1

Start with the Philly polling place racial intimidation!!

Go Holder!!!!

Wait,

What?

 

nation of cowards indeed......

 

2 Jesus flippin' Christ, these guys are determined to play havoc with the intelligence community. It's almost as if they WANTED to cripple our intelligence-gathering capabilities.

Wait..ya' think...naaah.

3 Meanwhile, voter abuse at the ballot box goes unprosecuted.

4 Quick!  We're losing the battle on healthcare, let's scare up old BOOOOSH Derangement Syndrome!

5 Can't we just call it a game now and do the chaos thing? 

6 This country is looking more and more like a banana republic every day.

7 black pantheres in, terrorists out

It is so last year to be mean to dictators, terrorists, criminals etc.

Change you can believe in.....go commies

8 no pics....hussein fasting for ramadan

no prayer day
cover up religious figures at religious school
give five minute blessing for ramadan

thank you again 52 per cent of america

9 Go Holder Go!!  This is going to blow up in their faces.  Yeah, the leftists will applaud, but they are not the MAJORITY.  Come on Barry, here's the knife, cut your nuts off!!

10

It's almost as if far left wing America hating radicals are in charge of this administration.

11

Make sure that these cases go to trial

Compose the jury of Noam Chomsky, John le Lerry, Cindy Sheehan, Dickless Durbin, Teddy-the-Hut ( for sobriety, of course !), Michelle ... who can finally be proud, and assorted detritus of the NYT

Ensure proceedings take place in al-Dearborn, with Sharia imams on the bench

Now that'll chill these Infidels.

 

12

 

Thanks to Obama and Holder, two racist enemies of America, our Islamofascist enemies now know even more of our interrogation techniques and proedures.

13 All the barking moonbats must be short stroking all over Mom's basement and staining the carpet with diseased jizz right now.

14 Obama just ended the American Counterterrorism effort started by Bush.

History was indeed made today.

What a disgrace.

All Americans will suffer because of this politically motivated witch hunt, solely designed by Axelrod to blunt the sliding poll numbers of the FALSE MESSIAH BHO

15 I'm so glad history started on 11/4/08... otherwise I might be worried that we'd be like the wealthy, technologically-advanced Athenian hegemony, so viciously partisan and political that it executed six of eight naval commanders after the stunning victory at Arginusae, and wound up losing an entire fucking civilization to dumbshit Spartans.

16

 

We went from George Bush fighting Al Qeada to Obama fighting Rush Limbaugh...

and the CIA.

17 .... IMHO..... well .... let 'em investigate.

Sets the stage for 2012 and the future tax evasion, RICO, bribery, protection racket, blackmail, perjury, sedition, abuse of office and all around general douchebaggery investigations for the NEXT administration.

18

All Americans will suffer because of this politically motivated witch hunt, solely designed by Axelrod to blunt the sliding poll numbers of the FALSE MESSIAH BHO

True, but 52% of them have it coming.

19

 

Is that piece of shit, Ramsey Clark, still alive?

He must be really happy today.

20 Consolidate the base!  Consolidate the base!  Danger, Will Robinson!!

21 Holder, you just might be going too far there pal.

22 Nobody will fall for this distraction. If anything it's going to rile up the town hall meetings even more.

23

All the barking moonbats must be short stroking all over Mom's basement and staining the carpet with diseased jizz right now.

I knew that Bushitler put surveillance equipment in here!

24 I'm sure you all heard that Obama has designated September 11 as National Service Day.He's been in discussion with Acorn, Leftist "ministers" and the usual rabble, on how best to honor? the date. Let's totally forget about any terrorist attack. My bad? I said "terrorist".

25

GOP Senators need to offer an amendment to everything that moves--including Robert Byrd's right cheek, if neccessary, that prohibits the Department of Justice from using funds for this purpose.

This is a very, very dangerous road we're going down here.  Not to mention a colossal waste of time--no jury will ever convict. 

26 This is off topic but might they want privacy on their vacation because they are going to be going on and off the island and having summits with people that they don't want reported?

27 I think the Zero administration has realized Crap and Tax is DOA and Government Health Con is on the rocks. Now is revenge time. Do as much damage as possible for the remainder of the term. And I don't mean ripping all the W's from the keyboards.

28 If we can summon the courage to ensure that no one in America is denied free health care, the world will have no reason left to hate us. We will be safe and secure and healthy and wealthy and wise. There is hope in change, and change in the couch cushions hope. Thus I have spaken. Now I need to wee-wee.

29 This is nothing but a smokescreen to move President BarelyCare off of the tube and behind the scenes. Oh noes!!! Another intelligence/torture of terrorists, who by the way, date back to the 17 sub-humans that bombed the USS Cole. Really? This is all the AG can do to help a brotha out? What a joke and what's worse that this incompetent fraud pretends to understand what he is doing and what he is talking about. I spit on the whole lot of them. I'd do more, but they aren't worthy of it.

30 Threats? We're going to prosecute people for threats?

Deputize all CIA staff as defacto members of the Black Panthers.  Then they'll have complete immunity.

See how easy that was?

Next problem....

31

Yeah, this strategy is a winner. They are tanking in the polls so they are going to make an enemy of the CIA (and all other intel services) and take on not only the top but case officers as well. What could possibly go wrong? When Pelosi tried this it did not work out that well. Short term memory I guess.

My money is on the CIA.

32 Do they realize how bone headed stupid this is?  Outside of Code Pink, I'm willing to guess that the vast majority of Americans don't give a rat's ass about these terrorists.  To prosecute those who tried to protect this country is madness.  Of course, these are the same people who thought it would be a good idea for Zero to throw out the first pitch (throws like a fucking girl) go bowling (bowls like a fucking girl), date night in New York (acts like a fucking girl) and is going to spend the week at Martha's Vineyard (preferred girl destination).  I say throw him in a cage with Vlad Putin.  Pay per view would fund healthcare for a hundred years.
No offense to girls.  Me likey girls. 

33 "KSM was told that his children would be killed"  That's fine with me.  When you are up against stateless enemies who vow "we crave death more than you love life," then the only good handle you've got to defeat them is their families.  See how much a jihadi craves death when he is made to understand that his parents, siblings and children will be targeted.

34 It's almost as if this administration hated the country it's supposed to be leading...

35

Shit, Panetta knows where so many skeletons are buried that he ought to be a coroner. And numb nuts Obama wants even stupider Holder to stage show trials? No wonder Pannetta went ballistic.

When the idiot at Justice starts pissing on midmanagement spooks, there will be a Niagra Falls of leaks that will make everyone in D.C. piss themselves. Hell, those crooks have been at this game for a long time. What's Billy Jeff, Hillary, Dicky Daley, Rezko, Obambi et al have to hide? Plenty.

Holder will head feint toward investigations to appease Obambi's nut job base, find nothing, and then shamelessy retreat, or he'll be so far under the bus that the One's Grandma can't find him.

36 Jonathan Adler called it last Saturday!
http://tinyurl.com/n2vkw7

"Let's see now. Deficit projections are once again on the rise as Obama's approval rating falls. Health-care reform is faltering, climate-change legislation is stalled, and David Axlerod is under fire for his conflicts of interest. Seems like a good time to change the subject. Contents of the CIA inspector general's report on harsh interrogation methods have already leaked, so it won't do the trick. If I were a betting man, I'd expect something else to drop Monday or Tuesday."

37 I think it's about time for a poll on how the American people feel about torturing jihadis.  I can't say that I much care whether faked executions are legal or not.

38 I wouldn't put too much faith in the CIA fighting back. They laid down for Pelosi and she is an idiot. I still say the CIA is infiltrated with leftists.

39 That sound you hear is America's enemies laughing at us.

40

Eric the Holder can grab me from behind and hold onto my big cow udders for the ride of his life.

 

41 The thing about KSM kids being killed was only part of the threat. They finished the threat with "If any more attacks occur in this Country." A little different when the whole "threat" is there, not just parts to serve their purposes.

42

I guess we'd better throw some red meat to the nutroots to distract them from the fact that we're acting like exactly the sort of corporate whores we always accuse the GOP of being.

Wait, did I say that out loud?

43 Attention defense attorneys--I'd run a continuous loop of people jumping from the WTC behind my desk for the duration of any trial.

44

Threats? We're going to prosecute people for threats?

Um, yeah.

Obviously you haven't seen the polling on health care. The lunatic base must be appeased...

45

What they are looking for is a couple of people in the CIA they can threaten sufficiently to get them to swear (in return for immunity) that Cheney and Bush told them personally to do whatever.

When things get really bad for Obama, this will be the next stage.  But right now, they have to get their "witnesses" lined up.

46 The saddest thing about this is that many libertarians who are of the same midset as conservatives when it comes to the role of government in our lives will also cheer this.

47

i miss the old cia, they would have drugged Holder, planted him in a Las Vegas Hotel room with a dead hooker then called the news media with an anonymous tip.  Reporters arrive, Holder in room with dead hooker, problem solved.

 

Instead the CIA is filled with a bunch of fairies except for the men targeted in this investigation. They are what is left of the CIA's balls.

48
Meghan McCain fucks like a fat girl!

49 Among the horrors: Just after 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was told that his children would be killed if "anything else happened" in the US. There are also claims that top terrorists were threatened with executions (mock executions), guns, and a power-drill.

From my reading the mock executions were simply having someone fire off a pistol in the adjacent room during an ongoing interrogation. I wouldn't consider any of this actual torture - it was more psychological theater, letting the detainee fill in the details with his own fears.

Letting someone be afraid of being tortured or killed != actually torturing or killing them. Huge difference.

50 This circus is only a charade, to apply pressure on a hidden target... within the CIA organization itself, or a party with a vested interest in things that might be revealed during an investigation.

A move on the chessboard. The Obama machine means to consolidate power.

51

Attention defense attorneys--I'd run a continuous loop of people jumping from the WTC behind my desk for the duration of any trial.

yeah those two people holding hands on the way down makes me as mad right now typing about it as i was when i saw it on a tv at my highschool when it happened.

52 I want to hear Obama arrogantly telling the American people (in his angry lecturing manner) that it's shameful to SCARE terrorists.

Speaking as a Midwest grandma,  that is not impressive to me.  I thought we were supposed to scare terrorists!   At least,  if not kill them!

I liked it when President Bush had the list with pictures in his desk drawer and would mark a big X through them when they were caught or killed.

53 Don't fsck with spooks. They are paid the big bucks to know what mouths to listen to, and in what ear they want those mouths whispering.

Hey, the CIA might be able to find that birth certificate and college records Barry Milhouse Dunham has managed to have suppressed.

54 Ace, sorry for sticking this in a comment, I tried your email address and the google gods bounced it.  Drop me a note if you can, I'm interested in finding a way to give you MONEY for supporting the AoS.  Seriously.

55 Who the fuck passed holder at the bar, oh I forgot affirmative action, just another stupid asshole that doesn't know shit, like his boss.

56 This is off topic but might they want privacy on their vacation because they are going to be going on and off the island and having summits with people that they don't want reported?

Dat's crazy talk.

57 "KSM was told that his children would be killed"

Well?  Were they?

No simply telling someone you will kill their children is considered torture and is illegal?

Imagine how much torture the family members of those actually killed on 9/11 go through every single day of their lives.  No problem there, I guess.  But tell a confirmed, committed anti-American terrorist-supporting thug that we will kill his children unless he cooperates is beyond the pale.

This fucking corrupt administration is gonna be the death of us all.

58

That sound you hear is America's enemies laughing at us.

Damn it, I thought I got rid of all that surveillance equipment Bushitler put in my mom's basement!  Quit listening to me!

59 54,

Me tooo Ace, just don't like paypal.

60

At some point, the individuals being prosecuted--and those who MIGHT be prosecuted later on--will be forced to choose between loyalty to the United States and protecting themselves and their families.

I predict that this will not end well. If it goes to trial, I predict that the Obama Administration and the Democrats in Congress will have a very sudden run of misfortune. Going out of one's way to annoy people who destabilize unfriendly governments for a living might convince them to ply their trade at home for a while.

61

 

Do you know why the CIA sucks?

Because we sat back and allowed the Left dictate how the CIA hires and fires its employess. Just another example of how political corretness is our country's undoing.

62 am i the only one here who would care if KSM's kids were killed?

63 wouldn't, type o

64 Jack Bauer wept

65

David Axelrod: we're acting like exactly the sort of corporate whores we always accuse the GOP of being

Corporate whores make me wet done there in that little love-hole between my big, fat, creamy-white thighs.

 

66 As it is, Fox has a poll at it's site about whether these prosecutions go forward.  95% of around 30k respondents say 'No, dumbass.'

67 Now THIS is a distraction.  The rest of that stuff Obama's lackeys are always calling a distraction are when Barry makes an ass of himself.

68 @62,

Yep, as a mother of two boys and a non-plotter of the 9-11 plot, can't seem to give a hot flying shit over here. Anyone else?

69

 

Ben, I'll go even further and posit wouldn't it have been most prudent to have killed Kalid Sheik Moohammed's family?

70 done = down

71 But right now, they have to get their "witnesses" lined up.

Hence the need for the new White House Interrogation Team.

http://tinyurl.com/lwxu3t

72 Out: War on Terrorists
In:    War on Americans

73

#47   There is stiil time to get those hookers rolling..

 

Who says the CIA doesn't have some dirt on Obama that just might leak out?  Paging Leon Paneta...Mr. Paneta your table is ready....

74

America's First One-Term African American President

75 Does this mean that the CIA will be on our side, as well as the Army, when the 2nd American Revolution comes?

Sounds good to me.

76

So, when our country is in flames because the CIA has been rendered impotent, will that still be Bush's fault?

This will be very dangerous for the justice dept. and not a road they should go down. 

Hard to explain why they would go on this witch hunt but won't prosecute Black Panthers at polling places.

77 Threats? We're going to prosecute people for threats?

A threat to kill is not a mere threat when its carried out by the CIA. It prob violates moral codes.

78 Hmmmm, aren't Leon and the Clintons really close?

This could get real interesting real quick-like....

79 And by violate moral codes, I mean they didn't allow me to show my gratitude to the freedom fighters the same way I show hobos my gratitude for the nickel they give me to help pay for my Harvard education.  And to fuq my azz without lube.

80 DumDum is Dumb.

81 48
Hey, we all know that big girls are the best lays. They do stuff that other bitches won't do. I guess they're just so happy to have someone actually banging them they spontaneously shout out "stick in my ass NOW"!!!
Meggie Mac, call me. I'll make you shout at the devil.

82 I always laugh when some imbecile brings up morals when talking about war.

83 77,

Really???? Can you be more stupid and misinformed, why the fuck don't you leave this Country if you hate it so much, jump a steamer to the ME they will welcome you well.

84

Ben, I'll go even further and posit wouldn't it have been most prudent to have killed Kalid Sheik Moohammed's family?

 

yeah i wanted to float a trial balloon out there. personally, i know the whole rules of law, geneva convention etcetc etc. But America, actually no one, wins a war fighting completely by the rules. When i watch the building fall I was of a mind set, dear god i hope we slaughter everyone and anyone even remotely involved in this. I think most american felt this way because if  you recall the most memorable part of Bush's speech when he was standing on the rubble was the line, "i hear you and soon the people who did this will hear from all of us". Actually that line gave me chills, still does as I sit here and type it. I felt that day, and still do, the same way someone might feel if a family member was killed. The desire for brutal revenge the only thing pacing through my mind when i think about it.  I get really emotional(read:angry) every time i see footage from 9/11. I actually go out of my way to avoid it, except for once a year when MSNBC replays their coverage from that 9/11/01 on the anniversery(why they are the only network that does it I do not know, but i appreciate that they do).  It's really a primal hatred that i can't put to words, but it's something I think i will carry inside with me for life, and i honestly thought everyone else in this country would too.  When i see or hear people talk about it in a glib way or refer to it in a demeaning way i feel...well I guess the word disappointed will have to suffice .

85 @82

yeah, fuq morals

we should just go ahead and rape women and kids while we're at it

86

#32, dan in michigan

Holy shit, I laughed so hard the neighbor's dog started barking!

Well played, sir!

87 A threat to kill is not a mere threat when its carried out by the CIA. It prob violates moral codes.

{{{gasp!!!}}}

You really are an idiot, you know that?  We are not playing games here and neither are they.  KSM and his friends actually DID kill people.  A lot of innocent people that they didn't even know.  And your bitching because KSM was threatened?  He might have gotten scared by the big bad CIA man?

Just when I think you can't be any dumber, you always succeed in lowering the bar just one more notch.

88 @87

I'm saying there's certain lines we don't cross. That's what makes us not them.

89 yeah, fuq morals
we should just go ahead and rape women and kids while we're at it

Personally, I prefer the Hannibal Lecter option.  Kids would be just about right...and while no one can eat a whole woman, I know were to start.

90

Dum-dum's projecting again.

 

 

91 Holder knows when he's out he will be brought up on charges too, right?

I say, let them pursue this.  Yes, it's infuriating and awful for the agents and contractors (need to know where to donate to their defense fund, btw), but the administration is stepping on their dick with this one.  It is going to end up hurting them very, very badly.  So let them pursue this.

92 A threat to kill is not a mere threat when its carried out by the CIA. It prob violates moral codes.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 03:25 PM (VDj74)

You are stunningly stupid and naive.

93

we should just go ahead and rape women and kids while we're at it

Why would we want to do that dummy? 

 

94 we should just go ahead and rape women and kids while we're at it

The U.N. has that covered.

95 we should just go ahead and rape women and kids while we're at it

You got a real problem with this whole "threaten"  versus "actually do" thing, don't you?

Look, dum dum, just because your step-dad threatened to beat you every time he caught you smoking the dog's pole, and then he proceeded to beat you every time he caught you smoking the dog's pole, it doesn't mean that every single threat ever made actually gets carried out.

96

So the strategy is to prosecute the CIA for protecting us and on the same day announce that the White House is usurping control of high-value interrogations (using the FBI).

I bet the left is quite pleased with Obama's war on the CIA.  Seems like a dangerous strategry to me.  

 

97

 

Holder knows when he's out he will be brought up on charges too, right?

I dunno about that. The next Attorney General might be Bill Ayers.

 

98 88,

Spoken like a true coward, you would be easy for my dawg, no worries I would call him off after 6 or 7 deep puncture wounds then drag your sorry ass out to the curb with rest of the garbage pickup, you make me sick coward!

99

palin steele, go away.  This country doesn't need another person who sees more evil in us than the people who want us dead, let alone ace's website.

I really don't understand how interragations turn into raping women and children in your mind, but i will be honest when i say i don't think i could ever fully understand what goes on in your mind. 

You're like the ungrateful child who kicks, screams and cries. You're annoying, pathetic and spoiled. You live in a world with freedoms that you did nothing to earn and don't even show the courtesy to respect those who did so on your behalf.

If only we all could live in your mind where everything is so clear cut, peaceful and perfect, but unfortunately for the rest of us we don't have that luxury.

 

Instead we have to be thankful for what we have, and to the people who maintain it. The least we can do is not impugn them so glibly, and always assume the worst about their motives

100 @95

well, the person being threatened doesn't know that the threat isn't going to be carried out now, do they?

101

These Leftist scum are, as usual, pretty picky about which laws to enforce.  If Holder was an honest man (he is not) he'd do his job (he will not) and 90% of the criminals who comprise the leadership of this administration would be under investigation or in prison where they belong.  Instead, this shit bird throws the weight of his office at those who stand up to defend us - spending our precious resources to defend a bunch of murdering terrorist filth.  It may be legal for Holder to do so, but it's still treason.  Just one more back stabber.

It is so of all Leftists.  To them the law is nothing more than a tool of oppression to be used against their enemies, and to enslave the people of the US.

102

we should just go ahead and rape women and kids while we're at it

Well, rat turd, are they being prosecuted for raping women and kids?

War is legalized murder, you dull moron. Have Mommy explain it.

103 @102

and there are still rules, even in war.

104 well, the person being threatened doesn't know that the threat isn't going to be carried out now, do they?

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 03:38 PM (VDj74)

And that's what makes it effective you cretin. Can't you even grasp something as simple as that?

105
I'm saying there's certain lines we don't cross. That's what makes us not them.

Dum Dum:

After your broad reaching combat experience and having lived in the belly of the beast, please elucidate the board with your first person knowledge in dealing with enemy forces, insurgency forces, and civilian sympathizers.

 Standing by to be under whelmed by your vast life experiences.

106 I'm saying there's certain lines we don't cross. That's what makes us not them.

Ya see, what makes us better here (among the thousands of other examples I could give) is that we went after a specific target, as opposed to just randomly murdering thousands of innocent people.  Innocent people that the specific target we had was, in very large part, responsible for murdering.

And yet, all we did was threaten him.  OOoooooooo.....

Drop the childish moral relativism and get a job, you whiny little bitch.

107 @104

so can we also threaten people that we're going to put cigarrettes to their testicles? B

Because if we are, I've got to get in on that action.

108

and there are still rules, even in war.

And none of those were violated.  Next.

I also think it's time to take that "non-partisan" piece off your name and shove it up your ass.

109 There are codes of conduct, which OUR soldiers follow for the most part. In most cases, there are NO RULES except kill the enemy. You are such a damn fool.

110 yeah, fuq morals

we should just go ahead and rape women and kids while we're at it

I'm pretty sure noone said anything of the sort.

But we should shoot them in the face, preferably on video to be desplayed for the jihadi who earned their fate shortly before he is fed feet first into a wood chipper.

111 @105

oh fish, the threats were made on the battlefield? I didn't realize that

112 Ok you fucking Democrats, WHEN we get attacked again I don't want to hear a fucking WORD about DOTS and their CONNECTION.

GOT IT?!

113 we should just go ahead and rape women and kids while we're at it

114

@102

and there are still rules, even in war.

cite me one war that was won by any nation in the history of man that obeyed every rule

115

62 am i the only one here who would care if KSM's kids were killed?

I know you know the CIA isn't going to kill kids.  However, if they were killed, we can just call it a late-term abortion and it will be fine with Obama.  

Besides, using the left's logic the CIA would not be responsible for their deaths; the actions of their father justified our killing them.

 

116 this kind of left wing lunacy is going to set the Dems  back 20 years. If this is the brand they want, let them have it.

117

 

lest we forget...

This announement comes only days after the Brits released the Pan Am Flight 103 Muslim Terrorist after he served only 6 years.

This is what happens when a college faculty is running the government.

118 so can we also threaten people that we're going to put cigarrettes to their testicles?

where's the line you dimtard?

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 03:41 PM (VDj74)

Is that what poon does to you if you won't toss his salad? Is that why you're so upset? Doesn't he play nice with you?

119 @114

nice strawman.

the US won WW2, didn't it.

120 If there is another attack, these guys now own it, period.

121 these guys are starting to piss me off.

122

@103 and there are still rules, even in war.

If the enemy refuses to abide by the rules, you're not well served by living with them yourself.  Rules of war, such as there are, are in place by mutual agreement to limit the horror of war to the extent possible.  Terrorists WANT the horror - they desire to maximize it.  They have no rule that they will live by.  We are fools to hold ourselves to a "higher standard" that puts us at a disadvantage when fighting them.  These people aren't uniformed soldiers - they're just organized murderers.  They deserve to have whatever info they have beaten out of them, and then be shot in the head and dumped in a ditch.

 

123

oh fish, the threats were made on the battlefield? I didn't realize that

Well, brainless, the battlefield is where the battle is fought. Tough concept?

124

I still do not think they will actually “prosecute” anyone. This will be a long drawn out “investigation” (read witch hunt) with many leaks (aka Absence of Malice). All designed to keep things in the eye of the press because the Rethugs have gained on the commies and passed them.

 

If ANYONE gets prosecuted it will not be for the investigated crime, it will be for making some kind of dubious statement to the “investigator” and they get charged with “obstruction”.

 

I say fuck this clown outfit. We need to be calling all the offices on this as well. We need to demand Holder be fired and Obambi be impeached.

125 Did I say threaten people that we're going to put cigarrettes to their testicles?  I meant "entice".  I know I love it when My President does that kind of stuff to me during our fuq sessions!

126 103,

Damn you really are stupid, what were the rules of those Brave Men that were beheaded in Iraq when our Troops found them, those were some great rules of war, get the fuck out of here you don't even have a clue about anything except being a leftest coward and traitor to your Country!!!

127

"This is what happens when a college faculty is running the government."

How True!

128

LOL; Mitch Rapp

I started that series a few weeks ago but the books are all on hold at the library for other people.

Great first book.

129 The CIA, as an entity, will take this right up the ass for Obama.  However, I am sure there are plenty of people in the CIA not take this sitting down.  I'm sure President Bush can school teh One on how much fun it is dealing with constant, malicious CIA leaks.

130 This is the logical extension of what went on over the last eight years.  While the Bush Administration was waging war against the terrorists, the Dems and the MSM (BIRM) were waging war against the Bush Administration.

Like many '60s rads, Holder and Obama have consistently been anti-American.  They just turned from commie-symps into terror-symps.  Those worthless peices of shit have no idea what torture is about.

131 and there are still rules, even in war.

So, what your saying here is that the tools that are used effectively by law enforcement personnel is out of bounds in warfare.

You really are a complete and utter fool, aren't you?

But go ahead, keep digging.  You are amusing me with your idiocy.  Honestly, if I were a lib reading your words, I would beg Ace to ban you, just to stop you from making my team look so God-awful stupid.

132 Actually, the Soviets played a large part in defeating Germany. And when they entered Germany, most women were raped repeatedly, if they were caught. And the Germans did much worse than that when they entered Russia. Most Russian women caught on the battlefield were first raped and then murdered by the Germans.

133

The CIA, as an entity, will take this right up the ass for Obama.

I have a lot in common with the CIA.

134

oh fish, the threats were made on the battlefield? I didn't realize that

Oh Dummy, a large part of combating an enemy force is performed by units known as PsyWar.  These are the psychological warfare men who are skilled at disinformation and misinformation purposely infused into the battlefield or civil environs for the purpose of putting fear or distrust in the enemy. 

It doesn't have to be on the battlefield, but can be very effective in villages or towns supportive of a counterinsurgency effort.  Either way Mr. Dum Dum, we zap their butts with prejudice. 

135

 

speaking of prosecutions...

notice how the Bloagojevich case seems to have just faded away?

Rahm Emmanuel and Obama are as dirty as fuck in that investigation and that's why it has stalled (or been put on the back burner).

136 Ugh 'displayed,' obviously.

And Dummy, what makes us not them is that we're us.  I know the concept of individual identity is difficult for a leftist, but, please make some effort to bounce the concept around the inside of your skull for a while.  Maybe during the 50 or so comments after you threaten to leave for good today.

137

the US won WW2, didn't it.

The US didn't obey the rules of war in WWII.

138

 @114

nice strawman.

the US won WW2, didn't it.

 

You're joking right? You think America followed the rules in WW2. You don't think people were executed without trial? Did you see the provision allowing the droping of atomic weapons over cities in the geneva conventions??

We won that war because we did whatever was necessary, we certainly would not have won had we followed the geneva convention to a T.

 

It's not a straw man. Human history goes back millenia, there is at least one war every year of human existence, i just want you to cite one.

139 i feel a lot safer now knowing that not only do CIA field operatives have a valid reason for not getting good intel through coercive means (they will just have to trust their ci(s) from here on out) but they have every reason in the world for sitting back and watching another 9-11 just to butt slam obama and could do so becuse a) their  hands are tied, and b) any chance of getting good intel has diminshed as compared to previously.  We are back to a pre 9-11 midset with more emphasis on police and react except for attack and prevent

140

notice how the Bloagojevich case seems to have just faded away?

 

not if ace's flaming blago skull has anything to do with it!

141 sop to the left wing now abandoning him in droves because of his heathcare debacle.

142 the US won WW2, didn't it.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 03:43 PM (VDj74)

Yes, in fact before hostilies started we exchanged notes with Germany and Japan to let them know it would be strictly Marquis of Queensbury rules or we wouldn't fight them at all.

143 if the enemy doesnt abide by the rules than the only people who can use any means necessary are the enemy. I believe a german living in britain as a refugee said that before world war two. Thank god someone like Arthur Harris got the point.

144 Yea, lets worry about the rights of the terrorist.  Meanwhile, I really do not recall anyone in Tower 1 or Tower 2 being given their Miranda warning before the planes crashed.  He who fails to learn history is doomed to repeat it.

145 Yup the USA won WW2 without morale bombing of any kind.

146 If we play by their rules, then we have already lost.

147

I'm saying there's certain lines we don't cross. That's what makes us not them

Care to define what those lines are, King Richard the Lionhearted? Is making terrorists uncomfortable crossing the line? Slapping them? Loud music? Curse words? Seriously, I'd love to know what you consider to be uncrossable lines when fighting a counterinsurgency against an organized, well-funded, fanatical enemy who disregards even the most basic standards of humanity.

The US has fought this war in the most humane way possible given the circumstances. Compare us to the way the Brits fought in Malaysia or Northern Ireland, the French in Algeria, or the Russians in Chechnya, and then proceed to ignore ill-informed dipshits like Dummy.

148 Power drill? Gun? Why didn't they call a couple of hard, pipe-hittin' n*ggas to go to work on KSM with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch? This is not the Bushitler I thought I knew.

149

the US won WW2, didn't it.

Against nation states.

Plus, three words:  Japanese Internment Camps.

Historical ignorance is easy to cure.  Read a little.

150 I believe Germany started "total war" and we certainly participated in it, right up to and including firebombing cities and IIRC we nuked a couple. Dum dum is so ignorant, he should stick to keeping his dumb assed mouth shut.

151 They deserve to have whatever info they have beaten out of them, and then be shot in the head and dumped in a ditch..

A shot to the head is too merciful. These fucks need to be buried alive.

152

Paging Mr. Dum Dum,  Paging Dum Dum,  Pick up Line 3

"Standing by to be under whelmed by your vast life experiences."

153

100 well, the person being threatened doesn't know that the threat isn't going to be carried out now, do they?

And if you threaten to kill someone is it prosecuted as the same crime as actually murdering them?  After all, the person doesn't know the threat wouldn't be carried out, now do they?

154 If we play by their rules, then we have already lost.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 03:53 PM (VDj74)

Didn't Captain America beat up a lot of German and Japanese soldiers? And since he has super strength didn't that give him an unfair advantage against them? Was Captain America abiding by the rules of war?

155

If we play by their rules, then we have already lost.

Yes, I remember all those truck bombs the Seals set up in Karachi and YouTube beheadings by Marines.  And those airliners crashing into the Grand Mosque in Mecca.  Your attempts at moral equivalence are vile.

156 think about this-at a time when one of our "allies" has released a man who murdered 200+ people to a welcome we might reserve for actual heroes, the Administration is going after the folks who work to prevent such things.  that minimal portion of the CIA that is functional and not a left wing bureaucracy is going to be destroyed.  does anyone think that the American people, other than those who anchor MSNBC, care if we threatened terrorists?

157 Why do you guys keep talking about 9/11?  I didn't know you would be so enthusiastic about a National Day of Service instituted by My President!

158 Looks like obama's feelin' jumpy.
Hey, go ahead and jump!

159 of course, we do have the indispensable Holder (much cheered by Republican ex-DOJers) who worked to release terrorists and other criminals for political reasons in the past.

160 steele at 119

See you failed history again.  Google is your friend, use it before you type.  Our guys (the good guys) whacked SS POWs, concentration camp guards, civilians, etc. - even had a policy of unrestricted submarine warfare.  That's just the top of pyramid from wiki - the Germans and japs claim alot more.

161

If we play by their rules, then we have already lost.

I can't even begin to imagine the world you live in, but it must be pretty nice, lonely, but nice.

162 For nearly two years, Durham has been probing whether laws against obstruction or false statements were violated in connection with the 2005 destruction of CIA videotapes.

Translation: For two years, Durham has been on a fishing expedition. Obama's just renewed his license.

163 I read that the Germans and Japanese were trying to steal peoples' tonsils, so I don't care about them.  It's my brave freedom fighters that I'm worried about!

164 Using the words "playing by their rules" is stupid. Having a set of rules for yourself gives an enemy with no rules the advantage. War is not a game, it is life or death. You can keep the moral high ground right into the mass grave, and your ass is still dead, but by some leftard ideal, you won You can shove that lunacy right up your dumb ass.

165 if you want to move to a country where the government has no qualms about torturing and killing terrorists, go to China. Leave this country if you're not ok with its lines of conduct.

166

Palin Steel, Poon, Douche,

You seem to think that decorum and civility distinguish us from the animals that we're fighting, and to a certain extent that's true.

But make no mistake about what's most important--that in the enemy's heart of hearts, he understands that we will kill him, his children, his religion, his culture, his pets. Harry Truman got that.

Because Pres. Truman understood that and acted upon it, we defeated grave threats to freedom and civilization.

Have you ever backed a truly vicious bastard into a corner? Unless the bastard is convinced that you'll cut his nuts off, blood will flow. Maybe yours, maybe his. Sometimes, it doesn't matter because the bastard is crazy in his bones. He needs killed. I didn't make the rules.

The Geneva Conventions are important, but they're just a token to cover for what really goes down. We're a nasty bunch. Might as well face it.

167

the US won WW2, didn't it.

The US didn't obey the rules of war in WWII.

Actually by and large the US did obey the laws of war in WWII. But war is a messy, ugly business and there will always be a certain amount of 'rough justice' that takes place.

168

I'm saying there's certain lines we don't cross. That's what makes us not them

 

What makes us "not them" is a helluva lot more than our aversion to torture.  The list is a long one, but let's start with basic civility and humanity.  Add to that our distaste for child rape, our dislike for throwing acid on women who dare to get an education, our ability to regard other human beings as roughly equal in value to ourselves (even if they don't worship the same God), and the fact that killing and torture aren't things that, as a culture, we do for fun.

 

Oh - and lets not forget basic hygene.

 

If Mulla Moohammed has to experience some physical discomfort to save the lives and limbs of Americans, then he needs to experience it.  Right before he's strangled and buried with a pile of pig intestines.

169 Ben@138

That's close but I'm not sure it's completely true.  I heard a while ago (in reference to the 'birth pangs' mentioned in Revelation) that there has been a major war fought, somewhere in the known world, in all but roughly 400 of the calendar years since Jesus left the earth.  So one in five years goes by without a blowup of some sort.

Though the still leaves Dummy plenty of opportunity to probe the history of war to find one fought on his delicate terms.

170 I love the strawmen you guys love to employ...torture or face death!

the CIA has proven techniques that work that do not cross the line. In fact, I find some of the techniques quite...interesting, IYKWIMAITYD.

171

107 so can we also threaten people that we're going to put cigarrettes to their testicles?

where's the line you dimtard?

Threatening to put cigarettes to their testicles.

_____________LINE (do not cross unless u r a terrorist)__________

Actually putting cigarettes to their testicles.

 

172

A threat to kill is not a mere threat when its carried out by the CIA. It prob violates moral codes.

And the last time I checked, violating a moral code is not necessarily criminal.  Morally, I should tithe to the church. Legally, if I don't - I don't wind up getting prosecuted. Also, dum-dum, did you see the threat, if something else happens, then this happens. Thus, it is not an immediate threat to harm someone, merely a threat to do something IF something else happens.  This is not legally actionable because it lacks the requisite mens rea to constitute an element of the crime. But, I only graduated law school, I didn't go to Harvard, like you. (insert your own snark about job hunting here).

And even a rather dim dum-dum like you would have to admit that the timing is curious.  Gee, health care is going in the tank and "The One" is facing an uprising from his left flank - so time to wheel out the war crimes! Thus, the timing undermines the very legitimacy any criminal proceeding needs, it looks political. 

Finally...you, are, still, an, idiot.

 

173

if you want to move to a country where the government has no qualms about torturing and killing terrorists,

Vile lies.

Ace, ban this piece of shit.

174 if you want to move to a country where the government has no qualms about torturing and killing terrorists, go to China. Leave this country if you're not ok with its lines of conduct.

If we followed your pansy ass lines of conduct where we can't even lie to a terrorist to get info then there's not going to be a country to leave.

175 and there are still rules, even in war.

Interestingly, al'Qaeda has never made the least pretense of obeying those rules. They pride themselves on violating them. They brag about their violations.

If you'll remember, on 9/11 al'Qaeda members slit the throats of unarmed civilians, hijacked four airplanes, and flew two of them into a building filled with unarmed civilians. Every dead civilian was a war crime committed -- on purpose -- by al'Qaeda.

There's no requirement in any of the laws of war to treat al'Qaeda and its associates according to the laws of war. It's arguable -- and I think it's a strong argument -- that extending the protection of the laws of war to al'Qaeda, etc. actually violates the laws of war.

176

Maybe Obama felt inspired after taking in a screening of Inglorious Basterds -- he wants to deal out some punishment.   

This is a massive political miscalculation by Obama--if he thinks he's going to win over any of the 50-55% who now disapprove of him with this maneuver, his instincts are about as off-kilter as you'd expect from a state Senator who never had to campaign door to door.  In other words, I welcome this move and expect it to accelerate his negatives. 

177 I love the strawmen you guys love to employ...torture or face death!

the CIA has proven techniques that work that do not cross the line.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 04:02 PM (VDj74)

Like a simpleton like you would know anything about how the CIA operates. By the way what did your mommy make you for lunch?

178 I can't stomach anymore of dum dum I'm out guys!

179 170 - What is "the line" to you, exactly? I want you to define it. Give us a list of what's acceptable to you and what isn't.

180

Actually, instead of you guys leaving this cesspool of a country, maybe I should leave so I can find a job.

I graduated from Harvard, you know.

Did you know that have a degree in dog feces collection?

181

the CIA has proven techniques that work that do not cross the line.

You haven't the faintest clue what the "line" is.  How the fuck do you not drown in the shower being afflicted with such stupidity?

182 Prosecuting CIA agents who were scrambling to do whatever they could shortly after 911 to prevent another attack...sounds like a great idea.

I'm sorry but this whole thing is just a bluff to appease the far-Left which is starting to lose faith in Obama. To actually go through with this would be political suicide. The Republicans would have an absolute field day.

183 I am finished with conversing with a dull moron. You guys can talk to it if you want to, but slapping a fool is fun for only so long. It is immune to thought, and allergic to fact. May our enemies be so stupid and clueless.

184

Quick!  We need to distract the public from the sinking health care ship!  It's bad enough we've alienated independants, but now we're losing the nutroot crowd and we can't afford to alienate our base.

I know- let's intensify our efforts to blame Bush.  That'll do the trick.  Nothing currys favor with the college kids typing away from their mother's basement like some good old fashioned Bush bashing, with the possible exception of marijuana legalization.

You have your marching orders, MSM.  Fly, monkeys, fly!

185

Hey kids. 

The first weekend of September, I'm starting my "Hookers and Blow" vacation in Vegas, for me and about 1000 friends.  Don't forget to sign up at flag.whitehouse.gov, etc. etc.

See you at the party!

186 nam grunt, I'll leave. You can stay.

187 well, the person being threatened doesn't know that the threat isn't going to be carried out now, do they?

You have no concept of the difference between something that has been done and something that has not been done, do you?

188
I can't even begin to imagine the world you live in, but it must be pretty nice, lonely, but nice.

I have seen Palin Steele's close up and personal in the military.  Unfortunately, the best a commander can do is protect the Palin Steele's from themselves.  They are generally loners that generate strong feelings of distrust and inability to perform their specified duties.  In a line unit, trust is a fundamental and basic requirement, and the PS's of this world are distrusted and unwanted.  Transfer is the best solution for their own safety.

189 The first early thread on this topic sort of petered out, so I am reposting this here ...

You can't effectively prosecute foreign spies in US courts, how do they expect to try our own?  Chances are these go nowhere, provide a temporary bandage to the bleeding on the left, and further emasculate the CIA.  Obama doesn't want these guys pulling an Ollie North in a public trial.

Makes one wonder about the photographs of agents to which the ALCU was given access.  Was DOJ using the ALCU in a fishing expedition for witnesses or just prepping them for a future professional line-up?  Was the leak of the story about that internal investigation meant to be a warning shot with regards to this story?

Everyone of the scumbag (terrorists #1) visited by the ALCU (scumbags #2) witness testimony is tainted.  That poisoned tree shit can work both ways.  Would not surprise me at all if the CIA "doubled" these leftist clowns inside the Beltway and provided pictures of a bunch of guys nearing retirement.

190 the US won WW2, didn't it.

Do the names "Hiroshima" and "Nagasaki" ring a bell?

191

nam grunt, I'll leave. You can stay.

As my daddy used to say, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

192

Hey! This dovetails fucking nicely with our new national holiday, National Service Day...oh yeah, it's on 9/11 (out on front page, Top Headlines sidebar). Yippie! Our very first full-on communist day of celebration.

I. hate. this. administration.

193 146 If we play by their rules, then we have already lost.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 03:53 PM (VDj74)

This is one of those platitudes that sounds nice, but just isn't true. First of all military victory is entirely distinct from moral standing and scruples as the Soviet experience in WWII shows. Secondly we are not following their rules.

Now repeat after me: Threatening an action is not the same as doing it.

194 It took them this long to get a case going since the 'waterboarding' fiasco blew up in their faces. 

Now they have a 'case' separate from the waterboarding issue, so they are confident they can limit the investigation - and subsequent prosecutions - to the CIA and it's contractors ONLY.

195

That's weak, on '24, Jack Bauer actually brought them out, and threatened them on camera, I know it's a TV show, doesn't KSM family live in Pakistan anyway, how would you get to them anyways

196 nam grunt, I'll leave. You can stay.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 04:06 PM (VDj74)

Weeks ago you claimed that you quit this site for good yet you came back again. How did we know that you didn't mean that? Doesn't that violate moral codes?

197 I think it's worth mentioning that this is a dummy operation. Durham was appointed by Mukasey to investigate the destruction of the CIA tapes and no indictments, no criminal prosecutions.

This is going to be about the same thing. Dummy op.

198 Leave the troll, take the sockpuppets. And the cannolis.

199

The first act of the Romney/Palin/Jindal/Pawlenty/Zombie Gerald Ford administration in 2013 will be to grant immediate pardon to all those prosecuted and/or punished for such crimes.

The second act will be to initiate prosecutions for those who gutted the intelligence agencies, thereby leading to the incineration of ______  (pick a city) .

200 If we play by their rules, then we have already lost.

Not too familiar with game theory, are you?

201 @196 - THREAD WINNER!

202 Chances are these go nowhere, provide a temporary bandage to the bleeding on the left, and further emasculate the CIA.

and the dummies on the left get all excited over this nothing burger every time.

203 BTW, they just appointed the NY head of the AFL-CIO to head Geithner's old job, it's going to be like Evita, 'money keeps rolling in,' it won't be worth anything, though

204 And I've never never ever lied about leaving.

205 I love the strawmen you guys love to employ...torture or face death!

the CIA has proven techniques that work that do not cross the line.

Yes, and they used them -- water boarding, stress positions, sleep deprivation, etc.

And now the people who used them are facing prosecution by an administration desperate to get its own pathetic failures out of the news.

206 I love the strawmen you guys love to employ...torture or face death!

I love how you've made yourself that ultimate arbiter of what constitutes torture and what doesn't.

207 You wing-nuts don't get it.  If we do bad things (as defined by my lord and savior, Barrack Obama) then the world won't like us.  And if the world don't like us, bad things will happen.  This is why I am a liberal.....logic is hard, feelings are easy! Right now, I feel hungry, I wish Mom would make lunch.

208 That's weak, on '24, Jack Bauer actually brought them out, and threatened them on camera, I know it's a TV show, doesn't KSM family live in Pakistan anyway, how would you get to them anyways

It was more than that.  CTU had the family in custody, but they were not threatening the actual family on closed circuit television.  They were threatening look alikes.  The suspect was made to believe they were threatening his family.  They weren't.

I don't know how this dovetails with the Geneva conventions.

209 It is so sad that it is politically expedient to have selective amnesia.  Guess they don't remember the state of the nation in 2001.  Guess they don't remember the pressure felt by agencies like the FBI and CIA.. Apparently they want Panetta to quit, why would this be resurfacing?  Also, they must not like the non transparency in these parts of the government.  Funny when VP was "outed" ostensibly cause she opened her mouth to all the other soccer moms bragging about what she did, well then it was important to guard all this stuff.  All of a sudden now the shoe is on the other foot and they suddenly don't think it is so important.  Plus, didn't they say "no we aren't going down that road", like two weeks ago, then they reverse course again.  Is this a subtle threat to these agencies that no one recognizes?  To the American people it is our prez behaving like your mom in memopause.  Flip flopping all over the place.  Like, pick a decision and stick with it.  then they wonder why no one has confidence in them.

210 "Elite team of interrogators."  Oh. My. Dog.  One envisions a pothead, tax evading macrame artist or maybe a singer, say, Willie Nelson, sitting down with a suicide bomber and engaging in a Freudian psychoanalytic discussion with appropriate members of the ACLU, Red Cross and ACORN present as witnesses to ensure no hurt feelings.  The lefties are showing themselves to be the weak, weak sisters one suspected but didn't want to mention in polite company.  I am ashamed they are American, those that are.

211 ps@165
You are nobody to be telling proper Americans to leave our own country.  You liberals are the aliens here and increasingly unwelcome ones at that. 

There is a wonderful line given by Matt Damon's character in The Good Shepherd (coincidentally about the founding of the CIA).  A contact goes through a list of minorities, blacks, Jews, Italians, etc. and all the things they value.  He then asks Damon's character what people like him (default caucasian mutt, I suppose) what we have.  Damon responds.
"We have the United States of America.  All the rest of you are just visiting."

Which is warped a bit by Hollywood perspective.  I am perfectly happy to co-exist with anyone of any ethnicity who recognizes the fundamental superiority of America's freedom for individuals and markets over such idiocy as Islam or Socialism.  But you liberals do not fall in that category.

212 I'm gone.  Never posting again.

213 Heh.

214 If I were Barry, I'd think twice about doing something that might get that old tyrant Dick Cheney mad. You know, someone might just put up a real fight.

Remember, Dick shot a guy... and they were friends.

This shitstain in shorts and designer sandals hasn't a clue what he's in for.

215 "212 I'm gone.  Never posting again.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 04:17 PM (tcMQZ)"

as palin steele?  What about your other handles?

216 Seriously, I'm never posting again.  It would be immoral to say I was leaving for good and then post again.

217 Just like My President, I would never lie.

218 Dum dum is a muppet warrior.

219 77 Threats? We're going to prosecute people for threats?

A threat to kill is not a mere threat when its carried out by the CIA. It prob violates moral codes.

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 03:25 PM (VDj74)

Yeah unlike that whole "terrorism" thing. You really are beyond despicable.

220 #77, Captain America izzat you?

221
I'm gone.  Never posting again.

You little sock puppet bitch!

222 I'm not a muppet.  That would be a copyright violation!

223 Sock puppet=> Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 04:19 PM (tcMQZ)

224

I'm not a muppet.

You can't fool the Moron Brigade Big Bird!

225 "222 I'm not a muppet.  That would be a copyright violation!

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 24, 2009 04:21 PM (tcMQZ)"

not really, only is you didn't give proper acredidation to the name.

226

"Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the Attorney General."

Well, I guess juries are sooooo 20th century.

227 Why do you people insist on responding to the idiot troll?

228 You're wrong.  I learned all about copyright at Harvard Cosmetology School.

229 Why do you people insist on responding to the idiot troll?

They can't help themselves.

230
Why do you people insist on responding to the idiot troll?

It's an idiot sock puppet, the idiot troll went to eat mommy's dinner. 

231 Will Obama show Holder his strong pimp hand?

232

"The President has said repeatedly..."

Ace,

I think we need a Gibbsy primer similar to the one for the One from last week.

233 "Left Hand Doesn't Know What the Far Left Hand is Doing"

Ace brings the funny. And it's double-funny 'cause it's true.

234 No confidence.

235 The President has said repeatedly that he wants to look forward, not back... Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the Attorney General.

"I mean, it's not like the Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the President. Barry has no idea how he got in there. Hell, he barely knows the man. Is he threatening to prosecute someone? You don't say? Can you get us an appointment with the guy?"

236

Apparently they want Panetta to quit, why would this be resurfacing?

Curious @ 4:14 p.m., this is coming up because "The Public Option" is in deep doo doo.  Obama's left wing nutbase is getting pissed because has been unsuccessful thus far in selling his health care reform.  In order to shore up his base, he needs to tap into their Booosh Derangement Syndrome, and throw this out there so that things can all be copacetic.  It's despicable and evil that our President who swore an oath to protect America against all enemies domestic and foreign, is throwing our CIA under the bus in order to preserve his street cred with his America hating base. 

237 Threatening to kill their kids is not the same as killing their kids.
It is a psy-ops tactic.

238 well, the person being threatened doesn't know that the threat isn't going to be carried out now, do they?

You are beyond stupid.

Of course he doesn't know that they aren't going to carry out the threats, THAT'S WHY THEY FUCKING WORK.

Could you do me a favor and spend some time with my retarded cousin.  He could use a little self esteem boost.

239

210 "Elite team of interrogators."

Oh, I'm thinking one of them will be "Matthew Alexander" (pseudonym) the FBI/Air Force interrogator who wrote a book asserting that if we just treat terrorists with respect and compassion, they will treat us with respect and compassion.  A terrorist told him that, and they don't lie. 

Tell it to the Gitmo nurse who was treating one of the Religion of Peace's finest.  While tending to him she released one of his hands from the restraint. He promptly smashed her in the face, inflicting wounds that required surgery.  He then screamed to have his sheets changed, because he was being contaminated "by the blood of the infidel whore."

And BTW - does anyone think that if "Alexander" had written a book supporting enhanced interrogation techniques the MSM would have not only revealed his true identity, we would know everything else about him, like Joe the Plumber?

240 The jarhead from Baird's townhall is about to be on Hannity's show, btw.

241 "The President has said repeatedly that he wants to look forward, not back,

Anybody else reminded of that Simpsons episode where Kodos runs for President?

My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball, but
tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward,
and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
-- Kodos gives a speech, "Treehouse of Horror VII"

242 They all need flying lessons from a Blackhawk from 5-6k feet. 

243 Absolutely....AMAZING!!! Last Friday, THE story of the hour was Sarah Palin's challenge to the effect Health Care Reform Without Tort Reform was meaningless. NOW, the White House has turned the tables and everybody on this post is elbowing his/her way to the forefront to talk about terrorist interrogations. Folks, you're being spun like tops!!!

244

237 Threatening to kill their kids is not the same as killing their kids.

Save your breath.  I drew DumDum a diagram and he/she still didn't get it. 

DumDum is permanently stuck on stupid.

245 Problem is you can't predict what is important and what isn't. What will be pursued and what won't.  What they will talk about and what they will do under cover of darkness.

246

243 Folks, you're being spun like tops!!!

Don't worry - we can multi-task.

247 Look, Eric, just do me one favor, if you can pull yourself away from your featherbedding and your office redecoration? Just one little thing? Are you listening? Thanks, Eric. Thanks a lot. I'm so glad you remembered who put you in your office. Oh, sour looks, is it? You're not Professor Fucking Gates, okay? Are we listening? Are we ready?

If you can possibly spare the time, would you threaten to jail some CIA operatives from the Bush era? Just some expensive legalistic harrassment will be enough, those "netroots" are too stupid and drunk on my personality to ever truly abandon me... but I do need them to keep in a howling rage about someone, and lately that someone has been me.

We don't like that, do we, Eric?

Just stir up enough paranoia and hatred to keep the Koskids and the HuffPo all lubricious and erect. The less we actually do, the better. Shit, you would almost think these "netroot" people had never heard of Chicago politics.

Well, off you go, my man. I've got a date at Martha's Vineyard with rich white people. You know the type. Steppin' and fetchin' for me, every move I make.

It's good being the king.

248 Having said all that, I will say that the CIA has it coming.  They worked to undermine "W" both terms and now their preferred regime is throwing them to the dogs.  While a green field intelligence redesign is a must, Teleprompter Jesus' strategy is not what was envisioned.

249

Did Holder make this announcement on the first day of Obama's vacation to try to get away with something Obama didn't want done?  Is that possible?

Before you say "no", remember how inexperienced a leader Obama really is comapred to many of his team, and how ideologically rabid most of that team is.

250 Hi Fluffy: On your comment re: multi-tasking....I suspect you're right. Who needs more than 1 reason to vote these 'Representatives' (Dem and Repub) into permanent retirement.

251 Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the Attorney General. "

The various parts of the Obama administration act with all the independence of marionette appendages.

252 Yup, alwyer, AoSHQ is the place to be for would be conservatives hopelessly being manipulated by the genius in The White House Martha's Vineyard.

Might I suggest 'Little Green Footballs' for those who want a clearer view of the world?

253 PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

They just keep coming back for more.

254

250  Who needs more than 1 reason to vote these 'Representatives' (Dem and Repub) into permanent retirement.

I would be hard-pressed to find one reason to keep them in office!

255  I'm so glad history started on 11/4/08... otherwise I might be worried that we'd be like the wealthy, technologically-advanced Athenian hegemony, so viciously partisan and political that it executed six of eight naval commanders after the stunning victory at Arginusae, and wound up losing an entire fucking civilization to dumbshit Spartans.

Posted by: a4g at August 24, 2009 02:54 PM (6YVgn

Funny that. I was going to comment that I was rereading Tides of War about the Peloponnesian War and how similar the Athenian population seemed compared to our 52 percenters and probably some of the wish washy 48 percenters.

256

Okay I've revealed myself as the Harriet Miers supporting sock puppet. Sue me.

257 Stedman Graham is in the house!

258 243 Absolutely....AMAZING!!! Last Friday, THE story of the hour was Sarah Palin's challenge to the effect Health Care Reform Without Tort Reform was meaningless. NOW, the White House has turned the tables and everybody on this post is elbowing his/her way to the forefront to talk about terrorist interrogations. Folks, you're being spun like tops!!!

Nonsense, it is when we are dragged into teh kitteh debate that we are lost!

259

I guess Fitzy is too busy prosecuting Blago and everyone connected to him in Chicago to take the case.

260 How many US Attorneys has Obama replaced since taking office?

261 what are the requirements to be a special prosecutor?

262

261

First, you  must be "special"..

263 Obama sounds like he's giving Holder an out if the PR backlash starts.  This way he can placate the extreme left.  "Hey, I tried, but Holder let me down".

264 This is all a ruse to get us off the subject of Michele's shorts.

265 It's trash week for the MSM. Obama will "NOT" be reading from any teleprompter this week. NO reporters, no nothing that he doesn't want. Must be nice to have a vacation for 50k on the dime of all the poor conseratives who paid for just the weekly rental. Now if "W" tried to do this, I cannot the immediacy of of the MSM going to press. 

266 I'm so glad history started on 11/4/08... otherwise I might be worried that we'd be like the wealthy, technologically-advanced Athenian hegemony, so viciously partisan and political that it executed six of eight naval commanders after the stunning victory at Arginusae, and wound up losing an entire fucking civilization to dumbshit Spartans.
Tell me about it.

267

Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the Attorney General.

Yes, and the tooth fairy really exists.

 Obama sounds like he's giving Holder an out if the PR backlash starts.

No, he's giving himself an out with the centerists.

268 To further distract and confuse the American public, Barney Frank is going on the Howard Stern show tomorrow to deep-throat a 22" kielbasa live.

269 holder exercise independent judgment?  we already know that he is a completely political actor with no independent judgment (else he wouldn't have recommended the Rich pardon).  he will do what he is told, like he was told to drop the new black panther party stuff.

270

I always have a good laugh when Gibbs starts out "the President has said repeatedly ...".

Mr. Gibbs thinks we are all so stupid that we can't remember what the O has said "repeatedly".

That's the problem.  We CAN remember what he said!

271 Fist, not a suprise, but after all the rectal exams given the CIA they can only find 12 cases, maybe a bit more.
This will emasculate the CIA further, not that it accomplishes that much anyway.
So someone went "Jack Bauer" because of their desire to protect the country...big deal.
Don't believe the spin about Pinetta, the story was planted so he does not look to bad to the employees at the CIA. Holder is such a "patriot" as his law firm was providing pro bono work for terrorists at Gitmo, so don't believe their complaints about Lybia or the Scotts either.
Panetta will probably hang around for several months and then resign when Hillary does, perhaps when it provides maximum denialability to BHO.
Eric will surely help BHO with last minute pardons after he is run out of office in 2013.

272 I'm not so sure that this move is about shoring up the Jug Eared Jesus' standing among the far-left as much as it's a desperate ploy to pull MSM airtime away from the health care fail. After all, there's only so many hours in the news day, so give 'em something other than "death panels" to report on.

They have to know that this will hurt them, but it's a calculated risk. To put it in pithier terms, it's better to be kicked in the ass than to be kicked in the balls.

273 #270  The problem is that Gibbs cannot remember anything that is 24 hours away from the last time he said anything intellegent.

274 Well Ill Tempered Cur,#272  Team Obama is creating enough ill will that it's likely to be kicked in the ass--and in the balls.  The country was sold a bill of goods last year.

275 BTW...so this reminds koskids and hoepo liberals why they voted for him. However, can you imagine the response of a typical (not brainwashed) American.
Also, so now the FBI will do what the CIA did ? But with more limits and controls, lets bring Jamie Gerlich (sp?) out of retirement (after ruining Fannie Mae and making $$$$$$ in the process) to write the limits to data gathering so we can ensure another 9/11 happens.
This is the worst of all worlds.

276 Hey, we all know that big girls are the best lays. They do stuff that other bitches won't do. I guess they're just so happy to have someone actually banging them they spontaneously shout out "stick in my ass NOW"!!!
Meggie Mac, call me. I'll make you shout at the devil.

Posted by: Nikki Sixx at August 24, 2009 03:29 PM (f8fq/)

I would argue about them being the best, but they are the most grateful

277 The CIA and the military have investigated and prosecuted prisoner abuse cases where and when they've occurred, I've read about many of these cases in the back pages of the Times over the last few years.  So I assume these re-investigations is a politically motivated witch-hunt.  It's designed to persecute political enemies and drive out career staffers in the CIA.  The career staffers will fear being the subject of future witch hunts.  They'll retire early or seek other options.  They'll be replaced by political hacks.  The political hacks will be more interested in going after health-care/cap-n-tax naysayers, rather than terrorists.  After all, the terrorists do not pose much threat to their political hold on the US.

278 What a fucking idiot. Aside from the very real dangers posed by this, he's now given Sarah Palin a great big foreign policy stick to beat him with. Expect a nuclear facebook post very soon, followed by wailing and gnashing of teeth from RINO turds like Frum, Noonan, Parker, and LOLpundit.

279 PIMF:  So I assume these re-investigations ARE a politically motivated witch-hunt.

280 Can you imagine the things we can learn when we get the Joker and his crime family on trial? First up, Clinton and his rendition program .... If that's the game, bring it

281 Do you know why the CIA sucks?

The CIA sucks because it did what all bureaucracies do first and foremost- perpetuate itself.  That's why 90% of CIA employees are deployed domestically, most in Langley VA.  Only 10% of our spies are actually out there, you know, SPYING.

282

I wonder how the insiders in the CIA that undermined the Bush Administration are feeling now?

I wonder if the CIA might have a little embarrassing information on some of Barry's overseas buddies? 

I wonder if the FBI might have a little poop on his local buddies?  Be a shame if it were to find its way into a reporters hands.

283 "Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the Attorney General."

What?  What the hell is this?  How did this buck get here?  Give this to Eric, what do you expect me to do with this?

284 Just heard on the news that essentially the CIA has been relieved of its command so that now a nonresidentially run group is going to be doing interrogations.  Wow, so this must go hand in hand with that?

285

I wonder if the FBI might have a little poop on his local buddies?  Be a shame if it were to find its way into a reporters hands.

Posted by: Dan at August 24, 2009 05:31 PM (qfb86)

Except that most members of the press would destroy/bury any damaging information about their messiah.

286 The congress better grow some balls and reign in this President.

287 I frankly blame Bush for not issuing a blanket pardon to the entire freaking US government before the present son of a bitch soiled the White House.

288 is that many libertarians who are of the same midset as conservatives when it comes to the role of government in our lives will also cheer this. Posted by: Scott J.

As a small 'l' libertarian, I am not happy about prosecution of the CIA. So fuck you Scott. Fuck you like a bull in the Colosseum.

It may come as a surprise but a good percentage of the readers here are also small 'l' libertarians, and even not knowing them personally, I'm going to go ahead and say they are not happy with this.

You may want to reconsider throwing daggers around, cockhat.

289 282, if you have an FBI or CIA employee who uncovers wrong doing, incomepetence ect..do you think the WasPo, NYT or others in the MSM will carry their story ?.
How about confidentiality ? with all the Obama lovers in the media, the name of the "leaking" employee is likely to be with the WH by end of day.
The MSM will be loath to publish anything "negative" about BHO and admin unless it can be blamed on Bush or is something they can claim that BHO policy will fix.

290 Shorter Obama:  "As I have said repeatedly, shut the fuck up, stop questioning my pronouncements, do as your told and lick my loafers."

291 284 Just heard on the news that essentially the CIA has been relieved of its command so that now a nonresidentially run group is going to be doing interrogations.  Wow, so this must go hand in hand with that?

So, basically, Obama has his own personal secret police.  With no Congressional oversight.  Do I have that right?

I think this goes to the top of the What If Bush Did It? pile.

292

aren't we fighting a war in Afghanistan right now where little things like intelligence gathering is a useful pursuit that will save lives (and won't our gatherers just say to hell with it now knowing that nobody has their back).

293

Impeach Now

294 Amish Dude, just repeated what they said on the news.  They said the CIA is not handling interrogations anymore.  Instead, they said, the president will set up a commission that he will run made up of people from different agencies.  Never thought of what you said.

295 Let's not blame the 52% all the time, after all they took John McCain at his word when he said Obama is a good man.  McCain spent more political capital defending his opponent than his own running mate.  What's more, he has been unusually quiet of late.

296 "If we play by their rules, then we have already lost."
This is one of the most inane, simplistic slogans used by the left.
First, about 99% of the left don't know/ refuse to admit that a terrorist has no rules.
Just by the fact that America and other democracies have rules of engagement...makes us different and By the fucking way....better.

297 291 284 Just heard on the news that essentially the CIA has been relieved of its command so that now a nonresidentially run group is going to be doing interrogations.  Wow, so this must go hand in hand with that?
* * *
So, basically, Obama has his own personal secret police.  With no Congressional oversight.  Do I have that right?

That is seriously scary.  First the czars that have no confirmation or congressional oversight, then takeover of major industries, now unregulated inquisitors.  What's next, Americorp becoming a domestic paramilitary force?

298

It's a good thing that the prosecutors won't really be comfortable with the term "victory," huh guys?

 

Wait what?

299 Just heard on the news that essentially the CIA has been relieved of its command so that now a nonresidentially run group is going to be doing interrogations.  Wow, so this must go hand in hand with that?

Posted by: curious at August 24, 2009 05:33 PM (p302b)

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama has approved creation of a new, special terrorism-era interrogation unit to be supervised by the White House, a top aide said Monday, further distancing his administration from President George W. Bush's detainee policies.

I'm guessing that Barry's new group will go after terrorists like people who attend Tea Parties and those against his national health.

The new interrogation unit will be known by the acronym HIG.

Couldn't they get KGB to work?

300 BHO and the left want terrorist interogations run in accordance with constitutional protections - regardless if suspect is an American citizen or not. This is not new and the only way to try and do this is via the FBI and extensive oversight, probably provided by an army of x ACLU lawyers. The CIA action and Panetta's comments are just diversions and a "bone" thrown to the liberals.
Net, net it just becomes harder and harder to get info from terrorist suspects. Makes you feel safer, right ?

301 294 Amish Dude, just repeated what they said on the news.  They said the CIA is not handling interrogations anymore.  Instead, they said, the president will set up a commission that he will run made up of people from different agencies.  Never thought of what you said.

Posted by: curious at August 24, 2009 05:46 PM (p302b)

I know.  Let me lay it down:

First, if this were Bush, the Left would be H-O-W-L-I-N-G.  They would call it a secret police.  They would say that he's bringing it in-house, without even allowing the CIA to be involved so that he could personally put bamboo under fingernails.  Even responsible lefties (as opposed to the Olbermann types) would not stand for this, and for good reason.

Second, intelligence services are some of the most precisely delineated agencies in the government.  For example, the NSA gives small grants to encourage mathematics professors who do research in areas the NSA cares about.  The NSA cannot give the money to people without a green card or citizenship because the NSA is not permitted to give money to foreign assets.

Third, it sounds like this setup does not have Congressional oversight.  As we know from the Church commission, etc., the intelligence agencies are strictly overseen by Congress, if for no other reason than to be a whipping boy for the Left.

I do not think a personal secret police is too hysterical a way to describe this.  There is no check on this at all, but because Obama's a "good guy" and the CIA are "bad guys" then this is the way it should be done, donchaknow.

I am not an expert on this stuff, but I expect some righteous indignation coming soon.

302 BHO will use the IRS', DOJ and congress to attack his enemies, not this new FBI managed group. After all, too many protections exist for suspected terrorists with this.
Now anyone associated with any movement considered as a "hate group", (NRA, tea parties, ect) will be audited and investigated. PS Liberal, black focused pressure groups with racist tendencies...need not worry as they are exempt. Hate is only a "white" thing.

303

288, I consider myself a small l libertarian as well.

That was a lament. Not a dagger.

Because I find myself politically homeless. The GOP has gone too soft and the Libertarian party has been co-opted by the Alex Jones types who will cheer this.

One group (the GOP) will shun me because I am a hardliner on certain civil liberties. The other because I'm OK with the pre-emptive foreign policy of the Bush Admin.

Frankly, I'm sick of it all.

304 AmishDude, you are spot on with your previous post except for your last point, the righteous indignation will only be coming from the Right, thus it won't be covered by any news agency.  This whole vile ploy will be portrayed as reasonable and necessary by our ever increasingly disengenuous media.

305 Hasn't there always been tension between the FBI and the CIA.  so who is running the FBI cause they just got the leg up on the CIA.

306 Also, WH and BHO stooges will be directing friends like NYT. WaPo, MSDNC to do stories and investigate all these groups. It has been very easy for the WH to imply that all these people attending town halls who oppose BHO are "nuts".
Also, using the Clinton, model BHO will use friendly x FBI and SS agents and their firms to investigate opponents. Liberal members of congress can also request/demand info like they are doing to the health insurance providers.

307 the righteous indignation will only be coming from the Right,

Right, but I expect it to come from people who matter.  I should have made it clear that I thought that informed people -- former CIA, former DIA, etc. -- would start complaining.  From there, I'd expect the Krauthammers, etc., to pound on it.

Unless I'm misinterpreting this, it's even something the ACLU will oppose.  Not that they'll make a big deal of it, mind you, but they will go on record against it.

Maybe that's the super-Alinsky strategy, to make people even madder at the administration to distract us.

308 Lets call him Dangerous Dick Holder....  Eric is too innocuous and dignified a name for this legal asshat.

309 They should let Sesame Street and Barny do the interrogations.  Fuckers would crack in 5 minutes.  I surely couldn't take that kinda shit for much longer.

310 Wow, Bill Whittle on fire.

Watch this video.

Though he's talking about political correctness, he could easily be talking about these efforts by Obama to delegitimize the war effort following 911.

And turn Sept 11 into "service day" as if the American people needed to atone for 911 with a day of sacrifice and service.

311

"Let's not blame the 52% all the time, after all they took John McCain at his word when he said Obama is a good man.  McCain spent more political capital defending his opponent than his own running mate.  What's more, he has been unusually quiet of late.'

Maybe he's locked himself in a closet, giving himself Helium enemas (see the Michael Jackson thread)

312

In regard to CNN asking why Obama is on vacation when this story breaks, CNN called this Obama's "first vacation as president".

313 Couldn't they get KGB to work?

Believe it or not, that acronym is too benign. By the time the Chekists had reorganized as the KGB in '54, the bulk of the really evil, heinous shit had already happened.

NKVD is more appropriate, I think.

314 today caught an interview with a physician who said the swine flu is weaker than the regular flu and the vaccine is dangerous.  So why is Fox news trying to work everyone into a frenzy.

315

Eric is too innocuous and dignified a name

Thank you!

316 Holder better not schedule any private plane trips in the near future.

317 WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama has approved creation of a new, special terrorism-era interrogation unit to be supervised by the White House, a top aide said Monday, further distancing his administration from President George W. Bush's detainee policies.

Interrogate who, the Reaper takes no prisoners.

318 #314

Maddox is wondering about that as well.

I hope I get swine flu.

319 This administration can go FUCK itself.

320 Update: as of 5 p.m., Senators Lieberman and McConnell issued separate statements blasting Holder. FWIW.

321 It's all so stunning. What has happened to our country.

322 319 This administration can go FUCK itself.

*** THREAD WINNER ***

323 74: America's First One-Term Only African American President

FIFY

324 "Unrestricted Warfare"
Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui
(Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)

Online book. Worth the time...

325 For better or worse, the CIA will go after anyone who tries to attack their little fiefdom. I wouldn't be surprised if some embarrassing and possibly career ending stories about both Holder and Durham get leaked to the press.

326

Can't we just call it a game now and do the chaos thing? 

i'm with this guy.

327

This is fucking stupid. I'd rather put my trust in an established, shadowy, government-run intelligence agency over a Presidential Administration that can't get out of it's own fucking way.

Obama is the most brain-dead, corrupt, inept, arrogant, superficial, narcissictic, self-centered lying asshole I've ever seen.

I don't give a fuck about his nationality or his college records.

I don't give a fuck about his family, friends or associates.

I want this anti-American Socialist voted out of power. Period.

 

328 Obama owns this.  It is being done at HIS direction.  Let's not forget that early on he said HE would define the vision and provide the direction on how his administration would run.  Gibbs can't get away with this ludicrous cop out.  Or, if it's true then O'doofus has zero control of the government, is incapable of leading and should be impeached.  If this is going to happen, but the President has "said all along" he wasn't for it, then ipso facto it should happen.  The incompetence of the administration is glaring at us, yet the media seems to be blind.  Noone calls him on it, no follow up to such statements, like are you f-ing kidding me??!!!  You wanted transparency, well there it is.  The facade that this is the most bestest president and administration ever has gone from opaque to clear.  That is, it's clear they are all incompetents.  So the next question anyone, ANYONE, EVERYONE should ask Pillsbury Gibbs is:

"Since the AG is going forward with this investigation against the President's stated desire, can the American people safely assume that he's simply a figure head and people in his administration do what they want, that people do what they want regardless of what he says meaning he has no leadership qualities, or is this exactly what he wants and is just lying to the American people so he can shift blame elsewhere?"

Who has the f-ing guts in the WH press corp?  Who?  Give me a f-ing opportunity and I'll ask this pu$$y some f-ing hard questions, but in a polite fashion as stated above.  I dare ya, I double-dare you, triple-quadruple dare you to let me ask just one freaking question.  PLEASE!!!

329 As for insurgent operations ...or even counter-insurgent operations? Certain aspects of The Vanguard Theory are counter-productive. (You'll win all the battles, but you'll lose the war.)

330 Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the Attorney General.

He can't quit voting present.

331 Maybe someone can help me here.....

How, exactly, did Obama inherit this from Bush?  I just want to be ready when that little gem drops from the Fischer-Price keyboards of our resident idiots trolls.

332 Mark Levine is talking about a federal lawsuit filed to find out what the wicked witch of the west knew about the interrogations and when she knew it.  Levine thinks she will step down if it is found that she lied.  So that would be one down.  Now he is talking about Harry Reid being in trouble particularly cause of the prez's remark about "don't go to Las Vegas".  That would be two down.   Who replaces both of them.  Who are their counterparts in the Senate.  Guess we should assume chuckie Shumer will replace someone?

333 Glenn Beck has some very interesting info this week. Such as: At least one radical communist group wrote part of the stimulus bill. 1,200 page bills don't materialize out of thin air, and they were ready very quickly - as if they were drafted long before. The entire stimulus bill appears to be looting the treasury to pay off contributors and fund radical organizations. Which makes me wonder if Obama is just a figurehead, and if so, who is the Emperor to his Darth Vader?

334 129 The CIA, as an entity, will take this right up the ass for Obama.  However, I am sure there are plenty of people in the CIA not take this sitting down.

And Obama will get even uglier.  Remember, we'll dealing with those who make up laws as they go along.

335

Ultimately, determinations about whether someone broke the law are made independently by the Attorney General.

Could someone please explain to our Constiutional Law Professor in Chief that the Attorney General, as a member of the Cabinent, serves at the pleasure of the President. If "The One" does not want this idiotic witchhunt to go on, all he has to do is simply instruct his subordinate to stop.  Typical Obama, wants it both ways. Whoever said he still can't quit voting present got it right.

336 Didn't JFK appoint RFK as Attorney General?

337 The entire stimulus bill appears to be looting the treasury to pay off contributors and fund radical organizations.

Posted by: obama is a traitor at August 24, 2009 07:24 PM (Qt4Y7)

Section 164 Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize a retiree reinsurance health fund up to 10 billion dollars to assist participating employment-based plans (unions, community organizers, etc.) with the cost of providing health benefits to retirees and to eligible spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees.

338

Pelosi and Reid are bulletproof. Their far left constituents will make sure of it.

The only way to turn the tide is to vote Dems out and vote Libertarians and Republicans in.

Flood the zone! 

339 Is it true that the Washington Post had a negative article about the First  lady?

340 Rumor has it that her wiki entry was changed so instead of being three years older than hubby, she is now three years younger.  Why would someone do that when it was clear from the get go that she was older and in fact his boss at his first law firm job?  This is driving some of my totally following friends nuts.

341 OK, it is definitely not torture to threaten to stuff a frozen tube of Jimmy Dean's original pure pork sausage up a terrorist's ass and superglue the sphincter.  I think it is within the bounds of normal interrogation techniques to suggest this, but that's not the same as actually doing it.  You see the distinction, don't you?  Mind you I would follow up with actually doing it too.  Fuckers deserve worse than that, you know.  Then I'd duct tape him to the front of a drone aircraft, eyes forward, and fly him right into that cliff where the big buddha statues were.  Videotape the whoile thing too, from my perspective and his, for use with the next interrogation.  That after explaining that Mohammad didn't really say they would get 72 virgins, but rather that he said they would get to be the virgins for 72 syphillitic mullahs. 

342

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الحلقه الثانيه من مسلسل شر النفوس 2- الحلقه الثانيه من شر النفوس الجزء الثاني

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الحلقه الاولى من مسلسل فنجان الدم-الحلقه الاولى من فنجان دم

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الحلقه الاولى من مسلسل كلام نسوان ‏

الحلقه الثانيه من مسلسل كلام نسوان

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Obama is no figurehead. He is well aware of what he is doing. It is purposful. Congratulations 52%, you've elected a traitor as President.

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إنشودة سير يادجله ، تحميل إنشودة سير يادجله ، فيديو كليب سير يادجله ، سير يادجله صوت
القران كامل بصوت الشيخ ماهر المعيقلي تحميل قراءات الشيخ ماهر المعيقلي
إنشودة الغشاش تحميل إنشودة الغشاش أناشيد قناة كراميش أناشيد مجاهد هشام
نشيد مشتاقلك مشتاق للمنشد المبدع عزام الخضري انشوده روعه تحميل انشوده عزام الخضري
إنشودة حامد الضبعان للامير سلطان فيديو كليب حامد الضبعان للامير سلطان
إنشودة صدفه فيديو كليب إنشودة صدفه أناشيد حامد الضبعان‏
إنشودة لما نستشهد بصوت شباب السعوديين طيور الجنه بالسعوديه
انشودة كتكوت تحميل انشودة الكتكوت اناشيد طيور الجنه تحميل انشودة كتكوت صوت
انشودة يازمان الاه عشت المستحيل
جديد المنشد عبدالله شرف فيديو كليب { سبحانك } تحميل فيديو كليب سبحانك انشودة روعه
انشودة انت الزعيم لا تبالي تحميل اناشيد الهلال انشودة انت الزعيم لا تبالي
إنشودة فديت اللي تذكرني ، تحميل إنشودة فديت اللي تذكرني ، فديت اللي تذكرني
اناشيد اسلاميه 2009 ، اناشيد اناشيد جديده اغاني مسحوبه الموسيقى
إنشودة ياليتني ماعرفت الحب أناشيد إسلاميه
إنشودة نظرة عينك تحميل أناشيد عمر الصعيدي تحميل إنشودة نظرة عينك
أناشيد سامي يوسف تحميل أناشيد سامي يوسف أناشيد يوسف بدون موسيقى
انشودة يالسعوديه تحميل إنشودة يالسعوديه للمنشد عمر الصعيدي أناشيد طيور الجنه
تحميل انشودة الله يا الله بصوت الفنان حسين الجسمي - كلمات انشودة الفنان حسين الجسمي الله يا الله
انشودة يمه اتركيني انشوده حزينه انشوده عن فراق الاب انشوده جديده
تحميل انشودة ارجوك يكفي غياب تحميل انا شيد عبدالقادر الهدهود
انشوده بدايه هم تحميل انشوده بدايه هم أناشيد مصعب المقرن
إنشودة أشتقت لك - أناشيد إسلاميه
أنشودة يا صاحبي عشنا وشفنا والزمن غير الزمن تحميل أناشيد فراق الاصدقاء
إنشودة عن مصر ما تسألنيش ، تحميل إنشودة عن مصر ما تسألنيش ، عن مصر ما تسألنيش ، أناشيد عمر الصعيدي ، أناشيد طيور الجنه
اناشيد ابو حسن القحطاني ، اناشيد فديت اللي تذكرني فديت اللي ذكر خله
أنشودة يمه خلاص من بكاي جفت دموعي أنشودة عن الأم
أناشيد المنشد محمد الجبالي المنشد محمد الجبالي أناشيد إسلاميه للمنشد محمد الجبالي
أنشودة رفيقي ياهلا والله لمصعب المقرن أنشوده جديده لمصعب المقرن
مكتبة الاناشيد الاسلاميه بصيغة mb3
شريط اجامل الثاني ، اناشيد شريط اجامل 2 ، شريط اجامل سمير البشيري ، اناشيد سمير البشيري ، أناشيد أجامل للمنشد سمير البشيري

قصيدة احبك جدا قصيدة حب قصيده روعه تصميم شعري روعه
تحميل قصيدة الحلم مسموعه لحامد زيد قصيدة الحلم مسموعه للشاعر حامد زيد أروع قصائد حامد زيد
قصائد الشاعر محمد بن جار الله السهلي أشعار صوتيه للشاعر محمد بن جار الله السهلي
والله واحشني زمانك
الشاعر سعد علوش قصايد الشاعر سعد علوش قصائد الشاعر سعد علوش صوتيه قصائد صوتيه
الوداع سعد علوش
قصيده سالم السيار <هذا هو اللي تبيه>‏
قصائد سعد علوش بدون موسيقى ، أشعار سعد علوش بدون موسيقى ، قصائد الشاعر سعد علوش
ودي أشوفك للشاعر حيدر بوشهري
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يوتوب القصائد المسموعه
قصائد الشاعر حامد زيد
قصائد مسموعه لسعد علوش
قصائد حامد زيد بدون موسيقى ، قصائد صوتيه لحامد زيد ، قصائد حامد زيد صوتيه بدون موسيقى‏
قصائد صوتيه للشاعر محمد جار الله السهلي
قصائد صوتيه للشاعر فهد المساعد الشاعر فهد المساعد تحميل شعر صوتي قصائد صوتيه

وش جاه محبوبي مشى وخلاني مابين نيراني وبين احزني / رواية جريئة رومانسية‏
والله أحبك يشهد الله علي قصة سعودية روعه
رواية عشاق من أحفاد الشياطين...للكاتبه متكحله بدم خاينها..
قصة روحي تناديك روووومانسية
قصة تايتنك الحقيقة بالصور
الرواية السعودية ^^^بدر سامحني^^^ رواية رومنسية جريئة

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تيشيرتات بنات تي شيرتات روعه بلايز نايس بلايز صبايا ~ موديلات مراهقات
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فساتين سهره قصيره فساتين نعومه فساتين قصيره 2009
فستان الفنانه نجوى كرم فساتين نجوى كرم 2009 صور فساتين صور فساتين جديده للفنانه نجوى كرم
عبايات خليجيه عبايات مطرزه موديلات عبايات
شنط و احذيه ماركات عالميه صور شنط موديلات و موضة 2009‏
أزياء صينيه 2009 موديلات صينيه ستايلات صينيه ملابس صينيه 2009
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فستان ميساء المغربي الزيتي صور فستان الفنانه ميساء المغربي الزيتي أناقة ميساء المغربي
فساتين للبنوتات فساتين نعومه فساتين جونان فساتين قصيره 2009
أزياء الفنانه سيلينا قومز فساتين Selena Gomez أناقة الفنانه سيلينا قومز ستايلات الفنانه Selena Gomez
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اناقة مايلي سايرس صور فساتين مايلي سايرس موديلات الممثله مايلي سايرس صور مايلي سايرس 2009
اناقه نجمات هوليود ازياء نجمات هوليود
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صور فساتين ناعمه صور فساتين 2009 فساتين صيفيه 2010 فساتين ناعمه 2009 موديلات فساتين ناعمه
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صور فساتين ياسمين عبدالعزيز صور ياسمين عبدالعزيز اناقة الممثله ياسمين عبدالعزيز
احدث عبايات الخليج عبايات 2009 عبايات 2010 عبايات قريبا في الاسواق عبايات حاليا في الاسواق
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فساتين سهره ازياء المصمم وليد عطاالله موديلات فساتين وليد عطاالله - فساتين سهرات
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فساتين سهره 2009 ، فساتين ناعمه ، موديلات فساتين سهره ، أزياء فساتين ناعمه ، فساتين 2009 ، فستان ناعم ، فستان نعومي
فساتين سهره, فساتين افراح, صور موديلات, صور أزياء, أحدث موضه , أحدث موديلات ,صور موديلات فساتين سهره 2009
جلابيات خليجيه جلابيات روعه جلابيات 2009 جلبيات روعه موديلات جلابيات
فساتين بناتيه فساتين بناتيه قصيره فساتين 2009 ناعمه فساتين قصيره 2009
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بيجامات مراهقات بيجامات بنات روعه بيجامات نوم ~ ملابس نوم
فساتين للبنات جديده ، فساتين اعراس للبنات ، فساتين للبنات الصغار
ازياء باربي 2009 , فساتين باربي 2010 , فساتين زواج باربي 2009
لفات طرح للمصمم جيلان عاطف لفات طرح كاجوال للمحجبات
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الاستايل اليابانى أناقة بنات اليابان موديلات يابانيه
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فساتين قصيره 2009 بلايز 2009 بناطيل طويله 2009 موديلات فساتين روعه
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فساتين الممثله الهنديه Katrina Kaif 2009 -2010
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أناقة الفنانه نجوى كرم فساتين نجوى كرم 2009
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مسكات للعرائس مسكات فخمه مسكات ملونه
صور فساتين المصممه هويدا البريدي 2009 موديلات المصممه هويدا البريدي أزياء المصممه هويدا البريدي صور فساتين 2010 للمصممه هويدا البريدي
أزياء لون اسود فساتين سهره لون اسود فساتين قصيره أسود أناقة الون الاسود‏
صور فساتين افراح فساتين افراح احلى فساتين 2009 فساتين سهرات‏
فساتين احمد بدوي, صور فساتين زفاف احمد بدوي,فساتين زفاف احمد بدوي 2009,فساتين زفاف المصمم احمد بدوي,تصاميم احمد بدوي
فساتين زفاف فساتين جديدة فساتين فخمة وروعة
فساتين زفاف فساتين زواج فساتين عرايس ~ موديلات فساتين زواج
فساتين باللون الاحمر فساتين باللون الاسود فساتين روعة‏
جلابيات الفنانه ميساء المغربي 2010
فساتين ديانا كرازون أزياء الفنانه ديانا كرازون فساتين زفاف الفنانه ديانا كرازون
كولكشن جنان كولكشن للبنوتات أزياء للبنات موديلات ملابس للبنات 2009
فساتين سيلينا قومز ، فساتين selena ، أزياء سيلينا قومز ، بلايز سيلينا قومز ، بلايز selena ، أناقة سيلينا قومز
ازياء ازياء حليمه ازياء حليمه بولند ازياء المذيعه حليمه بولند ازياء حليمه بولند ازياء المذيعه الكويتيه حليمه بولند 2009 ازياء حليمه بولند 2010
فساتين فساتين للعرايس فساتين زفاف فساتين للزواج فساتين المصممMax Chaoul فساتين فخمه فساتين جديده فساتين 2010 فساتين كشخه‏
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موديلات فساتين تركيه 2009 فساتين تركيه موديلات فساتين سهره تركيه
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موديلات المصممه كاجوال ملابس المصممه كاجوال للمتحجبات أزياء للمتحجبات 2009
ازياء ازياء فخمه ازياء روعه ازياء جديده فساتين فساتين للمناسبات فساتين للحفلات فساتين 2010 فساتين من فينيسيا مول بالدمام‏
فساتين كم طويل - فساتين ساتره - فساتين طويله - فساتين سهره كم طويل
فساتين سهره فساتين 2009 فساتين مصممين فساتين ملونه
ملابس روعه ، موديلات يابانيه ، ستايلات يابانيه ، فساتين يابانيه ، ملابس يابانيه
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صور فساتين الفنانه يارا أناقة الفنانه يارا فساتين 2009 للفنانه يارا‏
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اناقة الفنانه هيفاء وهبي فساتين الفنانه هيفاء وهبي
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