Taxing the Middle Class to Pay for More Spending

Well, Damn, You Don't Think I Actually Read This Blog, Do You? See the post below for Drew's thoughts on this and the excerpt from the first link. We excerpted the exact same bit.

Economic illiteracy from ABC News and the Treasury Secretary:

Look at that first sentence. They're back to claiming outright that the U.S. can tax its way to prosperity. Not spoken--perhaps not even considered--is the economic truth that taxes are not good for the economy. Too much dead weight loss. Taxes may be good for a spendcrazy government still looking to pay off supporters, but they are not good for the economy as a whole.

And there is no mention of that other time-honored method for reducing deficits: not spending so much of my money. This way Obama can break his promise that 95% of Americans would see no tax increase and claim with a shrug: "Desperate times..."

Convenient times, too, since the Administration is considering extending unemployment benefits by 13 weeks. At present, unemployment benefits run for 79 weeks in the hardest-hit states (read: blue states). That's a year and a half of weekly payments while the recipient looks for work. That's a year and a half plus 13 weeks where the employed, who pay income taxes, subsidize the unemployed, who do not.

Don't expect much protest from the GOP, though. Jim DeMint already said Republicans will support the extension. Which leaves me wondering what guiding principle leads him to believe that 92 weeks of benefits is okay? If 92 is okay, how about 100? Or lifetime benefits?

I'm being disingenuous. I know very well that DeMint and his fellows are afraid of being framed as "mean and heartless" during the Great Recession. At heart, the problem is not unemployment benefits. The problem is that the government--in the hands of the Democrats--has done little to resolve our economic woes and probably exacerbated the situation. Now there's little choice but to treat symptoms like unemployment instead of the underlying disease.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 12:40 PM

Comments

1 Anyone get the feeling sometimes that this administration hasn't been entirely forthcoming with regard to its plans for the country?

Posted by: Wilhelm Klink at August 02, 2009 12:44 PM (i+bkG)

2 Obama's VooDoo Economics, complete with a curse, a doll, and a dead chicken to nail on your door; take every known way to improve a free market economy, then do the exact opposite.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 02, 2009 12:45 PM (ZGhSv)

3 So, the thing that will get us back to work will be paying people not to work.

Paid for by the people who are working.

Posted by: nickless at August 02, 2009 12:47 PM (MMC8r)

4

Heh, Malor you just stepped all over Drew with this post. It's almost a double of his below.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 12:48 PM (+FzLa)

5 It's almost like.... the contributors don't read the blog..... ; )

Posted by: shibumi at August 02, 2009 12:50 PM (OKZrE)

6 #5

It's almost like.... the contributors don't read the blog..... ; )

But I thought that was just Ace? Could this be the beginning of the onset of chaos?

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at August 02, 2009 12:51 PM (otlXg)

The American people were never in favor of this spending spree and bailout/payoff to Hussein supporters. And these delusional socialist cretins think they're going to convince us that they need to raise our taxes to pay for something we never wanted? DC Whores, if you want to bring down the deficit stop throwing our money away on leftwing bullshit you stupid motherfuckers and cut taxes you backward regressives.

Posted by: The Great Satan™ at August 02, 2009 12:52 PM (71Zq0)

8 But I thought that was just Ace? Could this be the beginning of the onset of chaos?

Either chaos or the 'one story a day covered by multiple posts' era.

Posted by: shibumi at August 02, 2009 12:56 PM (OKZrE)

9 Hey Timmy, how about canceling the rest of the stimulus instead of a tax hike??? Much easier and better for the economy and the middle class don't ya think??? Fucking retard!

Posted by: CDR M at August 02, 2009 12:57 PM (cvmTR)

10 The unemployment insurance here in NY is the only thing keeping me in my apartment. The extension would be great news since it is impossible to find work right now in NYC. Also our benefits are taxed and we don't get that money back, so we do pay income tax on our benefits. If it were so easy to get a job and get off the dole believe me I would in a second. So how about it, if anyone out there is in a position to hire a fellow moron here in NYC, here I am. Ace, you can go ahead and give my email to anyone interested in hiring a smart hardworking church going conservative. Short of that occurrence, this extension is actually desperately needed.

Posted by: Ben at August 02, 2009 12:58 PM (M6EgN)

11

You idiots will never get it. Even McCain has said that Obama's economics work.

Posted by: Clarabell the poon at August 02, 2009 12:59 PM (7+pP9)

12 Economy Saved!

Posted by: Rahm Emanuel at August 02, 2009 01:02 PM (AYVkM)

13 11 The unemployment insurance here in NY is the only thing keeping me in my apartment. The extension would be great news since it is impossible to find work right now in NYC. Also our benefits are taxed and we don't get that money back, so we do pay income tax on our benefits. If it were so easy to get a job and get off the dole believe me I would in a second.

It is the same in Michigan, if not worse. If we extend the unemployment, we're in more debt. If we don't, more people lose their homes. Lose/lose either way.

Worst part about it? Contrary to the state run MSM, I don't see the economy getting any better, so there will have to be more unemployment extensions, since no jobs will be created. In fact, if health care goes through, more jobs will be lost.

Thanks 52%

Posted by: shibumi at August 02, 2009 01:04 PM (OKZrE)

14 Yes, damn those Republicans that won't stop Obama. We sure showed them by not voting for them. Let's really show them and all stay home the next election too. Let's let the Democrats take more and more control until the Republicans finally figure out we're serious about our conservative principles. We're so serious about our conservative principles we'd rather see none of them implemented rather than compromise on a single one.

I know. If we had a 3rd party to vote for that would really show the Republicans. That would teach them. Maybe we can get George Soros to fund a 3rd party for us. He'll help us stick it to those damned Republicans.

Posted by: principled conservative at August 02, 2009 01:04 PM (8zIIG)

15 Don't expect much protest from the GOP, though. Jim DeMint already said Republicans will support the extension.

What were these more serious issues that the GOP would rather talk about than a fucking birth certificate? Obama is hiding it from Americans who have a right to see it. They're not crazy for pushing the issue, and it's not like these Republican moderates are doing anything to halt the relentless march toward socialism underfoot in this country.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at August 02, 2009 01:04 PM (rrxDo)

16 Gabe, Drew M was first.

Posted by: arhooley at August 02, 2009 01:05 PM (4hn3/)

17
You idiots will never get it. Even McCain has said that Obama's economics work.

Yep, the same McCain who said during the election that he doesn't know a damn thing about economics.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 01:05 PM (+FzLa)

18
The current economic recovery will provide enough increased revenue to balance the budget.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. Spending has gone up at a rate greater than any other time in our nation's history, revenues are still down, and the plan is to raise taxes on the middle class, which will put us further on the backside of the Laffer curve, i.e., further reduce revenues. Yep. We're in the money.

Posted by: XBradTC at August 02, 2009 01:05 PM (DqPCA)

It's like these clowns slept through Econ 101.

Well, Barry didn't sleep through it - hard to sleep when zonked on nose candy

Posted by: The Q at August 02, 2009 01:06 PM (pfStM)

20 Taxing our way to prosperity. By that reckoning, MI and CA should be thriving powerhouses.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:07 PM (cxW4X)

21 The current economic recovery will provide enough increased revenue to balance the budget.

Posted by: Where's Sarah? at August 02, 2009 12:57 PM (i31Zq)

Jesus Fucking H. Christ on a popsicle stick, some moron is going to skewer you for your complete lack of understanding in reality- based budgets and basic economic principles, like how spending money is not saving money or creating money. That's a good place to start right there.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at August 02, 2009 01:10 PM (rrxDo)

22 But, all we need to do is print more money to pay for the spending, right?

Posted by: Poon (the second biggest Emo Git on AoSHQ) at August 02, 2009 01:10 PM (otlXg)

23 wahhhh wahhhh!!!

Posted by: Little poon the left wing diaper baby at August 02, 2009 01:11 PM (i31Zq)

24 Taxes may be good for a spendcrazy government still looking to pay off supporters, but they are not good for the economy as a whole.

Huh??? I don't understand... those are the same thing, right?

Posted by: Timmy Geithner at August 02, 2009 01:12 PM (2jQGY)

25 #20

Taxing our way to prosperity. By that reckoning, MI and CA should be thriving powerhouses.

They would be, if the damn Bush Administration had let embryonic stem cell research be federally funded.

/Us Axelrod trolls love non-sequiturs.

Posted by: Poon (the second biggest Emo Git on AoSHQ) at August 02, 2009 01:12 PM (otlXg)

26 Balanced budget????

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

That's the funniest shit I've heard in weeks. Largest deficits in US history, proposals to add TRILLIONS in Health Care spending, and he's talking about Balanced Budgets.

You don't think you pay enough taxes, Axelbot, the US Treasury is ready to take your check at any time.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:13 PM (cxW4X)

27 even tho two posts, neither of you geniuses posted the actual estimate of cost of the "second stimulus" - SEVENTY BILLION

70 billion to extend unemployment benefits - all the axelfraud White House "officials" all agreed we "must" do this.

President Barack Obama’s top economic officials said in interviews aired Sunday that the administration may support an extension in unemployment benefits.

Some on Capitol Hill view that as a second stimulus package, although it is unlikely to be billed that way, because of rising concern about government spending.

and, of course, it will cost 70 billion - but dont worry it will only be a temporary cost.

Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat of Washington and chairman of the House Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, said he would introduce a bill in September to provide yet another 13 weeks of coverage in states with unemployment rates of 9 percent or higher. “Legislators will line up quickly when they start getting calls from desperate constituents,” he said in a telephone interview.

The cost would be $40 billion to $70 billion, but the expense would be temporary, Mr. McDermott said.

Some business groups remain skeptical. Douglas Holmes, president of UWC, a group in Washington that represents businesses on unemployment issues, said that there were early glimmers of economic progress and that it was premature to extend benefits again. The money might be better spent, Mr. Holmes said, creating jobs and training people to move into emerging industries.

Traditionally, many economists have been leery of prolonged unemployment benefits because they can reduce the incentive to seek work.

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 02, 2009 01:14 PM (5r0Tz)

28 o

Posted by: Kid at August 02, 2009 01:14 PM (6QZ7V)

what qualifies as middle class? i think i am middle class but i am not sure?

Is it 35-80 thousand a year, then everyone below that is lower class and above is upper class?

i've never given it much thought. i just assume upper class is 100K plus. I think the per capita income is 44K

Let me know I need to get a heads up if i am going to be ass rapped. Sad thing is I use turbo tax. Got money back last year, but then again it was all my money in the first place. If taxes rise on me i will have to find ways to get write downs, like putting money into my IRA or something

Posted by: Ben at August 02, 2009 01:14 PM (f0I0I)

30 Looks like Obama will have to drag you big-spending Republicans kicking and screaming towards a balanced budget just like Clinton had to.

You do realize that every penny of spending under Obama has been with the approval of a Democrat majority in both houses of Congress, and the Republicans couldn't stop it if they tried?

Posted by: XBradTC at August 02, 2009 01:16 PM (DqPCA)

31 claiming outright that the U.S. can tax its way to prosperity

Gah! Talk about living in the Age of Surrealism!

Are Americans actually going to suck down such swill?

Posted by: Always On Watch at August 02, 2009 01:16 PM (0aiMA)

32 If Republicans are "big-spending"?

What in the holy hell are Democrats?

I know, I know, the axelbots are only paid to be annoying, not to make sense.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:17 PM (cxW4X)

33 Looks like Obama will have to drag you big-spending Republicans kicking and screaming towards a balanced budget just like Clinton had to.

Tech bubble, much?

And, if you'd like to send a thank-you letter to Newt Gingrich for killing all Clinton's dreams of a big-spending welfare state, I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

Posted by: nickless at August 02, 2009 01:18 PM (MMC8r)

34
Looks like Obama will have to drag you big-spending Republicans kicking and screaming towards a balanced budget just like Clinton had to.

It was the GOP that took over both houses in '94 that had to drag Clinton kicking and screaming towards a balanced budget and welfare reform otherwise he was poised and ready to ram all of his socialist wet dreams down everyones throats like Hillary-Care.

Ironically it was the kerfufle over Hillary-Care that helped usher in the GOP takeover, sound familiar ?

Being completely divorced from reality and a big fan of alternative history, I totally understand your lack of logic and sympathize with your parents for throwing all that money away on your higher education.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 01:20 PM (+FzLa)

35 wahhhh!!! my daddy didn't love me enough!

Posted by: Little poon the left wing diaper baby at August 02, 2009 01:20 PM (i31Zq)

The unemployment insurance here in NY is the only thing keeping me in my apartment. The extension would be great news since it is impossible to find work right now in NYC. Also our benefits are taxed and we don't get that money back, so we do pay income tax on our benefits. If it were so easy to get a job and get off the dole believe me I would in a second.

I sympathize, but why can't you move out of NYC, you are choosing to live in one of the most expensive cities on the entire planet. Can't you move to new jersey or outside of the city itself, look for work, and save yourself some cash.

Posted by: Ben at August 02, 2009 01:21 PM (f0I0I)

37 Yes, I'm sure, had it passed, HillaryCare would have gone a long way to balancing the budget.

You can send your thanks to Newt and Co., maybe they'll frame it.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:22 PM (cxW4X)

38 Brilliant analysis there, Axelpoon.

You and your ilk have enough projection to open a chain of movie theaters.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:23 PM (cxW4X)

39 Sure. Keep telling yourself that.
Looks like Obama will have to drag you big-spending Republicans kicking and screaming towards a balanced budget just like Clinton had to.
Whatever will you guys find to shriek about now that the economy is recovering?Posted by: Where's Sarah? at August 02, 2009 01:11 PM (i31Zq)

Your so fucking stupid on every subject you post on, now your just laughs.
If plain steele is now called dum dum you should be called just plain stupid.

Posted by: YIKES! at August 02, 2009 01:25 PM (tFrIQ)

40 Yet another "conservative" who'd packaged all his hatred for his liberal father into a book and was peddling it to similar daddy haters.

Posted by: Where's Sarah? at August 02, 2009 01:20 PM (i31Zq)

Imagine that! A party that doesn't eulogize and celebrate dead beat dads like President Son of a Goat Fucker. Spare us all your amateur psychobabble and quit dressing up as your dead mother and sodomizing her stinking corpse, you deranged nanny statist.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at August 02, 2009 01:25 PM (rrxDo)

41 #38

Or they do enough fellating of Messiah to open their own sperm-bank.

(assuming they spit).

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at August 02, 2009 01:26 PM (otlXg)

42 @35

Daddy hating hate hustlers ? Who the fuck are you, Janeane Garawfulo ?

At least we've had the pleasure of knowing our daddies. Most liberal's probably couldn't pick thiers out of a line-up or would have to get Maury to do a DNA test to find out.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 01:26 PM (+FzLa)

43
Economy recovering? With 10% unemployment and GDP still shrinking?

Posted by: Can I get a Unicorn for my Clunker? at August 02, 2009 01:27 PM (ivduN)

44 After getting spanked at the polls in '94, it was only two short years before "The Era of Big Government is Over".

See, Clinton learned, the question will be, is Obama gonna learn from history?

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:27 PM (cxW4X)

Where are you getting 79 weeks from?

In Michigan you get your initial 26 weeks plus a 13 week extension and then another 13 weeks of a second "your state is over 10% unemployment" extension. (That is 52 weeks)

After 1 year you have to re-apply for unemployment because an unemployment year is exactly 1 year from the date you first apply.

They are now denying anyone reapplying for unemployment after being on unemployment for a year because you had no "income" in which to base the unemployment claim on.

I know this because I was denied. Got layed off from Ford in July 08.

Nobody is hiring in the automotive industry right now and if they are they are only hiring with less then 5 years experience because they are cheaper employees. People with experience (I have 16 years as an QE) are not being hired for anything because they know when times get better they will look for a job with more pay and jobs like retail or fast food won't hire you because they know when times get better you will look for a job in your field so they won't waste training someone who is going to leave.

And trust me, that $362 dollars a week I was getting on unemployment is not any incentive to stay at home and live off the goberment.

And moving out of state for a job is not possible right now for my family.

And my story is a common story in Michigan right now.

Rock-Hardplace = me

Posted by: Bowlnduo at August 02, 2009 01:27 PM (nk1j5)

46 #42

Garafalo is funny, though. I laughed so hard when she referred to people attending Tea Parties as "tea-baggers". I wish she was President.

My friend Dummy would also like to fellate her, because those bitching tats of hers are real turn-ons!

Posted by: Poon (the second biggest Emo Git on AoSHQ) at August 02, 2009 01:30 PM (otlXg)

Looks like Obama will have to drag you big-spending Republicans kicking and screaming towards a balanced budget just like Clinton had to.

huh? Clinton balanced the budget with Republican congress. I will give clinton credit, he did the right thing working with the republican house to have a balance budget, but don't neglect the fact that most of the prosperity from the 1990s came from the tech bubble in the same was a lot of the prosperity of the 2000s came froma housing bubble.

I will agree about the "big spending republicans" jibe. I remember in 2004 being so excited thinking a new wave of small government was coming, little did I know that most of the republicans just wanted to supplant the democrats as wasteful spenders.

That is what killed me the most about Bush, were his friggin entitlements and the TARP which paved the way from Obama to get away with Trillions. Bush has a MBA, he should have known better.

The only major federal spending I am fine with is military and structural, none of which made it into the Trillions spent by obama this year.

Posted by: Ben at August 02, 2009 01:31 PM (f0I0I)

48 #44. See, Clinton learned, the question will be, is Obama gonna learn from history

No, I won, bitches! There's nothing else I need to learn that I didn't learn already from the Wise Wright's sermons.

Posted by: "I Won" Obama at August 02, 2009 01:31 PM (otlXg)

49 Isn't it cute how he tries to avoid his ban? It's almost as if he's psychologically dependent on this blog.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:32 PM (cxW4X)

50

You all of have to understand poon to appreciate him. You can sum up his politics pretty much like this.

1. Bash and name call conservatives

2. Never, ever, criticize a Democrat or hold them accountable

3. Bash and name call conservatives.

Just don't ever forget, we're the partisan's.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 01:33 PM (+FzLa)

51 It's almost as if he's psychologically dependent on this blog.

Well, since he ate all of the mushrooms growing on the underside of the porch, we're all he's got!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at August 02, 2009 01:34 PM (aC0uO)

52 You left out the "Make shit up" and "Ignore all contrary evidence" parts.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:34 PM (cxW4X)

53
Isn't it cute how he tries to avoid his ban? It's almost as if he's psychologically dependent on this blog.

Hey, he's got a paycheck riding on it. Plus his skills at the Glory Hole at AxerodHQ more than make up for his incompetence as a troll.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 01:34 PM (+FzLa)

Where's Sarah? at August 02, 2009 01:20 PM (i31Zq)

Poon tries to bring teh funny but falls short. Daddy issues. You should know all about that, right Poonie?

Odd how Poon identifies it as Daddy issues. Project much? When did your Daddy start touching you, Poon? How old were you? I'll bet you still sleep with your lights on because the darkness makes you think of dear old Dad and the sound of a zipper.

Pathetic.

Posted by: jaleach at August 02, 2009 01:35 PM (MZdb5)

Daddie issues.

you mean like chris buckley? or that ballet dancing homo ron reagan?

Posted by: Ben at August 02, 2009 01:36 PM (f0I0I)

56
you mean like chris buckley? or that ballet dancing homo ron reagan?

Hey what about that ballet dancing homo Rahm Emmanuel ?

NTTAWWT.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 01:38 PM (+FzLa)

57 wahhh!!! wahhhhh! wahhhH!!!

Posted by: Little poon the left wing diaper baby at August 02, 2009 01:38 PM (i31Zq)

Why not offer the Chinese a special "Clunkers for Cash" program, where they buy every Congressman and senator for $10 billion each?SThe treasury nets $ 6 trillion, thereby solving our current deficit issues, AND the deal kinda acknowledges the fact that they already own us anyway.

We could throw in the TOTUS as a sweetener.

Posted by: effinayright at August 02, 2009 01:39 PM (kxUpG)

59 I wonder how much having a 3 year moratorium on SS tax even just from the employer end would have helped to actually save jobs?

Posted by: blackrockmarauder at August 02, 2009 01:39 PM (GvgvT)

60 No doubt that we won't see robust growth for a while.

Posted by: blackrockmarauder at August 02, 2009 01:40 PM (GvgvT)

From what i can tell from teh sun talk shows, here is the dem plan for fixing the economy:

Spend trillions on "health care reform" (because prevantitive care for the people who go to mcdonalds 8 times a week will reduce deficits, or something, )

"Invest" billions more in our "schools" and "teachers" and "cops"

Voila! Problem solved!

Posted by: TMF at August 02, 2009 01:41 PM (mPm/6)

62 And Dummy, you're an unsophisticated piece of shit.

Posted by: blackrockmarauder at August 02, 2009 01:41 PM (GvgvT)

63 So in Axelturf-speak these days, 4-quarters of actual decline in GDP == "recovery".

Swell.

Posted by: DocJ at August 02, 2009 01:42 PM (zTlKP)

64 Yet another "conservative" who'd packaged all his hatred for his liberal father into a book and was peddling it to similar daddy haters.

My dad's as conservative as I am. I'll wager that far more libs have conservative fathers than the converse-- it's part of the liberal schtick of a 'we're not bound by the hangups of the past, man.' That's why you got the lefty hippies of the 60s. That's why Hollywood and college are so way Left-- 'cause it's sooooo cutting edge, man.'

When the projection's that thick, the trolls self-parody.

Posted by: nickless at August 02, 2009 01:42 PM (MMC8r)

65 LOL the economy is shrinking slower than it was = recovery

Posted by: TMF at August 02, 2009 01:43 PM (mPm/6)

66 I suggest the Axelpoon go by the unemployment offices in OH or MI and tell them "The Recession's over, get your lazy asses back to work".

Amusing results ensue.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:44 PM (cxW4X)

Isn't amazing how many people find jobs just after the unemployment checks stop coming.

I wish parents still taught the lessons of fairytales like the Ant and the Grasshopper, Chicken Little or The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

Posted by: Dan at August 02, 2009 01:44 PM (qfb86)

68
Even the nuttiest right-wing "economists" like Kudlow admit that, despite all their praying for America to fail, America's economy is currently growing.

Right, because when the economy is really growing, millions of people lose their job's. It was reported somewhere yesterday that since Obama has taken office the GDP has shrunk 1-2%. When I find the link again I'll put it up for you.

Plus the employment report comes out mid-week and I expect it won't be good. At any rate I'm sure you'll be here to spin it into a positive somehow for your lord and saviour.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 01:44 PM (+FzLa)

69 Poon's what happens when you spend all day watching Oprah........be warned!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at August 02, 2009 01:44 PM (aC0uO)

70 i hope that to socialist will at least say "read my lips". then maybe all the dupes that wanted free money will get the picture.

Posted by: white punk at August 02, 2009 01:44 PM (eA3tl)

71 Commerce Department just "revised" the figures to show that there was a steeper decline in GDP Q1 this year than in Q2 (it was the opposite before).

Posted by: blackrockmarauder at August 02, 2009 01:45 PM (GvgvT)

72 Clinton learned, the question will be, is Obama gonna learn from history?

No. Narcissists of Obama's stripe find it physically impossible to admit failure. Clinton had a healthy ego, but he was also very pragmatic when it came to retaining his job.

Thus far, I see very little of the pragmatic in Obama. Obama will have his own mini Night of the Long Knives blaming/firing minions in droves before he could psychologically adopt a position that had him failing.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 02, 2009 01:45 PM (1rv3b)

73 No, when the unemployment figures come out, it'll be somehow lower than it would have been had the One Lightworker not been there.

Think of all the SAVED jobs.

I intercepted a copy of the memo a week early.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 01:45 PM (cxW4X)

74
Poon's what happens when you spend all day watching Oprah........be warned!

Hopefully he'll tune into tomorrow to watch Michelle Malkin bitch-slap that gaggle of geese on The View right before they shout her down and call her a Filipino Nazi.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 01:48 PM (+FzLa)

75 Well, as a member of the unemployed, I can say that I pay taxes on my unemployment check. They hold 10% for Federal taxes here in Kansas. Which strikes me as kinda stupid, but, hey whatever. Hopefully I can find a job soon and get back to being an earning member of society.

Posted by: JamesT at August 02, 2009 01:50 PM (blYjC)

76 They've changed the way they calculate GDP.

Could this 'amazing recovery' be just a mirage?

Posted by: nickless at August 02, 2009 01:52 PM (MMC8r)

77 Where are you getting 79 weeks from?

In California, there's the original 26 week claim, then a 20 week extension, then a 13 week extension. Then there's a federal extension of another 20 weeks.

Posted by: Peaches, the moron formerly known as CB at August 02, 2009 01:56 PM (9Wv2j)

78 O/T: BTW, I think I should clarify. I posted the radioactive link from Gateway Pundit about the SS in the cars with the "automatic weapons" because it truly concerned me. Did they do all this for Bush? Or are they more "at the ready" with BO and if so, why? Really don't think it mattered who lined the route to the town hall, whether it was tea party protesters or A korney suporters of the health care bill, they were all subject to the same treatment, no one was singled out. So makes me really concerned about what the SS is so worried about since he was going to a town hall in the US, not in a foreign country.

Posted by: muffy at August 02, 2009 01:57 PM (p302b)

79 This is going to leave a mark ...

“The co-ops remind us all of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,” he [John McCain] told anchor John King. “And so I have not seen a public option that, in my view, meets the test of what would really not eventually lead to a government take over.”

Posted by: Neo at August 02, 2009 01:59 PM (5d1ix)

80 It seems that the California EDD is hiring "Program Representatives for the Unemployment Insurance and Workforce Services Programs." Under "minimum requirements" is the following:

Please be informed that, prior to the hiring interview, you will be required to provide copies of your diploma and/or transcripts.

Anyone find it amusing that the requirements are more stringent for this job than for POTUS?

Posted by: Peaches, the moron formerly known as CB at August 02, 2009 02:01 PM (9Wv2j)

Seriously, summers was on D. Gregory this morning. Hes a smart guy but even he looked like a bumbling tard when trying to explain why the predicted 8% unemployment under "stimulus" turned out to be so very very wrong.

Started stuttering about "all those teacher and cop jobs we saved" and "it would have been much worse than it otherwise would have been"

An amusing liberal tic ive noticed- anytime their policies are shown to visibly be failing, they just throw out the words "teachers" and "cops"

I mean, b/c who doesnt love teachers and cops! Their just ike chocolate and puppies! DUHH!

Posted by: TMF at August 02, 2009 02:04 PM (mPm/6)

82 Notice, you don't have to bring your birth certificate. (couldn't resist, lol)

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Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 02, 2009 02:08 PM (1rv3b)

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Posted by: Little poon the left wing diaper baby at August 02, 2009 02:10 PM (i31Zq)

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Posted by: toby928 at August 02, 2009 02:10 PM (PD1tk)

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Posted by: XBradTC at August 02, 2009 02:10 PM (DqPCA)

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Posted by: muffy at August 02, 2009 02:05 PM (p302b)

LOL! It's California -- they probably give special consideration to those born outside the U.S. You can read the website in English, Spanish, Chinese or Vietnamese. I'm actually surprised not to see more choices on there.

Posted by: Peaches, the moron formerly known as CB at August 02, 2009 02:11 PM (9Wv2j)

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Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 02:12 PM (+FzLa)

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Posted by: Little poon the left wing diaper baby at August 02, 2009 02:14 PM (i31Zq)

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Posted by: ErikW at August 02, 2009 02:19 PM (hKtiw)

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Here ya' go poon. Here's the U.S. economy growing at a break neck speed under Obama.

I'll give you the rest of the day to spin yourself out of this one.

Posted by: Blazer at August 02, 2009 02:22 PM (+FzLa)

92 Maybe someone can clarify for me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the unemployment count was based on the number of checks going out. So if people fall into non-employment where they're not taking government money, they don't get counted. It's probably worth it in the short term (until 2010) to keep extending the benefits and force everyone into some semblance of honesty about how bad the economy is.

And on that note, I'd like to tell our troll that he's full of shit. I have a friend who oversees sales of electronics to businesses, so he sees a pretty wide swath of the economy on a day to day basis. No one is planning any hiring in the next year nor programs of any kind that won't result in immediate cuts in spending. He doesn't like to take political positions, but he told me in no uncertain terms that anyone talking about recovery is lying their asses off.

And we live in Illinois that got a disproportionately large chunk of the 'stimulus.'

Posted by: Methos at August 02, 2009 02:26 PM (XBQ9x)

93 The unemployment insurance here in NY is the only thing keeping me in my apartment. The extension would be great news since it is impossible to find work right now in NYC. Also our benefits are taxed and we don't get that money back, so we do pay income tax on our benefits. If it were so easy to get a job and get off the dole believe me I would in a second.

Same here in Boston, only it's worse due to being fined for not having insurance for several months. The state refused to offer it through unemployment due to some clerk repeatedly losing my paperwork and mispelling my name, adress, gender, etc. I'm expected to pay a fine for the period I wasn't covered thanks to their screw-ups, all for semi-useless insurance I'll never use.

Even in this economy Massachusetts is doing everything it can to chase businesses and tax payers out of the state, while welcoming illegals with open arms in the name of diversity. Then again, I guess what the state deserves after electing Mini-Obama Deval.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at August 02, 2009 02:27 PM (SMD8k)

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Yea, the same "America" that is home to folks that believe the moon landing was filmed in a wharehouse in Arizona. The same "America" that is home to folks that believe George W. Bush orchestrated 9/11. The same America where "birther crazy's" believe Trig Palin is not Sarah's son.

99.9% of the folks who believe all of the above are liberal Democrats.

You know who else is a birther crazy poon? Larry Johnson a liberal Democrat, die-hard Hillary supporter and ex-Cia spook under Clinton. Go call him crazy to his face.

Let me know how that turns out for ya'.

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Yeah, that Change^TM we voted for in 2006 is working out really well for us, isn't it? Straight down the toilet, uninterrupted since the time the Pelosicrats started passing legislation.

And thanks to 52%, we doubled-down on FAIL! in 2008. Awesome.

Posted by: DocJ at August 02, 2009 02:30 PM (zTlKP)

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So, what you're saying is, it's just like California, only with snow!

Posted by: Peaches, the moron formerly known as CB at August 02, 2009 02:30 PM (9Wv2j)

Who is surprised by this shit??? During the election I said his “tax cut for the middle class” was the typical bait and switch lie from the Dems and even if he meant it Charlie Rangel would never go along. His idea has always been to tax the shit out of everyone who doesn’t live in Harlem NYC.

You can’t have communism until the government controls ALL the money and ALL the property. They were halfway there when Il Douche took office and his goal is to get all the way there.

Posted by: Vic at August 02, 2009 02:34 PM (CDUiN)

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Posted by: Truman North at August 02, 2009 02:34 PM (XH/G8)

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Posted by: Fish at August 02, 2009 02:38 PM (FnA4R)

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Looks like Obama will have to drag you big-spending Republicans kicking and screaming towards a balanced budget just like Clinton had to.

Hysterical.

Um, given you were in the 3rd grade when Clinton was President, how would you know?

Further, you do understand those were Republican budgets Clinton first vetoed (because they cut spending "too much") then signed, right, dipshit?

Posted by: Jay at August 02, 2009 02:39 PM (fhO13)

103 71 Commerce Department just "revised" the figures to show that there was a steeper decline in GDP Q1 this year than in Q2 (it was the opposite before).

Posted by: blackrockmarauder at August 02, 2009 01:45 PM (GvgvT)

exactly. q1 was revised down a full point, so now the point decline in q2 "beats estimates" of a 1.5% decline.

and the msm doesnt even note this fact.

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 02, 2009 02:40 PM (5r0Tz)

104 Looks like Obama will have to drag you big-spending Republicans kicking and screaming towards a balanced budget just like Clinton had to.

By the way, the budget didn't "balance" until after Clinton signed Capital Gains tax cuts in 1997. Tax cuts the Republican congress forced on him.
Are you saying Obama is going to cut capital gaines taxes, moron?

Posted by: Jay at August 02, 2009 02:41 PM (fhO13)

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Posted by: XBradTC at August 02, 2009 02:45 PM (DqPCA)

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Posted by: Frank G at August 02, 2009 02:47 PM (Aaspy)

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Posted by: Spurwing Plover at August 02, 2009 02:48 PM (goO1v)

108 I've always wondered what the term GDP means? It probably has something to do with me as stated by those insufferable republican neanderthals.

Posted by: Poon's Clit at August 02, 2009 02:49 PM (FnA4R)

109 Why not double the length and amount of unemployment and double the minimum wage while the dhimmies are at it. Obama's Voodoo economics have brought us so many jobs and prosperity.

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at August 02, 2009 02:50 PM (B8gqF)

110 Why is someone posting under my name? Could you please stop?

Posted by: Ben at August 02, 2009 02:59 PM (M6EgN)

111 0shitbird could take a dump on an American flag on the White House lawn while signing an order to melt down the Statue of Liberty to make tinker toys and these fucking brainwashed cowards would drool and applaud.

Can one of you slinking, conniving, covetous, yellow liberal rat bastard trolls please tell me how much of my hard earned money you would allow me to keep away from the fucking government? What would make you greedy commie fucks happy? 15% take-home pay? 10%?
How much tax is enough for you cocksuckers to build your little Sodom and Gomorrah Hippy Paradise? At what percentage will you sonsabitches be able to train those unruly fucking unicorns?

I have sunflowers growing next to my garden wall that are smarter and better read than the trolls in this place.
These guys are just bringing the stoopid x12 today.

/but I'm simple. there may be nuance that a simple country boy can't grasp

Posted by: sifty at August 02, 2009 03:02 PM (2DmCh)

112 That's a year and a half of weekly payments while the recipient looks for work. That's a year and a half plus 13 weeks where the employed, who pay income taxes, subsidize the unemployed, who do not.

OK first off people collecting unemployment are taxed on that income so lets throw that by the wayside. Second I have been working since I was 13 in 31 years I have never before collected unemployment - considering my employers have paid into the insurance fund for all that time I don't feel real guilty about collecting benefits.

Posted by: chad at August 02, 2009 03:05 PM (WNcvq)

113 You also paid into UE insurance fund as an employee. I can't believe it is taxed as payroll when it is already a prorated amount from the former paycheck.

Posted by: kmiller1k at August 02, 2009 03:12 PM (YebhT)

114 Unemployment is no picnic in California. Unless you are a professional hustler and know how to game the system.
The default is now to deny the claim and see if you appeal. Then they see if you can prove a negative. Then only 44% ever win the appeal.
And the three-five month backlog on appeals means the incentive is even more on the side of denying the claims. And all this time you sit and watch your bills get later and later.

I have been paying into the California system since I was 14, and this fucking Hopenchange bullshit has finally made me go hat in hand to the counter for my own money back.

Then if you get unemployment, they take income tax out or you get fucked next year for back taxes.

I'm not one of those wise latinas that "borrow" each others' kids to drag down to the EDD office to get extra money. Or somehow manage to stay on the dole for an entire generation.

Posted by: sifty at August 02, 2009 03:18 PM (2DmCh)

115 For Axelpoon:

Una hirundo non facit ver.

Posted by: Techie at August 02, 2009 03:22 PM (cxW4X)

116 Unemployment insurance is funded by employers, not employees. There is no deduction from your paycheck for UI. And, sifty, there's no adjustment for having kids (that's only the welfare system). Your weekly amount is determined by how long you worked and how much you made.

Posted by: Peaches, the moron formerly known as CB at August 02, 2009 03:26 PM (9Wv2j)

117 "College Grad Can't Find Job, Wants $$$ Back"Hope there is more of this. Would like to see the education billion dollar industry mafia have to answer a few questions.

Posted by: muffy at August 02, 2009 03:30 PM (p302b)

118 "83 Did they do all this for Bush?

Reagan's detail had UZI's. I seen no link, so I don't know what you're referring to.

There are counter snipers on the roof of the Whitehouse all the time, and probably stationed at likely spots along motorcade routes.

The SS takes the job pretty seriously, no matter who is president.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 02, 2009 02:08 PM (1rv3b)"

"OBAMA SECRET SERVICE Pulls Guns On Conservative Tea Party Protesters In Bristol"

Posted by: muffy at August 02, 2009 03:33 PM (p302b)

119 Peaches, if my employer is out of pocket money, whether its unemployment 'insurance' or mandated health coverage, you can be damn sure there's going to be less money in that check.

Posted by: Methos at August 02, 2009 03:33 PM (XBQ9x)

120 There is a dependent modifier for unemployment. And I guarantee you that the same hustlers that game the unemployment in California are also going next door to the AFDC office. Most times they are the same building.

from EDD website.
Overview - Unemployment Insurance

The Unemployment Insurance Program, commonly referred to as UI, provides weekly unemployment insurance payments for workers who lose their job through no fault of their own. To be eligible for benefits, you must be able to work, be seeking work, and be willing to accept a suitable job. The UI program is funded by employers who pay taxes on wages paid to employees.

Right. If I hadn't been busting my ass for 23 years, there wouldn't be much to bitch about.

I guess I should feel guilty about collecting unemployment. Maybe guilty enough to let my kid go without.

Posted by: sifty at August 02, 2009 03:35 PM (2DmCh)

121

"Traditionally, many economists have been leery of prolonged unemployment benefits because they can reduce the incentive to seek work.

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at August 02, 2009 01:14 PM (5r0Tz)"

what are they kidding? don't know one single person who has lost their job that isn't absolutely exhausting every avenue trying to get another job, or two part time jobs or anything that pays better than unemployment insurance becasue you can't live on unempoyment insurance.

Posted by: muffy at August 02, 2009 03:40 PM (p302b)

122 Hey, I'm not saying that anyone should feel guilty about collecting unemployment. I've been out of work for almost a year and I've been getting UI checks since October. And, of course, employers take the federal and state taxes for this into consideration when they calculate their gross payroll costs. But it's a very small amount . . . FUTA maxes out at $56 per employee per year. That's on top of the state contributions, I'm not sure what they are, but they are not all that high. The rates are adjusted going forward by claims made based on that employer's previous employees who collect, which is one reason a lot of employers will fight the determination of eligibility.

Posted by: Peaches, the moron formerly known as CB at August 02, 2009 03:41 PM (9Wv2j)

123

The SS takes the job pretty seriously, no matter who is president.

I keep waiting for the SS officers to start wearing bow ties and black suits, like "Brother Mouzone" and Louis Farrakhan's "Fruit of Islam" bodyguards.

Posted by: effinayright at August 02, 2009 03:44 PM (kxUpG)

124 Anyplace in California where you could possibly live on unemployment insurance would be too scary for a law-abiding citizen to live anyway.
Any money you saved would go on treating your gunshot wounds and ambulance bills.

The impression of the hippy sitting on his couch watching Flintstones and toking on a bong while decent people work is not always correct. There are enough scumbags to make the impression, which is sad.

It galls me to have to look in these unionized cubical-mice's faces and ask for money. It's a new experience. And one that leaves marks inside.

Brought to me by Hopenchange!

FU52

Posted by: sifty at August 02, 2009 03:46 PM (2DmCh)

125

/but I'm simple. there may be nuance that a simple country boy can't grasp

No, you're right. In reality, everything is common sense and easy to figure out.

1+1=2, etc.

The concept of nuance is to confuse and obfuscate.

That's why I fucking hate politics. You can't get a straight answer on anything.

Posted by: ErikW at August 02, 2009 03:49 PM (hKtiw)

126 Sifty, how do you feel about the SEIU authorizing a strike for 95,000 state employees (including teachers)? It seems like a good time for the state to start hiring non-union employees with benefits more in line with the private sector than the freakin' pot of gold they currently have.

I can't find it now, but I read somewhere the other day that the average cost of a California state employee is somewhere around $20,000 a year more than the average cost of a private-sector California employee.

Posted by: Peaches, the moron formerly known as CB at August 02, 2009 03:52 PM (9Wv2j)

127 Well, Damn, You Don't Think I Actually Read This Blog, Do You?

Dammit, Ace, how many sock puppets do you have?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at August 02, 2009 03:56 PM (1hM1d)

128 1. Best outcome: Ronald Reagan comes back from the dead vacation and fires every one of them SEIU assmonkeys and replaces them with real humans.

2. I think the SEIU should be prosecuted under the RICO Act.

3. Lynch mob. I'll make the rice krispie treats.

My wife's friend is a gawddamn librarian working for the state of california. She has absolute job security. Chain-wallet-toting skankosaurus.
She isn't allowed in the house anymore after barking too often about how "cool" it was to have a state job. See you next Tuesday.

Posted by: sifty at August 02, 2009 04:00 PM (2DmCh)

129 And as far as the fucking teachers go, let them strike!

I bet test scores and graduations go up. They can hardly do worse.

Let the little hoodie-wearing graffiti artists reenact Quest for Fire unsupervised for a change.

Posted by: sifty at August 02, 2009 04:02 PM (2DmCh)

130 Sifty, if you decide to run for Governor, you've got my vote. Hell, I'd even work for your campaign!

Posted by: Peaches, the moron formerly known as CB at August 02, 2009 04:20 PM (9Wv2j)

131 Too much nun pr0n in my cache and too much valu-rite in my past to run for dog-catcher.

Also, all those Tijuana hookers.

hmmmm. Maybe I could run as a blue-dog demodummy?

Posted by: sifty at August 02, 2009 04:37 PM (2DmCh)

132

In case no one else has pointed it out...

At least he didn't make us read his fucking lips.

Posted by: jmflynny at August 02, 2009 06:16 PM (xvvBI)

133

The Republicans have to find a way to make this absolutely clear that it is the Democrats who are driving the bus. Maybe they should all vote "present" or abstain.

The Democrats are very good (with the aid of the media) is making certain things "bi-partisan" with equal blame to be shared by both parties whenever the bill hits the fan. Meanwhile, Republicans couldn't strategize their way out of a paper bag.

Posted by: steve o at August 02, 2009 09:47 PM (NMSyg)

134 Extending unemployment benefits is at least returning money to ex-taxpayers, who will definitely spend it.

I prefer this than to building white elephants and funding ACORN.

Posted by: Sexypig at August 03, 2009 12:58 AM (0t7L8)

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