Smokin' Video on Obama's Trojan Horse

The compelling part of this, to me, isn't Obama's or Jan Shakowsky's statements that public option will lead to single payer. We've heard that. The compelling part is that Jacob Hacker, the man who "shopped" this plan to Congress (according to NPR), states unambiguously that his plan -- and he should know -- is expressly designed to displace private insurance.

"It's not a Trojan Horse," he says, "because it's right there!" I.e., it can't be a Trojan Horse if it's so obvious about its purpose.

Michael Barrone discusses the vid:

Hacker (formerly at Yale, now at Berkeley) sounds friendly and cheerful in appearances recorded in January 2007 and July 2008. With a government-option plan, he says in 2007, “You can at least make the claim that there’s a competitive system between the public and the private sector,” but he predicts that the government option “would eliminate the small group insurance.” [emphasis added]
Speaking of the government option in 2008, he says, “Someone told me this was a Trojan horse for single-payer. Well, it’s not a Trojan horse, right? It’s just right there. I’m telling you. We’re going to get there, over time, slowly, but we’ll move away from reliance on employer-based health insurance as we should, but we’ll do it in a way that we’re not going to frighten people into thinking they’re going to lose their private insurance. We’re going to give them a choice of public and private insurance when they’re in the pool, and we’re going to let them keep their private employer-based insurance if their employer continues to provide it.”

If the designer of the plan states that it's perfectly obvious to anyone that this is intended to take us to single-payer, and the plan's proponents claim the same, how on earth can Obama deny it? He himself has endorsed the idea of using this too-obvious-to-be-a-Trojan-Horse scheme to "eliminate" employer coverage.

Why does no one in the media ask a very obvious question: If Obama has no intention on taking us (without our consent) to single-payer, why is he insistent on a plan designed utterly for that single purpose?

And if he's changed his opinion or something on single payer, isn't it funny that he's pushing a plan expressly designed to get us to single payer without an actual vote or citizen consent on the plan.

Isn't. That. Funny.

"Let's have an honest debate," Obama says. "We can at least agree on that."

Well, some of us agree on that. How about you, Sport?

Posted by: Ace at 10:21 AM

Comments

1 Dammit Ace, not even 9:30 and the Outrage tanks are already empty. Got any good news?

Posted by: Dang Straights at August 10, 2009 10:26 AM (Haq+B)

2 "we’re going to let them keep"

Who the frick do they think they are?

Typical do-gooder control freak crap.

There is no middle ground. You either live free or you are cattle.

Make up your mind, Americans.

Posted by: eman at August 10, 2009 10:27 AM (5jD+A)

3 "Honest debate" doesn't mean the same thing to a Chicago politician that it means to the rest of us. I think what Pelosi and Hoyer pushed in USA Today, which is a form of "STFD and STFU, you unwashed peasants!", is what he has in mind.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2009 10:27 AM (Uj4rV)

4 Ace there is a video of Tapper asking Gibbs point blank about his statements in 2003 and if the President still wanted single payer. Gibbes refused to answer the question and started sputtering a non answer for 30 seconds. The rest of the media is sitting on their hands hoping the American people do not see this shit, they want the same goals. Fuck em all.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at August 10, 2009 10:28 AM (NM1Nu)

5 Proof irrefutable that the Democrats are trying to pull a fast one with Obamacare but Nancy Pelosi informs us that asking questions and having a problem with that is un-American. Make that un-Communist, Pelosi, you mummified liar.

Posted by: Crusty at August 10, 2009 10:30 AM (GvSpB)

6 Why does no one in the media ask a very obvious question:...

C'mon, Ace -- You're being rhetorical, right? You know very well the reason why.

Posted by: Capt. Numbstick at August 10, 2009 10:30 AM (voIlD)

7 Wow, "this is not a principaled fight, this is a fight about strategy for getting there..."--Jan Shakowsky couldn't have said it any better. And how about "The agenda for Shared Prosperity". Oh and mighty half white of Obama to give us 10-20 years before all private insurance is eliminated. These smug, evil douchebags need to be stopped. I am feeling very pessimistic and think that the Democrats are going to ram this debacle through, but we need to go down fighting (I am so proud of the Americans who are standing up to this crap). This is the final line in the sand.

Posted by: runningrn at August 10, 2009 10:33 AM (D2il9)

8 Someday soon, the Chinese will turn on their tv's and see Ace in the middle of the road in front of the Capitol. Wonder if they'll support our pro-democracy movement?

Posted by: Regular in Anon Mode at August 10, 2009 10:34 AM (8XI4A)

9 I'm so glad we fought to keep that Palin chick out of the White House.

Posted by: wHodat at August 10, 2009 10:35 AM (+sBB4)

10 8 Someday soon, the Chinese will turn on their tv's and see Ace in the middle of the road in front of the Capitol. Wonder if they'll support our pro-democracy movement?

You forgot to photoshop in the bottle of Val-U-Rite and a pile of dead hobos fashioned into a wall, a la 300.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 10, 2009 10:36 AM (Uj4rV)

11 Jacob Hacker's plan sounds fishy.. someone should report him.

Posted by: Dave C, WINO, Whig In Name Only at August 10, 2009 10:36 AM (La0Tt)

12 ace has hobo blood on his hands

Posted by: wHodat at August 10, 2009 10:37 AM (+sBB4)

13 I'd like to petition to repeal the ban on c**kholster. That's the only word to describe this bunch of jerks

Posted by: MikeH at August 10, 2009 10:38 AM (cvvNY)

Because Linda Douglass cleared up all this "disinformation," OKAY!??!````11111!!!

Posted by: Jay at August 10, 2009 10:39 AM (/ZX77)

15 If this was colonial America, I could see Hacker being tarred and feathered on a cold winters day.

(kinda like in the first chapter of John Adams)

Posted by: Dave C, WINO, Whig In Name Only at August 10, 2009 10:42 AM (La0Tt)

16 There will be protests, and they will be ignored. This Abortion of a Bill will be passed. Elections will come, and miraculously, all Dems will get re-elected. Why? The fix is on with ACORN.

Get used to it people: a permanent Democrat majority, and DeathCare.

It could get ugly, but it won't. People are sheep, and the majority will go along with the destruction of our nation.

Yeah, it's another 'I've lost faith Monday.'

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2009 10:43 AM (OKZrE)

17 A video of Hitler would have been more aggravating for our local 52 %'s.

Posted by: ricky at August 10, 2009 10:44 AM (bfPLb)

18 The saddest thing to me this morning was hearing Sen Cornyn on the news talking about how the R's could support the "middle ground" and there was lots of good legislation that could happen on the "middle ground".

No means no, Senator Cornyn.

Tort reform is fine. Increasing competition by allowing cross-state plans etc is fine.

Otherwise, KEEP GOV'T OUT OF MY HEALTH INS!

Posted by: The Commissar of Love at August 10, 2009 10:48 AM (ao5cQ)

19 Tort reform is fine. Increasing competition by allowing cross-state plans etc is fine.

Otherwise, KEEP GOV'T OUT OF MY HEALTH INS!

IMHO, those are both examples of less government intrusion into your health insurance.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 10, 2009 10:50 AM (IuKAf)

20 Another great video, Barney Frank should have been thrown in there too.

Posted by: ken at August 10, 2009 10:51 AM (9zzk+)

21 Axelrod invest astroturfing and then uses it to con the media and they hardly bat an eyelash.

Where's Darling, I'm just an Entertainer? I need a drink already.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at August 10, 2009 10:52 AM (GtYrq)

22 when you watch hacker on his videos you get the chills. But, this is what this group does. They play mind games with you. So that later they can psych you out by saying "but it was right there, right in front of you, why did you trust us, why did you listen to us, you, my friend are the idiot, you my friend didn't care enough to rise up and challenge us". It is pure evil. And you get the feeling that it isn't just done with healthcare, it is done with everything they do which is why people are exhausted trying to work their own jobs and keep track of all the crap they are firing out there to make sure they get what they want. Whe he says that it is right there you immediately think of all the Tzars. Ultimately won't they say, well of course we needed Tzars. You didn't get the iron clad reference to communism, well we told you, we had it right in front of your eyes, but you chose not to look. The rules of engagement, having character, telling the truth, loving America, having faith in God, assuming that everyone has the country's and our best interest at heart, counting on the people in government to have old fashioned American character, values and care, well they are gone, gone.

Posted by: muffy at August 10, 2009 10:55 AM (p302b)

23 wtf ci, axelrod is not conning the media, he is leading them.

Posted by: wHodat at August 10, 2009 10:56 AM (+sBB4)

Honest debate is the last thing these cockholsters want. And THE REASON people are so pissed they want to wring their Representative's neck. But to their credit, they are merely angry and occasionally yell at their Socialist reps who would shove this turd right down our throats.

Posted by: maddogg at August 10, 2009 10:57 AM (OlN4e)

25 @21 Axelrod invest astroturfing and then uses it to con the media and they hardly bat an eyelash.

Unfortunately, the media are not being conned -- they know full well what's going on. It's simply that, as liberals, they're largely sympathetic to the agenda, to the detriment of all of us opposed to it.

Posted by: Capt. Numbstick at August 10, 2009 10:59 AM (voIlD)

26 People are sheep, and the majority will go along with the destruction of our nation.

To paraphrase Mark Steyn, they think "freedom" is a million songs on iTunes, and "oppression" is having a co-pay at the doctor. Sigh.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 10, 2009 10:59 AM (NtiET)

27 "We’re going to give them a choice of public and private insurance when they’re in the pool, and we’re going to let them keep their private employer-based insurance if their employer continues to provide it.'"

Posted by: muffy at August 10, 2009 11:00 AM (p302b)

Barney Frank is on video telling single payer advocates the same thing:

“Public option is the best way to reach single payer.”

You're right. It's not really a Trojan Horse when they are plainly telling you there's an army hiding inside.

Posted by: CJ at August 10, 2009 11:02 AM (9KqcB)

29 "We’re going to give them a choice of public and private insurance when they’re in the pool, and we’re going to let them keep their private employer-based insurance if their employer continues to provide it."

[He said, knowing full well that private employers won't be able to compete with a tax payer-funded insurance option, thus making them unable to provide it in the long run . . .]

Posted by: Capt. Numbstick at August 10, 2009 11:04 AM (voIlD)

30 A 'public option' is the guillotine looming over private insurance.

All they have to do is regulate private care with unreasonable demands, and have the public option only pay back a percentage of the costs it inflicts, as Medicare already does. The costs will get shifted to paying customers' insurance, and drive up private costs until it collapses.

Presto...single-payer, because the gummint's the only one still in the game.

Posted by: nickless at August 10, 2009 11:08 AM (MMC8r)

31 If you are a business and you can dump your employees on a public plan that you do not pay for, this is not brain surgery, you will do it, you will dump than faster than anyone can imagine. And since people are so thankful to have ajob many have been giving up bonuses or having them them taken away, many have been foregoing vacations and many many people ahve endured more than one salary freeze or cutback. Most companies ahve also used the economy as an excuse to stop contributing to anyone's 401K. So if companies are already doing this stuff, right in front of everyone, why would they not dump their employees and their insurance on a public company?

Posted by: muffy at August 10, 2009 11:09 AM (p302b)

32 Meanwhile, in yesterday's Boston Globe-Democrat...

Team Obama can spend August complaining about right-wing distortion of their healthcare agenda. Or, they can figure out how to tell their truth: Revamping healthcare is not an evil socialist plot to take away American rights. It’s a patriotic movement to guarantee them.

Well, I suppose I could believe my own lying eyes and ears...

Oh, and their truth? That's precious, Joan. Simply precious.

There shouldn’t be a country where the wealthy can always count on access to the best medical care; and the middle class is only OK until a downward economic spike throws their life, budget, and access to medical treatment into turmoil.

No. Evidently in Vennochi-land, there should be an America where the politicians and politically connected can count on access to the best medical care, and for everyone else it's Soylent Green.

Please do read the rest of this unintentionally hilarious column - and the comments as well. Here's a hint, when the comments - in the Boston Freaking Globe - are running against a lib-tard's arguments nearly 2-1 - well, you can draw your own conclusion.

Posted by: DocJ at August 10, 2009 11:10 AM (g8ibn)

33 [He said, knowing full well that private employers won't be able to compete with a tax payer-funded insurance option, thus making them unable to provide it in the long run . . .]

Of course. They're talking about an 8% payroll tax on small business that doesn't provide health insurance. I'd guess that's one hell of a deal, probably nowhere covers the actual cost. So as private insurers lose business and revenue, the government puts them out of business,
while;
   they dig the deficit deeper
until
   they raise the cost to small business to reflect actual costs
which
   starts the economy on a tall-spin again
and
   small business goes underground
end while

Posted by: I Am Jack's Knotted Vas Deferen at August 10, 2009 11:12 AM (8XI4A)

34 Sigh.

Obamacare is just another part of their Cloward Piven Strategy.

It will not be pleasant for the dissenters (read us morons) when the re-make the US into the USSA.

Posted by: shibumi at August 10, 2009 11:13 AM (OKZrE)

35 Did Obama ever have any "Honest Debate" when he was a community organizer? I don't think so. I wonder who wrote this speech, since Obama never in his life most likely EVER said "Honest Debate." Like Clinton (Bill), what is his defination of "Honest"

Posted by: Mystry at August 10, 2009 11:18 AM (dIHlE)

36 If the designer of the plan states that it's perfectly obvious to anyone that this is intended to take us to single-payer, and the plan's proponents claim the same, how on earth can Obama deny it?

Obama could, with a perfectly straight face, deny that the sky is blue, that water is wet, that the sun rises in the morning, if it suits his evil agenda. Fortunately, that seems to be obvious to more and more people every day.

Posted by: Peaches at August 10, 2009 11:24 AM (9Wv2j)

37 honest debate = "you be honest and we take your name"

Posted by: muffy at August 10, 2009 11:24 AM (p302b)

38 The Lewin Group estimates that 88 million people currently insured through employers' private plans will be shifted to the public plan, a decrease on almost 50%. That may be enough to reach critical mass and eliminate private insurance altogether.

Posted by: peterargus at August 10, 2009 11:30 AM (2P9jn)

39 This is exactly why there can be no compromise on this issue with this president. Ever. He believes in the incrementalism of socialism if he cannot impose Marxism outright. He shot for the stars. So what if he falls just short? The cloak of compromise under withering dissent will mean his design just makes it to the moon; but, the seeds will have been sown. No way on Earth we escape the weeds to follow.

This president's policies must fail. Team Obama's platform to appeal to moderation, assuming it is even interpretable as such, remains the perpetual lie that it always was if not actually designed to be.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2009 11:35 AM (JamGx)

40 Anyone remember the tape of the guy bragging that "campaign finance reform" was a completely astroturfed campaign?

Someone needs to resurrect that one, too.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 10, 2009 11:43 AM (IuKAf)

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Posted by: sazdfsdf at August 10, 2009 11:48 AM (eaf+y)

42

Is this part of Jacob Hacker's handiwork? If so, I see his point...

HR 3200, page 16:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law....

Posted by: Faye Kinnit at August 10, 2009 11:57 AM (l1oyw)

43 I really think that liberal politicians and academics still haven't fully grasped the reality of how widely and easily information can be disseminated these days. In the past the broadcast and print media has traditionally covered for them so they've been able to tell the truth to friendly audiences without much fear that it would reach the public. They must be shocked now to see words spoken to a like-minded crowd reach millions of not so like-minded people.

Posted by: rsrobinson at August 10, 2009 11:59 AM (0Me0w)

44 Have you guys ever noticed how annoying it is that Sarah Palin keeps dropping her g's?

And that "you betcha" thing. Man, how low class is that?

Did you see her toenail polish the other day? OMG. She could probably see Russia in the reflection of her toenails.

Hey, what are you guys talking about anyway?

Posted by: Moderate Republican Pundit Cocksuckers at August 10, 2009 12:01 PM (KXbGD)

Help me out here. I heard some cronie (a woman) from the DemoRat party say these words: "The people don't know what is good for them". Who is this person, anyone know?

I WANT TO SCREAM, and yell, and go to the townhalls and vent.

That's what they want though is it not? They want to be able to point fingers and call us racist.They want to pass this heathcare debacle, without any debate. Without any support. These idealogues are as unAmerican as they could be. And WE GET NAMED by Katie F'n Couric, as Un Patriotic!

Shame on them all.

Posted by: Trish at August 10, 2009 12:23 PM (mTvHJ)

......but we’ll do it package the propaganda in a way that we’re not going to frighten misleads people into thinking they’re going to lose keep their private insurance.

FIFY.

Posted by: SFC MAC at August 10, 2009 12:36 PM (cuNX0)

47 Someday soon, the Chinese will turn on their tv's and see Ace in the middle of the road in front of the Capitol.

All the cameras would be on Ace until they realized that one of the tanks was stuck. Then the world would completely forget about him.

Posted by: pbrown at August 10, 2009 12:48 PM (rTGYp)

48 Thanks! Sent the vid to flag@whitehouse.gov. They're interested in people spreading disinformation. I thought they might want to track down those people in the video and keep and eye on them.

Posted by: GarandFan at August 10, 2009 12:48 PM (qKTIT)

As I said earlier, what we should be doing is quoting specific sections of the house bill that have the bad provisions and asking the Dem to reconcile their rhetoric to the bill. We keep hearing about “disinformation” from the commies but evidently none of them have even read the bill so they are talking out their ass.

In all of this WHERE IS THE GD MEDIA????? The media should be asking these questions and getting the answers. If the media was doing their jobs there would be no need for all this “shouting” at the town hall meetings.

Hey FOX, we are waiting for you to REPORT so we can DECIDE!

Posted by: Vic at August 10, 2009 01:00 PM (CDUiN)

50 Vic: "...The media should be asking these questions and getting the answers. If the media was doing their jobs there would be no need for all this 'shouting' at the town hall meetings."

Of course we all know the answer to this question. When Team Obama is making morning calls to the top hacks at the legacy media centers, when "reporters/journalists" so readily migrate to work in the White House communications center, what we have is sanctioned, coordinated messaging. Pravda has more credibility. At least its members performed at the point of a gun.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 10, 2009 01:15 PM (JamGx)

No matter how this shakes out, we should beging planning to take back both houses and the presidency in 2010 & 2012 and then just UNDO anything no matter how inconvenient. It would be a first to dismantle a government program designed to outlast the pyramids!

Sarah in 2012, she's the only candidate with the balls to undo the damage that this idiot and crew are inflicting on us.

Posted by: Chilly in Alaska at August 10, 2009 02:15 PM (IHP71)

52 29 "We’re going to give them a choice of public and private insurance when they’re in the pool, and we’re going to let them keep their private employer-based insurance if their employer continues to provide it."

The Gubmint is going to force your employer to pay for their plan at gunpoint. So why would they continue paying for your existing plan out of the goodness of their hearts?

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 10, 2009 02:32 PM (IqfKc)

53 Help me out here. I heard some cronie (a woman) from the DemoRat party say these words: "The people don't know what is good for them". Who is this person, anyone know?

Trish, I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about, but Andrea Mitchell made a similar comment....

MITCHELL: You've got 47% of the people at our NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll who have health insurance --

ANCHOR: Mmm-hmm!

MITCHELL: -- who don't like what the president's doing. The problem he's got, 47% of the people who have got coverage don't want change. They don't like what they're hearing. Now, they may not know what's good for them, but the problem is that he always knew he was going to have to persuade people with insurance. That's the largest inspect, not the people without insurance for expanding coverage. So they've gotta real problem.

Posted by: Tami at August 10, 2009 03:11 PM (VuLos)

54 KEEP YOUR LAWS OFF OF MY BODY!!!!

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 10, 2009 03:15 PM (IqfKc)

55 Ace, this time you've gone too far.

It's flag@whitehouse.gov time for you.

Posted by: Christoph at August 10, 2009 03:29 PM (uYL8F)

56 That's the best ObamaCare video I've seen yet. So now, how do we get people to see it?

Posted by: notropis at August 10, 2009 07:42 PM (AaEmK)

57 Did anyone notice the woman in the blue -green dress on the second row behind Obama? She looks like the same woman who told the story about her 105 year old mother's pacemaker? When Obama said old people should just be given a pain pill and let die.

Posted by: BarbaraS at August 10, 2009 09:18 PM (8b4rY)

58 Tell Ya What I'm gonna do! I'll let you have two bottles of Doctor Sonny's supercalifragelistic elixir for the price of one thin dime!! After that stick around for the great Vincini who will perform magical feats of prestidigitation!http://tinyurl.com/m8xbc8

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Posted by: CD key at August 11, 2009 12:58 AM (WY7Bk)

Who is "them"? As in, "We're going to let them keep their healthcare blah blah blah"

Do I detect giant mounds of BS?

Are "them" you and I? Hard working, tax paying, God fearing, citizens of this here US of A?

So who were they talking TO?

Yeah, I know who they were talking to. Scum. Liberals who don't envision freedom the way we do and never will I fear. And people who live in the clutches of the government; fed by and paid by em and forever voting for em.

Take our country back! Wait, did I hear that last year somewhere?????????

Posted by: Trish at August 11, 2009 08:11 AM (mTvHJ)

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