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Obama: For the Second Time, the Time for Debate Is Over

He's let Pelosi and Reid know the watchword is "urgency," and Reid and Pelosi promise they have the votes to ram this through.

While White House spokesman Robert Gibbs today refrained from telling reporters whether President Obama in his speech Wednesday night will set a deadline for passing health care reform, sources tell ABC News that in his private meeting with Democratic congressional leaders this afternoon the key word was urgency.

The president told House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., that it is important for them to pass health care reform bills soon, the sources said.

Reid says he can get the public option through, too.

Thanks to AHFF Geoff.

Posted by: Ace at 07:41 PM



Comments

1 A deadline implies a credible threat for noncompliance.  What is the penalty? Another speech?

Posted by: pep at September 08, 2009 07:44 PM (DZyVK)

2 Reid says he can get the public option too.

Where does he say that? In the ABC article you quote, he says he will do his best to get it, but that's not the same thing as predicting he can get it.

Posted by: Shooter McGavin at September 08, 2009 07:44 PM (cxGtL)

3 Ninth!

Posted by: He Hate Me at September 08, 2009 07:44 PM (i8qqR)

4 g-d i hope not.

Posted by: damnit willow at September 08, 2009 07:44 PM (GkYyh)

5 Figures.

In the end, there will be only deception ( and chaos!).

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 08, 2009 07:44 PM (otlXg)

6 Does anybody else get the feeling that, to them, this has nothing to do with healthcare?

I know, I've been under a rock lately.

Posted by: Alex at September 08, 2009 07:44 PM (ETB5s)

7 1 A deadline implies a credible threat for noncompliance.  What is the penalty? Another speech?

No, it's no more devalued dollars for Congresscritters' campaigns.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 08, 2009 07:45 PM (otlXg)

8 Fuck them all. Bring it on and you insure you own demise.

Then the Republican platform for 2010 and 2012 is to REPEAL this legislation as well as cap 'n tax and the stimulus.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 08, 2009 07:45 PM (9Cooa)

9 9the!

Posted by: BUlldada at September 08, 2009 07:46 PM (Jt0Jh)

10 To commenter #3. Fuck you! I got 9th!

Posted by: BUlldada at September 08, 2009 07:47 PM (Jt0Jh)

11 Mark Levin played a quote from BO's speech to "the goons" yesterday.  He argued that since the AMA, the nurses, the hospitals association, AARP and the drug companies are with BO's change in health care then when he describes "the special interests" who he is really speaking about is the American people.  Frightening thought.

Posted by: curious at September 08, 2009 07:47 PM (p302b)

12

Obama: For the Second Time, the Time for Debate Is Over

Wow, think he's going to come off sounding strong and all leader-like in his speech, or like a jerk lecturing Congress and the rest of us?

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 08, 2009 07:53 PM (X6Zdh)

13 Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth = EPIC FAIL

Posted by: Bluecaper at September 08, 2009 07:53 PM (yjeFh)

14 I'm scared.

Posted by: Dagny at September 08, 2009 07:53 PM (6XPxA)

15 Reid, Pelosi and Obama are now permanent residents of Tinkerbell World.

Posted by: SlaveDog at September 08, 2009 07:54 PM (H6Jyg)

Posted by: curious at September 08, 2009 07:54 PM (p302b)

17 14 I'm scared.

I'll hold you.  Hope you don't mind the red ichor of slain creatures of myth...

Wait, are you a moronette?  lol

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 08, 2009 07:55 PM (otlXg)

18 We'll know Barry is serious when he lets Michelle do the talking to Reid and Pelosi.

I just hope they speak Klingon.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 08, 2009 07:56 PM (AZGON)

19 Using "Ram it Through" and "Pelosi" in the same post is just wrong on so many levels.

It's just wrong.

Posted by: SlaveDog at September 08, 2009 07:56 PM (H6Jyg)

20

You would think that this would seal their demise, but they gamble, possibly correctly, that to do this now, against the possibility (real) that the electorate will forget or that other events can be made into a distraction for furture elections.

It could work. And depending on the size of the payoff to the Dem special interests may work. What is the rational response?

Posted by: Thanatos at September 08, 2009 07:57 PM (+cG6R)

21 Be prepared to fight conservatives.  Use every email account, phone line, fax line, web response form and hand written letters to send the message to your representatives.  Visit their local offices, demand your voice be heard.  Once this entitlement gets into law, like a ratchet, there is no turning back.

Posted by: qwerty1 at September 08, 2009 08:00 PM (OPDBx)

22 I wonder whether Pelosi and Reid are giving Obama "ghost divisions" out of a combination of fear of disappointing The One and an overweening overconfidence in their own abilities.

Posted by: stuiec at September 08, 2009 08:01 PM (7AOgy)

23 Make no mistake, we don't have a Congress, we have a Royal Court. They don't care about reelection so much any longer... the older courtiers in Courtgress are salivating at the prospect of lifelong sinecure jobs in the socialized medicine apparatus, sitting on panels and boards, unelected and unaccountable. They know if they get booted, they will still have cushy jobs. Look what Barry did for his lazy wife's salary when he became Senator.

They will ram it through, and lecture us on how they know what is better for the nation than the nation itself does.

The only hope is some kind of monkey wrench or reform in 2010. But say hello to the camel's nose, permanently under the tent flap.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 08, 2009 08:01 PM (AZGON)

24 I think "the key word was urgency" is really their white flag...Obamaspeak and all...

Posted by: model_1066 at September 08, 2009 08:02 PM (rh4Cj)

25 21 Be prepared to fight conservatives.

Why would we want to fight conservatives?  You know where you are, right?

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at September 08, 2009 08:02 PM (kIjlp)

26 America, assume the position!

Posted by: Barry, Nancy and Harry at September 08, 2009 08:03 PM (21Sp8)

27 I continue to believe that they will not let B to the O fail on this...something will pass.  Our best hope is that the blow-back in 2010 allows the R's to regain some control in Congress and then propose legislation that repeals whatever was passed, forcing B to the O to veto it and create havoc for himself.

I was dismayed, to say the least, that Senator Grassley wanted a price-tag closer to $780B on any deal he signs on to. 
 

WTF...so we're at the point where a $780 BILLION craptastic, free-market screwing is considered success????


Posted by: The Hammer at September 08, 2009 08:03 PM (YBTwf)

28 I'd like to ram some pink slips through.  Who's with me!

Posted by: Schlippy at September 08, 2009 08:04 PM (xm1A1)

29

20  What is the rational response?

To create fear.  To remind voters almost incessantly that they now need to be worried about losing their existing health coverage -- especially if there's a "trigger" in the bill to initiate the public option.  To use a graphic image of that trigger on a loaded pistol aimed at every taxpayer's doctor and nurse and pharmacist.

Posted by: stuiec at September 08, 2009 08:04 PM (7AOgy)

30 It was said that they would vote on as soon as they came back.  They aren't going to allow Americans to demonstrate on the 12th.  Waht are they going to demonstrate about, a bill that is a fete au compli?

Posted by: curious at September 08, 2009 08:04 PM (p302b)

31 Reid says he can get the public option through, too.

Sorry Harry, "there are not enough votes in the Senate for a public option."

Posted by: Sen. Max Baucus at September 08, 2009 08:05 PM (iTt2X)

32 it's like their "tell"...they're confident about things that will never be...

Posted by: model_1066 at September 08, 2009 08:05 PM (rh4Cj)

33

There is something wrong when these dipshits are not worried about the upcoming election in 2010..

I have been watching all around the country the rallies and the numbers of citizens and looking at the crowds.

I have seen all the insults by obama and cohorts from "teabaggers to Nazis".

Our representatives know that these are regular folks coming out to these protest/meetings trying to get their elected officials to listen to them as they are the ones who go to the polls.

But they will go ahead and vote for obamas plan? 

Since when has a political hack not worried first and foremost about the next election? From the moment they get elected they are already thinking ahead to what will hurt or help them at the next election.

That is what is supposed to keep them in line and grounded to their constituants.

So if their attitude is "no worries" then one is right to ask 'what evil comes this way'.

The Congress was set up for thoughtful debate and for a slow process so that change comes with understanding and wisdom.

There is no wisdom or understanding happening here, just rushing and waste and lies and mismanagement and so many things hidden from the public eye.

Perilous times indeed.

Posted by: Vanessa at September 08, 2009 08:05 PM (HP5GA)

34 This isn't about health care reform. It's about the destruction of America.

Posted by: torabora at September 08, 2009 08:05 PM (Zd0ae)

35 I thought it was someone's name, but maybe it's really more of a command in the White House:

"Ram it, manual."

Posted by: George Orwell at September 08, 2009 08:06 PM (AZGON)

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at September 08, 2009 08:06 PM (IoUF1)

37 Is what Oreilly is talking about what Beck was talking about people going to jail? The John Adams Project?

This is the group taking pictures of CIA agents and showing it to terorrists.

Posted by: TendStl at September 08, 2009 08:06 PM (PQHdY)

38 Yeah, Barry? This whole 'urgency' thing is kinda
wearing off. Actually, it wore off a two months ago.

So, how about you go back to scoring some coke and getting blown by your limo driver?

Mkay, thanks!

Posted by: runninrebel at September 08, 2009 08:07 PM (i3PJU)

39 You're getting it, like it or not.

Waterloo shmaterloo.

http://tinyurl.com/pcckdh

Posted by: Barack Bonaparte at September 08, 2009 08:07 PM (OuFCz)

40 Let's get it on!  Do it Barry, do it!

Posted by: CDR M at September 08, 2009 08:09 PM (cvmTR)

41 13 Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth

this is true, however, what Jesus failed to recognize is that it is the meek who are the problem....or something like that.

Posted by: sTevo at September 08, 2009 08:09 PM (eA3tl)

42

23 Make no mistake, we don't have a Congress, we have a Royal Court. They don't care about reelection so much any longer.

Agree with the Royal Court part.  Disagree about the reelection part: the perks of Congressional seniority and the thrill of power are too precious to them.

Only the civic-minded are able to turn their backs on perpetual membership in Congress.  Ironically, those are the people who have the civic-mindedness to clean out the stables but who could only do so if they stuck around to gain seniority - or if the parasites with seniority were diselected.

Posted by: stuiec at September 08, 2009 08:10 PM (7AOgy)

43 People,
Don't discount this!  These fools think they MUST get this done before the march on DC on the 12th! Keep hitting up your congressmen!  If they think they can do this, they must think they have some GOP squishes jumping on, or they wouldn't risk the backlash at the 12th!  It ain't over till the botoxed stretched hide cries!

Posted by: Notsomebodyelse at September 08, 2009 08:11 PM (XUeYy)

44 If you like your doctor, you can go f*** yourself. And maybe we will kill grandma just for fun.

Posted by: Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al at September 08, 2009 08:12 PM (5I0Yr)

45 #42Disagree about the reelection part: the perks of Congressional seniority and the thrill of power are too precious to them.


Please, please I hope you are right. If they fear truly for their seats, that may be the only thing to blunt their purpose.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 08, 2009 08:12 PM (AZGON)

46 "...that the electorate will forget..."

I say emphatically, no they won't. This is different. This is BIG different. In my lifetime, I have never seen the anger and unrest with Main Street America. This isn't something that will blow over once passed. I would bet huge sums of money on it.

The Dems pass this shit at their own political peril.

Posted by: Twinks at September 08, 2009 08:13 PM (wjosM)

47

 

There is something wrong when these dipshits are not worried about the upcoming election in 2010..

 

They're not worried, do the math.

Acorn+Census+Amnesty+Card check = Permanent Democrat Majority.

The endgame.

At this point ,they're just jeering at us and flipping us the bird.

Kratos, get in here and wrap this up.

Posted by: Blazer at September 08, 2009 08:14 PM (bAc7l)

48 Obama has a rather bad record of stomping his feet about something and acting like he's laying down the law and then backing off and getting embarrassed or getting embarrassed and backing off. This is more of the same and the public caught on to it a while ago.

OT, did anyone read Taranto's mocking of Michelle Malkin in today's Best of the Web? I imagine it upset some people who read it but Malkin has gotten just a little... not strident, but really really forceful about everything under the sun Obama has done. Overzealous, a tad. Taranto's right in saying that some people on the Right have embarrassed themselves over this school speech thing.

Posted by: chaos at September 08, 2009 08:14 PM (mFUln)

49 Please do pass this with all urgency! I want to go to Washington.

Posted by: ambitious City Councilor (R) at September 08, 2009 08:16 PM (4Kl5M)

50 Time for debate is over?


http://tinyurl.com/mt6qg4



Posted by: African National at September 08, 2009 08:17 PM (OuFCz)

51

 

Is what Oreilly is talking about what Beck was talking about people going to jail? The John Adams Project?

This is the group taking pictures of CIA agents and showing it to terorrists.

 

Just saw that. Despicable.

What's the over/under on someone in Holder's DOJ being linked to that group?

Posted by: Blazer at September 08, 2009 08:18 PM (bAc7l)

52

Both leaders told the president that despite the difficult rough and tumble of the legislative process in the last few weeks, they are optimistic...

There has been no legislative process in the last few weeks, they've been in recess. Both leaders are drooling retards.

This is just last minute blustering.

I smell fear.

 

Posted by: ErikW at September 08, 2009 08:18 PM (hKtiw)

53

You would think that this would seal their demise, but they gamble, possibly correctly, that to do this now, against the possibility (real) that the electorate will forget or that other events can be made into a distraction for furture elections.

It could work. And depending on the size of the payoff to the Dem special interests may work. What is the rational response?

I'm of the mindset that requires constant vigilance on all topics that pertain to anything Obammy touches.

The national response in my opinion is that this administration has spent all capitol,trust and direction on an ill conceived trip.(I'm think of Gilligan's Island on this thought.) Stimulus is shown to be dead on arrival,cap n trade is a total looser,minimum wage increase hits the kiddies hard,and now the fall out over Health-care-whatever is another loser waiting to happen.People see this crap and recognize the smell.Peep's know what's up,even if it's slow to show.

Posted by: rblancard at September 08, 2009 08:20 PM (XrOOx)

54 Dontcha think Obama's putsch of the healthcare industry would be better delivered in a beer hall?

Posted by: Tantor at September 08, 2009 08:21 PM (Ek/Oc)

55

 

 

Only if they served liquor.

Posted by: rblancard at September 08, 2009 08:22 PM (XrOOx)

56

 

Taranto's right in saying that some people on the Right have embarrassed themselves over this school speech thing.

 

No it isn't, it was justified. He had to revise the speech and back-off on sending out the accompanying study materials. What you saw today wasn't the first draft. Obama was forced into going vanilla with that speech and rightfully so.

Posted by: Blazer at September 08, 2009 08:23 PM (bAc7l)

57 #47  Kratos, get in here and wrap this up.

Sure.  It's been too damn long.

In the end, there will be only chaos!

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 08, 2009 08:23 PM (otlXg)

58 Barry Ogabe put the "B" and the "O" in BOHICA!

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2009 08:26 PM (D2il9)

59 54 Dontcha think Obama's putsch of the healthcare industry would be better delivered in a beer hall?

This and the Marc Garlascos thread reminds me of this song.

Hitler Rap

Note - The first comment under that video was definately made by a flaming left-tard.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at September 08, 2009 08:26 PM (otlXg)

60 Wouldn't surprise me a bit if they passed this despite the loud, strong, and angry opposition. The question then becomes: what does America do?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 08, 2009 08:27 PM (PQY7w)

61 Curious,
You're way faster than me, but that's exactly what I'm saying too!  They want to make the protest irrelevant!
Vanessa,
Very well said!  What the hell are they up to that they don't worry about reelection?
Twinks,
You're absolutely right, but they don't seem to see a peril, why is that? Do they hope by completely blowing off the will of the people some moron(not in the good sense) will shoot somebody and let them reestablish the high ground by disarming the populace? Or would someone on the phantom commie side do the deed?  I don't want to sound like a conspiracy nut, because I'm not, but it take acts and actions to reconstruct nations.  Someone wants this.

Posted by: Notsomebodyelse at September 08, 2009 08:28 PM (XUeYy)

62

No it isn't, it was justified. He had to revise the speech and back-off on sending out the accompanying study materials. What you saw today wasn't the first draft. Obama was forced into going vanilla with that speech and rightfully so.

Bingo. The content of the speech was unknown but the PDFs of the suggested student's worksheets were damning.

Taranto is wrong on this one.

Posted by: ErikW at September 08, 2009 08:30 PM (hKtiw)

63 Go ahead, Democrats... Pass Healthcare Nationalization. Now I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, How many votes will I have left come Election Day 2010 if we do this?

I've been wondering that myself. But you know, in all the excitement, I lost count.

So you gotta ask yourselves: are you feeling lucky today?

Well, are you, PUNKS?

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 08, 2009 08:41 PM (A7Dvl)

64 I can see Pelosi and Reid making the argument to the Blue Dogs:

"You guys can see that 2010 is not going to be good for you guys. You can either vote for Health Care and money pouring in to your coffers for your re-election bid, or go it alone. As it is now, you guys are going down anyway."


Sad thing is, they are probably right. The Blue Dogs are done no matter how they vote.

Posted by: TendStl at September 08, 2009 08:44 PM (i9+lq)

65 Bingo. The content of the speech was unknown but the PDFs of the suggested student's worksheets were damning.

It was never about the speech - it was about the 1st lesson plan put through .gov channels to the nations teachers - what can you do for Obama... teach the children what they can do for Obama, planting little seeds in teachers minds

This is the third time numb-nuts has done this.

First time was with the baseless DHS terror alert memo disemminated to thenations law enforcement officers suggesting that the 'right-wing' will be the source of the next terror attack, a seed was planted.

Second time was the NEA group hug suggesting that starving artists might get a sweet grant if the go out 'on their own' and generate some propaganda for the one.


How many of these limited (or .gov only) distro memos as the administration put out?




Posted by: Druid at September 08, 2009 08:45 PM (Gct7d)

66 They could at least spring for dinner and a movie first.

This is a Hail Mary, for sure.

Posted by: eman at September 08, 2009 08:45 PM (v7+Ho)

67

Unfortunately the current situation reminds me of 1993, when the entire state of NJ rose up, revolted and threw the governor (Jim Florio) and his Dems out. (they did, you can look it up) On the platform:  reversing tax hikes, passing Initiative and Referendum and even repealing an "Assault Weapons" ban. A very wide spread coalition worked against him and the democrats. It was effective.

Except for a small problem. 16 years later none of this has been accomplished. An unimpeachable majority was voted in 1993 in NJ, yet nothing was done. Not one of the promises were met.

Therefore, at least in NJ, every time someone goes to the ballot box they become ever more certain that regardless of how they vote, their vote is ultimatly meaningless since even if you win -- you lose. They truly are all the same.

It is not enough to be against. We have to be *for* something. and then we have to see it through. Was the failure in NJ (for it can be construed no other way) a result of failed politicians working in a corrupt system (yes) or does it more likely represent the failure of the people to remain involved after casting their ballot? I think the latter is more likely true and shows the real hard task ahead.

// This post interrupted by bedtime story, will return later //

 

 

 

Posted by: Thanatos at September 08, 2009 08:47 PM (+cG6R)

68 Let's face it. It's undeniable. There's nothing left to debate anymore...

Obama is an abject idiot.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 08, 2009 08:48 PM (A7Dvl)

69 They are stealth fighters.  They send out all this stuff to distract but, in the meantime, they are sealing the deal.  They want people to give up, cancel their plans to go to DC and just cower under their bed.

Posted by: curious at September 08, 2009 08:55 PM (p302b)

70 Wow, Thomas Sowell has a great column that points out Obama was trying to shove this crap sandwhich down our throats this August, and it doesn't take effect until 2013--I didn't know this did you?  Really nothing this guy does should surprise me, but yet I still am surprised.  (Especially since in his speech at the AFL CIO picnic on Labor Day, he said that if this bill isn't passed, more people are going to die next year because they don't have axcess to health care.  Here's the link to the article:  http://tinyurl.com/ndxje2

Posted by: John Donne at September 08, 2009 09:01 PM (D2il9)

71 curious at September 08, 2009 08:55 PM (p302b),
I agree, that's exactly what they are trying to doThe 9/12 march will be much less effective in their minds if they can  pass this thing first!  They really don't care who is against them, they trust that they can spin it hard enough to make irrelevant. We need to take this seriously!

Posted by: Notsomebodyelse at September 08, 2009 09:02 PM (XUeYy)

72 Oops, too much bold faced sockpuppet!  Does typing in "Black Face" make me racist?

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2009 09:02 PM (D2il9)

73 Oh, we are all bold faced now!

Posted by: runningrn at September 08, 2009 09:02 PM (D2il9)

74

I think it was CoolCzech that bolded us  ....

Posted by: Thanatos at September 08, 2009 09:05 PM (+cG6R)

75 chaos: "Overzealous, a tad. Taranto's right in saying that some people on the Right have embarrassed themselves over this school speech thing."

And Taranto would be wrong. Obama assuredly changed his speech from the blowback of being caught initiating a circumvention of family perspective via academic proxies. He knows how to work education. He knows how to radicalize. He knows how to massage a message His captive audience with mushy minds are exactly what he wants to begin indoctrination.

Team Obama changed the underlying lesson plan which was the real camel's nose. Obama is the snuggly, stuffed chameleon with a Marxist hand stuffed inside. Obama knows he can count on academic sycophants and fellow travelers to submit to Obama to great degree - to publicly, in front of insecure children, cheerlead and lend authority to a yet bigger authority in Obama. It's the adult population's behavioral response to Obama that will stick with impressionable minds, not that Obama said, "Stay in school and eat your vegetables and you will prosper."

Effective brainwashing is that which is almost undetectable. That is what Obama does though subtle isn't his only style. He can get "in your face," but had he done so with people's kids, he'd have armies storming the gates. As it stands, Obama only invited some harsh words because his method was less confrontational. He was oughted and Malkin was and is right. Taranto is being foolish.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 08, 2009 09:09 PM (JamGx)

76 runningrn,
I think that's all part of the plan!

Make the idiots believe that you're going to solve all the worlds' problems NOW!

Then make your bills show that nothing will change in the next four years, so the thinking people will say," We still have time to think about this, and change our minds. If we really don't like this, we can vote others in that will vote this out."

After you get all your plans voted through, claim a mandate by the people and accelerate the start dates.  Once these things are in operation, it's damn hard to stop them.

Posted by: Notsomebodyelse at September 08, 2009 09:10 PM (XUeYy)

77

This is just last minute blustering.

I smell fear.


That is just us.

Posted by: The aged at September 08, 2009 09:15 PM (yP5sH)

78 66 They could at least spring for dinner and a movie first.

This is a Hail Mary, for sure.

Posted by: eman at September 08, 2009 08:45 PM (v7+Ho)

This reminds me of Arabic military strategy.  Most of the strongmen running the Middle East are tinpot tyrants and know only one bit of military strategy: When you are weak, scream and shout.  When you are strong, keep silent.

Of course, the strategy is to make the enemy think that you are weak when strong, but when everybody knows the strategy, it's sort of a kabuki dance.

They don't have the votes.  They are going all in, before the flop, with a pair of twos.  This is supposed to dispirit us and put fear into the Dem caucus.  They want to intimidate wavering Dems into getting in on the train.  They hope that the speech will be the fig leaf they can use to justify the Dems biting the bullet on this one.

If they were in control, they wouldn't need to tell us that they're in control.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 08, 2009 09:20 PM (ItSLQ)

79 @75: "He was oughted?" WTH? Outed. I don't even know what that means.

Sorry. Due to bad economy, I had to fire several layers of editors.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 08, 2009 09:20 PM (JamGx)

80 Is there any point in going after my congressman Jim Moron? He makes Pelosi look sane.

Posted by: Dagny at September 08, 2009 09:22 PM (D+9yf)

81 Come on Barry!  No Balls!  Use the nuclear option!  Do it!  Do it!

Posted by: GarandFan at September 08, 2009 09:28 PM (ZQBnQ)

82 @7
No, it's no more devalued dollars for Congresscritters' campaigns.

Even the slope-headed mouthbreathers in Congress sense that things are different this time.  You can see it in their eyes when they are confronted at townhall meetings.  They go through the 5 stages of grief right in front of your eyes.  1) Denial-I am certain that everyone wants universal government-run health care.  2) Anger.  I grow fatigued with this noisome peasant.  Take it away-it vexes us!  3) Bargaining and naked fear as they realize that most of their constituents aren't buying it.  (How can I get out of this with some dignity, and more importantly, my seat?)  They know that $ aren't going to save them.  4) Depression -why didn't Obama crush them when he had the chance?  5) Acceptance.  It wasn't meant to be, and I sure as hell don't have anything useful to sell in the real world, so I had better give the troglodytes what they want.  Just my impressions.

Posted by: pep at September 08, 2009 09:30 PM (DZyVK)

83 Somehow I get the feeling the speech was neither heard nor read and the lesson plans not read either before or after the changes by you guys. I'm sorry, but both were some of the lamest public-education drivel I've ever seen. I don't know how old most of you are but I'm not that far out of high school and if I was still back there, the way I was then, I would have rolled my eyes and ignored this crap because of how lame it was. If I was in elementary school or middle school/junior high or whatever they call it in your area I would have either not cared entirely or forgotten about it quick. And the same would go for the bulk of my classmates.

The president of the United States being persuasive in a videotaped speech to public school children is the most hilarious idea I've heard in a while. Another completely lame Obama public relations ploy. Really guys chill out just a little bit. Secret PDFs whose sinister contents are hinted at just don't do it for me. If the lesson plans were really so nasty and had to be changed before they were released (they were changed once after being released) because of that, then someone must know the content who is willing to divulge it. Whoever said that they had heard something about pre-release changes, why don't you go to your source and ask for the goods and not just the packaging. It's not like we're talking about the codes to the nuclear football here, I find it unbelievable that someone in a position to know that information who is willing to spread rumors about it is unwilling to divulge.

Posted by: chaos at September 08, 2009 09:44 PM (mFUln)

84

Of course he won't give a deadline.

If he gave a deadline date, it would convince his political opposition they could beat him by stalling and redouble their efforts to hold out at least that long.

Hmmm.....

Wait a minute...

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My 12-year-old son saw the speech in school today.

His reaction? "boring."

I don't think the Annointed One quite got what he wanted with this.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 08, 2009 09:47 PM (EW49d)

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Sure, different age groups will respond in different ways, but it was more than just a PR act though it was surely that, too. I tend to think this lesson plan/speech was the first salvo from Team Obama to leave fingerprints on education just like the leaked NEA request for propaganda revealed Team Obama's first attempt to hijack government subsidized art to pitch his agenda.

Don't be naive. Everything, every. thing., is measured. Obama may not successfully predict outcomes, and that would be impossible to do, but schemes and substructure buttress all Team Obama does. You have to ask yourself incessantly, "What is is agenda?" and "How does he plan to get there?" Clumsy does not enter the calculus because that's an after-the-fact assessment. The question is whether the calculus is being made. It is. We are now developing the proofs.

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My daughter said she and some were laughing cause of random stuff in speech.

She said afterward they had to get in circle and went over why stay in school and don't drop out. Then the teacher just had them go back to drawing their social studies maps. She is middle school age.

I asked her if she had to write anything and she said no.

Yes I do care about what she is learning and everyday we talk about what she is doing in class etc.

So all of us who wanted to know what obama was going to say were correct to pay attention.

They cannot have it both ways- they say get involved and have a say in your kids education then they say you are being silly-ignorant (as editorial in my home town newpaper said) when you call them out on something that is inapprotriate.

Also very inappropriate of them to bypass the superintendants of schools and the elected school boards- so shame on them. What were they hiding to begin with?

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He was smug and his call for a health care discussion was nothing short of a taunt. Clearly a ploy to steer the debate to a topic he wanted to push.

What happened? He didn't like getting his ass handed to him during the discussions? Now we don't get to discuss no more - and Congress is just gonna shove any old bill it can down our throats?

We discussed. Zero and the Dems got crushed - and now our voices don't mean s#!t anyways. Why did we discuss anything?

This man is a joke. He needs to be removed immediately.

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Only if he does it before Oct 15th, which is the deadline to ram it though with re-consolidation.

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I can hear Pelosi and Reid now.  "Yes, this means some of you won't be re-elected.  It's your duty to fall on your swords for the President."

That'll work.  They are all profiles in courage there.

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Do that 1000 times and you'll understand.

Of course it was measured. It was measured wrong. Because these people are geeks. Come on.

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