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| Information on Truthers Zinn, Lerner, and Jones Comes from "Hate Sites"?It's not exactly fair to set this up this way, as CJ's post came before mine. Still. Let's talk about getting information on Truthers from "hate sites." Charles Johnson, Sept. 4, 2009:Theres no need to lie about my position, Ace. I am not supporting or defending Van Jones, and Ive made that extremely clear. Im defending the apparently out-of-fashion concept that accusations like this should be based on credible sources, and not Truther sites and hate sites.So, is the information about Michael Lerner, pressed into service as an alibi witness for Van Jones, coming from a "hate site"? Lerner Dives Off Deep End Thu, Feb 8, 2007 at 3:55:40 pm PST Theres considerable debate over whether loony left anti-Israel Tikkun leader Michael Lerner can legitimately be termed a rabbi. But Im going to give him the benefit of the doubt and call him Rabbi. Rabbi Truther.Which Truther site or "hate site" did that come from? Which "hate site" referred to alibi witness Michael Lerner as a "Rabbi Truther"? Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs, February 8, 2007. AHFF Geoff wrote me to say "Stop focusing on Johnson and focus on Jones." But I am. This meme, if allowed to take root, will save Jones. The media of course wishes to spare Jones. They're not interested in covering the story. If they do cover the story, they will report the claimed "context" that "others say they were lied to by 911Truth.org, so there is some evidence that Jones is being honest when he says he didn't know what the petition said." I understand why the in-the-tank media wants to push this claim. I do not understand why Charles Johnson would want to push it, given his visceral hatred of such conspiracy nuts, and especially given that it relies upon the testimony of three Truthers, and he is the author of what I shall begin calling the Charles Johnson Axiom: Truthers lie. Few, I'm sure, have missed the irony here, but among them seems to be Charles Johnson himself, so I'll explain why I keep quoting that: He is using the Charles Johnson Axiom "Truthers lie" to establish the veracity of Van Jones, who is himself, in fact, a Truther. And quoting, as credible, two other Truthers, Zinn and Lerner, in support of Truther Jones' claim. How that logic works I don't quite get but there you go. Perhaps the Charles Johnson Axiom needs to be modified: Truthers lie, but sometimes Truthers tell the truth, and only Charles Johnson is capable of telling you which is which.A 9/11 Conspiracy? I Would Not Be Surprised, Says Tikkun Editor. Rabbi Michael Lerner, the longtime activist and editor of Tikkun magazine, has published an essay saying he is open to the possibility that the American government may have been behind the September 11 terrorist attacks. I would not be surprised to learn that some branch of our government conspired either actively to promote or passively to allow the attack on 9/11, Lerner wrote in an essay published in the new book, 9/11 and American Empire: Christians, Jews, and Muslims Speak Out. Lerner added that he would also not be surprised if it turned out that the attacks were not the result of a government conspiracy. I am agnostic on the question of what happened on 9/11, he wrote in his essay for the book, which includes articles by other contributors arguing that a government conspiracy was behind the September 11 attacks. As other authors in this collection have shown, there are huge holes in the official story and contradictions that suggest that we do not know the whole story. This isn't personal. CJ has never done anything wrong by me. But he himself makes a very big issue of intellectual honesty and integrity and scientific type thinking. Well, CJ, you're not the only one. Sometimes I get the feeling you think you are, but you're not. And I consider it my duty to rubbish this thoroughly faith-based defense, a silly conspiracy theory of Truthers deceived into supporting Trutherism, a goofy evidence-free theory sustained entirely by magical thinking and illogic. 'Zactly: phoenixgirl writes: this is getting painful. ace, he doesn't want to see that beck and malkin are right in the expose of jones. he hates them both.Right. Well, let me caution Charles Johnson about something, since he is clearly on such a jihad against what he perceives as religious-based or religion-influenced thinking. As my friend once observed: You can have a religion that doesn't have a God. You cannot, however, construct a religion that doesn't include a Devil. Think about it, CJ. Who's faith-based here? Who's letting a bit of cultism infect their logic? It ain't me. Just because His Satanic Majesty Glenn Beck says it, and it's echoed by his demoniacal consort Michelle Malkin, doesn't mean it's untrue. The Prince of Lies mixes truth with lies, remember, so his lies gain credibility. More: After writing a post claiming that he can't find any evidence linking Jones to Trutherism, and furthermore repeating the lie, from Truthers (Truthers lie, remember) that Zinn and Lehrer were "lied to" about the petition's contents, and the "conspiratorial ravings" added later -- apparently LGF has great functionality, but CJ can't search his own archives -- CJ comments: I'm getting the feeling Ace of Spades really wants me to link to him, since he's continuing the attacks today. He'll be waiting a long time.As I said, his Dan Rather moment. The proof is piling up against his daffy claims, but he'll just ignore these "partisan internet bloggers" so maligning him. And he'll keep that evidence from his audience by refusing to acknowledge it. After all, he's a Hard News Man. He knows better than these partisan political bloggers. He especially knows which information to reveal, and which to suppress, in order to protect his audience from drawing faulty conclusions. They, after all, require his judgment and expertise to guide them. They need him hiding stuff from them. He's The Decider, you know. How on earth CJ can continue insisting that Truthers Zinn and Lehrer are solid witnesses for the defense, especially given the Charles Johnson Axiom "Truthers Lie," is beyond me. Incidentally, I don't need your link, CJ. The cat's out of the bag and your readers are checking me out on their own to get the side of the story that you won't reveal. You're not the MSM yet, buddy. Embargoing is not at all effective for you. Even Irish Rose is coming by to see what "slanders" I'm writing. Incidentally... Why is it Charles Johnson deems the posting of evidence against his claims "attacks"? Why does his sycophant Irish Rose deem the same to be "slanders"? What the hell, man? More magical thinking. Comments1
No college football thread? It's a beautiful day!
Posted by: Jack Bauer's Dad at September 05, 2009 12:37 PM (DVl4L) Posted by: Chucky J at September 05, 2009 12:37 PM (BocoR) 3
this is getting painful. ace, he doesn't want to see that beck and malkin are right in the expose of jones. he hates them both. there are none so blind as he who runs 1.o
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2009 12:39 PM (ucxC/) 4
Ace I am banning you from the interwebs, do not post anymore!
Posted by: Supra Bicycle Rider! at September 05, 2009 12:39 PM (BocoR) 5
This may not be personal for you Ace, but I get the feeling everything is personal for CJ. Just read his comments.
Posted by: Sam at September 05, 2009 12:41 PM (+F4sF) 6
No, they're not really Truthers; they didn't mean to sign a petition flatly stating that Bush was behind 9/11. They're just asking questions. Demanding further enquiry. Questioning the government narrative. But Truthers? Heavens no. They even said so. Am I doing it right? Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 05, 2009 12:42 PM (plsiE) 7
Which "hate site" referred to alibi witness Michael Lerner as a "Rabbi Truther"?
Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs, February 8, 2007.
ace from the top rope with a folding chair! Posted by: Jones at September 05, 2009 12:49 PM (KOkrW) 8
Charles Sat, Sep 5, 2009 9:44:46am
I'm getting the feeling Ace of Spades really wants me to link to him, since he's continuing the attacks today. He'll be waiting a long time. How narcissistic. He thinks ace wants a link from him. Posted by: Last Minute Moron at September 05, 2009 12:52 PM (a4o2p) 9
That razor blade sized fence must get painful after a while. I wouldn't want to sit on it.
Posted by: Rawmuse at September 05, 2009 12:52 PM (Jy8/p) Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at September 05, 2009 12:52 PM (4uRra) 11
Is this about defending Van Jones, or avoiding an embarrassment for Obama? I don't read LGF, I'm just throwing it out to the people who do. I've talked to people for a year and a half now who would go through absolutely any mental gymnastics to avoid having a critical thought regarding Obama.
Posted by: Methos at September 05, 2009 12:53 PM (q6RmE) 12
Charles Johnson spends his evenings sucking the salt from Dan Rather's balls. Why anyone is still quoting this fraud is completely beyond me. If Charles Johnson would simply agree to go fuck himself in the ear with an icepick, the world would be a much better place. Posted by: Sam Adams at September 05, 2009 12:54 PM (Wh7pc) Posted by: CJ's Bicycle at September 05, 2009 12:54 PM (AKepb) 14
Who'd have ever thought that Charles Johnson would end up fizzling out as the result of faith in the veracity of Truthers?
Pretty much closes the circle. Posted by: Herndon at September 05, 2009 12:56 PM (2g6qH) 15
Charles Johnson is a wanna-be intellectual without the intellect to go along with it.
Do I agree with him about religion being false and the scientific method being superior? Yep. I'm what can be called a pearlist: Physical Evidence And Reasoned Logic ... using the physical evidence of Van Jones' signature on that document, the further evidence that he's supported virtually every other whacky left wing cause known to man (including this one), and applying some reasoned logic, I'd say Charles Johnson's standard to take Van Jones at his word should be a lot higher than the say-so of a group of people Charles Johnson calls liars. But... Johnson is an asshat. He's not intellectually honest. Nor even bright. I know a goodly percentage of Republican voters disagree with me on religion and creationism, but I have the ability to separate different issues in my mind and even personalities I may not always like, looking at the facts involved to determine the likely truth. Charles Johnson, not so much. Posted by: Christoph at September 05, 2009 12:57 PM (uYL8F) 16
How much attention does a guy deserve for doing ONE thing? The ONLY noteworthy contribution from CJ - EVAH - was his animated -.gif Word-generated superimposition of the bogus Rather memo. That was five years ago, for those who can count.
Besides that, he's a narcissistic, metrosexual, bi-curious-cycling megalomanic. If you assholes would be sensible and just STOP reading him (and Sully, and Frum, and Parker, and Klein, and VF, etc.) and giving him continued publicity, eventually his little cult following would die out because they cannot reproduce. But - NOOOOOOOOOOOO, you just can't ignore the little weasel or any of the others. You CANNOT let their nonsense rot in the fetid swamp where 'tis born. Through some depraved compulsion you MUST reply, feeding the putrid scum with the oxygen and sunlight it cannot supply itself. The problem isn't CJ or his dwindling following. The problem is people like you who won't let the rest of us forget the jerk. Posted by: Adjoran at September 05, 2009 12:57 PM (VfmLu) 17
Sadly, if you disagree with The Boss it is almost always personal...and then I have to go in and clean up the mess.
Stinky. Posted by: Stinky Beumont at September 05, 2009 12:59 PM (xb32F) 18
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Is this about defending Van Jones, or avoiding an embarrassment for
Obama?
Posted by: Methos at September 05, 2009 12:53 PM (q6RmE) That sounds about right. CJ has spent many years using Guilt-By-Association as a tool to attack people. Now he doesn't want to carry the logic through and attack Obama. So this is the best defense he can mount, how sad. Posted by: Last Minute Moron at September 05, 2009 12:59 PM (a4o2p) 19
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Charles called Ace a "liar." He didn't say Ace was wrong or mistaken.
To me, that's personal. Agreed, this is becoming personal whether it started that way or not. Posted by: AD at September 05, 2009 01:00 PM (yo14T) 20
>I've talked to people for a year and a half now who would go through absolutely any mental gymnastics to avoid having a critical thought regarding Obama. Then you know my brother and sister-in-law. Posted by: Jones at September 05, 2009 01:00 PM (KOkrW) 21
ACE;
CJ IS A ASSHOLE WHO SOLD OUT BECAUSE HE NEED$$$ TO JUMP START HIS MUSIC INCOME. SO HE IS ATTACKING EVERYONE HE CAN ON THE RIGHT TO GET SOME STREET CRED IN THE MUSIC BIZ. CJ IS A USELESS MORON. AND LGF SUX. Posted by: reliapundit at September 05, 2009 01:01 PM (NY6+Q) 22
@16 Don't hold anything back now, tell us exactly how you feel. CJ is the equivalent of poking a dead carcass with a stick: you never know what might come crawling out of it. Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 05, 2009 01:02 PM (ZGhSv) 23
I've talked to people for a year and a half now who would go through absolutely any mental gymnastics to avoid having a critical thought regarding Obama. You just have no appreciation for my non-partisan-ness. Posted by: Dum Dum Duh Dum Dum at September 05, 2009 01:04 PM (im2A1) 24
Charles, If you ban well over a thousand posters, many of which are long-time participants on your site as well as many others, mostly for simply disagreeing with you on a certain issue or, even more egregiously, disagreeing with one of your weird fawning tapeworms, then prepare to be kicked right in the nutsack. Posted by: TexasJew at September 05, 2009 01:07 PM (aUsM0) 25
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Posted by: UncleFacts mobile meteor summoner at September 05, 2009 01:07 PM (2QPAl) 26
#16 nails it. Giving this dipshit attention is like sending people to Democratic Underground for well-reasoned political commentary. Yes, the monkey flings a lot of shit in his cage. No, the poo-flinging hasn't grown more interesting over time. Charles Johnson is Dan Rather.
Posted by: Sam Adams at September 05, 2009 01:09 PM (Wh7pc) 27
Questions are not allowed at LGF, unless they further CJ's agenda. I'm getting reeeeeally tired of the mockery he spews to anyone not in lockstep with his progressive ideology. He mocks parents for being suspect of Obama's upcoming speech to elementary kids - would he mock parents if a creationist politician wanted to speak to kids and encourage them to learn? No, he'd be assuming the worst that this politician wanted to indoctrinate the kids with creationism. It's ok to be paranoid about creationists and anti-AGW people - they are evil morons out to destroy us.
Posted by: usagranny at September 05, 2009 01:09 PM (a6nXk) 28
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T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII Editor at Large, the National Topsider Another Labor Day weekend wafts into Montauk, borne as always upon a chill wind of melancholy; a breeze that ushers in blithe spirits for the coming gay lawn soirees, the final chukkers of the summer polo leagues, the annual Montauk-to-Newport gin barrel regatta. But the selfsame mistral likewise presages season's end, and the maids' ritual packing away of the pastels and seersuckers for the annual migration to the dismally gauche winter quarters of Florida...... http://tinyurl.com/kp6xrp Posted by: Tami at September 05, 2009 01:09 PM (VuLos) Posted by: CJ's Bicycle at September 05, 2009 01:11 PM (AKepb) 30
What; another thread bashing CJ?
Posted by: Vic at September 05, 2009 01:11 PM (CDUiN) 31
AHFF Geoff wrote me to say "Stop focusing on Johnson and focus on Jones."
Just do what you do. Slice like a fucking hammer. Awesome post, btw. Posted by: Amused Observer at September 05, 2009 01:12 PM (EbqoB) 32
Man, I'm getting old.
I remember back when a "giant sucking sound" referred to NAFTA and the sound jobs going to Mexico made and not Charles Johnson. - Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 05, 2009 01:14 PM (ruzrP) 33
30 Vic
No, it's another thread discussing Ace's replies to LGF's attacks on him. The cool thing is that if someone agreed with Charles, Ace wouldn't belittle or even ban the person for posting. Well, then again, he might belittle the person if he or she talked in circles instead of giving good reasons. Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at September 05, 2009 01:14 PM (4uRra) 34
This atheist is pretty much convinced that Chucky has gone off the deep end.
Now that the 9-11 scare has worn off, he wants to go back to being a lib'tard. That's all. Just another Obamabot ... one that used to call himself a conservative/libertarian. Just ignore his crap, he's completely irrelevant now. Oh, about the "gotta have Satan" thing ... nope. Buddhism and Taoism do just fine without a Satan. Don't project your religion on others that do not share it, please, and I will return the favor by not being a secularist fanatic and trying to force atheism on you. Posted by: Kristopher at September 05, 2009 01:15 PM (Jjzb5) 35
The problem isn't CJ or his dwindling following. The problem is people like you who won't let the rest of us forget the jerk.
Posted by: Adjoran at September 05, 2009 12:57 PM (VfmLu) Giving this dipshit attention is like sending people to Democratic Underground for well-reasoned political commentary. Posted by: Sam Adams at September 05, 2009 01:09 PM (Wh7pc) Yes, Ace and the Morons are the problem, not Charles Johnson! Charles Johnson must NEVER be mentioned. Evr! On second thought, I think I'll just ingnore you two clowns. Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 05, 2009 01:17 PM (H7Rlw) 36
I agree that CJ's reaction is very similar to that of a person whose faith is challenged and who doesn't possess the information or cognitive skills to defend it. But his reaction is only an extreme version of what you can see on the dessicated Right - the NRO crowd are more genteel about it, but they don't know how to fight for what they believe in either, because the foundations of their belief have been eaten away over the years. All that's left now is convulsive clutching at a few threadbare maxims - the current one is "giving the benefit of the doubt". Jones and Lerner signed a Truther petition? Obama is planning a schooltime indoctrination session? Oh, it's too much trouble to get upset over, and besides, that would mean having to ARGUE. With reasons and stuff. Much easier to "give them the benefit of the doubt", even when the "doubt" only crops up as a convenient excuse to do nothing.
Posted by: Dr Mabuse at September 05, 2009 01:18 PM (AVYqB) 37
It looks like CJ hasn't been wearing his cycling helmet again. Posted by: bc3 at September 05, 2009 01:19 PM (jqZr+) 38
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i was just saying the story is that obama appointed and retains jones. attacking the horseshit meme that 9/11 truthers who signed the politically motivated (may 2004, designed to sink bush of course, jeanneane garfolo of course signed) 9/11 truther petition were somehow duped and not truthers is RIDICULOUS and needs to be crushed. The SF truther rally where Van jones spoke in 9/11/02 is proof enough for me - but noone is even discussing that FACT as evidence, strangely enough. i wasnt up on the fact that CJ is leading this charge of "jones didnt know he was a truther when he signed the truther petition" theme so in retrospect i think the takedown was appropriate. either way, i think its time to lay out the case for "Appointment and Continued Retention of Van Jones Proves Obama is Himself a Radical" i know some of you reject beck and his bullshit, and i agree with some parts of your antibeck stuff, but you have to admit beck has brought many of these facts out. 1. Valerie jarrett tape at nutroots conf - watching him for a long time, he's exactly what we wanted in the White House, etc. Smoking gun video evidence. 2. thebigmoney article - morons, that article is the Pelican Brief to the Obama administration. allah did excellent work on the find, but you gotta put those quotes out there man. The "switchboard" stuff? Incredible. The planned use of Van Jones to both mold and sell the new Obama economy? That's the heart of the matter. This is Obama's guy, and this article you found (btw the lefty who wrote it hasnt tweeted on van jones so far recently amazingly enough) is the smoking gun written evidence my man. the lefty douche writing it doesnt realize how much he is screwing obama by writing this stuff. read. it. 3. Van Jones Trutherism was obvious - not hard to show. Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at September 05, 2009 01:20 PM (5r0Tz) 39
It's getting hard to keep my good nom de blog these days. First, Obama ruined my first name Barry, now this Van Jones guy ruins my surname. Til this blows over, I shall post as "Cool Money Grip". Posted by: Jones soon to be Cool Money Grip at September 05, 2009 01:21 PM (KOkrW) 40
Watch the phony Obamatarians and Obamacons sink deeper into their crap piles of Illogic and rationalizing for their insane Obama vote last year. Hari-kari is be the only honorable way out. Posted by: TexasJew at September 05, 2009 01:22 PM (aUsM0) 41
I'm still waiting for CJ to apologize to Zombie for attacking him/her and for allowing LGF commenters to do so, too.
Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at September 05, 2009 01:23 PM (uHvsp) 42
Simple question, is Van Jones a fringe extremist, or are his positions part of the progressive mainstream.
Neither answer is comfortable for the left. If VJ is a fringe extremist, they have to defend Obama for hiring him. If he's part of the mainstream, it means progressivism is far more radical than they have been willing to admit. It's the kind of problem you like the other side to have. Posted by: V the K at September 05, 2009 01:23 PM (yxBaM) 43
I came here looking for a home after I got disgusted with LGF, a site I regularly visited. Most conservative bloggers will not question CJ, consequently, he can go off on the biggest, most bizarre tangents and feel fully justified. I'm glad Ace is on the case, and indeed, I enjoy AOS more than I ever enjoyed LGF.
Thank you for everything Ace! Posted by: shibumi at September 05, 2009 01:24 PM (OKZrE) Posted by: mrobvious at September 05, 2009 01:24 PM (C3QGp) 45
"The problem isn't CJ or his dwindling following. The problem is people like you who won't let the rest of us forget the jerk." I am the Emperor Worm! I LIVE INSIDE YOUR BRAIN!! Posted by: Mandy Manners at September 05, 2009 01:26 PM (aUsM0) Posted by: Mandy Manners at September 05, 2009 01:27 PM (bAc7l) 47
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F#%k you Ace !! F#%k you, F#%k You, F#%k You !! Posted by: Mandy Manners at September 05, 2009 01:27 PM (bAc7l) Now THAT'S the Many Manners I know. Sock puppet well played good sir! Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 05, 2009 01:29 PM (H7Rlw) 48
Damn, Ace, you've finally made it!! LGF will not link you! In a sense, this is being banned by CJ...a blog-banning, if you will. You rascal you... Posted by: Uncle Jefe at September 05, 2009 01:30 PM (+3fAP) 49
I've made maybe 15 comments in 4 years of being registered at LGF. I posted the link to Chuckles' own story about Lerner, and bam, instant banning. hahahaha....what a sad, sad little creature he is.
Posted by: radar at September 05, 2009 01:32 PM (vIEPT) 50
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Charles dropped Ace from his blogroll months ago because Ace didn't delete disparaging posts about LGF nor ban the posters. Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at September 05, 2009 01:32 PM (4uRra) 51
Charles is pretty stupid. Only an uneducated person would assert that "scientific think'en" was synonymous with being "logical," or using SOUND reasoning. There are different types of ARGUMENTS Charles, you uneducated hack. Perhaps the DUMBEST Charles-ism was his slobbering spin over Obama bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia. He excused it by saying that we (the US) had been metaphorically bowing to Saudis for decades so it didn't matter. What a bad analogy, and what a LEAP in logic. Charles, you sir are a hack. Please go back to plucking your lyre and leave the thinking to those who are equiped with the requisite grey matter. Posted by: mistress overdone at September 05, 2009 01:33 PM (9JW6K) 52
I'm getting the feeling Ace of Spades really wants me to link to him,
since he's continuing the attacks today. He'll be waiting a long time.
Interesting way to link someone without actually putting in a link. Posted by: Deathknyte at September 05, 2009 01:34 PM (ebRk1) 53
was that the reason?
I don't know what the hell he expected me to do. Commenters are always maligning allah here, and I *LIKE* allah, but I don't ban them or anything. On occasion I rebut them, but I'm not banning people for committing a blog-on-blog crime. Posted by: ace at September 05, 2009 01:34 PM (TkYWo) Posted by: Uncle Jefe at September 05, 2009 01:34 PM (+3fAP) 55
Swoosh! Swoosh! Swoosh! Swoosh! That's the sound of Ace delivering a big case of Whoop-Ass to Charles Johnson's naked buttocks exposed for all the world to see and ridicule. Posted by: Fish at September 05, 2009 01:35 PM (FnA4R) 56
What is telling about Charles is his apparent "no enemies to the left" coverage of only "rightwing" kooks. Go look at his "extremism tag. There isn't one post about leftwing extremists, especially those inhabiting the Obama administration. Just plenty of Glenn Beck posts, anti Tea Party, Abortion extremists, oh and Islamic extremists back in 2007. Nope, no leftwing extremists around at all. Even ELF destroying two radio towers in Washington state on Sept 4th is ignored. But that Ace, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin? Extremists for pointing out the obvious; Zinn and Lerner are full of shit and trying to cover their asses, hoping no one will notice that they're lieing thru their teeth.CJ bootlicking followers are just as disgustily blind.
Posted by: SGT Ted at September 05, 2009 01:36 PM (PdOj3) 57
It's Sarah Palin's fault. Somehow. I know it!
Posted by: Chris at September 05, 2009 01:38 PM (8i2h4) 58
53 Ace
54, Uncle Jefe That is the truth as I know it and believe it to be. If I'm mistaken, I ask Charles to let you know, Ace. Several people were banned for posting here after that. I chose to leave LGF, and I posted elsewhere as well as here. Charles blocked my account, declaring that I couldn't be trusted since I chose to associate at such places. Rather ironic, given the present situation, isn't it?. Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at September 05, 2009 01:38 PM (4uRra) 59
This is really silly as the guy in question can only obfuscate and lie to hide the reality.
You don't sign on to such a platform without reading it. And it's obvious you couldn't miss its intent even with a glance. It's inescapable. Why someone like LGF would suggest otherwise is frankly foolish. Rock on Ace. Take your layup. Posted by: Romanesq at September 05, 2009 01:40 PM (xKx5B) Posted by: Dum Dum at September 05, 2009 01:41 PM (i3PJU) 61
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Ace, that might be because you actually allow people to disgree. Novel concept, iddinit? For a guy who claims to hate fascism, Chuckles sure seems to admire and imitate their tactics. Posted by: radar at September 05, 2009 01:41 PM (vIEPT) 62
What; another thread bashing CJ? The media can destroy a politician's career (See WaPo vs. George Allen) or can support someone undeserving by twisting the facts in a different way. The more times somebody yells "hey, they are lying again" the more people notice. Posted by: Mama AJ at September 05, 2009 01:41 PM (X6Zdh) 63
Goddess, what could you expect? Dangerous and evil persons, such as yourself and little old lady, must be dealt with severely, due to your associations. Zombie appears to be on the chopping block next.
Posted by: Who Knows at September 05, 2009 01:43 PM (7FgWm) 64
So, How Does the Van Jones saga end?
1. Obama keeps him. Eventually, the right run out of new revelations. He keeps quiet for a few months, and the left spins the charges of radicalism as "old news" and "right wing attacks." 2. Resigns because "these allegations have become a distraction from the important work of this administration." 3. Obama fires him, throws him under the bus. 4. Starts a bonfire of American flags on the White House lawn and goes out in a "blaze of glory." Accepts tenured professorship at Evergreen State, Harvard, or U-Illinois. Posted by: V the K at September 05, 2009 01:44 PM (yxBaM) 65
I'm still waiting for CJ to apologize to Zombie for attacking him/her and for allowing LGF commenters to do so, too. Don't hold your breath. No matter how overwhelming the evidence or convincing the arguement, CJ does not apologize or otherwise acknowledge being wrong. He tends to double-down instead, even if he beclowns himself in the process. When the Tea Party thing was gaining steam, he portrayed it as more or less being a front for Ron Paulbots, saying that the "main organizer" (as if there is such a thing) was a Paulian. His evidence? One guy in one town who was on TV and introduced as an organizer was associated with Paul. No matter how many people who actually attended tried to convince him otherwise, no matter how many links to sites not associated with Paulians were given, the Tea Party crowd was under the thumb of Ron Paul's minions and by association distasteful. Because CJ said so, and that's that- evidence to the contrary be damned. I don't have a grudge against CJ or LGF- used to be a good site, now it's not. I simply choose not to go there anymore. Not worth bitching about. That doesn't mean that absurd opinions he advances shouldn't be countered- it's still a high traffic site. And no, Charles- disagreeing with you (especially given the evidence that counters your assertions) isn't an "attack". Get over yourself already. Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 05, 2009 01:44 PM (plsiE) 66
I didn't know anything about that truther thing, ya'll always blamin' the back man for somethin' a white man done.
Posted by: Van Jones at September 05, 2009 01:45 PM (65nBk) 67
Two words pretty much sums up the Huffy riding Captain Queeg: Cognitive Dissonance. The guys got a clinical case of terminal narcissism and will never admit when he's wrong, nor apologize for anything. He's lost any shred of credibility and relevance and his blog has basically become a digital Jonestown and he its cult leader. Good job once again Ace for exposing and picking apart this hypocritical clown and fraud . Posted by: Blazer at September 05, 2009 01:46 PM (bAc7l) 68
"I've made maybe 15 comments in 4 years of being registered at LGF. I
posted the link to Chuckles' own story about Lerner, and bam, instant
banning."
That's hilarious when linking to a Charles Johnson LGF article gets you banned by... Charles Johnson. AS I SAID. THE MAN IS INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST! Posted by: Christoph at September 05, 2009 01:46 PM (uYL8F) 69
Someone made a good point the other day when noting that Johnson needed less proof before (rightly) declaring Ron Paul a Truther. Someone should compare the evidence we have of these 3 to what we have of Ron Paul.
Using Johnson's logic, Ron Paul was simply asking questions and asking for investigations too. Doesn't mean he's a Truther. Ron Paul may have appeared on Truther Alex Jones' show for interviews, but, just like Van Jones going to Truther rallies, this doesn't mean he's a Truther. Guilt by association!!! I bet if we apply Johnson's 'logic' in defending Van Jones to Ron Paul, he would also not be a Truther. Ironic. I agree with ace and others that Johnson is just another member of the religion of Obama. Therefore he will cling to his worship of all things Obama and make excuses for everything. In addition, he has an unhealthy hatred for Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin and it's personal for him with them, as he simply will not allow them to be correct, in his eyes, or admit they were correct on anything. Posted by: Michael in MI at September 05, 2009 01:46 PM (ObTcs) 70
I would be stoked if Zombie became a guest blogger here.
Posted by: runninrebel at September 05, 2009 01:47 PM (i3PJU) 71
LULZ squared. So Van Astronaut signs a friggin' document, which he explicitly does not deny, that is a outright Truther petition, and his excuse is "they misled me." A bunch of kooks can mislead the brilliant Van Astronaut into signing a lunatic fringe document. Yep, that's the kind of guy who will fit right in at the White House. Farking genius, he is. It's not like he had a history of supporting every far left cause and speaking at far left wing demonstrations, right? Oh wait, he has precisely that history.
CJ and the leftards in the media are trying to make like grooms pacifying scared horses, draping blackout cloth over their eyes. It makes monsters disappear, automagically. Posted by: George Orwell at September 05, 2009 01:48 PM (AZGON) 72
Til this blows over, I shall post as "Cool Money Grip". Posted by: Jones soon to be Cool Money Grip at September 05, 2009 01:21 PM (KOkrW) What's the problem? Posted by: Grace Jones at September 05, 2009 01:48 PM (dQdrY) 73
I'll add, using leftard/big lizard CJ logic, there in fact are no Truthers at all. They never existed. Just people asking questions.
Posted by: George Orwell at September 05, 2009 01:49 PM (AZGON) Posted by: Moonbat_One at September 05, 2009 01:49 PM (COH0f) 75
Somebody make sure and feed the fish in that LGF bullshit-barrel.
The more Queen Schwinn tries to twist and turn to make his own case out of pure smug self-righteousness the funnier it will be to watch. My advice to the un-LGF-banned is to take away CJ's shovel. He is digging himself a serious hole. Seeing Mr. Big Smarty-Pants Internet Guy get his ass schooled by his boogeymen Malkin and Beck has an evil sort of revengy-caramel-Budweiser-goodness that us Teas Party religious hicks just love to savor. Posted by: sifty at September 05, 2009 01:49 PM (BtN0s) 76
Actually you can't have a religion without god, its just that god can be hard to initially see: usually the god is "me" in modern iterations of religion.
Johnson is an ass, and he's been beclowning himself more and more each month. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 05, 2009 01:51 PM (PQY7w) 77
I think Ace's post from yesterday said it all. All CJ has is an ever diminishing defensive posture. Van Jones isn't a truther because truthers said so and truthers lie. Van Jones name appears on a thruther petition. He didn't sign it because it is a truther petition and truthers lie. Van Jones apologizes for signing it. He isn't responsible for his signature because thruthers lied to him about what the petition was for.
Posted by: 2549 at September 05, 2009 01:51 PM (WYkJI) 78
For a guy who claims to hate fascism, Chuckles sure seems to admire and imitate their tactics.
Posted by: radar at September 05, 2009 01:41 PM Yep, like a typical Leftist too. The Left claims to hate fascism, but that's just another of their lies. They simply hate what they perceive as right-wing fascism. But they are quite comfortable using fascism to promote their own side, and do so often. Recall their tactics of shouting down conservative speakers at events on college campuses, throwing things at conservative speakers, threatening violence and disruption in order to get organizations to cancel conservative speakers due to "security concerns", rushing the stage and putting up banners and chanting at some anti-illegal immigration speeches, etc. For the Left, the end justifies the means. Posted by: Michael in MI at September 05, 2009 01:52 PM (ObTcs) 79
In the future the internet will come with a warning: "Do not attempt to use weak or twisted logic to substantiate your claims and then proceed to get into an argument with Ace. You will be found wanting and will then be destroyed. That is all." I love watching weak arguments get blown up. Posted by: WillOTP at September 05, 2009 01:52 PM (HCjUF) Posted by: Cool Money Grip at September 05, 2009 01:52 PM (KOkrW) 81
I note with interest that Chuckles continues to assert that "signatories were misled" while at the same time refusing to address the fact that two of those signatories have a clear history of Truther associations. I thought Truthers lie?
Posted by: radar at September 05, 2009 01:53 PM (vIEPT) 82
Wow, Ace is ridding me like I ride my bike. Damn, I'm someone's bitch. How'd that happen?
Oh yeah....you are all banned. And fascists. And Truthers. And anti-evolution. And Paulbots. Plus, if I ever find out who ate my strawberries there will be hell to pay! Hell I say!* *Not that I personally believe in Hell mind you. It's just a figure of speech you understand. Posted by: Charles Johnson at September 05, 2009 01:54 PM (iTt2X) 83
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Seriously - can you imagine the outrage if someone threw a pie at a Congressman at one of these town hall meetings? You know, the same thing campus radicals have done to conservatives for years? Oh, that was just lighthearted fun thought! Posted by: radar at September 05, 2009 01:55 PM (vIEPT) 84
CJ is a one-hit-wonder. He's Jimmy Buffett making a career off of "Margaritaville" (and maybe "Cheeseburger in Paradise).
Anyway, I'm pretty sure Johnson considered the Bible a "hate site," so you're in good company Ace. Posted by: 29Victor at September 05, 2009 01:56 PM (AfPnb) 85
There is more to Jones than the troofer crap. How will CJ explain away the CD Jones made with Mumia, the cop killer. All the anti USA crappola that has come out this commies mouth. He hates whitey, except his wife. I stopped going to LGF about two years ago, just got to weird, all the Creationist hate just got to me. Actually he seemed to hate anyone who disagrees with his soup of the day.
Posted by: jAYNE at September 05, 2009 01:56 PM (+chYQ) 86
Ahhh, now it's all coming together, Ace. Thank you for clarifying it so well. The anti-religion Charles Johnson has joined a religion and doesn't even realize it. As Spock would say: Fascinating. And I might add, like all newcomers to a religious movement, Charles Johnson is behaving like a zealot. Posted by: Tweet Allen Poe at September 05, 2009 01:56 PM (2STkg) 87
Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere. He is a true fugitive who flies from reason. Logic is a system whereby one may go wrong with confidence. Posted by: Lamer who quotes others at September 05, 2009 01:57 PM (dQdrY) 88
I don't think Ace is ever going to stop focusing on Johnson, if you know what I mean.
Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at September 05, 2009 01:57 PM (novKZ) 89
Buddhism and Taoism do just fine without a Satan.
There's no personification of evil just like there's no personification of good in either of those religions, not because there's no good and evil, but because of the delusion that reality is not real and the physical is a myth. There's good: doing certain acts are moral and result in personal benefit and advancement, and there's evil: things you should not do because they are harmful and cause you to fail and face negative consequences. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 05, 2009 01:57 PM (PQY7w) Posted by: Tweet Allen Poe at September 05, 2009 01:59 PM (2STkg) 91
I'll add, using leftard/big lizard CJ logic, there in fact are no Truthers at all. They never existed. Just people asking questions.
Posted by: George Orwell at September 05, 2009 01:49 PM Except for Ron Paul. I bet if all this evidence were about Ron Paul, Johnson would have NO problem (rightly) declaring him a Truther. BUT, since it's an Obama minion, he's in full defense mode. Pathetic. Imagine if Glenn Beck had signed this petition and attended that Truther rally. Think Johnson would be defending Beck? No way in hell. This is completely personal for Johnson. Personal in defense of his cult religion of Obama and person in his refusal to credit Beck for being right about anything. Posted by: Michael in MI at September 05, 2009 02:00 PM (ObTcs) 92
Johnson's old news, his desire to run his blog as a Reid/Pelosi Democrat town hall where he acts as both Senator and SEIU is clear.
It's important to turn over the rock on Jones, not just because Trutherism is just about the LEAST objectionable of the causes he espouses, but because he's only the first of many that need to be rooted out.
Posted by: mrkwong at September 05, 2009 02:01 PM (G8Eo0) 93
Maybe some of the christian blogs will set upon the ghey cycle rider and burn him as the anti-christ.
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at September 05, 2009 02:01 PM (V2AXY) 94
Van Jones name appears on a thruther petition. He didn't sign it because it is a truther petition and truthers lie.
Van Jones apologizes for signing it. He isn't responsible for his signature because thruthers lied to him about what the petition was for. Posted by: 2549 at September 05, 2009 01:51 PM (WYkJI) But if Van Jones is a Truther and Truthers lie, then Van Jones is lying about Truthers lying to him. It's obvious that Charles is new at this faith thing, he'll get it right eventually. Posted by: 29Victor at September 05, 2009 02:01 PM (AfPnb) 95
I see you morons don't like my homeboys CJ and Van, you know what Krackers? Screw you that's what, I won.
Posted by: Barack Obama at September 05, 2009 02:01 PM (H60q6) 96
There is more to Jones than the troofer crap. How will CJ explain away the CD Jones made with Mumia, the cop killer. CJ is already doing a modified walk-back on Jones, saying that maybe he should be booted but not for the reasons that the "hate sites" are advancing. Posted by: flenser at September 05, 2009 02:01 PM (im2A1) 97
Kejda Gjermani, the Albanian sychophant of CJ, is married to Michael who did that great video Building a Religion. small world
Posted by: Obamartini-Absolut Zero at September 05, 2009 02:03 PM (YU3fn) 98
I'm makin' a list, I'm checkin' it twice, gonna find out who's naughty or nice.....
Posted by: Carlos the Johnson at September 05, 2009 02:03 PM (vIEPT) 99
85 There is more to Jones than the troofer crap. How will CJ explain away the CD Jones made with Mumia, the cop killer. All the anti USA crappola that has come out this commies mouth. He hates whitey, except his wife.
Posted by: jAYNE at September 05, 2009 01:56 PM Mumia, commie, truther, meh. As long as he's not a Creationist, Johnson is cool with him. Posted by: 29Victor at September 05, 2009 02:03 PM (AfPnb) 100
I've said it before:
Charles claims he was on top of the Van Jones story first, with his claims of communism etc. Nothing happened When finding of his trutherism came out, that is what is going to bring Van Jones down. CJ has to discredit this claim in order to claim prize of having brought down and Advisor to the President. The same way he laid claim to the Dan Rather documents of which he had nothing to do with. If the trutherism claim isn't debunked, CJ loses this battle of credibility as an "investigative journalist". I would look at this as a business decision. Posted by: TendStl at September 05, 2009 02:03 PM (hCbeQ) Posted by: George Orwell at September 05, 2009 02:04 PM (AZGON) 102
Who is CJ's Mary Mapes?
Posted by: runninrebel at September 05, 2009 02:04 PM (i3PJU) 103
Kristopher, the original point was that religions need enemies not deities, besides Taoism and Buddhism do have their own devils, they're just called materialism and malevolent spirits rather than Satan and fallen angels.
Posted by: Ben (the original) at September 05, 2009 02:04 PM (Zsk8k) 104
Charles needs to give his suckass posters a new title. I'll even throw out the first name idea... Displaced Independent Party Socialites Harboring Idolatrous Tendancies Or D.I.P.S.H.I.T
Posted by: Big Tabasco at September 05, 2009 02:04 PM (CCn2g) 105
Charlie's bizarre descent into madness reminds me of how Chef became a child-molester after hanging around with the the Super Adventure Club.
Oooh, "Super Adventure Club," what a teh awesome nickname for LGF. Posted by: V the K at September 05, 2009 02:05 PM (yxBaM) 106
CJ is already doing a modified walk-back on Jones, saying that maybe he should be booted but not for the reasons that the "hate sites" are advancing.
Posted by: flenser at September 05, 2009 02:01 PM Yep. He is also claiming that he has been criticizing Jones for his other radical views for some time now. On which point he has already been proven a liar, as a simple search of his site produces no posts criticizing Jones. Posted by: Michael in MI at September 05, 2009 02:05 PM (ObTcs) Posted by: Dr. Spank at September 05, 2009 02:06 PM (muUqs) 108
CJ has a photo of a troofer at a Tea Party where Glenn Beck broadcast live -- incontrovertible evidence that Beck and Tea Party protesters are all troofers, too! Maybe God smote CJ with teh powerful crazy after he went all anti-religious? Posted by: Tinian at September 05, 2009 02:06 PM (7+pP9) 109
This has been a long time coming, but I am now a person non grata at that site, along with the many others who have been banned for various reasons. I don't have anything personal against CJ, so I won't engage in any ad-hominems, but I will comment on the radical shift that the site has taken.
I certainly had not changed my views since I first joined LGF years ago, and yet I found myself more and more out of sync with some of the viewpoints expressed at LGF. As more and more conservatives and others have been purged from the site, there has been an influx of liberal posters and this has radically changed that site for the worse. Some of the people would fit perfectly in at a liberal hate site, such as daily kos. More and more of LGF's links and stories now come from liberal sources than ever before. Their ratings system is a terrible idea, as a small group of liberal idiots are allowed free reign to roam around and downping posts that aren't made by wackjob liberals. It's always the same small group of people who are behind this. They're like LGF's liberal stormtrooper squad who go around and accuse people of being everything from "sleepers", to supporting so-called right wing extremists, to trolls. I've been on many liberal leaning forums before, and it's sad to say that LGF has become more and more like one of those sites. There is a definite group-think mentality taking place, and those who don't follow the party line (which has become decidedly more and more anti-right and more pro-Obama) will find themselves banned sooner or later. It has truly become totalitarian like in nature, with people even afraid to disagree, because they know what will happen. LGF is wrong on this Van Jones issue, common sense and critical thinking is simply not appreciated there anymore. Posted by: Mad Mullah at September 05, 2009 02:07 PM (1LjuF) 110
Crazy or no, CJ's profound logic and scientific reasoning can be best assessed in light of existing data
Posted by: Scott in OC at September 05, 2009 02:07 PM (E6TGr) 111
I can smell the diesel warming up on the Obama bus.
Posted by: George Orwell at September 05, 2009 02:08 PM (AZGON) Posted by: Texan99 at September 05, 2009 02:08 PM (0Yr25) 113
Insty links Rand Simberg on this nonsense. Rand has a particularly pithy and succinct take.
Posted by: George Orwell at September 05, 2009 02:10 PM (AZGON) 114
Well Ace is giving up, after a drivel laden Saturday Morning Thread and satire, claiming of "Scouring the right wing blogs for more proof" he hasn't been able to find any and has come the conclusion that all lefties come to when faced with facts and verifiable arguments:
That we are just full of hate "The only conclusion I can reach is that theyre so overcome by hatred for Barack Obama that the judgment centers in their brains have been permanently switched off." Posted by: TendStl at September 05, 2009 02:10 PM (hCbeQ) 115
Why is it Charles Johnson...
I think it's pretty easy to figure out. Recall the coining of the disease of "Bush Derangement Syndrome". Well, we have another disease of the same strain, only it has to do with Obama Worship Syndrome (or some other better clever name). Just as people used twisted logic over everything regards Dubya, based on their utter hatred of him -- Bush Derangement Syndrome -- so too are people doing the same logic twisting with regards to Obama, only in the opposite direction. These people's minds are poisoned with irrational hatred. Posted by: Michael in MI at September 05, 2009 02:11 PM (ObTcs) 116
Thats it, you are all going on my sooper-sekret blog hit-list for defaming my idol and personal saviour Mr.Charles Johnson. Posted by: Wild Irish Tub O' Lard at September 05, 2009 02:11 PM (bAc7l) 117
Norman co-ordinate!
Posted by: CJ's Bicycle at September 05, 2009 02:12 PM (AKepb) 118
TAP - it's always struck me as fascinating that Johnson seems to think that anyone who's more than a weddings-and-funerals Christian must be a slobbering nonfunctional idiot, but he'll fervently parrot the orthodox warmist doctrine which is, at the level that he understands and interprets it, just received wisdom anyway.
Posted by: mrkwong at September 05, 2009 02:13 PM (G8Eo0) Posted by: TendStl at September 05, 2009 02:13 PM (hCbeQ) 120
"The only conclusion I can reach is that theyre so overcome by hatred for Barack Obama that the judgment centers in their brains have been permanently switched off."
Posted by: TendStl at September 05, 2009 02:10 PM Wow, talk about some major projection from Johnson. Posted by: Michael in MI at September 05, 2009 02:15 PM (ObTcs) 121
I wonder how Johnson will spin his hero Van Jones producing an anti-Israel CD?
Oh right, never mention it. Posted by: DJ at September 05, 2009 02:16 PM (+4v3p) 122
If only Van Jones was a Creationist.....
Posted by: radar at September 05, 2009 02:16 PM (vIEPT) 123
Maybe his logic is that Truthers always lie, therefore if Truthers say Jones and Zinn are Truthers, then they must not be Truthers, even if non-Truthers also say that they are Truthers, and even if they themselves have admitted to it at some point.
Posted by: Dave M at September 05, 2009 02:17 PM (Agux6) 124
Charles Johnson and LGF jumped the shark years ago. Ban them! Ban all who would dare question me! Posted by: gdonovan at September 05, 2009 02:18 PM (x1Lin) 125
CLAIM: Obama adminstration "Green" czar Van Jones is a 9/11 "truther," believing that the prior administration planned the 9/11 attacks.
FACTS: The allegation is false. According to Van Jones, he "does not and has not ever held such beliefs." The smear has been debunked by even conservative sites such as Little Green Footballs, which have presented overwhelming evidence of Jones' denial of the allegation. Posted by: FactCheck.org at September 05, 2009 02:18 PM (GtDgY) 126
"Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad." Posted by: Some dead Greek dude at September 05, 2009 02:18 PM (dQdrY) Posted by: mrkwong at September 05, 2009 02:19 PM (G8Eo0) 128
@56 Nice find there Sgt.
Posted by: WillOTP at September 05, 2009 02:19 PM (HCjUF) 129
Think I'm finally tossed under the bus.
Posted by: RWC at September 05, 2009 02:19 PM (q2XnV) 130
Doesn't Charles still half-own Pajama's Media (now PJTV after the Conservative Blog Purge of Jan 2009 BANNED! YER ALL BANNED!)?
So are Zo and Crowder going to be allowed to do stories about Van Jones' Trutherism? I've always wondered how those two felt about working for Charles. I figure both of them would be banned from LGF within a month of signing up. Posted by: 29Victor at September 05, 2009 02:20 PM (AfPnb) 131
If only Van Jones was a Creationist..... Bastard! I almost spit up perfectly good Sam Adams brew when I read that, so true! The guy would be under the bus in a mili-second. Posted by: gdonovan at September 05, 2009 02:20 PM (x1Lin) Posted by: runninrebel at September 05, 2009 02:21 PM (i3PJU) 133
"The only conclusion I can reach is that theyre so overcome by hatred for Barack Obama that the judgment centers in their brains have been permanently switched off."
Yep, definite projection. We could just replace Barack Obama with Christian or Social Conservative and say the same thing about CJ. In fact, it's closer to the actual truth since he spends all of his time now attacking the right and giving a free pass to the left. Posted by: Blazer at September 05, 2009 02:22 PM (bAc7l) Posted by: 29Victor at September 05, 2009 02:24 PM (AfPnb) 135
Posted by Charles [at LGF] Sat, Sep 5, 2009 10:24:13am "The Truthers lied about the document to several of the signatories. And they put Rachel Ehrenfeld's name on it without even asking." ------------- Ok Charles, but where's the "evidence" you contually demand of others to back up your claim that Jones' signature was added without his approval? Jones hasn't said this. Nope. Charles has become a Troofer himself when direct evidence (Jones signture on a document) is explained away as conspiracy. And Charles's "I've searched everywhere for evidence" defence doesn't cut any ice either. I constantly tell employees to get off the internet and pick up the damn phone. The internet has become a handicap for a lot of people. If they can't find it usin Google, then it must not exist. Posted by: TakeFive at September 05, 2009 02:24 PM (nWWSz) 136
According to Van Jones, he "does not and has not ever held such beliefs."
Must be why Van apologized for signing the troofer petition. 'Cause he never signed it, right? Posted by: George Orwell at September 05, 2009 02:25 PM (AZGON) 137
"The only conclusion I can reach is that theyre so overcome by
hatred for Barack Obama that the judgment centers in their brains have
been permanently switched off."
Fortunately it's still not personal yet. Posted by: AD at September 05, 2009 02:27 PM (yo14T) 138
Hey, ace, would you please stop pounding my ass. Please?
Posted by: Charles "Exploding heads" Little Johnson at September 05, 2009 02:27 PM (glz9G) Posted by: The Shark at September 05, 2009 02:29 PM (bAc7l) 140
"HATE sites." There's one of my favorite overused, meaningless terms, "hate." If I do it, it's activism and passion but if you do it, it's hate. It's a hippy expression, no wonder Charles is using it. My favorite mental image of hypocrisy is a large group of pro-gay marriage protestors, hanging effigies of people they disagree with, holding up signs with drawings of their opponents heads severed or with devil horns drawn on them, chanting every vile obscenity and death threat in the book. I stop and ask what they're protesting and they say "We're protesting against hate!" "I'm getting the feeling Ace of Spades really wants me to link to him." Why does this assbucket think the world revolves around who he does or doesn't link to? It's like he's got an HREF fetish or some shit. Posted by: Crusty at September 05, 2009 02:30 PM (qzgbP) 141
Back during the election, i didn't go along with the group think about McCain over at LGF. I didn't think it was a big deal, but in a matter of minutes some of the more well known commentors there were making comments speculating that i was a racist member of the BNP party, or whatever that group they obsess on is called, even though i had been commenting there for two years before that. All it took was one comment disagreeing about McCain for those paranoid wackos to label me a sinister racist troll from Europe, They really are insane. I haven't commented there since and have no plans to.
Posted by: jonz at September 05, 2009 02:30 PM (GJfTu) 142
AHFF Geoff wrote me to say "Stop focusing on Johnson and focus on Jones." Geoffs advice is good. Johnson is not the issue, Jones is. For those of you, particularly the Banned, who are vilifying CJ, it looks to me like you damage yourselves (actually your nics), and Ace, nothing else. I suppose it feels good, but thats about it. Im not banned there, at least of this posting, but I went round with CJ twice yesterday, and seemed to be at risk. As a poster who is usually ignored, I seem to now get quick attention from CJ. Unusual. The difference seemed to boil down to: CJ pointed out that there is no no-Truther source for Jones Truther connection, so Jones is clear on this count. My position was that Jones past and present, and his evasive reaction to the Truther document, put quite a lot of stink on Jones, so Jones has some splainin to do. The difference seems to be in what is admissible and what is not. Both are reasonable positions, but which one is to be used needs to be made clear. I keep my posts profanity- and ad-hominem-free (i.e., no "you lose immediately" debate-fu result), as on-topic as I can, and based as much on direct reading and relevant facts as I can. Maybe this makes a/the difference. As for Jones, he has quite a lot of baggage, any 10% of which should be more than enough to disqualify him. He also seems to have no substantive qualifications, no job experience. But hell control $30billion. Why is he even being considered? Personal Loyalty. This isn't good, particularly in light of today's posts here and elsewhere. Is Jones a Truther? I dont think so, and it matters little to me. But the facts that he did sign the petition, ~4 months after the Truthers began, and was in the area, both physically and socially (so he or his people could not reasonably not have known about the Truthers), tell me that Jones very likely knew what he was doing when he signed, kenw how things would unfold (crossing people in Oakland has consequences), and did what he did for political gain. The stink is all his. Unfortunately these problems mean little to 52% of voters. But the Truther charge is different. It matters to many people. It could at least stall Jones for a while, giving time to form solid arguments against him. Posted by: Arbalest at September 05, 2009 02:32 PM (bwK3Q) 143
Dammit, why couldn't I have been born black!
Posted by: Chalres Jhonsen at September 05, 2009 02:32 PM (P33XN) 144
Well my fellow mammals, men and women, the result of billions of years of evolution, capable -- despite the complete absence of any deities that care about us as individuals -- of love, romance, passion, laughter, grieving, science, technology, medicine, walking on the moon, sending space probes beyond the solar system as well as landing on both the planets of and moons of the planets of our solar system, of nuclear fusion, creating new elements, of instant telecommunications, and of poetry...
... I bid you adieu for the day while I have a late breakfast at Denny's with my most beloved female primate hominid, a sexy one at that, which not even her Christian delusion could force out of her nature. Posted by: Christoph at September 05, 2009 02:32 PM (uYL8F) 145
If I had enough nails, I'd stick every Christian on a cross.
Posted by: Chalres Jhonsen at September 05, 2009 02:34 PM (P33XN) 146
The Super Adventure Club is more worried that Glenn Beck might be right about something than they are that a radical Troofer is setting policy in the White House. That's pretty f'd up right there.
Posted by: V the K at September 05, 2009 02:35 PM (yxBaM) 147
I haven't read LGF for quite a while until the last couple of days. Is there anyone, left there that disagrees with Charles? Yikes! Reading LGF is like watching a Pentecostal worship service.
Even the far lefty blogs allow disagreement. Posted by: 29Victor at September 05, 2009 02:35 PM (AfPnb) Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at September 05, 2009 02:36 PM (4uRra) 149
I don't read LGF but I did go there just now to see what all the hubbub is about, and saw a posted that began thusly: >Heres an open thread for a very warm Friday afternoon, as we skip merrily down a tree-lined avenue without a care in the world... Sounds kinda ghey. And I already know the guy takes pictures of his bicycle and parking lots and shit. Is this LGF guy sort of an internet Pee Wee Herman? Posted by: Cool Money Grip at September 05, 2009 02:37 PM (KOkrW) 150
There's no comparison between Bush Derangement Syndrome and so-called Obama Derangement Syndrome. BDS was based on believing Bush was responsible for things he didn't do and fear that he would do things that he ultimately never did. The left blamed Bush for being intolerant of dissent and that he would try to suppress anyone who disagreed with him. Never happened. The right blame Obama for sending union thugs to healthcare meetings, putting plants in his townhalls meeting, pre-approving who can ask him questions and hiring a belligerent press secretary, Robert Gibbs, who tells reporters what questions they can ask and how they must ask them. That's not derangement, that's what's really happening.
Posted by: Crusty at September 05, 2009 02:38 PM (qzgbP) 151
God, I can't stand Christph.
Posted by: runninrebel at September 05, 2009 02:39 PM (i3PJU) 152
ahhh, Cristoph, the douchebag extraordinaire. Couldn't help himself. Had to make an insulting comment. What a fucking putz. Funny how these atheists forget who brought about the modern Western civilization, isn't it? Posted by: Tweet Allen Poe at September 05, 2009 02:39 PM (2STkg) 153
Yes, they're definitely snakes, not lizards.
LGF began to go downhill when Kilgore, Sharmuta, the Albanian Nazi and Irish Rose began running the show, driving out the saner, more intelligent posters, who'd been there a while, and taking over the show for themselves. Dissent was most definitely not allowed. And then Charles got on his anti-creationist kick. Has he banned Zombie yet, for disagreeing with him? I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Posted by: Rhinestone Suderman at September 05, 2009 02:41 PM (NihhD) 154
When i come to think of it - anyone who says he's a Truther is in fact not a Troofer, cause Trufers lie. But then again, if he is no Twoofer he doesn't lie, so he probably is a Troowfer. My head is exploding.
Posted by: Charles "Spinach laden Mustiff" Johnson at September 05, 2009 02:41 PM (glz9G) 155
If I had enough nails, I'd stick every Christian on a cross.
Posted by: Chalres Jhonsen at September 05, 2009 02:34 PM (P33XN) And that is weird since Islam has pretty much the same creation story. Add this to the fact that he now supports those friendly to Islam, and you have to wonder whether the change was brought about by money or tail. Posted by: Johnathan E. at September 05, 2009 02:42 PM (dQdrY) 156
Is there anyone, left there that disagrees with Charles? Yikes! Reading LGF is like watching a Pentecostal worship service. The lizard faithful are just waiting for a comet to come by so CJ can tell them to drink their arsenic laced Kool-Aid and take a ride through the Universe. Posted by: Blazer at September 05, 2009 02:43 PM (AoS9J) 157
I just know that somebody is going to find video and pictures of Jones getting his Truther delights at a Truther rally.
I can't wait. Posted by: runninrebel at September 05, 2009 02:43 PM (i3PJU) 158
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AHFF Geoff wrote me to say "Stop focusing on Johnson and focus on Jones." Geoffs advice is good. Johnson is not the issue, Jones is. For those of you, particularly the Banned, who are vilifying CJ, it looks to me like you damage yourselves (actually your nics), and Ace, nothing else. I suppose it feels good, but thats about it. Im not banned there, at least of this posting, but I went round with CJ twice yesterday, and seemed to be at risk. As a poster who is usually ignored, I seem to now get quick attention from CJ. Unusual. The difference seemed to boil down to: CJ pointed out that there is no no-Truther source for Jones Truther connection, so Jones is clear on this count. My position was that Jones past and present, and his evasive reaction to the Truther document, put quite a lot of stink on Jones, so Jones has some splainin to do. The difference seems to be in what is admissible and what is not. Both are reasonable positions, but which one is to be used needs to be made clear. I keep my posts profanity- and ad-hominem-free (i.e., no "you lose immediately" debate-fu result), as on-topic as I can, and based as much on direct reading and relevant facts as I can. Maybe this makes a/the difference. As for Jones, he has quite a lot of baggage, any 10% of which should be more than enough to disqualify him. He also seems to have no substantive qualifications, no job experience. But hell control $30billion. Why is he even being considered? Personal Loyalty. This isn't good, particularly in light of today's posts here and elsewhere. Is Jones a Truther? I dont think so, and it matters little to me. But the facts that he did sign the petition, ~4 months after the Truthers began, and was in the area, both physically and socially (so he or his people could not reasonably not have known about the Truthers), tell me that Jones very likely knew what he was doing when he signed, kenw how things would unfold (crossing people in Oakland has consequences), and did what he did for political gain. The stink is all his. Unfortunately these problems mean little to 52% of voters. But the Truther charge is different. It matters to many people. It could at least stall Jones for a while, giving time to form solid arguments against him. Posted by: Arbalest at September 05, 2009 02:32 PM (bwK3Q) Translations: Jones is not a "Truther" and if you speak ill of Charles Johnson you are only hurting yourselves. I love it when the Lizard based concert trolls show up. Notice there is NOTHING in the above post that in anyway disagrees with anything Charles Johnson has said. Nothing. NADA. Did CJ himself mail this to you to post Arbalest? I guess that would explain the strange font you get only from cut and pasting. Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 05, 2009 02:45 PM (H7Rlw) 159
You just slapped the taste out of his mouth! Posted by: Crouching Puma at September 05, 2009 02:45 PM (1uwXR) 160
Whatever will you do, Ace, without traffic from LGF? You might as well quit blogging.
Posted by: Jim Treacher at September 05, 2009 02:45 PM (cvmgB) 161
Blazer at September 05, 2009 02:43 PM (AoS9J) Heh. I've mental pictures of a group of scared lizards milling around a hut while Chucky blares away on a megaphone, "It's all over. It's all over. They're coming for us, right now. Line up. Drink. Transform. Move on. It's all over." Posted by: Chalres Jhonsen at September 05, 2009 02:46 PM (P33XN) 162
Anybody know what has happened to CJ's hits since he started bashing Bobby Jindal, Pamela Geller, Glenn Beck, etc?
Posted by: Kevin Gregory at September 05, 2009 02:46 PM (wMGBw) 163
Have daily kos and du accepted the ghey peddler as one of theirs now??
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at September 05, 2009 02:48 PM (V2AXY) 164
Blazer at September 05, 2009 02:43 PM (AoS9J) Heh. I've mental pictures of a group of scared lizards milling around a hut while Chucky blares away on a megaphone, "It's all over. It's all over. They're coming for us, right now. Line up. Drink. Transform. Move on. It's all over." hahahah, Little Green Guyana Posted by: Crouching Puma at September 05, 2009 02:48 PM (1uwXR) 165
Posted by: Arbalest "Im not banned there, at least of this posting..." Just give it time brother. Charles seems to want only an echo chamber over there. I don't know whether it's paranoia, or something scared him. Maybe the Islamists finally got to him and convinced him Christians were an easier (and safer) target. Or perhaps he just decided it was more profitable to appeal to the Huffington Post crowd. At this point I can envision Dan Rather doing some Special Reports for Charless PJTV.
Posted by: TakeFive at September 05, 2009 02:49 PM (nWWSz) 166
There's no comparison between Bush Derangement Syndrome and so-called Obama Derangement Syndrome.
BDS was based on believing Bush was responsible for things he didn't do and fear that he would do things that he ultimately never did. The left blamed Bush for being intolerant of dissent and that he would try to suppress anyone who disagreed with him. Never happened. The right blame Obama for sending union thugs to healthcare meetings, putting plants in his townhalls meeting, pre-approving who can ask him questions and hiring a belligerent press secretary, Robert Gibbs, who tells reporters what questions they can ask and how they must ask them. That's not derangement, that's what's really happening. Posted by: Crusty at September 05, 2009 02:38 PM I agree. I don't believe there is any Obama Derangement Syndrome at all (some can make an argument for (1) calling Obama a closet Muslim or (2) the birth certificate movement, but even those things have a basis in facts about Obama's background, not things made up out of whole cloth for no other reason than irrational hatred). But I do believe BDS has morphed into Obama Worship Syndrome. Posted by: Michael in MI at September 05, 2009 02:49 PM (ObTcs) Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2009 02:50 PM (ucxC/) 168
LGF began to go downhill when Kilgore, Sharmuta, the Albanian Nazi and Irish Rose began running the show I don't know about those other people but I've had a few run-ins with Irish Rose, and she seems to be a full-blown moonbat lefty of the "Republicans are Nazis" sort. She quoted me the SPLC in support of that position.
Posted by: flenser at September 05, 2009 02:51 PM (im2A1) Posted by: Tweet Allen Poe at September 05, 2009 02:51 PM (2STkg) 170
Ive never seen CJ like this before.. what happened to him??
Posted by: Sal at September 05, 2009 02:53 PM (lMKBV) 171
38ahff:
2. thebigmoney article - morons, that article is the Pelican Brief to the Obama administration. allah did excellent work on the find, but you gotta put those quotes out there man. I missed this somehow. Link? Posted by: Derak at September 05, 2009 02:54 PM (paeuN) 172
I used to go to LGF religiously (hehe), but started seeing some crazy stuff about a year ago and now only come here. I don't mind people questioning my faith, but the hatred for people who profess faith on that site is nasty.
Posted by: chris at September 05, 2009 02:54 PM (qSack) 173
When did Charles Johnson turn into a pussy? Wasn't it around the time when the torture witch hunt was gaining momentum back in 2007? Posted by: Tweet Allen Poe at September 05, 2009 02:54 PM (2STkg) Posted by: The Haimster at September 05, 2009 02:56 PM (UpoWA) 175
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Yes, they're definitely snakes, not lizards.
LGF began to go downhill when Kilgore, Sharmuta, the Albanian Nazi and Irish Rose began running the show, driving out the saner, more intelligent posters, who'd been there a while, and taking over the show for themselves. Dissent was most definitely not allowed. And then Charles got on his anti-creationist kick. Has he banned Zombie yet, for disagreeing with him? I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Yes you are absoluteley right. Don't forget the latest bully there - iceweasel a nasty Brit if there ever was one. It is true that LGF went down the toilet once the old time posters got pusehd aside by the "new guard". However Sharmuta is too much of an idiot to be taken seriously and is generally despised by the LGFers still left.
Posted by: Hugh G. Rection at September 05, 2009 02:56 PM (SINWF) 176
Oh, yeah, Irish Rose is a real Republican hater. She also hates those Christians who don't live up to her high standards.
Posted by: Rhinestone Suderman at September 05, 2009 02:57 PM (NihhD) 177
1. Van Jone's signature miraculously appears on a Troofer petition. Troofers lie, but Jones does not deny that he signed it. Why not? Jones is qa lawyer and know all about plausible deniability. Should he deny it and be caught out, games over. So he skates and waits for willing accomplices and fools to provide him cover. 2. An aid later intimates that Jones didn't know what he was signing, if he signed it, or something. Foolish admission. Jones does not deny being a radical asshole, and now his aid paints him as a foolish, careless, radical asshole. 3. Enter CJ. Jones is an asshole, but no one can prove he's a Troofer, despite the fact that Jones appears to have signed a Troofer petition, a fact that Jones has not denied and a Jones aid seems to have confirmed, but Troofers lie, and lying troofers forge signatures and then lie some more, and other lied about possible Troofers come to the aid of the possible liars, who appear to have signed on as a Troofer. That way madness lies. Conclusion: Fire Jones for God's sake and let's get on with this circus. Posted by: Old Dad at September 05, 2009 02:57 PM (Gn3nw) 178
iceweasel, medaura, Sharmuta Wild Irishwoman, the names may change, but the tactic remains the same. In the event of any dissent on LGF, release the harpies and Kilgore Trout.
Posted by: Rhinestone Suderman at September 05, 2009 02:58 PM (NihhD) 179
Damn Ace! Can I have your babies? Okay okay - can I pay your child support?
You said it right and it is just really a shame but it was gonna happen sooner or later. LGF needs to be removed from any links considering it a "conservative blog" because the media will just keep using them as a reference to conservatives. Posted by: collardgreensandbacongrease at September 05, 2009 03:01 PM (VMO2A) 180
It's as if Charles thinks linking from his site is some sort of benevolent gift that only Righteous Few deserve.
I can't stand his self-righteous shit. My guess is, he's got like 8 browsers open on sites that mention his name and he fervently is smashing f5 to refresh the page looking for anything to feed his massive ego. Posted by: Concerned in OH at September 05, 2009 03:01 PM (tCE3y) 181
Chuck is an idiot. He cannot reason his way out of a wet paper bag. Ever since he banned me for asking him why he was so hateful to Christians I have been following his death spiral. Whether or not Jones is 'truther' is just one shingle among a whole barns woth of shingles. The man is anti-constitution, anti-free market, anti-capitalist, anti-responsibility, pro-reparations, pro-communist, pro-facist (just like YoMama), pro-socialist, anti-jew, pro-Hamas, anti-bipartisan, and just plan hateful towards over fifty percent of actual citizens. But clearly Chuck likes him and defends him. Why does Chuck take such great pains to 'protect' ace from calling Jones a truther when Jones himself has lied repeatedly already. Jones has said he is now a free-market capialist. Bullshit. And I do not need the narcissist Chuck to tell me that we should just believe him because, well, why would he lie anyway? Chuck is the most gullible person on the interwebs excepting perhaps his syncophants. But only when it comes to conservatism. Chuck has fallen hook line and sinker for the thrill up his leg for YoMama. Chuck would have reported Anne Frank to the brownshirts because she was a 'Zionist' after he banned her. Posted by: Steve In Tulsa at September 05, 2009 03:02 PM (lv+sJ) 182
Come on now. Irish has published many fine pieces of her own. The most special was "The Faith of Ted Kennedy" or something like that, on her own, most excellent blog. Posted by: Who Knows at September 05, 2009 03:03 PM (7FgWm) 183
I'm watching a Glenn Beck rerun right now (couldn't care less about college football) and he's reporting on Obama's collection of czars, with their radical ideas and Obama's opaque appointment process. WINGNUT! BAD CRAZY! BOYCOTT!
Posted by: arhooley at September 05, 2009 03:03 PM (nJVVl) 184
I've been interested in conservative politics since 1964 and I find the last decade the most strange.
There are a large number of "conservatives" who it turns out aren't really conservatives. Why they ever labeled themselves that is something of a mystery. Perhaps the cold war brought a number of liberals over to the Republican party and they found it convenient to associate themselves with the dominant ideology as a social thing. Now freed from fear of the communist menace they can return to their roots, their heart, the left. The Republican party and the conservative movement needs to cleanse itself of these folks so that when and if it ever gets back into power (don't think 2010/2012 are guaranteed Republican wins) it will not be encumbered by them. Be gone I say, be gone. Posted by: Harry at September 05, 2009 03:03 PM (I3PyA) Posted by: Tinian at September 05, 2009 03:04 PM (7+pP9) 186
174 Does anyone actually read LGF?
I'll wait.... I didn't think so. Posted by: The Haimster -------------------------- Only in the same spirit with which I visit DailyKos. Check out what the wayward thinkers and Koolaid drinkers are up to. Posted by: arhooley at September 05, 2009 03:04 PM (nJVVl) 187
And that is weird since Islam has pretty much the same creation story. Add this to the fact that he now supports those friendly to Islam, and you have to wonder whether the change was brought about by money or tail.
Posted by: Johnathan E. at September 05, 2009 02:42 PM A hallmark of the Left. Hate those that created Western Society and defend those who are actively trying to destroy it. Even on topics where they agree Posted by: 29Victor at September 05, 2009 03:06 PM (AfPnb) 188
I've always assumed that the "Little Green Footballs" were lizard droppings.
Charles pops them out and the lizardoids eat them up. Posted by: 29Victor at September 05, 2009 03:10 PM (AfPnb) 189
Ive never seen CJ like this before.. what happened to him??
Obama's win sent all the squishes into a panic to un-identify themselves with any unsympathetic opposition, to prove themselves loyal. They got scared. A few have nutted up, belatedly. Most can't, and they're ashamed of themselves, so they lash out at anyone who reminds them, by counterexample, of their cowardice. Johnson's exceptionally cowardly, so he reacts exceptionally. Posted by: oblig. at September 05, 2009 03:10 PM (2wzYk) 190
Poor Chucky Johnson. It's tragic what syphilis does to the brain when it goes untreated. I think Chucky should make an appointment with one of Barry's death panels. It's just better for everyone involved. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2009 03:10 PM (P33XN) 191
166 I agree. I don't believe there is any Obama Derangement Syndrome at all (some can make an argument for (1) calling Obama a closet Muslim or (2) the birth certificate movement, but even those things have a basis in facts about Obama's background, not things made up out of whole cloth for no other reason than irrational hatred). But I do believe BDS has morphed into Obama Worship Syndrome.
Posted by: Michael in MI Absolutely. Take it one step further and look at PDS. The degree of irrational love and adoration the left has for Barack Obama is proportionate to the irrational hatred and scorn they have for Sarah Palin. They love Obama because they've deluded themselves into believing he is a god. They hate Palin because she said he is not. You don't tell a tribe of mindless savages that their god is a fraud and not see a few hundred spears hurled your way. Someone make a cartoon of that, please? Posted by: Crusty at September 05, 2009 03:10 PM (qzgbP) 192
Since Arbalest felt like muddying the waters a bit, I'll repeat - I got banned for posting a link to CHARLES FUCKING JOHNSON'S OWN SITE. No profanity on my part, hell, not even an argument. I said something like "wanna read more about Michael Lerner's Truther past? Read here" and posted a link. That's it. I don't have any kind of history with Chuckles either. Like I said, I've been registered there for about 4 years and maybe made 15 comments that entire time. Chuckles has set himself up as a one-man SLORC and brooks no dissent of any kind now.
Posted by: radar at September 05, 2009 03:13 PM (vIEPT) 193
LGF is like some weird sociology experiment with his commenters as research subjects. CJ could pick any side of a controversy (he could choose to defend Van Jones or criticise Van Jones almost randomly) and the same thing would happen. His syncophants line up behind him like a school of fish and go to war.
Posted by: beckaholic at September 05, 2009 03:13 PM (HAcXp) 194
radar at September 05, 2009 03:13 PM (vIEPT) Dammit, when are you going to get it through your thick skull? FACTS DON'T MATTER! Never did, never will. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 05, 2009 03:15 PM (P33XN) 195
I have noted that CJ has a lot higher evidentiary threshold depending on who or what is being discussed. Signing a 911 truth petition is totally unreliable evidence but painting people as racist because they once were in the room or pictured with someone of whom he's found evidence of racism on the internet is iron clad proof that they knew the person they were with was racist (because racists never hide the fact they are racist) and they, therefore, are racist. He's constantly running with shit like that but on this deal all the sudden he's Johnny Cochrane and the 911truth glove won't fit because Howard Zinn refuses to put it on. He did some good work pointing out that alot of the anti-jihad people (especially in Europe) are racists. Then he just decided that anyone who had ever been in a room with any of them was racist. Which then meant that anyone who had ever been in a room or had dealings with any of those people was also a racist. And so on until by the end he figured that just about anybody (other than him) that was interested in fighting radical islam was a racist. Then he did the same thing with the creationists. Running it down the line until basically no socially conservative Republican could avoid the CJ Creationist Seal of Hatred. Anyway I stopped reading him except occasionally a few years ago when he did a completely dishonest hit job on Anne Coulter. On that occasion I had a copy of the book and was able to confirm his dishonesty with no doubt. After that I was done with him. Posted by: Big E at September 05, 2009 03:18 PM (VOigi) 196
Irish has published many fine pieces of her own. Indeed. One of them is where she posts that she is de-linking Hot Air from her own site in order to punish HA for allowing its commenters to say mean things about Darwins Prophet, or "Mr Johnson" as she calls him.
Posted by: flenser at September 05, 2009 03:19 PM (im2A1) Posted by: Sal at September 05, 2009 03:19 PM (lMKBV) 198
wanted to quote radars post..
Posted by: Sal at September 05, 2009 03:21 PM (lMKBV) 199
LGF is like some weird sociology experiment with his commenters sockpuppets as research subjects. CJ could pick any side of a controversy (he could choose to defend Van Jones or criticise Van Jones almost randomly) and the same thing would happen. His syncophants sockpuppets line up behind him like a school of fish and go to war.
Posted by: beckaholic at September 05, 2009 03:13 PM (HAcXp) FIFY Posted by: Sharmooooota at September 05, 2009 03:21 PM (glz9G) 200
What really burned me, though, was when CJ outed at least three of is most vocal critics. That was subpar, and then to have Eye-Rash Rose defend the acts? Heh.
Posted by: eddiebear at September 05, 2009 03:24 PM (jOVmo) 201
Jim in San Diego "there is NOTHING in the above post that in anyway disagrees with anything Charles Johnson has said" Go and check the Truther Document Signatories thread (start at #360, check #620) and the Pawlenty thread (#45) ". . .the strange font you get only from cut and pasting." I write my responses in Word, then cut and paste, then adjust for Bold, Italics, Links, etc. This gives me spellchecking and a much faster editor. Sometimes the on-line post box is incredibly slow. "Lizard based concert trolls" Good luck with that thought. See previous. More importantly, "there is NOTHING in the above post that in anyway" materially defends Charles Johnson either. See previous. I used to agree with CJ about 85% of the time in 2007, now its about 75%. See previous. When I post, I try to form a solid argument for my position. Check the LGF posts and responses. FWIW, I read most of lgfbannedandblocked.blogspot and nodrogsgreatesthits.blogspot, just to see if there was some sort of pattern, and I recall some of the bannings in 2008. Right or wrong, some of the Banned forgot basic guest rules, debate-fu, etc., and went ad-hominem. To make my (highly oblique) point from my previous post clear: if youre going to trash CJ, form a reasoned argument. Some of you are doing it, and quite well. Others are simply crapping on this blog, and while this really isnt my business, I figure saying something just might get a few posters to reset, decide what they want to do and then do it right. Two of the reasons I read Ace (and others) a lot, and post occasionally, are the news links (that I cant get elsewhere) and that I see several good writers, commenters and debaters with much material that I can reuse. My debate-fu can always use a boost.
Radar Ok, I muddied the waters. Not exactly intentionally, but I figured I should say my position. But I didnt see the waters as being particularly clear to begin with. Jim in San Diego called my post, and I responded. Sometimes a bit of self-reflection isnt a bad thing. Posted by: Arbalest at September 05, 2009 03:25 PM (bwK3Q) 202
Charles and his merry band of faggots certainly have a scientology feel to them, don't you think?
Posted by: Jack Burton at September 05, 2009 03:25 PM (YxJoH) 203
That Comfort Eagle vid was excellent. Ever since O started campaigning in 08 I always thought how appropriate that tune is to that shamwow artist.
Posted by: Corona at September 05, 2009 03:26 PM (+xghX) 204
I sure see a lot of familiar names from LGF days of yore here today. I haven't been there in a good long while, but it seems all the people worth listening to don't post there any more anyway.
Posted by: Bob's Kid at September 05, 2009 03:28 PM (PUJH9) 205
A bicycle riding jazz guitarist in the court of opinion vs a lawyer
If Cahrsel wasn't such an egomaniac, I'd almost feel sorry that Ace was running up the score on him Posted by: kbdabear at September 05, 2009 03:28 PM (0Lv+U) 206
How do I taste, CJ?
Posted by: Beck's ass at September 05, 2009 03:29 PM (dQdrY) 207
arablest:
Is that your LGFnic? If so, I at least give you props for coming here under your LGF name. The rest of them over there, save Zombie, are fucking idiots. Posted by: eddiebear at September 05, 2009 03:33 PM (jOVmo) 208
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Norman co-ordinate!
Posted by: CJ's Bicycle at September 05, 2009 02:12 PM
For the benefit of those of you who had lives outside of Star Trek: Norman, coordinate! Posted by: kbdabear at September 05, 2009 03:36 PM (0Lv+U) 209
205:
My worry is that CJ or Eye-Rash Rose (who does a lot of his spying and dirty work for him) finds out his real name and tries to out him. Speaking of Eye-Rash: She acts as though she is so fucking smart, yet her posts at LGF are nothing but "Upding!" comments. Anything more in depth than that starts to resemble my 4 y/o writing her name. Posted by: eddiebear at September 05, 2009 03:36 PM (jOVmo) 210
Now this is simple. If the 9/11Truth.org site can't be trusted because they all lie, then Zinn should just simply make the claim he should have 5 years ago when his statement was posted there, that he never made any such posting and that 9/11Truth.org slandered him by posting it and using his likeness without his permission.
Absent that, however, and its 100% clear that Zinn DID make that post thus making the truth and honesty of the 9/11Truth.org site entirely irrelevant. And the exact same holds true for Lerner. While I cannot find any text of this alleged statement from Lerner about the "9/11 Conspiracy and What's Next" if you can't come forward and claim you never made any such statement and that mujca.com is slandering you, then most likely you did that very thing. So what is more believable - these two sites are habitual liars and can't be trusted, therefore these two can't be Truthers OR Two people who can't be bothered to try and clear their own name of accusations they allegedly find distasteful Posted by: deadrody at September 05, 2009 03:42 PM (TxMs4) 211
Arbalest, CJ doesn't deserve civility or respect, he certainly hasn't afforded any to the long time commenters he's banned and then trashed behind their backs with his own ad-hominum attacks. I've seen folks banned for no more than simply disagreeing with him or downdinging him or his merry gang of vultures. The guys a bully and fancies himself an intellectual although he stays as far away as possible from a debate just like a true liberal. His idea of debate is whipping out the ban-hammer and crushing all dissent. He has become the very fascist he claims to despise. He has neither tolerance nor compassion when it comes to anything outside of his personal beliefs and believes himself to be the authority on everything. He's a malignant narcissisist. Posted by: Blazer at September 05, 2009 03:43 PM (AoS9J) 212
TakeFive I hear you, and thanks for the support. We shall see what happens. eddiebear Yes, and thanks for the vote. Arbalest is the only nic I use (except occasionally here, but the hash keeps everyone honest). ALL Im unclear on this: is rense.com a hate site or a whackjob site? The only post I could find there invoving death and things Teutonic is titled : "Swiss Cows Committing Suicide" I am confused and confounded, and in need of clarification. Posted by: Arbalest at September 05, 2009 03:44 PM (bwK3Q) 213
I used to agree with CJ about 85% of the time in 2007, now its about 75%. Considering that LGF nowdays makes David Frum and David Brooks look like right-wing extremists, that looks a lot like saying "I'm a Kossack". Posted by: flenser at September 05, 2009 03:44 PM (f4pMq) 214
I think we give CJ too much credit, he needs help. He's battling inner demons that he blames on Christ and Christians. What ever it was that caused his slow ( at First) decent into insanity is problematic, what is called for now is professional help.
Posted by: jainphx at September 05, 2009 03:46 PM (ebos5) Posted by: sickinmass at September 05, 2009 03:47 PM (/i4dU) 216
Damn, Ace. That takedown was fucking epic. My+Balls=Dipped. Posted by: The Drizzle at September 05, 2009 03:49 PM (fWnCD) 217
Right or wrong, some of the Banned forgot basic guest rules, debate-fu, etc., and went ad-hominem. This would be a little less risable if CJ's own debating style did not consist of calling people he disagrees with names e.g. Truthers, Birthers, Creationists, Nazis, facists, haters, etc etc. Posted by: flenser at September 05, 2009 03:51 PM (f4pMq) 218
Commenters are always maligning allah here, and I *LIKE* make sweet, sweet love with allah, but I
don't ban them or anything. On occasion I rebut them, but I'm not
banning people for committing a blog-on-blog crime.
FTFY, buddy. Posted by: XBradTC at September 05, 2009 03:52 PM (NimeM) 219
Charles johnson is a real piece of work who bans people who do not wanna live under islamic law the douschebag banned doriangrey[Who now posts on hot air] for not wanting to live under islamic law
Posted by: Yoshimitsu at September 05, 2009 03:54 PM (jN0xZ) 220
Blazer Your argument has much merit. However, I point to the topic post of this thread by Ace, the many votes for it, including mine, and argue that Ace did it right. Posted by: Arbalest at September 05, 2009 03:56 PM (bwK3Q) 221
It's a good thing this happened and I hope Ace keeps up the pressure for one simple reason: Charles Johnson has deliberately and ruthlessly tried to destroy the reputations of other people, particularly Robert Spencer, by calling them racists simply because they don't react to others the same way he does. He searches for the smallest grain of "evidence" he can find to support his position, and then calls anyone who has the unmitigated gall to defend themselves, and anyone who doesn't see it the same way he does liars, lunatics, racist hate mongers.
He has no credibility and it's good to see him finally get shown up for his own lunacy for the sake of all the people he as tried to destroy and will attempt to destroy in the future. Good. Posted by: Jaynie59 at September 05, 2009 04:01 PM (YjQWV) 222
Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God. But, the First Amendment to the Constitution notwithstanding, only Charles is permitted to say who that God is and what He is capable of. Thus in equal measure he can denounce Christians who don't believe in evolution as dangerous kooks, but when Geert Wilders denounces a literal belief in the Koran's admonitions to wage war on the Jews and such, Charles denounces him as a dangerous religious bigot. Charles has lost -- or perhaps never really had -- the clarity of thought and logic to see the inconsistency there. I suspect he is suffering from a rampant and pervasive infection of political correctness, which seems to have come on concurrently with Obama's election. And, as the Van Jones episode clearly shows, it's destroying his judgment on every matter, with the possible exceptions of bike riding and jazz guitar. Posted by: stuiec at September 05, 2009 04:06 PM (f0O9k) 223
Obama has said that he is not a Christian in the traditional sense. I walked away thinking hmm. I mean what does not in the traditional sense mean... Traditionally Christians believe in God and go to church and pray etc etc. I got the feeling that he meant he is not spiritual, which means he doesn't believe in God? That the church he goes to is an ends to his means, using Gods words to further himself politically? I mean we didn't know that Castro was a Communist in the beginning, Castro walked around in regular clothes always wore a crucifix talked about change. That was actually his slogan. Though when he won the world realized what he really was, a Communist. That video was creepy REALLY creepy. Castro comes to mind because all this leftist wack jobs, I won't call them Democrats because they are not, LOVE Castro. Van Jones, V. Jarret/her father call themselves Communist. No one is ready to pin that on Obama, yet. Though it is getting close and the blogsphere is helping connect the dots by uncovering all the crap the msm doesn't want us to hear or see. As far as CJ, be reasonable man. Look Van Jones may not be a truther in the traditional sense but he hitched his wagon to this group because it was carrying a message that would further his agenda. He had no problem signing petition and as a lawyer I can't imagine would not read the freaking paperwork. That is just not logical. For that he gets labeled a Truther as he should.
Posted by: lions at September 05, 2009 04:08 PM (E3n5a) 224
217:
That, or he lets his inner circle harpies attack you, then ban you and reveal private information if you return fire. Posted by: eddiebear at September 05, 2009 04:09 PM (jOVmo) 225
The difference seemed to boil down
to: CJ pointed out that there is no no-Truther source for Jones
Truther connection, so Jones is clear on this count. [...] The difference seems to be in what is admissible and what is not. Both are reasonable positions, but which one is to be used needs to be made clear. Posted by: Arbalest That is illogical, Captain. If you join an organization, for example, where would the evidence be that you joined it? Outside the organization or inside the organization? Inside obviously. So finding evidence at Truther sites is not only to be expected it's obvious. Posted by: Iskandar at September 05, 2009 04:12 PM (uAJI5) 226
Honestly, who cares one iota what Charles 'Bipolar' Johnson has to say on any topic anymore? He's done gone and flown over the cuckoo's nest already. Little Green Footballs shilling for Far Left Progressive's while feigning to be a 'conservative' website is now officially irrelevant and a non factor in the Blogospshere. Over the last 24 hours, Charles Icarus Johnson has been defending Van Jones, rabidly. (Still can't decide if he's just bipolar, or Icarus) Chuckie can't be taken seriously at any point on any topic any longer. He's done. Chuckie used to be sensible, once. Now he's just a power tripping manic depressive on top of being a narcissistic douche nozzle with a ban hammer for anyone and everyone who even slightly disagrees with him. His whole 'Lizard Army' must be lock-step rectum sniffers. Otherwise, he wouldn't even have an 'army'. They'd all be banned or 'blocked'. Plus, he's a tireless blathering salesman for Amazon. I guess that whole Amway thing didn't work out too well for him. He had a couple of good posts, and his 15-minutes of fame with 'Rathergate', and that's it. A 'one-hit-wonder' who went off the deep end. Whenever I see his name or 'LGF' I actually find myself sometimes wondering if he's actually a walking-talking sock puppet for DU or DKos. Posted by: Tom in So Cal at September 05, 2009 04:14 PM (OaUNp) 227
Come on, its simply an unrequited mancrush. Well, actually i think its more gai than that, not that there's anything wrong with that. Give the bully hell Ace. Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 05, 2009 04:24 PM (cniXs) 228
So sad to see Charles go down the sorry road paved by Andi Sullivan and John Cole before him.............
Posted by: Techie at September 05, 2009 04:26 PM (cxW4X) 229
221The funniest episode I saw was in his obsession with Glenn Beck. On April 15, Charles posted a link to his interview with the Daily Beast:
Theyve taken a real turn to the hard right, and Glenn Beck, I think, is kind of riding that wave, Johnson said. I dont know if hes necessarily going to incite violence, but I do think its irresponsible. It kind of drags down the discourse to a level that I, for one, am not comfortable with. The next day, Beck mentioned Charles by name, identifying him as a blogger and "jazz musician," and addressing Charles's attack directly, pointing out how Charles was attempting to poison the well -- and pointing out how of all people, Charles ought to know how indefensible that tactic is, having been the object of it himself: But the insinuation that this network is somehow responsible or approving of anything violent is ludicrous and quite honestly a destructive attempt to silence free speech. Thats something blogger Charles Johnson should know about, since hes been called an anti-Muslim bigot by most of the same people that unfairly said the same things about me. Apparently this was too much for Charles, who took umbrage at Beck's use of the term "jazz musician": Notice how Beck sneers out the words jazz musician, as if they were some kind of mortal insult as if being an alcoholic, weeping, ranting, creationist talk show host who idolizes John Birchers and Ron Paul is a real accomplishment, but practicing diligently for years, earning several gold records, and touring and recording with some of the worlds top musicians is worthy of derision and scorn. He capped off his "hurt little boy" rant with, "Glenn Beck is a punk." Charles resorting to such a cheap trick reminds me of the accusation of Alinsyite behavior that Obama leveled at McCain's supporters at one point during the campaign: "They throw the rock and then hide the hand that threw it." (Of course, in reality, it was Obama's supporters using that tactic, but that just makes it more germane to the Charles Johnson episode.) Posted by: stuiec at September 05, 2009 04:28 PM (f0O9k) 230
CJ's ego is made of balsa wood. He literally can't take the slightest challenge to his worldview or thoughts.
Posted by: Techie at September 05, 2009 04:29 PM (cxW4X) 231
Iskandar Reversing you post might clarify things. "So finding evidence at Truther sites is not only to be expected it's obvious." Yes, but the CJ Axiom says such evidence must be highly suspect (reasonably so, I think), possibly even discarded. "The difference seems to be in what is admissible and what is not. Both are reasonable positions, but which one is to be used needs to be made clear. Posted by: Arbalest" The environment for discussion, law court or everyday life, determines, reasonably, which standard is to be used. Posted by: Arbalest at September 05, 2009 04:30 PM (bwK3Q) 232
The answer is really quite simple Ace.
When you join the Obama religion, suspension of disbelief is an absolute requirement to be ordained as one of its high priests. Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 05, 2009 04:37 PM (zTDEi) 233
Ace said
"And I consider it my duty to rubbish this thoroughly faith-based defense" also irony....he bashes christians or anyone who doesn't believe in Evolution. Implies that FAITH makes people crazy. How does that feel CJ? You used to be a somebody in the blog world. now you & sharmuta & mandy manners are all jokes. don't make babies. Posted by: puking lizard at September 05, 2009 04:41 PM (i1+rx) 234
Charles has ruled out any evidence whatsoever that indicates Jones is a Truther or that Jones actually signed the petition. None of it is accepted at LGF. All arguments in favor of the evidence are ridiculed or condemned with ad-homs by Charles.
Zombie had better watch his/her back. Zombie is being set up for the chop. Posted by: HarryV at September 05, 2009 04:43 PM (0Qs+O) 235
"Cristoph [sic], the douchebag extraordinaire. Couldn't help himself. Had to make an insulting comment. What a fucking putz."
Only a nitwit would think a comment that said you and other humans are capable of: "love, romance, passion, laughter, grieving, science, technology, medicine, walking on the moon, sending space probes beyond the solar system as well as landing on both the planets of and moons of the planets of our solar system, of nuclear fusion, creating new elements, of instant telecommunications, and of poetry" ... by virtute of YOUR nature, your humanity, yourSELF... is an insult. Thank you for my laugh of the day. "Funny how these atheists forget who brought about the modern Western civilization, isn't it?" That would be scientists, technicians, engineers, and others working for the pursuit of knowledge, often against the expressly stated wishes of the Church. In any case, it would be people (humankind) who made these advancements. Thank you also for my howler of the day. Posted by: Christoph at September 05, 2009 04:45 PM (uYL8F) 236
I'm surprised Zombie hasn't been purged. Then erased out of LGF photos.
Posted by: Techie at September 05, 2009 04:48 PM (cxW4X) 237
Charles Johnson is suffering from the biggest case of unwarranted self-importance I've seen since Andrew Sullivan woke up this morning. Johnson actually thinks you're running some kind of guerrilla campaign to garner a link from LGF?
Yes, Charles: it's all about you. There are whole armies of people out there who envy you and want to be like you. They want your cool, your gravitas, your Internets savvy, your bicycle. Especially your bicycle. Guard your bicycle, Charles. Protect it with your life. Posted by: troyriser at September 05, 2009 04:49 PM (cYYYp) 238
Why would AOS want a link from LGF? I'm honestly surprised this thread hasn't been invaded.
Posted by: Techie at September 05, 2009 04:57 PM (cxW4X) 239
Yes, but the CJ Axiom says such evidence must be highly suspect (reasonably so, I think), possibly even discarded. Posted by Arbalest
Again, that standard does not allow for providing evidence. If we are to automatically discard evidence from an organization about membership, then there can be no positive evidence. It's the complete abdication of the chain of evidence. We can't prove a negative. Sorry, CJ's dodge is BS. There's no need to be graceful and pretend his argument is something other than poorly constructed and lacking critical thought. Don't bother. Posted by: Iskandar at September 05, 2009 05:00 PM (uAJI5) 240
Arbalest your debate-fu is boring. You've said a whole lot and managed to still take no position. Debater no , debate monitor maybe.
Posted by: polynikes at September 05, 2009 05:07 PM (ayuA3) 241
I have to admit, I don't even recognize LGF anymore, and I used to be a regular commenter there years ago. When the ID vs. Materialism posts started, I became interested in ID because I'd never heard of the concept before. As anyone who has ever checked out the subject on their own, it's next to impossible to make an informed decision unless you know some science. Otherwise youre just siding for or against the scientific consensus based on gut instincts, which are not always right. So I went on a two-year long self-study course in chemistry and biology, pretty much becoming apolitical, hanging out at science blogs, to figure things out for myself. Looking at LGF now, and especially the recent Pawlenty post, I thought, WTF? The first thing that caught my attention was the labeling of Pawlenty as a creationist. I'll go out on a limb and bet that Pawlenty doesn't think the world was created 10,000 years ago. Perhaps I'm wrong and Pawlenty really is a creationist and thus uber-looney. Probably he's just a Christian and that's not the same thing. But Charles' comments in the thread are very immature and thoughtless. And the one about lacing the public drinking water with lithium? Sheer craziness. The obsessive posts in support of evolution are very unpalatable to me now, as there are very legitimate problems which evolution and neo-Darwinism do not explain very well. The obsessive hatred of religion is equally unpalatable, and also the obsessive bashing of right-leading bloggers and pundits. I really dont know what to make of it. Whatever category LFG belongs in, it is not a conservative category. He should be railroaded out of every conservative-leaning web site and network. I can read the same shit on Huffington Post or Daily Kos if I wanted to.
Posted by: Godzilla at September 05, 2009 05:10 PM (q3vJN) 242
The environment for discussion, law court or everyday life, determines, reasonably, which standard is to be used. Posted by: Arbalest at September 05, 2009 04:30 PM (bwK3Q) You have something on your nose. Posted by: Beck's ass at September 05, 2009 05:10 PM (dQdrY) 243
Charles called Ace a "liar." He didn't say Ace was wrong or mistaken.
To me, that's personal. Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at September 05, 2009 12:52 PM (4uRra) This kind of stuff is precisely the reason I left LGF. Posted by: LGoPs at September 05, 2009 05:14 PM (odEHq) 244
"I'm surprised Zombie hasn't been purged. Then erased out of LGF photos."
Zombie will be discredited, then purged, then demonized. Iceweasel has already started the process. Posted by: HarryV at September 05, 2009 05:18 PM (0Qs+O) 245
I used to be able to comment at LGF. I am blocked now. That being said; LGF is trying to raise the tone of the debate. Rather than shouting, constructive debate is essential.
In this instance, it looks like Charles may be correct in that the guy didn't authorize his name on the petition. ACE ought to at least acknowledge that fact. Virtually everyone has the potential of fibbing between Van and the Truthers. The Truthers because they want credibility, Van because he wants a job. In America, you are innocent till proven guilty and while all the surrounding evidence looks like Van is a truther, there is no real smoking gun yet. LGF at least called Van out for what he is-a race baiting radical. I don't agree with a lot of LGF, because I think that LGF holds Reps to a higher standard than Dems. But I really appreciate him trying to raise the level of debate. And it would be nice to see Pawlenty et al declare themselves separate from intelligent design being taught in a public school classroom. Even though the John Birchers were conservatives, Buckley told them to stick it. The Republicans will elevate themselves unless they tell the radical right wing to stick it. Let the wackos be aligned with Democrats. They supposedly have a big tent. Posted by: jeff at September 05, 2009 05:32 PM (QVWhm) 246
"And it would be nice to see Pawlenty et al declare themselves separate
from intelligent design being taught in a public school classroom."
It would be nice to see Van Jones say he didn't sign the Troofer petition. But he hasn't said that. Only Charles and his asskissers have said that. "Raise the level of debate" my balls. Posted by: HarryV at September 05, 2009 05:37 PM (0Qs+O) 247
#240 polynikes "Arbalest your debate-fu is boring. You've said a whole lot and managed to still take no position. Debater no, debate monitor maybe." You have observed that my debate-fu can always use a boost. Im not particularly good in this area. My initial post is partly a report and partly a " which evidence standard do we use (and are we consistent?)", not really an effort at debate. I spent some time considering whether my initial post on this thread, about a clear debate elsewhere yesterday, would be useful or simply another turd. But I re-read the topic of this thread and several posts, and Im not sure that there really is a debate going on here, unless perhaps theres a "Reasoned Argument-ers" vs. "Charles is a Poopy-Head-ians" debate that I somehow missed.
The thing on my nose is a dust mask with Vicks Vap-o-Rub. When I see fat men, wearing very short leather britches with suspenders and knee socks, start to dance, sing and entertain, even on TV, well, this phobia of mine kicks in, and I take precautionary measures. Posted by: Arbalest at September 05, 2009 05:52 PM (bwK3Q) 248
Watching Ace go back and forth with Charles Johnson is amusing. It is fun to see someone else try to argue with someone who simply will not be reasonable.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 05, 2009 06:53 PM (EOnG1) 249
yes jeff let's purge the people who disagree with us from the party take your intolerance back to LGF at least pawlenty doesn't believe we evolved from monkey scum
Posted by: Yoshimitsu at September 05, 2009 07:13 PM (jN0xZ) 250
245
I used to be able to comment at LGF. I am blocked now. That being said; LGF is trying to raise the tone of the debate.
Um, you don't see how those two sentences contradict each other? Posted by: jonz at September 05, 2009 07:18 PM (mvMLh) 251
Didn't authorize his signature? Where did you pull that out of? His story is he didn't know what he was signing. Big difference of it's facts your concerned about.
Posted by: polynikes at September 05, 2009 07:34 PM (DDBXk) 252
If I had bet you $10,000 in 2004 that in 2009 a high-ranking adviser to the president would be outed as a 9-11 Truther and Charles Johnson would defend him, would you have taken that bet?
Posted by: V the K at September 05, 2009 07:36 PM (yxBaM) 253
polynikes no just no Posted by: B35ToMotherGaston at September 05, 2009 07:47 PM (jN0xZ) 254
I hadn't traversed over to the love-in known as LGF in quite a while, so I thought I would check it out since this was a brewin'. I cracked up. There had to be at least 10 comments per thread that were removed, and many admonitions by CJ to his faithful that they were linking sites he didn't approve of them linking. In the comments, for goodness sakes. It is worse than ever over there, they are all on the same page, and if they aren't CJ swoops in and corrects their wrongheadedness. I love it. I am now positive that CJ is really a made up name. It actually is code for Circle Jerks.
Posted by: di butler at September 05, 2009 07:49 PM (bP+aw) 255
What the fuck happened to Charles Johnson?
Posted by: N. O'Brain at September 05, 2009 07:55 PM (RbtXl) 256
If truthers lie, then maybe they are lying that they believe 9/11 was an inside job.
Posted by: fry at September 05, 2009 08:00 PM (GIxCl) Posted by: Circling the drain at September 05, 2009 08:00 PM (dQdrY) 258
Ace,
I appreciate the point you are making, but here's something I don't get: It seems to be the idea that Jones is a Truther a minor point compared to the fact that he is a Communist and a Black Nationalist. Of course, he would say he has changed, but he certainly has not given us any account of the process by which such a Conversion took place. When one goes from being a Black Nationalist to a person who has suddenly realized that all people are equal, it is a Paradigm Shift in their thinking. Van Jones has not disavowed his relationship with STORM either. He just says he's not with them anymore, but he adds, he has "not sold out." The Truther thing is a big deal, but in my book, the fact that he's a Black Nationalist is the far bigger deal. If we had a President appointing David Duke to his de facto Cabinet, we would think that President was dangerous. Likewise, we ought to be realizing that Obama is a dangerous man. Posted by: Pastorius at September 05, 2009 08:12 PM (B7BtC) 259
This may not be personal for you Ace, but I get the feeling everything is personal for CJ. Just read his comments.
For lefties, the political is the personal. Posted by: OregonMuse at September 05, 2009 08:23 PM (TnUnj) 260
When I saw LGF this morning (just checking the links, I swear), my stomach turned. I have been there since before you had to register. Now it's like an alien site. How can anyone on the side of America and American values support Van Jones? At all. The only answer is CJ either switched sides or he was never on our side.
Posted by: Plain Kate at September 05, 2009 08:58 PM (9JcNp) 261
We had an LGF regular stop by VS to defend Charles today. The guy's point was that Charles isn't defending Jones, just saying we shouldn't trust Truthers.
Uh...okay. First, it's a little weird that people from his blog feel the need to defend him, like he's the clan leader or something. Second, I'd be a lot more open to nuance regarding Charles if he wasn't such a complete prick about Christians. Let's face it, if some White House czar had signed a petition endorsing intelligent design, Charles would be going batshit over it. Anyone who suggested that, hey, maybe the guy misunderstood what he was signing would be told in no uncertain terms what a stupid, f**king loser they were for saying so. I can get that level of honesty at Think Progress. Posted by: John VS at September 05, 2009 10:50 PM (NcsIb) 262
Poor Charles. The more he and "Stinky" Beaumont gambole with each other, the more Charles turns to the Angry Left for solace.
Posted by: Puntas at September 05, 2009 11:26 PM (PYgfA) 263
Charles Johnson spends his evenings sucking the salt from Dan Rather's balls. Why anyone is still quoting this fraud is completely beyond me. If Charles Johnson would simply agree to go fuck himself in the ear with an icepick, the world would be a much better place. Posted by: Sam Adams at September 05, 2009 12:54 PM (Wh7pc)
I hereby volunteer to say this right to his face. Posted by: Mot at September 05, 2009 11:31 PM (R5Upi) 264
CJ is a hypocrite. He says there is no proof that Jones is a Truther because the sources are not credible yet he uses a bias source that holds no credibility to bash Glenn Beck. His site is no better than KOS as far as I am concerned. I removed it from my reader a long time ago.
Posted by: ZeroDmage at September 06, 2009 01:30 AM (c6qSB) 265
Jeff up there praises Charles Johnson for 'raising the level of debate'. That is complete bullshit. The one thing Johnson doesn't do is abide debate, much less raise its level. LGF is an echo chamber, a yes-man chorus, as bad or worse in that regard as HuffPo, DailyKOS or DemUnderground.
As an aside, I once corresponded with Zombie of Zombietime fame, asking him/her the best approach to take in building a story and drawing media attention to a problem I was striving to address--the exposure of a well-organized pedophile network on YouTube. He/she responded in detail and depth (and with great patience since I'm not a journalist by trade or inclination), and struck me as tough, determined, smart, and independent-minded. So yes, of course Zombie's days on LGF are numbered. Why? Because Johnson is an ego-driven lightweight, fully deserving the irrelevance and obscurity coming his way. Posted by: troyriser at September 06, 2009 02:31 AM (cYYYp) 266
245 I used to be able to comment at LGF. I am blocked now. That being said; LGF is trying to raise the tone of the debate. Rather than shouting, constructive debate is essential. And hopefully, with this compliant submission, I will be taken back into the fold. Posted by: liontooth at September 06, 2009 04:07 AM (rEPj1) 267
I'm getting the feeling Ace of Spades really wants me to link to him,
since he's continuing the attacks today. He'll be waiting a long time
There will never be a link, because the danger of people seeing what was actually written and deciding for themselves is too dangerous. Sorta like travel was restricted behind the old Iron Curtain. Posted by: liontooth at September 06, 2009 04:12 AM (rEPj1) 268
@Liontooth-don't actually care about that. I read his blog-dont agree with everything on it.
I do agree with his stand on creationism though. And I also think it behooves conservatives to keep a tone in the debate that is not outrageously shrill. We have the facts-we don't need to resort to conspiracy theories, hyperbole and pandering to right wing nut jobs to win. Let the left do all that. When we resort to calling Obama a racist or socialist, whether he is or isn't, it demeans the conservative cause. Obama is far left for sure. But until conservatives disavow the radical movements within their own party it will be hard to take back the middle of the political spectrum. This means separating and not pandering to birthers, John Birchers, creationists etc. No different than Buckley in the 60's with John Birchers. It also means adhering to our principles no matter who is in office-and holding conservative office holders to conservative standards. How many Republicans in DC really understand what it means to be a conservative. I think most of them are not a lot different from many of the Democrats? The spending performance, and expansion of government Congress from 2000-2006 gives you evidence of that. Posted by: jeff at September 06, 2009 08:37 AM (QVWhm) 269
Charles Johnson spends his evenings sucking the salt from Dan Rather's balls. No. Charles prefers salty chocolate balls. Posted by: van jones at September 06, 2009 12:54 PM (IS9r6) 270
i still can't believe charles typed this:
"...a simple, legitimate call for further investigations," you know: "just asking questions". Posted by: jummy at September 06, 2009 01:14 PM (Iz2IZ) 271
Jeff, you wrote, 'When we resort to calling Obama a racist or socialist, whether he is or isn't, it demeans the conservative cause.'
I don't (and really can't) know if President Obama is a racist. I can, however, know he is a socialist--and he is. The man campaigned as a left-of-center moderate, after all, not as a hardcore, old school Marxist, so I am at a loss to understand how it would somehow demean the conservative cause to publicize and protest this fact--and to resist its inevitable ramifications, should it come to that. I cannot follow your logic; no one could. Posted by: troyriser at September 06, 2009 01:30 PM (cYYYp) 272
Charles "Icarus" Johnson aka selrahC is finished. He is now the Dan Rather of the internet, how ironic!
Posted by: Rodan at September 06, 2009 02:15 PM (bnWQz) 273
Ace,
For over a year at The Blogmocracy, we have been exposing selrahC as a Leftist hack. Now I feel vindicated and I love you are ripping Icarus a new one. Keep up the attacks and destroy this Fraud! Rather Gate made Charles, and now Van Jones gate destroyed him! The Irony of history! Posted by: Rodan at September 06, 2009 02:24 PM (bnWQz) 274
Just for everyone to know, Charles Johnson posted my real name and photo on his blog for everyone to see.
I will NOT rest until CJ is completely destroyed. Never. Posted by: savage at September 06, 2009 04:57 PM (3u/pA) 275
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Savage, you wrote, 'I will NOT rest until CJ is completely destroyed. Never.'
Lighten up, Francis. You were doxed. A bad thing, to be sure, but you didn't pop and disappear like a soap bubble when your name and face were revealed to a bunch of LGF readers. Besides, I tend to doubt CJ is losing any sleep worrying over your next move. You sound as if you are, though. Posted by: troyriser at September 06, 2009 07:03 PM (cYYYp) 277
Charles Johnson is a dumb toad. I would hope that at some point people will begin ignoring him so that he may fade into the obscurity to which people like him and Andrew Sullivan and Katie Curic. I'd list a blogger equivalent, but he seems to have elevated himself to a class of douche-bag unique to himself.
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