Howard Zinn: I Never, Ever Signed a Petition Claiming Bush Had Foreknowledge of 9/11; And Yet Here I Am Writing on the 911Truth.org Website That Bush Had Foreknowledge of 9/11

As Charles Johnson wisely notes: Truthers lie.

Politico is flacking for Van Jones by "reporting" that fellow Truther signatory Howard Zinn is rushing to Van "Astronaut" Jones' defense, claiming he (Zinn) was "misled" about the petition. Thus, by implication, bolstering "Astronaut" Jones' claim that he was misled.

Correction: Actually Zinn doesn't say he was "misled," not exactly. That's Charles Johnson's gloss ("lied to") on the statement. The actual staetment is thus:

I did not sign a statement suggesting that Bush had prior knowledge. I signed a statement calling for an investigation.

This can be taken two ways:

1. He's claiming an actual bait and switch, induced to sign one petition, then horrified to see his signature appended to a different one. (The Charles Johnson interpretation.)

2. He's merely disputing what the petition means. He's claiming it's just a call for investigations, not a suggestion that Bush had foreknowledge of 9/11 (or that Bush premeditated 9/11). (This is Ben Smith's belief.)

Well, either way, Charles Johnson loses. If 1 is intended, then Zinn is lying, because he had endorsed Trutherism months earlier on the 911Truth.org website itself. One does not need to be tricked into endorsing what one has already endorsed in one's own words.

If 2 is intended, Zinn isn't claiming he was mislead at all, and this helps Astronaut Jones not at all. Zinn is also lying in his revisionist characterization of the petition, because it's both a call for investigations and a strong suggestion that "Bush Knew."

In fact, it should be noted that Zinn is doing exactly what Jones is attempting to do: Having signed a petition clearly aligning himself with the craziest conspiracy theorists imaginable, he's now claiming he either didn't understand the petition or otherwise failed to pick up on its diamond-clear-and-diamond-hard insinuations.

But this is to be expected; I have it on no lesser authority than Charles Johnson that Truthers lie. Especially about being Truthers, and especially when caught in the spotlight.


...

Why the rush to credit Truther Howard Zinn and Truther Van "Astronaut" Jones as the lone truth-tellers among the lying Truther crowd?

To protect "Astronaut" Jones, of course.

But is Zinn's defense credible?

Here's Howard Zinn, endorsing Trutherism on the 911Truth.org website, praising a Truther book, in May 2004.

And yet, Charles Johnson spins, he needed to be "lied to" to induce his signing of their petition.

Whether one views the 9/11 "terrorist" attacks as blow back, a wake-up call, or an unjustified outrage, they have deeply affected the American psyche and our attitudes toward war, the future, and the world. As a historian trying to understand this phenomenon, I tend to view the government's behavior, before and after 9/11, in the context of its leaders' past actions.

Before 9/11, Bush's inner circle of neoconservative advisors proclaimed the need for a dramatic expansion of U.S. military might entailing "full spectrum dominance" over all other nations and regions (including outer space), long term petro-resource control with permanent Middle East bases, and a preemptive First Strike policy against recalcitrant states. In September 2000, however, the neocon's flagship think tank, the Project for a New America Century, warned that this "process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

After 9/11, this administration systematically nurtured the fear of further homeland attacks to justify its own assaults on constitutional rights as well as social and environmental programs that protected "the people" but fettered corporate power and control.

David Ray Griffin's book "The New Pearl Harbor Disturbing Questions About The Bush Administration and 9/11" asks "Were these tragedies simply the result of unprecedented failures and incompetence as the government maintains, or were there elements of foreknowledge and implicit welcome involved?"He attempts to answer this question, reviewing the facts, studying other possible interpretations of these facts, and observing the breakdown of the official story over time.

Griffin's status as a renowned theologian and his systematic approach to the documented evidence lend this work unique importance and authority. Although still shunned by the mainstream media, his book has already encouraged many thousands to debate the case for possible government complicity and at the very least to demand a full, transparent and truly independent public inquiry.

Democracy requires citizen vigilance, informed debate and official accountability. In that spirit, David Ray Griffin's book deserves to be widely read.

But we are to take the word of a Truther ("Truthers lie") when he covers for a fellow Truther in claiming the petition means something other than what it plainly means.

Even though he goes just as far as the Truther petition in his own words.

Skull: I'm not really thinking this warrants the skull, exactly, but this Howard Zinn claim is getting such media traction from those who want to believe that I thought I would highlight the fact that it's, you know, a lie and everything.

Truthers lie.*


* As Charles Johnson sagely observed.

By the Way: Zinn's endorsement of Trutherism was posted May 2004, three months before the September 2004 petition he claims he was "misled" into signing.

Sent: Ben Smith is not a bad guy, really. At least he's not dismissive or condescending.

But he did break this supposed story of Zinn now claiming he was "misled."

Well, I sent him Zinn pushing Trutherism on the organization's own website, three months before what I will term The Great Misleading.

So we'll see if this makes it onto the Politico.

It Did: Sorta. Weakly.

Zinn claims that Ben Smith misrepresented the petition he signed... though we can all see what it said, and it's not what Zinn claims:

Zinn sent me a curt email in response to a question of whether hed intended to suggest Bushs complicity in the attacks: I did not sign a statement suggesting that Bush had prior knowledge. I signed a statement calling for an investigation.

So he is claiming, by implication, that the petition he signed is not, in fact, the petition as published. The petition he signed "merely" called for an investigation (question: Into what, precisely?), and he knows nothing about this petition suggesting bush had foreknowledge of the attack, or planned it.

But that doesn't square with the facts. Zinn was a booster of all things Truther and he hardly needed to be so duped into endorsing a petition that substantially recapitualted what he had written by his own hand.

Remember: Truthers lie. 1

FOOTNOTE 1: See Johnson, Charles, "Towards a Hermeneutic Exploration of the Relative Truth-Telling Tendencies of Truthers," pg. 357-359 et seq., Harvard University Press, 2009.

Note: I'm leaving that last part up, though I've recast the dispute above, in the "Correction" section. There are two ways to take Zinn's statement; one helps Jones but is plainly a lie; the other doesn't help Jones and is also plainly a lie.

Either way, it's a lie, and Jones is not helped.


Posted by: Ace at 03:19 PM



Comments

1 "Hello" he lied.

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 03:21 PM (Haq+B)

2 Howard Zinn can suck it.

Posted by: tsj017 at September 04, 2009 03:23 PM (4YUWF)

3 But, the Birthers are wingnutz !!11!!

Posted by: My Huffy 10 speed rulez! at September 04, 2009 03:24 PM (J7/Ud)

4 Ouch. That's gotta hurt, Charles.
LOL!

Posted by: HiHo at September 04, 2009 03:24 PM (5V/kc)

5 Now we bring Zinn on to the table? Strawman!

I ban you, so bye now!

Posted by: uosuɥoɾ sǝlɹɐɥɔ at September 04, 2009 03:25 PM (nfV8k)

6 Howard Zinn just makes shit up?

Posted by: huerfano at September 04, 2009 03:25 PM (knHvu)

7 You should read Zinn's book. It'll blow your mind.

Matt Damon!

Posted by: Matt Damon at September 04, 2009 03:26 PM (btril)

8 it's turning into I, Mudd

Posted by: Norman at September 04, 2009 03:27 PM (k7SeR)

9 Why the fuck am I supposed to care about the opinion of some guy who has done shit in half a decade?

Posted by: Tom in Korea at September 04, 2009 03:28 PM (9H4sW)

10 I never lied, not even once (finger wag).

Posted by: Bill Clinton at September 04, 2009 03:28 PM (hczCr)

11 Truthers lie. Especially about being Truthers.

Posted by: Mtenloch at September 04, 2009 03:29 PM (+bl0R)

12 Griffin's status as a renowned theologian

What's theology have to do with analysis of terrorism? It's almost as preposterous as a linguist passing himself off as a historian.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 04, 2009 03:29 PM (btril)

13 I readZinn's "People's History of the USA". It was the final nail in the coffin of leftism (for me). What a dour, negative, miserable piece of trash. And the book sucked, too!

Posted by: Luca Brasi at September 04, 2009 03:30 PM (YmPwQ)

14 Sort of fun watching this unravel. The real question is how much did Obama know about this guy and when did he know it. Hotair is linking this great summary.

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at September 04, 2009 03:31 PM (b8Pqn)

15 Shocked, shocked etc.

Posted by: your winnings, sir at September 04, 2009 03:32 PM (PD1tk)

16 I went to BU undergrad. Zinn was a God, though I was never sure why. At the time I hated the school's President, John Silber. I graduated in 1985.

I feel betrayed by the lies of college. What was Down is now up, and what was Up is now down. Unbelievable.

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at September 04, 2009 03:33 PM (NPtVh)

17 Astronaut Jones,
I got an Astronaut Jones
Astronaut Jones
Woo-ooh baby oh

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 04, 2009 03:33 PM (w41GQ)

18 Great quote from the above article I linked.

Jones, almost by the hour, is being belatedly vetted by the New
Media because the Old Media took a pass -- and the White House
itself had no intention of speaking up until called upon.

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at September 04, 2009 03:33 PM (b8Pqn)

19 not skull worthy
not one msm net picking up the van jones story...skull worthy.
now its time for my friday night freeball...its fantastic!!

Posted by: dananjcon at September 04, 2009 03:34 PM (1B81L)

20 A) Truthers Lie
B) Van Jones is denying he is a Truther
See A.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 04, 2009 03:34 PM (wWwJR)

21 Here's Howard Zinn, endorsing Trutherism on the 911Truth.org website, praising a Truther book, in May 2004.

But it's on the 9/11 Truth.org website, so that is not credible. Right?

Posted by: Otis Myman at September 04, 2009 03:34 PM (mka2b)

22 SKULL!

Posted by: vai2112 at September 04, 2009 03:35 PM (pkOAj)

23 Joe lies when he cries...

Posted by: Lame 80's movie starring John Cusak at September 04, 2009 03:37 PM (J7/Ud)

24
>>>It's almost as preposterous as a linguist passing himself off as a historian.

The hell you say!

Posted by: Noam Chomsky at September 04, 2009 03:37 PM (jVldi)

25 Obama: Please do not fire Van Jones. He is a trusted confident and ally. You can no more fire him than you can....get your chickens home to roost.

Wait...

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at September 04, 2009 03:37 PM (NPtVh)

26 en fuego

Posted by: that guy that whispers en fuego at September 04, 2009 03:37 PM (PD1tk)

27
Skull, you magnificent flaming bastard!

Posted by: Fish at September 04, 2009 03:38 PM (FnA4R)

28 Defending Van Jones with Howard Zinn? Wow. Hitler might as well have said "Genghis Khan did it tooooooo".

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 03:38 PM (T0NGe)

29 And this POS Truther Zinn's book is now a standard text on American history.
WASF.
Zinn should have been strangled in the cradle.

Posted by: the real joe at September 04, 2009 03:38 PM (gue3j)

30 fellow Truther signatory Howard Zinn
And fellow Communist as well.

Posted by: flenser at September 04, 2009 03:39 PM (EFI0J)

31 Why the fuck am I supposed to care about the nutty opinions of Random Obama Czar #26, rather than the nutty opinions of Random Obama Czar #27?

Posted by: Tom in Korea at September 04, 2009 03:39 PM (9H4sW)

32 Van Jones is clearly....




(wait for it)



... A KARL ROVE PLANT!



Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 03:41 PM (Haq+B)

33 Charles Johnson has lost his mind. When you start believing your own bull shit (or the bullshit of your sycophantic brown-nosers that you are so insecure that you need to surround yourself with) to this degree you are officially divorced from reality.

"Truthers lie"? Sure. Looking at the hysterical vitriol he has dumped on his former friends and you can see that he lies as well.

Posted by: Hidden Imam at September 04, 2009 03:41 PM (z/8AK)

34 Let's not push too hard. After all, it's not like Obama is going to put anyone better in that position.

Whereas getting to beat up the Democrats for the next 3 years because Obama has a Truther as one of his Czars is, quite simply, priceless.

:-)

Posted by: Greg Q at September 04, 2009 03:42 PM (V2d/p)

35 Anyone remember "The Twilight Zone"?

Do do do do,
Do do do do.

These intellectual giants can't see the absurdity of any of their actions.

"Look! Over there. The alien that held the ray gun to my head!"

...

"Oh, you just missed him!"

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 04, 2009 03:43 PM (/+GDy)

36 I would liken Charles to Buchanan. Afterall, Buchanan claims that Hitler never was interested in invading Poland or taking on the world!

Posted by: Kaitian at September 04, 2009 03:45 PM (bkOJN)

37 I work for San Francisco government. Lots of people in my department know Van Jones; in fact he was here in my building more than once.
I had heard about his "civil rights" work, and when I did a little research I found out about Colors of Change. Visit their website and you'll see support of every looney-tunes leftard "cause" out there. It's a blatantly racist organization. I saw that he was a "copwatch" supporter, a "free-Mumia" supporter, etc etc etc.
Valerie Jarrett watched him in Oakland and she goddam well knew everything about him before they hired him.
THAT is the story. It's not his "troofer" crap. It's the fact that he is an avowed communist, an openly anti-white racist AND YET WAS HIRED BY THE ADMINISTRATION.

Posted by: Scott at September 04, 2009 03:45 PM (lz01W)

38

F Howard Zinn with a dead horse's head.

Anti-American piece of Harvard.

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller, DO at September 04, 2009 03:45 PM (oMVdc)

39 Someone please ask Joe Biden to comment on Van Jones!

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at September 04, 2009 03:46 PM (b8Pqn)

40 37 - Yeah. I can see that.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 04, 2009 03:47 PM (/+GDy)

41 Someone please ask Joe Biden to comment on Van Jones!

I think rahm already has him tied up in the basement with duct tape over his mouth.

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 03:47 PM (Haq+B)

42 There goes another one of Johnsons strawmen... up in flames.

Posted by: SideSaddleJohnson. at September 04, 2009 03:48 PM (HgfJZ)

43 You just don't get it, do you Ace?

Bush and Cheney pulled off 9-11 in order to discredit Van Jones when he later became Obama's "Green Energy Czar".

Why?

Why do you think? OIL!

It is all so clear to anyone who just looks at the evidence.


Posted by: Kasper Hauser at September 04, 2009 03:48 PM (KeOQp)

44 As Captain Mal Reynolds might have grunted...

"...huh".

Posted by: goy at September 04, 2009 03:49 PM (+Gze8)

45 "Were these tragedies simply the result of unprecedented failures and incompetence as the government maintains, or were there elements of foreknowledge and implicit welcome involved?"He attempts to answer this question, reviewing the facts,
Which was exactly the question raised by the Truther petition, which called for a new probe that "attempts to answer the question, reviewing the facts."
Zinn wasn't misled. His endorsement of this Truther book, and the Truther petition, promote the exact same view.

Posted by: CJ at September 04, 2009 03:49 PM (9KqcB)

46 I'm waiting for Sharmuta's take on all this.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 04, 2009 03:49 PM (aUsM0)

47
Blog War!!!!

Posted by: Tweet, Daryl, and Daryl at September 04, 2009 03:50 PM (jVldi)

48 MSM reaction: What does Levi Johnston have to say today?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 04, 2009 03:50 PM (1Jaio)

49 Rev. Buzz,
I'd admonish you to be more respectful of horse heads.
Why not eff Prof. Zinn with Charles Johnson's head, or any other small, ineffectual, inorganic object?

Posted by: Old Dad at September 04, 2009 03:51 PM (Gn3nw)

50 Easily misled people advising our president? What could be possibly go wrong?

Either way, he is lying and knew what he signed, or he is the dumbest man on the planet, he has no business advising the president on anything.

Posted by: Sue at September 04, 2009 03:52 PM (Jol77)

51 Heads are exploding at Little Green Footballs. Soon Chaz will be lead out in a straitjacket screaming "Creationists, birthers, Ron Paul!' By the way Chaz is boffing iceweasel.

Posted by: Hugh G. Rection at September 04, 2009 03:53 PM (rRNqo)

52 Just something to consider, Johnson still maintains that Obama didn't bow to abduallah the saudi king. Snigger.

Posted by: SideSaddleJohnson. at September 04, 2009 03:53 PM (HgfJZ)

53 When do we get a flaming LGF? I want to see burning little green footballs!!!11eleventy!!1

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 04, 2009 03:54 PM (0q2P7)

54 Howard Zinn is just another radical commie asshole. I am surprised that Il Douche hasnt brought him into the WH as a History Czar.

I made the mistake of checking his history book out of the library after I read a portion of the back flap.

When I got home and read the first chapter in which every ill the universe was laid to rest on the U.S.A. before it became the U.S.A. I had a huge WTF moment. I shot forward and skimmed a few more chapters and it was more of the same.

Went to internet and found that like Jones, he was an avowed communist. These people are incapable of doing anything but lying.

Personally I think we need a new Tailgunner Joe, except that we will make him the commie Czar. He will be responsible for rounding up all these crazy subversive SOBs and shipping them to Cuba so they can commune with their buddy Fidel in their workers paradise.

Posted by: Vic at September 04, 2009 03:54 PM (CDUiN)

55 w lover stands by her man

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 04, 2009 03:55 PM (ucxC/)

56 #21 Otis:
The 9/11 Truth website may not be truthful about their facts about 9/11, but they better be truthful with their endorsements. There are legal penalties for saying 'so-and-so endorses this'. Famous - even semi-famous - people get all shirty when someone claims that there is an endorsement when there is not.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at September 04, 2009 03:58 PM (TUWci)

57 537 Charles
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re: #534 akalivas

I'm stating a fact. I'm not implying anything. The hate mail I'm getting on this issue is radically more abusive than the mail I've received from upset lefties.

No, I don't believe "conservatives are worse." There are thousands of examples on this blog of bad behavior from leftists.

However, right now I see a whole lot of conservative blogs and commentators who have gone completely off the rails. I can't sign on to this crap. It makes me slightly ill to see it.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 04, 2009 03:58 PM (ucxC/)

58 WHOSE WITH ME! Who else's day would be just so much brighter if they saw a random little green football just burst into FLAMES?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 04, 2009 03:59 PM (0q2P7)

59 Let me just say this you misogynistic, racist wingnut little Eichmanns. I was slipped a mickey on the night these fuckers made ME sign their petition,ended up in bed with that codepink skank. I know cuz it was the same day I got my tats.Its all because you and Bushitler are afraid of a black man being in the White House.Deal honky mo'fo's!

Posted by: Janeane Garafalo at September 04, 2009 03:59 PM (6aX9y)

60 541 Sharmuta
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The hate mail is still pouring in, and now that Ace has outright lied about my position, they're starting to echo his stupid claim that this is a "Dan Rather moment."

None of these people seem to care or even acknowledge that I've stated clearly I do NOT support Van Jones.

They're just raging at me because I won't jump into the fever swamp with them.

It's the new tactic of the right-wing bloggers- to make something up and distort rather than base criticisms on facts and truth.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 04, 2009 04:01 PM (ucxC/)

61 Posted by: Janeane Garafalo at September 04, 2009 03:59 PM (6aX9y)

Sing it sister! Matt D-A-M-O-N M-A-T-T D-A-M-O-N Eleventy!

Posted by: I'm Matt Damon at September 04, 2009 04:02 PM (dSDdV)

62 46
I'm waiting for Sharmuta's take on all this.
She is waiting for directions from Chaz.

Posted by: Hugh G. Rection at September 04, 2009 04:02 PM (rRNqo)

63

THAT is the story. It's not his "troofer" crap. It's the fact that
he is an avowed communist, an openly anti-white racist AND YET WAS
HIRED BY THE ADMINISTRATION.

Let's be blunt -- that someone is an anti-white racist is the highest recommendation in Obama's book.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at September 04, 2009 04:03 PM (IuKAf)

64 So who is worse, the sh1tball commie racist piece of trash nutcase, or the guy who hires him knowing full well what he believes?

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 04:04 PM (Haq+B)

65 The 9/11 Truth website may not be truthful about their facts about
9/11, but they better be truthful with their endorsements. There are
legal penalties for saying 'so-and-so endorses this'. Famous - even
semi-famous - people get all shirty when someone claims that there is
an endorsement when there is not.

Hence the story, "I wuz hoodwinked!" They can't claim they didn't sign it without getting their commie buddies in trouble, so they say they didn't know what they were signing.

You know what I need to do, I need to sell a bridge to Mr. Zinn. Here, buddy. Sign on the line. Trust me.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:04 PM (T0NGe)

66 I fumbled the ball

Posted by: CJ the Impaler at September 04, 2009 04:05 PM (+sBB4)

67 Ace,

if your going to have a Filipina babe at the top of your page, shouldn't be Michelle Malkin?

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at September 04, 2009 04:06 PM (b8Pqn)

68 52
Just something to consider, Johnson still maintains that Obama didn't bow to abduallah the saudi king. Snigger.

Wasn't it pathetic back in the Spring when he kept claiming that Bush did not bow?

Posted by: Hugh G. Rection at September 04, 2009 04:06 PM (rRNqo)

69 I've stated clearly I do NOT support Van Jones.-- CJ

Gee, whenever Obama says things like "I've stated clearly" the next words out of his mouth are a change in position.

CJ is really tossing out the strawmen, isn't he. "Some" are going off the rails. Ace is lying about his position -- whatever it is at the moment, it's hard to tell, he isn't going into details.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:07 PM (T0NGe)

70 Howie Z also wants to know Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep SuckingHis C*ck ?

Posted by: Bruce Heffernan at September 04, 2009 04:08 PM (k7SeR)

71 Who's Charles Johnson? The only one I know with that name is some asshole that rides bikes and takes fag pictures. Has a website, too. Or so I've heard.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 04, 2009 04:08 PM (P33XN)

72 Democracy requires citizen vigilance, informed debate and official accountability. In that spirit, Peter David Ray Griffin's book deserves to be widely read.

FIFY

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at September 04, 2009 04:10 PM (iYbLN)

73 Not only has LGF jumped the shark, but like Fonzie, CJ cannot bring himself to admit he was wr...

wro...

wr..wr...

wron..........

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:11 PM (T0NGe)

74 Well, one thing about Howie Zinn. He knows all about lying. His entire "career" has been based on lying.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 04, 2009 04:12 PM (P33XN)

75 Let's step back and look at the big picture.
The czars haven't needed Congressional approval. This is the result.
Michelle Malkin has started investigating some of the others. Wonder what else is out there.
And how about the 22 people on Michelle Obama's staff?

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 04, 2009 04:13 PM (X6Zdh)

76 "As Charles Johnson sagely "

Sorry, that caused an anurism all by itself.

Posted by: James at September 04, 2009 04:14 PM (2B3NC)

77 Aren't normal adults supposed to read and understand documents they sign their names to?

Posted by: InCali at September 04, 2009 04:14 PM (u1OeY)

78 But..but....YOU HATE WIMMIN! EVERYBODY HERE HATES WIMMEN!

Posted by: Sharmuta at September 04, 2009 04:15 PM (5V/kc)

79 That footnote makes me fondly remember "Stuff Jefferson Said." Whatever happened to that?

Posted by: Gov98 at September 04, 2009 04:15 PM (idvuq)

80 Who cares enough about CJ to send him hate mail? He is one BJ away from Andi, AFAIAC.

Posted by: the real joe at September 04, 2009 04:16 PM (gue3j)

81 Since Van is all Oakland, wonder if he hung or was involved with those nice folks at Your Muslim Bakery?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 04, 2009 04:17 PM (8x3SC)

82 The real story here -- about Zinn, about Obama, about all liberals -- is that they have to lie about who they are and what they want.

What is the public option? A Trojan horse.

Obama ran as a moderate and guess what?

It happens almost every time and voters just don't get it. They think that "politicians lie" but right-wingers really don't. Whether it's Clinton or Obama or some governor, they end up finding out that -- shazam! -- that's not what they voted for.

The whole socialist enterprise is fooling people into granting them power.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:17 PM (T0NGe)

83 Weakly? You got a directly link from the Politico article.

Posted by: DaveS at September 04, 2009 04:18 PM (MTypB)

84 13 I readZinn's "People's History of the USA". It was the final nail in the coffin of leftism (for me). What a dour, negative, miserable piece of trash. And the book sucked, too!
"Trash" doesn't even begin to properly describe how poor that book is in terms of being a quality history. Zinn is the master of the fallacy of the lonely fact--whenever the historical evidence overwhelmingly does not agree with the narrative he's trying to produce,Zinn will cherry-pick the one piece that supports his narrative and generalize that one piece as what actually happened or what the majority population actually thought. As communist agitprop, it's fantastic, but as history his work is worthless.
Having read other works of his, what really stands out is the impression he gives that he desires a government which provides for every citizen's earthly need, yet stays completely out of their business. Only a radical lefty would fail to see the inherent contradiction in such a philosophy.
In short, he's a liar, as this Truther episode confirms, but it's infected his "history" for years and is part of his general commie M.O.

Posted by: A Lock of Che Guevara's Chest Hair at September 04, 2009 04:18 PM (/Pw+r)

85 80
Who cares enough about CJ to send him hate mail?

I think he keeps hitting "Reply to All" and is in a perpetual feedback loop.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:18 PM (T0NGe)

86 avowed communist, as lame as others might deem it, is the greater thing in my mind.
maybe theywill allowhim to fall because of trooferness, and not be KNOWN as other.
so the regular none poltical voters don't realize what's going on.

Posted by: gah-d at September 04, 2009 04:20 PM (GkYyh)

87 >>>Weakly? You got a directly link from the Politico article

but not for the proposition I urge, which is that Zinn's spin, if that's what it is, is a lie.

Smith and I are debating what exactly Zinn meant. Smith thinks he was just running away from the petition, insisting he "merely" signed something that called for investigations, and not actually attempting to suggest he was misled at all. (Which is Charles Johnson's interpretation of the remarks, and is sort of mine, though now I'm not sure.)

Posted by: ace at September 04, 2009 04:21 PM (TkYWo)

88 But Matt Damon's character told Robin Williams to read Howie's book in the film Good Will Hunting!
That's a sterling endorsement, in my opinion.

Posted by: Liberal Q. Dipshit at September 04, 2009 04:21 PM (P33XN)

89 The 9/11 Commission was established in 2002. The report was issued in June, 2004.
So what EXACTLY is it that Zinn wanted investigated since the investigation was already reaching its end when he wrote that piece in the link?
Truthers are such monumental bozos on all counts.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 04, 2009 04:21 PM (B+qrE)

90 These are all quotes from LGF by Charles.

Sorry, zombie. I'm really parting company with you on this one. I'm not
a fan of Van Jones, but if he says he's not a Truther and doesn't
subscribe to their craziness, I will absolutely believe him before I
believe the Truthers.
I've been searching all day for confirmation that Jones is a
Truther. If it was true, I was ready to join in the calls for him to
resign.
I turned up NOTHING. I found absolutely NO evidence that he's ever said anything to anyone that supports 9/11 Trutherism.
The accusation is completely bogus.

It's just amazing to me that so many lizards are putting credence in
the words of 9/11 Truthers, even after Van Jones said unequivocally
that the document with his name on it does not reflect his views.

I searched all day to find evidence that Van Jones was a 9/11
Truther. If I had found that evidence I'd be screaming louder than any
of you right now.

The evidence doesn't exist. He's not a Truther.No. You're completely misunderstanding. The apology was for other statements.
He did NOT apologize for signing the Truther document.
The Washington Times is lying.
Charles claims that he doesn't support Van Jones. For not supporting him, he sure defends the shit out of him. The part that I enjoy, one I said yesterday, for a big tent Republican he sure loves booting people from his website. The other is he doesn't understand why people are quick to legitimize the truthers as a source when he's been linking to Color of Change this past week solely because it feeds into his Beck is a loon message. He doesn't think anyone should legitimize the truthers, but he'll legitimize Color of Change?


Posted by: 2549 at September 04, 2009 04:22 PM (WYkJI)

91 Ace - I'll chip in $20 (via paypal) if you can come up w/ a .gif of a 10 Speed jumping over a pool full of sharks.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson says listen to Black Sabbath at September 04, 2009 04:22 PM (J7/Ud)

92 Charles responds:

Theres no need to lie about my position, Ace. I am not supporting Van Jones, and Ive made that extremely clear.

Posted by: TendStl at September 04, 2009 04:24 PM (4kcAZ)

93 LGF is a bit foolish on this issue, I think they forget that politicians always tailor their comments using rhetorical and semantic devices for the sake of plausible deniability.

LGF forgets that such high offices demand innocence in both behavior and appearance, the bar of innocence is higher and Jones can not pass because of it.

Posted by: Ben (the original) at September 04, 2009 04:24 PM (Zsk8k)

94 The real question is how much did Obama know about this guy and when did he know it.
No, that really doesn't matter at all. What matters is how much folks can prove Obama knew about this guy, and when he knew it. Unless you accept the idea that Obama's a useful idiot working at the behest of someone else, which I don't accept at this point.
Given that I don't accept that, it's not a question of whether he knew, but a question of whether it can be proven that he knew.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at September 04, 2009 04:24 PM (pZEar)

95 Aw! I wanted to go post a "bwahahaha @ CJ" but appearantly I haz banned by the high and mighty (and loony!) Charles Johnson.
Oh well.

Posted by: James at September 04, 2009 04:25 PM (2B3NC)

96 73 Not only has LGF jumped the shark, but like Fonzie, CJ cannot bring himself to admit he was wr...wro...wr..wr...wron..........

Dude, I Lol'ed.


Posted by: Navin R Johnson says listen to Black Sabbath at September 04, 2009 04:26 PM (J7/Ud)

97 Maybe we can have Gateway's screenshot of the petition, throbbing...
/I must be a bad person for enjoying this so much

Posted by: David Ross at September 04, 2009 04:26 PM (GwV+j)

98 Howie Z also wants to know Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep SuckingHis C*ck ?

Posted by: Bruce Heffernan at September 04, 2009 04:08 PM (k7SeR)

Hilarious. Love the onion.

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 04:27 PM (Haq+B)

99
>>>But Matt Damon's character told Robin Williams to read Howie's book in the film Good Will Hunting!

wow talk about a movie with a very short half-life. Good Will Hunting sucks today.

On the other hand, Jerry Maguire is holding up fairly well.

Posted by: Tweet, Daryl, and Daryl at September 04, 2009 04:27 PM (jVldi)

100 90 These are all quotes from LGF by Charles.Sorry, zombie. I'm really parting company with you on this one. I'm not a fan of Van Jones, but if he says he's not a Truther and doesn't subscribe to their craziness, I will absolutely believe him before I believe the Truthers.
I've been searching all day for confirmation that Jones is a Truther. If it was true, I was ready to join in the calls for him to resign.
I turned up NOTHING. I found absolutely NO evidence that he's ever said anything to anyone that supports 9/11 Trutherism.
The accusation is completely bogus.
It's just amazing to me that so many lizards are putting credence in the words of 9/11 Truthers, even after Van Jones said unequivocally that the document with his name on it does not reflect his views.
I searched all day to find evidence that Van Jones was a 9/11 Truther. If I had found that evidence I'd be screaming louder than any of you right now.
The evidence doesn't exist. He's not a Truther.
No. You're completely misunderstanding. The apology was for other statements.
He did NOT apologize for signing the Truther document.The Washington Times is lying.

Any chance we can get these quotes in a 'throbbing' font?

Posted by: Navin R Johnson says listen to Black Sabbath at September 04, 2009 04:28 PM (J7/Ud)

101 Go Sharmuta!!

Sharmuta:


re: #516 Charles


The hate mail is still pouring in, and now that Ace has outright
lied about my position, they're starting to echo his stupid claim that
this is a "Dan Rather moment."

None of these people seem to care or even acknowledge that I've stated clearly I do NOT support Van Jones.

They're just raging at me because I won't jump into the fever swamp with them.

It's the new tactic of the right-wing bloggers- to make something up and distort rather than base criticisms on facts and truth.

Posted by: TendStl at September 04, 2009 04:28 PM (4kcAZ)

102 he jumped the shark but i'm waiting for the malachi crunch.

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 04, 2009 04:28 PM (ucxC/)

103 "Trash" doesn't even begin to properly describe how poor that book is in terms of being a quality history. Zinn is the master of the fallacy of the lonely fact--whenever the historical evidence overwhelmingly does not agree with the narrative he's trying to produce,Zinn will cherry-pick the one piece that supports his narrative and generalize that one piece as what actually happened or what the majority population actually thought. As communist agitprop, it's fantastic, but as history his work is worthless...
...In short, he's a liar, as this Truther episode confirms, but it's infected his "history" for years and is part of his general commie M.O.
Posted by: A Lock of Che Guevara's Chest Hair at September 04, 2009 04:18 PM (/Pw+r)
The best explanation I ever heard about Zinn's work was by Dennis Prager who said Zinn's view of America waslike asking a proctologist about the health of the body. Of course the proctologist has a certina..limited view.
The outrage is that Zinn's work is endorsed by Academia. No wonder we are so f**ked.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 04, 2009 04:29 PM (v/rEn)

104 The Obama admin. is packed to the rafters with these nuts. Image all of their staff and assistants.....all grade A, certified, Marxists....

Posted by: John at September 04, 2009 04:29 PM (6FYZ6)

105 Dude, I Lol'ed.
Posted by: Navin R Johnson says listen to Black Sabbath at September 04, 2009 04:26 PM (J7/Ud)
We aims to please.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:30 PM (T0NGe)

106 Do you like apples? ....... How do ya like them apples?

Pure genious.

Posted by: Eleven at September 04, 2009 04:30 PM (OGbpf)

107 It's the new tactic of the right-wing bloggers- to make something up and distort rather than base criticisms on facts and truth.
Projection is not just a process used in movie theaters.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 04, 2009 04:31 PM (B+qrE)

108 still discouraged about Zombie being thrown under this bus, I mean seriously,.

Posted by: gah-d at September 04, 2009 04:31 PM (GkYyh)

109
It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.

It's not your fault.


(give me a fucking break)

Posted by: Tweet, Daryl, and Daryl at September 04, 2009 04:31 PM (jVldi)

110 The outrage is that Zinn's work is endorsed by Academia. No wonder we are so f**ked.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 04, 2009 04:29 PM (v/rEn)
That's why I say Kill the Humanities. Yes, you might throw the baby out with the bathwater, but it's already drowned.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:32 PM (T0NGe)

111 13 I read Zinn's "People's History of the USA". It was the final nail in the coffin of leftism (for me). What a dour, negative, miserable piece of trash. And the book sucked, too!

I had to head to head with my son's looney toon leftist commie teacher who decided to throw out the textbook and start teaching and testing on wacko Howard Zinn...you know the way to get a teacher to toe the line real quick? Don't even bother with the School District, tell them you're going after their credential!! Credential board is how to after bad teachers who have life tenure in 2 days.

and ask the teacher if they think not teaching from the mandated textbook and teaching and testing from their pet retard library will pass muster at the credential board?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 04, 2009 04:33 PM (8x3SC)

112 I get this very rewarding image of Charles bent over with his ponytail stuck up Van Jones' ass as Van walks out of the auditorium - a hobbling, girly-screaching Charles Johnson stopped over, trailing from behind.
Charles rebukes Glenn Beck and Beck earns his biggest audience.
Charles defends Van Jones and the guy will soon be fired.
It's the curse of johnson.

Posted by: JDW at September 04, 2009 04:33 PM (uw+0A)

113 Has anybody noticed that we aren't talking about the 9.7% unemployment rate?

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:34 PM (T0NGe)

114 stooped

Posted by: JDW at September 04, 2009 04:34 PM (uw+0A)

115 That's why I say Kill the Humanities.

But where would liberals go to develop their arrogance and smug sense of superiority?! Please, think of the LUGs metrosexuals, won't you?

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 04:34 PM (Haq+B)

116 Applesauce, bitch.

Posted by: David Ross at September 04, 2009 04:35 PM (GwV+j)

117 Has anybody noticed that we aren't talking about the 9.7% unemployment rate?

Dude, we hashed that out before lunch.

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 04:35 PM (Haq+B)

118 Charles twisted himself into so many knots defending Van Jones that he will need a chiropractor to pull his head back out of his ass.

Posted by: HarryV at September 04, 2009 04:35 PM (0Qs+O)

119 Glenn Thrush @ Politico

Rep. Mike Pence, the no. 3 Republican in the House, is calling on Obama green jobs czar Van Jones to resign.

The gem is in Pence squaring Congress off with administrative czars upon Constitution principle. Worth supporting Congressional oversight of high ranking presidential appointments. If administrations are going to invent their own bureaucracy beyond the traditional Cabinet, particularly ABOVE Cabinet positions, that doesn't prevent/avoid Congressional oversight.

Posted by: maverick muse at September 04, 2009 04:35 PM (F1b/5)

120 Just because I'm making myself look like a retarded, delusional, ntellectually dishonest a**hole by defending Van Jones, that doesn't mean I support him. Why can't you people understand that?

Posted by: Charles (Don't call me Chucky!) Johnson at September 04, 2009 04:36 PM (XOuYz)

121 Malkin is mentioning demands from pols for Congressional hearings about the guy.
Van Jones is about toget hit with the Obamaban stick.
http://tinyurl.com/ljdm5b

Posted by: JDW at September 04, 2009 04:37 PM (uw+0A)

122 Areal question.. Has the President thrown any of his weird picks under the Bus since he's been President?I know during elections he did but after?

Posted by: gah-d at September 04, 2009 04:37 PM (GkYyh)

123
Anti-lawyerDude is right, we're being distracted from the 26-year high unemployment rate.

geoff makes this observation, too: funny how when it went down a tenth of a percent it was boom times again. But now that it went up three tenths of a percent it's insignificant...merely an anomaly...just a byproduct of people in transition.

Posted by: Tweet, Daryl, and Daryl at September 04, 2009 04:37 PM (jVldi)

124 It doesn't pay to do end-runs around Congress for Cabinet posts. Trust me on this one.

Posted by: President Andrew Johnson at September 04, 2009 04:37 PM (GwV+j)

125 Ajanitor that can solve advanced grad-school math problems. Good grief.
And of course it would require someone of that level of genious to appreciate that all the history books are lying to us save one.
Zinn probably strokes his Vienna sausage watching that silly movie.

Posted by: Eleven at September 04, 2009 04:37 PM (OGbpf)

126 Is Ace pulling that reference book out of Charlie's hermeneutic @ss?

Posted by: maverick muse at September 04, 2009 04:38 PM (F1b/5)

127
Look, morons, if Tim Geithner didn't get heave-ho, there is no way Van Jones, a bro and a fellow Alinsky-Ayers acolyte, is getting shit-canned.

Posted by: Tweet, Daryl, and Daryl at September 04, 2009 04:39 PM (jVldi)

128 At least Van Jones doesn't believe in punctuated equilibrium.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 04, 2009 04:40 PM (aUsM0)

129 The gem is in Pence squaring Congress off with administrative czars upon Constitution principle. Worth supporting Congressional oversight of high ranking presidential appointments. If administrations are going to invent their own bureaucracy beyond the traditional Cabinet, particularly ABOVE Cabinet positions, that doesn't prevent/avoid Congressional oversight.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 04, 2009 04:35 PM (F1b/5)
yeah..but it was Bush that was shredding the Constitution...dontcha remember?
*sarcasm as big as China*

Posted by: LGoPs at September 04, 2009 04:41 PM (v/rEn)

130 Jeebus, is there room under the Obama bus for Van Jones? It's pretty crowded under there. In fact, it's starting to look like Midian from Nightbreed under that fucking thing.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 04, 2009 04:41 PM (P33XN)

131 Drudge headlines Obama stands by his man. Meanwhile, another article says Obama's playing absent, giving over the Potus reins of authority to Biden until Obama shows his face for Congress speech.

It ain't gonna be pretty. Not one bit.

Posted by: maverick muse at September 04, 2009 04:41 PM (F1b/5)

132 123 Areal question.. Has the President thrown any of his weird picks under the Bus since he's been President?I know during elections he did but after?
Posted by: gah-d at September 04, 2009 04:37 PM (GkYyh)
remember DHS, we all thought , napolitano would go? i mean damn, she said half the country added up are possible terrorists. and she is still there.

Posted by: gah-d at September 04, 2009 04:41 PM (GkYyh)

133 So Charles might be defending a Truther, who might be lying, against allegations that he's a Truther, because all Truthers lie.
Ouch. I feel like I'm in one of those time travel conundrums.

Posted by: TakeFive at September 04, 2009 04:42 PM (/3pxq)

134 Listen to mother.

Posted by: The Bell Curve at September 04, 2009 04:42 PM (aUsM0)

135 54 Howard Zinn is just another radical commie asshole. I am surprised that Il Douche hasnt brought him into the WH as a History Czar.

I made the mistake of checking his history book out of the library after I read a portion of the back flap.

When I got home and read the first chapter in which every ill the universe was laid to rest on the U.S.A. before it became the U.S.A. I had a huge WTF moment. I shot forward and skimmed a few more chapters and it was more of the same.

Went to internet and found that like Jones, he was an avowed communist. These people are incapable of doing anything but lying.

Posted by: Vic at September 04, 2009 03:54 PM

Wasn't Zinn's A People's History of the United States referenced by Matt Damon's Will Hunting character in Good Will Hunting when he was in therapy? He looks at Robin Williams' character's books and tells him he's reading the wrong books. Then goes on to tell him that he needs to read Zinn's book. Williams' character asks if Chomsky's books are the right books to read too.

http://tinyurl.com/l75989

Zinn has discussed politics with Pearl Jams Eddie Vedder and was on Rage Against the Machines reading list (note: beware of rock bands that issue reading lists). In Good Will Hunting, Matt Damons Will Hunting tells his psychiatrist that A Peoples History of the United States will knock you on your ass. Damon and co-star Ben Affleck, who grew up near Zinn outside of Harvard Square, are said to be producing a miniseries based on their neighbors magnum opus. Zinn repaid the actors youthful infatuation by including them in an inconsequential paragraph in the books new edition.

Posted by: Michael in MI at September 04, 2009 04:43 PM (ObTcs)

136 I'm just pissed I accidentally gave LGF 2 clicks today, thanks to Tweets. UGH.

Posted by: sybilll at September 04, 2009 04:43 PM (12GLM)

137 I'd like to see Charles apologize to Zombie for his remarks last night. Zombie's done so much in exposing the looniness of the left, yet CJ felt compelled to imply he/she wasn't a reliable source. Not to mention, CJ allowed his posters to freely attack Zombie afterwards.

Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at September 04, 2009 04:44 PM (uHvsp)

138 He wished he had a watermelon, and then he named one as his Green Czar.
Unicorns all around!

Posted by: TexasJew at September 04, 2009 04:45 PM (aUsM0)

139 Kinda felt bad for Zombie.

Posted by: Dc at September 04, 2009 04:46 PM (+T13U)

140 Dude, we hashed that out before lunch.

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 04:35 PM (Haq+B)
I know this blog does more before...um...10:30ish than most blogs do all day, but that horse isn't dead. Gotta keep beating on it.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:47 PM (T0NGe)

141 Kinda felt bad for Zombie.
Yeah, it was hard to read, given all the good that Zombie's done over the years

Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at September 04, 2009 04:48 PM (uHvsp)

142 LGF is going to be nothing but a version of DailyKos. Leftist are being recruited for the site and Iceweasel is the leftist in charge now. Let them go but I wish news outlets would stop calling Little Green Footballs a conservative site.

Posted by: cantmakememicrowave at September 04, 2009 04:49 PM (Cvleh)

143 I'm one of the many, many former LGF reader. It's a worthless fucking site dedicated to posts on creationism, euro-fascism, and his wretched pictures of plants with raindrops on them. Throw in the occassional video of some musician, which is essentially Chucky braggingover the fact that he knows about musicians no one cares about, or at least finds their videos.

Posted by: The Oort Cloud at September 04, 2009 04:49 PM (kYxFR)

144 "abor Day Weekend is the sort of time when staffers "resign" to avoid being "distractions," so the White House will likely decide today or tomorrow whether ties to the Truth movement, the Birther movement of the '90s, are fatal."

Ben Smith isn;t a douche ace? He made two errors as i see it. First of all he called the Truther movement the birther movement of the 1990s. First of all last i checked truthers didn't claim the events of 9/11/2001 were lies in the 1990s. I mean i am not a calender or anything.
Also the second mistake, or moment of honesty, is that Smith would equate people who want to see a birth certificate with people who think this government killed 3000 of its own people so it could get into wars in the middle east which have cost use 6000+ soldiers.

Posted by: Ben at September 04, 2009 04:49 PM (wuv1c)

145 What happened to Zombie?

Posted by: kjc at September 04, 2009 04:50 PM (HSJkR)

146 138
I looked at a list of almost 1000 banned lgf posters last night (I was on that list, as westtexasjew, I'm proud to say).
Every single decent poster from 3-4 years ago was on it, including some of our very bestest morons!
The uselessresidue that is left aresome shit-for-brains slugs, tapewormsandsuckerfishthat couldn't hack it back then.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 04, 2009 04:50 PM (aUsM0)

147
Yeah, these fucking retards on the left are the "smart" ones. They don't read a petition before they sign it. They don't read a piece of legislation before they vote for it. They don't read a bill before they endorse it...

Posted by: Dang at September 04, 2009 04:51 PM (6L3mJ)

148 Beck: 2
GOP: 0

Posted by: Johnathan E. at September 04, 2009 04:51 PM (dQdrY)

149 water boarding, sleep depravation, second hand smoke, eaves dropping, blah blah, blahis completely out of bounds and unconstitutional people need to be prosecuted but creating a subversive shadow government is just peachy!

Its now time for my weekly Saratoga slime slide...its magnificent!

Posted by: dananjcon at September 04, 2009 04:53 PM (1B81L)

150 APPLICATION FOR CZAR:
Question 10 Political affiliation: Commie -- HIRED
Question 10 Political affiliation -- Republican -- KILL THE APPLICANT ON SIGHT

Posted by: rightzilla at September 04, 2009 04:53 PM (rVJH4)

151 Also the second mistake, or moment of honesty, is that Smith would
equate people who want to see a birth certificate with people who think
this government killed 3000 of its own people so it could get into wars
in the middle east which have cost use 6000+ soldiers.

The true test of a conspiracy theory is if the only way to disprove it is to prove a negative. If you want to have a bad conspiracy theory, demand to see evidence you know to exist which might completely disprove the theory.

But, yes, Ben is so desperate to equivocate that he gets a basic timeline wrong.

Epic fail, Ben.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:54 PM (T0NGe)

152 142
Kinda felt bad for Zombie.
Yeah, it was hard to read, given all the good that Zombie's done over the years

I agree. We'll take Zombie over here anytime. She (I think Zombie's a she) does awesome work. That's the one thing I miss about not going over there anymore.
Oh wait, we hate women here. Guess I forgot. Nevermind.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson says listen to Bad Brains at September 04, 2009 04:54 PM (J7/Ud)

153 Zombie said (s)he had photos of van Jones at a demo with lots of Truthers. said his sympathies were obvous, but that couldn't publish the photos 'cause that woud give away who (s)he was. Charles just went right on saying that there wasn't a shred of credibleevidence Jones was a truther. Zombie's testimony meant nothing. Well, there was a shred, and Zombie is credible. CJ is a loser, on that basis.

Posted by: HiHo at September 04, 2009 04:54 PM (5V/kc)

154 What happened to Zombie?
Charles basically said that Zombie wasn't a reliable source of information, and the lefty posters took that as a cue to call him/her a supporter of the far-right and (basically) a liar.
Charles hasn't said a word about Zombie, since. No apology, nothing.

Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at September 04, 2009 04:55 PM (uHvsp)

155 The uselessresidue that is left aresome shit-for-brains slugs, tapewormsandsuckerfishthat couldn't hack it back then.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 04, 2009 04:50 PM (aUsM0)
Charles is waiting for them to evolve.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 04:55 PM (T0NGe)

156 I just peeked at Zombietime dot com. No updates since 30 August but, s/he's infrequent at updating.
I'm actually hoping s/he doesn't get banned; that s/he writes Charles and pulls him back from the brink.

Posted by: David Ross at September 04, 2009 04:55 PM (GwV+j)

157 Why in the world would we want a bunch of lgf sycophants here?

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 04:55 PM (Haq+B)

158 Does anyone have a link to the list of banned LGF posters?
I heard Chucky banned the guy who used to post the weather reports. WTF? That's just fucking crazy right there.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 04, 2009 04:55 PM (P33XN)

159 As far as Zombie goes, if you swim with lizards...
Talk about throwing good intellectual money after bad! Come over to the moron pool, Zombie- we have free kegs! But you have to take a sheep-dip first.
With the agonizing 15 minute load-time of lgf - the absolute worst blog refresh time on the 'Web - you wonder what sort of a Internet-ignorantschmuck designed that site... oh, wait..

Posted by: TexasJew at September 04, 2009 04:56 PM (aUsM0)

160 right it was unconscionable.
I'd like to see Charles apologize to Zombie for his remarks last night. Zombie's done so much in exposing the looniness of the left, yet CJ felt compelled to imply he/she wasn't a reliable source. Not to mention, CJ allowed his posters to freely attack Zombie afterwards.
Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at September 04, 2009 04:44 PM (uHvsp)

Posted by: gah-d at September 04, 2009 04:56 PM (GkYyh)

161 All right. I am trying to figure out why this guy has not been asked to resign. Then I remembered how Obama would never say the surge was working. That is a fatal flaw. It is either his pride or he is in philosophical synchronicity with Jones, which is of course worse.

Obama seems to believe he was born to rule, not lead. We are moving into interesting times.

Posted by: Locus Ceruleus at September 04, 2009 04:58 PM (b8Pqn)

162 First, Johnson is a Johnson. Anyone that bans ME from their site has to be a loser, although I am concerned about American Spectator now.
Second, what do news "reporters" discuss with their co-workers? I mean, in this organization, if one doesn't pull their load, they are treated with courteous condescension; something avoided by most at all coststhrough diligent labor. What are the standards by which one is held in a news organization? Really. It is difficult to conceptualize the depths to which themetropolitan news organizations have fallen.

Posted by: iowavette at September 04, 2009 04:58 PM (0JTac)

163 158
We'll hire Ted Patrick - you know the guy who used to deprogram the Moonies. They'll have to formally renounce Xenu, though.

Posted by: TexasJew at September 04, 2009 04:59 PM (aUsM0)

164 Does anyone have a link to the list of banned LGF posters?

I heard Chucky banned the guy who used to post the weather reports. WTF? That's just fucking crazy right there.

Ed of many names showed up at Michelle's site about a year ago, IIRC.

I would also like to see the list. I mentioned something on the CJ thread last night and want to see how quick they are.

Posted by: Dennis Farina at September 04, 2009 04:59 PM (4Kl5M)

165 It pissed me off hugely how Iceweasel led a charge on Zombie, which Chuck agreed with.
Zombie has magnitudes greater cred than him.

Posted by: Who Knows at September 04, 2009 04:59 PM (7FgWm)

166 154,155...

Thanks, that is pretty sad.I haven't been there since he started using his site as a platform for bashing anything Christian.

Posted by: kjc at September 04, 2009 05:00 PM (HSJkR)

167 Banned list

Posted by: fluffy at September 04, 2009 05:02 PM (4Kl5M)

168 Pence might find some Democratic support for some institutional control on these "czars". These guys are drawing a paycheck without Congressional oversight - even the committee chairman may want to reel these guys back in while Obama is weak.


Posted by: Jean at September 04, 2009 05:02 PM (L64A6)

169 Charlie is a shrill bone headed YoMama myrmidon who is certainly defending Jones. What else do you call it? "Charlie defended Jones saying he was not a truther." How is that not defending?
Charlie is lost when he has to deal with anyone beyond his circle jerk of syncophants.

Posted by: Steve In Tulsa at September 04, 2009 05:03 PM (lv+sJ)

170 Why in the world would we want a bunch of lgf sycophants here?

I kind of agree with that. They have to be the dorks writing all the First! and Eleventy-Third! type posts all of a sudden. I hate that shit, it's moronic (and not in a good way).

I also could give a rat's ass about Charles Johnson. Dude's a no talent hack with an unreadable web site so predictable I'd be better entertained at Kos or DU. Fuck him and his former lizard acolytes who can't stop talking about lgf. If I wanted to read that shit I'd go read it there.

Posted by: Bust of Edmund Burke at September 04, 2009 05:04 PM (8/DeP)

171 64 So who is worse, the sh1tball commie racist piece of trash nutcase, or the guy who hires him knowing full well what he believes?

Posted by: Dang Straights at September 04, 2009 04:04 PM

I'd like to know when people are going to start waking up to the fact that Obama himself is a sh1tball commie racist piece of trash nutcase. The fact that he now holds the title of "President of the United States of America" does not change that fact.

And that fact goes to the heart of the matter as to why parents don't want him talking to their kids. Some are saying "it's just the President talking to kids, nothing wrong with that". Actually, there is, when that "President" is a sh1tball commie racist piece of trash nutcase, then there is a LOT wrong with that.

It is absolutely justifiable that parents would not want their kids being talked to by a man who shares the ideologies, racism and radicalism of Saul Alinsky, Billy Ayers, Rev Wright, Henry Gates, John Holdren, Eric Holder and Dr Ezekiel Emanuel, among many other radicals.

Posted by: Michael in MI at September 04, 2009 05:04 PM (ObTcs)

172 Charles basically said that Zombie wasn't a reliable source of information, and the lefty posters took that as a cue to call him/her a supporter of the far-right and (basically) a liar.
Charles hasn't said a word about Zombie, since. No apology, nothing.
Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at September 04, 2009 04:55 PM (uHvsp)
That is outrageous. Zombie, and the people like him/her are precisely what made that site what it was. It's not the gee whiz user friendly features. It's the posters, stupid. Sheesh.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 04, 2009 05:04 PM (tm/sN)

173 The lefties are aggravated. They sense Van Jones is going to be cleaning out his desk soon. If that happens, Glenn Beck wins.

Just like Sarah Palin won when the Senate decided to take the Death Panels out of the ObamaCare legislation.

They can't stand it when Palin-Beck wins.

This is why they're freaking out like their mommas just canceled their WoW accounts.

Posted by: V the K at September 04, 2009 05:04 PM (yxBaM)

174 Charles Van Johnson is the Little Green Snowjobs Czar.

Posted by: Usful Ijit at September 04, 2009 05:06 PM (L0yYZ)

175 This is why they're freaking out like their mommas just canceled their WoW accounts.

and biting off people's body parts.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 04, 2009 05:07 PM (8x3SC)

176 I'd like to know when people are going to start waking up to the fact that Obama himself is a sh1tball commie racist piece of trash nutcase. The fact that he now holds the title of "President of the United States of America" does not change that fact.
Libtards think that because he doesn't wear an I Heart Lenin button he can't be a communist.
Leftards wouldn't care if he did. As a metter of fact they'd welcome it.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 04, 2009 05:07 PM (tm/sN)

177 Looks like Chuck is trying out a new spin. See Jones and Zinn were signing something wholesome and good, like the Pledge of Allegiance.
But those crafty, lying Troofers slipped another document in the stack and Jones and Zinn were fooled! You know, just like all the democrats that were fooled into voting for Bush's war.

Posted by: TakeFive at September 04, 2009 05:08 PM (/3pxq)

178 It pissed me off hugely how Iceweasel led a charge on Zombie, which Chuck agreed with.
Iceweasel is a doctrinaire leftist, spouting the typical insults like "wingnut." Seems like he feels much more at home at LGF than he would've a few years ago. Also, it appears he has much more leeway to insult long-time posters than others on the site.

Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at September 04, 2009 05:08 PM (uHvsp)

179 "I'm actually hoping s/he doesn't get banned; that s/he writes Charles and pulls him back from the brink."
Posted by: David Ross at September 04, 2009 04:55 PM (GwV+j)
wtf?

Posted by: TexasJew at September 04, 2009 05:08 PM (aUsM0)

180 I'm curious. Did he ban Zombie?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 04, 2009 05:09 PM (8x3SC)

181 Is this gonna stick to Obama the same as Watts stuck to Reagan?

probly not

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at September 04, 2009 05:09 PM (taJZA)

182 Oooh, now Mickey Kaus is predicting that, since it's Friday evening before Labor Day, it's right about time for the MSM to pull the lid back over Jones's cave.
Dr. Jones? Adieu.

Posted by: David Ross at September 04, 2009 05:11 PM (GwV+j)

183 I'm curious. Did he ban Zombie?
Not from what I can tell. If I was Zombie, though, I wouldn't post on the site again after last night's shameful incident.

Posted by: Ignatz Mouse at September 04, 2009 05:11 PM (uHvsp)

184 I haven't been to LGF in years. My only two memories of that place are Zombies photoreconnaissance into enemy territory and Charles Jonhson's bizarre use of the word "seethes".
He must have said "seethe" at least five times a day.
Oh and "HITS BOTTOM -- DIGS".

Posted by: Eleven at September 04, 2009 05:11 PM (OGbpf)

185 175

Before the election, those of us lucid Americans (conservatives)
warned that you don't elect as Chief Executive of the United States a
man with no executive experience. Obama's persistent choices of one
unqualified, unfit nominee after another isevidence that we were
exactly right,Astronaut Jones being only the latest example. A
competent executive knows how to hire people. An incompetent one nominates aCommunist troofer, a racist, sexistjudge, a tax-cheating
treasurer, a Eugenicist science czar, asenileVP, a press secretary
who takes umbrage at people for asking him questions, etc.

Posted by: Crusty at September 04, 2009 05:06 PM (qzgbP)

Birds of a feather, flock together

Posted by: Jean at September 04, 2009 05:12 PM (L64A6)

186 17
I went to BU undergrad. Zinn was a God, though I was never sure why.
At the time I hated the school's President, John Silber. I graduated
in 1985.I feel betrayed by the lies of college. What was Down is now up, and what was Up is now down. Unbelievable.

Me too! (CLA '89). I sensed that Zinn was an asshole then, even though I was a leftard at the time. Might have had something to do with the fact that there was no work required for his class, and he was always whining about how his sabbatical time wasn't getting approved.

These days, I think Silber was much maligned, though I do think it's been creepy how he just won't retire. You're '83, doc. Let it go.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 04, 2009 05:16 PM (x+Mi6)

187 Birds of feather, thing might make a cool ad --

Little girl's voice signs the ditty
Video of dead tree against a dull sky
then crows fly in and land, one at a time
with text overs for each of the idiots in turn.

Posted by: Jean at September 04, 2009 05:17 PM (L64A6)

188 I tried to give LGF the benefit of the doubt for a very, very long time. I suppose that, as Captain Renault said about Rick, that I'm a rank sentimentalist, and it was difficult for me that LGF had become nothing more than Obama cheerleading and rants about creationism (which I don't believe in either, but then I really don't give a shit in any case). This finally nails the coffin shut. With six inch long steel bolts. Howard Zinn and Michael Learner immediately respond to defend their ideological comrade?? How shocking! That Chuckie can so readily accept these protestations, along with Jones' own, at face value makes it very clear where his sympathies lie. No curiosity, Charles? No reluctance to simply accept Van Jones' self-serving explanation? No thought that perhaps this might deserve some closer scrutiny? Just an automatic dismissal? As I recall, Dan Rather had some explanations for those Texas ANG memos - why didn't Danny boy get the benefit of the doubt?

Hell, Johnson's own response proves how ridiculous Jones' story is - that one lady (Rachel Eherfelt I think he said he name was?) went out of her way to disavow any association with that petition a long time ago. Why didn't Jones? It took him five years to realize that he was duped?

Posted by: radar at September 04, 2009 05:18 PM (vIEPT)

189 The thing is, even though Van Jones says he's a communist, I don't think he is. I think he and Obama and the rest of them are Marxist contrarions. Consider Zinn's book.

Throughout the humanities and social sciences, there is only one message: America sucks. So they proceed from that assumption and their goal in life is to change America. They don't really care what they change it into, they don't even think about the consequences of what they advocate. Until now, they've never been held accountable.

Think about Van Jones' self-professed Communism. How has it affected him? Is he asked to defend the philosophy? Is he asked about gulags? He doesn't have to be held accountable for his wacko beliefs, but being a self-professed Communist means that he doesn't have to respond rationally to anybody. By saying he's a Communist, he doesn't have to live in the real world. He doesn't have to explain how he'll make the world better because he isn't interested in the world we live in.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 04, 2009 05:18 PM (T0NGe)

190 111 ...and ask the teacher if they think not teaching from the mandated textbook and teaching and testing from their pet retard library will pass muster at the credential board?
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 04, 2009 04:33 PM (8x3SC)
Great advice, there. Thanks.

Posted by: theCork at September 04, 2009 05:19 PM (za8iP)

191 And how about the 22 people on Michelle Obama's staff?
Posted by: Mama AJ at September 04, 2009 04:13 PM (X6Zdh)
Hair dressers. IYKWIM. Shaving a wookie is full time.

Posted by: Han Solo's razor at September 04, 2009 05:20 PM (dQdrY)

192 Hello all,
Glad I started visiting this site...
I decided a couple of months ago to ween myself off Little Green Footballs... I was an avid reader there for many years, going back to the Dan Rather scandal... but over the last year or so, something has radically changed... Between attacking / belittling anyone of faith, agreement with anthropoligical global warming and the savaging of solid conservatives, like Sarah Palin, it was starting to seem more like Daily Kos than the bastion of independent thinking it used to be...
This site has filled that gap in my daily blog rotation.. keep up the good work!
Josh

Posted by: Joshua at September 04, 2009 05:21 PM (F/98t)

193 181 "wtf?"
Like some other commenters, I'msentimental.

Posted by: David Ross at September 04, 2009 05:22 PM (GwV+j)

194 Idiots. In the end you'll see that I was right,that Van Jones is a Frumian conservative, and that he never advocated the truther position. You're all banned. To my supporters I say:
Courage!

Posted by: Charles Rather at September 04, 2009 05:24 PM (za8iP)

195 But if everything Truthers say is a lie, and Van Jones isa Truther, then he cannot be telling the truth about Truthers.Illogical. Illogical. All units relate, all units. Norman Charles, coordinate.

Posted by: Alice Irish Rose series 181 at September 04, 2009 05:25 PM (IS9r6)

196 In addition....a popular theory for the LGF drones was that someone just added his name without his knowledge, because y'know those Truthers are known to add prominent people to their rolls without them knowing. Which is fine, I'm sure that can happen. Except.....

....in 2004 who the fuck was Van Jones? Some communist lawyer in Oakland who no one had ever heard of. What credence, exactly, were the Truthers aiming for by adding an unknown radical to their petition??

Posted by: radar at September 04, 2009 05:26 PM (vIEPT)

197 Wow, just checked out the LGF banned list,there are many of my old time favorites on it. I'm going to have to go over there and get myself banned.

Posted by: kjc at September 04, 2009 05:30 PM (HSJkR)

198 re #171

First!


Posted by: A moron (and not in a good way) at September 04, 2009 05:31 PM (nfV8k)

199 I had Zinn's "People's History" foisted upon me at a Northern California Junior College in 93. The Hispanic teacher was eager to point out that thesingle mostimportanttheme ofAmerican history is exploitation of the poor by whites.
Anyhow, I avoided making waves and got out with a solid grade. I wasn't going to convince this leftist, Marxist, communist, racist teacher anything different.
It took a few years being out of college and earning a living forthe liberal indoctrinationwear off.


Posted by: California Red at September 04, 2009 05:46 PM (kbjE5)

200 These lying bastards aren't worth even listening to.

Posted by: rplat at September 04, 2009 05:48 PM (G1ArL)

201 Zombie always was the best thing about lgf. Now that site is truly pitiful.

Posted by: nikkolai at September 04, 2009 05:51 PM (+Y6We)

202 you know, a p-shop with a bike faceplant would be better

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at September 04, 2009 05:55 PM (taJZA)

203 Kinda felt bad for Zombie.
Uh, don't feel all that bad. Zombie has a real hard on for ANY believer in ANY organized (or not ) religion. You should see some of the ugly shit it said on those early creationism threads.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 04, 2009 06:28 PM (cniXs)

204 I heard Chucky banned the guy who used to post the weather reports. WTF? That's just fucking crazy right there.
Yeah Ed got it. But then again I personally found his waxing rhapsodic, with GRAPHIC details, aboutchoking his chickengross. And trust me, I have a sense of humor. He got the stick right after that ifrecall correctly.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 04, 2009 06:32 PM (cniXs)

205 bebe's boobs destroy at September 04, 2009 06:32 PM (cniXs)
Thanks for explaining. I did not know that, only heard that he got banned.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 04, 2009 06:40 PM (P33XN)

206 Ace, you never fail to deliver. And yes, I a am very amused by CJ's antics over the last few days. Been worth visiting his sight just to follow the thread comments.

Posted by: Sam at September 04, 2009 06:45 PM (2RAD8)

207 As I mentioned over at LGF before my account was banned.

This Van Jones idiot is a self avowed communist and communists in this country cannot pass on such a disimformation ruse as the truther nitwits were.

Another lizard posted how that being CJ was taking the commies side then he was approving of the killing of cops, being CJ joined in on trying to get a cop killer off.
I told the guy that he was using a "wide brush" in trying to paint CJ as being of the like mind in killing cops and that I see people using a "wide brush" in trying to paint people they don't like in degrading or insulting certain people or groups on the LGF site.

CJ must have caught on that I was talking about him, where he tries to make Glenn Beck out to ne a racist and the angry town hall people out to be the conservative version of code pink.

It's a shame about how that site seems to be very much in a bipartisan mode, there are numerous Obots there now who spew their garbage and I notice a few other lizards tiring of it.

Posted by: Drider at September 04, 2009 06:48 PM (aZn+0)

208 OOP's

CJ of course didn't try and get the cop killer off.....Van Jones did.

My face just turned three shades of red over this unintended typo.

Posted by: Drider at September 04, 2009 06:51 PM (aZn+0)

209 Van Jones is a problem. Have you seen the only white kids do Columbine video?
http://tinyurl.com/mo2h7j

Posted by: mcnorman at September 04, 2009 07:03 PM (b/oZE)

210 Little Pink Footballs

Posted by: Chlorian Theoreticus at September 04, 2009 07:36 PM (2fjcW)

211 Little Pinko Footballs?

Posted by: Joe McCarthy's big dick at September 04, 2009 08:33 PM (dQdrY)

212 Charles Johnson is an unbelievable tool. He is so left-wing that he makes Huffington Post seem sane. He should have himself committed.

Posted by: SSharmuta's used tampons at September 04, 2009 11:14 PM (bePn5)

213 "52 Just something to consider, Johnson still maintains that Obama didn't bow to abduallah the saudi king. Snigger"
And how he claims Bush DID?
He had to take a single screen shot of a vid where Bush was bending over to accept a medal to make that claim. He deliberately told a lie to attack Bush while defending obama.
Folks, before 9/11 he was a rabid moonbat and his posts show it. He has just reverted back to what he was.

Posted by: Hard Right at September 04, 2009 11:31 PM (A+RNT)

214 Obama sure can pick winners. Can you imagine what he would do once he gets a second term and does not have to worry about reelection?

Posted by: Scipio at September 04, 2009 11:57 PM (bePn5)

215 Ace, I love you to death, brother, but the last thing you want is to mention Charles Johnson on your site. It's worth neither the hassle, or the bother. Many of us here were banned because of his catering to his new audience, so unless the word "fuck" precedes his name, let's just leave him alone with his fucking kindle and be done with him. Sad that it's come to this, cause I used to have a lot of respect for him and his site, but it's almost Kos lite nowadays.

Posted by: The Drizzle at September 05, 2009 12:07 AM (fWnCD)

216 Weather reports, yes.


never, best of my recollection, recalled discussing the sound of one hand clapping.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at September 05, 2009 01:53 AM (swShS)

217 Been married almost a decade, haven't needed self abuse. Bebe's Boobs is either a lying sack of shit or just confused me with someone else. I'll choose to be generous and assume an honest mistake.


Anyway, darned El Nino has crapped on the hurricane season.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at September 05, 2009 01:56 AM (swShS)

218 Bebe said: Yeah Ed got it. But then again I personally found his waxing
rhapsodic, with GRAPHIC details, aboutchoking his chickengross. And
trust me, I have a sense of humor. He got the stick right after that
ifrecall correctly.

I seem to remember Charles claimed that the reason for the banning was that Ed was
making anti-LGF comments over at Gulf Coast Pundit (GCP).

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Posted by: cnc router at September 05, 2009 05:08 AM (eHXbM)

220 Part of the reason my wife and I have four kids is that I have NOT polished my soldier's helmet in almost a decade...

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at September 05, 2009 11:48 AM (swShS)

221 I got banned for defending Fjordman when Chuckles accused him of cowardice for not posting under his own name in hate speech law/Theo van Gogh infidel killing Europe.

I went and repeated what I had typed at GCP, knowing it'd mean a ban. Chuckles, long before the fear of 'Dominionists' making America a Christian sharia theocracy, had started seeing Nazis under every bed.


And again, I am in no danger of going blind, and I would wax rhapsodic on something I don't do.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at September 05, 2009 11:51 AM (swShS)

222 would not, not 'would'.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at September 05, 2009 11:52 AM (swShS)

223 Charles Johnson is the biggest asshole on the internet. Why, oh why, does anyone give a shit what he thinks anymore?

Posted by: Jack Burton at September 05, 2009 11:53 AM (YxJoH)

224 Bebe's Boobs is either a lying sack of shit or just confused me with someone else. I'll choose to be generous and assume an honest mistake.
No Ed, I saw what you wrote. So did many others. But oh, how lucky for you, those comments went down the memory hole along with everything else you posted over there. But if you really want to start a flame war, come on over to Roses's chat. Lotta the other old timers that saw it too are there. And i never said that was the only reason you got it. That was just the tipping point.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 05, 2009 12:35 PM (cniXs)

225 The charitable choice was the wrong choice.


You are a lying sack of shit. I haven't 'choked the chicken' in almost a decade, and certainly wouldn't write "in gross detail" about something I didn't do.

Nice to have the anonymity of the internet to make up crap. Who are you, really? Sharmuta or one of Chuckles' other ball lickers.
Doesn't matter. You are beyond wrong, you are deceitful. In meat space, that kind of slander would lose you your teeth, lucky for you, its just the internet and you can go back to LGF and feel all proud about yourself. You and the other sycophants who have no life without Charles' approval. Go back to your dying blog and enjoy the ever shrinking number of posters, half of whom by now are probably sock puppets of Chaz himself...


Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at September 05, 2009 01:07 PM (NVdGX)

226 Time to lay off the LSD.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 05, 2009 01:08 PM (cniXs)

227 Roses' chat?

Is this the "Irish Rose" that has delinked Allahpundit for not deleting criticism of the beloved Chuckles the Dancing Clown.


I missed that. You are Sharmuta or one of the other other no-life people who hang on every word from a man that has done a complete 270 from pro-Israel pro-defense libertarian conservative (he always liked abortion) to an Obama worshipper.

OK, no worries for my reputation now, the myth of a ban for masturbation talk has been put out by a Chuckles groupie.

Case closed.

Posted by: Ed Mahmoud at September 05, 2009 01:20 PM (NVdGX)

228 Blah blah blah. I told you where to find me. This isn't even entertaining. You're just a frothing cum bucket.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 05, 2009 03:27 PM (cniXs)

229 uh actually shes not Sharm. Shes who she says she is. And rose (who is not irish rose, and never has been) has a congregation of the Banned that can be found through a few of the insidious bad apples blogs.

Chaz attacked us just a few days ago merely for existing.

Posted by: Gushka at September 05, 2009 03:35 PM (u3aBt)

230 If you want to come visit us, in our little Parachat sanctuary come here:
http://tinyurl.com/nudvgm

I especially miss Rawmuse.

Posted by: Gushka at September 05, 2009 03:38 PM (u3aBt)

231 NO NO NO!!!! I am not REPEAT NOT Irish Rose.

Aggggghhhhh, that would be awful!

Posted by: Rose at September 06, 2009 12:35 AM (vSTVC)

232 Actually, I have been told that Irish Rose does ALSO have a chat - but it is NOTHING like ours - we are the new Lounge, and ex-LGFers will find many old friends there!

Posted by: Rose at September 06, 2009 01:25 AM (vSTVC)

233 rose-


who's she chatting with? herself? oh maybe wlover and yooper are there.......stimulating conversation there.....don't you think charles is great? why would anyone want to piss on his carpet? they are all a bunch of ungrateful stalker bloggers......did you see who was chatting at roses? someone should flag charles, they must be banned! no more fruit cup served here! how could van jones just quit like that? he should have stood on his principals!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 06, 2009 11:57 AM (ucxC/)

234 LOL, I don't know, but she is pretty mean.

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Posted by: moon at September 07, 2009 12:48 AM (vAPSw)

236 Just fyi:
(Sep 07-09:12) irishrose has joined.
(Sep 07-09:12) irishrose: good morning haters
(Sep 07-09:13) irishrose: just thought Id leave you a note to let you know that this chat wll be closing shortly
(Sep 07-09:14) irishrose: I want to thank you for all the documentation and information that Ive been collecting for the last couple of weeks via chatroom mole, its been very helpful
(Sep 07-09:14) irishrose: however its time for your party to end, youll have to host your own chatroom now
(Sep 07-09:14) irishrose: tata
(Sep 07-09:16) irishrose: on and by the way, you might want to let your admins know that theyre under surveillance by the feds. If you want your little hate site to stay out of trouble you might want to consider reigning in Savage and Rodan, theyve both been marked.
(Sep 07-09:16) irishrose: Have a nice day.

Hey Irish next time you have something to say to ME, you come and say it to me. No more of this sneaking around. Fookin witch.

Apparently berating, belittling, threatening, stalking and bashing on his own readers isnt enough for Charles Johnson. Thats the climate on his own blog, his own threads hes reaching out by proxy.

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