1 Please make the ads stop!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASEEEEEEE.... Thank you, Enron Diego

2 I'd like to believe that George Will is being crazy like a fox, wants to provide Obama some "conservative cover" to let Obama do what his natural instincts dictate he should, and then watch Obama's poll numbers dive even lower.

Of course, in reality, he's probably just been recently snubbed from some cocktail party and needs to bolster his credentials with the NYC-DC elites, and this will get him an invite to the next party.

3 I'm waiting on his 10,000 word essay on the whimsy of cooking meth.

4

Posted by: enron diego at September 01, 2009 12:19 AM (NqVjl)

Needs more lacewigs.

5 I couldn't care less about George Will and baseball, but the dreaded Thread Truncation of Death has destroyed the ONT and everything else that looks good.

6 I'm waiting for Wills' autobiographical accounts of screwing Desiree Cousteau in a hot tub in the 1970s when he was a porn star.

7

Uncle Jimbo --

  Dude.  Let's stop throwing people overboard, eh?  I know this new interwebs thing is all awesome and such, and we get to shout here and be all bad ass and say f^(& you to all those jerks who got to set policy before, but here's the thing:  there are such things as conservative ideals.  Once we had awesome tall men -- RWR and WFBjr -- to define them.  Back when only they could get air time, they set the pace.  Now, we can all get air time.  Also, Messrs RWR and WFBjr are dead.  So we get to say whatever the f%& we want.  Boo - f@#$ing - yah.  Except, here's the thing.  Someone who grew up under WFBjr, and who helped nurture RWR into saving the f#%#ng world -- may have something to say about, as Governor RWR put it in his 1976 campaign, "our foreign policy program for the coming administration."  David Brooks -- confirmed douche.  Peggy Noonan -- awesome, awesome supporter whose admiration for the glories of the gloriousness of the potential of the oval office have somewhat blinded her recently.  David Frum -- really; I refuse to admit into the presence of my thought.  HOWEVER:  George Will? Right about everything, 89.2 percent of the time, always.  He was to the RIGHT OF RWR on arms control and missile defense.  George Will is always right.  And if not, he's always right the f%^& there.  So let me, for George Will, give you a big STFU.  If he's talking, God damn it, you listen, and don't dick back.

Otherwise, big fan.  But old Tory MP George Will has a much bigger c&*k than you do, so STFU and take that slap across your jaw.

8

Otherwise, big fan.  But old Tory MP George Will has a much bigger c&*k than you do, so STFU and take that slap across your jaw.

Posted by: Shep at September 01, 2009 12:56 AM (wnMoI)

Do you have weird dreams about George Will?

9
Posted by: Shep at September 01, 2009 12:56 AM (wnMoI)

Yep, this Will bashing is growing mighty fuck'n old. If you disagree with him, fine, deconstruct his argument but don't piss all over him.

10 I think I read about this somewhere before.  Some obscure blog called AoSHQ, maybe?

11 You know, maybe I came across too harsh.  George Will has been a solid conservative over the years.  This is true.

I'm not sure if that means he's correct in this instance.  Maybe what I hope is actually the truth of the matter, rather than the cynical idea about him wanting to hit up parties.

12 Why don't we just relocate the prawns to Afghanistan?

13 OMG!

After reading Will's plan ("from offshore, using intelligence, drones, cruise missiles, airstrikes and small, potent special forces units, concentrating on the porous 1,500-mile border with Pakistan"), I have only one thing to say: The MacNamara Line.

14

8

David Brooks says that George Will has the biggest pants crease he's ever seen.

15 Post Script. Shep? Get back on the meds. Seriously.

16 And Shep, no one is right all the time.  George is just one more voice on the landscape and sounds like he just wants to lose with fewer casualties in the near term.  Unless your willing to watch more Americans die in our streets, you must see that his 'strategy' is as UJ said, utterly worthless.

17 Wasn't this Oberleutnant Murtha's (D, Crook, PA) plan? To pull out of Iraq and fight it from "over the horizon".

18 Sorry Shep, but Uncle Jimbo is right. I know dick all about this. I need to be slapped every once in a while.

19

Almost all of the "conservative" talking heads were initially dismissive of the Town Hall Meeting protestors. The few that weren't - Limbaugh, Steyn, Levin and (yes) Hannity proved themselves to me.

Will, Krauthammer and a number of others were not as clarvoyant as they imagined themselves to be. They spun into smug condescension and derision of these people.

It was the average hardworking and decent American who saved us from a terrible disaster, and not our self-proclamed "oracles" from inside the Beltway.

20

First of all, the bitch slapping was alegorical.  I refuse to imagine any of the images I may accidentally have evoked.

More to, and especially to, the point:  I'm not arguing that George Will is always right (even though I suggested that, in italics, above; that was exuberance; my apologies).  My point was this, and just this:  George Will has been a keeper of the conservative torch since there was a torch to keep conservative.  Yes, he's sometimes wrong.  Sometimes very wrong.  (I could dig up a column or two of his in the wake of Reykjavik that would prove this.)  But in the vastness of things, he's not only been right, but the beacon of right.  For the right, and the Right.  So if he now says, as the culmination of what he's been throat-clearing about, since 2002, that our entire aggressive strategy might have been something that a free people, who love liberty first and foremost might want to thing about, ... well, I think that our response might be, not to write him out, but to take seriously the ideas of a leader of the conservative world. 

If we want to matter again, and want to win again, perhaps we should make our ideas coherent again.  And doing that will require thinking hard about things we take for granted.  Not blowing off our leaders.

21 People need to quit sucking Will's dick. Does he do some good work? Sure. Is he wrong on this? Fuckin' A. He rates a kick in the nuts here. He's old enough to remember the last few times we were forced to cut and run, as well as the consequences. Have a problem with the mission, that's fine, let's find a better way to complete the mission. Pants pissers should be asked to leave the room. Obama is a slimy cunt, but the mission and the troops come first. All this does is give heart to our enemies.

22 I don't want a rep as a basher of our team, however when a brilliant member of our team, who has done tons of good over many years on many topics, decides to opine on something he knows dick about, and in doing so gives ammo to the ass bandits who tried to lose Iraq and would love to lose A-Stan, shouldn't I call him out for stepping on his Georgeson with his spikes? (apologies to all the gods of punctuation).

George should STFU about A-Stan and discuss the history of pinstripes as a baseball metaphor about Wall Street and stay out of arguments that make him seem stupid.

Cordially,

Uncle J

23

Well Shep, thanks for the cover,  but  I know DICK ALL about what goes on over there and how to help.

Really. And I say that with all due respect to myself.

24 George will isn't my leader. He's just another swinging dick, albeit a published swinging dick. I don't owe him shit.

25

Texas Jew: 

You wrote: 

Almost all of the "conservative" talking heads were initially dismissive of the Town Hall Meeting protestors. The few that weren't - Limbaugh, Steyn, Levin and (yes) Hannity proved themselves to me.

Will, Krauthammer and a number of others were not as clarvoyant as they imagined themselves to be. They spun into smug condescension and derision of these people.

It was the average hardworking and decent American who saved us from a terrible disaster, and not our self-proclamed "oracles" from inside the Beltway.

Here's Mark Steyn, tonight, from NRO-Corner:

Rich, Kathryn et al, I'm less hostile to the George Will column. It seems to me we have no very clear war aims in Afghanistan, which is never a good position to be in.

Are we "nation-building"? With US commanders talking about ending Afghanistan's "culture of poverty", it sounds like it. Yet, even assuming you could build a nation in any meaningful sense of the word on Afghan soil, such a nation would be profoundly uncongenial to us.

Are we there just to quarantine al Qaeda in their Pakistani redoubts and whack any bad guys who wander in range? That might be worthwhile, but is a tough sell to Nato forces who (excepting Brits, Canucks and a couple of others) operate under ludicrously constrained rules of engagement. So the "nation-building" facade is necessary to square it with the multilateral types.

The much misunderstood British strategy in Afghanistan was, by contrast, admirably clear-sighted, and worked (for them) for over a century. They took a conscious decision not to incorporate the country formally within the Indian Empire because they didn't want a direct British land border with Russia. So instead they were content with a highly decentralized semi-client state and a useful buffer between the British Empire and the Tsars, a set-up that worked well (from London's point of view) for over a century until it all fell apart in the Sixties when Moscow started outbidding the Brits for the loyalty of various factions - or what passes for loyalty in that part of the world.

The British strategy was cold and calculated and, if you care about Afghan child mortality rates and women's rights, very unprogressive. But it was less deluded than asking western troops to die in pursuit of the chimera of ending a "culture of poverty" while in reality providing multilateral window-dressing for the country's slippage back to warlordism and Sharia.

What are the goals here? Maybe the President could tell us. Or are we just going to (to cite the definitive film on the subject) Carry On Up The Khyber?

Now:  will we write Mark Steyn off as well?  I overstated my case -- true facts -- when I said that George Will is never wrong.  Of course he is.  I was, perhaps, over-expressive.  But:  are you, is Uncle Jimbo, going to write George Will off?  You shouldn't.  We shouldn't.  We can't.  If we wish to win the country again -- which is the only way to keep in free -- we have to respond to,  and account for, the wisdom of our greatest living statesmen, not dismiss them out of hand.  So George Will's not one of our greatest living statesmen?  Awesome.  Name another, and what he thinks.  Or STFU about my analysis of the current situation.

 

26 Will is entitled to his opinion as is any other columnist.
Past administration did drive Taliban out and things started to get worse as the feckless Paki's ceded more control of the Pashtun lands. to them....in spite of the billions provided in US aid. As long as Pstan is next door...Taliban will have a safe haven.
BHO lacks the desire and fortitude for a real war and is more concerned about perception vs. reality.
Astan is not a country in a true sense, but a collection of tribes. If the Afghanistani's want a democracy, give them guns and let them fight for it.
If they won't die for their own, why should we ?
The IRAQ war made much more sense from a strategic perspective.
I don't believe we should "cut and run", the democrat approach to security, but we should be very skeptical about wasting the lives of our troops and resources in a sink hole.
IRAQ as a democracy is an irritant to Syria and Iran,
it has oil, population, and was a viable country in spite of Sadam. Astan- little infrastructure, almost no institutions and a bunch of warring tribes- exoprt of value herion...
Astan is a democracy - big deal.

27 Greatest living statesman?

28 George Will has been beyond his "sell date" for over a couple of decades now. He might have done good at points in the past, but now I see him as just another face in the barking pundit crowd that's allowed to sit at the cool kids table as long as he promises to remain ineffective, or even damaging to most elements of conservatism.

29 27 Greatest living statesman? Posted by: carl hungus at September 01, 2009 01:33 AM (dwjQ+) Don't stop him - he's on a roll..

30 The most effective way to get them is using SF to gather intelligence, the Rangers to patrol in small, lethal, teams to find them.  Then air cav and air assault by helicopter troops go where needed to kill them.  Throw in some AH-1 Cobras and A10's to kill them when the group together.
Find
Fix
Fight

The only large forces we need is one's to guard the air fields and bases.
But what to I know.
I am not a DC cocktail party guest wannabees.

31 Damn, Unc, you are stirrin' the pot today.

FWIW, I was fine with your questions about Glen Beck.  Odd how people levelled the nasty for you daring to ask a question.  Now we are seeing the same shit happen regarding George Will.  Somebody even drug out the homo crap early in the thread.

I know he's not a tactical genius.  Probably short on logistics, armaments and everything else you mil folks know.  But he understands the obvious:  with quitters in charge, you will not win.

Shit, even I can understand that.  And I know less about baseball than George Will.

32 25 Huge fan of Steyn and he makes some good points.
As I said in another post, we let politics drive the military and hand-cuff our soldiers with reducuilous rules of engagement that further put their lives at risk.
Perhaps it would be better and cheaper to station a few thousand predators in place over Astan and Pastan and "forget" about nation building.

33

Uncle J --

  So George Will knows dick about A-stan.  Why?  He never served there?  Did he know dick about Poland in 1978?  He never served in the Fulda Gap. Did he know dick about the arms arrangements under Kissinger in 1974-77?  He was never part of detente.  Did he know dick about the Panama Canal; I've never seen him in one of those hats.  Did he know dick about ... you see my point.  You may or may not have local knowledge about A-stan.  You may or may not be right or wrong about your particular point -- your take on his article.  Are you right to be dismissive of George Will?  I think you're wrong to be dismissive, and I -- (just for bona fides sake) want desperately for us to get the damned country back -- think that you are hurting this country's safety when you refuse to admit the possibility of wisdom in behalf of one the paragons of conservative wisdom.  If the Right is going to win again, you'll have your voice, but you'll also have to do a lot of STFU if your first response to George Will's thoughts are STFU.

34 You're right, it's a master-stroke, leave, then we'll win!
George Will looks like he needs to take a big Christmas shit, it looks painful.

35

Well, this thread got weird in a hurry.

36 Leave George Will alone you denim wearing proles.

37

TexasJew --

  My apologies.

38 Steyn has a good point....

39 Slightly off topic, but I wanna know, after two of the deadliest months we've ever had in Afghanistan, where all the anti-war protests are...


...perhaps Burning Man?

40 George should STFU about A-Stan and discuss the history of pinstripes as a baseball...

Uncle J, I am honestly curious though -

Even if we dismiss Will what about Anthony Cordesman? Cordesman explicitly states that Obama is starving the war effort.

1. Do you think we should continue a large strategic presence in Afghanistan even if Obama purposely denies necessary personnel and equipment?

2. What could Obama do that would lead you to believe it is a bad idea to maintain the large presence?

41 Succinct, and brilliantly accurate.

42 If we pull out of Afghanistan, there will be Splodydopes detonating at malls all over the country within 5-7 years. 

These people understand only one thing - firepower.  To them, weakness is something to be exploited.  Period.

We made the same mistake in not responding strongly to the embassy bombings in Africa and OBL was emboldened by that.  He was similarly emboldened by the abrupt Somalia pullout.

How many times can you beg a pack of hyenas to attack you before they take a serious shot at it?

Maybe an Afghan pullout wouldn't be the final straw, maybe it'll be the next betrayal or retreat, or the one after that, but it will sure as the sun rises tomorrow, be something that makes their decision for them that the Americans are pussied up enough again that a major attack plan gets green lighted and set in motion.

43 Shep: while I certainly wouldn't put Will in the same dumpster as Brooks and Frum, he has not had his good fastball in 20 years or so, and the column at hand is just more evidence of this.

Now is not the right time to write a column that, whatever its motivation, only serves to give aid and comfort to the Left.

Nevertheless, I am not going to throw him under the Moron bus. I am merely going to continue to ignore him utterly.

44 George Will is the only honest conservative writer in the country.

45 Honesty is determined by if you agree with me or not.

Also, where's the polls?

46 I'll stand with Will and Steyn on this one. 

Either (a) decide realistically what you're going to do, marshal the troops and materiel, and do it or (b) declare victory and go home. 

There was once a rational fragment to the Dem party that made the argument that Iraq was a blunder because it caused us to take our eye off the ball in A'stan.  They were right, at least insofar as the inability of the Bush DoD to manage two small wars (for that's what they were, and are) simultaneously. 

If we aren't willing thoroughly to reevaluate the strategy and commit 110% of the resources needed to do the job completely, then it's fruitless to run around playing Whack-A-Beard indefinitely. 

47 If we had a CIC in office worth a darn, Will would be wrong.
But we don't, and he isn't.

48 Even if we dismiss Will what about Anthony Cordesman? Cordesman explicitly states that Obama is starving the war effort.

Posted by: Iskandar at September 01, 2009 02:13 AM (uAJI5)

There's no doubt that The Precedent is trying to sabotage the war effort in Afghanistan.  That's what traitors do.  Ever since it became public knowledge that we were mirandizing detainees in Afghanistan it was clear that the Washington junta's attack on the military was coming into full swing.  But Afghanistan is important.  Not to build a governemt, there - I couldn't care less about nation-building for them; that isn't our job.  The importance of Afghanistan is its placement between the two most problematic nuclear pieces of the arab/persian/muslim world. 

Will's problem is that he doesn't turn his focus to where the real fight is - in Washington.  Cheney fired the first big shots, very bluntly stating that The Precedent and his administration are acting against the security interests of the US, but people like Will and others were supposed to follow through, not call for a surrender on the war front.  The Precedent wants the US to suffer and he is perfectly happy to just take this nation apart.  If he is allowed to cause these problems and get reactions that endanger us all, then we will lose.  The Precedent is a political suicide bomb who wants to take the US down with him.

I would just note for those who had problems with military personnel filing eligibility cases against The Precedent - this sort of situation is exactly why they did it, and this is also exactly the sort of situation that John Jay was worried about when he called for only natural-born citizens to be Commander-in-Chief.

I would just add that a pullout from Afghanistan would be looked at, in the arab/persian/muslim world, as such a stupendous win on their part that we'd have jihadis crawling out of the woodwork, everywhere.  Nothing gets those savages excited like the idea that they're winning.

49 Please make the ads stop!!

Please don't. I'd rather Ace get more ads than another worthless weblog award.

As long a Ace makes some money off this "smart milblog", I don't care if they even advertise this crap.

50 Slightly off topic, but I wanna know, after two of the deadliest months we've ever had in Afghanistan, where all the anti-war protests are...

Hopefully, they're taking a shower - with soap this time.

51
George Will and the other puffed up, blue-blood, sneering, bow-tie-wearing, country club shitheels in Washington can kiss my rebel dick.
I'm tired of the corduroy sport coat Republican eggheads.

The manicured, pedicured intellectual conservatives, living behind high walls and locked gates. Arguing about we peasants' lives like they are discussing an ant farm.

All these assholes that looked down their noses through their smart glasses at the Tea Party Movement will not be forgotten. We know that they will heap scorn on honest everyday Americans right along with their liberal cocktail party buddies.

I'm surprised that sour-faced old schoolmarm Will took time out from bemoaning bluejeans and clinking cocktail glasses with other Washington snobs to actually write.

All Afghanistan needs for victory is full mobilization, loose rules of engagement, and a President that doesn't give a flying fuck what the NYT or the filthy terrorist bastards think.

This President has a sick fetish for Islam and beats off to the New York Times when he isn't whackin' it to his own picture.

This war will be lost at home, here, in the halls of Washington. By filthy old hippies and communists.

Just like Vietnam.

But I'm simple.

52 and the ads are making me dizzy.

but...

Viva Capitalism!

53
Ysterday i bought a rolex watches to my father,he was very like it He asked me hou can there be so much money to buy so expensive watch ,I told he ,this is a replica watches but it's better than a real rolex watches  and  omega watches bad and it is also very durable and beautiful
but the price it's a lot cheaper.

54 If we pull out of Afghanistan, there will be Splodydopes detonating at malls all over the country within 5-7 years.

When I make this argument, I'm usually branded a "fear monger". Probably, by no coincidence, this is consistent w/ the MSM's take as well.

They say in football that a good defense is the best offense.

But IMO, terrorism is different. A good offense is the best defense.

Another difference: You want all your games to be "road games". There is no home field advantage against terrorists.

This is why Will is wrong.

Can I call him names now?

55 Ysterday i bought a rolex watches to my father,he was very like it He asked me hou can there be so much money to buy so expensive watch ,I told he ,this is a replica watches but it's better than a real rolex watches  and  omega watches bad and it is also very durable and beautiful
but the price it's a lot cheaper.

56 Will's problem is that he doesn't turn his focus to where the real fight is - in Washington.

Really? I thought it was clearly implied.

The Precedent wants the US to suffer and he is perfectly happy to just take this nation apart.

If true why would we wish to maintain a waning land-based force then? If you believe his actions are malicious, why should we want frontline stationing of troops?

Again, my previous questions: how can you expect victory over insurgents if the Admin is denying critical M/M? Is it a matter of having our combined forces tough it out for 3 more years?

Second, what would Obama have to do for you to say that a insufficient force left to hang is not a good idea? Short of the ridiculous, what would he have to do to make this a non-issue; change ROE to the UN's standards?

I would just add that a pullout from Afghanistan would be looked at, in the arab/persian/muslim world, as such a stupendous win

Not disputed, but we aren't necessarily motivated by what the current mood of the street has been particularly the Arab Street. If we are to believe common wisdom, they hate us already. Another false impression isn't going to hinder us much. It will undoubtedly encourage more attacks of convenience and that will come as some surprise to allies like the UK but this is the path Obama has chosen if Will and/or Cordesman is to be believed. Emphasis on the past tense, has chosen.

57 Whoops. I forgot to send resources to Afghanistan.

Sorry. My bad.

Hey! Look at all this money available for my health care plan! I wonder where that came from?

Hmmmm......

58

Posted by: Iskandar at September 01, 2009 03:56 AM (uAJI5)

It's certainly a dilemma, as one would expect with a traitor at the top.  The problem with Afghanistan is the same problem that our spy orgs are facing.  But, shutting them down isn't going to help. 

The situations with Pakistan and Iran are too important and too sensitive to leave them a vaccum to fill.  It's up to the commanders, politicians, and pundits to hit back against The Precedent, and hit back hard. 

I think the question is more along the lines of what level of treachery can The Precedent get to before people start calling for charges against him, publically and loudly?

59 Peter Graff and Andrew Gray, Reuters, Aug.31,'09

"A government that is losing to a counter-insurgency isn't being outfought, it is being out-governed. And that's what's happening in Afghanistan," David Kilcullen, a senior adviser to McChrystal, told Australia's National Press Club.

CBS News on Monday quoted a U.S. military officer in Afghanistan as saying one of the suspected bombers held in an attack last week that killed a U.S. soldier and wounded a CBS journalist might be linked to the Afghan government.

The suspect was found with a cell phone that contained a number to the Defense Ministry in Kabul, which then sent a letter saying the wrong man had been arrested, according to the CBS report.

"We think he was tied to the Ministry of Defense," Lieutenant Colonel Tom Gukeisen told the broadcaster. "Someone in that office began to put political pressure."

60 Meanwhile Gibbs blames Obama's Afghan woes on Bush, for leaving too soon.

61 The situations with Pakistan and Iran are too important and too sensitive to leave them a vacuum to fill.

I'd agree, but we're not talking about a hypothetical administration. And we must be talking past one another.

I thought Will's rubric was about an admin that actually has the will and power to starve the troops' efforts and make a mockery of it all. All the kings men must, must obey the CINC. Will and others are saying that it's not a negotiable point or one that can necessarily be won with finesse by even the greatest of military men.

If Obama has made it clear that he does not want to fulfill the requirements for a successful COIN strategy, why support an endangered footprint?

Again, with resigned and willful knowledge that I sound like a moronic broken record, where's the line?

62 It'll be nauseating tp see Will on Hardon next to Peggy Noonan.

But why do I get the feeling he'd rather do that than sit next to Krauthammer on Fox?

63 What do you expect from a Cub fan? Fuckin' pussy.

64 Was George Will pro- or con- button-downed collars in that whole argument about what is more conservative and what isn't?

65 George Will sucked Jimmy Carter's cock.  Read "The Pursuit of Happiness and Other Sobering Thoughts".

66 That damned red flashing add at the top of the page caused me to suffer an LSD flashback...took me 10 minutes to recover and post  this comment.

67 To fight the bug, we must understand the bug. We can ill afford another Klendathu.

68 Fark G Willy. I've hated him since his anti-denim column. Because I'm the moron who hooks up his DSL so his doesn't have to go to the office and fire up his Corona Selectric(tm). I'm the one who unfreezes his pipes in winter, because the cheap bastard wouldn't pay for heat tape. I do his oil changes in his limo. I feed cattle so he can have a nice steak. He can blow me at the next accident scene, while I clear the wreck for him to get to his man(?))icure.

69
The problem is the perception of weakness in Washington emboldens our enemies and makes a sucessful COIN strategy much harder to implement.

Our allies and potential allies must take into account the consequences of this debate. The conduct of free and open debate in Washington may be misinterperted in the field - ironically increasing troop requirements.

I would almost give these wonks a high side accounts where the could blog away looking smart to each other.

70

What's all this fuss I hear about pulling out an afghan?  It's terrible!  It's much too warm to be sleeping under one of those!  Young people today!

71 Well, if there's one hill we're going to die on, it might as well be bringing post-modernity to Asscrackistan.

Carry on with the armed social work.

This whole prudence thing is overrated anyway.

72

If we want to matter again, and want to win again, perhaps we should make our ideas coherent again.  And doing that will require thinking hard about things we take for granted.  Not blowing off our leaders.

What? George Will is your leader? Sorry, but I make my own choices in life based on a plethora of data. I read a lot of journalists and opinion makers and NEVER have I ever considered one of them a "leader".  Everything everyone says or writes is opinion - including what I'm typing now. You lead by example. By what you actually do in life.

73 His theory is not proven, thus not guilty, of being an ass.

74 Will likely wants us to win, but he sure as hell has no clue how to do it.

I smell the stink of fear and over-thinking.

He seems to be thinking like a baseball manager. He doesn't want to wear out his players in a 15 inning game against an unimportant team on the eve of a 4-game series against a major foe.

He forgets this war is the 4-game series.

75 Cocksucker!

76 Mmmmmm...more goodness -- William Jefferson files for personal chapter 7 bankruptcy...on Malkin.

Late start today...time to go make some $$$ for the man...(yes -- I am a sucker).

77

Cut -N- Run makes me so horny that I want to rub my crotch up against George Wills's pant crease.

 

78 @55 Fire your blurb writer.

79 Posted by: Wu at September 01, 2009 08:52 AM (lAiX2)

Swinjin!

80 If BO's just going to dick around in A'stan for appearance sake until enough American soldiers get killed that he can declare A'stan another "terrible mistake of my predecessor" then, of course, get out now.

If BO is serious about A'stan, will commit the necessary men and material and back them 100% then, of course, stay in.

I know which way I'm betting BO will go.


My problem with George Will is not that he's sometimes wrong, it's that he is exactly the old, effete, bow-tied Brilliantined stick-insect that the left likes in their pet conservatives.

They love that for the TV viewing public he's the face of Conservatism.

81 I want to know what support the administration is giving to the troops in Afghanistan,  and what the current rules of engagement are.   That information has been hard to come by,  although I have seen disquieting rumors and comments on several sites.

I have this silly theory that Obama never does anything GOOD for our nation, and is in fact trying to destroy it right in front of all of us.   Given my theory,  I ask if it is not more likely that he is arranging the Afghanistan situation in such a manner that withdrawal will be the only reasonable option,  and that failure will be blamed on the military,  rather than his own?

I am a midwestern housewife,  so am not well-versed in military matters, so all I can really do is ask what's going on over there.  Maybe some of you guys know answers to my questions.

If Obama has set things up so that it's impossible for our guys to succeed,  then we need to know this.  I don't want to wind up a year from now with lots of our guys dead, Afghanistan deteriorating,  and Obama blaming it on the "limitations" of the military or the "flawed strategy" of Petraeus.   Do I think Obama cynical enough to get American soldiers killed for his own political ends?  You bet.

82 Here's the full article.

http://tiny.cc/sMY3i

It seems all he's saying is let's contain AQ on the Afghan/Pakistan border and forget this nation building shit over there. I'm beginning to think that might be our best option.

83

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84 George Will is the media's #1 pet conservative.  Housebroken and harmless.

David Brooks is being groomed to replace him.

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85 The Russians are really hoping that we stay there a looooong time. The government in Kabul is as corrupt as the one we tried to keep up in Saigon. Afghanistan has NEVER had a central government that extended past the Kabul city limits. The Afghans do NOT want a central government.

86 the grifter-in-chief doesn't give a shit abt. the military or winning wars against islam. he doesn't see a win in afgoneeston as a possibility.
he is a morale buster to the troops in the field.
that is the story.
my heart (and prayers) go out to our brave soldiers fighting around the world w/ this traitorous c.i.c. calling the shots.

87 The government in Kabul is as corrupt as the one we tried to keep up in Saigon.

Which is to say, no worse than the government we keep up in Washington DC

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The Soviet Union lost over 14500 in 10 years.  We unfortunately have lost 813 in 8 years with a totally different result thus far.  Any comparison with the Soviet Union is intellectually ignorant. 

89 I agree that GW is a bad messenger even if you agree with his message.  why do all of the self appointed arbiters of conservatism have that same look.  brooks, frum, will are all the same person.  given our current Administration, getting out of Afghanistan might be a good idea.  GW's column, however, isn't anything that couldn't be written by one of the America hating left.

90 WTF is it with all these "real" conservatives and the homo-obsessed crap they trot out to argue about an article they clearly didn't read?

Fucking mobys.

None of you geniuses answered the obvious question: how do you win when you don't fight to win, don't plan to win, and don't want to win?  That's what we have in this Administration.

91 k-bob has it right.  Will displays no strategic intelligence but does anyone think that the Administration currently directing the war effort is any brighter?  more committed to victory?  I would think it clear the answer is no and, with that the case, GW's rather stupid suggestion of lobbing missiles from offshore may beat the alternative.  I read on another site that Holder had an inkling of the British plan to release the Lockerbie bomber in June and, of course, did nothing.  Anyone still think these folks have any credibility on the issues of the War on Terror?

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So let's see, K-bob: the administration has no will to win, so we should advocate agreeing with it.

 

Brilliant.

93 no, but if it has no will to win and isn't going to even try, I don't think the sacrifice of our soldiers is worth it.  do we have to agree-no, and we can argue for strategies that could win and be successful.    that's what Bush ultimately did with Iraq, no matter what one might think of him.   one could even argue for the strategic reason that forces should stay because of Pahkeeestahn.  I don't see it from this Administration and this Commander in Chief.  George Will may be right but it is for the wrong reasons and it would be insenstive to note the real reason, Obama's weakness as a leader.

94 92

So let's see, K-bob: the administration has no will to win, so we should advocate agreeing with it.

 

Brilliant.

Posted by: HiHo at September 01, 2009 05:11 PM

You can agree with them if you want. Good luck with that.

95 "I read on another site that Holder had an inkling of the British plan to release the Lockerbie bomber in June and, of course, did nothing.  Anyone still think these folks have any credibility on the issues of the War on Terror?"

Or even the national defense.  We'll be lucky to have DC still standing in three more years.

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Has Uncle Jimbo ever benn under enemy fire?

Getting a dildo up his by his ex-wife dosen't count.

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