1 Then stop picking fights!

2

If a liberal lefty forwards that crap to me, i'll send back a trojan.

3 great, lace wig spam from Dear Reader.

4

In another board, it was mentioned tha tNancy Pelosi is a Catholic.  MAybe it is time to point out to her that she is breaking 3 of the ten commandments?

1.  Bearing False Witness

2.  Stealing

3. Attempted Murder (It only becomes murder when the bill passes) (either abortion, or rationing of care that kills people, take your pick).

 

So, there is a special place in hell reserved for Nancy McBotox.

5

Weak. Sith Lord Darth Rove woulda never just sent out an email chain-letter thinger.

He woulda shot someone in the face or something and let folks come to their own conclusions.

6   I fully endorse forwarding this email from axelfraud (and all other contents of your various webmail accounts) to flag_at_whitehouse.gov.

Trust me, I went to bartender's school.

7 I have to wonder if all the aides and WH "little people" are also having second thoughts. 

8 I just got something just like that from a Libtard friend. Has bullet pts that describes Obambie's plan, sad thing is he doens't have a plan.

9 Somebody should tell Obama that the Presidency is not a popularity contest.

10 Lies, Lies. Lies. If one does not work, Don't look back. Try another, the spin never stops. 

11 Defective salesman? The Joker's magic smoke has left the room.

12

The people with the biggest bully pulpit in the world (not to mention almost unlimited free airtime) are feeling put upon. 

Who comes up with this shit?

13

This all doesn't mean squat unless Obama and the rest of the Dems pledge to put themselves, their families, and all government employees and their families on any plan they wish to foist on the rest of us, and unequivocally put that language in the bill itself.  Just making it an "option" for any government employee is unacceptable if the plan is really as wonderful, efficient, and will save as much money as Obama and Axeldouche is saying it will.  Don't trust the cook that won't eat the food they prepare and serve.

Respond to any of these emails with this basic bit of truth, and no lefty will be able to counter it.

14 Let there be no doubt: If people keep pushing, and actually get a national referendum on the ballot, ACORN will steal it ten ways from sunday.

The only way to win, is to scare the pants off congressmen.

15 It probably contains a virus or keylogger, the better to invade your privacy.

Anyone who sends this to me is going to be awfully surprised when I print it out,l fold it into razor corners, and jam it into whatever orifice happens to be handy.

16

I just got something just like that from a Libtard friend. Has bullet pts that describes Obambie's plan, sad thing is he doens't have a plan.

Is it full of hopey-changey unicorn dreams?

17

Thank god I don't know any assholes on the list, so I won't be getting that shit.

Kemp

18 I have no problem making this email viral.  It needs to be corrected first.

19 I can't believe Mickey Kaus!  It would be great if he teamed up with Sarah Palin (who has a nice rebuttal on her FB page) and did commercials or something.  Could you imagine what people woudl do? 

20 I am a conservative Catholic. I never stop being amazed at how Liberal Catholics keep voting for The Abortion Party. Priests and Nuns, are the worst. You call them out on it, they get huffy and tell you that you do not see the whole story. Peace at all costs,and and Justice for the poor.  I'm Serious!

21

The only way to win, is to scare the pants off congressmen.

Was watching Americans "terrorize" Specter at the town-hall meeting.  Kind of amusing. 

22 The plan Axleshaft hasn't read. Lets see, the Socialists try to ramrod a plan through the government that completely takes the US that has been the envy of the world and tosses in in the shitcan and they run into a few people who disagree. Now they are victims. No, they are the enemy.

23   Hard to believe the Bad Ol' Intarnets is being mean to poor little barry.  Isn't this supposed to be the most web-savvy, technology-driven, cutting edge (not to mention most ethical) administration EVAR?!?!?!!!   Are those eeeevil old white men at the GOP just l337 h4><0r5 that can't be stopped? 

24 David Axelrod is to Obama what Frank Oz was to Bert on Sesame Street.  I can imagine the essence of that "viral e-mail" they intend to send to their zombies.  "Some of you may have seen the horrid blasphemies spread by the right, claiming that Obama is not an actual god."

25 These pills will improve both size and performance.

26 Naan @ 18 - That is what the RNC needs to do.  Put the RED pen to that email and then re-send it to everyone. 

27 Long-Time Clinton Supporter Tina Brown On Hillary's African Bloopers: "She's Feeling Fat And Needs To Hit The Gym"....

28

I am a conservative Catholic. I never stop being amazed at how Liberal Catholics keep voting for The Abortion Party. Priests and Nuns, are the worst. You call them out on it, they get huffy and tell you that you do not see the whole story. Peace at all costs,and and Justice for the poor.  I'm Serious!

I'm a conservative Christian and I see this same thing among "my" people.  My husband is a minister and before the election he would ask people what they thought of Obama and they would answer, " I don't know, but something's got to change".  I kid you not.  Pat answer.  Nearly every time.  Amazing.

29 Oh goodie!  another spam email to "revise" and send on.  And I thought it was going to be a boring day...

we need a thread starting with:

You know you're in political trouble when.......

...you have to beg for people to forward your emails.

30 I really can't imagine what the press would say if Bush sent out mass e-mails begging people to stand up.  It really makes me sick.

31

It's pretty obvious that the unAmerican mobs who are victimizing them are racist.

Pity.  This could have been such a civilized debate too.  But at least we know that things will get better after people realize what's good for them.  After all, Obamagrad wasn't built in a day.

32

This should be interesting, I can see it now.

WH sends out healthcare email with 8 myths.

'Sphere gets ahold of it, debunks it point by point, emails it back out.

This was a bad move on Astrorod's part.  Checkmate sucka.

33 i wonder if by viral email they mean an email containng a virus for people who were reported to the "fishy" department of defense

34

what I don't understand is that the "death panels" are going to be encouraging and maybe forcing suicide.  There is no real religion on the face of this earth that does not hold life sacrosanct (?).  Suicide means you to go hell.  Do the catholic and evangelical Christians not understand that?  How can they be for forced euthanasia?  Oh, must be too nuanced for this poor humble holiness preacher.

35 What, his blatant lies and stumblefuck performance in the "town hall" didn't convince anyone?

36 What, comparing Obamacare to the Post Office didn't win anyone over?

37 Lie Lie Lie ... Deny Deny Deny ...

Obama and clan just have to be sure to never reveal their true intent.  The official Whitehouse dishonest stance (that he never was for a single payer system) is only one of many examples of the "Lie and Deny" policy.

It is now the standard for even our Supreme Court justices ... Sotomayor was lying rephrasing ... to get approved, brushing over her previous inconvenient statements.

It is now the officially sanctioned position for Democrats ... racial socialism through deception ... what else is new?

38

I like Kaus. I know ace have him on his blog list. He is probably the most insightful and reasonable democrat, him and juan williams. I may not agree with him on many issues, but they aren't like Paul Begala or James Carville who tow the line at all times and are never honest.  I suggest you guys check out his sight once and a while, it is interesting to see how a moderate democrat thinks. I peg him as a Kennedy democrat, so while he leans left on some issues, he is not an "i hate america, she is historically unjust, and needs to be entirely remade" democrat

39 If someone here does receive Axelnut's e-mail, please post it here so all of us can copy, paste, edit and resend...thx

40 There is no real religion on the face of this earth that does not hold life sacrosanct

The Church Of Gaea and the Church Of Liberalism aren't official religions, but they still have fervent followers in high places.

41 The malignant narcissism of Obama is spreading like an infection.

H e will snap soon and it won't be pretty.

42

So, there is a special place in hell reserved for Nancy McBotox.

 

hopefully she ends up in Dante's Sowers of Discord with Muhammad and Ali,

43 Memorandum:
To:  Douchenozzles of teh White House
From:  Educated Citizens
Subject:  Health Care

Dear Nozzles,

You don't have to make anything.  Presumably, you already HAVE a bill that some people have already read.  Notice, we didn't say politicians.  You could just point to us actual facts about the bill that we are 'misguided' about.  Instead of whining like little bitches to your precious media, why don't you present some facts?  A well organized administration would , we hope, have all the facts straight on THEIR OWN HC BILL, but you continue to omit facts, and chant "Yes we Can!"  Nozzles, this is America, and we wont more than a fuckin slogan that has less thought behind it than a post from Meghan McCain on Twitter.  Please stop insulting our intelligence.  Yes, we know you won...

44 What, taking scripted questions from 11-year-olds whining about "mean signs" didn't tug at the heartstrings?

45 Axelrod = a Rove wannabe.

46

Was watching Americans "terrorize" Specter at the town-hall meeting. 

I don't like Specter but at least he holds meetings.  My two senators, Bingaman and Udall, can't be bothered.  It's probably because they don't get paid bonuses to be there or maybe that they just don't give a big rat's ass what their constituents think.

47 I hope anyone that gets that email sends it to flag@whithouse.gov.  Flood their servers with their own email.

48 Have at it:

Dear Friend,

This is probably one of the longest emails I’ve ever sent, but it could be the most important.

Across the country we are seeing vigorous debate about health insurance reform. Unfortunately, some of the old tactics we know so well are back — even the viral emails that fly unchecked and under the radar, spreading all sorts of lies and distortions.

As President Obama said at the town hall in New Hampshire, “where we do disagree, let's disagree over things that are real, not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that's actually been proposed.”

So let’s start a chain email of our own. At the end of my email, you’ll find a lot of information about health insurance reform, distilled into 8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage, 8 common myths about reform and 8 reasons we need health insurance reform now.

Right now, someone you know probably has a question about reform that could be answered by what’s below. So what are you waiting for? Forward this email.

Thanks,
David

David Axelrod
Senior Adviser to the President

P.S. We launched www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck this week to knock down the rumors and lies that are floating around the internet. You can find the information below, and much more, there. For example, we've just added a video of Nancy-Ann DeParle from our Health Reform Office tackling a viral email head on. Check it out:

8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage

Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.

Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.

Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.

Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.

Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.

Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.

8 common myths about health insurance reform
Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.

We can’t afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.

Reform would encourage "euthanasia": It does not. It’s a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.

Vets' health care is safe and sound: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.

Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It’s myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare "doughnut" hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

You can keep your own insurance: It’s myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you – and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

49

#34 TimothyJ  I am 100% along side you. Some people choose not to see this. Other side issues are more important to them.

50 What, claiming he had the AARP's support when he doesn't didn't assure anyone he's not a clueless liar?

51 "Feeling victimized by misinformation spread virally through the Internet..."

Interesting, less than a year ago obumbles and crew were feeling ELECTED by misinformation spread virally through the Internet.

And funny- since when does "quoting liberally from the text of a proposed bill" constitute spreading misinformation?

52 o is a thin skinned wimp.
he has the commie media, his strong arm thugs and operatives,
and his great charisma.
all that and he is no match for little old ladies.

his commie ideology can't compete w/ their desire to stay alive.

53 AWESOME!

They even fucked up cash for clunkers!

Clunkers’ Cash Buying Large, Not-So-Green Vehicles

;">But what LaHood and other administration officials usually don't mention is that some trucks and sport-utility vehicles that get less than 20 miles per gallon, like the Ford F-150 truck and one version of the Cadillac SRX Crossover, also are being purchased with the new government subsidies. Both are bulky vehicles weighing more than 6,000 pounds when loaded that boast at least 248 horsepower.
;">
;">;">Just how many consumers used the federal rebates to buy these larger, not-so-green vehicles is unclear. The Obama administration has declined so far to release detailed records of purchases under the program being compiled by the Transportation Department, listing every clunker deal requesting rebates. The Associated Press requested the data July 31
;">
;">;">The Transportation Department distributes regular summaries of sales from the clunkers program and has used the electronic sales information from dealers to bolster arguments that Americans are dumping gas guzzlers for gas savers. But its failure to release detailed records means the public can't verify those claims.

54 RE: Catholics voting for Obama

To this day, a lot of Catholics and non-Catholics I talk to are shocked that they never knew about the Obamas' vigorous support of partial-birth and live-birth abortion.  Not too surprising, since the news media didn't want to hurt their candidate's chances of winning.  Here's the article that makes most Catholics' jaws drop when I show it to them:
http://tinyurl.com/6dbsax
Read this and tell me Barack and Michelle don't deserve every last bit of scorn and antipathy we have for them.  Also make sure to watch Jill Stanek's appearance on the O'Reilly show.
http://tinyurl.com/r8vlu8

55 Facebook seems to work pretty well.

56 You know what, the AARP is just out to make money, and they see this as one big money maker for them.  I saw their letter to their members asking them to support the bill, and if that isn't endorsing it, then we might as well go home and blow soap bubbles.

57 That's a very poorly-worded e-mail. Under the "myths", it mixes what Axelrod wants us to perceive as true statements with what he wants us to believe are mythical statements. Loose, loose shit. Axelbot trolls, please politely inform your boss he's losing it. After cookies and milk, of course.

58

As pointed out above, if people are demanding this "reform," why is the White House so busy lying?

President Obama misspoke and did not intend to mislead the public when he said AARP had endorsed his health care legislation pending in Congress, the White House said Wednesday. 

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters that Obama did not mean to misinform Americans when he said Tuesday at a town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., that the senior lobby had backed his legislation. 

"AARP has said they are certainly supportive and have been for years on comprehensive health reform," Gibbs said.  "I don't think the president meant to imply anything untoward. I think he discussed the notion that AARP is supportive of legislation -- or, I'm sorry, an agreement that would -- that would fund filling the doughnut hole for seniors as part of Medicare Part D, as well as additional savings for comprehensive health care reform."

Obama said at the town hall that "we have the AARP onboard because they know this is a good deal for our seniors." He added, "AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare."

59

Another story on this:

President Obama today suggested that the health care reform legislation for which he’s pushing has been endorsed by the American Association of Retired Person.

“We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors,” the president said.

At another point he said: “Well, first of all, another myth that we've been hearing about is this notion that somehow we're going to be cutting your Medicare benefits.  We are not.  AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay?”

The problem?

The AARP hasn't endorsed any plan yet.

The country's largest advocacy group for Americans over 50 issued a statement after the event saying, "While the President was correct that AARP will not endorse a health care reform bill that would reduce Medicare benefits, indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate."

60

Page 431 of the House bill contains the start of the section titled "End of Life Initiative".

Obambi is a liar but that is nothing new.

61 Ha! Palin slapped down Obama, with all due respect!
Drudge links to her Facebook scholarly documentation.

62 Myth: There is no Santa Claus
Fact: Healthcare reform will make sure Santa Claus delivers toys to every boy and girl in the world every year for the rest of eternity

63   What's the over/under on how long it takes for the WH to disavow this chain letter and blame it on some staffer?

64 Dear Mr. Axelturd:

Your email is undeniably fascinating and informative.  I will certainly reconsider my borderline insane opposition to gubmint hellcare.  What really convinced me is the way you cited chapter and verse from the actual bill itself to show me how wrong my impressions have been.  Oh, wait . . .

65 That email is merely eight ways to see that private insurance companies make no profit.  As we all ready knew, he 's just trying to run them all out of business. 

66 Obama: "I'm going to cut income taxes for 95% of working class families."
Reality: "Obama, that's impossible, only about 65% of working families pay income taxes."
Obama: (scans teleprompters, looks over at Axelrod)
Reality: "Well?"
Obama: "I'm feeling victimized!"

67 Ya know, compared to the Bush administration, the Obama administration is a pack of whining little pussies.

68 @48:

Dear David Axelrod,

Will Obamacare be able to do something about your uncanny resemblance to the sort of guy that hangs around playgrounds in hopes of catching little girls on swings flashing their panties?

Didn't think so.

69 You know what, the AARP is just out to make money, and they see this as one big money maker for them.  I saw their letter to their members asking them to support the bill, and if that isn't endorsing it, then we might as well go home and blow soap bubbles. Posted by: TimothyJ

AARP is the Pharmaceutical Industry Tool.

70

Any of that stuff I get I'll immediately forward to flag@whitehouse.gov.

Lets stuff that box and create a nightmare for them on their effort to identify "fishy" email.

71 Viral emails? Weak stuff. When I was in charge of the BoosHitler/Cheneyburton Death Star, I was busy creating hurricanes and converting blood to oil. Mwahahahahahahaaaa!

72 That's a very poorly-worded e-mail. Under the "myths", it mixes what Axelrod wants us to perceive as true statements with what he wants us to believe are mythical statements.

I noticed that, too. Apparently their propaganda staff isn't all that versed on English.

73

Here Wookie, Wookie. Anybody seen the wookie(e)? If they can find First Wookie(e) I suggest they sent her (?) out on the road to sell this plan to all of us backwoods rednecks. She is soooo persuasive.

74 67 Ya know, compared to the Bush administration average Romper Room show, the Obama administration is a pack of whining little pussies.

Posted by: Rob Crawford

FIFY

75 Sarah Palin: Concerning the "Death Panels"

76 51 "Feeling victimized by misinformation spread virally through the Internet..."

Interesting, less than a year ago obumbles and crew were feeling ELECTED by misinformation spread virally through the Internet.

And funny- since when does "quoting liberally from the text of a proposed bill" constitute spreading misinformation?

Posted by: buster mcDissenter at August 13, 2009 10:07 AM (DFSju)

Nominate for threadwinner!

77 Oh , i thought it was Palin they blamed to whine about media.

Time to get out of the kitchen Obama.

78 Of course AARP is in Obama's back pocket, but the AARP execs can't tell their membership.

79 Lets face facts: AARP is one of America's largest insurance companies, masquerading as a "senior citizen organization."

Obviously, they've struck a deal with Obama to make $ off the socialized medicine scam.

80
Myth: No free shit
Fact: Healthcare reform is full of free shit just for you

81

"Feeling victimized by misinformation spread virally through the Internet..."

Ask Sarah Palin about that.

82 Twenty-four points is about 20 points too many (or perhaps even 24 points too many)

83 Dear Mr. Axelrod:
I am impressed with the way you write and the way you think and would like to sign up for your newsletter.
Jakeman

84

z0mg if u forward this email to 10 people then u will get 1,000$ in ur checking account from OBAMA!!!1!  itz crazy but I heard 1 guy did it and it worked! so i figure why not give it a try and see what happenz!

85 What? I'm even getting heat about this?
Who doesn't like cookies for Pete's sake?

Get a release out about the Cookie Nazis, stat!
Shoot a commercial with Cookie Monster saying how much he loves them.

86
Myth: Truth
Fact: Lie

87

"The only way to win, is to scare the pants off congressmen."

Yew cewwtanwy fwighten me, yew big hunk of consewvative man-meat, yew...  And look!  Thewe go the pants!

88 This from the political party that...
1) Controls the White House
2) Has a 50-or-so vote majority in the House (once you get past about 25 it doesn't really matter much)
3) Has a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate (and a couple of RiNO CrapWeasels to help them whenever needed)
4) Has the knee-pad clad MSM in their back pocket

And they need an e-mail to go viral "to get their message out"?

Wow - methinks we've reached the 9th circle of totally freaking pathetically impotent here.

89 This is just one way BO is fighting obesity:
Food Firms Warn of Sugar Shortage

Some of America's biggest food companies say the U.S. could "virtually run out of sugar" if the Obama administration doesn't ease import restrictions amid soaring prices for the key commodity.

In a letter to Agriculture Secretary Thomas Vilsack, the big brands -- including Kraft Foods Inc., General Mills Inc., Hershey Co. and Mars Inc. -- bluntly raised the prospect of a severe shortage of sugar used in chocolate bars, breakfast cereal, cookies, chewing gum and thousands of other products.

The companies threatened to jack up consumer prices and lay off workers if the Agriculture Department doesn't allow them to import ..

90 86, well played sir

91 That fishy email got fisked.

92

"This is probably one of the longest emails I’ve ever sent, but it could be the most important."

Oh, I'm sure you'll be saying that again during the ramp-up to the 2012 election cycle...

93 You know, I'd say that the Obama Administration is crying like little girls about this but I don't want to insult little girls by the comparison.

94 I'd just reply with:

 "Too long, didn't read. Oh, and if this is so great, why are Congress and the President not on this plan as well?"

95 Some of America's biggest food companies say the U.S. could "virtually run out of sugar" if the Obama administration doesn't ease import restrictions amid soaring prices for the key commodity.

GODDAMMIT!! THIS WILL NOT STAND!!!

96 I sent the Axelrod email to flag@whitehouse.gov, asking them to run down this guy Axelrod, that he was spreading dis-information.  Hope they take action.
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

97 How much will my health insurance rate go up if Obama adds all those rules?  If everyone with major health problems is thrown in my cost pool, my rates would probably triple, at least.

I admit I'd like to know my insurance company can't just skyrocket my rates once I have a significant claim, especially since I've been paying in for years with no claims.  Perhaps some compromise will be necessary, but total care to everyone also seems unworkable. 

The less you pay in, the more you are rationed?  Should an illegal alien Mexican get a knee replacement if they are 45, but not hard working Mom because she is 72?

98

They don't get it.  A viral video is viral because it has a life of its own.  You can't create a viral video anymore than you can create an interest in a particular idea or candidate.  Either the idea has legs or it doesn't.  Either the candidate gets people excited or he doesn't.  Saying it's exciting doesn't make it so.  Saying it's popular doesn't make it so.  And attempting to make a viral video doesn't make it viral.  The White House is looking ever more the fool.

99 The White House being "victimized"? 

Welcome to America, years 2000-2008.

100 If I forward it, is Bill Gates going to give a million dollars so some little girl in Oklahoma can have life saving surgery?

101 This just shows tha they're losing the argument and badly to boot. They're posting counter-arguments to a bill that according to them doesn't yet exist, so what gives. The details of this monstrosity will be the thing that kills it. The details that Axelrod mentions spell doom for insurance carriers (i.e. no lifetime caps, no deductibles, no gender based price differences (only women can get pregnant), no preexisting condtion exclusions) unless they vastly increase premiums - by like a factor of 5.

This is all, of course to drive you to the "free" public option because of the enormous cost to you and your employer. In fact, the debate can be summed up by asking the POTUS or your congressman "if under Obamacare, my health premiums increase by 2-3x (due to the "reforms"), why would I (or my employer - remember they pay about 50% or the gross premium) NOT be forced onto the public plan due to the high cost of individual insurance". That's the plan folks, plain and simple - make individual insurance impossibly expensive via "reforms" so that by default the vast majority of those with individual policies go to the public option. Axlerod says as mush in his email.

102 Time to victimize them some more.

103 RESPECT THIER AUTHORITAH!!!!

104 "some of the old tactics we know so well"

Heh.

105 Wow... Energy shortages, sugar shortages...

Is there no limit to The Miracle Worker's Mighty Arm?

106

All the 8 points he lists as positives contradicts any promise that private insurance will still be available.  To a thinking person anyway.

 

 

 

107 If a liberal lefty forwards that crap to me, i'll send back a trojan.

How are you gonna squeeze a condom into an email?

108 This reminds me of the final days of Hillarycare in 1993. When the Democrats knew it was kaput they tried a last desperate act of saying "Let's at least do this for kids".

When folks aka deranged Nazis asked, "You mean a kid is covered, but Mom and Dad are not?", that last fart failed as well.

Here we are many years later, facing the same "crisis", and getting the same result.

The Democrats will never abandon their quest to enslave all of us, except the vanguard of the proletariat, with Universal Health Care.

Never.

109

Some of America's biggest food companies say the U.S. could "virtually run out of sugar" if the Obama administration doesn't ease import restrictions amid soaring prices for the key commodity.

Easy way to deal with this.  Burn the sugar fields.  Makes as much sense as anything else I've done.

110 Laura Ingraham is fragging some shillboy from the insurance industry who's been shilling for Deathapalooza; using the scorpion & frog analogy but in different terms.

111 Can I haz tonsils?

112 67 Ya know, compared to the Bush administration, the Obama administration is a pack of whining little pussies.
Compared to a nursery school, this administration is a pack of whining little pussies.

113
>>The Democrats will never abandon their quest to enslave all of us, except the vanguard of the proletariat, with Universal Health Care.

Cockholsters. Every last one of them. Go ahead, report me.

114 Regardless who is president, whatever's going on in Washington, when the seat of power for the United States of America says it's being victimized, that's a bad, bad thing.

115

They don't get it.  A viral video is viral because it has a life of its own.  You can't create a viral video anymore than you can create an interest in a particular idea or candidate.  

- Chuck Woollery

 

It'll go viral, all right.  It'l be plastered all over the blogosphere and fisked till it bleeds piss.

116 114, The Most Powerful Man in the World is being emasculated by words in an email?  What are our odds in a dustup with NK and Iran?

117 114: Yeah, this President just oozes ineptness and impotence. Wonderful, we elected the inmates to run the asylum and they can't even do that.

118 It's almost as if Obama has no executive experience at all.

119 what I don't understand is that the "death panels" are going to be encouraging and maybe forcing suicide.  There is no real religion on the face of this earth that does not hold life sacrosanct (?).  Suicide means you to go hell.  Do the catholic and evangelical Christians not understand that?


"forced suicide" is murder.  The sin of murder attaches to the perp and not the victim, although anything you did before they shoot you full of potassium chloride is on you.

120

Just one point that strikes me.

I know many retired career military personel who were told that they would have full medical coverage for life if they spent enough time in their branch of service.

That promise has not been honored. Retirees are being charged for medical care on the grounds of budget issues.

When they are able to use military medical facilities, they often have 6 month wait times for appointments.

Lessons:

1-Your government will not keep it's promises.

2- Government medical facilities ration care.

 

That should just about cover the whole debate.

 

121 My shitbag congressman Dennis Moore is afraid to have meetings, but is honest enough to say he is for single payor. Not a popular thing here in the district but he could give a fuck.

122 What's to stop a citizen from taking Axelturfs little memo and countering each of his points with some facts and then forwarding it to everyone they know?

123

"What are our odds in a dustup with NK and Iran?"

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BERRONG TO US.

124

The lack of actual information in that Email is almost surprising. It's all platitudes. The only concrete policy proposals I can see are the first 8 bullet points and I don't see a single one that seems as if it's intended to help insurance companies lower costs to provide cheaper coverage. Every single one sounds to me like it will force an insurance company to charge more if they hope to make a profit. Ending co-pays? Forcing any company to insure any individual regardless of their past and current medical problems?  Absurd.

 

Just imagine that your medical insurance is like your car insurance. The government wants to force a company to insure everyone who asks, regardless or their driving record or how many people they have run down while blind drunk, and they have to do it "fairly", they can't charge drunks more than they charge everyone else. What do you think will happen to everyones costs?

 

As for all the "MYTHS" that it is supposed to debunk, it offers no actual, you know, ideas about where all of this supposed "waste and inefficiencies" are that will save money and lower costs.

 

125 First person who send me that shit gets hunted down and Dick Cheney shoots em in the face. I just wish I knew how to attach a trojan to it. I so would. Damn, I hate that Snidely Whiplash Dirk Dastardly mofo Axelturd.

126 Di hasn't had any coffee yet...

127 Praise Obama, I'm giddy the last few days with their incredible dumbness between the epic ObamaFails, the faux Docs, Sheila Jackson-Lee's cellphone, and practically every other fumbling fuckup from the party in power.  Yeah, we're till on course and still in the handbasket, but I picture Obama with an expression like Kahn's when Kirk lowered the Reliant's shields and I just LAAAAAAAUUUUUGH.

Oh, and Ras has O's approval rating at a new low...47%.

My sides, my sides....

128 ATTENTION MORONS!!!

Anyone who gets one of these Axelrod e-mails should fire back a copy of this article from the WSJ:

http://tinyurl.com/m592h6


It's an article by the president of WHOLE FOODS, purveyor of fine organic groceries to a great many Obama supporters,  and it gives an excellent alternative which preserves our health care system without any government interference.

129 Yikes, Miss Marple!  Whole Foods is just about the most libtard company out there.  If they've joined the opposition, that's a very encouraging indicator.

130 White House spam.  A new low.  Also, just repeating "It's a myth! It's absurd!" is not convincing.  Show me the data, bucko.

131 Yes, that's what I think!   And it is quite plain that they oppose Obama's plan!

(Are you the Peaches I knew on FR a couple of years ago?)

132 #126-I've had my caffeine intake for the day, but I have a migraine and I am completely tired of these damn people. It might not be a great idea to cross me wrong today, true.

133

8 ways reform provides security and stability to those without coverage and screws those who are perfectly happy with their coverage.

Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history until they go broke and Uncle Sam takes over with single-payer coverage.

Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses furthering their demise and the socialist system Obama really wants.

Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as medical marijuana (wink, wink), acupuncture, organic foods, horoscopes, palm readings, and community organizer training.

Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill and need to take inexpensive pain pills until you drop dead, Sucka.

Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender because the government is going to tax the crap out of everyone, regardless of gender, age, race, nationality, union membership, or political affiliation to pay for this shitty plan.

Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive because your lifetimes will be seriously shortened by Ezekial Emmanuel's death panels.

Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26 so free-loading, Obama-voting little bastards can live in Mom's basement sending troll posts to Ace of Spades HQ longer.

Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick and cannot get in to see the doctor because the waiting period is 18 months or longer.

David "Trust Me" Axelturf
Whitehouse Bullshit Czar

134 89 This is just one way BO is fighting obesity:
Food Firms Warn of Sugar Shortage

Some of America's biggest food companies say the U.S. could "virtually run out of sugar" if the Obama administration doesn't ease import restrictions amid soaring prices for the key commodity.

In a letter to Agriculture Secretary Thomas Vilsack, the big brands -- including Kraft Foods Inc., General Mills Inc., Hershey Co. and Mars Inc. -- bluntly raised the prospect of a severe shortage of sugar used in chocolate bars, breakfast cereal, cookies, chewing gum and thousands of other products.

The companies threatened to jack up consumer prices and lay off workers if the Agriculture Department doesn't allow them to import ..

Posted by: momma at August 13, 2009 10:33 AM (penCf)

If this country has a chocolate shortage, the O-hole will experience an uprising by the female population.  I know, because my ex-wife would lead the charge!

135 Sugar shortage?  Going into Halloween and Christmas?

This just is another demonstration of how Obama is trying to destroy every bit of this country, including holidays.  

I think I will go eat a brownie.

136 (Are you the Peaches I knew on FR a couple of years ago?)

Posted by: Miss Marple at August 13, 2009 12:13 PM (Vli7s)

No, I was never a freeper.  Recently switched to Peaches because people kept assuming "CB" was a man and I was unable to alter my posting style to reflect a dainty and lady-like sensibility.

137 On Hannity's Great American Panel last night, Everyone, and I mean everyone, had the passing of Obamacare at 50-50. Enough Congress people are not afraid yet us yet. They must be more afraid of Palosi and Obama, Or they fear they may not be invited to any more lavish DC parties, so the DNC will tell them. Fear of not being reelected is their weekness. 

138

Does anyone, and I mean anyone, at the White House understand basic economics 101?  Some of these so called talking points are utterly bullshit.  For example:

Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

The age group of 18-26 is generally the healthiest and, for the most part, when given a choice, opts to either not have insurance or only elects to take catastrophic coverage.  Basically, they are going to ding Mom and Dad (that is you) for premiums that there is no reasonable chance of return on. I would much rather take the money I would pay for extending coverage to my young adults and invest it in something with a greater chance of return, if nothing else, a low paying but secure bank CD.  And more importantly, as the father of a 16, 13 and 10 year old, at what point in time can I just tell my offspring, I have done my job, you have been raised, now get out of the nest and go establish your own life?

Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

So, we are now encouraging people who otherwise have very little need for an exam.  If I have to pay for an exam, I will probably wait for either a problem to arise or when I hit a certain age (at 25, I am not getting a prostrate exam...at 50, I probably will).  So, while deriding uncessary test, "The One" is now actually encouraging more needless test. And how much is a normal co-pay for a routine phyical.  I do not have a cadillac plan, but my annual check-up sets me back $20 a year.  Have we gotten to the point where damn, if I do not get it for free, I ain't doing it.

We have reached a sad point in the republic where a sizeable portion of Americans think this is a good idea.

139 Boy, Mickey Kaus must be a radical Limbaugh-like conservative to think that Obama planned death panels all along.

/sarc off

140

Feeling victimized by misinformation American citizens expressing the truth spread virally through the Internet, the White House Thursday is launching its own "viral e-mail" for supporters to spread.

FIFY.

141 "Il Dufe" commands a powerful organization with a huge, armed eforcement squad, and can  confiscate your assets and have you imprisoned and even killed. And he feels "victimized." Boo-@#$*ing-hoo.

142 people kept assuming "CB" was a man and I was unable to alter my posting style to reflect a dainty and lady-like sensibility.

Posted by: Peaches at August 13, 2009 12:33 PM (9Wv2j)

LOL! I'm a female as well, but I will not change my miniker or posting style. "SFC" stands for Sergeant First Class; my retired Army rank. "MAC" is a shortened version of my last name.

143

What the hell ever happened to dignity in the WH?  These idiots are supposed to be our "leaders".  I am tired of them thinking that anyone who doesn't agree with the party line is stupid, racist or ill-informed.  So they just expect us to swallow this whole.

Me, I'd rather spit than swallow!

144 Common Sense tells me, it doesn't take a Thousand Pages of Legislation to accomplish Eight objectives.

145

When I was 22, my dad told me to make sure my new job had coverage because I was off his insurance and I told him duh, of course I got a job with insurance, I can't believe you even had to ask!  That's what grown people do.

146 If someone does forward the Axlerod chain mail to you, just do what I did to an acquaintance who cluttered my inbox with it.. Down at the bottom of the forwarded page was the link to 'unsubscribe' said supporter from future correspondence...  here's to hoping that worked.

147 At the beginning of the year, Axelrod sold his astroturfing firm for a million or two.

148

"I was unable to alter my posting style to reflect a dainty and lady-like sensibility."

Have you seen the way Ginger posts?  ololol

149

@34: "There is no real religion on the face of this earth that does not hold life sacrosanct (?).  Suicide means you to go hell."

TimothyJ, meet Islam.  Islam, meet TimothyJ.  Also, say hi to Shinto over there.  It hasn't advocated suicide in  a while, but it that's a relatively new thing for it.

Tim, you may experience a slight ringing in your ears when Islam's representative blows himself up.  Don't worry, though.  The rest of you won't be anywhere near your ears.

And what Islam's rep doesn't get, the Shinto kamikaze pilot probably will....

150

@38: "I peg him as a Kennedy democrat, so while he leans left on some issues, he is not an "i hate america, she is historically unjust, and needs to be entirely remade" democrat"

Of course, of the three major Kennedys in American political history, only one of them hewed to that line.

151 If a liberal lefty forwards that crap to me, i'll send back a trojan.

I think they prefer Durex, instead.

152

OK, no big deal 40 million uninsured people.

They never get sick.

Right.

So what if they do?

They go to the ER where nice right wing folks like yourselves take care of them.

ER healthcare is expensive shouldn't be used as a primary or secondary healthcare delivery system.

What's your solution?

Oh that's right, you don't have one.

Your smug little shits who belittle the holocaust by comparing IT to obamacare.

Is life expentancy an indicator of good healthcare?  Canada being the prime example of what is bad about universal healtcare beats the USA.

Look it up. 

Maybe your kneejerk to obamacare is warranted but then again maybe it is the same old tired bs that people have grown tired over.

 

 

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