Obama's DOJ Recommends Prosecuting CIA Employees for Detainee Abuse
After suggesting that he wanted to "move forward" and not dwell on the past, it's not surprising that Obama's Department of Justice is reversing course on this. The President's support among his far Left base has waned as he adopted more and more Bush 43 policies of the War on Terrorism.The President's refusal to go after the CIA and its contractors took the far Left pretty hard. They wanted a bloodletting, but he wasn't ready to set that precedent. And he didn't need to do it back in the "good old days"--the first months of his presidency--when he enjoyed overwhelming support.
When the C.I.A. first referred its inspector general’s findings to prosecutors, they decided that none of the cases merited prosecution. But Mr. Holder’s associates say that when he took office and saw the allegations, which included the deaths of people in custody and other cases of physical or mental torment, he began to reconsider. With the release of the details on Monday and the formal advice that at least some cases be reopened, it now seems all but certain that the appointment of a prosecutor or other concrete steps will follow, posing significant new problems for the C.I.A. It is politically awkward, too, for Mr. Holder because President Obama has said that he would rather move forward than get bogged down in the issue at the expense of his own agenda. The advice from the Office of Professional Responsibility strengthens Mr. Holder’s hand. The recommendation to review the closed cases, in effect renewing the inquiries, centers mainly on allegations of detainee abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Justice Department report is to be made public after classified information is deleted from it.Now that the President needs to recapture some of his lost political capital, here come the prosecutions.
1 Eric Holder is so hawt.
I want him to Hold onto my big cow udders for dear life while he mounts meas the raging man-bull that he is.
Posted by: The MEGALISCIOUS Meghan McCain at August 24, 2009 12:41 AM (VRZ7Z)
2 Now that the President needs to recapture some of his lost political capital, here come the prosecutions.
Posted by: YIKES! at August 24, 2009 12:41 AM (tFrIQ)
3 was wondering whatthey would roll out to take attention off the fact that every single one ofbo's plans has failed so far.
Posted by: trailortrash at August 24, 2009 12:42 AM (wiDZf)
4 Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is smiling.
Posted by: Angry White Dude at August 24, 2009 12:43 AM (5ExE9)
5 Let the show trials commence!
Posted by: kefka at August 24, 2009 12:44 AM (udoJ3)
6 I thought it was laughing at the idea of ever legalizing marijuana that took the left pretty hard. Or that the new golden age for Gay rights failed to materialize. Oh well, whatever. Time to toss them a bone I guess.
Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at August 24, 2009 12:48 AM (YMZjg)
7 What took Team Obama Axelrod so long? He should fire himself for ineptitude. Or at least appoint a Prosecution Czar.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 24, 2009 12:49 AM (JamGx)
8 Somewhere, Jimmy Carter Lavrentiy Beria is smiling.
Posted by: Dave J. at August 24, 2009 12:49 AM (uiSxm)
9 It won't stop here.
That's a re-prediction prediction.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 24, 2009 12:54 AM (eiOZw)
10 Does Obama and Holder really think this is going to get them anything but a load of grief? The American people don't give a rat's ass about these detainees. A lot of them wonder why we have held them alive for so many years when they were caught red-handed. Letting them go free has really given us something to shout about. Most of them end up right back where they started, killing Americans. I'm sure the terrorists are laughing at us for being so soft as they torture and behead our soldiers and allies.
Posted by: BarbaraS at August 24, 2009 12:55 AM (8b4rY)
11 And just think of the urghers living in paradise on our dime. Wonder how long it will take these guys to kill someone for wearing a bathing suit.
Posted by: BarbaraS at August 24, 2009 12:57 AM (8b4rY)
12 So on the front page of the NYTimes, they'll lead with this story. I wonder where they'll place Team Obama's heretofore minimally announced $2,000,000,000,000 deficit increase Obama dropped last Friday evening?
And isn't there a limit to the number of times the Nazi racist distraction card can be played?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 24, 2009 12:59 AM (JamGx)
no, this is a sop to the Kos Kidz in order to buck them up after what has happened recently.
Posted by: eddiebear at August 24, 2009 01:00 AM (xhUKJ)
14 The left roots wants Cheney's head on a pike but Holder had a taste of Cheney Pushback and I don't think they want any more, especially with what discovery would reveal. A right cock hammer from the Lord Sith would be awesome to behold. That's why they won't gamble on it. I so hope I'm wrong.
Posted by: 'Nother Dave at August 24, 2009 01:00 AM (XhmyD)
15 By now it should be abundantly clear that you have to pay attention to what this administration does, not only to what it says, which often only serves as a distraction. What they are doing is dismantling the USA, a bit at a time.
Posted by: rawmuse at August 24, 2009 01:04 AM (sZNLt)
16 BarbaraS: "Does Obama and Holder really think this is going to get them anything but a load of grief? The American people don't give a rat's ass about these detainees..."
Shhh. Ixnay onway ethay arecay aboutway erroriststay alktay.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 24, 2009 01:04 AM (JamGx)
17 They are really going to stick up for worthless scum like Al Nashiri, well not surprising the projected head of the OLC, DAwn Johnsen referred to Bush's lawyers as mob consiglieris
Posted by: ian cormac at August 24, 2009 01:08 AM (1kwr2)
18 Ah, now Obama unmasks to fight the real enemy, THE CIA. Kudos my anti-American president. Poon must have some tiny little wood rolling about now.
I wish I could say I was surprised, anybody who didn't see this coming is kidding themselves.
This is going to bite him in the ass big-time. It'll bit all of us in the ass when our intel gurus start playing defense. Not to sound like a drama-queen, but this is going to cost us lives, if it hasn't already.
Posted by: Carl Hungus at August 24, 2009 01:10 AM (dwjQ+)
19 It gets much worse. Meet the new FBI-run interrogation unit - the "HIG"
CIA, out. FBI, in. Welcome to the world of law enforcement only against terrorism.
a HIG is born. More Crazy-Town from Obama - the end of the CIA, the birth of the HIG - High-Value
Detainee Interrogation Group
President Obama has approved the creation of an elite team of
interrogators to question key terrorism suspects, part of a broader
effort to revamp U.S. policy on detention and interrogation, senior
administration officials said Sunday.
Obama signed off late last week on the unit, named the High-Value
Detainee Interrogation Group, or HIG. Made up of experts from several
intelligence and law enforcement agencies, the interrogation unit will
be housed at the FBI but will be overseen by the National Security
Council -- shifting the center of gravity away from the CIA and giving
the White House direct oversight.
Seeking to signal a clean break from the Bush administration, Obama
moved to overhaul interrogation and detention guidelines soon after
taking office, including the creation of a task force on interrogation
and transfer policies. The task force, whose findings will be made
public Monday, recommended the new interrogation unit, along with other
changes regarding the way prisoners are transferred overseas.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 24, 2009 01:10 AM (f0t8F)
20 President Obama has approved the creation of an elite team of
interrogators to question key terrorism suspects,
Translaton: Anybody who opposes Obmamcare.
Posted by: YIKES! at August 24, 2009 01:15 AM (tFrIQ)
21 ok, somebody's gotta say it.
WHY THE FUCK is obama attacking Americans who KILL TERRORISTS, instead of stopping a KILLER TERRORIST from getting away to Libya?
WHAT THE FUCK????????????????????????????????????????
Lockerbiebomber released, Obama does Ramadan address like an average Middle Eastern leader, Obama destroys the CIA. What a great few days its been.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 24, 2009 01:18 AM (f0t8F)
Posted by: Leon Panetta at August 24, 2009 01:21 AM (tFrIQ)
23 I quit.
Sockpuppet, do you really think that Leon has that much integrity?
Posted by: David in San Diego at August 24, 2009 01:23 AM (GF+6V)
24 Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter@21,
You're asking this about a guy, a POTUS no less, who bowed to a sheik?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 24, 2009 01:25 AM (JamGx)
25 What was I thinking?
Was I drunk or something when I took the job?
Why in the fuck did I leave my cozy job back home?
WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKING?
Posted by: Leon Panetta at August 24, 2009 01:27 AM (tFrIQ)
26 Here's another tidbit on what Britain was planning with Libya. Obama knew full well that Brown was going this way and did nothing. Nothing. Instead, he decided to attack Americans who are trying to kill and capture terrorists, effectively gutting our present anti terrorism capacity for at least a few months.
All in the name of changing the media narrative becaues he's getting crushed on health care. Great President we have here.
Mr. Brown, who has been outspoken about business opportunities in
Libya, discussed Megrahi's prospective release with Gadhafi at the G-8
summit in July, while U.K. Business Secretary Peter Mandelson had his
own discussions with Seif. A letter to Mr. MacAskill from Foreign
Office Minister Ivan Lewis noted that no legal reason prevented
Megrahi's release, and added that "I hope on this basis you will now
feel able to consider the Libyan application."
Prince Andrew has previously led trade
delegations to Libya and was planning to attend a forthcoming gala
celebration in honor of Gadhafi's 1969 seizure of power. That trip has
now been scrapped, though we wonder what part of Gadhafi's dictatorship
it would have been appropriate for the Prince to celebrate: the
terrorism abroad, or the brutality at home?
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 24, 2009 01:27 AM (f0t8F)
27 Sockpuppet, do you really think that Leon has that much integrity?
Posted by: David in San Diego at August 24, 2009 01:23 AM (GF+6V)
Your asking me a liberal democrat about integrity?
Posted by: Leon Panetta at August 24, 2009 01:29 AM (tFrIQ)
28 Worst. Mulatto. President. Evah!
Posted by: TexasJew at August 24, 2009 01:29 AM (aUsM0)
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter@21,
You're asking this about a guy, a POTUS no less, who bowed to a sheik?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 24, 2009 01:25 AM (JamGx)
yea, i guess im a cup half full guy. i just cant believe how irresponsible with American lives this President is being. Obama just crippled America's counterterrorism capacity. Lord knows if we'll ever get it back up and running again. This is like a bad episode of 24 - BUT, Jack Ryan aint coming back. It's over.
Scary, scary times.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 24, 2009 01:30 AM (f0t8F)
30 Remember the CIA leaks during Bush's presidency ?
I'm not entirely sure I shouldn't be cheering.
Posted by: Last Minute Moron at August 24, 2009 01:31 AM (a4o2p)
31 It's far easier for a dem president to tear down, say the CIA than it would be for a Republican.
Posted by: Last Minute Moron at August 24, 2009 01:32 AM (a4o2p)
32 I'm still shaking my head over the "Office of Professional Responsibility".
What overstaffed agency is that a part of?
Posted by: Larry at August 24, 2009 01:33 AM (xa1/W)
I wonder at rate the leaks will be coming out of the CIA?
Posted by: YIKES! at August 24, 2009 01:33 AM (tFrIQ)
34 This will backfire on 'em big time.
Posted by: profligatewaste at August 24, 2009 01:34 AM (b3rrc)
35 So now isAG Stedman Grahamgoing to hire the fucking Black Panthers as CIA agents to replace thecurrent agentshe'd going to prosecute?
No wonder Oprah cut him out of her will!!
Posted by: TexasJew at August 24, 2009 01:35 AM (aUsM0)
36 While there is some thought that the CIA needs it's ass kicked a little because of all the politics they play, I'm not so sure that its a good idea to have a special group of interrogators that answers only to the WH.
Scary stuff there when you think about it.
Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at August 24, 2009 01:35 AM (bHSTt)
37 Holder better not have any pictures lying around of him having sex with a Cocker Spaniel...
Posted by: Ian Fleming at August 24, 2009 01:36 AM (aUsM0)
38 I'm still shaking my head over the "Office of Professional Responsibility".
What overstaffed agency is that a part of?
Posted by: Larry at August 24, 2009 01:33 AM (xa1/W)
DOJ i think.
Sad day in America. the American President just declared open war on America's counterterrorism capabilities - so that he can get health care passed.
pathetic, despicable and sadly historic.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 24, 2009 01:37 AM (f0t8F)
39 Now if I were in the CIA, what interesting facts might I have to leak? Hmmmm, lemme think a minute......Indonesia, Pakistan, college transcripts, funding for college, fund raiser table companions (with video), Ayers .....
Posted by: 'Nother Dave at August 24, 2009 01:39 AM (XhmyD)
Now if I were in the CIA, what interesting facts might I have to leak?
Hmmmm, lemme think a minute......Indonesia, Pakistan, college
transcripts, funding for college, fund raiser table companions (with
video), Ayers .....
Posted by: 'Nother Dave at August 24, 2009 01:39 AM (XhmyD)
You really think Obama's Machine doesn't have this covered?
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 24, 2009 01:41 AM (f0t8F)
Gee you would think that President Wee Weed was trying to distract us or something,
My guess this is going to accelerate his slide downward in the polls.
Posted by: YIKES! at August 24, 2009 01:42 AM (tFrIQ)
42 Mommy, make it stop...
Posted by: Joan Crawford at August 24, 2009 01:42 AM (aUsM0)
43 What overstaffed agency is that a part of?DOJ i think.
It was somewhat of a rhetorical question. It doesn't really matter anyway, none of those Beltway butt-pirates pays attention to them. It just struck me as funny (strange, not ha-ha) that there would have to be an entire office for that.
It's probably just a single desk in the basement. And the guy that sits there is mumbling something about his stapler.
Posted by: Larry at August 24, 2009 01:43 AM (xa1/W)
44 We are so hosed! The amazing thing is that people who voted aainst Bush
because they were sick of him, Iraq, and Republican bungling have
magically been transformed in Obama and Pelosi's eyes are card carrying
Leftists mainly demanding more rights for terrorists and more Socialist
solutions by an all-powerful Government to any domestic problem.
"Under the new guidelines, interrogators must stay within the
parameters of the Army Field Manual when questioning suspects. The task
force concluded -- unanimously, officials said -- that "the Army Field
Manual provides appropriate guidance on interrogation for military
interrogators and that no additional or different guidance was
necessary for other agencies,"
An Amry field manual meant for untrained E-1s who might encounter a surrendering enemy on the battlefield.
Something so restrictive most US criminal prosecutors and police
detectives are in violation of it daily as they interrogate over far
more banal crimes than terrorism and its mass murder.
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 24, 2009 01:45 AM (f0t8F)
It's located right next to "The Office of Jerking Off Into a Dixie Cup"
Posted by: TexasJew at August 24, 2009 01:46 AM (aUsM0)
46 You really think Obama's Machine doesn't have this covered?
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 24, 2009 01:41 AM (f0t8F)
Oh my guess the spooks at CIA have a personality profile on him and know how the Chicago crowd play.It's gonna get ugly.
Posted by: YIKES! at August 24, 2009 01:48 AM (tFrIQ)
47 ANYTHING FOR A DISTRACTION OF THE BEATING THEY ARE TAKING IN THE HEALTH CARE DEBATE.
DON'T LET IT WORK.
Posted by: Chilly in Alaska at August 24, 2009 02:00 AM (IHP71)
48 What was I thinking?Was I drunk or something when I took the job?Why in the fuck did I leave my cozy job back home?WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKING?
Welcome to the party, pal.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 24, 2009 02:20 AM (9Lm5R)
49 Obama has a couple of plays here. First, he WANTS a mass-casualty terror attack, because he believes it will allow him to "Rahm through" emergency rule-by-decree measures. It is his view of his very own Reichstag Fire. Of course, being a stupid moron, he and his team don't get that a mass casualty attack will have most figuring he did everything he could to create it, no one trusts him, and the result will be his behind impeached and convicted.
But clearly that's his gamble. He also thinks that because the media is worshipping him as the naked unicorn riding messiah, nothing the CIA can do will screw him over. Again, the thoughts of a low-level, simple minded racial shakedown artist.
He is at war with the CIA. He has clearly put them on the defensive, so they cannot and will not protect America from another attack. He's also created a "total war" of political annihilation between him and the CIA. He wins, they mostly go to prison, they win, he does. It's that simple. But his war on the CIA could certainly have been fought with overly restrictive rules and Congress sitting in on everything (they leak like a sieve). His game is I think deeper -- he's afraid the CIA knows something ugly and dirty about his past that can destroy him. It's unclear at this point just what it is (Birth Certificate? Trip to Pakistan? Who he met there? Loans from known Jihadis? Ties to Saddam? Take your pick this guy is totally unvetted).
What can the CIA do?
First, all sorts of embarrassing memos, orders, policies, and deals that Obama has done are being collected for rapid dissemination the moment a mass casualty attack is successful. This is CYA-plus. Second, all sorts of nasty information about Obama's background, including anything possibly criminal, are being prepared. Third, and this is the big one, PERSONAL TIES to Osama bin Laden. Think the CIA does not play hardball? Think again. Obama (as I blogged) was almost certainly in radical islamist mosques in 1981-82, and 1982-83, in NYC, which is why no one at Columbia can remember him. It should not prove too hard for the CIA to find several of these people, and prepare them for public statements.
Suppose, oh I dunno, that several of his Mosque buddies SWORE that Obama supported bin Laden, and came back from Pakistan in the Summer of 1982 with photos of him meeting with Bin Laden, and there is an existing photo from that time showing the meeting?
The CIA cannot back down. If they do, they all go to jail. That's clearly Holder/Obama's objective, and it's probably being driven by something extraordinarily dirty and dangerous in Obama's past, probably a direct meeting with bin Laden and documentary evidence of the same, or something equally explosive to the American people. Obama's reaction in that situation is the Chicago Shakedown, followed by the Race Card. Obama wants anyone who knows about whatever it is (again my guess is a direct bin Laden meeting and hug) to be "dealt with." It's his way. The CIA folks know this by now. The obvious counter-move to indictments is release of everything dirty and incriminating ... to CYA.
Posted by: whiskey at August 24, 2009 03:09 AM (t3UKO)
50 The Office Of Professional Responsibility is just the name of the CIA (and FBI, for that matter) Internal Affairs Division.
Posted by: XBradTC at August 24, 2009 03:16 AM (NimeM)
51 Whatev's, dude. I'm just gonna spleef out, and let the little people run the show, while I bask in the worship of my subjects. Like anything as remote as towelhead terrorism is a worry.
I'm the Man Who Would Be Kenyan, and I'm coasting into eternity.
Posted by: Barack, Lord of the Flyswatters at August 24, 2009 03:20 AM (AZGON)
52 Let’s keep in mind that when Leon Panetta’s appointment was made Dick Morris said he was appointed to dismantle the CIA. That is what this is all about. They wish to drags this shit out over and over again to discredit and demoralize the CIA. If they can stir it up enough they can get congress to go along for some more “investigations”. At the same time they are distracting the public from their woes in healthcare and crap and tax.
They have no intention of prosecuting anyone.
Posted by: Vic at August 24, 2009 04:31 AM (CDUiN)
53 Won't work, he let the black thugs go who were attempting to prevent citizens from voting! This is will be backlash personified.
Posted by: mary at August 24, 2009 04:53 AM (3UZKk)
54 I imagine the trials will be very like these:
Moscow Show Trials, 1936
"Only one conclusion can be drawn," says Pickel. "We represent a most brutal gang of criminals who are nothing more nor less than a detachment of international fascism. Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev were our banner. To this banner were drawn not only we, the dregs of the land of Soviet, but also spies, and agents of foreign states and those sent here for diversive activities.
"The last eight years of my life have been years of baseness, years of terrible, nightmarish deeds. I must bear my deserved punishment."
Everything old is new again.
Posted by: theCork at August 24, 2009 05:41 AM (za8iP)
55 You can't effectively prosecute foreign spies in US courts, how do they expect to try our own? Chances are these go nowhere, provide a temporary bandage to the bleeding on the left, and further emasculate the CIA. Obama doesn't want these guys pulling an Ollie North in a public trial.
Makes one wonder about the photographs of agents to which the ALCU was given access. Was DOJ using the ALCU in a fishing expedition for witnesses or just prepping them for a future professional line-up? Was the leak of the story about that internal investigation meant to be a warning shot with regards to this story?
Everyone of the scumbag (terrorists #1) visited by the ALCU (scumbags #2) witness testimony is tainted. That poisoned tree shit can work both ways. Would not surprise me at all if the CIA "doubled" these leftist clowns inside the Beltway and provided pictures of a bunch of guys nearing retirement.
Posted by: Jean at August 24, 2009 05:45 AM (xCBQ4)
56 Now that the President needs to recapture some of his lost political capital, here come the prosecutions.
Right. To shore up the 20-30% of his base represented by the Kos Kidz, he's going to piss off all of the Joe Sixpack up-til-now die hard Dem voters. Does he really expect this to endear him to the Independent "Golly, that Bush makes me so mad, hey, let's try this well spoken reasonable sounding young centrist fellow!" voter? This is going to blow up in his face. He's going to end up looking like Wile E. Coyote after another run in with the Acme catalog.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at August 24, 2009 07:01 AM (Vcyz0)
57 I am SO ready for Texas to secede. Enough of this crap!
Posted by: Katy Beth at August 24, 2009 07:53 AM (XPGmE)
58 Let me know when they do. I'll have my bags packed and ready for the move.
Posted by: schneedoo at August 24, 2009 08:00 AM (KNCWm)
59 this is why Panetta ran to Congress with the info about the CIA ops which never happened. They want a dust up and prosecutions. Chill winds are blowing.
Posted by: elclynn at August 24, 2009 08:01 AM (eN5To)
60 It would be interesting to see whether or not Darth Cheney inserts himself into this.
Obviously, he knows much more about all sides of this issue than just about anyone, and is sensitive to the slandering of the CIA. Plus, he has no patience with the adolescents in the IslamObama administration.
Posted by: Doc Rochester at August 24, 2009 08:05 AM (dIIJN)
61 Oh. Maybe that's WHY DoJ didn't go after the Blank Panthers who bullied voters and damaged the US electoral system.
The DoJ was too busy preparing a case against the CIA for protecting US citizen.
Props to DoJ. Way to get your priorities straight.
I guess Hope & Change® does not include proper prioritization.
Maybe it should've been Hope, Change & No Common Sense.
Posted by: Che Pizza at August 24, 2009 08:10 AM (4iIhs)
62 So, who do you think we will hear from on this issue first?
Darth Cheney, from his stronghold in Virginia?
Sarah Palin, from her command center in Alaska?
Admiral Mullen, George Tenet, or Porter Goss?
Unknown overseas intelligence people, like the Mossad?
Posted by: Miss Marple at August 24, 2009 08:11 AM (Vli7s)
63 Somewhere, Jimmy Carter isand Osama Bin Laden are smiling.
Posted by: Che Pizza at August 24, 2009 08:14 AM (4iIhs)
64 I was wrong.
I was wah wah wah...
I was wrah wrah wrah...
I was wroaaaah wroaaaah...
I'm sorry. I can't do it, Mrs. C.
Posted by: Arthur Fonzarelli at August 24, 2009 08:20 AM (4iIhs)
65 So, the Obama Administration really wants their own Oliver North?
Posted by: Techie at August 24, 2009 08:35 AM (cxW4X)
66 So, all the people who went to go see Inglorious Basterds this past weekend, a movie about SCALPING Nazis, are supposed to care?
Protip for Obama: Joe Six-pack Redstater isn't you prototypical Tarantino opening-weekend kinda person.
Posted by: Techie at August 24, 2009 08:39 AM (cxW4X)
67 Praise Allah that Obama is reeling in the barbarous CIA. They have been the problem all along.
Posted by: Al-Qaeda at August 24, 2009 08:41 AM (muUqs)
68 good thing the CIA Agents weren't standing outside a philidelphia voting station in uniform with clubs threatening people who wanted to "steal the election from a brother". then they would have been in deep shit
Posted by: Ben at August 24, 2009 08:46 AM (wuv1c)
69 I'm shocked! Shocked! Now where are my winnings?
Posted by: alexthechick at August 24, 2009 08:51 AM (SHHaV)
70 Add this to the report that we "tortured" Al Nashiri by shooting a gun in the smae room and holding a power drill near him to gt him to talk, and it's just no surprise that we're evil.
I mean, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!, if these fucktards want to know what torture looks like, I suggest they check out the Al Quaeda manual found in Iraq. That shit is torture, this barely qualifies as hazing.
Posted by: todler at August 24, 2009 08:53 AM (fPOY0)
71 So given this story and the story about the ACLU/JAG treasonites who providedagent details to Gitmo detainees,I guessthe left is fully willing to exonerate Scooter Libby.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at August 24, 2009 09:11 AM (XoYY8)
72 All of a piece with:
Obama to destroy meaning of 911
Posted by: The Commissar of Love at August 24, 2009 09:23 AM (oEAm5)
73 When laws are broken should people be prosecuted ?
Posted by: John ryan at August 24, 2009 09:44 AM (1ZaAe)
74 Well this explains Holder dumping the Black Panther voter intimidation. He's got bigger fish to fry. Why worry about things happening here in the US, got to go overseas and dig stuff up.
This also provides a way to DISTRACT from Obama's failures at home.
2 birds, one stone.
Posted by: GarandFan at August 24, 2009 09:57 AM (qKTIT)
75 Does this mean that "I question the timing" is back in vogue?
Posted by: wiserbud at August 24, 2009 10:01 AM (wWwJR)
76 During bo's Post Racial Presidency:
BLACK panthers not prosecuted for intimidation at polls.
WHITE CIA agents prosecuted for saving us from Terrorists.
There, somebody had to say it, so I did.
Posted by: TimothyJ at August 24, 2009 10:03 AM (IKKIf)
77 When laws are broken should people be prosecuted ?
May I assume you are talking about the thugs who were engaging in voter intimidation in PA and whom Holder decided not to prosecute?
Posted by: wiserbud at August 24, 2009 10:05 AM (wWwJR)
78 I know he's long gone, but I can't help myself...
Memo to John ryan:
Go f-ck yourself. Sideways. With a pineapple.
See the immediate two prior posts (76 and 77) for reasons why.
Posted by: DocJ at August 24, 2009 10:10 AM (g8ibn)
79 If those CIA agents join the Black Panther party quickly, they're golden.
Posted by: drjohn at August 24, 2009 10:10 AM (ToVRf)
80 When laws are broken should people be prosecuted ?
Why yes, yes they should.
Let's start with events beginning in 1992 and work forward- say, right about the time over a hundred FBI files showed up in the oval office in direct contravention of THE LAW. Then let's look at vice presidents showing up at Buddhist temples to pick up bags of cash, the illegal transfer of technology to nations with somewhat less than "ally" status, look at incriminating billing records from the Rose law firm that magically appeared in the white house that were supposedly "destroyed", and perhaps roll forward to government officials "inadvertently" stuffing top secret documents from the national archive down their pants to take off site to be destroyed.
So by all means, let's start with the prosecutions, JRyan.
Posted by: Bluto Bluracecard, Delta House Class of '63 at August 24, 2009 10:13 AM (k1VN+)
81 out, out Damned Sock!
Posted by: buster mcDissenter at August 24, 2009 10:14 AM (k1VN+)
82 It is possible that at least one of these cases merits prosecution, right?
Posted by: CJ at August 24, 2009 10:22 AM (9KqcB)
83 It is possible that at least one of these cases merits prosecution, right?
Possible sure. But this Administration has so poisoned the credibility well I don't believe them when they say the sun rises in the east.
Posted by: toby928 at August 24, 2009 10:26 AM (PD1tk)
84 It is possible that at least one of these cases merits prosecution, right?Possible sure. But this Administration has so poisoned the credibility well I don't believe them when they say the sun rises in the east.
Posted by: toby928 at August 24, 2009 10:26 AM (PD1tk)
I agree, and I note that most Americans, even Democrats, don't reallytrust them on national security. But I don't want to be stupid just because they are. Prosecuting flagrant lawbreakers – if there are any -- will strengthen our hand, not weaken it.
Posted by: CJ at August 24, 2009 10:37 AM (9KqcB)
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