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| Steny Hoyer's Town Hall - Plan B Doesn't WorkPlan B being shipping in a bunch of HCAN organizers to fill 1300 of 1500 available seats, give speeches so you don't have to take questions, and trying to take control of the debate. April Burke, a constituent of Hoyer’s from Mechanicsville, Md., who drew the first question, recounted how her two children recently lost their jobs and health insurance. She asked why the federal government should provide healthcare when her state health insurance is adequate. Saying the Democratic plan would prevent the exact situation Ms. Burke’s family is now facing, Hoyer said; “I really think this plan would give you, your son and your daughter more confidence.” “No, sir, it really doesn’t,” Burke replied. “We want the government out of our business right now.” Burke’s response drew a boisterous standing ovation similar to scenes at town halls across the country that have been shown on cable news broadcasts. “I know many of you are mad because you think Congress or the president or someone wants to take over your healthcare,” Hoyer said. “But the status quo won’t work for us.”After a week of town halls, I mentioned I'd be surprised if there were any reps who'd have the stones to keep holding these meetings, and they have tapered off. The next new strategy, sending in union goons to confront opponents of government health care, backfired pretty badly. So now they're resorting to organized opposition using stooges like Heath Care for America Now to stuff the halls and marginalize the opposition. That ain't working out so well either. The Maryland HCAN chapter head is awesomely good with numbers too. A staged minority Matt. And even that isn't working. Read a poll, it'll put you some knowledge. tip via everybody's favorite man-lesbian Comments1
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Is there any way to prevent the town hall meetings from being turfed? Short of highjacking the bus. Posted by: harleycowboy at September 02, 2009 09:21 AM (JKGfQ) 6
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Steny and Co. still insisting they "have to do this" and “But the status quo won’t work for us” along with Zero's czarist shell govt being built makes you wonder what they have in store for us. Check out Drudge's article on Massachusetts's senate voting on the state's right to sotrm your house over pig flu. Don't let any crisis go to waste.
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Interesting re-definition of mathematical/statistical terms.... apparently, in new standard utopian speak, a "majority" is defined as whichever number of people happen to agree with your idea.
This new definition does away with difficult situations involving math, percentages, and the opinions of yucky people that don't agree with all of preznit zero's bingo happy joy time plans. Remember- these are words, just words. They can make them mean whatever they want to mean. They won, you see. Posted by: buster mcDissenter at September 02, 2009 09:25 AM (D39Xv) 9
who drew the first question
Is this the same as the NH meeting? You have to have a “ticket” to get speech? Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2009 09:26 AM (CDUiN) 10
"The opponents are a vocal minority"???? What a chump. Whine-stein needs a lobotomy. I wonder if his insurance will cover it? I am so sick of our politicians and idiots like this guy from HCAN MD, minimalizing our passion, our numbers and our disapproval of this very bad idea of government running our healthcare! We are not a minority, and we've only just begun to be vocal! Hang onto your hearing aid pal, because the voices will be getting louder and louder!
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Our local talk-radio guy was "granted" a brief interview by Sen. Mark Warner-(D)umbarse, VA - last week, and even in the face of this public deathcare backlash, the good senator (who made his millions in the free market of cell phones), still spouted the party line and squirmed his way through it. And this guy has delusions about being president someday.
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After a few questions about the cost of the healthcare overhaul, Hoyer repeated emphatically his pledge not to vote for a healthcare bill that wasn’t paid for, a statement that only drew a mix of boos and laughter. Apparently even the lefturds didn't buy this crap. Posted by: huerfano at September 02, 2009 09:28 AM (knHvu) 13
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You know what really, really, really, really won't work for us? A 14 TRILLION dollar deficit over the next decade. Thick as the thickest bricks these people are. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 02, 2009 09:29 AM (B+qrE) 15
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I listened to that.. Warner was talking to so fast so Doc (the radio guy who subs for Beck from time to time) couldn't get a word in edge-wise.. Posted by: Dave C at September 02, 2009 09:33 AM (La0Tt) 17
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The easiest way to get the message across is to contact the Representative's office and talk to the policy advisor. Regardless of the attendance at town hall meetings, this is eventually going to be resolved at the ballot box. Letting the Congressional Reps know that is important. Hi, I'm a constituent - you allowed an advocacy group to bus in people from outside the district, and gave them priority seating. As such, I was prevented from attending and participating in the town hall. That adovcacy group is now in a neighboring district, attending a different representative's town hall. I'm still here. Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 02, 2009 09:33 AM (ruzrP) 18
Outnubered 7.5 to 1. Real fair forum ya got there Stemmy. The only people making out under this debate are the bus companies! Posted by: hutch1200 at September 02, 2009 09:35 AM (8nlZI) 19
If we withdraw all troops and aid from Afghanistan and Iraq, cut all production of F-22's, eliminate the budget for missle defense, reduce the order for F-35s, raise taxes on those making over 100,000, let the Bush tax cuts expire, raise the capital gains tax and eliminate foreign aid and support to countries like Columbia, Poland, Taiwan, Georgia and other former Soviet states then we will have plenty of money to reform healthcare. Health Care Now! Health Care Now! Posted by: polynikes at September 02, 2009 09:36 AM (m2CN7) 20
I am a concerned mother who has always supported the Republicans desire to oppress the little people, but even I think we need to be quiet at town halls and let the real working people talk. Esp. the man-lesbians.
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What I don't get is.....and aside from any voter fraud activities we're going to be up against....is do these congressmen REALLY, REALLY think that by stacking the townhalls with thugs of various varieties that it's going to negate all the anger?
Come election time, the American citizens are going to be possessing a boiling fury like never before. They are only fooling themselves by bussing in these 'tards. Posted by: Twinks at September 02, 2009 09:39 AM (wjosM) 23
A republican member is having a town hall in south florida tonight. It should be pretty awesome.
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Yeah, these tactics seem to be working real well...../sarc
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my congressman, Dem. Perriello (5th CD, Va), after 21 loud, boisterous townhalls that featured probably 90% opposition to obamacare, cap & trade, & all things Bambi, he says that he thinks the majority of his constituents favor health care overhaul. this guy isn't dumb. but he will be unemployed come Nov. 2010. Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 02, 2009 09:50 AM (TEIZr) 28
Tami, but he's going to change all that by maybe telling Congress what he thinks the health plan should look like. Heh, heh, heh. This should be fun to watch. Posted by: Mama AJ at September 02, 2009 09:51 AM (X6Zdh) 29
“We want the government out of our business right now.” But she just said she receives health insurance from the government. I'm sure she meant she wants "the federal government" our of her business right now, but as worded it looks like a sloppy argument. Posted by: CJ at September 02, 2009 09:51 AM (9KqcB) 30
my congressman, Dem. Perriello (5th CD, Va), after 21 loud, boisterous townhalls that featured probably 90% opposition to obamacare, cap & trade, & all things Bambi, he says that he thinks the majority of his constituents favor health care overhaul. this guy isn't dumb.These two sentences don't compute. Posted by: Tami at September 02, 2009 09:52 AM (VuLos) 31
I love how the dude tries to frame it as if the people opposing this nonsesense are "against health care"and the paper goes right along with it.
Hello? Nobody's "against health care" anymore than people are "against sunshine" or "against magical skittles pooped from unicorns." What they're against is the absurdly bad plans and proposals of an enormous expansion of government involvement in their lives... sheesh. Posted by: LikeATimeBomb at September 02, 2009 09:52 AM (J6xq2) 32
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her two children recently lost their jobs and health insurance.. . .
Saying the Democratic plan would prevent the exact situation Ms. Burke’s family is now facing Huh? Every time I've been laid off, I'd had to sign a piece of paper stating HR told me about COBRA. And part of the porkulus was federal money to pay 65% of your COBRA premium. If the kids chose to skip enrolling in COBRA so they could spend their money on something more important to them, hey, that's a choice. Is Hoyer saying the bill will make it impossible for them to make that choice, that they'll be forced to fork over their share of the premium regardless of their other needs? Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 02, 2009 10:05 AM (NtiET) 35
I must give HCAN credit for one thing, though. They are smart enough to recruit complete idiots as their thugs. Because only a complete idiot would attend one of these town hall meetings and not come away at least considering that more gov't intrusion into the healthcare industry may be wrong and this plan simply sucks. I mean, it's almost as if HCAN is not worried in the least that their hired goons might actually be able to think for themselves.... Hmm. Posted by: wiserbud at September 02, 2009 10:05 AM (wWwJR) 36
tami: my congressman knows that everyone in our district is against it, but he is telling everyone that he knows that his constituents are for it. i guess these "invisible" constituents are the ones that call him rather than appear at townhalls. he won the seat in '08 by only 727 (or 737) votes. but he thinks he will get big-time Dem help. har. how's that gonna help him? Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 02, 2009 10:07 AM (TEIZr) 37
If the kids chose to skip enrolling in COBRA so they could spend their money on something more important to them, hey, that's a choice. Is Hoyer saying the bill will make it impossible for them to make that choice, that they'll be forced to fork over their share of the premium regardless of their other needs?
Yesss.. Enroll more kids into my program.. Soon, Cobra will be educating the next generation of children and we will rule the world! Posted by: Cobra Commander at September 02, 2009 10:14 AM (La0Tt) 38
Kelly I feel bad for you. I am in the 10th district so I do not have to go thru that crap.
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TASTE THE RAINBOW!!! Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at September 02, 2009 10:18 AM (OtE8p) 40
Congressmen will get reelected because of idiots going in and pulling/pushing the party lever/button. Electronic machines can be rigged. Manual machines get used by bused in zombie voters. Why else would voter ID get nixed all the time? A hard ship on the poor? Give it to them for free!!! How hard can it be to get one? On the next visit to the welfare dept. you get one.
Posted by: harleycowboy at September 02, 2009 10:21 AM (JKGfQ) Posted by: Nigel Tufnel at September 02, 2009 10:31 AM (4Kl5M) 42
“But the status quo won’t work for us.”
What "us", Steny? Are you going without health insurance? Is this plan going to make any difference in your life whatsoever? Posted by: Original Roy at September 02, 2009 10:33 AM (jV0wG) 43
I guess Hoyer and other congresscritters just don't get it yet. For those of us who live out here in the real world, the health care debate looks something like this: Our health care system is not broken. Pre-existing conditions and lack of portability should be addressed instead of a wholesale government takeover of the industry. The absence of any tort reform is proof of a lack of seriousness in "fixing" health care. Health care reform won't magically turn our economy around. Tax cuts and deregulation will, two problems which have nothing at all to do with health care. If congress was really interested in health care for all Americans, they'd simply offer their medical plan for all of us. Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 02, 2009 10:38 AM (ZGhSv) 44
The Dems screwed up. Health care is not in crisis, so their tactics don't work. They should have f'ed it up first; then force fed us their solution.
Posted by: Jean at September 02, 2009 10:42 AM (L64A6) 45
They can't import all of these idiots/criminals from out of the country so someone has to know some of them. Watch the left wing crowd, remember faces from your area, then watch/checkup on them when they are at home. 99% will be involved in some type of criminal activity and a phone call to the local police can''t be ignored everytime. Do your duty as a citizen and remove these criminals from the streets. Same with the teachers (union), they, 99% of them, commit crimes daily and should not be in the class room. Have them removed and if possible jailed. You won't have to make up charges as the democrats do, you can catch most democrats with drugs, driving drunk and /or cheating on the spouse, even the politicians. Observe and report is all you have to do.
Posted by: Scrapiron at September 02, 2009 10:43 AM (1kwr2) Posted by: effinayright at September 02, 2009 10:44 AM (PH8IC) 47
I had drinks with some very nice but very liberal friends yesterday and they were talking up health care vigils they are sponsoring. They were bemoaning the fact that nobody was showing up. I had to bite my tongue....
Posted by: PJ at September 02, 2009 10:45 AM (yrzKU) 48
They should have f'ed it up first; then force fed us their solution.
There's still time. New South Wales tissue paper, I just scared myself spitless. Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 02, 2009 10:48 AM (NtiET) 49
had drinks with some very nice but very liberal friends yesterday and they were talking up health care vigils they are sponsoring. They were bemoaning the fact that nobody was showing up. I had to bite my tongue....Posted by: PJ at September 02, 2009 10:45 AM (yrzKU) I woulda burst out laughing. Health care vigil? WTF is that, aren't you supposed to hold "vigils" when someone dies? I hope that means they are holding vigils over the death of the bill. Posted by: Mr. Pink at September 02, 2009 10:53 AM (SqAkN) 50
...aren't you supposed to hold "vigils" when someone dies? That's what I thought also. Will the new health czar be a guy named Kavorkian?
Posted by: harleycowboy at September 02, 2009 10:58 AM (JKGfQ) 51
If the dems are going to vote for the ChappaquiddiCare government takeover scheme, I think they and their families should also have to use the same plan. Let's see how many vote yes if that happens. I'm dreaming, I know, but I think they should have to be under the plan also.
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How is it that massive deficits that weren't massive under Bush causing poor people to eat boogers for lunch are now a thing of the past and nothing to be concerned about. Is this what "political economy" is called? That little philosophy they teach at all the smart kid colleges, the exclusive colleges for kids who fit the type. It is absolutely Philly-ing incredible what's going on here. Posted by: Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller, DO at September 02, 2009 11:04 AM (2IQWk) 53
he won the seat in '08 by only 727 (or 737) votes. but he thinks he
will get big-time Dem help. har. how's that gonna help him?
Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 02, 2009 10:07 AM (TEIZr) Well at least you have a good chance of booting him out. I live in Connecticut....there's no hope here. These buffoons will probably reelect Dodd. Posted by: Tami at September 02, 2009 11:09 AM (VuLos) 54
"Come election time, the American citizens are going to be possessing a boiling fury like never before. They are only fooling themselves by bussing in these 'tards." Eh, we'll just bus 'em in to vote, too. Posted by: (D) Congresscritters at September 02, 2009 11:10 AM (V40IZ) 55
You people are stupid. Posted by: Bill Maher at September 02, 2009 11:12 AM (V40IZ) 56
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Yesss.. Enroll more kids into my program.. Soon, Cobra will be educating the next generation of children and we will rule the world! Posted by: Cobra Commander at September 02, 2009 10:14 AM (La0Tt) Eh, based on the current leader I would consider this a lateral move at the worst. Posted by: buzzion at September 02, 2009 11:35 AM (R8dw1) 59
I love how they use the term "healthcare" to describe their desire to impose communized medicine upon us. Tyranny dressied up as a humanitarian project.
This allows them to say things like "The majority of Americans are in favor of healthcare," or "Health care now!" and fully expect a certain percentage of the public to rally behind them, not understanding the twisted meaning being applied to this otherwise unambiguous term. This is the same trick that the "peace" protesters have been pulling since before I was even born. Who wouldn't be in favor of peace, of an end to warfare? But when you realize that "peace" in their book means surrender to the forces of darkness, it doesn't sound so wonderful. These people are evil, plain and simple. They use lies and subterfuge to trick the gullible and the naive into supporting their evil agenda. Fooling the good into supporting things that are wrong is one of the oldest tricks in the playbook of evil. The left plays word games because to describe their ideas and agendas using clear and honest language would permanently consign them to the lunatic fringe where they belong. Posted by: Lee at September 02, 2009 12:24 PM (xOpTz) 60
I know...vigils. I think they are trying to show their fervent, semi-religious belief in socialism. They are like children.
Posted by: PJ at September 02, 2009 01:36 PM (yrzKU) 61
sorry guys i was planning to show up but i got sidetracked by family. doubt i would have gotten in when i clearly look like someone they would not want to let in (military haircut, flag shirt from old navy)
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I don't get the point of stuffing these greenhouses ...uh, meetings. Are they telling us that these congressdweebs are too stoopud to know those are plants.? Or are too out of the loop to have heard what we hear here? rly? Posted by: Faye Kinnit at September 02, 2009 08:54 PM (l1oyw) 63
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