Flashback: When the Left Protested Bush, the Media Saw Only "everyone from grandmothers and students to veterans and mothers pushing strollers"

I cite this as an example, and I trust not even a liberal will dispute that when it came to anti-war protests, the protesters were unfailingly described as "just normal folks," spontaneously animated to gather without, apparently, any organization at all; somehow, it seems, they psychically intuited where their fellow "just normal folks" might be banging their drums and shaking their paper mache effigies of Bush and Cheney.

Ah, but that was when dissent was patriotic.

After the meeting, everyone from grandmothers and students to veterans and mothers pushing strollers marched along Lake Merritt to Oakland City Hall for an afternoon rally at which Lee again spoke.

That's noted leftist anti-american firebrand Rep. Barbara Lee. She spoke with Sean Penn.

I searched for "grandmothers" for this because I remembered just about every story about the wonderful anti-war protests mentioned the grandmothers by the fourth paragraph.

Here, a grandmother (absolute moral authority conferred by wisdom of long years) instructs us how important it is for citizens to accept the claims of their president at face value and in respectful silence and with absolutely no back-talk or sass-mouth whatsoever.

Wait, that's not what she said at all.

"The only thing this government needs is for the people to be silent and then they can do whatever they want," said Joan MacIntyre, a 74-year-old great-grandmother from Oakland. "As long as the government keeps doing what it's doing, I'll be out in the streets."

At some point, the article does mention that these protests actually were (gasp!) organized, but seems quite unbothered by this fact. No nefarious machinations are imputed.

At the rally, which was organized by a coalition of Oakland community groups, folk singers led the crowd in song and a rapper rapped about violence in the streets.

Of course, omitted from that -- and omitted from nearly all of these "everyone from grandmothers to students to veterans to mothers pushing strollers" stories -- is that most of these protests were organized, in whole or in part, by radical socialist anti-american organization ANSWER.

So, in the case of a leftist protest, the protesters are depicted sympathetically, the reporter striving to stress their diversity and normalness so that any reader can see himself or herself in the protests.

And there is no hint of disrespect for the fact that yes, at some point, an email alert went out and people were told where to assemble.

On the other hand, when Obama opponents assemble (and that includes Democrats in good standing), the press strives to paint the protesters as not only weird and possibly dangerous ("carrying swastikas") but also deceptive, in that they're somehow "faking" their anger, or have been paid to be there.

Well, to be fair, some people are in fact paid to be at these protests. Some people belong to a hierarchical organization and are, in fact, part-time paid profession protesters, trouble-makers, and intimidators. Some people know exactly what to do and what to yell and who to push, because they do it every three or four months and it is, effectively, part of their job description.

But these people -- these people -- the media "forgets" to mention.

SEIU & Castor organize a townhall and announce it at the last minute as to reduce opposition voices. The townhall was packed 1/2 w SEIU people.

When supporters of healthcare freedom (ie, anti-BigGovHealth demonstrators) were prevented access to the townhall they began to shout, bang windows & doors.

Some of these people are even told specifically to show up just to provide "cover" to the Congressmen they're trying to support and influence:

Another one of Ms. Jorge’s tips is to “Address the [member of Congress] directly with a positive message: Remember, and they are getting beaten up by right wing zealots in these meetings.”

HCAN Communications Director Jacki Schechner said protecting elected officials who support their favored reforms was necessary given the contentious nature of some town-hall meetings.

Ms. Schechner said conservatives are baiting lawmakers into holding town-hall meetings, “so [lawmakers] can get yelled at and they don’t want to feel unsafe and uncomfortable.

In fact, the media will go so far as to rewrite their stories to omit damaging admissions made in the first published version. Here, Tampa Bay Online originally included this admission from the SEIU...

Asked earlier today about possible disruption at the event, Kim Diehl of SEIU said, "We're prepared. We have strategies to deal with it if it should come up."

...but then deleted it. After all, violence broke out, and you can't have people getting the wrong -- right -- idea that maybe the "strategies" the SEIU contemplated included physical intimidation.

The media also suddenly stops reporting specific details when those specific details damage the the crowd they're trying to portray as "everyone from grandmothers to students to veterans to mothers pushing strollers:"

Ironically, the only photographic evidence of a physical encounter that the paper published showed a woman, later identified by Henke as local Democratic operative Karen Miracle, shoving an Obama critic in the face.,

Identified by Jon Hencke, a conservative-leaning blogger, not the media. I don't want you to get the impression the MSM pointed this out.

And so it goes on. Union thugs show up at rallies to "provide cover" and engage in rough-house "strategies," but the media makes no mention of it (or, having made mention if it, quickly deletes it from the record).

And meanwhile opponents of Obama are all apparently on the payroll of insurance companies or otherwise illegitimately... um, informed of protests (apparently it's illegal for conservatives to talk to each other and organize themselves) and are furthermore just there to make trouble and carry swastikas.

It is breathtaking. It is breathtaking.

I wanted to write this last night but it was so enormously... breathtaking, it's the only word I can think of, I wasn't able to do so.

I'm still not.

I am literally stunned.

I cannot believe the MSM's new heights of double-standards, hypocrisy, and frankly anti-American behavior -- yes, anti-American behavior; the MSM is attempting to rule that 50+% of the American public is per se illegitimate and entirely excludable from the public debate.

50% + of the public disagrees with them, and there is no getting around that, so they've simply decided to make overt and a binding "rule" what they've long believed silently -- 50% of the public will simply need to be disenfranchised if we're ever to "get things done" and impose our progressive agenda.

Breathtaking.

Semi-Correction: I got a bit careless in conflating the MSM with the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi, for example, "reported" people "carrying swatikas" (and suspiciously upscale and stylish swastikas, one imagines, according to Barbara Boxer's "too well dressed to be real citizens" thesis); that wasn't the MSM, per se.

Although they did not demand her evidence for this assertion nor debunk it.

So I did conflate the two bodies a bit, but given that the MSM simply regurgitates talking points directly from DNC faxes, I hope people can forgive me for forgetting the two are, nominally, separate entities.

If they were actually separate entities, one would imagine the media would eventually ask an administration accusing opponents of "astroturfing" about the fact that Obama's campaign manager was the acknowledged "gold standard of Astroturf organizing." And he was called such not by a partisan operative, and not even after he became Barack Obama's chief strategist.

He was called that by Business Week, and his mastery of Astroturf was acknowledged long before Obama was anything more than Bill Ayers' beard.

Posted by: Ace at 12:53 PM



Comments

1 It's so good to see how President Obama has brought us all together ... a national "Kumbaya" moment.

Everybody sing ...

Posted by: Neo at August 07, 2009 12:57 PM (5d1ix)

2 The words you're looking for, Ace, are "post political".
We're almost there and just like a rat hat it isn't going to be good for anyone.

Posted by: Scott J. at August 07, 2009 12:58 PM (/bVuS)

3
And the inevitable claim of receiving death threats.


Posted by: Tweety Davis Jr. at August 07, 2009 12:59 PM (jVldi)

4 Whats wrong with a rat hat?

Posted by: kefka at August 07, 2009 12:59 PM (udoJ3)

5 Thug. In. Chief. He has made it official, blatant, undeniable.
Hopefully impeachable.

Posted by: krukke1 at August 07, 2009 12:59 PM (GMn5O)

6 It is sad that Americans have fought and died to assure freedom of the press and we no longer have a “free press”. It has been usurped by the Communist Party beginning in the 30s.

Fox is also liberally biased and is hiding a lot of the truth about these thug tactics.

Posted by: Vic at August 07, 2009 01:00 PM (CDUiN)

7 They want to rule, not govern.

And with the help of the census bureau and ACORN, they will ensure that they retain their majority for life.

Welcome to the jungle baby.

Posted by: shibumi at August 07, 2009 01:00 PM (OKZrE)

8 Breathtaking? Nah, just a logical extension of the need for the MSM to continue to protect Der Fuhrer and his cronies from the commoners. After all, THEY know what's best for us. Look for more "Chicago Style Politics" as the month heats up.

Posted by: GarandFan at August 07, 2009 01:01 PM (qKTIT)

9 There is a significant portion of the 52% who scoffed, yes scoffed, at the notion that Obama was a dangerous radical. "It can't happen here."
Eat it, scumbags.

Posted by: the real joe at August 07, 2009 01:01 PM (gue3j)

10
It is time we show up at EVERY appearance made by a Democrat and shout them down with "NO DIALOGUE WITH HATE!"


Posted by: Tweety Davis Jr. at August 07, 2009 01:03 PM (jVldi)

11 Is that blackgenteleman whowas attacked by union thugs at the Carnahan town-hall mtg yesterday gonna get to drink some beer with the his attackers, the prez, and the sherrif at that cute little picnic table out back of the WH? If not, why not. Isn't the prez concerned about protecting all black men from the oppressive whitey power structure?

Posted by: pendejo grande at August 07, 2009 01:03 PM (gudTT)

12 My head is spinning...words cannot describe the sheer hypocrisy and loonieness of it all!!
FUCK FUCK FUCK!!
AAH!

Posted by: dananjcon at August 07, 2009 01:04 PM (1B81L)

13 Like to see them try that union thug crap here in Texas.

Posted by: Bust of Churchill at August 07, 2009 01:04 PM (8/DeP)

14 13,

Shhhhh I pray everyday for them to do that!!!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 07, 2009 01:05 PM (6b5Ty)

15 Ace, I agree that the Left are hypocrites, but that should not be our emphasis.
Our emphasis shouldbe on their violent crackdown on free Americans, and the right of free Americans to use the 1st--and, if it should come to that, 2nd--Amendments to regain their liberty.
Hitler was guilty of hypocrisy for claiming that Jews were murderers. Nevertheless, there is a reason we don't call him Hitler the Hypocrite: namely, that, like Obama and his Gestapo, he is guilty of so much worse.

Posted by: Ken at August 07, 2009 01:05 PM (CkJ7l)

16 We didn't need to spread lies about the anti-war. We didn't need to confuse old people and tell them the president wanted them dead. We didn't need corporate backers to give us a "play-book" that explained how to shut down all discussion. We didn't need a misinformation campaign. We didn't compare Bush to hitler and we didn't need to spread lies.

You're all pathetic shills for greedy for-profit health care CEO's. You're easily led by your inability to accept a black man as president. You're all pretty stupid, intolerant, fear-mongers and xenophobes.

You suck.

Posted by: billy-Ray at August 07, 2009 01:06 PM (GMaAV)

17 2 My vote for best-descriptive word goes to "treasonous." This country is having a rebirth, and it's going to be a difficult process. Good will triumph, and when it does, we're going to have to recommit to the laws on the books, and treason is one of them. Seriously. The people fomenting this dissent, from the top on down, need to be locked up.
Russia couldn't/wouldn't embrace democracy, freedomand full-throated capitalism, even though the door waswide open for them to doso. This country is too steeped in liberty and self-reliance to accept or even live with (for a short time) the totalitarianismthat is Obama. It's just not in our DNA.

Posted by: Rush Babe at August 07, 2009 01:06 PM (LKkE8)

18
btw, who else is scared we are gonna lose the precious hispanic vote?

Some La Raza racist douchebag made a statement yesterday that Republicans will pay a price for not voting to confirm Sotomayormccheese.

Oooooooh, Ima so skeeered!


Posted by: Tweety Davis Jr. at August 07, 2009 01:06 PM (jVldi)

19 The markets are soaring, as is Obama's approval in both Gallup and Rasmussen, and the extreme right is stuck trying to spin what all Americans saw captured live...their goons trying to deny normal Americans their Constitutional right to gather and discuss political issue like rational human beings.

Dark time indeed for the Birther Nation.

Posted by: Organized Mob at August 07, 2009 01:07 PM (i31Zq)

20 I don't want to go too far down the road (or over the top) with this because of it's sensitivity (to me, if to no one else), but there is a relevant parallel of active demonization through opposites - The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 07, 2009 01:08 PM (RkRxq)

21 I was reading about one "town hall meeting" where a large section of the audience seating was reserved for union members - actually open public seating reserved for some citizens who apparently remain more equal than others.

Time for a bit more dissent. If I go to a town hall and see "reserved" seating such as this, I'm sitting there and not moving. I'll not move to the back of the room and they'll have to arrest me to make me give up my seat. Then I'll be consulting an attorney.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2009 01:09 PM (JamGx)

22 Fail trolls are fail.

Posted by: kefka at August 07, 2009 01:09 PM (udoJ3)

23 a 74-year-old great-grandmother from Oakland

Lotta teen mothers in that family. Absolute moral authority and automatic wisdom, eh?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 07, 2009 01:09 PM (NtiET)

24 What's all this racket ?

Posted by: Holger the Dane at August 07, 2009 01:09 PM (wb68R)

25 not only are we ignorant hicks that, what was it again andy mitchell, you catchter's mitt you, that "dont' know what's good for us", but we are "they are a threat to democracy that should be taken seriously and prosecuted when they cross the line between advocacy and violent intimidation." per Errol Lewis of the NY Daily News.
hear that? we should be prosecuted! guess he hit the submit button too soon when he typed up this little piece of comedy. guess he didn't anticipate what happened last night in st. louis.
prosecute: young, old, rich, black, white, brown, purple people that raise use their first amendment rights to raise questions about the healthcare bill. ergo, intimidation.
do not prosecute: thug new black panther members that brandish nightsticks in front of polling places for real intimidation during 2008 election.
we're living in bizarro world.

Posted by: LaceyUnderalls at August 07, 2009 01:10 PM (pLTLS)

26 Asked earlier today about possible disruption at the event, Kim Diehl of SEIU said, "We're prepared. We have strategies to deal with it if it should come up."
Good looking wife and kids you got there. Be a shame if a strategy were to happen to them.

Posted by: SEIU member at August 07, 2009 01:11 PM (fh5Oy)

27 Are these videos from Iran? Or America? Can't tell the difference anymore.

Posted by: wHodat at August 07, 2009 01:11 PM (+sBB4)

28 Gee, I wonder what DHS could've possibly been paving the path for with that report about dangerous "right-wing extremists."

Saul Alinsky 101.

Posted by: Andy at August 07, 2009 01:11 PM (VMyjP)

29 Well, if my math is right. Math is racist anyway.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 07, 2009 01:12 PM (NtiET)

30 50% or any percent of American citizens are no longer deemed worthy by the intolerant Obama of any tolerance.

David Harsanyi, Denver, wrote "Presenting new rules for radicals".

So you're all smelling the rot and realizing it is thorough. The Obatomy disconnect leaves people completely insensitive and smugly proud of their illogical "right" to abuse fellow Americans.

Socialist Whitehouse Newspeak and the Obatomization of America

Posted by: maverick muse at August 07, 2009 01:12 PM (F1b/5)

31 Just to be clear, nothing in our deal (and boy it's a sweet one for us) with the DoJ says we can't provide security at these meetings.

Any Democrats out there who need a little help, call us.

Posted by: The New Black Panthers at August 07, 2009 01:12 PM (iTt2X)

32 I really think BHobama wants to start a civil war. Perhaps he has some grand plan of marshall law up his Brooks Brothers sleve. After all, he is the one saying, if they bring a knife, we bring a gun. His staff said yesterday, if they hit us we hit them back twice as hard. This union thugery crap is straight out of the saul alinski (do not capitalize subhumans names) play book.

As Jefferson wrote:














When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Posted by: Pinkie French at August 07, 2009 01:13 PM (2H94Q)

33 #16 what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Posted by: LaceyUnderalls at August 07, 2009 01:13 PM (pLTLS)

34 If I go to a town hall and see "reserved" seating such as this, I'm sitting there and not moving.

If you see a seat a town hall meeting that says "reserved" you are not at a town hall meeting. You're at a theatrical performance.

It's blatant staged theatre. Think about it. Is there any other way to explain "reserved seating" if it is not for handicapped persons?

The local press should be reporting this huge story.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at August 07, 2009 01:13 PM (GtYrq)

35 Another post from AoS that is incredibly on point and expresses much of what I have been feeling, but have not really articulated, even to myself.
I'm all for keeping a sense of humor and not over-reacting during the madness that is the Obama administration, but I agree 100% with Ace that this is indeed breathtaking and stunning. Even though the liberal bias of the media has become dog bites man stuff, it has become so blatant, hypocritical, agenda driven, one-sided, and over the topthat it is almost a parody of itself.
Ace, please keep up the good work, these points need to be driven home again and again. I do feel some people are beginning to slowly wake up from their slumber.

Posted by: RM at August 07, 2009 01:13 PM (1kwr2)

36 This is the issue that might kill the dem's agenda because it is so infuriating that even nonpolitical people are starting to see how bad it is becoming. I will admit that I am a conservative that would never vote for a socialist like Obama. I generally keep my nose to the grindstone and gripe to my family about all these things that the dems and media (BIRM) do to piss me off but now I am going to actually get out and protest. There is a "listening" tour event in Birmingham this month and I have requested a seat - I will try to ask a questionas towhy the congress and union/government workers won't be put on this"wonderful" health plan.The mediaand the arrogant dems have fired me up - I am now listening totalk radio as of 3 weeks ago and talking to people about my beliefs even when I know that they might call me racist just because I don't agree with dear Messiah. It is quite freeing - I am learning to embrace the labels that the left applies to me and mine.
Amaryllis

Posted by: Amaryllis at August 07, 2009 01:14 PM (JhlFi)

37 If I attended a town hall like the one in Tampa I'd have been in handcuffs before the meeting was over .
Fuckin' union goons can kiss my rebel dick .

Posted by: awkward davies at August 07, 2009 01:15 PM (wb68R)

38 @16 You're easily led by your inability to accept a black man as president.
You proved our point dumb ass.You leftist wrap yourself in the politics of race class warfare when you cannot win a battle based on fact, reason common sense.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 07, 2009 01:15 PM (1B81L)

39 You're all pathetic shills for greedy for-profit health care CEO's.
You're easily led by your inability to accept a black man as president.
You're all pretty stupid, intolerant, fear-mongers and xenophobes.

Billy Ray, you asswipe, that's so fucking stupid it's beneath even a troll like you. We're all pathetic shills for greedy for-profit health care CEO's? Umm, no. Most of us have affordable health care plans we like just fine. Got a problem with that? And why exactly would anyone shill to make someone else wealthy anyway?

Easily led by our inability to accept a black man as president? How can someone be lead by inability? And as for your race baiting, we're not the ones who spent twenty years worshipping in a church that honors anti-white, anti-Semetic douchebags like Wright and Farrakhan. Your racist boyfriend Obama did that.

Stupid, intolerant, fear-mongers and xenophobes? Why, because we won't bow down at the altar in the fraudulent cult of Obamaism? Fuck you. The dude is an epic failure, and we'll ream his sorry ass whenever and however we want.

Now go suck some more Obama dick ... and bring me back a juicebox when you're done.

Posted by: Bust of Churchill at August 07, 2009 01:15 PM (8/DeP)

40 The media is not "biased".

The media is the mouthpiece of Leftists.

Posted by: wHodat at August 07, 2009 01:15 PM (+sBB4)

41
Another good Anti-Obama song: Bad Medicine.

Bad, bad medicine
Bad, bad medicine

Posted by: Tweet Bon Jovi at August 07, 2009 01:16 PM (jVldi)

42 It's a new eara of bi-partisanship, baby!

Posted by: Fred R. at August 07, 2009 01:16 PM (Yh2W6)

43
Posted by: billy-Ray at August 07, 2009 01:06 PM

Somedays I have a difficult time telling the difference between real trolls and fake/joke trolls.

Posted by: Dave C at August 07, 2009 01:17 PM (La0Tt)

44 Do papier machetes inflict paper cuts?

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2009 01:17 PM (l1f4+)

45 umm, that would be "era".

Posted by: Fred R. at August 07, 2009 01:17 PM (Yh2W6)

46 "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which iswrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the factsthey misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are notwarned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit ofresistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right asto the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lostin a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed fromtime to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.It is its natural manure."
-Thomas Jefferson
/Quick! Somebody report this guy to the Whitehouse Ratline.

Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2009 01:17 PM (OlN4e)

47 Even though I was a soldier once and young I am still mentaly and physicaly fit and trained in self defense. Should I allow physical violence to occur or wade into the melee and become one of them? Do I do Ghandi or Ghengis?

Posted by: bman at August 07, 2009 01:18 PM (4U8+w)

48 Hey, the Left has been saying for years they wanted America to be more like Europe. Well now we got leftist politicians bringing their thugs to meetings in order to intimidate opposition and the MSM being silent about the whole thing.

It looks like we're all Europeans now.

Posted by: GhostShip at August 07, 2009 01:18 PM (oJebf)

49 It's time for the government to once again fear the people.

Posted by: tangonine at August 07, 2009 01:18 PM (zS8Lk)

50 soaring, as is Obama's approval in both Gallup and Rasmussen
According to realclearpolitics.com, Obama's popularity has gone down 4 points in Gallup and 1 point in Rasmussen.
Does lying make you feel tough, keyboard commando?

Posted by: Ken at August 07, 2009 01:19 PM (CkJ7l)

51 ABC had a story on the dustup at the meeting in Missouri:

"This isn't even close to civil" said Steve Belosi, 52. "The rudeness was beyond compare."...Outside, conservative activist Kenneth Gladney handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them and was, he said, attacked.

See, the conflict is between "conservative activists" like Kenneth Gladney and regular American joes like Steve Belosi.

PS if you're asking yourself, "hey, is that the same Steve Belosi who's a Code Pink member and a 9/11 Truther?" - why, yes, yes it is.

Posted by: bgates at August 07, 2009 01:19 PM (Tf7Dr)

52 "Martial law." Not "marshall law."

M-A-R-T-I-A-L.

Sweet suffering Shiva.

Let them be the party of ignorance and mis-spelling. Please?

Posted by: Cranky Prof at August 07, 2009 01:19 PM (DZZLZ)

53 http://tinyurl.com/mqs74m

I would recommend people contacting the President of the East Hillsborough Democrat Political Organization at the above link about Karen Miracle, their treasurer (the woman seen slapping a guy on Drudge), and her assault on a tea party member.

Link to the photos and demand her termination (full array of photos here: http://tinyurl.com/mhutdu (photos 9-16)

Posted by: enoxo at August 07, 2009 01:19 PM (NBfvi)

54 The MSM doesn't realize how many OLD socialist hacks and dupes there are out there. They have figured out that email thingie too.

Posted by: cassandra in MT at August 07, 2009 01:19 PM (GdalM)

55 I never know how to spell paper mache and in fact spell it wrong (and differently wrong) every time I've tried, although I've had to write it six hundred times.

It's one of those words where I know "whatever I think is the right way to spell it, that's the wrong way," so I'm constantly trying new variations of wrong.

Posted by: ace at August 07, 2009 01:20 PM (S+TBP)

56 Ace, I'm not stunned.*I had been saying for a long time that Obama has all the character traits necessary -- including the desire -- to become a dictator.


*Angry yes, stunned no.

Posted by: Christoph at August 07, 2009 01:21 PM (uYL8F)

57 their goons trying to deny normal Americans their Constitutional right to gather and discuss political issue like rational human beings.Dark time indeed for the Birther Nation.
Posted by: Organized Mob at August 07, 2009 01:07 PM (i31Zq)
The goons you're talking about are of course of the SEIU. I see your tiny brain finally figured out how to spell organized.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:21 PM (1Jaio)

58 I don't know that you should be all that surprised. They went all-in on this guy back in 2008, and they'll do anything to protect their investment.
The country desperately needs honest brokers in the MSM right now, but instead we have the skanky cheerleaders from "Smells Like Teen Spirit", wearing "Obama" in cursive on their sweaters.
This is going to get worse, and much uglier, because President Perpetual Candidate doesn't know when to stop and the Fourth Estate won't call him on it.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at August 07, 2009 01:22 PM (y4lNt)

59

Rush says “Obama is inciting violence”

Posted by: wHodat at August 07, 2009 01:22 PM (+sBB4)

60 I think we need to be taking videos and IDing the dem operatives that are disrupting the meetings. Also I believe that the dems will be planting disruptive people posing as conservatives and we need to be able to call them out as liberals.
Amaryllis

Posted by: Amaryllis at August 07, 2009 01:22 PM (JhlFi)

61 Honestly, why do we bother with journalism schools?

Posted by: AmishDude at August 07, 2009 01:22 PM (T0NGe)

62 If you see a seat a town hall meeting that says "reserved" you are not at a town hall meeting. You're at a theatrical performance.
We have a bingo.

Posted by: Rush Babe at August 07, 2009 01:23 PM (LKkE8)

63 Your math is off a little Ace. It is far more than 50% that is against this Health scam...indications are that there are 65 to 70% that want to see it go down in flames. The minority is screeching and getting the headlines, but the majority is going to win this one.

Posted by: rls at August 07, 2009 01:23 PM (gpGpT)

64 Poon should be delt with like a dump you took yesterday. Flushed and long forgotten.

Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2009 01:23 PM (OlN4e)

65 Should I allow physical violence to occur or wade into the melee and become one of them? Do I do Ghandi or Ghengis?
Neither. You do, however, have a moral obligation to defend yourself and others.
Put it this way: the Democowards love beating up the defenseless. Would you be a Gandhi if you saw a young man dragging an old woman out of her wheelchair?

Posted by: Ken at August 07, 2009 01:23 PM (CkJ7l)

66
Um, not for anything but if Bush was half as enthusiastic and outspoken while making his case to the people as Obama, we wouldn't have this fraud in office today.

Obama is no shrinking violet and he's not gonna let anything, not even Democrats, sidetrack his radical leftwing agenda. He's the fucking president, as he keeps reminding us, and he's gonna do whatever the fuck he wants, as he also keeps reminding us.


Posted by: Tweety Davis Jr. at August 07, 2009 01:23 PM (jVldi)

67 The United States PRAVDA is alive and working hard for the United States Politburo. Good Morning/Good Afternoon Comrades. Don't for get to turn in those who speak ill of our Dear Leader or his policies,and those in the Politburo.

Posted by: Sparkyvich at August 07, 2009 01:23 PM (J1f2W)

68 We won't win by whining about media bias.
We won't win by whining about hypocrisy on the left.
We won't win by whining about Democrat spin.
We won't win by hoping the economy stays bad.
We might... might win by repeating, again and again and again, that they think we're ignorant, malicious goons and should have no voice in our government.
That's what they really think. Breathtaking, as somebody said...

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at August 07, 2009 01:24 PM (SCcgT)

69 Yeah, yeah, Shocked etc.

Posted by: your winnings, sir at August 07, 2009 01:24 PM (PD1tk)

70 WTF Capital Investments: "It's blatant staged theatre. Think about it. Is there any other way
to explain "reserved seating" if it is not for handicapped persons?The local press should be reporting this huge story."

Of course it's staged, but I'm not holding my breath about the MSM covering this appropriately. Union thugs were escorted in through a side door to get to reserved seats while independent Americans were locked out.

Yes, it's a huge scandal. No, the MSM bastards won't do it justice. They are contributing to the escalation of emotions and bear great responsibility for the public feeling abused and misrepresented.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2009 01:24 PM (JamGx)

71 Remember that tape of Hilary about 4-5 years ago screeching at warp 5:"I AM SICK TIRED OF NOT BEING ABLE TO DISAGREE WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION...WE HAVE A RIGHT TO DEBATE DISAGREE WITH ANY ADMINISTRATION"
Every non-liberal who is on the air - radio or TV - needs to have a copy at all times. Whenever a leftist host or opponent raises the issue of conservatives who need to shut up and keep their mouths closed for the good of the country or whatever,pull it out and play at full volume.
Game, set, match.

Posted by: RM at August 07, 2009 01:24 PM (1kwr2)

72 #38

Fact, reason and common sense.

Let's see - IF you have health care, you get to keep it. No one takes it away. - Ok - Those of you go away now. Nothing more to see here

IF you don't have health care, you get a chance to get some at reasonable cost you can afford. Cigna, United Health and won't profiting off that - Hence the astroturfing...

Is that what pisses you off so much? Poor people getting health care? Is that it?
"I'm in the lifeboat. You're not. No more seats.. swim away now" Is that what you're all about?

Racism:
And yes. this uprising against the president is all the more easier in a country of entitled white racists. Oh yes. That has a lot to do with this. First black president, majority of birthers in the south. Oh yeah the embarrassing, ugly side of white America has shown it's face. You're embarrassing the rest of us.

You make me kinda sick.

Posted by: billy-Ray at August 07, 2009 01:24 PM (GMaAV)

73 Well, you have to admit, those people brought it upon themselves, what with their daring to question their betters and to raise their voices above library levels, and all. I mean, look how civilized the left always behaves when they disagree with something.

Posted by: Filly at August 07, 2009 01:25 PM (lsiux)

74 Another day another TV appearance for the narcissist in chief. I think he just said the same thing my football coach said in high school, "it's a rebuilding year, the third part of my plan is playing juniors, seniors,.....oh well". I sat out my senior year and gleefully watched them fail that year and the year after . this will be no different.

Posted by: Modgi at August 07, 2009 01:25 PM (VefCZ)

75 It' s impossible for Obama and his media assistants to disenfranchise 50+% of the population because that particular 50+% of the population believes very strongly in the Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment. They are armed to the teeth, and for reasons becoming increasingly apparent with each passing day. In the not-so-distant future, Obama and his minions may very well echo the Japaneese commander's lament following Pearl Harbor: I fear we have awakened a sleeping tiger.

Posted by: Dave at August 07, 2009 01:25 PM (Xm1aB)

76 36, *hat tip* I'm in B'ham too.
A friend (who reads but doesn't post to my knowledge) tipped me off to the "listening tour".
I won't go because I really think we're past the point of trying to get these folks to reverse course.

Posted by: Scott J. at August 07, 2009 01:26 PM (/bVuS)

77
Heh @ bgates' #51

Is that right? And ABC News didn't think it was important to mention that fact?

Posted by: Tweety Davis Jr. at August 07, 2009 01:26 PM (jVldi)

78 32
I really think BHobama wants to start a civil war.

That sounds crazy.

However, if you look at the evidence objectively, this man is not working for the good of America. He is working to reshape the nation into some sort of Democrat Communist Utopia. If you are against his plan, you are a political terrorist.

Do you want full on crazy? How about this: at some point, there is a fake national emergency (swine flu anyone?) and the President declares Martial Law. Dissenters are then place in the FEMA camps, controlled by the National Guard (they are now advertising on Monster for "internment specialists). Once the 'dissenters' or 'political terrorists' are out of the way, he declares himself President for Life.

Sound impossible?

Doesn't sound quite as impossible as it was a year ago, given the actions of the government.

Posted by: shibumi at August 07, 2009 01:27 PM (OKZrE)

79 51 ABC had a story on the dustup at the meeting in Missouri:"This isn't even close to civil" said Steve Belosi, 52. "The rudeness was beyond compare."...Outside, conservative activist Kenneth Gladney handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them and was, he said, attacked.See, the conflict is between "conservative activists" like Kenneth Gladney and regular American joes like Steve Belosi.PS if you're asking yourself, "hey, is that the same Steve Belosi who's a Code Pink member and a 9/11 Truther?" - why, yes, yes it is.
Wow. Does ABC get Internet access?

Posted by: AmishDude at August 07, 2009 01:27 PM (T0NGe)

80 2000 to 2008 - "Dissent is patriotic"

2009- "Shut up, pull down your pants, bend over and take it, suckahs!"

Posted by: Theresad at August 07, 2009 01:27 PM (MO2LE)

81 Remember, after ambulances, the next most likely vehicle for a lawyer to chase is a media truck.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at August 07, 2009 01:28 PM (GtYrq)

82 Liberals and those among them masquerading as objective journalists have a romantic self image of themselves. They are out to save the world. Ergo, anyone who stands in the way of their advancing their agenda is a dupe or evil.
It is the whole "What'sThe Matter With Kansas" meme: the rubes are too distracted and easily duped to understand how wonderful big government is. Bitter clingers.
The fact that Conservatives would use the tools devisedin Rules for Radicals against them and that they actually have a genuine disagreement is both galling and unthinkable to these conceitedtibunes of the plebians. It screws too much with their own worldview of themselves as being "good" people and anyone opposed to them as stupid or evil or both.
As well, anyone who has Axelrod as his chief political adviser really needs to STFU about organized mobs.

Posted by: Amor de Cosmos at August 07, 2009 01:28 PM (mwsWE)

83 Hey, billy ray......I promise I won't come in your mouth. Trust me...I speak the truth.

Posted by: rls at August 07, 2009 01:28 PM (gpGpT)

84 billy ray,
What the fuck is Medicaid? Just asking.

Posted by: Ginger at August 07, 2009 01:28 PM (MDuh7)

85 Were they all Wise Latina Grandmothers?

Posted by: The Most Interesting Man In The World at August 07, 2009 01:29 PM (kzhuA)

86 "Fact, reason and common sense."
Too bad that none ofthe remainder of your comment contains any of it. ObamaCare is a stepping stone to single payer, as its proponents (Russ Feingold, bless him for being the rare leftist with integrity) admit.
Since 35% of Democrats believed 9/11 was an inside job back in 2007, I'm thinking Birtherism isn't much of an obstacle to electoral revival.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at August 07, 2009 01:29 PM (y4lNt)

87 This "mob" meme is a good time to point out the difference between a democracy and a republic.

It's what some liberal intellectuals have been advocating for years, as the only type of movement that is "authentic"

REGARDLESS of how you feel about the tea party movement (which I like), this is how "democracy" works, because 49% of the electorate is ALWAYS getting screwed.

We are not acting like a constitutional republic because the structures that enforce a republican (small r) model have been systematically weakened.

If we continue in the direction of Federal Power Consolidation, this type of activism will increase. ALWAYS. And it will eventually become violent - regardless of how we divide people into parties.

Right now, the tea parties are a legitimate grass roots phenomena, and hopefully the movement can prevent further federal consolidation.

But lets keep in mind that the reason it is happening is because we have lost a good deal of our Liberty. All of us, including people in the opposition.

We should say to the Left - This is why the Founders, and The People, decided on a Constitutional Republic.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at August 07, 2009 01:29 PM (fKwpD)

88 Posted by: billy-Ray at August 07, 2009 01:24 PM (GMaAV)
We're all in awe of your copying and pasting skills.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:30 PM (1Jaio)

89 IF you have health care, you get to keep it. No one takes it away.
Your employer can take it away, and will, in order to save himself money (since he has to pay taxes for the "public plan" regardless. In Obama's plan, you are banned from enrolling in a new private care plan. So, in short,
you are lying.
Does it make you feel tough?

Posted by: Ken at August 07, 2009 01:30 PM (CkJ7l)

90 long before Obama was anything more than Bill Ayers' beard.
Nice descprition there Ace. Have you been reading the titles at my posts?
Wait. I got that backwards. Me, have you been reading Ace of Spades?
Yes, me. Yes i have.

Posted by: quite googleable at August 07, 2009 01:30 PM (EiH7n)

91 81
Remember, after ambulances, the next most likely vehicle for a lawyer to chase is a media truck.

Which reminds me, I need to find my copy of the proposed bill to legalize the hunting of lawyers.

I need to amend the provision that outlaws running over them by using an ambulance driving in reverse.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 07, 2009 01:31 PM (Uj4rV)

92 "We have a president who has abandoned the office."

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh at August 07, 2009 01:31 PM (LKkE8)

93 Ohhhh, billy ray is a angry customer of poon and palin lunch time BJ's, apparently poon bites, fuck off assholes!

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at August 07, 2009 01:31 PM (6b5Ty)

94 I will not go quietly!


(Dull slap.)

Posted by: Paper Machete at August 07, 2009 01:32 PM (2wzYk)

95
Billy Ray Cocksucker leaves out the fact that YOU MUST BUY INSURANCE OR PAY A PENALTY.

Also, the cocksucker leaves out the fact that this phony 'reform' bill provides the 'free' public option to ANYONE living in the United States.

And IT DOES NOTHING TO LOWER COSTS which is the REAL problem of health care.

Posted by: Tweety Davis Jr. at August 07, 2009 01:32 PM (jVldi)

96 Scott (76)
You need to go to the meeting so that people with conservative voices can be heard. I plan on planting myself and acting liberal until I can hopefully get the microphone and then I will ask my conservative question. I know it is wrong to lie but I am so tired of playing by the rules when the opposition lies, steals and cheats.
Plus I would love to meet fellow conservatives in this community - I work at UAB and I am surrounded by Kool-Aid drinkers. It can be frustrating at times especially when we talk gun rights (NRA member here).
Amaryllis

Posted by: Amaryllis at August 07, 2009 01:32 PM (JhlFi)

97 Morons, I want to make it very clear:
I hate poor people and I don't want them to have health insurance.
/sarc

Posted by: Ginger at August 07, 2009 01:32 PM (MDuh7)

98 Billy-Douche:
Since you have reading comprehension issues, I'll break it down Sesame Street for you:
No one claims the current system is perfect. It needs reform, beginning with tort reform. Then, once the bullshit lawsuits (led by asswipes of John Edwards' ilk) go away, the insurance companies can be forced to lower premiums so doctors can once again make a living and American citizens don't have to pay brutal premiums.
What we don't need is a total government take over of a public enterprise for becuase 5% of American citizens that need/want health care can't get it.
You don't wreck a system for 95% to help 5%, dumbass.

Posted by: tangonine at August 07, 2009 01:32 PM (zS8Lk)

99 Like p---n st--le, Billy Ray henceforth should be addressed only as Dum-Dum.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at August 07, 2009 01:33 PM (y4lNt)

100 #84
Medicaid is government -run health care and people are pretty happy about it.


Posted by: billy-Ray at August 07, 2009 01:33 PM (GMaAV)

101 Is that what pisses you off so much? Poor people getting health care? Is that it?"I'm in the lifeboat. You're not. No more seats.. swim away now" Is that what you're all about?

Nope, if it all goes through, we'll all be poor. Besides.. there are other alternatives besides letting the government decide every medical issue for you.

Racism:And
yes. this uprising against the president is all the more easier in a
country of entitled white racists. Oh yes. That has a lot to do with
this. First black president, majority of birthers in the south. Oh
yeah the embarrassing, ugly side of white America has shown it's face.
You're embarrassing the rest of us.

But you have no issue with your obvious bigotry to people in the south.
And it's the man's POLICIES, not his skin color but the content of his character that worries me.

You make me kinda sick.

I actually pity you, however. You have several preconceived notions and actually very hateful speech patterns and yet you accuse me of being hateful..

Exercise in futility, I know.

Posted by: Dave C at August 07, 2009 01:34 PM (La0Tt)

102 These protesting grandmas should be euthanized for opposing President Power Pecs.

Posted by: poon at August 07, 2009 01:34 PM (i31Zq)

103 I promised I wouldn't come in your mouth! I PROMISED!!!

Posted by: rls at August 07, 2009 01:34 PM (gpGpT)

104 "IF you don't have health care, you get a chance to get some at reasonable cost you can afford. Cigna, United Health and won't profiting off that - Hence the astroturfing..."
Someone still pays, dipshit. You, like your ilk, are a taker. You take from those who have more or better than you have and justify it with lofty (empty) words like fairness. Instead of striving to be better yourself, you would diminish your betters because to you, that's fair. Instead of following your own dreams, you would destroy the dreams of others.
You, like your ilk, are petty and insignificant and trying to lower others to your level will fail as has been proven in every socialist experiement tried so far.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 07, 2009 01:34 PM (RkRxq)

105 Medicaid is government -run health care and people are pretty happy about it.
Oh, Dum-Dum. You lost another cerebellum?

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at August 07, 2009 01:35 PM (y4lNt)

106
I said back in January that Obama's approval ratings will never go below 45% because a lot of Americans do want government to tell them where to work, what to eat, and what to do. But now I don't know.

Obama is not even pretending to be a centrist anymore. He's out there creating rancor and dissent. His ratings could go below 40%...

by the end of this year.

Posted by: Tweety Davis Jr. at August 07, 2009 01:36 PM (jVldi)

107 I'm tanned rested and ready. Call me anytime.

Posted by: The Long Hot Summer at August 07, 2009 01:36 PM (bVNRW)

108 #98 - How much of Cigna CEO Stan Hanway's $12.2 million-dollar-per-year salary and $73 Million-Dollar retirement bonus is going to lawsuits?

None? OOps.

I think he owes you a thank you....have you heard from him yet?

Posted by: billy-Ray at August 07, 2009 01:36 PM (GMaAV)

109 First black president, majority of birthers in the south. Oh yeah the embarrassing, ugly side of white America has shown it's face. You're embarrassing the rest of us. You make me kinda sick.
Posted by: billy-Ray at August 07, 2009 01:24 PM (GMaAV)
It's the same language that poon used yesterday. The same language that Paul Krugman used in his article. It's the same language that the Dims and media are using. Well done Billy you're a good little brainless drone.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:36 PM (1Jaio)

110 Grapevine says that there will be telephone town hall meetings by invitation only henceforth.

Posted by: muffy at August 07, 2009 01:36 PM (p302b)

111 You're easily led by your inability to accept a black man as president.

I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 Iowa caucus (eh, he won the debate I attended). Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams would be awesome presidents; I was kinda hoping JC Watts would come back to national politics until his squishy Obama endorsement last fall. I've occasionally posted "Tony Dungy for POTUS!" even though I know he's got better things to do with his life.

My inability is to accept an ignorant totalitarian Marxist as president. I wish more people had that inability.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 07, 2009 01:36 PM (NtiET)

112 Billy-Ray
I find it difficult to believe that we can turn a stomach with typed ideas that is capable of holding such an enormous quantity of Zero's jizz.

Posted by: maddogg at August 07, 2009 01:36 PM (OlN4e)

113 Medicaid is government -run health care and people are pretty happy about it.Ok. Then why the fuck do we need another government-run health care? I am not getting the logic.

Posted by: Ginger at August 07, 2009 01:36 PM (MDuh7)

114 The facts of the matter is that we MUST learn out to get the message out past the lying dogs in the media. We MUST work to get people on the news shows who will speak out about this sham of a health scam bill.

It has become obvious that the wonks that run the Republican Party are not interested in speaking out against it. They want to push a modifying scam-lite bill and work with the communists.

What needs to happen is for some of the “tea party” people to get interviewed by the local press and do the setup so that the responses can not be edited to death or at least do like the IL utility did a few years ago. Have someone else filming side-by-side. Then get the video out there on U-Tube.

It is obvious that the communist sympathizing media is ot going to speak the truth. We must create our own media.

Posted by: Vic at August 07, 2009 01:37 PM (CDUiN)

115 We are slowly becoming the likes of Iran.. We are slowley being fucked.. maybe dum dum likes that

Posted by: Todd at August 07, 2009 01:37 PM (RNwpX)

116 Lynn Swann for President. Sorry, Raven's fans.

Posted by: Ginger at August 07, 2009 01:38 PM (MDuh7)

117 Posted by: billy-Ray at August 07, 2009 01:24 PM (GMaAV)
I realize you're incredibly stupid, but I willtake the bait.
The objective of the Obama plan (such as it is) is to have a subsidized "option" that will drive your favorite plan OUT OF BUSINESS.
But even that's not the whole truth. In the legislation, if *anything* about your plan changes, you have to dump it and go into the government plan.
You know who hates the poor and minorities? Liberals.
The minimum wage puts poor people out of work and encourages employers not to hire unskilled people who can undercut the rich and privileged. Instead, employers will hire the white guy with a little bit of work history at $7.50 rather than the blackkid with less work history at $7.50. But if the blackkid is willing to work for a little less, he'll get hired. Racist.
Environmental legislation is designed to decimate the poor. Who do you think buys those clunkers that are now turned to junk? Everything is made more expensive by enviro-nazis.
Unions are the worst. They're designed to keep "undesirables" out of the labor market. The floor rep's nephew will get a union card, though. Bank on it.
You make me sick.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 07, 2009 01:38 PM (T0NGe)

118 Fuck you , Billy ray , and if you've any friends in the SEIU fuck them too . You're the racist in this scenario .
The only thing missing is the noose , right ?

Posted by: awkward davies at August 07, 2009 01:39 PM (wb68R)

119 Shame on you guys for using Alzheimer's sufferers for political purposes.Still, I guess with the unemployment rate falling, you doom and gloomers have nothing to lose by dragging granny along to your circus.
Posted by: Organized Mob at August 07, 2009 01:34 PM (i31Zq)
Yes, I'm marching senior citizens at bayonet point to AARP meetings and telling them what to say. None of those people have their own opinion or thoughts on the matter except what I pay them to say. Dipshit.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:39 PM (1Jaio)

120 shoving an Obama critic in the face

I believe that's actually called "slapping", and qualifies as battery.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 07, 2009 01:40 PM (IuKAf)

121
Lynn Swann for President. Sorry, Raven's fans.

Heh. I hate the Steelers, but after I read an interview Rush Limbaugh had with him, I was ready to vote for him, too. Good man.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 07, 2009 01:40 PM (NtiET)

122 #108 Billy-Douche:
Again: reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it? Re-read my post with help from an adult, and you'll notice I said the insurance companies need to be monitored to ensure fair premiums are required of doctors and patients.
Charging unfair premiums is price-gouging. Heard of it?
What the CEO gets paid is irrelevant. As a private (read: non-govt)company, the board members and shareholders can pay their CEO whatever the fuck they want. They can take it out of their profits. Fine.
I'd try to explain how the free market works, where a competing health insurer becomes more competitive by not paying their CEO so much, and therefore fixing the problem naturally, but you're a fucking idiot and wouldn't understand.

Posted by: tangonine at August 07, 2009 01:41 PM (zS8Lk)

123 How much of Cigna CEO Stan Hanway's $12.2 million-dollar-per-year salary and $73 Million-Dollar retirement bonus is going to lawsuits? None? OOps.I think he owes you a thank you....have you heard from him yet?
Dum-dum, CEO salaries aren't why health costs are going up. They also aren't why people aren't getting necessary coverage. But you know that,just like you also know thatObamaCare is the first step toward single-payer, Dum-dum.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at August 07, 2009 01:41 PM (y4lNt)

124 We didn't compare Bush to hitler and we didn't need to spread lies.

The irony, you cannot cut it with a chainsaw.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 07, 2009 01:41 PM (IuKAf)

125 Do you know who has two thumbs and loves old people? This Guy!

I love them so much I don't want to see them suffer.

Hence, my 71 and Done program. Think of it as a nice long sleep. Your LAST long sleep.

(run short of funds, it will be the 61 and Done Program then)

Posted by: Barack Obama. at August 07, 2009 01:42 PM (La0Tt)

126 "Medicaid is government -run health care and people are pretty happy about it."
Every single person who voted for BO who still has the hope has been saying this for two days now, guess this is a major talking point. In the meantime, on O'reilly last night, I'm told that Dick Morris pointed out the place in the bill where BO is planning to get rid of medicare.
So, if it is such a great program, so well run, why does he want to get rid of it?

Posted by: muffy at August 07, 2009 01:43 PM (p302b)

127 We didn't compare Bush to hitler and we didn't need to spread lies.

Uh. OK.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 07, 2009 01:43 PM (NtiET)

128 Medicaid is government -run health care and people are pretty happy about it.

So if there is already government -run health care in place, why does Obama and his ilk pushing for something else?

Posted by: Russtovich at August 07, 2009 01:45 PM (ZXGQD)

129 Heather Radish are you a liberal democrat troll?

Posted by: muffy at August 07, 2009 01:45 PM (p302b)

130 I just bought more bullets. I had stopped. But now I am freshly scared of the real mob.

Taking my boys shooting. Gotta practice. I won't go quietly into that good night.

Posted by: MAJ O at August 07, 2009 01:46 PM (bQ4oU)

131 billy-Ray: "We didn't compare Bush to hitler and we didn't need to spread lies."Rob Crawford: "The irony lying, you cannot cut it with a chainsaw."


Sorry, but that needed a tweak.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 07, 2009 01:46 PM (JamGx)

132 Let's see - IF you have health care, you get to keep it. No one takes it away.
That's not what the House bill says. Why are you arguing against what people have read in the actual text of the bill?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 07, 2009 01:46 PM (IuKAf)

133 Still, I guess with the unemployment rate falling, you doom and
gloomers have nothing to lose by dragging granny along to your circus.


How many jobs were lost last month? Can you explain how a net decrease in jobs can result in a decrease in the employment rate? Hint: Look at the posts below.

I promise I won't come in your mouth.

Posted by: rls at August 07, 2009 01:46 PM (gpGpT)

134 Ace, do you know what has been revelatory for me in the videos? The GOP seems to be homogeneously composed of fat middleaged angry white people.
I don't think they are protesting healthcare reform....they are protesting Obama, and healthcare, like birtherism, is just a surrogate.
I don't think that having the conservative base devolve to the make-up of a Klan rally is good for the long term health of the party.
They really need healthcare.
lawls.

Posted by: nishizono-shinji at August 07, 2009 01:46 PM (uHpr7)

135 I'm tanned rested and ready. Call me anytime.
Posted by: The Long Hot Summer
We'll see about that, buddy.
Oh. And sod off, billy-gay.

Posted by: No Sun Spots at August 07, 2009 01:47 PM (l1f4+)

136 @72 Billy Bobo,your assuming the gov't will keep their word...if you trust the gov't more than yourself then we can't help you here, you just don't get it...its about individualliberty and personal responsibility.
By the way,like your favorite whako racist of the week, lou dobbs...I'm married to a wisa latina woman too.
Doyou have a barka-lounger or a chase lounge next to your mail box??

Posted by: dananjcon at August 07, 2009 01:47 PM (1B81L)

137
lol!

How soon they forget when Stewie on Family Guy wore a Nazi uniform with a McCain/Palin campaign button.

Posted by: Tweety Ray Leonard at August 07, 2009 01:47 PM (jVldi)

138 How much of Cigna CEO Stan Hanway's $12.2 million-dollar-per-year
salary and $73 Million-Dollar retirement bonus is going to lawsuits?
Who gives a rat's ass?

The guy's earning what the market will pay him for the job he's doing.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 07, 2009 01:48 PM (IuKAf)

139 What we are witnessing is, I now believe, the inevitable result of believing that there was ever anything in the so-called social contract for the individual.

Under the social contract, what are your (the individual's) obligations to society?

Whatever society says they are.

What are society's obligations to you?

Whatever society says they are.
I fell for it too. I am truly sorry.

Posted by: Ken at August 07, 2009 01:48 PM (arEOF)

140
Don't forget Prescott Bush was a Nazi.

And so was Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Oh, and the Pope Benedict!

All Nazis.

Posted by: Tweety Ray Leonard at August 07, 2009 01:48 PM (jVldi)

141 Heather Radish are you a liberal democrat troll?

I'm a man-made disaster!

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 07, 2009 01:48 PM (NtiET)

142 #127, start with this one and there are pages on you tube.

Posted by: muffy at August 07, 2009 01:48 PM (p302b)

143 47
Even though I was a soldier once and young I am still mentaly and
physicaly fit and trained in self defense. Should I allow physical
violence to occur or wade into the melee and become one of them? Do I
do Ghandi or Ghengis?


B

Posted by: tygart at August 07, 2009 01:49 PM (kZoC3)

144 Billy Ray, what DOES Axelrod's ass taste like?

Posted by: Amor de Cosmos at August 07, 2009 01:50 PM (mwsWE)

145 Gee, if CEO pay and insurance company profits are the bogeyman, then why is it so hard to get Democrats to support the co-op plan? The Blue Dogs are in. The progressive caucus is the die hard rigid force here.

People will support change as long as they continue to have a say in how it changes and what is created thereafter. A plan controlled by Uncle Sam is going to be impossible to reform and adhere to changing conditions. Medicare and Medicaid do not adapt to change. You have to damn near create a legislative revolution to reform them.

Posted by: WTF Capital Investments at August 07, 2009 01:50 PM (GtYrq)

146 Just when ya' think the ammo shortage is winding down , here comes this shit .

Posted by: awkward davies at August 07, 2009 01:50 PM (wb68R)

147 Does anyone know how I can become a union thug's bitch? That would be pretty hawt.

Posted by: poon at August 07, 2009 01:50 PM (i31Zq)

148 #134 -- STFU, nishi.

Folks, "nishizono-shinji" is a delusional, fascist little O-bot who desperately wants to have the power of life and death over "lesser breeds". She's a friendless little twenty-something white girl who can't tell the difference between whatever SF novel she's currently struggling to read and reality.

The "Republican are just white idiots" line is one of her verbal tics.

And, again, I ask -- IS THERE A TROLLBUSTER FOR ACE OF SPADES?!

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 07, 2009 01:51 PM (IuKAf)

149 Normal Americans accept that the Stimulus Bill has done it's work...
That's not what the President says. He says we can't expect to see it working yet.

You can't even keep your talking points straight, can you?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 07, 2009 01:52 PM (IuKAf)

150 Ace, do you know what has been revelatory for me in the videos? The GOP seems to be homogeneously composed of fat middleaged angry white people.
I don't think that having the conservative base devolve to the make-up of a Klan rally is good for the long term health of the party.
Posted by: nishizono-shinji at August 07, 2009 01:46 PM (uHpr7)
Yes,the 38 year old conservative black guy in St. Louis who got stomped by a union thug is in reality a midde aged white person who is perfect for the Klan. And of course it's okay for a Democrat senator to have been an actually member of the Klan. Do you know what's revelatory to me? You're a fucking idiot.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:53 PM (1Jaio)

151 Normal Americans accept that the Stimulus Bill has done it's work and the unemployment rate is now falling.

Minor bump before stagnation or unemployment raising again next month.

I bet you your next check from Axlerod.


Posted by: Dave C at August 07, 2009 01:53 PM (La0Tt)

152 Is that the same nishi as at protein wisdom ? Man she was an asshole . Ask her for her views on mental retardation and the youngest of the Palin brood .

Posted by: awkward davies at August 07, 2009 01:54 PM (wb68R)

153 105
Medicaid is government -run health care and people are pretty happy about it.
No, we should get rid of all government run healthcare you stupid poon.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:55 PM (ENGMe)

154 Normal Americans accept that the Stimulus Bill has done it's work and the unemployment rate is now falling.They also understand the extreme right has turned into a permanent whining underclass.Dow's up another 171 points today...please stay out of the market.
Posted by: Organized Mob at August 07, 2009 01:50 PM (i31Zq)
Yes and the temperature on Venus proves global warming climate change.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:55 PM (1Jaio)

155 Normal Americans accept that the Stimulus Bill has done it's work...That's not what the President says. He says we can't expect to see it working yet.


*straightface* Maybe the President isn't a Normal-American.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 07, 2009 01:55 PM (NtiET)

156 Normal Americans accept that the Stimulus Bill has done it's work and the unemployment rate is now falling.

Gee....if that is the case, since it has "done its work" (note the correct pronoun), all 4% of it that has been put into the economy, you would have no objection to repealing the remaining 96%.

What a shallow idiot you are......and you still didn't answer the math question. I know.....math is HARD!

Posted by: rls at August 07, 2009 01:56 PM (gpGpT)

157 These liberal cock suckers can eat a donkey dick. The GOP isn't paying me to oppose obummers hellcare plan or harass dems, I gladly do that for free.
What's that Miss Boxer? Those who oppose are too well dressed? HAHA I got news for you bitch, I don't own any nice clothes, I front a metal band, my hair is literally down to my ass. So I guess I'm supposed to be a thumb sucking, whining liberal bitch? Is that what you're saying Miss Boxer?
Although I do drive a gas guzzling, environment killing '88 k5 Blazer and like to run those little Prius driving pussies off the road when I get a chance. So maybe Miss Boxer wouldn't like me too much.

Posted by: Axe Slinger at August 07, 2009 01:56 PM (StCHl)

158 They want to grab 16% of the GNP. The insurance companies go under and all those people out of work at the same time isgovernment expanding. The TAXPAYERS cannot carry the burden anymore. A normal leader would be trying to calm people that are scared, this asshole tells them they are nothing and wants to push them out of the way. Sadly, I think this country had to see it up close and personal for them to believe it.
Hurricane.

Posted by: madamex at August 07, 2009 01:56 PM (WSmXJ)

159 Dow's up another 171 points today...please stay out of the market.

Posted by: Organized Mob at August 07, 2009 01:50 PM (i31Zq)

Master of economics that you are, you must be making a killing then.

What are you pulling down these days?

Posted by: Dave C at August 07, 2009 01:56 PM (La0Tt)

160 Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:55 PM (ENGMe)
My that's really clever of you.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:56 PM (1Jaio)

161 I like the trolls. They give voice to protests from the wrong side. They usually are weak of argument and mind. Beating up on retards is easy work, but any work out helps. I think ace keeps them around because they help focus arguments.

Posted by: MAJ O at August 07, 2009 01:57 PM (bQ4oU)

162 leave the trolls alone, they make me laugh and hurl.
depressed anorexic comic

Posted by: dananjcon at August 07, 2009 01:58 PM (1B81L)

163 Posted by: Organized Mob at August 07, 2009 01:50 PM (i31Zq)
What are you pulling down these days?
Posted by: Dave C at August 07, 2009 01:56 PM (La0Tt)
Probably a couple of underaged boys.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:58 PM (1Jaio)

164 I think ace keeps them around because they help focus arguments.

Posted by: MAJ O

And good for the entertainment value too.

Posted by: Dave C at August 07, 2009 01:59 PM (La0Tt)

165 The cry of 'racist' is a admission that we're winning.

However, that leftard pushing that man in Ybor wasn't just angry at someone disagreeing with the health care reform. She was trying to provoke him.

Be careful people. They are looking for things to get physical so the Dem-Dem's can justify screening attendance at the meetings.

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at August 07, 2009 02:00 PM (kIjlp)

166 Probably the pants of a couple of underaged boys.

Fixed that for you.

Posted by: rls at August 07, 2009 02:01 PM (gpGpT)

167 IS THERE A TROLLBUSTER FOR ACE OF SPADES?!
Yes, but that's reserved for the truly vile or spammers and not the little turds like billy-fey and nishiti.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2009 02:01 PM (l1f4+)

168 139 What we are witnessing is, I now believe, the inevitable result of believing that there was ever anything in the so-called social contract for the individual.Under the social contract, what are your (the individual's) obligations to society?Whatever society says they are.What are society's obligations to you?Whatever society says they are.I fell for it too. I am truly sorry.

I'm getting to the point where i really believe we are a facist nation. Our media lost objectivity long ago, during the election they became cheerleaders and advocates, but this? This seems criminal to me. This is pravda/isvestia. I realize most people that want to can find the truth on the internet, but what about those people who still watch the big 3 networks to get their news. We all know that it will be framed as "Violence between the right and left" and not what it has been in reality or is even plain to see in the videos which is "SEIU and other Unions attack citizens". We truely as falling into something different. I don't remember any of this stuff happening during hillary care in the 1990s. I don't remember this stuff during the 2000 election. I have never in my life (25years) seen political violence like this incited not AGAINST the government in the 1960s, but BY the government and its allies. Also the media, while always biased, has never been such an arm of one political party. Again i know they always lean democrat, but this is journalist fraud. The country hasn't seen it this bad since William Randolf Hearst.
I am really worried about this stuff, and to be honest, angry. I feel like there is no going back. I know the Left complained about Bush, and while i wasn't a huge fan, he never sent "shock troops" to attack anti war protesters. During the run up to the Iraq war he never told the public to report on people spreading "disinformation" against the possible reasons for invading Iraq. Bush, while a reckless spender, didn't aim to nationalize industries. TARP was created under the concept that the companies would pay the money back and the government would then no longer have any power over those businesses. Obama is going to nationalize some 15 percent of our economy, without plans to ever get it back. On the contrary it appears as though once they get a foot in the door that they will push their way through entirely. Obama broke bankruptcy laws to ensure the government and UAW gained controll of GM at the expense of the secured debt holders and ther tax payers. GM will NEVER be able to buy its ownership back from the government, but that clearly was the plan all along.
I could go on for pages, but I am genuinely concerned. At the beginning of the OBama admin, i felt my concern was like that of the Left wing during the Bush admin, essentially that he was damaging our country, however i am getting to the point where I think Obama is going to make changes that we will never be able to undo. Think of all the shit FDR did that we haven't gotten rid of 70 years later.
this is bad

Posted by: Ben at August 07, 2009 02:01 PM (wuv1c)

169 Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:55 PM (ENGMe)
Well it's our old pal Jerome. Another Think Progress stooge. Very clever of you Jerry you have everyone fooled.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 02:01 PM (1Jaio)

170 base devolve to the make-up of a Klan rally is good for the long term health of the party.
You called, nishizono-shinji? And you really are white, aren't you? Or I won't be able to help you out.

Posted by: Senator-Kleagle Robert Byrd (D-once in, never out) at August 07, 2009 02:03 PM (l1f4+)

171 Martial. Looks much like Marital. Coincedence?

Posted by: Jonathon E. at August 07, 2009 02:04 PM (dQdrY)

172 169
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 01:55 PM (1Jaio)
Well it's our old pal Jerome. Another Think Progress stooge. Very clever of you Jerry you have everyone fooled.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 02:04 PM (ENGMe)

173 Normal Americans accept that the Stimulus Bill has done it's work
Ok, so I guess only 25% of U.S. voters are normal, according organized mob's argument.
http://tinyurl.com/mgbnxt

Posted by: Ginger at August 07, 2009 02:05 PM (MDuh7)

174 Hello Ace and Ace of Spades denizens. I'd like to introduce myself - I'm your camp coordinator. I'll be helping you adjust to your new environs and ensure that your re-education is as quick and successful as possible.

If you have any questions I want you to shut the fuck up.

Please for a line to the left and you will be processes shortly.

Now, lets have morning prayer: "Dear Leader has given us this day our daily bread..."

Posted by: Your Friendly DHS Camp Coordinator at August 07, 2009 02:06 PM (4pdbX)

175 Thanks, Ace, for writing this and expressing what I'm thinking (but too lazy and/or inarticulate to say).

Nail. Head. BOOM.

Also, it looks like Axelrod has the big astroturfing machine cranked up to 11 today. Whassamatta, lefties? Worried that the American people might not be swallowing your bullshit after all?

Civil War 2.0. I fear it's coming. I don't see any other way to rid ourselves of these poisonous, traitorous bastards.

Posted by: tsj017 at August 07, 2009 02:06 PM (4YUWF)

176 "Racism:
And yes. this uprising against the president is all the more easier in a country of entitled white racists."

Racism is a copyrighted property of the Democratic party.


Posted by: N. O'Brain at August 07, 2009 02:07 PM (ibOVz)

177
That's funny cuz 3 weeks ago they were explaining to us how the Stimulus Act will take one-to-two years to stimulate the economy.

Posted by: Tweety Ray Leonard at August 07, 2009 02:08 PM (jVldi)

178 I'm in shock too Ace. One source of comfort is that I think the Democrats have overreached and they are only engendering rage in the moderates and independents now too - as well as some Democrats who now realize that they don't belong to the party of openness and debate.

Posted by: Bald Ninja at August 07, 2009 02:08 PM (4pdbX)

179 Hey, keep me out of this.

Posted by: Marshall Law at August 07, 2009 02:09 PM (l1f4+)

180 "Normal Americans accept that the Stimulus Bill has done it's work and the unemployment rate is now falling."

Except that, you know, it's not.

So stop lying.

Posted by: N. O'Brain at August 07, 2009 02:10 PM (ibOVz)

181 Nishi: I'm so glad we have a truth teller like you on here to tell us about your Leftist fantasies.

Posted by: Amor de Cosmos at August 07, 2009 02:11 PM (mwsWE)

182 Normal Americans accept that the Stimulus Bill has done it's work

I suspect you don't really know much about Normal Americans.Or apostrophes.

Posted by: tsj017 at August 07, 2009 02:13 PM (4YUWF)

183 Amaryllis,
UAB, huh? My office is nearby. I've seen others here hint at being in Central, AL. Might need to have a moron meetup sometime.
I'm tempted to do the meetings but I cannot fake it well enough to get where you plan to.
Besides, I have to get back to the reloading bench in light of these new developments.

Posted by: Scott J. at August 07, 2009 02:13 PM (/bVuS)

184 cuzevery girl crazy bout a sharp dressed mob

Posted by: LaceyUnderalls at August 07, 2009 02:13 PM (pLTLS)

185 184 cuzevery girl crazy bout a sharp dressed mob
Posted by: LaceyUnderalls at August 07, 2009 02:13 PM (pLTLS)
If that's true let me get out my tie and assless chaps and let's get this mobscene going.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 07, 2009 02:18 PM (ENGMe)

186

Yes, but that's reserved for the truly vile or spammers and not the little turds like billy-fey and nishiti.



No, no. I'm talking about a Greasemonkey script that acts like a classic Usenet killfile. You can block out certain commenters; the script collapses their comment to just "Blocked".
First one I knew about was at Proteinwisdom; JustOneMinute supports this one:
http://tinyurl.com/ygsm67
It makes commenting much more fun.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at August 07, 2009 02:20 PM (IuKAf)

187 rangel better fire up the conscription bill pronto.I don't think he has his kind of fighters that would take any orders to put this down right now.

Posted by: tygart at August 07, 2009 02:21 PM (kZoC3)

188 @168 Ben,
I don't think we are there as a facist nation yet. After all, we are -so far- still "allowed" to show up and protest or make our views known without fear of being arrested.
But I think you make some very good points andraise very valid concerns. I remember when Clinton was President.I disagreed with most of his policies and what he was trying to do. But I never thought they were really going to be able to institute any truly radical ideas (partly because of some Republican control in govt. at the time), and some ofwhat they were doing was almost humorous in a way. And despite his leftist background, I never really thought the man disliked his own country; and as I recall, he never hesitated to debate Republicans and engage them. We just did not share the same vision, and that was OK.
It is a totally different feeling now. I believe Obama believes a socialist model is where we need to go, and he is driving the train right over anyone who dares get in the way. There is a possibility that within a year or two of his taking office we could wake up and see ourselves irreversably transformed into a country headed for European style socialism. As many have said, healthcare is the ballgame. He wins that, he's WON. If he loses, well, he's going to be running uphill for a while.

Posted by: RM at August 07, 2009 02:23 PM (1kwr2)

189 I said earlier on another thread that The Scariest Hour of the Day is the Glen Beck show.

But it's also the only place you'll hear about all this crazy shit going down.

And Glen did say yesterday that his viewers are his "witnesses" in case something "fishy" happens to him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh! at August 07, 2009 02:27 PM (UOM48)

190 Where's TB? Billy Bob is one of those trolls that get deliciously agitated when the rewrites start.


Posted by: I need a dancing monkey this afternoon. at August 07, 2009 02:27 PM (PD1tk)

191 Ben beat me to it at 168.

Can we say it now? The party of the tin-plated, jug-eared megalomaniac currently burning public money and the Bill of Rights in the White House is a fascist party.

Period. End of story. If there isn't huge, widely visible public resistance to the deliberate denial of the 1st Amendment, specifically the right to assemble peaceably and petition the government for redress of grievances, what lesson will the Fascist Party (D-Blue State) draw?

This will encourage the Fascist Party to usurp more and more power. This will accelerate.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 07, 2009 02:29 PM (AZGON)

192 As a longtime Concerned Christian and ConservativeI cannot believe how incredibly obtuse my fellow Conservatives are. I mean really, didn't Jesus tell us in the Bible to plunge the republic into even more unsustainable debt so that we could have even more social engineering. Of course, only a neoConfederate hating on a black man could possibly have any objection to such a plan to bring the Kingdom of Heaven to earth.
BTW, I do so not work for David Axelrod or think Jeaneane Garofolo is edgy and cute or that Keith Olbermann is the smartest man alive.

Posted by: Liberal Troll at August 07, 2009 02:32 PM (mwsWE)

193 If anyone is in the St. Louis area tomorrow, you might be interested in this:

http://tinyurl.com/b5kjz9

The St. Louis Tea Party will hold a press conference and peaceable protest at SEIU Headquarters


5585 Pershing Ave., Suite 130, St. Louis, MO 63112 at
Noon Saturday, August 8, 2009.

Posted by: Tami at August 07, 2009 02:37 PM (VuLos)

194 Excellent post, Ace. It truly is breathtaking. I would also say heartbreaking.

Posted by: Adrienne at August 07, 2009 02:39 PM (gnevw)

195 Medicaid is government -run health care and people are pretty happy about it. - billy ray

You never go full retard, boy.

Posted by: wiserbud at August 07, 2009 02:44 PM (wWwJR)

196 tomorrow i will be handing out socialist portraits at the microbrew festivus.

Posted by: white punk at August 07, 2009 02:46 PM (CIUOD)

197 I tell you, conservatives just love playing victim. One SEIU guy or two gets out of line (maybe, since the video shows the aftermath only) and suddenly the whole left is apparently composed of thugs. meanwhile, you could check out literally dozens of videos online of conservative protesters shutting down any meaningful dialogue basically just hounding speakers. when I was a young conservative, i never would have defended such obviously undemocratic behavior.

the left protests have most defnitely not been treated like a bunch of "grandmas with strollers". thats pure ignorance. cages, mass arrests, beatings by the police, tear-gas, you name it. the MSM, barely covered the protests, just the occasional wacky conspiracy theorist or black bloc actions done by the extreme minority. In reality, all kinds of people attened the Iraq war protest, grandmas included, making for the largest world-wide protest in history. these people were right, bush was rushing to war.

and hey, they weren't organized with lots of help by a group (Patients for Conservative Rights) run by a former HCA ceo that defrauded our government for over a decade and had to pay 1.7 billion, the largest fine in U.S. history. yeah, they are really looking out for you!

but I wont say like some lib blogs that the protests are all made up. clearly some earnest and honest people are showing up. unfortunately, most seem to get their hard policy facts from entertainers like glenn beck and rush limbaugh.

Posted by: mars at August 07, 2009 02:46 PM (o1QlA)

198 Back in the heyday of the tasteless "vigils" that Code Pink held outside of WRAMC the SEIU wouldpay it's members to go there to help the pinkos fill out their ranks. I've been told you could tell who the SEIUhacks were because they always punched out at 8 PM sharp. Thank God the Freepersstarted to counter protest and they always remained long after the Pinkos and theirhired hands cleared off.

Posted by: muggedbyreality at August 07, 2009 02:46 PM (Kpo6x)

199 Wouldn't it be breat if Emanuel sent his brownshirts to Texas, and as they try to seize control of a town hall with thuggery suddenly find themselves surrounded by a Texans with guns drawn?

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 07, 2009 02:46 PM (kzhuA)

200 Ace, do you know what has been revelatory for me in the videos? The GOP
seems to be homogeneously composed of fat middleaged angry white
people.
I don't think they are protesting healthcare reform....they are
protesting Obama, and healthcare, like birtherism, is just a surrogate.
I don't think that having the conservative base devolve to the
make-up of a Klan rally is good for the long term health of the party.

They really need healthcare.


Fuck you, you racist, elitist bastard.

Posted by: Derak at August 07, 2009 02:46 PM (ILFf3)

201 At what point does violence become acceptable as a response? The Left is already using it, and, given the rhetoric that they are using along with it, it's going to get stronger. I know the Right generally finds that even Queensbury rules are uncouth and loutish, but at some point, fighting back actually requires - you know - actual fighting.
Not encouraging it, just asking at what point it does become legit.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 07, 2009 02:47 PM (aJ6rs)

202 197- oh, lookey there! yet another troll! They're melting down, I tell ya.

Posted by: Derak at August 07, 2009 02:50 PM (ILFf3)

203 Hey, keep me out of this.

Posted by: Marshall Law at August 07, 2009 02:09 PM (l1f4+)

Don't drag me into this either.

Posted by: Marital Law (formerly Steak and BJ Day) at August 07, 2009 02:50 PM (ZXGQD)

204 @194 - well said and ditto.

Posted by: Trish at August 07, 2009 02:52 PM (0U5Kd)

205 197- oh, lookey there! yet another troll! They're melting down, I tell ya.

I've seen many videos of these "protests". melting down would be an adequate term. conservatives typically deplore such tactics, and rightly so. I guess that was never a genuine sentiment. just tribal group think.

Posted by: mars at August 07, 2009 02:58 PM (o1QlA)

206 How much of Cigna CEO Stan Hanway's $12.2 million-dollar-per-year
salary and $73 Million-Dollar retirement bonus is going to lawsuits?

And here we see the emotional appeal of Leftism in a nutshell. Someone, somewhere, is making some decent scratch.... and it just Hurts.. So.... Much!!!

Discussion question: how much of liberal "principles" boil down to resentment at people making more than they do? Is it:

a) 98%
b) 99%
c) 99.8%
or
d) 99.999999%

?

Posted by: bullfrog at August 07, 2009 03:16 PM (K/e/T)

207 I tell you, conservatives just love playing victim. One SEIU guy or two gets out of line (maybe, since the video shows the aftermath only) and suddenly the whole left is apparently composed of thugs.-mars

And the SEIU guys were there with their union uniforms onbecause why?

Posted by: Speller at August 07, 2009 03:18 PM (fh5Oy)

208 I must confess that I did not know Brooks Brothers sold so many jeans, capris and shorts.
If it was just regular people disagreeing you might expect to see a little back and forth yelling, maybe some pushingt. People do have strong opinions and tempers get frayed.
However, it upsets me to see video of people in T shirts advertising that they are union members. Maybe they aren't as clever at disguising themselves in khaki and denim as the right-wing drooling mobs.
I'm not usually much for conspiracy plots, but it is unnerving to think that the organization on the left is trying to create violence to make those who have real concerns look like lunatics. The people in these videos look just like the people I see everyday at the grocery store, Walmart, work, etc.
The President has again shown that he is incapable of leading an entire nation. He wants to keep us all divided by giving everything some sort of lable: racist, thugs, mobs, Latino-American, African-American, rightwinguts, etc.
I am also not much into going to rallies, but I am looking for one now! Pity my husband outgrew his Brooks Bothers suit.

Posted by: hippieforlife at August 07, 2009 03:20 PM (munQ3)

209 Scott J (183)
Yeah UAB – which is as blue as you can get. Ten years ago, I ended up quitting my PhD program due to the harassment I experienced as being a lone conservative within the department on this campus. It was the best decision that I ever made even though I am still working among the blue people. You don’t work for the county or city, do you?

It will be tough to bite my tongue at the “listening” tour but I am going to keep my head down and not offer my opinion unless or until I can get a microphone. I am a pretty shy person but this has really fired me up and I am tired of silently sitting back.

I have been working on my dad to reload for me and just recently he told me to start collecting my brass. Of course, that is probably because my mother goes through his ammo faster than he can buy it for her.

I would love to have a moron meet-up here in Alabama. Heck I was thinking of going to the next Atlanta one so I am even willing to drive a few hours to meet-up with like minded folks.

Posted by: Amaryllis at August 07, 2009 03:29 PM (JhlFi)

210 @170: "You called, nishizono-shinji? And you really are white, aren't you? Or I won't be able to help you out."
Posted by: Senator-Kleagle Robert Byrd (D-once in, never out) at August 07, 2009 02:03 PM (l1f4+)
---------------------------------------
You are free to help the frauelein, Herr Senator. Remember, I named the Japanese as honorary Aryans.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler at August 07, 2009 03:38 PM (aJ6rs)

211 unfortunately, most seem to get their hard policy facts from entertainers like glenn beck and rush limbaugh
And where did your talking points come from, butthead?
Axelrod, inventor of Astroturf? Some SEIU union thug with, umm real connections to the real mob? It couldn't be that these folks have legitimate questions for their elected representatives, could it?

Posted by: bryan at August 07, 2009 03:42 PM (W3XUk)

212 I keep on hearing this, "We can't have a discussion because we keep getting shouted down." line from the democrats.
News flash... People have read the bill. When you have not read the bill and try to misslead them with outright lies and missleading talking points that were given to you by people that either also haven't read the bill; or have and lied to you, people are going to stop you from trying to spread those lies.

Posted by: theBman - obviously confused and disoriented at August 07, 2009 03:52 PM (/vN7m)

213 Jeez. Who cares what race Obama is?

I just want a job after I graduate! Or is that too much of a greedy/conservative/republican/racist idea for the liberals to fathom?

For God's sake, why can't trolls understand that this isn't about the president himself or his race, but about his irrational ideals and poorly designed plans that will end up downgrading our nation and its well-being even further?!? Funny how not a single troller addresses the supposed GOOD things about the current abysmal policy proposals like the healthcare bill.

Instead, since said policies are both socially and economically damaging, they revert to calling conservatives racist, and then IMMEDIATELY proceed to stereotype all other responses as white upper middle-class. WOW. Who the hell is racist here!?

Honestly though, what fucking good is college if I graduate in a year and a half and our past policies have eliminated so many jobs that I can't get one to pay off my student loans? How progressive and forward thinking can liberals be if they hang America's next college graduates out to dry? Sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards.

Trollers: I don't care if you're liberals, that's your choice. But when you're accusatory idiots that say I'm racist just because I want a greater chance for a JOB, please go bother somebody else.

Posted by: Typical College Kid at August 07, 2009 04:25 PM (llma4)

214 209, Jeebus! You don't work in nursing and live Northeast of town do you?
You sound like an ex-girlfriend who happens to work there but I never figured her for reading a righty blog.
I work private sector but would rather not say where.

Posted by: Scott J. at August 07, 2009 04:47 PM (/bVuS)

215 Don't be so incredulous, Ace. All the reporters fear they'll be laid off soon, and they're terrified they won't have health coverage.
You know, the way people didn't have health coverage for 100,000+ years of human existence.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at August 07, 2009 04:52 PM (2QFX4)

216 Scott J.
Ha, I am an RN but I don’t think I am your ex-girlfriend. I did go out with a Scott a couple of times last year. Did you take this nurse to the comedy club? I work in research (use my masters degree in epidemiology) and use my RN degree on the weekends. I have that pesky belief in personal responsibility and paying my own way through life. Also I have a dream of being debt free (mortgage included) in the next 3-4 years and my chocolate lab is a demanding brat!

I was curious about your job simply due to the massive county layoffs that have occurred this week. I have recently given up listening to my favorite 80s radio station to listen to talk radio and I am just getting up to speed with what is going on in Jefferson county. What complete idiots! Why was Langford elected as Mayor? Wasn’t he already considered pretty shady before the election?

Posted by: Amaryllis at August 07, 2009 05:10 PM (JhlFi)

217 216, ancient history. She and I dated in high school over 20 years ago but I bet you know her.
How long have you lived in this area? If more than about 10 years then the elections in Jefferson Co. and Birmingham shouldn't surprise you one bit.
I'm so pissed about the occupational tax thing since I live in Shelby County. It's pure taxation without representation.

Posted by: Scott J. at August 07, 2009 05:43 PM (/bVuS)

218 >> I wanted to write this last night but it was so enormously... breathtaking, it's the only word I can think of, I wasn't able to do so.

I like the word "gobsmacking." And cock. But mostly cock.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at August 07, 2009 06:23 PM (sz37A)

219 Scott J,
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I am embarrassed to admit this but I don’t usually pay attention to local politics. The only other time I got motivated about a local issue was when I first moved up to Birmingham for grad school in 1993 when they were trying to get the Dome built (mapes?). I see that this issue has reared its ugly head again. I do know what you mean about Birmingham/Jefferson county issues but surely there is a non-corrupt Democrat that fits all the requirements. Did you hear Sheila Smoot is running for Artur Davis’s seat? Is that scary or what?

We really should have a Birmingham moron meet-up. Who knows there might be more than the two of us in Birmingham? Plus I am the lone gun nut in my social group in Birmingham and it would be nice to have other gun nuts to drag around.

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It is incredible how blind people are, how they can repeat the same f****** mistakes again, they are falling again for the "heaven on earth" scam that socialists and communists have been promising for ever. And its done in the same way, with the same strategy, I feel that I live in a constant deja vu since Obama anounced his candidacy, actually sooner.

I'm also in the state of not being able to say much more than "speechless".
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Everything they worked for - is being taxed and taken away. Now Emanuel's brother - a physician(?) - who promotes rationing care - even rationing/denying care to the elderly - for the benefit of 'society'. Thank god my parents don't live in Oregon - they're lining up the iv's and morphine there...

Illegal aliens have more rights...

Unions serve a purpose - they are way overstepping their bounds...

The mass media - no different than Pravda...

Politicians who are patronizing - who simply are ignoring the concerns of their constitutents - because they have a closer allegiance to a "party" than to the country...

Sounds like Animal Farm...

There are more who will get involved. It will only get worse if they continue to bully Americans...

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They are out-and-out Stalinists, who believe in an all-encompassing State clenched in the iron fist of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Many of them would knowingly and eagerly replace the American government with what they have in North Korea.

They are among the very worst people in the whole world. When the Revolution comes, remember their names and take appropriate measures.

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