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Rasmussen Cowbell: Obama at Fresh New Low of 45%; 53% Disapprove

Among those who strongly approve or disapprove, he's at 30-41. So his strong disapproval is almost equal to his total approval.

Moderate Congressional Democrats have followed Obama into the breach on several unpopular and dangerous votes, most importantly the Spendulus and the Cap and Tax. Surely by now they understand that Obama's policies have not spurred a recovery, and may have stalled one. Either way, there is unlikely to be good economic news by November of next year to offset their votes against constituent wishes.

And there almost certainly won't be any sort of political benefit to marching in lockstep with an increasingly unpopular president, and one now widely acknowledged as being far tot the left of the American center.

Still, that doesn't mean they won't vote Obama's way. They are faced by a no-win situation. They can either anger their passionate leftist voter base (and donor base), or anger the center. They can't afford to do either. So, facing that, they might just decide to plunge the nation into socialism, figuring, who knows, government bureaucracy will be a growth industry for the next fifty years so they should be all set even if voted out of office.


Here's a cowbell-filled song for Barack "Low Rider" Obama.

Posted by: Ace at 11:28 AM



Comments

1 If his "strongly disapprove" ever hits 50% he's toast.

At that point even Democrats will have to make a public show of disagreeing with him (as the Republicans did towards the end of Bush's term).


Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 11:31 AM (YpVHs)

2

5 years today Beslan school massacre. @gateway pundit

thank powers that be for lowering approval rating, pray it continues

Posted by: willow at September 01, 2009 11:31 AM (GkYyh)

3 I'm cautious. I'm pessimistic. I'm first. But mostly, I'm suffused with schadenfreude.

Posted by: joncelli at September 01, 2009 11:31 AM (RD7QR)

4 Well, okay, I'm cautious, pessimistic, and suffused with schadenfreude. Let's just leave it at that.

Posted by: joncelli at September 01, 2009 11:32 AM (RD7QR)

5 WTF?  No Jenny Connelly riding a horse?!?!

Posted by: EC at September 01, 2009 11:33 AM (mAhn3)

6 Time for a "new crisis".

Posted by: Vic at September 01, 2009 11:33 AM (CDUiN)

7
wow the thought of Obama facing primary challengers in 2012 makes my pope beanie turn into a big pope hat.

Posted by: His Holiness Tweet Paul II at September 01, 2009 11:33 AM (jVldi)

8 Is anyone considering , when the teens and 20 year olds return to school, the Profs will get them back on track with the Obama love fest?

Posted by: willow at September 01, 2009 11:34 AM (GkYyh)

9 This isn't the hope and change as advertised.

Posted by: An 18 Year Old Conservative at September 01, 2009 11:34 AM (G2a9k)

10 OR the Dems will figure there's no percentage in hanging with Obama and the left wing.  The extreme left may make a lot of noise, but they are not the majority of Dem voters.

Posted by: GarandFan at September 01, 2009 11:35 AM (qKTIT)

11 They can either anger their passionate leftist voter base (and donor base), or anger the center. They can't afford to do either.

This is a lesson in the fallacy of "big tent" platforms.

You cannot please all of the people even some of the time. The Democrats are reaping what they have sown, and it behooves the Republican party to take note.

Running on a strong Conservative platform lets everyone know exactly where you stand, and allows them to measure the success of your ideology based on the metric of your choice (economy, crime, foreign policy...) combined with how firmly you uphold the Conservative ideology in the pursuit of those policies.


Posted by: krakatoa at September 01, 2009 11:35 AM (P+oMN)

12 This is exciting, but this trend has to continue next year for the 2010 elections and more importantly, in 2012..This guy has to be a one term president.

Posted by: IC at September 01, 2009 11:36 AM (jZNCU)

13 #8

The next time election time rolls around, the 18-20 year old college crowd will be 22-24 and massively unemployed.   If they vote at all, its going to be for a different sort of "hope and change".


Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 11:36 AM (YpVHs)

14 they have their internal polls, they seem very calm.  After a while it must go back up.  this was definitely planned.  "let them protest till they protest themselves out in august" then we come in in september and pass the bill the first day before anyone realizes we did it."

Posted by: curious at September 01, 2009 11:36 AM (p302b)

15 You're using your powers for evil, Ace.

Posted by: palin steele (the most sockpuppeted poster on AoSHQ) at September 01, 2009 11:36 AM (PD1tk)

16 It should be noted that these polls are measuring a populace informed by a sympathetic press, remain weighted democratic, reflect no new crisis, and essentially no Republican opposition. 

The Conservative grassroots may be banging a few teapots - but GOP itself has not even begun to engage.  My question is this a strategy or incompetence?

Posted by: Jean at September 01, 2009 11:36 AM (L64A6)

17 "For your first reading assignment, I would like to introduce you to Das Kapital by Karl Marx. As some of you may know, Marx was the brightest, smartest, and most intellectual of all western philosophers. At the end of the term, I expect a two page report on why you agree with Marx. Thank you."

Posted by: An 18 Year Old Conservative at September 01, 2009 11:36 AM (G2a9k)

18

Is anyone considering , when the teens and 20 year olds return to school, the Profs will get them back on track with the Obama love fest?

Oh yeah, you mean the ones who so reliably show up to vote?

/sarc

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at September 01, 2009 11:37 AM (SCcgT)

19 But how can this be?!?11?1/?  LOOK AT HIS FUCKING CREASES!!!! THEY'RE PER-F-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-ECT!!!111!!11eleventy1

Posted by: David Brooks at September 01, 2009 11:38 AM (IoUF1)

20 Its also worth pointing out that these polls are transient.

Obama's popularity could rally fairly dramatically under a variety of crises, even if he doesn't manage them all that well.


Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 11:38 AM (YpVHs)

21

In reality, if you could do a real time poll of the entire population the numbers would look something like:

75% Disapprove

60% Strongly Disapprove

10% Approve

1% Strongly Approve

But, instead we play games as if this guy actually has a chance at pleasing the American Public.

Posted by: Jimi at September 01, 2009 11:38 AM (fqxV7)

22

Lockerbie bomber release, Obama knew back in June. Eric Holder green lighted and worked out details for Brits!

http://tiny.cc/MWR2w

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 01, 2009 11:39 AM (H7Rlw)

23 So his strong disapproval is almost equal to his total disapproval.

I think that's more important.  When that flips, anyone who says a positive thing about him is going to get the rotten tomato treatment in any reasonably sized group of people.  I think there might be a snowball effect at that point separate from events, at least until his approval rate drops to the current strong approval rate.

Posted by: Methos at September 01, 2009 11:39 AM (b34Vz)

24 Oh yeah, you mean the ones who so reliably show up to vote?

I was still too young to vote. Missed it by a few months.

Posted by: An 18 Year Old Conservative at September 01, 2009 11:39 AM (G2a9k)

25 Ace, please do a main post on Obamas Website calling us Terrorists.

We need all we can get to stop this socialist machine

Posted by: MelodicMetal at September 01, 2009 11:40 AM (weVyN)

26 Assume the fetal positon wee-wee prez.

Posted by: collardgreensandbacongrease at September 01, 2009 11:40 AM (ojfhd)

27

they have their internal polls, they seem very calm.

This is a highly rehearsed image-- just an image. Would love to be the proverbial fly at those meetings with Axelgrease.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at September 01, 2009 11:40 AM (SCcgT)

28 Good comment krakatoa. And if you're ever stuck listening to one of the Obama lover pundits or shows (MSNBC, CNN, etc.) they'll say, "the majority of Americans are for this health plan" or "Obama is overwhelmingly popular with the voters". They just make this shit up.

Posted by: Pocono Joe at September 01, 2009 11:40 AM (G37hT)

29 Oh yeah, you mean the ones who so reliably show up to vote?

Don't forget the dedicated minority who vote twice (once on campus, once absentee using parent(s) address(es)) and volunteer to sign up illegal aliens and comatose nursing home residents to vote absentee (pays better than washing dishes in the dorm cafeteria plus you get to "make a difference."). 


Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 01, 2009 11:40 AM (NtiET)

30

Oh yeah, you mean the ones who so reliably show up to vote?

--I was still too young to vote. Missed it by a few months.

Well, uh, I meant liberal student-age types, not, uh conservatives. Yeah, that's it.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at September 01, 2009 11:42 AM (SCcgT)

31 #29

Its a perpetual problem.

The Republicans won't police the polls for fear of being painted as racist and partisan, and the Dems won't police them for fear of losing elections.

Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (YpVHs)

32 Eventually his approval will be so low it will be in the negative percentage because the dead will rise from their graves and say "Yep, he's so bad I actually reanimated my own corpse just to say how much he sucks."

Posted by: Crusty at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (GvSpB)

33 poopy poopy poopy!

Posted by: John ryan at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (1ZaAe)

34 Lockerbie bomber release, Obama knew back in June.

How'd that end up on the AP wire!?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (NtiET)

35 Damn shame we have no leadership.  Forget Sarah, she's been demonized.

Posted by: dan in michigan at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (88w67)

36

Not a worry... 

Everything will level back out once the kids score some new chronic.

Posted by: Lord Axelrod at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (GwPRU)

37 I'd respond to this pack of lies, but I'm too busy looking for a non-hobo-blowing job.  I really should have picked a better major at Harvard!

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (VmtE9)

38

the bright red economist ad is like a beacon to my boss shouting "yes he is fucking off again, what the hell do you pay this slack-ass for"

Thank you Ace!
 

Oh yeah!  Obambi's numbers are giving me a David Brooks type woody.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (1B81L)

39 22

Lockerbie bomber release, Obama knew back in June. Eric Holder green lighted and worked out details for Brits!

http://tiny.cc/MWR2w

===========

I wish the damn oil would run out; I would trade my truck in for a bicycle to see the Arabs forced back into eating grasshoppers.

Posted by: Jean at September 01, 2009 11:44 AM (L64A6)

40 Ah, tasty, tasty schadenfreude!

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at September 01, 2009 11:44 AM (1hM1d)

41 I assume Obama's mad teleprompter skillz will garner a couple of points bump on 9/11 but the trend is all bad,, or good, as it were.

Posted by: toby928 at September 01, 2009 11:44 AM (PD1tk)

42 Either way, there is unlikely to be good economic news by November of next year to offset their votes against constituent wishes.

Optimist.  Never forget that the porkulus bill passed this spring was loaded with next-year spending projects, precisely to produce an economic surge and a matching surge in the approval ratings for both Barry Lackwit and the socialist bastards running Congress.

I will believe that the voters are angry and smart enough to vote out all the politicians and replace them with real people the day that it happens.  Not a second before. 

Posted by: wolfwalker at September 01, 2009 11:44 AM (YozHr)

43 The only pole that matters is Obama's in my mouth.

Posted by: John ryan at September 01, 2009 11:45 AM (VmtE9)

44 the low rider video is just a classic, deft, and incisive touch

thanks Ace

Posted by: Dave at September 01, 2009 11:46 AM (Xm1aB)

45 So, is it time to short Unicorn futures on the NYMEX ?

Posted by: FreakyBoy at September 01, 2009 11:46 AM (4s1it)

46 @32  When a Chicago politician loses the critical zombie coalition he can hang up his AstroTurf and build a bigger mausoleum.

Posted by: TxDan at September 01, 2009 11:46 AM (cHVi2)

47 Obama's got all the polls wee-weed-up!

Posted by: Dave at September 01, 2009 11:47 AM (Xm1aB)

48 35 Damn shame we have no leadership.  Forget Sarah, she's been demonized.

Posted by: dan in michigan at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (88w67)


Fuck that, I am way past done allowing the  left in this country deciding who is a viable candidate for us.

Posted by: UncleFacts Summoner of the Meteors at September 01, 2009 11:48 AM (vZVv7)

49 the bright red economist ad is like a beacon to my boss

Firefox w/AdBlock addon, my friend.  May also want to consider turning off "automatically load images."

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 01, 2009 11:48 AM (NtiET)

50 #32 Eventually his approval will be so low it will be in the negative percentage because the dead will rise from their graves and say "Yep, he's so bad I actually reanimated my own corpse just to say how much he sucks."


Won't matter.
Dead voters always vote Democrat.
Obama has that constituency locked up.
http://tiny.cc/5BOU5

Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 11:48 AM (YpVHs)

51

@39

tax evaders, militant racist thugs & international murderes are the new scofflaws.  Its the garage saler & flea marketeers that are the tru criminials.

Talk about a NWO.

 

 

Posted by: dananjcon at September 01, 2009 11:48 AM (1B81L)

52 39 22

Lockerbie bomber release, Obama knew back in June. Eric Holder green lighted and worked out details for Brits!

http://tiny.cc/MWR2w

===========

I wish the damn oil would run out; I would trade my truck in for a bicycle to see the Arabs forced back into eating grasshoppers.

Posted by: Jean at September 01, 2009 11:44 AM (L64A6)

Yep!

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 01, 2009 11:49 AM (H7Rlw)

53

Forget Sarah, she's been demonized.

1962-- Forget Nixon, he's been demonized.

1976-- Forget Reagan, he's been demonized.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at September 01, 2009 11:49 AM (SCcgT)

54 Obama's popularity could rally fairly dramatically under a variety of crises, even if he doesn't manage them all that well.

I suppose anything is possible.  As Obama is all talk, I suppose he could give one of those "the people who knocked these buildings down" lines at the site of the next attack and soar to those lofty 90% Bush levels.

Except that Obama would have to give a thirty minute speech rather than spontaneous remarks.  And the guys holding his teleprompters on the rubble would be kind of conspicuous.  And anyone with some basic understanding of causality would look at Obama's soft treatment of jihadis and blame him for the incident.  And he's looking for an excuse to flee Afghanistan, so it's not like he'd actually carry out any massive retaliation.

Posted by: Methos at September 01, 2009 11:49 AM (b34Vz)

55 8 Is anyone considering , when the teens and 20 year olds return to school, the Profs will get them back on track with the Obama love fest?

Posted by: willow at September 01, 2009 11:34 AM (GkYyh)


the profs will try, but the obama juice is wearing thin. maybe they listened to their p parents and gparnets a little over the summer

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at September 01, 2009 11:49 AM (5r0Tz)

56 " Rasmussen polls are off by 10 points from every other poll that RealClearPolitics uses in their average.."

And here's john ryan, with some drive by stupid. Rasmussen was the most accurate in the last election, bonesmoker. "Every other poll" overstates democratic percentage by either a little or a lot, rendering their results largely useless- much like yourself.

Go play with your dollies and let the big people talk, johnny.

Posted by: buster mcDissenter at September 01, 2009 11:50 AM (D39Xv)

57 Posted by: Jean at September 01, 2009 11:36 AM (L64A6)
My question is this a strategy or incompetence?

Does it really matter at this point? I think it may be a little of both. Considering anything they say can and will be used (and spun) by the MSM against them, it is a sound policy to not say anything at all while the Dems keep digging.

osted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 11:38 AM (YpVHs)
Obama's popularity could rally fairly dramatically under a variety of crises

Yes, perhaps. But do you really believe his response to those crises will allow him to maintain any rally?

- Foreign policy issues will be a disaster, from first response, to the cascade of negative consequence that follows any Liberal endeavor in this area.

- Another terrorist act on US soil will erode his numbers immediately, as it will rightfully be seen as an indictment against his CIA witchhunt, and the handcuffing of intelligence gathering.

- A double-dip recession will be an unmitigated disaster for his policies from the get-go.

Perhaps some sort of natural disaster that he could throw huge dollars at with Absolute Moral Authority granted by the MSM would allow him a small sustainable rally, but weighed against the balance of his failures, I don't think it would be worth that many points.

Posted by: krakatoa at September 01, 2009 11:50 AM (P+oMN)

58

Ahahahaha!

The number of Americans who trust President Obama to make the right decisions has fallen by roughly 17 percentage points. Obama’s job approval is down to about 50 percent. All presidents fall from their honeymoon highs, but in the history of polling, no newly elected American president has fallen this far this fast.

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Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

Posted by: Jay at September 01, 2009 11:50 AM (/ZX77)

59 #48

There's too many folks who make their political choices within the confines of our pop-culture paradigm. (I'm not trying to sound smart, it just came out that way)

Sarah Palin has been firmly placed outside that paradigm. And that sucks.

Posted by: Dave at September 01, 2009 11:51 AM (Xm1aB)

60 This is awesome.

Now we just need to get the Republicans off their asses and to do something bold and aggressive with it.

I'm thinking something along the lines of A New Contract With America...but am expecting something along the lines of a reintroduction of the Flag Burning Amendment.

Posted by: Oedipus at September 01, 2009 11:51 AM (KIzJt)

61

@49

thank you Heather, am learning many new wonderful things here @ AoS,

but still haven't figured out the tiny url thingy yet.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at September 01, 2009 11:51 AM (1B81L)

62

I suppose he could give one of those "the people who knocked these buildings down" lines at the site of the next attack and soar to those lofty 90% Bush levels.

Well, the problem there is that Obama wants to be friends with the people that knocked those buildings down.

Posted by: Jay at September 01, 2009 11:51 AM (/ZX77)

63 Poll Accuracy in the 2008 Presidential Election —Initial Report, November 5, 2008— Costas Panagopoulos, Ph.D. Department of Political Science Fordham University For inquiries: cpanagopoulo@fordham.edu or (917) 405-9069For all the derision directed toward pre-election polling, the final poll estimates were not far off from the actual nationwide voteshares for the two candidates. On average, pre- election polls from 23 public polling organizations projected a Democratic advantage of 7.52 percentage points on Election Day, which is only about 1.37 percentage points away from the current estimate of a 6.15-point Obama margin in the national popular vote. Following the procedures proposed by Martin, Traugott and Kennedy (see Public Opinion Quarterly, Fall 2006, pp. 342-369) to assess poll accuracy, I analyze poll estimates from these 23 polling organizations. Four of these polls appear to have overestimated McCain support (indicated with a * below), while most polls (17) overestimated Obama strength. Pre-election projections for two organizations’ final polls—Rasmussen and Pew—were
perfectly in agreement with the actual election result (**).
The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national pre- election polls (as reported on pollster.com). 1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)** 1. Pew (10/29-11/1)** 2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1) 3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27) 4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)* 5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)* 5. ARG (10/25-27)* 6. CNN (10/30-11/1) 6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1) 7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3) 8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27) 9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2) 10. FOX (11/1-2) 11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27) 12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3) 13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2) 14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2) 15. Marist College (11/3) 16. CBS (10/31-11/2) 17. Gallup (10/31-11/2) 18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3) 19. CBS/Times (10/25-29) 20. Newsweek (10/22-23)

Posted by: Jean at September 01, 2009 11:53 AM (L64A6)

64 "Don't worry about it Mr. President. next election we will have  Free Woodstock Concerts ,  Free beer, Free grass, Free hamburgers& fries, outside of every major city. voting will be set up at the entrances, to get in they must vote".

Posted by: willow at September 01, 2009 11:53 AM (GkYyh)

65 Where is that guy that always types "Boner engaged"? I think he is needed now.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at September 01, 2009 11:53 AM (SqAkN)

66 22

Lockerbie bomber release, Obama knew back in June. Eric Holder green lighted and worked out details for Brits!

http://tiny.cc/MWR2w

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at September 01, 2009 11:39 AM (H7Rlw)

Wow. Just Wow. What a cocksicle.

Posted by: Cyn at September 01, 2009 11:55 AM (cxzu3)

67 Forget Sarah, she's been demonized.

No.  That's exactly why I'm going to continue to support her, unless there is someone else an order of magnitude better (zombie reagan).  This is war, and we should make their defeat in 2012 as bitter a pill as possible for Obama's supporters, particularly the media.

Posted by: Methos at September 01, 2009 11:56 AM (b34Vz)

68

I will now sum up the next three years of conversations with libtards/trolls/Robert Gibbs/David Brooks/Peggy Noonan/and, at times, John McCain:

Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...Yes, but...

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 01, 2009 11:56 AM (B+qrE)

69 Well, I have to admit, the thought of Palin delivering a humiliating defeat to Obama and the democrats in 2012 is perhaps the sweetest avenge fantasy I've ever engaged in.

Posted by: Dave at September 01, 2009 11:57 AM (Xm1aB)

70 I'd apologize about the formatting, but you'll know the deal.

Posted by: Jean at September 01, 2009 11:58 AM (L64A6)

71 How about next time we nominate a conservative and the RINO's have to hold their noses.  It's their turn.

Posted by: Jean at September 01, 2009 11:59 AM (L64A6)

72 Anybody been to see LGF and Chuckie Johnson lately?

I suspect he's beginning to sound more like his old-self, much more conservative, what with the poll numbers moving the way they are.

Posted by: Dave at September 01, 2009 12:00 PM (Xm1aB)

73 Good song to post, Ace.

Posted by: Cyn at September 01, 2009 12:00 PM (cxzu3)

74 #50 - I absolutely love this line from the CT Sec of State:

"Yet Connecticut Secretary of State Susan Bysiewicz is adamant that “actually no dead people voted.”

Thank God there were no actual zombies!

Posted by: Big Daddy at September 01, 2009 12:01 PM (pOcKt)

75

The extreme left may make a lot of noise, but they are not the majority of Dem voters.

Hell, they're not in the majority of anything except lunacy.

For example: 1. Animals have legal rights.

2. Terrorists (who aren't even citizens) should have rights in our courts.

3. Global warming is caused by man and must be stopped by returning us to 19th century standards of living.

I could go on, but you get the drift. Normal everyday people with common sense do not think this way. How these idiots managed to gain a voice is a constant source of puzzlement. They should only be ridiculed for the absurdity of these ideas. But after a generation or two of hearing their bullshit, some folks actually take them seriously. Talk about a lie being repeated often enough to become the truth...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 01, 2009 12:01 PM (ZGhSv)

76 I suspect Chuckie had to move his blog to the center because he was losing paying gigs in Hollywood.  Regardless of his personal beliefs (which were center-lefty, anti-terrorist); his blog's bread was buttured on the right.



Posted by: Jean at September 01, 2009 12:03 PM (L64A6)

77 LGF is still online?

Posted by: winston at September 01, 2009 12:04 PM (FggW0)

78

"Yet Connecticut Secretary of State Susan Bysiewicz is adamant that “actually no dead people voted.”

I have an idea:

Weekend at Bernie's III!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 01, 2009 12:04 PM (B+qrE)

79 I think we'd be better off with Rudy, Mitt, or Eric Cantor.

Posted by: ford at September 01, 2009 12:05 PM (Ki7fm)

80 #75 For example: 1. Animals have legal rights.

Was it Spain, wherein the lefties granted monkeys human rights?

Posted by: Jean at September 01, 2009 12:05 PM (L64A6)

81 #57,

If Obama were capable of competently managing the economy, foreign policy, or a variety of internal crises, then his popularity probably wouldn't be eroding to begin with.  I for one, certainly wouldn't be against him, if could show competence in any of those areas.   Put differently, given the choice, I'd much rather approve of Obama's performance than disapprove.

It remains to be seen how bad the economy will get (or will remain) or what will happen with respect to foreign policy.  In general, any decisive executive response to a foreign or domestic crisis (even if not necessarily the best response) tends to garner popularity.   As one example, Obama REALLY let the ball drop on the Iranian election.   

Could Obama get a durable popularity response from something like this?  Probably not, but he might be able to stave off further erosion for a while..

A a matter of practice, having a  really unpopular President in the White House for 2-3 years probably isn't really good for anybody.   Like it or not, Obama is still the commander-in-chief and running foreign policy no matter how unpopular he is.


Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 12:06 PM (YpVHs)

82 The Conservative grassroots may be banging a few teapots - but GOP itself has not even begun to engage. My question is this a strategy or incompetence?

They're stepping back and letting Obama self immolate.

Why add fuel to the fire and allow the state run media to point to them as the cause of Obama's failure?

No, they're finally being smart. Remember, the Alinsky tactic of pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.

The Marxists can't do that if the target is millions of pissed off citizens. They've tried demonizing the health care and tea party protesters and only made themselves look like a bunchy of bullying assholes.

Posted by: Warden at September 01, 2009 12:10 PM (KXbGD)

83 #62.

Methinks that if a few more buildings get knocked down, there is going to be a wave of nostalgia for Bush's "You're with us or you're with the terrorists" rhetoric.

Suddenly, closing down Guantanamo bay, preventing the CIA from interrogating terrorists, and that sort of thing isn't going to be so popular.

Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 12:10 PM (YpVHs)

84 I am cautiously optimistic. Reagan's lowest approval rating came during the height of the Iran-Contra Affair. He was at 44%. He was never able to bring it back over 53%. However, this came toward the end of his 2nd term. We still have miles and miles to go with Barry O. I do think this is the time to hammer the hell outta him. Try to keep it as low as possible and do as much damage as we can now. But if the economy improves one iota, or any other unforseen event not of Obama's making helps people out, his approvals can sky rocket. So, yay! For today.

Posted by: di butler at September 01, 2009 12:10 PM (bP+aw)

85

 have to admit, the thought of Palin delivering a humiliating defeat to Obama and the democrats in 2012 is perhaps the sweetest avenge fantasy I've ever engaged in.

 

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Posted by: Jay at September 01, 2009 12:10 PM (/ZX77)

86 All presidents fall from their honeymoon highs, but in the history of polling, no newly elected American president has fallen this far this fast.

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Again, normal people don't think that way.

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Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 12:15 PM (YpVHs)

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I think you have that backwards.  He'll be an unpopular President for the next 3 years because of the misery he causes.  The American people have no duty to prop up the lout.

Posted by: Methos at September 01, 2009 12:17 PM (b34Vz)

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Posted by: Roland "TrailBlazer" Burris at September 01, 2009 12:17 PM (V9SYy)

91 The extreme left may make a lot of noise, but they are not the majority of Dem voters.
Posted by: GarandFan at September 01, 2009 11:35 AM (qKTIT)

They are the entirety of the Democratic party, though. Even the so-called Blue Dogs knew Obama was a flaming Marxist, but they rallied behind him and his policies. He was deliberately vague about the specifics of "change," but the Democrats knew. They kept their mouths shut in exchange for pork and campaign money to get reelected. The whole ship is going down.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at September 01, 2009 12:18 PM (rrxDo)

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Posted by: harleycowboy at September 01, 2009 12:18 PM (JKGfQ)

93 Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 12:06 PM (YpVHs)
If Obama were capable of competently managing the economy, foreign policy, or a variety of internal crises, then his popularity probably wouldn't be eroding to begin with.

Ummmm... thanks for the insight Captain Obvious.

I don't follow the point of your comments, at least insofar as they were a response to mine. I almost didn't catch it was a response to me. Feel free to address me as krakatoa, or even krak, rather than "#57".

Yes, an unpopular president is a generally bad thing.

Worse thing? A truly bad president.

Best thing moving forward?  (and the point of my comments) A clear distinction in the next two election cycles between big-tent pandering and focused policy resulting in solid Conservative wins.

Trying to out-pander the Dems is largely what brought us to our current state of affairs.

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Posted by: David Brooks at September 01, 2009 12:23 PM (V9SYy)

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Posted by: harleycowboy at September 01, 2009 12:24 PM (JKGfQ)

97 Polls, shmolls.  Nothing is going to stop Lightworker and his co-conspirators in the House and Senate from taking this country down the path to ruination. 

The only difference between this dude and The Mustache (Zelaya) is that when Zelaya made his blatant grab for power the rest of the government stood up to him.  'Not so confident that we will enjoy that level of protection from our asshat. 

Posted by: Y-not, grumpy from all the friggin' SoCal smoke at September 01, 2009 12:24 PM (sey23)

98 Charles Johnson is right up there with the Lyndon LaRouche, Marshall Applewhite and Rev. Jim Jones on the sanity scale.  That egotistical fuck just needs to go away.

Posted by: Crusty at September 01, 2009 12:25 PM (GvSpB)

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Posted by: shoey at September 01, 2009 12:27 PM (RxUMK)

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Posted by: Mr. Pink at September 01, 2009 12:28 PM (SqAkN)

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Posted by: Obama's falling poll numbers at September 01, 2009 12:30 PM (lDdA/)

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Eh... i passed on that. That's an open-blog kind of thing. You can't really say that Obama had much to do with that, except that he approved the system that allows people to post there as they wish.

I'm not against that. It's sort of democratic and anyone with a comments system (like me) is allowing that sort of thing, including comments or posts you disagree with or are way over the line.

My opinion may change if the post remains up. The WH has been alerted to it by Gateway Pundit and etc. If they leave it up, they are de facto endorsing it.

Posted by: ace at September 01, 2009 12:33 PM (d6tLI)

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Posted by: TheresaD at September 01, 2009 12:38 PM (iGCmo)

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The War on Terror is being run into the ground by a hard leftist appeaser, our CIA is crippled by a douchey Attorney General's crusade against using second-hand smoke against an Islamofacist murderer, the deficit is set to go supernova any nanosecond and domestic policy is rapidly drifting into soft socialism. 

So what am I most concerned about?  Sarah Palin's debate style points and intelleigent design squabbles in some podunk school district in Oklahoma.

If you disagree with me, you're an idiotarian.

Now listen to a Regina Spektor song.

Posted by: selrahC nosnhoJ at September 01, 2009 12:44 PM (8n1j5)

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I would actually prefer that; the major problem would be Pelosi being so close....

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at September 01, 2009 12:45 PM (VKn7o)

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Perhaps some sort of natural disaster that he could throw huge dollars at with Absolute Moral Authority granted by the MSM would allow him a small sustainable rally, but weighed against the balance of his failures, I don't think it would be worth that many points.

Yeah, that worked out so well with Bush and Katrina.  (Of course the MSM used that as a cudgel to bludgeon Bush with).

Posted by: runningrn at September 01, 2009 12:47 PM (D2il9)

107 Oh, and I got a new survey from the RNC about top issues.  Crap and Trade and Health Care reform weren't even mentioned under economic or domestic issues.  The Republicans suck!

Posted by: runningrn at September 01, 2009 12:48 PM (D2il9)

108 35 Damn shame we have no leadership.  Forget Sarah, she's been demonized.

Posted by: dan in michigan at September 01, 2009 11:43 AM (88w67) 

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Posted by: Hiltop at September 01, 2009 12:58 PM (5EbLC)

109 41 I assume Obama's mad teleprompter skillz will garner a couple of points bump on 9/11 but the trend is all bad,, or good, as it were.
Posted by: toby928 at September 01, 2009 11:44 AM (PD1tk)

He's turned it into a recruiting day for his Civilian National Security Force AKA brownshirts. I remember how he behaved as a candidate on 911, too, not to mention how he demagogued the Iraq War. People are sick of his speeches.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at September 01, 2009 01:00 PM (fHe8c)

110 Well and good, but these polls honestly don't matter.  Obama has scheduled his stimulus to pump massive amounts on money (can you say, buy votes with borrowed money?  Yes we can!) just in time for the 2010 and 2012 elections.  Yes, his policies will generate double digit inflation and unemployment, but the people who actually vote for him (blacks, hispanics, union thugs, welfare queens) couldn't care less as long as they get their free stuff.   Add in the fact that there will be massive voter fraud (thanks, ACORN) and voter intimidation (thanks, NBP) and a compliant MSM that Obama owns in all but name and I don't think the One is worried about the next elections.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at September 01, 2009 01:01 PM (uwhGJ)

111 You just listed the Democratic base. That's not enough, if Obama can't get moderates and Independents on board. The GOP base more or less sat out 2008; they are motivated now that they know who Obama is. Especially seniors.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at September 01, 2009 01:04 PM (fHe8c)

112 Sarah Palin is visiting Asia, according to the Washington Post. She is boning up on foreign policy and making money speaking.

The former Alaska governor will visit Hong Kong to address the CLSA Investors Forum, a well-known annual conference of global investment managers, the host announced Monday.

Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Alan Greenspan have spoken at the event, hosted by brokerage and investment group CLSA Asia-Pacific Markets.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at September 01, 2009 01:07 PM (fHe8c)

113 I'm dipping my imaginary balls in the goodness of this poll.

Posted by: MrsPaulsImaginaryFishSticks at September 01, 2009 01:10 PM (iYbLN)

114 the people who actually vote for him (blacks, hispanics, union thugs, welfare queens) couldn't care less as long as they get their free stuff. 

Conservatives also underestimate how much glee folks on the Dem plantation get out of watching everyone else loose their stuff, regardless of how much or what kind of "free stuff" they get.  Sure, they'll have to wait six months to see a doctor, but so will all those evil rich whiteys who think they're hot stuff  'cause they have a job and a house and and know their babies' daddies and shiz.  You're not better'n me!

Posted by: HeatherRadish at September 01, 2009 01:10 PM (NtiET)

115 Listing the chain of succession always cracks me up. That even embarrasses my committed leftist friends. I grew up in WV, and they tease me about that, redneck jokes and racist shit. Then I point out that we put Robert C. Byrd AKA The Grand Kleagle in office, but they put him fourth in line from the White House. You have President Wee Weed, Sheriff Joe Biden, Botox Granny, The Grand Kleagle and Hildabeast. It's like the effin' Legion of Doom.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at September 01, 2009 01:13 PM (fHe8c)

116 he people who actually vote for him (blacks, hispanics, union thugs, welfare queens) couldn't care less as long as they get their free stuff. 

For the most part these people can't get off their asses to vote unless someone picks them up, feeds them and actually rolls them into the voting booth.  Oh wait, that's ACORN's job.

Posted by: MrsPaulsImaginaryFishSticks at September 01, 2009 01:14 PM (iYbLN)

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Posted by: UGAdawg at September 01, 2009 01:14 PM (ev309)

118 #89

I'm not saying the fall in Obama's popularity isn't deserved. . .to the contrary, I think it is.    I'm just saying that regardless of the reason, all else being equal, an unpopular POTUS isn't good for the country.

The implication here is that popularity is not the best measure of a President's effectiveness, nor even necessarily a good measure.  An effective President can be unpopular (and vice versa).

I agree with the last bit.  The American people have no duty to support an incompetent POTUS.     While in general, I think its better for the USA to have a popular leader than not, in this particular case to the extent that being unpopular hurts Obama's ability to enact his socialist agenda, I prefer his growing unpopularity.

#57 Krak,
My post doesn't seem like a response to yours because I essentially agree with you.

I can imagine implausible scenarios where foreign policy actions might boost Obama's popularity, but given that his foreign policy team is made of hard-core leftists and appeasers, and that so far every foreign policy instinct the current administration has had has been wrong, I just don't see this happening.  To the contrary, I think Obama has potentially set himself up for some major foreign policy disasters that could erode his popularity further (eg a la Carter and Iran).

The only plausible thing that I think might cause a durable spike in Obama's popularity is some sort of real economic recovery.  I'm not going to make a prediction on whether or not that's going to happen during the next three years, but I don't see it in the next year.

Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 01:15 PM (YpVHs)

119
The Conservative grassroots may be banging a few teapots - but GOP itself has not even begun to engage. My question is this a strategy or incompetence?

It's probably incompetence. But when you enemy is busily destroying himself, your best strategy is to do nothing. Much like the Islamofascists and the Chicoms are doing with us now.

Posted by: Brown Line at September 01, 2009 01:17 PM (VrNoa)

120

>>>Perhaps some sort of natural disaster that he could throw huge dollars at with Absolute Moral Authority granted by the MSM would allow him a small sustainable rally, but weighed against the balance of his failures, I don't think it would be worth that many points.

>Yeah, that worked out so well with Bush and Katrina.  (Of course the MSM used that as a cudgel to bludgeon Bush with).

I think that's all the difference, really.

Were he POTUS at the time, would the Obama administration's response to Katrina really been any better than Bush's?  

Probably not, though the exact same press that castigated Bush, would have likely ignored any shortcomings by Obama.

Posted by: looking closely at September 01, 2009 01:21 PM (YpVHs)

121 You know, if another iconic Democrat were to die, it could help us... How's Senator Byrd doing? On second thought he might not be the right one. Does anyone here know how successful President Clinton's operation was and whether he's now eating a healthier diet?  

Posted by: President Obama at September 01, 2009 01:32 PM (ZoHK4)

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Not yet, but I'll let you know!

Posted by: Dum-Dum the NYMEX Genius at September 01, 2009 01:34 PM (DrB2V)

123

I suppose he could give one of those "the people who knocked these buildings down" lines at the site of the next attack and soar to those lofty 90% Bush levels.

Well, the problem there is that Obama wants to be friends with the people that knocked those buildings down.

"The people who knocked these buildings down will be hearing from all of us soon . . . at the negotiating table!"

Posted by: tsj017 at September 01, 2009 02:46 PM (4YUWF)

124 Congress needs to declare a 18 month recess.  That should get things back on track.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 01, 2009 03:46 PM (da19f)

125 67 Forget Sarah, she's been demonized.

No.  That's exactly why I'm going to continue to support her, unless there is someone else an order of magnitude better (zombie reagan).  This is war, and we should make their defeat in 2012 as bitter a pill as possible for Obama's supporters, particularly the media.

Posted by: Methos

Tell it, Methos.  Sarah could easily draw thousands to a rally on a moment's notice.  Her PAC is still raking it in, and she's completing the final 15 percent of her book, which comes out in the spring.  And while the lily-livered Repubs sit idly by, she'll continue to snark at Zero via Twitter and FB (with the occasional assist by teh Liz and Darth Cheney).

Posted by: Rush Babe at September 01, 2009 04:31 PM (LKkE8)

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You're welcome to any of 'em.  Rudy's a gun grabber; Mitt's a flipper; and Cantor is married to a lobbyist and he does the lobby cocktail party circuit.  That's all I need to know.  Plus, the latter has a personality as exciting as cardboard.

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