1 Weapons grade stupid.

2 1st

3 dammit 2nd

4 um. unclefacts was first, or whatever.

5 I shall abide by the decision of The Council

6 which, BTW, is a really dumb import from LGF.

But, to the subject?
Whatadumbass. or mobydumbass

7 Assassins got the other lib. populists in the 60's. Was he making a try for it? A "true believer" from within the conservative movement?

8 I don't see why we have to beat this guy down for not relinquishing his right to self-protection. Just because you choose to trust the law enforcement around to protect you doesn't mean he should.

9 If you're too stupid to know when and how to properly exercise your rights, then you forfeit the right to carry.

As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon."

10 There's usually a reason why Resistance Movements are subversive. When you advertise the gov't comes after you. What an idiot.

11 *facepalm.jpg*

12 No sympathy for the guy.  He has the right to carry a machine gun for all I care but that was the wrong place, wrong time, wrong reason and he gave the hippies an excuse to say "they're ALL like that!"

13 I mean, WTF is Matthews interviewing an a-hole that brought a loaded gun to anything so contentious?

He shoulda been locked up in a dark hole by now, not on national TV. It don't smell right, like the john said to the hooker

14

this guy's brain was not firing on all neurons when he decided taking a gun to a Presidential event would be a good idea

15

 

So?

Let's do like the Leftwing and ignore it. It was a non-story non-event until we started to talk about it.

16 At least he didn't say he voted for Palin.

17 I also like his line, 'I'm surprised he calls himself a Constitutional Scholar".

18   He shoulda been locked up in a dark hole by now, not on national TV. It don't smell right

Yeah, something's not right here.  And then he shows up on DNCNBC?  Not passing the sniff-test.  Guys who throw crap over the fence at the WH spend more time getting 'talked to'.

19 Ah shit an AP post!

20

i agree. technically the open carry law is legal, but for PR reasons it hurts our side and makes him look more like a nutty wanna be assassin than someone exercising their freedom

 

21 Evil Midnight Bombef What Bombs At Midnight (wow, I get tired just typing that), is right.

This doesn't meet the smell test.

22 and he was on Hardball tonight, but I didn't watch it.

23 Bombef?

24 4 um. unclefacts was first, or whatever.

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at August 11, 2009 09:02 PM (taJZA)

Yeah, and don't none of you slackasses forget it.

25 HELLO, folks... does the term "PLANT" ring any bells?

And I don't mean a daffodil...

26
He shoulda been locked up in a dark hole by now, not on national TV. It don't smell right, like the john said to the hooker

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at August 11, 2009 09:07 PM (taJZA)

I agree.  How is this dude already doing the media circut?  Why wasn't he waterboarded?  Everyone knows those fucking Dems in the WH love to do that shit.  Hell, even Pelosi agreed to it.

27 How do we know this guy wasn't an ACORN or SEIU plant sent in to discredit the Town Hallers. Strange how he got that close to King Barry's potemkin town hall with the Secret Service all over the place. How did he manage to get released in time to put on a clown show for Chrissy Meth-hews

28 How did he manage to get released in time to put on a clown show for Chrissy Meth-hews
Posted by: kbdabear at August 11, 2009 09:13 PM (0Lv+U)

BINGO!

29 It don't smell right,

Posted by: evil midnight bomber what bombs at midnight at August 11, 2009 09:07 PM (taJZA)

It sure doesn't smell right.  I'm pretty sure if I got caught with a loaded weapon anywhere near Obama, I'd be in a deep dark hole for a very long time, not on tv with Chrissy McTingles.  This definitely doesn't pass the smell test for me.  Although, I've not watched the video, so maybe I'm wrong.

30 Wait, wait.  This guy wasn't there at the same time as the President?  He just carried his gun to an event on Church property and didn't approach the President? 

Jeezus.  Woooooooooooooscary

31 harmless guy clearly only interested in looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

32 everybody drink every time you hear wolf blitzer say, "that's the house version" when trying to deflect peoples critisizm. Penn from Penn and Teller is on. I love that guy.

33 clarification - he was questioned 2 hours before the meeting, when Barry was still in DC. - he was not at the rally, he was on private property (a church) a  1/2 mile away.

Now New Hampshire is an open carry state so he was legally, openly, carrying his sidearm... certainly skirting the borders of common sense, but if it was two hours prior to the town hall, he may have just be making a statement to the SEIU...

34 I don't see why we have to beat this guy down for not relinquishing his right to self-protection. Just because you choose to trust the law enforcement around to protect you doesn't mean he should.

Posted by: Tokin42 at August 11, 2009 09:05 PM (7JbDs)

 

the guy took a gun to an event where The President of the United States was to appear- not smart, state CCW law notwithstanding

Concealed carry requires good judgement and common sense, not just a card in your wallet- this guy showed neither

35 He may have been making a statement---he may just regularly carry his sidearm.  This is spun bigtime.  Can't do anything just in case the press spins it?  Fuck that and fuck them.

36 i will admit he had a nice looking gun, anyone know what is was. I thought it was a Glock M&P .40, but it was only fleetingly on screen

37 harmless guy clearly only interested in looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 11, 2009 09:14 PM (VDj74)

That's what people might have said about lee harvey Oswald

38 Ok I dont have all the facts: was the guy in the room with the President while carrying? or is it something else entirely?

39 the gun was not concealed, no permit required in NH

40 I question the timing.

41 I must say, though: wouldn't it have been sweet if that poor black guy in the wheelchair being assaulted by SEIU thugs whipped out a 44 Magnum and taught them not to do such a thing ever again?

42

 

Re: "this hurts our side"

Um, no, I'm not worried about losing the moral high ground because of some dummy because a) the fraud-in-chief stole the election, b) the fraud-in-chief is good friends with Bill Ayers, a killer and a anti-American terrorist, and c) I'm sure that dummy with a gun is still a far far better person than every single leftwing Obamaton.

So it only "hurts our side" if you think so. The reality is that it doesn't hurt us at all.

43 As a concealed carry permit holder myself, I couldn't agree more with U.J. on this one. Just plain dumb. Having said that, I think Tweets is right - why add fuel to the fire by drawing added attention to it?
 
I dunno...I've got a sinking feeling about all this shit that's hittin' the fan lately. I'm not gonna give up, but it sure feels like swimmin' upstream to me. Damn.  

44 Nah, phreshone, he wanted attention.

For those who didn't see the video: Self-admitted Paultard.

45 holy crap, Captain America, PS wasn't gone very long.......

46 Plant.

47 38 Ok I dont have all the facts: was the guy in the room with the President while carrying? or is it something else entirely?
Posted by: Jones at August 11, 2009 09:17 PM (KOkrW)

It was, apparently, something else entirely.

This thread needs to be pulled.

48 great the only thing on msnbc and CNN are the Jesus will get you guy and the gun guy. Who knew right??

49 No, no, no, no, no.  I just saw the MSNBC story on this and this is bullshit.  You want to take fake responsibility for a fake problem?

This is non-issue BS spun to turn him into if not a potential assassin, a man trying to make vague threats.  And that's complete crap.  Don't, in the name of our side, take responsibility for threatening the President.  That's complete shit.

50 I withdraw everything I have posted on this thread except '1st' and 'Jones'. I don't know what happened with this NH guy and should not have commented.

51 The guy is just a "look ma, I'm on TV" ass.

52 I can't believe the secret service didn't have someone standing on each side of this guy the whole time. I have a CC in Washington and the law is you can't take a gun to political events.  The news says that Obama has recieved more death threats than any other president because he is such an arrogant asshole. They may not have said the last part.

53 I just read about this guy, his interview with Chris Matthews. Mr. Tree Of Liberty is lucky--we're all lucky--this didn't end badly. Challenging enough to fight for gun ownership rights in ordinary times. Idiots like this make it ten times harder.

54 48 great the only thing on msnbc and CNN are the Jesus will get you guy and the gun guy. Who knew right??
Posted by: Ben at August 11, 2009 09:19 PM (f0I0I)

Relax... it's CNN.

That's the ratings equivalent of local access TV shows about hothouse gardening.

55 If you had a sign that said something like "I wouldn't go to the theater if I were you, Obama", the Secret Service would cuff you and take you into custody. You'd be answering questions for hours while they searched the internet and databases for a very long time doing a background check on you. Highly unlikely you'd be Chrissy's Dangerous Racist Evil Strawman for that night's show.

56 FYI, he had an earpiece in his ear.  I first thought he was a Secret Service infiltrator.  Turns out he's a backyard James Bond.

57 Are we taking MSNBC at its word now?

Just checking.

Don't be shell shocked by the press trying to make you look bad.

58

a) the fraud-in-chief stole the election

 

really? you think he stole the election. I don't think so. The Primaries? Yes I will buy that argument but not the General Election. I think we forfeited it by putting up McCain.

59

But he didn't do anything, right?  I fail to see the big deal.  I am probably missing some nuanced logic, but calling this guy a moron pretty much makes every leftard's main argument against the 2nd amendment just a little bit more legitimate. The average American cannot and will not be trusted with a weapon (by the government), under any and all circumstances wich involve a citizen confronting an authority figure.  To me, it seems like we have already lost.

 

When they come to sieze your evil fossil-fuel burning relic of an automoblie or tell your grandma she has to take a pill for her pains "for the health of the planet and the greater good" what recourse is there after they have convinced all of America that carrying a gun in public is CRAZY.

 

If guns create violence...

then Pencils misspel words

Cars make you drive drunk

Spoons made Rosie "fire doesn't melt steele" O'Donnel fat.

 

Stop letting the left dictate what you think is apropriate...And yes, I would have flipped my lid if someone had brought a gun to a GWB townhall....I have double standards too and that fact does not make me feel uncomfortable. Look around you....honorable combat is for losers and serfs.

60 the law is you can't take a gun to political events
Posted by: robtr at August 11, 2009 09:21 PM (H60q6)

Every family dinner in my family is a plolitical event. As the only true blue conservative, should I go packing?

61

 

Because of posts like this one, we now own this guy.

 

IGNORE IT. This guy acted on his own volition and has nothing to do with us.

 

 

62

That's the ratings equivalent of local access TV shows about hothouse gardening

 

i know, but it solidifies Ace's point. that this is what the networks will carry. i didn't see, but i am willing to bet CBS, NBC, and ABC all carried nothing but that. And while their ratings are declining, at least 5 million watch each of those networks during the news hour.

63 @58

You're right, Ben... but since when does an accusation of stolen elections have to be true in order to be effective?

64

Oh gee, what happend to "peace out"?

Back to topic: oy freaking vey (slaps palm on forehead)...and now they are trumpeting something about a swastika painted on a Georgia congresscritter's office or something.  I didn't read it, don't want to, find it rather...contrived.  But nonetheless, it will get trumpeted --- aaaiiiieee, scary, scary, me so afwaid.

Gird your loins; this one isn't over by a longshot, and is only going to get more ridiculous.

65

Every family dinner in my family is a plolitical event. As the only true blue conservative, should I go packing?

yes, do an open carry with an AR-15. I just duct tape it to my leg for family events. no political arguments in 8 years.

66 62
"That's the ratings equivalent of local access TV shows about gardening"


i know, but it solidifies Ace's point. that this is what the networks will carry. i didn't see, but i am willing to bet CBS, NBC, and ABC all carried nothing but that. And while their ratings are declining, at least 5 million watch each of those networks during the news hour.

Posted by: Ben at August 11, 2009 09:24 PM (f0I0I)


Oh, GREAT! You mean Ace will now feel the need to lecture us not to carry guns into town halls when the President is there?

We KNOW, Ace... we KNOW.

67 Gird your loins; this one isn't over by a longshot, and is only going to get more ridiculous.

Posted by: unknown jane at August 11, 2009 09:25 PM (EpmMs)

My loins have been gridded since Nov 2 2008.

68 I guess you're right and it will be played up badly by the libs, but damn if that guy didn't present himself very well on Hardball.

69

Because of posts like this one, we now own this guy.

IGNORE IT. This guy acted on his own volition and has nothing to do with us.

Posted by: Tweets

Agreed.  I don't know what Jimbo was thinking.

No matter what he did or didn't do we now own the worst spin the press can come up with on this.

70 Jesus. the ONLY Swastikas in mainstream political discourse I've seen for the last 9 years were those painted over pictures of Last Real President Bush...

71 He has the right , but he was wrong.

72 At work, don't have time to check the story, but if the guy was indeed 1/2 mile away 2 hours prior, Uncle J can you update the post to reflect that?

73
For those who didn't see the video: Self-admitted Paultard.


Now why doesn't that surprise me.

74

kbdabear - I'm with you. This doesn't add up. If he were not a shill, he would have left it at home because the licensed-to-carry folks value the privilege so highly that they do nothing to endanger it. Second, look where he carried it - strapped to his leg. No one carries to "show it off" especially to an event like this. Third, the leg location also conveniently placed it such that no one could claim they were “assaulted” by him in case he was bumped or something unexpected happened. And, he just so happened to be right in front so that the nitwits at MSNBC could “spot” him and Chrissy could "interview" him. How convenient. Finally, did you see his “sign”?

I put my money on the guy being a union shill…

75 BTW, who needs to use guns if we all can train to be like this guy?

Steven Seagal Pushes It To The Limit.

/Anything before On Deadly Ground, I consider to be a comedy.

76

I thought it was a Glock M&P .40

 

What the hell is a Glock M&P .40? Anything like a Glock 22 or a S&W  M&P 40?

 

Sorry, these things are pricey.

77

 

you think he stole the election?

You think Obama really got 65 million legit votes?

You think Obama really won North Carolina and Indiana, not to mention Florida and Ohio?

They started voting weeks ahead of election day with that bullshit "Early Voting" and you don't think people were two, three times in Florida and other states?

78   My loins have been gridded since Nov 2 2008.

Sounds painful, can penicillin clear it up?

79 Gun and protest sign.  Second Amendment, First Amendment.  We the people own this country.  It's ours, and so we can carry our guns and our signs wherever we want.  Got a problem with that?  Go to Cuba and worship Castro.  No guns or signs allowed around him.

80 50 I withdraw everything I have posted on this thread except '1st' and 'Jones'. I don't know what happened with this NH guy and should not have commented.

Posted by: Jones at August 11, 2009 09:20 PM (KOkrW)

What the fuck did I tell you about that first shit? Nice kneecaps, shame if something happened to them.

81 Well he has one thing going for him, he will be famous inside the halls of the Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies for the rest of his life. By now they have a warrant and are sifting through his entire background, everything he's said, every blog comment. What he did is just dumb.

82

Fucking Paultards.  Just. Go. Away.

This guy is a stupid attention-whore, out to show just how hardcore he is without concern for the actual cause he's supposedly representing.

Open carry is usually a bad idea anyways; doing it at a political rally while holding a sign calling for bloodshed?  Fucking imbecile.

I'd have no problem if he kept it concealed so long as it was legal to do so.  But open carry in that situation?  Inexcusable.  Then again, no one ever accused a Paultard of acting reasonably.

83

 

I don't know what Jimbo was thinking.

I guess he felt the need to issue some explanation as though this guy, this nobody, was one of our own and wandered off the reservation.

 

 

84 Every family dinner in my family is a plolitical event. As the only true blue conservative, should I go packing?

Sure. Bet you'll never have to do the dishes again.

85 Open carry is usually a bad idea anyways;
 
I'm with ya there. The element of surprise is always your friend.

86 Let's not be too hard on this guy, though... wasn't he just practicing "the Chicago Way," as The One so magnificently put it?

87

According tot he comments om the Hot Air version of this story, the guy was not at the town hall. He was protesting with a sign on the property of a privately owned church "along the route" well before the event.

He was bearing openly in a holster.

He was nowhere near the president.

There is no record of him threatening or brandishing.

Union people recently beat someone up at a protest so protecting yourself is NOT a dumb idea.

MSNBC tried to get him arrested for openly carrying a gun he had the legal right to openly carry and they tried to indicate that his sign painted him as violent. The police said "no" as well they should.

The guy went on Chris Matthews and calmly answered the expected heap of loaded, idiot friendly questions and watched Chris overreact like a typical self righteous, gun-squeamish, high brow, urban tool who regally assumes that his personal drothers should overrule local laws and the 2nd ammendment. Chris tried unsucessfully to make the man feel shame for not being made of Chris Matthews approved material. Luckily this routine failed to impress the guy.

About the only ACTUAL bad thing I can see about the "gun" guy is that he says voted for Ron Paul. That's too bad.

88 harmless guy clearly only interested in looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at August 11, 2009 09:14 PM (VDj74)

PS: you sonofawhoreson bitch! I wish I knew how to quit you.
AoSHQ: Well, why don't you? Why don't you just let me be?

89

What the fuck did I tell you about that first shit? Nice kneecaps, shame if something happened to them.

Posted by: UncleFacts, Summoner of the Meteors at August 11, 2009 09:30 PM (vZVv7

 

you WILL bow down before me, UncleFacts, Summoner of the Meteors - you, and your heirs

90

Gun and protest sign.  Second Amendment, First Amendment.  We the people own this country.  It's ours, and so we can carry our guns and our signs wherever we want.  Got a problem with that?  Go to Cuba and worship Castro.  No guns or signs allowed around him.

Yet another idiot who doesn't understand the difference between "rights" and "responsibility".

That you CAN do something does not imply that you SHOULD do that something?  Get it, stupid?

91
Unfortunately we get to own this guy thanks to the MSM and now Uncle Jimbo, even though half to 2/3rds of all Paultards are ex-Democrats.

92

you WILL bow down before me, UncleFacts, Summoner of the Meteors - you, and your heirs

Posted by: Jones aka ZOD at August 11, 2009 09:35 PM (KOkrW)

You best watch who you're speaking to. Not only have I been labeled an Extreme Right Winger, I've also been told I'm threat to society. I'll torture you so long, you'll think it's a career.

93 I guess he felt the need to issue some explanation as though this guy, this nobody, was one of our own and wandered off the reservation. Posted by: Tweets

It's been elevated from a third rate cable network story to a blog story.  Ugh.

94

Gird your loins; this one isn't over by a longshot, and is only going to get more ridiculous.

Posted by: unknown jane at August 11, 2009 09:25 PM (EpmMs)

My loins have been gridded since Nov 2 2008.

 

i always have to cool off and wait ten minutes before re-girding my loins

95 kbdabear, I've been trying to catch you on here.  Where did you get that copy of the health care bill you were reading over the weekend?

I'm particularly interested in that section where the government would order end of life plans (on those their politically appointed panel consider insufficiently productive in their new grand utopis).  Because that kind of sounds to me like an open declaration of war on all of us.

At least if you remember that Obama, after seizing control of GM and Chrysler, closed some of the most profitable car dealerships in the country just because they donated to his opponents.  And this past week he sent his goons to put citizens who disagreed with him in the hospital.  And his mentor Ayers openly planned to kill 25 million of us in the process of reeducation.  And he spent two decades in Jeremiah Wright's church listening to tales of how whitey invented AIDS to destroy the black community, and planning his revenge.

Or it could just be some dumbass staffer putting irresponsible language in the bill.  In either case, I'd like to read it myself before making any judgements, at least of that nature.

96

I can't believe you people...

"yeah it's a right, but don't excercise it when the left might make you look stupid"

 

The left tries to make the right look stupid every time they have an opinion. So why don't you all just shut up and sit down too. yelling and screaming isn't helping our cause. Take that first amandment and squeeze it up your asshole right next to the second amendment. Be sure to fold it up all wierd so it has lots of sharp corners first.

97

That you CAN do something does not imply that you SHOULD do that something?  Get it, stupid?

so i shouldn't stick my penis in an electric socket, because i can?

98 ;">Why so shell shocked?

99 Please stop shooting our side with lies from the left.

Obama was in DC when this guy was protesting miles away from the town hall.

100 One of these days I'll learn not to comment on a situation where the facts are in a state of flux. They obviously are, here.

101

 

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=911911
Little girl at Obama campaign rally!
Posted by: pam at August 11, 2009 09:27 PM (h8R9p)

102

You best watch who you're speaking to. Not only have I been labeled an Extreme Right Winger, I've also been told I'm threat to society. I'll torture you so long, you'll think it's a career.

Posted by: UncleFacts, Summoner of the Meteors at August 11, 2009 09:37 PM (vZVv7)

 

I'm all those things, just doing it under the radar- these morons haven't caught on to me

103

If a bus full of SEIU thugs rolled up into that church parking lot to kick the guys head in, I doubt too many folks on here would be saying carrying that gun was a bad idea.

104

 

The above comment was left in another thread. Pretty damn good stuff about the little girl-plant today at Obama's informercial.

105

I smell a stinky plant in both stories due to the timing, but my take on the story doesn't count -- the freaking msm spin does.  Frak!

Is having your loins "gridded" some new medical procedure under the health reform bill?  Sounds like something aliens do to you.  (I kid -- it's cool).

106 Uncle Jimbo should issue a correction and an apology.

This is really disgusting.

107

Imagine if a congressman was REQUIRED to show up at a townhall meeting, and EVERY SINGLE PERSON was armed.....I always see those cute little sayings : "An armed society is a polite society" 

 

I guess thats all just jokes.

 

I got to hear Donald Rumsfeld speak when I was in Irq in 2005. I had an M-16 under my seat and nobody seemed to care.....

108

I got to hear Donald Rumsfeld speak when I was in Irq in 2005. I had an M-16 under my seat and nobody seemed to care.....

 

no one cared because rumsfeld was wearing the body armor he stole from the soldiers to keep for himself

109

I got to hear Donald Rumsfeld speak when I was in Irq in 2005. I had an M-16 under my seat and nobody seemed to care.....

ha!

110 86 Let's not be too hard on this guy, though... wasn't he just practicing "the Chicago Way," as The One so magnificently put it?

"If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun" -- Barack Obama, June 13, 2008.

111 Added to the post.

Ok I'll update a bit in deference to the wishes of the moron mob. Sounds like he was 1/2 mile from Obama's event and 2 hrs prior to Obama's arrival. So? He was likely and begging to be seen and with his sign certain to get attention. Plant? maybe, but more likely just a Ron Paul voting dipshit. Does my disowning him make our team own him? Umm well...no, I kinda think the opposite. Whether he is an ex-Dem, or a libertarian douche, he is not on my team, thankfully.

Cordially,

Uncle J

112 This post jizzed in its pants.

113

 I got to hear Donald Rumsfeld speak when I was in Irq in 2005. I had an M-16 under my seat and nobody seemed to care.....

no one cared because rumsfeld was wearing the body armor he stole from the soldiers to keep for himself

No… the reason is that Rummy was speaking to the most honorable young men and ladies on the face of this earth and knew he had nothing to fear. He only became fearful when he returned to the US and was surrounded by cowardly cocksuckers like you….

114

I can't believe you people...

"yeah it's a right, but don't excercise it when the left might make you look stupid" 

The left tries to make the right look stupid every time they have an opinion. So why don't you all just shut up and sit down too. yelling and screaming isn't helping our cause. Take that first amandment and squeeze it up your asshole right next to the second amendment. Be sure to fold it up all wierd so it has lots of sharp corners first.

You also have a First Amendment right to show up to a rally screaming "Obama is a filthy n***er and I hope he gets lynched", but that does not imply it would be a good way to advance your cause.

It's not a difficult concept to understand.  He was carrying openly for the purpose of making a political statement, but in a very counterproductive manner.  Had he carried concealed, no one would've likely known and it wouldn't be an issue.

115 Oh, about that stolen election?  I got an update from Intrade (on the last bit of money I lost) about the FEC's official synopsis.  According to the FEC, all of 58% of eligible voters come out for the most important historic sparkling election evah.  McCain lost because he didn't give 40+% of America a good reason to show up.

I don't doubt ACORN cheated their asses off, but I don't think they put together the roughly 10 million vote margin Barry won by.  It's probably enough to remind people that they are under (still) investigation in a dozen sttes for fraudulant voting activities.

116

I paraphrase, I don't have all the facts but, I thinks its obvious, the police acted stupidly.  BO

Being as I don't want to pull a BO, I think I will wait for the full story.  Could be Stupid, could be a plant or it could be a none story.  I don't trust the MSM.

 

117 Uncle Jimbo, you and Allah must feel a little like Levi Johnson now.  Abused by the left.  Idiots.

118

 

But seriously, and more importantly, check out pam's link about that little moonbat phony and her douchebag mother Kathleen Hall.

119

everybody drink every time you hear wolf blitzer say, "that's the house version" [of the healthcare bill]
--

Take 2 drinks.  As Rush is so fond of pointing out, there is no other version of the bill.

As for the guy with the gun, I withhold judgement until hearing more about the circumstances.  The fact that he went on PMSNBC with Chrissy McTingles suggests he's a moby.  The fact that he wasn't anywhere near Obama and isn't in a deep, dark hole suggests he was no threat as far as the Secret Service was concerned. 

120 Posted by: Oneyedman at August 11, 2009 09:50 PM (A2uXF)

Dude, read the sockpuppet.

121 You knew the disinformation campaign was in full swing, and yet...

122 That you CAN do something does not imply that you SHOULD do that something?  Get it, stupid?

Don't bother Hollow. Too many real men of genius here can't understand the disctinction. You're just going to get called a RINO.

RAAWWWRR! MAH ANGER GOES TO !!!ELEVENTY!!!

123 Oooopps....Sorry about that. Never mind...

124 111,

Dude, half a mile? 2 hours earlier? and you say "So?" Then you add speculation?

So far it looks like this guy offered no threat to anyone, much less the POTUS.

Just what is your beef? Did this man violate the Law?

125

So he was far, far outside handgun range and 2 hours too early, while carrying a sign announcing his supposed intentions....what a crazy right-winger, we should all get locked up and disarmed for our own good, right?

126 I'm with you Jimbo.  Plutonium weapons grade dumbass.

127 Sounds like he was 1/2 mile from Obama's event and 2 hrs prior to Obama's arrival. So?

It makes a difference because it explains why he wasn't hauled away by the Secret Service.

He was likely and begging to be seen and with his sign certain to get attention.

He surely was.  It wasn't about protecting anybody.  He was holding a sign.

Plant? maybe, but more likely just a Ron Paul voting dipshit.

And I really don't consider them part of our side considering how much they and their svengali worked against us.

Does my disowning him make our team own him? Umm well...no, I kinda think the opposite.

Yep.

128 the people who know what is in this bill are going to keep showing up and speaking out.
they aren't giving the guy w/ the gun a second thought.
his antics mean nothing. he is not a priority for concern,
gov't euthanasia trumps him. that is still on the table.

129 This guy already has 2 facebook pages started on him.  With followers.  Amazing.

130 ALINSKY OBAMA RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

Can we stop falling for the oldest trick in the book, please.  It's embarrassing after a while.

131

The actual guy with the gun I find a bit of a non-story...it's the biased, self-serving spin the freaking media lapdogs are going to put on this (which be repeated ad nauseum by the retarded, gibbering moonbats and made into slogans to shout from the mountaintops by the lefties) that's the damn story.  Because you know they will.

As for the swastika thing -- Congressman was dear old Scott from Georgia; things that make you go "hmmm"?

132 Seriously, what's with the ear piece?

133 With something in the neighborhood of 50,000,000 gun owners in this country it's not surprising that the media can find one guy to use as their poster boy for scary gun toting hicks . Not mentioned , of course , are the 49,999,999 gun owners who showed  more mature judgement  today .

My conclusion , Chrissy is a partisan shit head .

134
The fact that the guy wasn't beat black and blue and disappeared for a week by the Secret Service is proof positive they didn't consider him a threat.

Neither should we. This is a non-story, move along.

135

According tot he comments om the Hot Air version of this story, the guy was not at the town hall. He was protesting with a sign on the property of a privately owned church "along the route" well before the event.

He was bearing openly in a holster.

He was nowhere near the president.

There is no record of him threatening or brandishing.

Union people recently beat someone up at a protest so protecting yourself is NOT a dumb idea.

MSNBC tried to get him arrested for openly carrying a gun he had the legal right to openly carry and they tried to indicate that his sign painted him as violent. The police said "no" as well they should

Posted by: Cack Finger at August 11, 2009 09:35 PM

=======================================

Yep.  NH is an OC state and the guy was not at the townhall meeting or even close by.  He was on private property. And MSNBC trying to change the law to suit them is the story here,  The reporter on the ground isn't being too idiotic but the reporter in the studio is the same idiot who claimed "socialist" was the new "n" word. 

136

There was another gun at a town hall incident in AZ today.

http://tinyurl.com/mxsq2f

I detect a faint odor of a false flag op.

 

137 Jimbo, perhaps the first sentence of your second paragraph, in the words of Lt Scott, should be rephrased.

You know, for clarity.

138 136



Dropped a gun in a meet & greet? Wtf, the guy go for a handshake and drop his piece out of his hand ?

 Bullshit.

139 I don't care if it was right, I don't think it was smart...

On the other hand,

If the Secret Service didn't have too much trouble with him, then I don't either.

YMMV.

140 I followed a Google search on his name to a link digging up info on him which lead to a myspace page that said he lives in Nevada...?

Looked like a "legit" Ron Paul supporter (i.e. not a moby).

Yeah he was a little stupid but as far as him being a complete ass for hurting our cause vis a vis the msm, sh*t if a homeowner shot a man with a ski mask crawling through his window they'd use that against us.  "How could you know his intentions?  Maybe he was lost?"

141 At least he didn't have a swastika on his sign.

142

"Sounds like he was 1/2 mile from Obama's event and 2 hrs prior to Obama's arrival."

OK, that changes it from a psycho to a protester afraid of getting his butt kicked by union thugs.

143

If you don't believe that your media and Government are working hand in hand to get nationalized healthcare passed, I don't know what will convince you.

144 Nothing illegal was done here people. MOVE ALONG.

Most of this is just an excuse to bash Ron Paul....of course Paul did cause the murder of millions of innocents in Iraq.

So I guess he's not a DUMBASS like some here..

145
At least he didn't have a swastika on his sign.


Thats because it wasn't a liberal protest. Plenty of swastikas at those.

146 I legally open carry quite often, but I wouldn't do that while holding that sign or near any politicians event.

Being a half mile away doesnt seem all that close though, but then the sign :/

147

Nothing illegal was done here people. MOVE ALONG.

Most of this is just an excuse to bash Ron Paul....of course Paul did cause the murder of millions of innocents in Iraq.

So I guess he's not a DUMBASS like some here..

Since when is an excuse required to bash the goofy Paultards?

148 Why do so many on the right dance to the tune of making liberals happy?  We're so eager to show them we're not racists, sexists, homophobes or wacko gun nuts.  It will never work.  You'll never convince them because they are not rational and not interested in truth.  That is why they are liberals.

I admit I didn't read the entire story so I don't know the specifics but with Obama's union goons now threatening those who don't agree with ObamaCare, I don't fault anyone for exercising their rights.  I do know it's against the law to carry near the President and I wouldn't have carried but I think conservatives need to stop trying to convince Chris Matthews we're OK guys.  Their opinion doesn't matter to me.

Angry White Dude

149 Bush murders millions of Iraqies, wiretaps Americans, and tortures innocent people for years on end.

And this blog bashes Ron Paul.

Kind of laughable.

150 Iraqis...typo.

151 millions , molly ? Ya' got a link for that horseshit ?

152 Molly,

Get your facts straight. Bush murdered billions of Iraqis.

With his mind.

153

The fact that the guy wasn't beat black and blue and disappeared for a week by the Secret Service is proof positive they didn't consider him a threat.

Neither should we. This is a non-story, move along.

It's not a question of whether he was a threat, or if Obama was nearby.  It's the combination of openly carrying while holding a sign that implies support for killing political leaders.  It's not the kind of message to be sending if you want yourself or your concerns being seen as credible and reasonable.

154 It going to happen again, and its been heading this way for months, so lets discuss some rules:

First, Psychologically pistols are "bad".  They project a poor "image".

If you need weapons as symbols to get media attention - bring rifles with wooden stocks, lever guns and old doubles are good -- leave your tricked out EBR at home. 

Second, Loners are weird - bring about 50 friends, a BBQ, and some bagpipes.

Third, Image is everything.

While we may appreciate the t-shirt, it scares some -- no plain white shirts, no Harley T's, either.  Collared shirt under one of those veteran's vest with campaign patches is the image, Boy Scout troop leader, etc. do not be consistent, and if it would look out of place in a Norman Rockwell painting leave it at home.

The dial just got turned up a notch, not by this Paulian - but by the media reaction to it.  Expect more to do the same, it might be better to give it some responsible organization then let the media paint an image.

155 George Bush = War criminal on the run

Paul = Statesman

156

Bush murders millions of Iraqies, wiretaps Americans, and tortures innocent people for years on end.

And this blog bashes Ron Paul.

Kind of laughable.

Considering that his followers are mainly comprised of delusional nutjobs such as yourself, you shouldn't be surprised.

P.S.  Ron Paul is a racist, conspiracy theorist kook.

157 and no stupid signs.  An American flag is all you need.  Let the Left make slogans and paper mache heads.

158 I've still never voted for a Democrat, but Bush permanently made me leave the GOP. Maybe if we ever get a Libertarian-ish candidate, I'll consider voting for the GOP again.

I don't think Obama is willing to have REAL torture investigations though because he wants to keep the country "united" so he can pass his new legislations. Too bad.

He seems like a disappointment already.

159 Kirchick likes to make stuff up about Ron Paul.

That's what leftists at the New Republican do though so don't be surprised.

160 When will Ron Paul and Buchanan just go away?

161 Buchanan is pretty good on foreign policy I think. He's not as good as Ron Paul on domestic though.

162

Get your facts straight. Bush murdered billions of Iraqis.

With his mind.
--

I'd heard that he split all their atoms with his mind, and the murdering part was just a unexpected bonus.  And then he took all the split atoms and reassembled them into all those chemical and biological weapons we found in Iraq.  Except that we didn't find anything in Iraq, and it was all a plot by Old Man Jenkins.

And that he would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for those meddling kids.

And that he killed puppies.  Though I may have misheard that one.  It might have been that he kissed puppies.  Either way, that's some freaky shit, there.

163 153


Anyone can imply anything they want. So far the MSM has implied we are all racists and Nazi's. I don't dispute it was in bad taste, I said he wasn't deemed a threat.

Nor should he be.

 Only two or three days ago on this very blog people were advocating carrying guns to Townhalls in case the SEIU thugs showed up.

164 Damn Jean , you'll take all the fun out of it .
My evil black rifle is so cool it'd make your average lefty piss themselves .
 I see your point though, so I'll bring my custom ought six with the thousand dollar highly figured walnut stock. Hell, truth be told the ought six is a far deadlier rifle , anyway.

165 Hey since you mention it- how's that Iraq war going? Last I checked the surge worked....aka we're still in Iraq, which was it's goal.

Obama is preparing a new "surge" for Afghanistan right now where he plans an additional 45,000 troops top bring the levels to almost the same as Iraq. N1 BO.

166 I though Ron Paul wanted to torture the Federal Reserve into giving up all of the secret Jewish bank accounts that fund the holocaust myth.  

I did not know he was against waterboarding terrorists.  That actually moves him down a notch in my eyes, and there is not much further down to go.

167

When will Ron Paul and Buchanan just go away?

Long after senility has set in, which is obvious considering they're still around.

168 Neoconservatives like to bash Ron Paul when they see an opportunity so this post is not a surprise.

We'll still be occupying Iraq and Afghanistan throwing money into the money pit and murdering innocents when BO leaves in 2012 so I bet so I suppose they'll get lots more chances.

169

 Buchanan is pretty good on foreign policy I think. He's not as good as Ron Paul on domestic though.

Yeah, those historical revisionists who make the case that Europe was just too mean to Hitler in not allowing him free reign to invade countries at will is exactly who I trust when it comes to foriegn policy.

170

152 -- I heard it was trillions...billions is so 2008.

171 Wow, I didn't think I would ever see this "Buchanan is pretty good on foreign policy I think."

Buchanan is a reactionary, isolationist who wants to roll the clock back to the 1910's.  While I agree Wilson and FDR did horrible damage to the Constitution; we are now a global power with responsibilities, commitments, and critical interests that cannot be ignored as we slide back into a pastoral life with a majority of the population living in rural communities. 

Buchanan would be better off writing alternate history books.

172

152 -- I heard it was trillions...billions is so 2008.
--

No, Bush murdered trillions of Iraqis once the surge started.  Now he's murdering bazillions of Iraqis from his secret underground lair, where the country is secretly being run since he led the successful secret coup of the United States, and just keeps Obama as a front man so people won't catch on.

While killing puppies.

173 Hollowpoint,

I haven't read his the "Unnecessary War" (churchhill's words not his) but I bet it's good.

I think there is merit to the argument that our interventionism into WW1 helped create the rise of German Nationalism in response to the treaty of Versailles.

The argument for noninterventionism is a good one.

Plus shortly after the war, Stalin ordered 6 million Ukrainians to be killed. mao zedong killed maybe 100 million during his rise to power afterwards, and the WW2 itself killed 50 million. So final outcome was pretty bad, and there's no reason not to think things could have been done better.

But Iraq is a fake war regardless that has no actual purpose so comparing it to WW2 is a joke.

174 Notice how close to a hardcore leftist the Paulian on this thread sounds?

175 Molly, we are still in Korea, Japan, and Germany.  We just pulled out of Subic -- that dates back to the Spanish-American War.

Of course we will still be there in 2012, and it has nothing to do with political philosophy and everything to do with reality. 

176 >> throwing money into the money pit

Throwing money into a pit is an American tradition, Molly.

177

If I may steal a line from that frog dude from youtube:

Guns don't kill people

I KILL PEOPLE

 The tool was a tool and to answer the earlier question, it looked like a glock 22

178 I heard it was trillions of Iraqi's murdered, but then again maybe I shouldn't trust everything Nancy Pelosi says.

Seriously, Molly, what do you hope to accomplish here?  We have palin steele for laughs and poon, erg, and Adrian Lima to abuse when the need arises.  You Paulbots lost the last of your relevance when that girl carved her face up in a mirror and tried to get attention for it.

179 sorry unknown jane, I need to type faster.

180 Yeah, Soap, it's almost like the whole Ron Paul movement is a false flag operation run out of the DNC.

181

Plus shortly after the war, Stalin ordered 6 million Ukrainians to be killed. mao zedong killed maybe 100 million during his rise to power afterwards, and the WW2 itself killed 50 million. So final outcome was pretty bad, and there's no reason not to think things could have been done better.

Perhaps you forgot to mention the 6 million murdered by Hitler- the guy Buchanan thinks we should not have opposed, but rather appeased.  However better things could have been done, allowing Hitler to control Europe isn't one of those things.

182

Holy shit!!  A paulbot! Yes, a better breed of troll.

Molly, baby, pumpkin, a question for you.  If a foreign military force attempted to sink one of our ships or tried to shoot down some of our planes, would that be an act of war?

also ' Let the Left make slogans and paper mache heads.'  Ummm, I kind of liked those.

183
Notice how close to a hardcore leftist the Paulian on this thread sounds?


A-L ? When it all calls us a bunch of traitors for supporting Israel or race traitors for hatin' on the white man, only then will we know for certain.

184

Throwing money into a pit is an American tradition, Molly.

In Ron Paul's world, there is no money.  Only gold.  And throwing gold can cause injury.  Therefore, Ron Paul is a violent, crazy old man.

185 149 Bush murders millions of Iraqies, wiretaps Americans, and tortures innocent people for years on end.

And this blog bashes Ron Paul.

Kind of laughable.

Posted by: Molly at August 11, 2009 10:23 PM (DVxo3)

As to which side the Paultards are on, note that this one started out bashing Bush.  He ain't president no more.  You'd think the principled Libertarians would bash the guy in office.  I don't think they mind him too much.

Looks like we tripped somebody's RSS reader.

186 Hey Molly, How about this for better, FDR could have thrown open the door for a mass immigration of European Jewry in 1939, that would have made things better -- somehow I doubt that would have been in Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan's playbook.

187 This site works in RSS?

188

Much ado about nothing.

The right of the people to keep and BEAR arms, shall NOT be infringed!

189 When it all calls us a bunch of traitors for supporting Israel

How is Israel doing during these dark (Obama) times?

Is it still there?

Haven't heard anything lately.

190 How is Israel doing during these dark (Obama) times?

Is it still there?

Haven't heard anything lately.



They're doing just fine poon without the help of you liberals. They got through the anti-semite Carter in one piece, they'll get through Hussein too.

They only need to last for three and a half more years.

191

174 Notice how close to a hardcore leftist the Paulian on this thread sounds?

I've been noticing that about them since about 2006.

192 First Amendment and Second Amendment rights are not mutually exclusive.

193 navycopjoe,


NOPe...remember Vietnam? One of our states could get hit be a nuclear bomb, and I STILL wouldn't trust the Federal Government to respond correctly. They'd FUCK IT UP right away.

Better to defund the military and break it into pieces force the National Guard to absorb.

That way the president doesn't get a standing army either so he can't do any damage to us.

194 This brain-dead dipshit set the 2nd amendment rights back 10 years. You do not get within 10 miles of the President of the United States with a loaded firearm, and for good reason.
The Secret Service should have cuffed and stuffed that guy.

195

Soap, and at 193 we seel the other common failing of the Paulista. Making the perfect the enemy of the good.

They also seem to suffer from some delusion that we can reverse course from the decades of creeping statism overnight.

What is most frustrating is that there could be much common ground with them as we have many of the same goals. But they listen to reason no better than the moonbat left.

196 We should defund the secret service too. They seem to fall under the category of a standing army. IRS fits under that too pretty easily.

197

194 The Secret Service should have cuffed and stuffed that guy.

And the fact they didn't should make you say hmmmm.

I know the SS clears the upper floors of tall buildings in a half mile radius any time the POTUS speaks outside. The fact this guy is free and on the MSM means either he was no threat or he was a real life moby.

198

193, hmmm, thank you for the honest answer, if I may retort?

Although I absolutely disagree with the nuke thing, I must move on.

Ron Paul believes in the strict interpretation of the Constitution and that states that there will be a standing military with the President to act as the Commander in Chief to act to protect the interests and defense of the United States.  With that being said, would you rather have one military or 50 since if they were national guard they would be controlled by all the governors. (by the way, if a nuke went off, that governor could then retaliate, right?

199 Actually, the secret service is an arm of law enforcement.  Want to get rid of all federal cops too?

200

138 Dropped a gun in a meet & greet? Wtf, the guy go for a handshake and drop his piece out of his hand ?

 Bullshit.

OK, picking this back up as the Paulista bores me.

I agree with you. I have CCW regularly since 1992 and have dropped my gun once. It slipped out of my coat pocket as I was bending over to pick up an engine block I had just hosed down at a car was.

I was alone. It was the middle of the night.

201 navycopjoe,

What Paul believes and I believe are entirely different though, but we may as well discuss his views. I've seen him reference his dislike of standing armies in campaign speeches although not very often. It wasn't his main theme.

Also, we could have congress declare war, and then the president would have to draw up militias...namely states with their own armies that he has no control over until there was an actual war.

ps- Many of the founding fathers opposed allowing the president to have a standing army...as do I.





""There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:323

"I do not like [in the new Federal Constitution] the omission of a Bill of Rights providing clearly and without the aid of sophisms for... protection against standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. ME 6:387

"Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace for [defense against invasion]." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:334

"Standing armies [are] inconsistent with [a people's] freedom and subversive of their quiet." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Lord North's Proposition, 1775. Papers 1:231

"The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force." --Thomas Jefferson to Chandler Price, 1807. ME 11:160

"A distinction between the civil and military [is one] which it would be for the good of the whole to obliterate as soon as possible." --Thomas Jefferson: Answers to de Meusnier Questions, 1786. ME 17:90

"It is nonsense to talk of regulars. They are not to be had among a people so easy and happy at home as ours. We might as well rely on calling down an army of angels from heaven." --Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1814. ME 14:207

"There shall be no standing army but in time of actual war." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776. Papers 1:363

"The Greeks and Romans had no standing armies, yet they defended themselves. The Greeks by their laws, and the Romans by the spirit of their people, took care to put into the hands of their rulers no such engine of oppression as a standing army. Their system was to make every man a soldier and oblige him to repair to the standard of his country whenever that was reared. This made them invincible; and the same remedy will make us so." --Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1814. ME 14:184

"Bonaparte... transferred the destinies of the republic from the civil to the military arm. Some will use this as a lesson against the practicability of republican government. I read it as a lesson against the danger of standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Adams, 1800. ME 10:154"

202 navycopjoe,

uhhh...of course. Actually there is not one piece of the Federal Governments worth keeping.

203

199, Actually there are a few fed agencies I'd love to see lose their armed forces: ATF, EPA, DOE come to mind.

FBI should go back to the basic g-men in suits. The HRT needs to be disbanded.

But they will have to shrink even more slowly than they have grown. I'm not sure why so many libertarians can't see that.

204

The fact this guy is free and on the MSM means either he was no threat or he was a real life moby.

Even if he were a moby, they would have taken him in for questioning if he were close to a threat.  The Secret Service doesn't fool around.  He must have been pretty far from the event.  He did seem to know exactly how much he could get away with.

205 Bush murders millions of Iraqies,
...
But Iraq is a fake war regardless that has no actual purpose

I'm so confused!!! He murdered millions of Iraqis in a fake war???

206 Iraq is a fake war as in it's an occupation not a war. Second it's fake because there is no actual reason to be there. Third it's fake because the evidence was hyped to get us into it.

FAKE

207

While I can certainly understand your discomfort with a standing army, and what the dangers of having a professional, standing army are -- do you realize with the realities of the day being what they are, just the what the dangers of not having one is?

And this "murdering and torturing innocents" spiel -- yeah, I saw a lot of that.  I saw a whole bunch of that on a certain day in September...about 8 years ago I think it was?

208 But the waterboarding of kittens was just awful (they tried to waterboard sea kittens too, but it didn't work out too well).

209 unknown jane,

Well if you're not outraged at the Bush administration, it's because you weren't paying attention. I suggest antiwar radio. Scott Horton was the foreign policy advisor to libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik in 2004. He does a good job documenting the Bush-crimes. Or if you want a good leftist on it, I kind of like glen greenwald's podcast.

Neither of them particularly like Obama either although maybe Greenwald likes him a bit.

210 Molly is absolutely right about the fake war.  There are no US troops in Iraq, they were thrown back at the border by our excellent Hammurabi Division.

211 Wow.  Spam FAIL.

212 Or if you want a good leftist on it, I kind of like glen greenwald's podcast.

And Molly outs herself.  What exactly is a 'good' leftist, and why would anyone here waste their time listening to such a creature?

213 Obviously a plant from the left. 

Astroturfing to the 3rd power.

Follow the money; My bet is that this guy took money from Soros in some fashion.

214 Obviously, you so-called conservatives know nothing of the free state project, and what true patriots have been doing in NH.  Open carry during protest is nothing new in NH.  If only more conservatives had the balls to exercise their rights, rather than cowering before your liberal masters.

There's not a doubt in my mind that many of you on this list would have criticized the founding fathers for being too inflammatory in their rhetoric and actions.  You guys are never going to have freedom if you don't shake off this slave mentality. 

Cowards. 

215 A good leftist is someone who focuses about civil liberties, doesn't cheer lead Obama, wants to limit executive branch power, and respects the constitution (no wiretapping etc)

I like Greenwald because he used to work as a civil liberties lawyer. None of his stuff is about expanding government programs and cheerleading Obama. Horton tends to focus a lot on civil liberties too so he's also good. Different sites for different subjects though.

216 I like Ron Paul. I take offense to anyone that personally attacks his supporters. As though, you cockholster, possess the only opinion that matters.

Let me muster up a very polite...Fuck You.

217

Sorry for the delayed retort but i'm watching pulp fiction while awaiting our storm to destroy my island

Um, from what i see, only thomas jefferson was against a standing army.

The congress does declare war and the president runs it as it should be.  but more important, congress has the real power over the military: THE FUNDING, they say no and guess what, no fighting.  As far as departments go, lets get rid of education first, send the money to the kids, not to administrators.  Also, the constitution calls for a standing army for defense and the cic's primary job is to defend our country.

i was in the gulf a bunch of years ago doing mine duty about 20 miles from the iraqi coast on a navy destroyer.  guess what happened?  saddam was prepping war shots at us, actually took a shot (silkworm missles) he was shooting at our planes every single day.  he was in direct violation of the UN sanctions after the first gulf war and it made it perfectly legal to continue military action against him.

to add to the nuke us and nothing because you don't trust the government i think is suicidal.  let me put this last point in caps please.

IF ANYONE, GROUP, OUR COUNTRY USES A NUCLEAR WEAPON ON US SOIL, I HOPE TO GOD THAT THE PRESIDENT ORDERED A FULL RETALITORY STRIKE AND TURNS THEM AND WHOEVER GAVE THEM THE MEANS TO USE IT INTO A RADIOACTIVE HELLHOLE WITH THE QUICKNESS.

we are the United States. we are the superpower, no doubt and no fucking apologies.

fini

retort?

218 Baghdad Bob,

Actually...ya I think Ron Paul supporters haven a lot in common with the left and the right. I voted for Chuck Baldwin as a protest vote. Hopefully we'll get a better Libertarian candidate in 2012 than Bob Barr.

"Where the extreme left and the extreme right meet, you'll find Ron Paul," said Merle Black, an Emory University political scientist and co-author of the book "Divided America."
"He strikes a chord with some segments of the population," especially with his quixotic, uncompromising style, Black said.

219 Obviously a plant from the left.

Looks like the right has discovered the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

" Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the 'Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again.' Hamish is shocked and declares that 'No Scotsman would do such a  thing.'"

 The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "/No true Scotsman would do such a thing.'"
—Antony Flew, Thinking about Thinking (1975)

220 Oh, sorry Molly, my family and I were/are those evil, bloodthirsty professional centurions who make their living off of war and all that good shit.  We're cute, fuzzy puppy killers (in our spare time, when we're not slaughtering trillions of Iraqis for our Dark Lord Cheney).

221 I'm not sure if the Constitution really "mandates a standing army" although we really didn't have one of those until Wilson and then FDR got in.

I already said though that my beliefs and Ron Paul's beliefs are different. I only like the parts of the constitution that restrict government power. Even the Articles of the Confederation was a better document. Anything that allows a standing army for the central government should be done away with.

222

another ting, i keep hearing about bush's war crimes.

the sitting president right now is in direct violation of the constitution by appointing czars, he is in direct violation of the law he introduced by firing a counsel investigating fraud, he is breaking not one but two laws with his snitch program.

where's the outrage?  where's the calls for impeachment from the paul supporters?  are you so blind with hate for bush you are giving up your civil liberties without noticing?

223 unknown jane,

ahh ok. Well sorry if I offended you, but orders come from the top down not from me. As Lew says...you have to learn toshout for the state.

224 damn, my spelling sucks tonight, maybe i need a lace wig?

225

and who was i harassing with the the concerned christian republican thingy?

i blame the ont crowd.

226 navycopjoe,

Obama is no good, but he hasn't attacked any new countries and he's supposedly stopping Bush's torture programs. Of course Hillary just created over a 1 million new refugees with her meddling in Pakistan.

I didn't vote for him though....had he pledged an IMMEDIATE withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan well then I would have been seriously tempted, but as it is, I don't think any policies will change. We just get bigger government.

227 And I back up what Navyjoe said -- Saddam was in violation of the UN sanctions, and on more than one count.  That we should have blasted his butt in round 1 and thus avoided round 2 is my only heavy criticism (it would have left my kids out of it and been my husband and I, which I would have preferred, would have saved some of those innocent Iraqis y'all like to wring your hands over too, but that's not the way it broke -- thank you very freaking un-much NATO and all the panywaist, pacificist crybabies back home).

228

That we should have blasted his butt in round 1 and thus avoided round 2 is my only heavy criticism

Yep, a big thank a fucking lot to General Powell.

Bush's torture programs

Please, you read prison planet too much.  Educate me, what torture programs, and yes, i know he waterboarded three senior terrorists.

229 unknown jane,
Well good thing the United Nations was really gung-ho about enforcing its resolutions!

Actually I blame Clinton. The UN made a deal with Saddam that as long as he complied with Weapons inspections that eventually he would get his sovereignty back. So he did. Then the date came when the Weapons inspections would end finally came, and just before it Clinton changed the terms of the arrangement instead making it so Saddam had to have weapons inspectors indefinitely with no reward for compliance....hence he stopped complying.

Clinton wanted to prevent criticism from the neoconservatives (Newt Gingrich et al) in congress at the time. Good job Bill.

230 Prison Planet. LOL!

231 also, who killed the most iraqis? us or the terrorists we are fighting over there?

232

Molly, you need to clear out your head -- he isn't stopping any torture programs (which trust me, the evil Booosh was hardly giving a green light to what could really be described as true torture -- granted, listening to the Barney song over and over again is pretty hard to take, but sure beats getting battery wires shoved up your pee pee or your fingernails ripped out).  And the folks that were waterboarded weren't choir boys, uhmkay?

God, I can't believe I'm having this arguement with another sheep again.

And you don't just "withdraw", just like that, from a country dear sweet Molly -- the logistics makes it impossible for one thing, and for another you can't in order to minimize the resultant vacumn which could trigger all kinda bad stuff...like killing a trillion more of those Iraqis due to civil strife (but I guess that would be ok for folks like you huh?)

As for the implications of a standing army -- in the high tech world we live in, not having a standing army could be fatal to a country's future.  We're not back in the days of sailing ships, but mustering a militia and training it to be ready to engage still takes time.  Time we no longer can afford.  Trust me, one of the reasons why we had the casualty numbers we did in WWs I and II was due to the need to call up so many raw recruits in a draft and train them rather quickly.  But hey, if you'd like to see young Americans get slaughtered at an even higher rate to appease your sensiblities....

233

 The UN made a deal with Saddam that as long as he complied with Weapons inspections

thats not true, he was constantly denying the inspectors full access to most sights and on several occassions threw them out of the country, ex: the cause of operation desert fox in 1998 (yeah, we got 44 warshots off on that one, good clean fun)

234 Sorry I'm not a "truther" or a "birther."

Although thinking of the Federal Government as an "Evil Empire" is a pretty good framework for all political matters so then again...

Whatever they're trying to do...OPPOSE IT!

235 236- I can't recall the dates off the top of my head but this was before 1998.

At one point the weapons inspections were actually supposed to end. Clinton changed the terms to they will never end because of the "that's good for him politically" policy.

236

And you don't just "withdraw", just like that, from a country dear sweet Molly

actually, according to the Geneva Convention, you have to stay there for security purposes until such time as the country is stable both security and infrastructure wise, so bush was doing the right thing again.

i agree with the last post too, the reason we have the most powerful military in the history of the world is due to our training and only a standing army can achieve that.  since they are all volunteers, the morale and depth of willingness is high.

237 Another good question for our "good leftist" might be -- who killed more Iraqis, us or Saddam?

238

Clinton changed the terms to they will never end because of the "that's good for him politically" policy

thats not true, clinton did not have that power, the UN did, it was their sanctions.

239 molly, have you ever been to the middle east? anywhere besides the US?  just wondering

240 No, you're a Prison Planet-er. 

241 what branch jane?  i'm guessing army

242

Probably not NCJ -- but I heard she stayed at a Middle Eastern theme Holiday Inn Express once.

But back to the topic -- yes, looks like this fellow was not seen as much of a threat and was well within his rights (which is good to know, as the "bad leftists" on my local rag's site have already begun riding in on their drama llamas over this) -- still, it was a foolish thing to do (because of the drama llama riders, riding out with the new meme for today).

243 Oh hell's no Joe -- I was a Marine.  My husband was Army (2nd Ranger) and my kids are Army (so far, I have dibs on a couple of the younger ones though; made my husband promise not to desecrate all of them -- Semper Fi)

244

i agree, he wanted his big in-your-face moment, the sign showed it.

Not what we need to help stop obama care

back to pulp fiction for a while

bye jane and molly

245 navycopjoe,

241- Well I was too young to vividly recall all the details of that. Not that I wasn't old enough to understand it, but I wasn't paying close enough attention during that era. I was listening to Scott Horton talk about it 6 months or so ago, and I believe Clinton influenced the U.N. to change their terms...I could be wrong. He was under massive pressure from the neoconservative right and the GOP who liked to use national security as a way to score points.

Yep, I've been in Southeast Asia for 6 months. I've been in South America for about the same length of time. Beyond that I'm not particularly well traveled but some.

246

hmmm, not enough swearing for a marine, must be how i was confused

have a good one jane

247 I yes....here we go

The year was 1997
It was March 1997. For six years the UN inspectors had been probing the secrets of Saddam's weapons programmes, in the process destroying huge quantities of chemical munitions and other production facilities. To enforce Saddam's cooperation, Iraq was subject to crushing sanctions.
Now, Rolf Ekeus, the urbane Swedish
diplomat who headed the inspection effort, was ready to announce that his work was almost done. "I was getting close to certifying that Iraq was in compliance with Resolution 687," he confirmed to me recently.
At the time, he declared that although there were some loose ends to be cleared up, "not much is unknown about Iraq's retained proscribed weapons capabilities."
For the Clinton administration, this was a crisis. If Ekeus was allowed to complete his mission, then the suspension of sanctions would follow almost automatically.
Saddam would be off the hook and, more
importantly for the Clintonites, the neo-conservative republicans would be howling for the president's blood.

248

last post,

see molly, i lived that era, i was boots on ground for desert storm and iraqi freedom, and have done 4 westpacs which had me in the gulf each time.

i saw it with my own eyes and trust me, we did the right thing yet in my opinion ten years late.

i also lived in italy for 5 years and saw how the europeans live.

you are an american with the ultimate freedoms.  be proud of that and always remember those freedoms are defended by the men and women in uniform.

stay pissed though and read all forums, knowledge is power and it sounds like you have the passion but lack the experience.  you'll do good i think down the line.

249 The sign makes it pretty clear that he was threatening to kill bad government.  I don't even really mind the sentiment, because it's historical and a good warning of what we need to avoid by stopping excesses now, through speech alone.

The gun takes his argument to the next level. 

If he didn't know what the obvious meaning was, then he's too stupid to have a gun or a sign or be in public at all.  Responsibility is important.

He didn't go to Obama's meeting, thank god, but he wanted to be seen and to scare people.  That's lame.  No idea if he's a Ron Paul idiot or a GOP idiot.  Doesn't really matter.  Plenty if liberals wanted to kill Bush.  It just isn't relevant to the arguments.  I hope the press is smart enough not to feed this story.  It would be awful is someone took a shot at Obama.

250 Mark Sanford was the only republican to vote with Ron Paul against the 1998 office policy of regime change in Iraq firmly taking a stance against the neoconservative movement that had infected the GOP during the Reagan years.

I might have actually voted for him 2012....too bad he went to Argentina!

Garry Johnson is the last acceptable "mainstream republican" right now, and he's not bat shit crazy like Rudy Guiliani so I doubt he has much chance.

O well maybe Paul will give it another go.

251

I try to keep my language a bit clean on the internet, but don't worry I can bring it when I feel the need arise (I try to exhibit some self control, even with knuckle dragging, mouth breathing fucksticks who are about as useful as a stale barrel of monkey spunk, and whose lies run faster, thicker, and hotter than two rats fucking in a sack -- better?)

Good night Joe, enjoy the rest of your show.

252 "You do not get within 10 miles of the President of the United States with a loaded firearm, and for good reason."

I was well within range of the Prez, VP, Senators, and many others often, with a locked and loaded firearm.

Of coures, I was also in Iraq.  Got pics shaking hands with Rummy wearing a sidearm.  Loaded.

HOWEVER, go look at pics of PBO in Iraq- not a SINGLE weapon, not even a KNIFE, to be seen anywhere.

Know the difference???

Wolf

253

Next thing you know, it'll be against the law to carry a firearm while you're thinking about Barry.

I mean, think of how evil that is, gosh darnit!

254 Molly, your sources on the history of the inter-war years in Iraq are completely wrong. 

I worked on both the political and Pentagon side of the issue throughout the 90's; Saddam violated his ceasefire agreement repeatedly on WMD and every other issue.  The decisions relating to Saddam were not wholly related to WMD, but to his non-compliance on other terms as well.

255 Jean,

Ya he started violated the U.N. weapon inspectors AFTER Clinton changed the terms in 1997.

Second off who cares what the U.N. thinks.

Third- does that justify Bush's shock n' Awe terror campaign in Iraq anyway? no of course not.

256 btw- If BO doesn't like New Hampshire's laws, maybe he shouldn't go to New Hampshire.

257

The gun-waver will be portrayed as a "typical" anti-O, anti-healthcare, anti-Dem protestor, and as a result, those who protest against the erosion of America will be tarred with his brush.  That's the MSM way and it has been for decades.  It's been underway for the last few weeks.  Tar them all!

Target the advertisers.  Say you won't buy anything advertised during a football game as long as Keith Olberman is there.  Say you won't buy anything advertised when Katie Couric, Anderson Cooper, et al, et al, are on the air.

They will continue to portray anything anti-Obama as horrific fringe stuff until the advertisers feel the sting.  Be polite but mean it, and do it.

Money, and the lack of money, are the only things the Left understands.  Without money, they die. 

258 i will admit he had a nice looking gun, anyone know what is was. I thought it was a Glock M&P .40,(( BBBZZZZZZ!!!!! Wrong, try again, oh non gun type person: the Glock .40 is the G22, G23 0r G27. The M&P is made by Smith and Wesson and is not a Glock product. And you ought to learn enough about all available firearms in the fine country to instantly ID one even if you saw)) but it was only fleetingly on screen

Posted by: Ben at August 11, 2009 09:17 PM (f0I0I)

FIFY, Ben-ino Aquino. Enjoy.

259 With all due respect to everyone's opinion, the only thing I could offer here would be a bit of possible defense for this guy's lack of good judgment.  I was watching MSNBC around 330 (no choice, was in the dentist's office and had no choice).  The 2 asshats that hosted the show were talking about the gun guy with a reporter from the Washington Examiner and a tool from HuffPo.  The 2 MSNBC'ers were going on about how the gun brought an air of "intimidation" to the protests, and the Examiner guy had to remind them who the actual intimidators had been so far in the town hall disruptions.  The gun guy's sign was a good one, and I admire his cajones for the sign.  The gun, in my mind, was to keep the SEIU thugs away.

260 Um,

The local police tell MSNBC that the man is legally carrying the gun, is nowhere near where the President will be, and is "under constant surveillance."

261 I applaud this guy.  This meeting was not in Chicago or DC - it was in New Hampshire.  Remember the nationwide ccw debate?  All the libs screamed about states being able to decide for themselves.  Well, NH did.

If this made Obama uncomfortable, so what.  Maybe he should stay in his home environs.

Whats next - disarm us when he come on tv?

262 Not to worry, Uncle Jimbo. I'm sure the state run media will never, ever, attempt to attach this dipship to conservatives and fans of the second amendment.

263 Maybe he was really a plant to make the protesters look bad?  Look at how the MSM and the dems are trying to characterize us as un American- first the SEIU thugs beating people up, now this clown?  Something does not smell kosher here

264 http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/32789.html
Jimbo, Karen DeCoster pwns your balls.

265 258 Molly

Ya he started violated the U.N. weapon inspectors AFTER Clinton changed the terms in 1997.

No, he started cheating they day they were imposed.  Remember he was prescribed under two regimes, the ceasefire and UN Security Council resolutions.  He violated both.

Second off who cares what the U.N. thinks.

No one cared about the UN, nor the majority of the Euro's -- they were all tainted by the corruption of the oil voucher program and commercial interests in Iraq prior to that getting started.

Third- does that justify Bush's shock n' Awe terror campaign in Iraq anyway? no of course not.

Shock 'n Awe didn't happen if you didn't notice.  The planned massive strike got postponed then dropped as excessive.  What happened was a series of precision strikes to cripple communications and force the Saddam regime into a reactive, turtle mode.  The US bombing campaign was smaller then predicted because all of the advanced weapons actually worked - the planners did not assume that (btw - w/o a standing Army how would R Paul maintain our tech edge?).  I hate to use wikipedia as a source - but it is a nice summary.  The running start, led to regime collaspe - shock and awe got shelved.  Have you been to Baghdad -- doesn't look like Desden does it?

266 Hell nobody got close to the bam that wasn't bussed in so what is the problem obeying the law standing in a parking lot a block away? Ok death threats are four times as much as other POTUS's but then again this guy works at being a pain in the arse.

267 Just because this d-bag isn't on our team won't stop the media from linking him to us. What an ass.

268

Let us hope and pray to whomever it is you pray to that nothing happens to The Obamunist.  I mean NOTHING.  I hope he doesn't even get a case of the hiccups or stubs his toe playing basketball.

 

If some complete and total arse-wipe does something, it would be catastrophe.  The left would re-make The Obamunuist in such a way, they would assign things to him, they would build altars, erect statues, name schools, and credit him with things that he doesn't even know exist.  The left would probably have him signing the Declaration of Independence after a few years of propaganda.

 

It has been said more than once that if JFK came back to life, the left would have to kill him all over again.

 

God save Obama.  He's the best thing to happen to Conservatism since Ronald Reagan.

269 The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
Why the hell does everyone automatically assume this guy thinks Obama is a tyrant that should be shot?  Maybe he is trying to be a patriot by defending his rights, even at the most inconvenient times.  Anyone can talk the talk, but it takes real balls to walk the walk without compromise.

270 The man was exercising his right to open carry in NH, and had a Jefferson quote displayed. Big Freaking deal. The rest of the US is not like NYC, Chicago, or Commifornia.

He never got close enough to the President to run afoul of a weapons search, probably because he knew the SS folks would disarm him if he actually attended the "town hall" meeting.



His only real mistake was agreeing to talk to Chris Mathews and become part of his dog and pony show. Now that was weapons grade stupid.

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I had speculated this guy might have been doing a false flag op.

David Codrea whose fact checking is very good says no: http://tinyurl.com/qx9csz

So, since he's not in SS custody I'll assume he was in the right but agree that his move was strategically unwise.

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