Obama Not Done With The Public Option Yet?

So says Marc Ambinder’s source at the White House who claims HHS Secretary Sebelius “misspoke” yesterday when she said a public option wasn’t a necessary part of a deal.

Truth or misstatement, combine it with Sen. Kent Conrad’s statement that a public option was dead in the Senate and Sunday was a bad day for Obama.

Some are speculating Sebelius might have been launching a trial balloon. If that’s the case, consider it shot down.

A healthcare reform deal abandoning a public (or "government-run") option for consumers could cost as many as 100 Democratic votes in the House, one House Democratic lawmaker warned Monday.
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) asserted that rumored compromises on a Senate bill to win centrist votes would torpedo healthcare reform's prospects with liberal members of the House.
"If the president thinks he's cutting a deal to get Senate votes, he's probably losing House votes," Weiner warned during an interview on CNBC this morning.

Obama’s problem (well, one of many) is that he seems to really believe a lot of his own PR bullshit. Remember when Obama was going to be the great healer, the man to span the bitter divisions of the nation? How’s that working out? It turns out there are things people believe in strongly and aren’t willing to give up (they cling to them, one might say) simply because that’s what Obama thinks is good for them.

Right now, he’s neck deep in an issue where the vast majority aren’t willing to sign over their future to him and he can’t figure out how to force them to, even with huge majorities in both houses of Congress.

Being President is hard.

BTW- Was Sebelius reported to Flag@whitehouse.gov for spreading false information?

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:45 AM

Comments

1 1st!

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 17, 2009 10:47 AM (zmiSr)

2 Present!

Posted by: Maobama at August 17, 2009 10:48 AM (wSUux)

SASKATOON — The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Aren't we lucky to have all these shining beacons to show us the way? Damned lucky, I say.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at August 17, 2009 10:48 AM (SCcgT)

4 I think they're still going to try & pass some of what's in the bill, even if they do so in amendments. In other words, some of this is going to pass, but not the way they wanted.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at August 17, 2009 10:48 AM (zmiSr)

5 And the White House will command the House and Sentate to just pass the God Damn thing, don't read it, don't debate it, and for God's sake, don't let the public know anything about it. Oh, what about the media?......crickets....

Posted by: Sparky at August 17, 2009 10:49 AM (J1f2W)

6 Still.. be on guard for anything in the form of 'Health Care Reform' or insurance or whatever the meme of the day is..

Is it just the public option that's dead from the bill or is the entire HR 3200 dead?

Posted by: Dave C at August 17, 2009 10:49 AM (La0Tt)

7 Who goes under the bus for this mess?

Rahm
Seblius
Baucus

Posted by: Jean at August 17, 2009 10:50 AM (L64A6)

8 Of course he can force this bill on us, and probably will. However, Obama wants it to look like he's the Great Savior of the Uninsured, and wants the rest of us to take to the streets in celebration over his glorious policy victories.

And if not, well, there are those FEMA re-education camps...

Posted by: shibumi at August 17, 2009 10:51 AM (OKZrE)

9 I like to think that my tag is short for "Washington (D.C.) Suxxx"

On an unrelated note, is there any worse city that could be named for a greater man than Washington? He kinda got the shaft, between D.C. and WA.

Posted by: In Exile at August 17, 2009 10:51 AM (wSUux)

10 It's a quaqmire.

Posted by: ICBM at August 17, 2009 10:51 AM (dMGbm)

11 Jean: Who goes under the bus for this mess?

Rahm
Seblius
Baucus

Obama without Rahm is a tranny without a penis pump. It ain't gonna be Rahm.

Posted by: Jazz at August 17, 2009 10:51 AM (hnq5i)

12 7 Who goes under the bus for this mess?

Democracy??? Our Republic???

Posted by: In Exile at August 17, 2009 10:52 AM (wSUux)

Maybe having your press secretary and the heads of your political party start referring to American citizens that disagree with you a "mob", saying they are paid off by evil corporations, and comparing them with Nazis is not a good way to persuade them to agree with you? Especially when you are referring to over 50% of the American people. IMHO

Posted by: Mr. Pink at August 17, 2009 10:53 AM (NM1Nu)

14 Can I float a trial balloon about caning anyone who posts "First" or a variant thereof?

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 17, 2009 10:53 AM (EaSyP)

Being President is hard.

And much harder when your trying to shit can 200+ years of successful society and convert the country to socialiam. 48% are just not down with that program, and some of the 52% may have figured out that they have been stupid.

Posted by: maddogg at August 17, 2009 10:53 AM (OlN4e)

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Posted by: Waterhouse at August 17, 2009 10:53 AM (EaSyP)

17 OMG! Cheney got to him!

Posted by: Libtard at August 17, 2009 10:54 AM (weVyN)

18 There will be a 'Place Holder' for the bill to pass with the public option to be put in later.

Something is up.. backroom deal.. Socialized Health Care is too big for Obama to give up on it.. The bill needs to die. Not become law in pieces..

Posted by: Dave C at August 17, 2009 10:54 AM (La0Tt)

Jean: Who goes under the bus for this mess?

Rahm
Seblius
Baucus

Baucus has options - so it has to be Seblius. Or perhaphs he throws Botox Nan under the bus and blames the house democrats for not getting in line. August is turning into a very long month indeed for "The One".

Posted by: Mallamutt at August 17, 2009 10:55 AM (V9SYy)

20 OT

Drudge says the flag@whitehouse.gov is being pulled.

Developing...

Posted by: EC at August 17, 2009 10:55 AM (mAhn3)

21 heh.. my hash tag.. LaoTt A Lot of Titties..

So it doesn't fit exactly..

Posted by: Dave C at August 17, 2009 10:57 AM (La0Tt)

22 Obama is totally done with the public option.

Posted by: And you can keep your coverage at August 17, 2009 10:57 AM (5I0Yr)

23 Where are the Republicans?

Don't they have some free market alternatives they can mention?

Or are they lying low and letting the Democrats impale themselves on their own swords?

Posted by: eman at August 17, 2009 10:57 AM (5jD+A)

24 No one goes under any bus. They are just regrouping and approaching the landing from another angle. Look at the firestorm from the dems/libs, do you actually think they will give up any of their "we need a public option" chant. Then look at the republicans/conservatives and Grassley. He was just on msnbc with ratigan. He is pushing co ops but then talking about "the exchange" so this is not simple and furthermore has this been explained to anyone? He beautifully dodged all the good questions and all you could hear while he was talking was the ever honest Chuckie Shumer saying that in the end they will pass the bill with or without the republicans. If they are talking about an exchange and they are saying that unions are against them becasue they have great hard won healthcare and they need it as a bargaining chip to entice people to join the union (oh wait aren't they getting a non sekret ballot sneaked into sone bill in the dead of night?). What is wrong with helping people join or form groups? What is wrong with the government paying for the few who will be uninsured after all the group joining? Well they mention the insurance oligarchies so guess that is still on the old table. So it is all still there but they don't want you to see it in the age of transparency.

Posted by: muffy at August 17, 2009 10:57 AM (p302b)

The message this week needs to be clear - the Democrats can not get their house in order. They have the house, the senate and the presidency. There can be no blaming the Republican opposition on this one - its a Democractic food fight. Plus, it works it self well into the Democrats can not govern meme that will help in 2010.

Posted by: Mallamutt at August 17, 2009 10:58 AM (V9SYy)

26 I think Obama believes all of his own PR bullshit.

I think the health care bill will include a public option. It will be the precursor to government takeover of the health care industry, and it will move government bureaucrats between people and their doctors.

We are dealing with people who are acting 'for our own good' and believe we are too stupid to know what is best for us. They will do what they want and let ACORN and amnesty take care of the rest.

Posted by: kefka at August 17, 2009 11:00 AM (udoJ3)

27 "Can I float a trial balloon about caning anyone who posts "First" or a variant thereof?"

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 17, 2009 10:53 AM

Here here! Just a caning though? I'd rather they go through this:

Westley: No. To the pain.

Anyone who posts "First": I don't think I'm quite familiar with that phrase.

Westley: I'll explain and I'll use small words so that you'll be sure to understand, you warthog faced buffoon.

Anyone who posts "First": That may be the first time in my life a man has dared insult me.

Westley: It won't be the last. To the pain means the first thing you will lose will be your feet below the ankles. Then your hands at the wrists. Next your nose.

Anyone who posts "First": And then my tongue I suppose, I killed you too quickly the last time. A mistake I don't mean to duplicate tonight.

Westley: I wasn't finished. The next thing you will lose will be your left eye followed by your right.

Anyone who posts "First": And then my ears, I understand let's get on with it.

Westley: WRONG. Your ears you keep and I'll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish. Every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out, "Dear God! What is that thing," will echo in your perfect ears. That is what to the pain means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery forever.

Posted by: Michael in MI at August 17, 2009 11:00 AM (ObTcs)

20 -- yeah, they learned their lesson -- don't make the snitch system public knowledge

What would the general term for walking back from a walk back be?

I'd say "I'll take lying through both sides of your mouth for a thousand", but it deserves a catchy slang term imho -- especially now, when we're going to see a lot of it, again, imho.

Posted by: unknown jane at August 17, 2009 11:01 AM (EpmMs)

29 Here it is.. what the GOP has been doing in the fight on health care.

Posted by: Dave C at August 17, 2009 11:01 AM (La0Tt)

30 When I pray to God that this Kenyan Marxist fails, I keep this image in my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMHmBTNiC-A

If the world is a breakdancer, Obama is a toddler.

I hope his first term ends this badly, harmless good fun but still embarrassing for the Democrats.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at August 17, 2009 11:02 AM (rrxDo)

31 See, I think the "democratic food fight" as you call it is totally by design. The "blaming it on the republicans" theme failed so on to a new theme. Let's try it all and throw all the crap against a wall and see what sticks? It is clear that they understand insurance even less than they understood what a CDO was and how they could be collateralized and sold. What will the nect thing to come out be that they will somehow collateralize the premiums? The bad part of this entire mess is that no one trusts anyone anymore. Some, if the people don't trust the whole lot of them, how are they going to accomplish anything without a firestorm of opposition?

Posted by: muffy at August 17, 2009 11:03 AM (p302b)

32 There will be a 'Place Holder' for the bill to pass with the public option to be put in later.

Something is up.. backroom deal.. Socialized Health Care is too big for Obama to give up on it.. The bill needs to die. Not become law in pieces..

Posted by: Dave C at August 17, 2009 10:54 AM

BINGO.

I don't know if anyone has seen that great YouTube of Reagan talking about socialized medicine, but he talks about just this idea... that socialists just want to get their foot in the door and then once they have the bill, they can expand it as far and wide as they wish.

That is the plan for Obama and Co. now. So we cannot get complacent.

Posted by: Michael in MI at August 17, 2009 11:04 AM (ObTcs)

33 I don't know if anyone has seen that great YouTube of Reagan talking about socialized medicine, but he talks about just this idea... that socialists just want to get their foot in the door and then once they have the bill, they can expand it as far and wide as they wish.

I just listened to that the other day..

He gave that speech for our time.. (Well, and his)

Posted by: Dave C at August 17, 2009 11:05 AM (La0Tt)

34 "...Remember when Obama was going to be the great healer, the man to span the bitter divisions of the nation?..."

I remember when Obama was going to demand that I shed my cynicism.

But he's not the boss of me.

Posted by: azlibertarian at August 17, 2009 11:05 AM (nh7OA)

4 I think they're still going to try & pass some of what's in the bill, even if they do so in amendments. In other words, some of this is going to pass, but not the way they wanted.

Exactly, Miss80s. They will pass a bill with a title, a date, and 1,000 blank pages. And fill in the rest later.

Do not get cocky, America. Keep smacking them down.

14 Can I float a trial balloon about caning anyone who posts "First" or a variant thereof?

No. It's a thing. An annoying thing, but a thing. When people ask you why we call ourselves morons, then youc an point to the "first" thing if you want to.

11 Jean: Who goes under the bus for this mess?

Rahm
Seblius
Baucus

Obama without Rahm is a tranny without a penis pump. It ain't gonna be Rahm.

finally... THREAD WINNER

Posted by: Truman North at August 17, 2009 11:06 AM (e8YaH)

Thanks to the new GM, we already have a 'public option' for automobiles.

Thanks to Citibank, we already have a 'public option' for banking.

And thanks to AIG, we already have a 'public option' for insurnace.

What's the big deal?

Posted by: Deafdog at August 17, 2009 11:08 AM (fOPv7)

37 "Where are the Republicans?

Don't they have some free market alternatives they can mention?

Or are they lying low and letting the Democrats impale themselves on their own swords?"

Posted by: eman at August 17, 2009 10:57 AM

I didn't realize until I was doing some research yesterday that the Republicans have some alternative plans out there that sound pretty good (despite what Obama keeps claiming that any opponents of Obamacare have no plan and just want the status quo). There is the Patients' Choice Act by Rep Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Sen Tom Coburn (R-OK). There is also this:

In the 1990s, Republicans tried to change Medicare into a defined-contribution model, more along the lines of the plan that federal employees enjoy. The Republican-controlled Congress passed such legislation in 1995, but President Clinton vetoed it. Seeing that Medicare costs were out of control, Clinton set up a bipartisan Medicare Commission headed by John Breaux (D-La.). The Breaux Commission came up with a similar plan in 1999. Democrats killed that too.

When Republicans controlled Congress and the White House, from 2003-06, they provided Health Savings Accounts and prescription coverage under Medicare for the first time. With the Democrats regularly using Senate filibusters, those were significant achievements.

Republican introduced precursors to the Patients’ Choice Act in the House in July 2007, May 2008 and September 2008. All died in the Democrat-controlled House. There is also the Health Care Freedom, introduced in the Senate this June by Sen. Jim DeMint.

Posted by: Michael in MI at August 17, 2009 11:10 AM (ObTcs)

But there will be no "rationing"!!!

The Fraser Health Authority confirmed Thursday it intends to cut surgeries, seniors' programs and services for the mentally ill to help deal with a budget shortfall of up to $160 million.

However, it said the emergency department at Mission Memorial Hospital will stay open.

Confirmation of the cuts, expected for some time, came as the authority's board of directors met in Mission Thursday. The board said 10 to 15 per cent of elective surgeries will be cut in the latter part of the 2009-10 fiscal year, with slowdowns already scheduled for the Olympic period.

------

Isn't "free" health care grand?

Posted by: Jay at August 17, 2009 11:10 AM (/ZX77)

39 o is going to start cracking up, his ego is too fragile,
he has never had to endure rejection.
his puppet masters and handlers have moved him along so smoothly until now.
he must be thrashing around in his sleep,
wondering wtf is going on.
angry that people aren't willing and happy to endure death panels so he will look good and be able to squeal again . . .
"i won."

Posted by: nyc redneck at August 17, 2009 11:10 AM (p6tIu)

40 Deaf dog, I think you will find we are on the whole against those too. But none of them have to do with our very lives nor lifestyles.

Posted by: Truman North at August 17, 2009 11:10 AM (e8YaH)

41 Truman.. you are wasting your time on Deafdog.. mostly because he's, well, deaf.

Posted by: Dave C at August 17, 2009 11:13 AM (La0Tt)

42 Dave C, I try and I try to keep my lip buttoned here. I really do. I talk too much, I know... but I have to keep my lip buttoned IRL all the time, so it just comes out, like so much patchouli odor at a Dead concert. Even when my coments are falling on deaf ears.

Posted by: Truman North at August 17, 2009 11:18 AM (e8YaH)

43 "No. It's a thing. An annoying thing, but a thing. When people ask you why we call ourselves morons, then youc an point to the "first" thing if you want to."

Posted by: Truman North at August 17, 2009 11:06 AM

I dunno about that. I have been reading Ace of Spades HQ for at least 2 years now and this annoying "first" crap just started up within the last few weeks or so.

Posted by: Michael in MI at August 17, 2009 11:18 AM (ObTcs)

nyc redneck

I hope to witness a full blown prime time meltdown by the Zero. On national TV no less, preferably CNN.

Posted by: maddogg at August 17, 2009 11:19 AM (OlN4e)

45 this annoying "first" crap just started up within the last few weeks or so.

I did it once a few weeks back.. seeing it more and more since then.

Posted by: Dave C at August 17, 2009 11:20 AM (La0Tt)

46 "I did it once a few weeks back.. seeing it more and more since then."

Posted by: Dave C at August 17, 2009 11:20 AM

AHAH! So YOU'RE the SOB we need to flog! heh

Posted by: Michael in MI at August 17, 2009 11:22 AM (ObTcs)

47 Obama's socialism bus isn't retreating; it's backing up to RAM from a slightly different angle. DO NOT LET UP.

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at August 17, 2009 11:23 AM (7bZjM)

48 The Audacity of Tyranny

Posted by: War Machine at August 17, 2009 11:33 AM (iMg5k)

49 "44

nyc redneck

I hope to witness a full blown prime time meltdown by the Zero. On national TV no less, preferably CNN.

Posted by: maddogg at August 17, 2009 11:19 AM (OlN4e)"

then they will give him an Emmy.

Posted by: muffy at August 17, 2009 11:42 AM (p302b)

50 War Machine, per Jazz@11, you could also make it "The Audacity of Tranny."

Posted by: jakeman at August 17, 2009 11:52 AM (DyROQ)

51 Bottom line: Barack Obama personally lobbied for this thing and support crumbled.

The only reason it has any support now is that Obama basically told his followers that failing to support it amounted to blasphemy.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 17, 2009 11:52 AM (T0NGe)

52 #44
hey maddogg,
it will be a full blown hissy fit.
i'm laughing now in eager anticipation.

Posted by: nyc redneck at August 17, 2009 11:59 AM (p6tIu)

53 50 War Machine, per Jazz@11, you could also make it "The Audacity of Tranny." Posted by: jakeman at August 17, 2009 11:52 AM (DyROQ)

And I thought you were making a Michelle O reference.

Posted by: War Machine at August 17, 2009 12:10 PM (iMg5k)

54 Rahm Emanuel, "The Audacity to Sashay."

Posted by: War Machine at August 17, 2009 12:11 PM (iMg5k)

55 7 Who goes under the bus for this mess?

Rahm
Seblius
Baucus

Baucus, I think. Rahm is Obama's...well, #11 has it right. Obama is the carrot and Rahm is the stick. Rahm won't go overboard until the Dems are tired of him.

Sebilius is safe for now because Obama can't have too many cabinet defections early. He's already had a mess with his tax cheat appointments, he doesn't need any new blows to his management reputation.

Baucus is a Dem Senator in a blue state and so is in perpetual trouble and not a reliable vote because of his vulnerability.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 17, 2009 12:15 PM (T0NGe)

56 Hold me closer, Tiny Dancer!

Posted by: Rahm "Ballerina" Emanuel at August 17, 2009 12:38 PM (rrxDo)

57 Make that "Dem Senator in a red state".

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