.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 11, 2009 12:46 PM (6ZPfw) 59
I thought his HIV status was messing up his immigration application. He must be counting on a rules change in Obamaland.
I can tell you, immigrating in the other direction, even a civil charge would be enough to get you deported with prejudice. Unless you're some flavor of refugee splodeydope. Posted by: S. Weasel at September 11, 2009 12:46 PM (1U1V1) 60
I thought Sullivan was big into the whole if the law was broken we must prosecute. Or was that just for members of the Bush administration?
Posted by: AndrewsDad at September 11, 2009 12:48 PM (C2//T) 61
Eric Holder : most indictable AG since Mitchell.
They filled in the swimming pool at Eglin, but the bocci and tennis courts are still open and there's still no fences, so you can kinda imagine its a country club. I think they have stables for your unicorn too. Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 11, 2009 12:49 PM (ahmBy) Posted by: Trolling at September 11, 2009 12:49 PM (9LJoL) 63
Someone convicted of the same crime should file a due process suit against the Federal government. Due process requires the laws to be applied equally right ? If Federal prohibition doesn't apply to Andy then it shouldn't apply to anyone else. Posted by: California Red at September 11, 2009 12:49 PM (2YvP2) 64
Does anyone really think this is the first time Andi got caught sucking in a joint in P-Town? Posted by: wiserbud at September 11, 2009 12:49 PM (gd022) Posted by: dananjcon at September 11, 2009 12:50 PM (1B81L) 66
Perhaps the three of them can get together and smoke a doob... Will you have sex with me? Posted by: dummy steel at September 11, 2009 12:50 PM (1Nk79) 67
I am offended by this whole thing, but I've got a couple of questions. If the parties were in agreement regarding dismissing the charges, why was there a hearing at all? Why didn't the prosecutor dismiss the complaint before it ever hit the judge's docket? Why didn't the prosecution and defense present a stip and order of dismissal without a hearing? Seems to me there'd be some procedural way to avoid the hearing and accomplish the same result. I'm glad there wasn't, mind you - we'd miss the opportunity to heap more abuse on Sullivan, that chronic abuser of truth.
Posted by: Jazz at September 11, 2009 12:51 PM (hnq5i) 68
As much as I detest Andrew Sullivan, no one should go to jail for cannabis use. End the "war on drugs".
Posted by: ducktrapper at September 11, 2009 12:51 PM (6kZI3) 69
And what exactly did Scooter Libby do? Out "CIA Operative" Valerie
Plame? Review the facts on this one. (1) Valerie Plame was working a
desk job, she was not a "covert operative" at the time her name came up
(hadn't been for several years), (2) Valerie Plame outed herself at the
time she still was covert, by revealing her status to her soon to be
husband.
At the time, I proposed that Bush pardon Patrick Fitzgerald for any possible action that would be brought against him for his prosecutorial misconduct in the case. It would have been the perfect slam. Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2009 12:51 PM (T0NGe) Posted by: wiserbud at September 11, 2009 12:52 PM (gd022) Posted by: Deety at September 11, 2009 12:53 PM (aVzyR) 72
If I were the judge, I would dismiss with prejudice EVERY damn case brought by the US Attorney until Obama himself came to the court to apologize.
Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at September 11, 2009 12:53 PM (v3pYe) 73
"I thought Sullivan was big into the whole if the law was broken we must prosecute."
Exactly on point. It's always the "principle" that "compels" the Lefties to hound people they don't like. When one of their own gets busted, those vaunted "principles" get thrown out the window. Hey Andy, pay the fine, wait in line for your citizenship (or not), and bury your head in shame for your flagrant hypocrisy. You are the worst kind of fraud. Posted by: Celts22 at September 11, 2009 12:55 PM (R7wy8) 74
Cape Cod National Seashore now declared a "weed zone" free of prosecution for drug related activities.
Posted by: Neo at September 11, 2009 12:55 PM (tE8FB) 75
As much as I detest Andrew Sullivan, no one should go to jail for cannabis use. End the "war on drugs". It was a $125 fine, not jail time. Posted by: andycanuck at September 11, 2009 12:55 PM (1Nk79) 76
So Andrew Sullivan gets the Chris Dodd treatment.
Posted by: JEM at September 11, 2009 12:55 PM (G8Eo0) 77
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As much as I detest Andrew Sullivan, no one should go to jail for cannabis use. End the "war on drugs".
Posted by: ducktrapper at September 11, 2009 12:51 PM (6kZI3) Lo and behold, it was a $125 fine. And to the libertarians, sure end the drug war -- after ending the welfare state. Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2009 12:56 PM (T0NGe) 78
Splendid day in the shire, but oh to disappoint it with the news that a good Surrey boy never did acquire the lesson of when to spit and when to swallow.
Posted by: Finely Creased Pants and other indicators of the Post-Partisan Era at September 11, 2009 12:56 PM (GtYrq) 79
Speaking truth to power, baby, that's all it's about...
Posted by: GuyfromNH at September 11, 2009 12:57 PM (IQWiJ) Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 11, 2009 12:58 PM (z4es9) Posted by: Fritz at September 11, 2009 12:58 PM (GwPRU) 82
ducktrapper, cannabis was decrim'ed in MA last election. Nobody is going to jail. In fact, most people (80-85%) who have rec'd citations have simply failed to pay. There's no enforcement mechanism. Sullivan already gets a pass for his weed use, but he (and his Lefty cronies) shouldn't get a pass for manipulating the legal system of the US.
Posted by: Celts22 at September 11, 2009 12:58 PM (R7wy8) 83
ducktrapper, cannabis was decrim'ed in MA last election. Nobody is
going to jail. In fact, most people (80-85%) who have rec'd citations
have simply failed to pay. There's no enforcement mechanism. Sullivan
already gets a pass for his weed use, but he (and his Lefty cronies)
shouldn't get a pass for manipulating the legal system of the US.
This is what I'm saying. Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 11, 2009 12:59 PM (z4es9) 84
The dismissal is rather important since Sullivan is presently in limbo on whether or not he will have to leave the United States as a foreign national infected with the AIDS virus.
Take the wrap and move on with life. Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at September 11, 2009 12:59 PM (GtYrq) 85
If Power Glutes had instead confined himself to huffing his beagle's animal tranks, this unfortunate dalliance with the rough men in sleek, tight-fitting uniforms could have been avoided.
Posted by: George Orwell at September 11, 2009 12:59 PM (AZGON) 86
In fact, noted Collings, there were several other defendants
appearing in court the same day who were charged with the same offense.
The hope is that on that day, when the other defendants came before Judge Collings, that he "gave" them the same sort of "punishment" that Excitable Andi got, much to the dismay of the U.S. Attorney. And for some extra popcorn, if the U.S. Attorney objects, Collings could make him explain in great detail why those other cases are different from Andi's. We can only dream. Posted by: David in San Diego at September 11, 2009 01:00 PM (GF+6V) 87
Dammit, they let Sullivan go because it might trigger revocation of his Green Card? There goes a probably once-in-a-lifetime chance of deporting the poisonous toad back to Old Blighty. Was this a "thank you" from the Obama justice dept. for his (Sullivan's) razors and fingernails job on Sarah Palin? #$%%*! Inquiring minds want to know. Posted by: Minnie Rodent at September 11, 2009 01:00 PM (2Y+xz) 88
Sullivan's bust was on federal land. MA law is a moot point.
Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at September 11, 2009 01:00 PM (GtYrq) Posted by: SlaveDog at September 11, 2009 01:00 PM (H6Jyg) 90
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Would you all have felt better if Obama pardoned him instead, ala Scooter Libby.
Posted by: honest cloud at September 11, 2009 12:28 PM (4dCEv) I'd feel better if you choked to death. Posted by: UncleFacts Summoner of Meteors, Overseer of Burghers at September 11, 2009 01:01 PM (vZVv7) 91
So to recap: Bill Richardson: charges dropped. Black Panthers: charges dropped. Andrew Sullivan: charges dropped. CIA engaged in fighting terrorism: investigate!
Posted by: biff at September 11, 2009 01:01 PM (G0tCZ) 92
I missed Rush's first two callers. Were they moonbats? Did Rush give them a beating? Posted by: Tweetin Donuts at September 11, 2009 01:01 PM (kNCf7) 93
Was not aware of the Gay Panthers group...
Posted by: t-bird at September 11, 2009 01:03 PM (FcR7P) 94
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Sullivan's bust was on federal land. MA law is a moot point.
I hadn't thought of that. I'll have to go check, but now I presume the Park Service people busted him, rather than the local coppers? Posted by: Celts22 at September 11, 2009 01:04 PM (R7wy8) 95
Speaking of illegal aliens, er, "undocumented", what ever happened to Obammie's auntie? And no, I don't mean her eligibility for the "government option".
Posted by: Son of a Pig and a Monkey at September 11, 2009 01:04 PM (KsxrY) Posted by: andycanuck at September 11, 2009 01:04 PM (1Nk79) 97
Not Gay Panthers, Gay Chickenhawks. Andi doesn't really hate chickenhawks. He luvs 'em something fierce.
A chickenhawk or chicken hawk is slang used in American and British gay culture to denote older males who prefer younger males for partners Posted by: George Orwell at September 11, 2009 01:04 PM (AZGON) 98
It's time to start a war on people not reading links before commenting. Posted by: andycanuck at September 11, 2009 01:05 PM (1Nk79) 99
I voted to decriminalize marijuana in Mass.But considering this happened on federal lands and involves not just Andy Sullivan but my scumbag Congressman Bill Delahunt I want heads to roll.
BTW Delahunt does have a Republican challenger next year.I know it's a long shot but Plymouth County is the only purple county in Mass. Posted by: Mal at September 11, 2009 01:07 PM (Z+qzA) 100
OT: Gallup is out with their daily poll, showing no change from yesterday. Rasmussen had Obama up one, from 48 to 49. Bottom line: so far "the greatest speech of his presidency" is not a game changer.
Posted by: Shooter McGavin at September 11, 2009 01:10 PM (cxGtL) 101
Lest anybody forget, the point here is that, for the Obama administration, the rule of law is moot. It's the rule of an oligarchy. Since they tend to be connected by Ivy League law graduates, I call it the lawligarchy.
In any case, this has relevance for the health care debate. If you think you're getting the same care as a Friend of Obama, think again. In fact, they'll be checking your party registration, count on it. I wonder if it would be fruitful to remind the Democrats that they won't be in charge forever and that I, for one, will advocate denying care for my political enemies. Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2009 01:10 PM (T0NGe) 102
Frankly Fox should have a 30 min Clown Hour that parades the naked leftist lies each day and highlights the lunatics on the left
Okay, I just threw up in my mouth a little. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 11, 2009 01:11 PM (btril) 103
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OT: Gallup is out with their daily poll, showing no change from
yesterday. Rasmussen had Obama up one, from 48 to 49. Bottom line: so
far "the greatest speech of his presidency" is not a game changer.
As Ace posted, Ras' poll showed that Strongly Approve increased. So, the Dems' spines were stiffened, but look for them to be deflated after seeing the Gallup results. Posted by: AmishDude at September 11, 2009 01:12 PM (T0NGe) 104
@ 47 O/T: Chris Farley's brother considering running for Lt. Governor in Wisconsin
He must be having difficulty getting roles in Hollywood, considering his non-Lefty inclinations. Posted by: Curly Mustard at September 11, 2009 01:13 PM (sOpAl) 105
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Both the federal prosecutor and Sullivan’s attorney said it would have
resulted in an “adverse effect” on an unspecified “immigration status”
that Sullivan, a British citizen, is applying for.
Why should a federal prosecutor give a shit about Sullivan's immigration status?
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 11, 2009 12:38 PM (jV9DU) Did they inquire as to the immigration status of any other violator? I suspect not. The Judge should have held the prosecutor in contempt and dismissed every other pot case that day. Posted by: Jean at September 11, 2009 01:15 PM (L64A6) 106
Dare I say that it appears that poles are not the only thing Andrew smokes!
Posted by: The Opinionator at September 11, 2009 01:16 PM (j2wCU) 107
#106
You are responsible for cleaning my keyboard. Posted by: George Orwell at September 11, 2009 01:17 PM (AZGON) 108
But the U.S. Attorney’s Office sought to dismiss the case. Both the federal prosecutor and Sullivan’s attorney said it would have resulted in an “adverse effect” on an unspecified “immigration status” that Sullivan, a British citizen, is applying for. How does this affect some unnamed people from some unnamed country south of our border? Posted by: harleycowboy at September 11, 2009 01:17 PM (JKGfQ) 109
So the federal prosecutor took the position advanced by the defendant and against that of the judge. Isn't the prosecutor's job by definition to represent the interest of the state? Isn't this guy's salary paid by the taxpayers? WTF?
Posted by: muggedbyreality at September 11, 2009 01:20 PM (gJ2Uz) 110
How does this affect some unnamed people from some unnamed country south of our border?
Don't play coy with me, you wingnut. I know very well you mean Tasmania. Posted by: George Orwell at September 11, 2009 01:21 PM (AZGON) 111
Sorry George Orwell. I always heard he was a pole-smoker. Now I realize that they were saying pot-smoker. My bad.
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He must be having difficulty getting roles in Hollywood, considering his non-Lefty inclinations.
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Well this seems to answer the question most people have after reading one of his columns:
Q: "What the hell was he smoking?" A: pole & weed Posted by: Che Pizza at September 11, 2009 01:23 PM (SPSOE) Posted by: B. Obama at September 11, 2009 01:24 PM (SPSOE) 115
Due process requires the laws to be applied equally right ? If Federal prohibition doesn't apply to Andy then it shouldn't apply to anyone else. Only to citizens of this country.......unless you're a politician or celeb. Posted by: harleycowboy at September 11, 2009 01:24 PM (JKGfQ) 116
Has this country already passed the tipping point? The rule of law, adhearence to constitutional practices, simple honesty and fairness (or at least curiosity) from journalists; none of that exists any longer. We are the frog, the water is boiling, and we don't notice.
Posted by: Hammer at September 11, 2009 01:26 PM (1kwr2) 117
At the hearing, Collings observed that Sullivan would still have to
state on his application that he had been charged with a crime, and
Kb>he asked both the prosecutor and Sullivan’s attorney, Robert
Delahunt Jr. (cousin of U. S. Rep. William D. Delahunt), for more
information about why paying the $125 would have “any additional
adverse effect.”
This is of course obvious. the US Attorney's office is assisting Sullivan in lying to Immigration officials on official paperwork, and committing fraud by removing the most obvious evidence of his expected future lies. Which I didn't realize was part of the US Attorney's job title. Accessory to criminal activity isn't the first thing I think of when I think of a US Attorney. I guess Orwell got to their naming conventions too. In fact, I could use a wheelman for a bank job I'm looking at next week... since the US Attorney's office is aiding and abetting criminals and assisting criminal activity; could I perhaps use them for a getaway driver? Posted by: Jeez, not really. at September 11, 2009 01:26 PM (X0NX1) 118
Danged sockpuppet... previous comment was me.
Posted by: Gekkobear at September 11, 2009 01:26 PM (X0NX1) 119
The rule of law, adhearence to constitutional practices, simple honesty
and fairness (or at least curiosity) from journalists; none of that
exists any longer.
This isn't 'Nam, Smokey. There are rules. Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 11, 2009 01:33 PM (z4es9) 120
Isn't getting caught with narcotics supposed to endanger an application for U.S. citizenship? Jesus Christ, some asian lady who had applied for citizenship walked a little too far on the Friendship Bridge between the U.S. and Canada. She was with her husband. They wouldn't let her back into the country because she went outside the U.S. without submitting the necessary paperwork. I mean, they wouldn't let her back in at all. She was Insta-Deported (tm). Maybe if whe wrote columns bashing Republicans it would have all been copacetic. What is the value to our society of the stinking mess that is Andrew Sullivan? Is he considered a high-quality immigrant? Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 11, 2009 01:35 PM (w41GQ) 121
Ok, so now we can have charges dropped against us for whatever because it would affect our future attempt at whatever.
Posted by: Mark at September 11, 2009 01:35 PM (Kxq4w) Posted by: Sir Elliot at September 11, 2009 01:36 PM (DUNS7) 123
What is the value to our society of the stinking mess that is Andrew Sullivan? Is he considered a high-quality immigrant?
Some consider him a high-quality lubricant. He is certainly expert on such matters. Posted by: George Orwell at September 11, 2009 01:36 PM (AZGON) 124
new england shore breezes atlantic sunrises a fine merlot a cool buzz & COCK! A summer Haiku by Sully.
Posted by: dananjcon at September 11, 2009 01:36 PM (1B81L) 125
The funny part is, if he'd been smoking it on a P'town street corner, no one would likely have cared. (Or even noticed.)
Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 11, 2009 01:38 PM (z4es9) 126
Yes, I realize, in this instance, it was $125.00 fine, however, many people are still doing time for cannabis use and more will be convicted before it's over ... so .... as much as I detest Andrew Sullivan, no one should go to jail for cannabis use or be fined for using it. So if we need more than one subject, let's end the war on drugs, the welfare state and the heartbreak of psoriasis while we're at it.
Posted by: ducktrapper at September 11, 2009 01:48 PM (6kZI3) 127
Excuse me. Bear fucker, do you need assistance?
Posted by: Park Ranger at September 11, 2009 01:57 PM (b+cwQ) 128
"Rotten stinking bastards. Sullivan, his corrupt connected lawyer,
that miserable corrupt bastard Delahunt, that miserable corrupt Obama attorney All lookin' out for each other." Ace, These people are not "looking out for each other" as you put it. They're committing obstruction of justice. That's a felony. We should be asking former Republican Attorney General's what the penalty is for obstruction of justice. Posted by: someguy at September 11, 2009 01:57 PM (VRJIW) 129
Yes, I realize, in this instance, it was $125.00 fine, however, many people are still doing time for cannabis use and more will be convicted before it's over ... so .... as much as I detest Andrew Sullivan, no one should go to jail for cannabis use or be fined for using it. So if we need more than one subject, let's end the war on drugs, the welfare state and the heartbreak of psoriasis while we're at it. I am as much of a libertarian on social issues as anyone. We have tried for 70 years or so to end marijauna use by crimminalizing it and it hasn't worked. It has made things worse by creating murderous gangs that traffic it. That however does not exuse The Federal Justice Department from selectively deciding who in the hell they prosecute based on status or politics. A lot of dumbasses who don't have 2 nickels to rub together will be going to jail or paying fines for the same offense because they aren't Andrew Sullivan. Posted by: robtr at September 11, 2009 01:57 PM (H60q6) 130
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Agreed. Aunt Zituni can stay. Milky Glutes gets off without a fine. But my husband was banned from the country for 3 years with no solid reason. Just "wrong visa", so technically he had overstayed it. While being married to a US citizen for a year. (It takes two years of waiting for the interview.) Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at September 11, 2009 02:02 PM (b+cwQ) 131
I wonder of Andy mistook the uniformed park ranger who issued the citation for one of those P-Town uniform guys....Just asking the question that needs to be asked.
Posted by: Big Daddy at September 11, 2009 02:06 PM (pOcKt) Posted by: Big Daddy at September 11, 2009 02:08 PM (pOcKt) 133
Please is anyone really surprised that the (Holder) justice department would not file charges on a Obami Cheerleader? My god a vision of ugly Andy in a cheerleaders outfit jumped into my head, Ugh get out. A lack of morals, judgement and corruption is almost a symbol of this administration but to excuse someone as stupid and pathitic as crazy andy is beyond my understanding.
Posted by: John at September 11, 2009 02:09 PM (bvaOU) 134
Really really weird that a percentage of folks are hung up on cannabis criminality. Its not the point. The law as it is now was broken by many people. The charges got dropped against this person of privilege - solely because he is a person of privilege. The other people still got punished. Ducktrapper (which is also probably illegal) don't cry for sullivan cry for the other dozen or so people at the cattle call for charges that didn't get dropped. . . Your dubie brothers in arms got screwed and Sullivan got off scot free. Worse, the "MAN" whose laws you decry, actually bent the rules for one of privilege and left the rest to face the pain of the 125 fine and public record - if it quacks like a duck Posted by: joe at September 11, 2009 02:10 PM (YwBI6) 135
Sullivan's a contemptible idiot. However, he's smart.
He gets busted. Whether civil infraction or misdemeanor criminal offense (and it is a criminal offense under federal statute), if he's found guilty, he risks deportation. In order to pay the relatively small fine, Sullivan must plead guilty. If he doesn't plead guilty, only two options remain. Go to trial which the government would win OR dismiss the case. The only person with the power to dismiss the case for any reason or no reason is the U.S. Attorney or his/her assistant. The judge got mad because it makes him look like a douche to find all the other offenders guilty and accept their fine money while Sullivan prances away. Well, the judge can pound sand. Let's see. You work in a U.S. Attorney's office. You like your job. Maybe you hope one day to become THE U.S. Attorney which requires a presidential appointment which requires a congressional sponsorship from your home state. So let's give it to Sullivan. He hired the brother of a powerful Massacusetts congressman to "have a meeting" with the prosecutor. Oh, and Sullivan is a "prominent" lefty supporter of Obama. As you may have heard your Dad say at one time, "It ain't what you know, it's who you know." Or in this case, who you hire. Posted by: Dave at September 11, 2009 02:12 PM (Xm1aB) 136
Really really weird that a percentage of folks are hung up on cannabis
criminality. Its not the point. The law as it is now was broken by many
people. The charges got dropped against this person of privilege -
solely because he is a person of privilege.
No, we get that. But part of the problem is that the more pointless laws we have, the more likely stuff like this is to happen. Especially when there's a Culture of Corruption at work. Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 11, 2009 02:13 PM (z4es9) 137
Joe - If you read my post more carefully, you'll find we agree.
Posted by: ducktrapper at September 11, 2009 02:13 PM (6kZI3) 138
127: I'm freaking ouuut... maaaan! Posted by: David Ross at September 11, 2009 02:16 PM (GwV+j) 139
The way that is phrased, by the way, suggests (without quite proving) it was the political-appointee US Attorney making the call, rather than the careerist AUSA.
Andrew called in a favor and it made it's way up and down the food chain. Simple as that. It's what you get for felicitating Obama for years. Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 11, 2009 02:25 PM (MbyMv) 140
You all remember when the US Attorney intervened and had charges against Limbaugh dropped? Neither did I.* That incident was as close to a 1-to-1 comparison as the universe will ever provide.
*Charges were dropped only after he agreed to go into rehab and pay $30,000, which is considerably more than zero dollars. Posted by: dorkafork at September 11, 2009 02:34 PM (iBJqQ) 141
Well - you can't just do away with "pointless" laws guys. Malum Prohibitum laws - cannibis possession, speeding etc. regulatory offenses blah blah blah are all arguably pointless - they are not prohibiting inherently evil activity. Try and live in a civilized way without them in a society like we have today. (Okay if live 250 miles away from your nearest neighbor on a montana ranch - not so good for most people however.) In a perfect world we wouldn't need em. It aint a perfect world. Neverthless, and assuming for the sake of arugment that doobage possession laws are pointless - the pointless laws we do have should be enforced equally.
Posted by: joe at September 11, 2009 02:36 PM (YwBI6) 142
I'm so happy today! The world is bright and gay! It's a Moron Fitzmas, When they bust Sully's ass, Now let's ship that Brit twit away! Posted by: Robert Stacy McCain at September 11, 2009 02:39 PM (mAdEa) 143
Malum Prohibitum laws - cannibis possession, speeding etc. regulatory
offenses blah blah blah are all arguably pointless - they are not
prohibiting inherently evil activity. Try and live in a civilized way
without them in a society like we have today.
We could live perfectly well without cannibis prohibition. In fact, I would argue that we would live better because A) We wouldn't be wasting public money on enforcement, B) we wouldn't have civil-liberty-destroying follow-on laws (i.e. asset forfeiture, etc), C) People's lives wouldn't be ruined by getting a criminal record for something very minor, and D) The violence associated with the drug trade would be reduced. Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 11, 2009 02:45 PM (z4es9) Posted by: phreshone at September 11, 2009 02:51 PM (wQx2m) 145
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Posted by: EBJ at September 11, 2009 03:08 PM (ocHBO) 146
part of the problem is that the more pointless laws we have, the more likely stuff like this is to happen. It has nothing to do with whether you consider the laws "pointless" or not. It's against the law to kill people, in theory, unless your last name is Kennedy. The issue here is the politicization of the justice system, not what you think of the drug laws. Posted by: flenser at September 11, 2009 03:14 PM (zFEDC) 147
Would you all have felt better if Obama pardoned him instead, ala Scooter Libby. Yes, I would have. Next idiotic question? Posted by: flenser at September 11, 2009 03:16 PM (zFEDC) 148
Jeez, big whoop. Marijuana should not be illegal in the first place.
Posted by: Salem at September 11, 2009 03:51 PM (sTYE1) 149
I thought about the Fed angle also. I stopped at comment 105, but if this was a Fed bust, why would they have assessed the Mass. $125 fee? I can't imagine the Fed penalty would be the same.
Posted by: Confused at September 11, 2009 04:12 PM (EJG5+) 150
US Code for simple possession of controlled substances:
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Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, a person convicted under this subsection for the possession of a mixture or substance which contains cocaine base shall be imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 20 years, and fined a minimum of $1,000, if the conviction is a first conviction under this subsection and the amount of the mixture or substance exceeds 5 grams, if the conviction is after a prior conviction for the possession of such a mixture or substance under this subsection becomes final and the amount of the mixture or substance exceeds 3 grams, or if the conviction is after 2 or more prior convictions for the possession of such a mixture or substance under this subsection become final and the amount of the mixture or substance exceeds 1 gram.
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I thought it was: 'It ain't what or who you know, but who you BLOW'.
Posted by: Andi's Uvula at September 11, 2009 04:39 PM (FyZ5a) 152
Well that's what, three groups of criminals let go because they were Friends of Obama? ACORN's tax evasion advisors will likely face the same sort of help from the Obama justice department.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2009 04:41 PM (PQY7w) 153
As this story unfolds (or doesn't), you'd be wise to note how much or little coverage this gets from Andi's coworkers, present and past, and adjust your "friend" and "foe" lists accordingly.
Posted by: oblig. at September 11, 2009 04:46 PM (2wzYk) 154
Move along. Nothing to see here, folks.
It might be worth covering if it was something serious - like No-Doz. Posted by: MSM at September 11, 2009 04:49 PM (O7Q1u) 155
"Who do you have to blow around here to get charges dropped? Oh..."
Posted by: A. Sullivan at September 11, 2009 04:57 PM (lFMQG) 156
well, don't expect him to turn on Obama now the way this staunch conservative shifted his opinion on Bush. Where was this Burkean's "wife" while this conduct was occurring?
Posted by: ed at September 11, 2009 05:00 PM (Urhve) 157
perhaps he thought his "wife" had hired the police officer from the Village People for a surprise party on the beach?
Posted by: ed at September 11, 2009 05:02 PM (Urhve) 158
As much as I detest Sullivan (and Obama), I'll defend them here. Having worked as a city prosecutor, this really isn't a big deal.
1. Our normal punishment for first-time MJ possession was 24 hours community service, enrollment in a substance abuse program, and six months loss of driver's license. However, it was not uncommon for either our office to nolle pros the charge or for the judge to grant a later dismissal if the defendant met certain conditions. This was often done if, for instance, the person were in college or would be fired from their job if they were convicted. You don't have to like this, but it's common and part of a prosecutor's discretion. 2. This was done at trial because you can't just up and dismiss charges by sending in a note. Unless, as with traffic tickets, there's some plead-guilty-and-pay-by-mail system in place, you have to go to court. For the prosecutor to nolle pros the charges, this must be done on motion before the judge. 3. Maybe the prosecutor decided this on his own, but I suspect that it was the defense attorney who called him up, sold him a sob story about Sullivan's immigration status and how he's employed as a writer for a major commentary magazine, and how he shouldn't have to risk being deported because he was caught doing something that is no longer even criminal. If I were that prosecutor and were feeling nice that day, I'd probably even buy it. I wouldn't do it for heroin or cocaine, but for marijuana it's not really too much to ask. Anyway, just my thoughts. Posted by: Wolfwood at September 11, 2009 05:12 PM (DF1HJ) 159
Well, that explains that. It's one thing to get stoned now and again. It's quite another to be stoned out of your gourd, every day, all day long ...and try to work.
From the evidence contained within his own columns and articles and posts, apparently Sullivan has been doing the latter for quite some time. ...imagine where you'd be if you'd gotten caught by the police in similar circumstances? Sullivan? He's different. He's special... Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at September 11, 2009 05:49 PM (EEy2h) Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 11, 2009 06:05 PM (ympAm) 161
Wolfwood: locak charges and sentencing requirements are different than federal ones.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 11, 2009 06:11 PM (PQY7w) 162
Topsecretk9 It's what you get for felicitating Obama for years.
Is that what they call it now? Posted by: David Ross at September 11, 2009 07:33 PM (jJ+wN) 163
Was there a previous conviction? Or was it a sizable amount? Immigration law allows a one-time automatic exemption for MJ possession under a certain amount Posted by: pinche migra at September 11, 2009 09:45 PM (B6Fis) 164
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Now his words are not only crazy, they are part of the corrupted class as well.
Posted by: ray at September 12, 2009 12:07 AM (ve72s) 166
I don't know if it is true that a simple marijuana possession conviction could jeopardize Sullivan's immigration status but presumable he does. And it is reasonable to infer that he was threatened by the possibility due to his having hired a (high dollar?) politician's son as a lawyer to defend himself rather than simply paying the $125 fine.
Whatever the case, Sullivan can now legitimately be seen as a wholly owned subsidiary of the Obama administration. Just as the AUSA dropped the charge he could...change his mind. And you can bet Sullivan knows that. Nothing Sullivan writes in the future about politics is free from that taint. Posted by: DaveW at September 12, 2009 11:24 AM (ITg28) 167
Wow. Prosecution/penalties "would result in an “adverse effect” on an unspecified" area of my life. So drop the matter. That's one helluva Defense, there... They call that the "Go 'Way, Ya Bother Me" Defense? Much better than the "Twinkie" Defense, where ya still hafta do some time. Stunning. Posted by: Faye Kinnit at September 12, 2009 11:26 AM (l1oyw) 168
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