1 Nerds!!

2 We didn't see Aang in it, not even once.  WTF?

3 Damn straight. Looks cool.

4
Was that Max Headroom?

looks fucking dumb

5 Anyone that wears a tin slop jar on their head gotta be a dorkbat!

6

Good maybe rental.

7 Looks incredibly cheesy, in a good way though.

8 I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be into this.

9 I hope it isn't the boring disasters most humans-CGI'ed movies become: Polar Express; Beowolf.

10 Honestly, I wanted it to be an Airbender cartoon

11 This is very similar to the French CGI cartoon that was release only a short time ago called "Battle For Terra" featuring humans invading an alien world and a human that switches sides to fight against his own kind.

Hollywood is deader than Nancy Pelosi's labia majora.

12
needs Will Smith

movies with Will Smith saying, "Aww, hell nah!" and shooting an alien are 28% better than movies without Will Smith in them saying, "Aww, hell nah!" and shooting an alien.

13 The special effects have promise, but I'll bet the plot sucks: Earthlings = White Europeans/American settlers and Na'avi = injuns. Hero goes native, bags Na'avi babe, leads resistance, etc....

14 I liked it when it was the storyline for HALO..

15 Ferngully!!! HAHAHA. Yeah - not too impressive looking. So, we suck in space, too! We upset the balance of some such distant utopia. Christ! Like something suitable for Saturday 10:30am on ABC.

16
Blackhawk Down meets Star Wars Episode 1 meets Legend

17 Just fucking once, I'd like for the white people to be the good guys.

18 Yeah, the CGI looks cool but this plotline has been beaten to death a  million times over.

19
After The Watchers, I've seen enough naked blue aliens.

20

19 After The Watchers, I've seen enough naked blue aliens.

Dude, you can never see enough naked blue aliens.  Could someone ask Ace to revoke his hobo lisence please? =)

21

Looked like the Relayer album cover....

22 I can't stand CGI. It's the ruin of science fiction as far as I'm concerned.

One of the best science fiction movies made in the past decade was "Primer," which was filmed on $3000 and had 1 very basic special effect.

Science fiction is about expressing universal truths of the human condition through a futuristic medium...not eye candy and weirdness.

23 The alien chick looks just like Uma Thurman in real life.

24

One of the best science fiction movies made in the past decade was "Primer,"

 

Sucked ass.

25
Truman Capote, the only good naked blue alien/superhero/villain/creature is the chick from X-Men...and those movies suck.

26 "Sucked ass."

Well I feel sorry for you then. I suppose the "Phantom Menace" is more your style eh?

27

The fact that Cameron basically wrote the whole thing makes all this technical innovation a waste. It's gonna be moronic, in the bad way.

Just think if this much effort had been put in to some real SF-- Ringworld, Ender's Game, The Mote In God's Eye... sigh.

28
One of the best science fiction movies made in the past decade was "Primer,"

It sucked. It had so many holes in it, it reminded me of Andrea Mitchell's face. It can be blamed on terrible editing, I suppose, but in the end it looked like a small-budget student film.

29

Well I feel sorry for you then. I suppose the "Phantom Menace" is more your style eh?

A very confusing plot, only to be explained at the very end by one character's true motivations.  Extremely boring too.

30

It would kick ass to be a door-gunner on one of those hovercopters, slaughtering those freaky blue cocksuckers by the bushel.

"How can you kill innocent Na'vi?"

"Easy!  You just don't lead 'em as much!"

31 That looks absolutely horrible. Cringeworthy. Post-1980 Lucas-esque.

32 "t had so many holes in it, it reminded me of Andrea Mitchell's face."

Nice metaphor, but 2001 didn't have holes in it? Oh and when you're dealing with 5 different timelines, holes are inevitable. They're called "stuff that the movie doesn't explain." All good movies have them. The ones that feel the need to make everything obvious to the audience in the end suck.

I thought the look suited the gritty nature of the film. It was science fiction done in a garage, not some super high tech spotless lab with giant monitors everywhere.

But I guess that just proves my point. CGI has ruined science fiction as literature. Now it's more about the visuals than the plot and theme. (e.g. 300)

33

#27  - Ender's Game can never, ever, ever be a movie.  I do not trust Hollywood to do it right.  Also, you just can't make a movie where one naked pre-adolescent kicks another naked pre-adolescent in the balls so hard he bleeds from his head and dies.  You just can't.  I don't think you can have child actors act out such traumatic scenes as there are in Ender's Game.  Or, you have to make the characters older, which also a ride on the failboat.  Or, you make it all CGI, and get older voice actors. 

Speaker for the Dead they could totally do; plenty of white-guilt there, and less children traumatizing each other. 

On topic, I think except for the plot, Avatar looks like fun.  Not good, but fun.  However, I don't like being scolded when I see a movie, or listen to a CD, or otherwise try to enjoy myself. 

34 But...but...if we are harvesting aliens for their bodies, well... that violates the "Prime Directive".  And that would be wrong!

35
only to be explained at the very end by one character's true motivations.

Yeah, the 'meat', or the best part, of the story was frikkin narrated in the last few minutes by one of the actors while we, the stupid audience, watched a re-cap of scenes and followed along.

I was like, wait, is that what was happening this whole time, 'cuz that looked like an entirely different movie from what I've been watching for the last 70 minutes.

36

I thought the look suited the gritty nature of the film. It was science fiction done in a garage, not some super high tech spotless lab with giant monitors everywhere.

I can forgive a low-budget SF film...IF it has a good enough story behind it.  The average person is lost soon after all the time-machine in a time-machine crap starts happening.  That's the most confusing part.  I get where the one guy deceives his buddy by doing all the crafty moves, but the film needs to explain (in much clearer fashion) how that stuff all worked out.

A nice try, but failed in execution.

37 Looks like a saturday morning cartoon.  I'm not getting the hype.

38 Is this pure CGI or does it include some sort of video capture like Golum in LOTR?

If it's pure CGI, Lucas must be jealous and thrilled. He must have wanted to be first but at least someone finally got rid of those pesky actor things.

39
Jason, after they edited the movie, Shane said "oh shit this is boring and pointless. Here, let's make up a story, add in a couple of scenes and I'll do a voiceover to explain what's going on."

40

Ender's Game can never, ever, ever be a movie.  I do not trust Hollywood to do it right.

It can be done right, if certain people are involved.  Orson Scott Card, however, would need to be convinced first and I don't think he would like his book raped in the classic Hollywood fashion.

 

41

Re my 38....Is this pure CGI or does it include some sort of video  motion capture like Golum in LOTR?

42 I read the script treatment a while ago.  It was a fantastic read.  I'm actually rather optimistic about this based on that.

43
btw, 300 was a awesome kick-ass flick

44 I see it also adheres to the "every alien from a totally foreign world is an upright primate" thing.  Annoying.

45

Bat Chain Puller has excellent taste.

I thought The Man From Earth was excellent science fiction done extremely cheaply.  It revolved entirely around a conversation between people in a living room.  You can watch it instantly on Netflix if you have it.

46 Anyone who doesn't like 300 is either a commie or Persian. 

47 Let me guess, this will be a not so subtle allegory for American "imperialist" philosophy or the "military industrial complex" with additional not so subtle reference's Iraq.

Christ, I bet they will even work in a few environmental plugs as well

I will skip this crap.

 

48 Josef K. -

I thought the same thing.

----

My inner nerd prefers the other Avatar.  I just hope M. Night doesn't screw it up.  It was a great cartoon, filled with lots of eastern philosophy, especially from Mako (the wizard in Conan).

49 Oh my God it looks like a Roger Dean album cover.

50 HALO meets Ferngully is giving it too much credit.  It looks more like 'Dances With Wolves' meets Ferngully.

51 Cameron should've just made the Aquaman movie with Vinnie Chase. It couldn't possibly have been worse than this shit.

52 Science fiction is about expressing universal truths of the human condition through a futuristic medium...not eye candy and weirdness.

That's what written SF is for. The A/V stuff is purely eye candy.

That's primarily because movie makers aren't capable of expressing anything deeper than "I wanna bone you" without spending time on the characters and on exposition. But exposition and characters don't put butts in the seats in Africa, Asia, and Europe -- eye candy, naked chicks, gun fights, and Blame Whitey do.

To tie into something Insty reference just the other day -- look at the "Starship Troopers" movie. The book was about our duty towards one and another and society, about why men fight and sacrifice, and an attempt to square personal liberty with the requirements of the survival of the human race -- the bugs and shit were thrown in to make it a fun read. The movie turned a free society with limited franchise into a Nazi fetish camp, turned Tagalog-speaking Filipino Juan Rico into Doogie-Freaking-Howser, turned the MI suits into "armor" lighter than American football players wear, turned the bugs from an alien yet obvious intelligence into extras from "A Bug's Life", and tossed in some gratuitous nudity.

There may be an occasional art-house flick that rises above the tits-lasers-and-bugs formula, but...

53 usual leftist propaganda.

the evil -white- humans invade and destroy a nice and sorta backward planet (backward like noble savage backward, like not-causing-global-warming savages) instigating the otherwise peaceful hunters/gatherers community to rise against the common enemy. among them the usual human -white- peacenik that really sees things for what they are.
unfortunately they will all perish, not before showing the invader that they will not sell out.

i wonder i much i got it wrong. will see in december, i guess.

54 CGI hasn't just ruined the storylines of movies.... it's not just for nostalgia that I have a NES emulator instead of one of the new consoles.

55 I just hope M. Night doesn't screw it up.

Wow. That's a hope against expectations. That's like expecting strong characters and witty dialog from Lucas.

56 From Wiki;

Jake has unwittingly been recruited to become part of this encroachment. Since humans are unable to breathe the air on Pandora, they have created genetically-bred human-Na’vi hybrids known as Avatars. The Avatars are living, breathing bodies in the real world, controlled by a human driver through a technology that links the driver’s mind to the Avatar body. On Pandora, through his Avatar body, Jake can be whole once again. Moreover, he falls in love with a young Na’vi woman, Neytiri, whose beauty is matched by her ferocity in battle.

As Jake slides deeper into becoming one of her clan, he finds himself caught between the military-industrial forces of Earth, and the Na’vi – forcing him to choose sides in an epic battle that will decide the fate of an entire world.

Sounds like more leftist crap. BTW, ever notice how much SF has changed from the noble humans fighting hi tech aliens to evil, hi tech humans fighting peace loving aliens?

Says something about the changes in the media in the last 20 years I think. If Cameron did Aliens now, would they be peaceloving gene "borrowing" hippies communing wiht nature too?

57

Wow. That's a hope against expectations. That's like expecting strong characters and witty dialog from Lucas.

THATISAFUCKINGLIEYOUTAKEITBACK!!!!111!1!!1

Jar-Jar's speech to the Senate in Revenge of the Sith was brilliant!

Fuck you fucking haters!

 

58 Whatever the plot, I'm sure all the violence is Bush's fault.

59

Just think if this much effort had been put in to some real SF-- Ringworld, Ender's Game, The Mote In God's Eye... sigh.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at August 20, 2009 12:28 PM (SCcgT)

I'm surprised the media hasn't decided to work on a Bio of a Space Tyrant movie. With BO's popularity nosediving and the Dems set to lose seats in congress, why not some peons to the joys of an enlightened dictator?

Actually though I would love to see CS Lewis's Out of Space trilogy. Far too un-PC however for Hollywood to work on.

60

This is about hating a blue man.

It's racism, straight up.

 

61 If I see another wormhole/light-tunnel/energy-tube thingy in a scifi movie/show, I'm gonna go ballistic.

62 Typical Lib propaganda. Uber-cool American style military actually evil bad guys pillaging Luddite natives and destroying the environment.
Movies like this make you root for the Empire.

But as Eye Candy, impressive. Especially if its in 3D

63 Ender's Game...meh.

Don't be to pre-judgemental.  District 9 looked like it would be full of leftist claptrap, but it was an alright flick.  Not perfect, but not as bad as I thought it would be.

64 Technology bad, primitive lifestyle good as told by technology driven same old same old liberal plot line.

65 HALO in Ferngully

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaa!

66 56 From Wiki;

Ugh, if that is the plot, then forget it.  There is only so much leftist crap I can take before I freak out.  From that description, I wouldn't last 5 minutes into the movie.  Fuck Hollywood.

67

Actually though I would love to see CS Lewis's Out of Space trilogy. Far too un-PC however for Hollywood to work on.

Out of the Silent Planet would be teh awesome. You never know... Narnia got made.

On second thought... nah, you're right. Never happen.

68 Wait a minute, you didn't like the starship troopers movie?  Can you show me which checklist item wasn't in the movie?

[X] Spaceships
[X] Marines
[X] Giant Insects
[X] Breasts
[X] Guns
[X] Power Suits
[X] Psychic Phenomenae

Near as I can estimate, this is the only 100% complete movie in the history of Hollywood.  Even the Empire Strikes Back doesn't score that high, or the laughably low scoring Citizen Kane.

69

Alice, how did you get in here?

 

70 There were no power suits in Starship Troopers, hence the suck.

71 There were no power suits in Starship Troopers, hence the suck.

Not to mention the "mobile infantry" engaged at spitball ranges against enemies that are far less dangerous if kept at range.  Let's not forget the plamsa crapping bugs shooting down starships orbiting so close together that if one dodged the plasma it would HAVE to hit another ship.

Starship Troopers the movie was an abomination made of crap.

72 Also, whatever Cameron thinks, the aliens in Aliens looked a lot more "real" than the aliens in this thing - and more alien. There's something still too ethereal and "liquidy" about a lot of these computer generated characters. They still give an impression being insubstantial. 

The aliens in District 9, though, seemed particularly well-done.

73

Posted by: Rob Crawford

 

I agree 100%; I have got to the point where I cringe when they take a book by someone like Heinlein and turn it into a movies.

 

The worst recent case comes from the “Sword of Truth” series that was made into a TV series. The only thing used from the book was the characters names. The plot became just another remake of big tittied barbarian fights evil men who outweigh them by 150 pounds and win.

74

Plus, the gritty, tough basic training in the book was replaced with a bunch of queerbaits prancing through a discarded set from American Gladiator. 

-100 for casting Gary Busey's kid, as well.  To paraphrase Slapshot, "He's fucking horrible looking!"

75 I couldn't get that to play correctly in either Safari or Firefox. The audio was choppy and there were just a few stills every now and then.

76 A few people mentioning Roger Dean and Relayer. Heh. That shot was the only one that impressed me. The rest looked gay.

77

I really liked "Primer." Sure it was complicated, but sometimes it's nice to have a movie linger afterwards and spark interesting conversations. All movies have plot holes...most especially ones that deal with time travel. I loved the low-tech feel of it and wish more science fiction would be done this way.

BTW, there were plans to make "Ender's Game" into a movie...and that idea died just this past January. Most of the reasons seem to be that O.S. Card was involved in the development and did not like the direction it was headed. In fact, he mentioned something about it nothing turning into some CGI film.

As for "Avatar," I thought the big deal about this was not the special effects, but how the 3-D was so different and organic...which is impossible to see in an online trailer. I've seen plenty of 'liberal' minded science fiction and enjoyed it...I'll definitely be checking this one out.

78 Even Janeane agrees Starship Troopers sucked.

79 Ah, got it that time. Very cool. Then again, it didn't look "revolutionary" or anything, just like a very good CGI Sci-Fi flick.

80 Looks like a bunch of eco-tard studio people are trying to exploit the Halo and Warcraft crowds.

Evil Corporations exploiting a world? Check.

Lots of HALO style bang toys? Check.

Warcraft style character avatars? Check.

Really bad bad bad bad film? Check.

81

The only redeeming thing this movie could have in it, is a wise-cracking Marine who talks a lot of shit and makes fun of his platoon at every turn.

"Any questions?"

"Yeah, how do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?"

 

82 Rob Crawford -

hey, Lucas had the original star wars and indy... back before CGI allowed him to ruin them.  If the studios want Lucas to make a good film, they should cut his budget by 75%.

M. Night likes message movies, and does good F/X, and 'the other avatar' needs both to be done right.

83 Does the ship sink?

84 This movie looses 3 stars simply because Brian Dennehy is not in it.

85

CGI generally sucks in anything more than limited uses.

In usually looks fakey. Maybe not fake, but fakey. Takes you out of the moment, for sure. At least for me.

 

86 I'm just wondering why Cameron didn't make the main character a black man whose Nau'vi name is Amabo K'Carab.

87 68

Midgets

88 This movie looses 3 stars simply because Brian Dennehy is not in it.

Wah?!? Brian Dennehy is masterful as the planet.

89 I watched the trailer about 2/3 through and quit.  Lovely CGI but other than that I found it boring.

90

Ruh roh, looks like "Battle for Terra" with a bigger budget:

http://tiny.cc/retiI

 

91

The alien chick looks just like Uma Thurman in real life.

WINNER!

The last movie I saw in a theater was MI:2 just to give you an idea of how long ago I gave up on Hollywood. I was actually kind of jazzed about Avatar but now it looks like typical lefty bullshit.

Only when Hollywood does a faithful remake of The Bad News Bears will I return to a movie theater.

92 How LAME! It looks like--Jar Jar Binks -- The Movie. 2 1/2 hours of "nature good....humanity bad" -- are you serious? It looks like a Sci Fi ...im sorry SyFy movie of the week. Not impressed or interested.....

93

@56

That's the plot from Dances with Wolves

So now we get Dances with Blue Space Lizards

Way to be original.

Oh and Cameron, hot space girls are GREEN.

 

94 The only reason that guy is in a wheelchair is because Bush banned embryonic stem cells two-hundred years ago.

95

You know a movie is going to suck hard when it can't cobble 2 minutes' worth of engaging material together.  Bad movies can have bad trailers, but good movies don't have bad trailers.  I mean come on, are you going to tell me Cameron was given this amazing budget just to scrimp on decent advertising?  I'm really disappointed, too, I thought it was going to be the first REAL 3-D movie, something that was more than just a gimmick.

"The Last Airbender" teaser trailer is over on You Tube and it looks considerably better.  I'll probably go to both, but there's only one Avatar I'm now looking forward to.

96

Sounds like Dances With Wolves Aliens. I'll pass.

97 I have really enjoyed all of Cameron's movies up to this point- except for Piranha 2 that is, but I have to say for a reported budget of $250 million (and some insiders claiming closer to $500 million), I have to say this left me underwhelmed.  Looks like it's barely a step up from the cinematic to the upcoming Star Wars game: the Old Republic.

98 Hey, were those aliens wearing lace wigs?

99 The aliens in District 9, though, seemed particularly well-done.

I think a lot of that seems to be District 9 played to the 3d's format's strengths.  The way 3d rendering works, it does hard things (chitenous exoskeleton, for example) pretty well, but isn't that great for rendering soft things with several semi-transparent layers on it (like squishy humans with skin over fat over muscle).  It's part of the reason why human characters look 'liquidy' all the time.

It's just become one of those tools that's way overused.  It's fine for limited stuff, like the powersuit and aliens in District 9, but it gets annoying because the brain picks up, even subconsciously, when the entire environment is 3d rendered.  Kinda a 5% 'off' in the environment shown 10% of the time the brain glosses over, but a 5% 'off' through an entire 2 hours gets noticed...at least for me

100 I must be way out of the loop. The plotline sounds unrelated to anything in the actual Avatar cartoons, which I'm forced to admit were quite good overall.

Decent plots with good twists, good cartoonery (and the occasional CGI), and quite well written with a lot of snarky humor.

101 I wonder if it's possible for Hollywood to lose enough money to realize that people are sick of being told they suck ass.

It seems like they can only make good movies by accident these days.

102 I don't plan on seeing this, but if I find myself in the theater for some reason, I'm just gonna yell out "This movie blows goat!" about ten minutes in.

103 A tad late to the party - but the paraplegic-mind-melding-with-alien-body thing is straight out of Poul Anderson's "Call Me Joe" (short story) from 1957.   The core story is the same thing:  Useless body, takes control of alien body, overcomes hardships, becomes more attached to useful body than useless body, begins to resist Earthly control, gains freedom and seeks own destiny as alien being.  Of course, this has been bastardized and completely turned into another Earth-people-who-speak-American-English-are-evil Hollywood project. 

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