Daily Kos Scoop -- BREAKING! -- US SOLDIERS EXECUTING GAY IRAQIS!
Wow! Pulitzer them!Actually it's the Washington Blade
A fundraising event to benefit an LGBT community center in Lebanon last week took a surprise turn when stunned audience members were shown graphic photographs of beheaded corpses and images purportedly depicting U.S. soldiers preparing to execute gay Iraqis.Uh-huh. The guy's fundraising among well-heeled liberal gays, peddling a story sure to open wallets, but he can't show you the photos, because, um, the photos are explosive. The claims? Not explosive. The proof of those claims? Explosive. The Washington Blade isn't super-duper culpable here as they are, as newspapers do, playing stenographer to someone making a claim. I'd have liked to have seen a bit more skepticism in the article, but, whatever. The Daily Kossites on the other hand are ready to run with it. I can't help but notice that the MSM is at a DEFCON 1 state of alert for any criticisms of the president -- Rush Limbaugh said this, Glen Beck said that. But they never seem to note that their left-wing compatriots spend an awful lot of time maligning our troops -- "mak[in'] stuff up," as Sarah Palin correctly put it. Nor do I remember the MSM having any particular troubles with Keith Olbermann calling Bush a "fascist" thirty times, nor the spate of assassination-fantasy films and books that became a cottage industry when Bush was President. But call Obama a racist and it's a national emergency. Thanks to Doc Holliday.
1 It's a teachable moment. Come to the White House and we'll smoke it out.
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 31, 2009 03:25 PM (Gn3nw)
2 Something about this story lacks a certain... factual heft. Can't put my finger on it, but something about the whole thing seems fishy.
Posted by: leoncaruthers at July 31, 2009 03:27 PM (PH0UW)
3 The guy's fundraising among well-heeled liberal gays, peddling a story
sure to open wallets, but he can't show you the photos, because, um,
the photos are explosive.
Yeah, at least those guys who wanted money from me to help stop cat juggling showed me some actual footage.
Posted by: Navin R. Johnson at July 31, 2009 03:27 PM (0SC/R)
4 Obviously, we should have invaded Iran instead. Since they don't have any gays.
Posted by: Methos at July 31, 2009 03:28 PM (XBQ9x)
5 Remember when the Boston Globe (I think) featured a SHOCKING, HARD HITTING front page photo of a US soldier raping an Iraqi woman...that was a picture of a Serbian raping a Bosnian woman? Yeah. Same idea, I suspect.
(I'll hunt down a link shortly.)
Posted by: joncelli at July 31, 2009 03:28 PM (RD7QR)
6 Anybody who believes that crap is too stupid for words. First of all, US soldiers would not behead anybody. They would just shoot them. Secondly, if anybody comes back from that conference spouting this enemy propaganda, they should be tried for treason.
Posted by: Harry at July 31, 2009 03:29 PM (2whxt)
7 Something about this story lacks a certain... factual heft.
What it lacks in factual heft, it more than makes up for in absolute moral authority.
Posted by: Cindy Sheehan at July 31, 2009 03:29 PM (0SC/R)
8 $10 says that if the picture isn't a total fake, it's of IRAQI soldiers / security forces killing gays, NOT US soldiers, which is a bit of an open secret that hasn't been acknowledged by the US press.
There have been a bunch of ugly stories relayed about gays in Iraq being killed through some pretty disturbing methods by Iraqi authorities, such as gluing one of their openings shut until their internal organs burst.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 31, 2009 03:31 PM (U7TcP)
The Washington Blade isn't super-duper culpable here as they are, as
newspapers do, playing stenographer to someone making a claim. I'd have
liked to have seen a bit more skepticism in the article, but, whatever.
Sorry, got to disagree. Running an inflammatory story without proof is as bad as making the claims yourself. In fact, it is the same as making the claims yourself. If they were real reporters they would have demanded the evidence -- because if it's real, it deserves to be exposed -- and in its absence simply tabled the story.
At the root, without evidence, this is just a couple of grifters giving a lefty audience what they want to hear. They're playing to the bigotries of the LGBT community, and apparently have pegged their audience quite well.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 31, 2009 03:32 PM (IuKAf)
10 Posted by: Cindy Sheehan at July 31, 2009 03:29 PM (0SC/R)
That's MY line you dumb bitch! Quit plagiarizing me.
Posted by: Captain America at July 31, 2009 03:32 PM (ETHfd)
11 Right on schedule. Things are going badly for the Dems in Congress and in the Big House: the economy still stinks, unemployment is rising, the death toll in Afganistan is rising. Time to trot out the atrocities dog-and-pony show and ramp up the outrage. Someone should be blaming W for gay genocide in Iraq in 3... 2... 1....
Posted by: Anneke at July 31, 2009 03:33 PM (1LJkp)
12 “Fuck Off Fags.”
Why, that is almost the same as a beheading.
Posted by: huerfano at July 31, 2009 03:34 PM (knHvu)
13 Ah yes, it was indeed merely pron: http://tiny.cc/bdLDe
Posted by: joncelli at July 31, 2009 03:35 PM (RD7QR)
14 I'm shocked that President Obama would order our troops to execute gay Iraqis. Truly shocked.
Posted by: Realist at July 31, 2009 03:35 PM (M3hG/)
15 Ok this is a "Gay" ... thing, story, report .... so the "BeHEADing" .... a ... needs to be more specific. Just Saying!
Posted by: Paladin at July 31, 2009 03:35 PM (XZu3c)
16 @3BWA HA BWA HAHAHA LMAO!!! AWESOME!
Posted by: dananjcon at July 31, 2009 03:36 PM (1B81L)
17 As long as these queer A-rabs don't show up at any of my events in my district, I'm cool with this awesome anti-American story.
That's just how I roll.
Posted by: Rep. Tim Bishop's Inner Mussolini at July 31, 2009 03:36 PM (pRcDw)
18 Running an inflammatory story without proof is as bad as making the claims yourself
I agree. This is akin to Beauchamp's articles in the New Republic.
Posted by: Tami at July 31, 2009 03:36 PM (VuLos)
19 what a prick gates is.....
I asked my father what the President had said during their chat and as
he slipped off his shoes and reclined his chair, he said: “The
President and the Vice President are great men, Liza. They did the
right thing to invite us there to talk, but its up to us now to extend
this conversation. We have plans to meet in private and discuss things.
You know, Crowley’s not a bad guy. He’s not a Joe the Plumber who wants
to represent the Right. He would be horrified to be considered a
Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at July 31, 2009 03:36 PM (5r0Tz)
20 I'm sure the NYT would print the photos, or any outfit that had the Abu Gharaib (sp?)ones.
Posted by: Some Guy at July 31, 2009 03:37 PM (lPxkl)
They told the stories at times
they had personally teased, cut down window treatment's, taped entire episodes of Deadliest Catch and Ice Road Trucker's and forced them to watch it , blown up Barbie Doll's, randomly broke Gloria Gaynor and Barbra Streisand CD's,
razed entire color co-coordinated wardrobes in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan.
Posted by: John Kerry at July 31, 2009 03:37 PM (+FzLa)
22 Oh, and I must admit that The Blade is a great name for a newspaper. Better than a Times or a Herald or something.
Posted by: Some Guy at July 31, 2009 03:38 PM (lPxkl)
23 Maybe we can use these soldiers on those greedy Jew and Indian doctors.
Posted by: Dum-Dum at July 31, 2009 03:38 PM (5aa4z)
24 The guy's fundraising among well-heeled liberal gays, peddling a story sure to open wallets, but he can't show you the photos, because, um, the photos are explosive.
This guy is is good, Obambi could use him to try ansell us onthe health care scam.
Clearly illustrates the libtards propensity to act on emotion not FACT!!!
Posted by: dananjcon at July 31, 2009 03:38 PM (1B81L)
25 Oh, and I must admit that The Blade is a great name for a newspaper. Better than a Times or a Herald or something.
Well, I think the "blade" they have in mind is different from the one you and I have in mind (NTTAWWT).
Posted by: joncelli at July 31, 2009 03:39 PM (RD7QR)
26 Navin R. Johnson; could be Obambi's long lostbrother.. you know the whole half-n-half thing. Just saying...
Posted by: dananjcon at July 31, 2009 03:41 PM (1B81L)
27 She'll be appalled first, and check the facts maybe never since they might not turn out to be true, which would not be politically useful.
Posted by: Chas at July 31, 2009 03:42 PM (yjDfo)
28 When confronted by a Blade reporter after the presentation, Hussam said he feared public disclosure of the photos would incite further violence in Iraq and refused to turn over copies of the images.
Pictures. Or it didn't happen.
Posted by: katya at July 31, 2009 03:42 PM (Yh7Mt)
Oh, and I must admit that The Blade is a great name for a newspaper. Better than a Times or a Herald or something.
Posted by: Some Guy at July 31, 2009 03:38 PM (lPxkl)
How about the Washington Lance? The Washington Post? Wait that's taken.... help me out here.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 31, 2009 03:43 PM (5aa4z)
30 Washington Ramrod! Washington Staff!
Posted by: joncelli at July 31, 2009 03:44 PM (RD7QR)
31 Pictures of severed heads and chained-up terrorists in Iraq are about as hard to find as air molecules. Pointing to pictures of these things and saying "See this? A US soldier did this cuz they was gay" doesn't actually present any proof of that, does it? I could take a picture of a puddle of blood and say, "This is where I shoot Bigfoot but he got up and walked away. This photo is proof of Bigfoot!"
The way liberals promote imagination to fact is truly pathetic.
Posted by: Crusty at July 31, 2009 03:45 PM (GvSpB)
32 Once again, I smell lib agenda. Show me the pics of the army people posting this sign. I thought so, probably a Set Up.
Posted by: Mystry at July 31, 2009 03:45 PM (dIHlE)
33 Another "phony soldier"-esque story.
Maybe he can talk about US soldiers raping babies and shooting up orphanages next.
Of course, liberal lovechild Pete Singer would love the latter to be true.
Posted by: lurker at July 31, 2009 03:46 PM (AqLUZ)
34 And I am sure that they will demand that the Commander in Chief be held accountable.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at July 31, 2009 03:47 PM (MsyOh)
35 Where's Dum Dum to criticize the Obama Regime for allowing this happen? I mean, as the only true non-partisan here, he should be absolutely livid about this.
Or has he never heard of it, like the TANG memos?
Posted by: wiserbud at July 31, 2009 03:47 PM (EW49d)
36 There's gotta be a way to pin this on Bush.
Posted by: katya at July 31, 2009 03:48 PM (Yh7Mt)
Navin R. Johnson; could be Obambi's long lostbrother.. you know the whole half-n-half thing. Just saying...
Yeah, but he's the dumb one, not me.
Posted by: Navin R. Johnson at July 31, 2009 03:49 PM (0SC/R)
38 You see, I told you Americans were stupid!!
Posted by: dananjcon at July 31, 2009 03:50 PM (1B81L)
39 and the gay community wonders why conservatives laugh at them and dismiss their complaining as nothing more than useless drama.
Posted by: 12 Inch Middle Finger at July 31, 2009 03:50 PM (n2vBd)
40 @41 HEY HEY HEY, why do they call you 12 inch middle finger???
Posted by: dananjcon at July 31, 2009 03:52 PM (1B81L)
41 I do not think any military person of any service would be so stupid as to do this. Well, if they were really really plastered. Now how do you get enough beer, booze, hooch, etc, in Iraq to get stone blind drunk. Notice how the libs automatically believed these actions to be true!
Posted by: Mystry at July 31, 2009 03:53 PM (dIHlE)
42 I'm surprised the soldiers have time to kill the poor Iraqi gays, with all that puppy squishing, poison candy distributing, hiding bombs in toys, mosque desecrating, and wearing white after Labor Day.
Posted by: palin steele (the only crypto-partisan on AoSHQ) at July 31, 2009 03:54 PM (8oogl)
43 I hear Dan Rather has plenty of free time on his hands these days. Just the guy the bulk up the factual heft this story desperately needs.
Posted by: DngrMse at July 31, 2009 03:57 PM (u3IdV)
Oh my gawd, this is so horrible ! I love gay people.
Posted by: Meghan McCain at July 31, 2009 03:58 PM (+FzLa)
45 Edit: Not that the huffers actually require factual heft in news stories that set the whole lot of them quivering with outrage.
Posted by: DngrMse at July 31, 2009 03:59 PM (u3IdV)
46 Notice how the libs automatically believed these actions to be true!
The solders obviously acted stupidly.
Navin R. Johnson
Posted by: dananjcon at July 31, 2009 03:59 PM (1B81L)
47 32 Washington Ramrod! Washington Staff!
Posted by: joncelli
The Washington B***plug.
Posted by: Kristopher at July 31, 2009 04:00 PM (EqbaN)
I hear Dan Rather has plenty of free time on his hands these days.
Just the guy the bulk up the factual heft this story desperately needs.
I am also available to help provide factual heft.
Posted by: Green Helmet Man at July 31, 2009 04:07 PM (0SC/R)
49 I believe every word of this and it's obvious that it must have been orchestrated from the top of the chain of command. In fact, based on the way we all know the military works, it came on orders directly from Vice President Biden.
Book 'em Eric-o.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 31, 2009 04:11 PM (T0NGe)
50 How do you tell a gay prisoner in a photo, anyway? Are they extra-special-fabulous?
Posted by: nickless at July 31, 2009 04:13 PM (MMC8r)
51 How do you tell a gay prisoner in a photo, anyway?
Posted by: MSM at July 31, 2009 04:16 PM (PD1tk)
52 I am a gay man. I don't believe this crap for a second.
Posted by: Scott at July 31, 2009 04:21 PM (HzhkR)
53 If Dana Beyer, transgender activist and Chevy Chase, Md., resident, believes it, it must be true.
Posted by: ricky at July 31, 2009 04:23 PM (bfPLb)
There can only be one of us. Let's take this outside...
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at July 31, 2009 04:25 PM (J7/Ud)
55 Hey, if the American soldiers are killing queers maybe they could start with Barney Frank?
Posted by: Txn4evr at July 31, 2009 04:26 PM (vxHF3)
56 They told the stories at
they had personally teased, cut down window treatment's, taped entire
episodes of Deadliest Catch and Ice Road Trucker's and forced them to
watch it , blown up Barbie Doll's, randomly broke Gloria Gaynor and
Barbra Streisand CD's,
razed entire color co-coordinated wardrobes in fashion reminiscent of
John Kerry, that's the first time you've ever said anything that made me laugh.
Posted by: I Am Jack's Raging Bile Duct at July 31, 2009 04:26 PM (8XI4A)
57 The pictures? They just know, man.
Posted by: Techie at July 31, 2009 04:30 PM (cxW4X)
58 Posted by: Txn4evr at July 31, 2009 04:26 PM (vxHF3)
You really should take a moment to consider before you press post.
Posted by: toby928 at July 31, 2009 04:33 PM (PD1tk)
59 Too stupid for words.
Posted by: Vic at July 31, 2009 04:34 PM (CDUiN)
60 Hello, moby.
Posted by: Techie at July 31, 2009 04:34 PM (cxW4X)
61 **BREAKING NEWS**
Kos clowns and several AP reporters were found sodomizing small farm animals at a popular petting zoo in Washington. The proprietor refuses to release the shocking surveillance footage claiming he doesn't want to incite the public.
Posted by: The Great Satan™ at July 31, 2009 04:46 PM (knIKF)
62 In unrelated news, barack hussein obama still hates America and white people.
Posted by: The Great Satan™ at July 31, 2009 04:49 PM (knIKF)
63 The Flying Spaghetti Monster is featured among the pictures. So I hear.
Posted by: Cody Baker at July 31, 2009 04:56 PM (ALz4O)
64 Anybody who believes that crap is too stupid for words. First of all, US soldiers would not behead anybody. They would just shoot them.
Indeed. Additionally, what group is it in that part of the world that is partial to beheadings, and would be exceedingly partial to beheading outted homosexuals?
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at July 31, 2009 05:00 PM (1hM1d)
65 Obama killed a man in Reno
Posted by: just to watch him die at July 31, 2009 05:00 PM (PD1tk)
66 Release the birth--I mean, photos!!
Posted by: blooch at July 31, 2009 05:01 PM (W/ykI)
67 OK , I had to click through and read some of the dkos comments . Unfuckinbelievable.
How can these people manage to tie their shoes and feed themselves ? They're even allowed to vote ?
Posted by: awkward davies at July 31, 2009 05:04 PM (wb68R)
68 Even worse, their vote is equal to yours. Isn't democracy grand?
Posted by: Techie at July 31, 2009 05:07 PM (cxW4X)
69 You people are just racists and hate gays. Its a teachable moment.
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at July 31, 2009 05:08 PM (B8gqF)
70 Agreed: pix or it didn't happen.
The sad thing is, the leftard media is so easy to play that our enemies are getting depressingly good at it. Wave vague testimonials of discrimination or make claims that are long on drama and short on evidence, and you'll have them slobbering at your feet for more.
I've been writing fiction for years, and I'm well familiar with the classic formula: play to your audience with powerful images, and they won't question a thing. If you've got them sobbing, you've got them in the bag.
The giveaway was the beheaded guy. That's what my writing buddies call "plastic pathos"--a striking image that nevertheless doesn't fit the scene. It's the undamaged toy in the middle of a bomb site, the tear rolling down the cheek of a disaster victim who is nevertheless immaculately groomed. If called upon to kill, U.S. soldiers don't behead people. They shoot them.
Sheesh. For all the experience that the MSM has with fiction, you'd think they'd know how to spot sloppy writing when they saw it.
Posted by: Tungsten Monk at July 31, 2009 05:11 PM (VrNoa)
71 I'd bet Andrew Sullivan's cock 'n' balls that every single word of this story is a lie.
Posted by: Sharkman at July 31, 2009 05:18 PM (prBaA)
72 I guess Cat Juggling just cant get them to pony up cash anymore, too Bad!
Posted by: DKM at July 31, 2009 05:22 PM (BHN3G)
73 Just had to add something I found in the comments at DKos:
The whole execution ( sick pun intended ) of this war has been ghastly.
We have shot at kids, women,elderly; raped folks in captivity.. I
have experience with military homophobia. There are some very scary
people in the Military, trust me on that. We will not be remembered
well for this debacle people. We are the bad guys this time. We just
are. (emphasis added.)
Translation: some guy in cammies once told me off, ergo I know everything there is to know. Oh, and by flagellating my entire nation, I prove what a sensitive 'n' caring person I am. Being a blinkered jackass is TOTALLY the same thing as being humble, FYI.
Posted by: Tungsten Monk at July 31, 2009 05:24 PM (VrNoa)
Gay Army guys...doing mean stuff?
No! Harsh and shit?
Just send me the...um..pictures.
I'll be ...uh..well...busy.
Posted by: Scott at July 31, 2009 05:40 PM (HzhkR)
75 My supportive post in 3, 2, 1....
Posted by: Andi Sullivan at July 31, 2009 05:46 PM (2dbFU)
76 You people are just racists and hate gays. Its a teachable moment.
someone beat me to the obvious Gates comparison. Victimhood hustling
has become some sort of fungal epidemic that now infects the fringes of
pretty much every demographic in America, across lines of race, class,
religion, political persuasion, and sexual instincts.
And the Washington Blade is very much culpable for the sensationalist headline (U.S. Military Accused of Atrocities Against Gays) while the astounding revelation that Shia and Sunni militias are
actually, demonstrably responsible for murdering gay Iraqis isn't even
hinted at until the 4th graf.
Which is why I implore my hetero
friends: Please, I'm not "gay," I'm just a garden variety homo. Mind
you, this isn't permission (merely encouragement) to refer to OTHER corndog-gobbling dudes as "homosexual," because the clichéd whining response from most "gay"
men is that "homosexual sounds too clinical."
(Although for some reason they have no trouble with heterosexual or bisexual.)
To which I say: Bah! Homosexual doesn't sound clinical; it sounds
fuckin' FUTURISTIC, like nanotube or holodeck or UltraSuede™.
"Gay," on the other hand, is a retarded word and an even stupider subculture, trust me.
Posted by: Throbert ''Web Weirdo'' McGee at July 31, 2009 05:52 PM (8vtr6)
77 It is true, Ace!
Dummy PS has a letter typewritten using a 1938 Smith-Corona sent to him by Lucy Mohammed showing that Bush gave orders to "kill all the fags"!!
Posted by: andycanuck at July 31, 2009 06:16 PM (l1f4+)
78 Bet ya $12.00 that Green Helmet Guy is in those photos.
Posted by: sifty at July 31, 2009 06:24 PM (2DmCh)
79 Any group of people that will allow the free use of their prostates as punching bags cannot be trusted to discern fact from fiction once their little imaginations get all twitterpated.
To me, except for the made-up beheading parts, these made up stories sound like an evening at the Folsom Street Festival.
Posted by: sifty at July 31, 2009 06:29 PM (2DmCh)
Any group of people that will allow the free use of their prostates as
punching bags cannot be trusted to discern fact from fiction once their
little imaginations get all twitterpated.
Heed sifty's advice : have gentle gay sex, because once your prostrate gets punched your IQ starts to leak out of your ass. Look what happened to poor sifty.
Posted by: o.u. at July 31, 2009 06:43 PM (vhUkw)
81 Fuck Dan Rather.
I'm tanned rested and ready to run with this story. Call me guys.
Posted by: Peter Arnett at July 31, 2009 06:45 PM (1rv3b)
82 Isn't that the poop that poopy poop the poop who was pooped pooping poops at a poop pooper is the poopie of ?
Posted by: John ryan at July 31, 2009 06:45 PM (bTTYk)
83 I vote @23 for Thread Winner; that was some funny there!
Those soldiers probably sic'd their genetically enhanced, test tub, badger-monkey-pig dogs on those poor, poor ghey people too, before executing them...the monsters!
Posted by: unknown jane at July 31, 2009 06:51 PM (EpmMs)
84 tub - tube; man, I'm losing it
Posted by: unknown jane at July 31, 2009 06:57 PM (EpmMs)
85 @ 78 - I've been looking to, uh, experiment some. I was wondering if you would like to meet me on the holodeck and play with my nanotube while I wear my UltraSuede lounge suit?
Posted by: Xoxotl at July 31, 2009 06:58 PM (CSALv)
86 Watertears are running down my headface.
Posted by: Scott Beauchamp at July 31, 2009 07:01 PM (QoR4a)
87 Isn't that the paper that Jeff Gannon the shill who was exposed tossing softballs at a Bush presser is the editor of ?
No, but thanks for the fag bashing. But that's "good" fag bashing, eh, John, and not "bad" fag bashing like the troops are being accused of.
BTW, how many questions has Obama had planted at pressers? You may have heard something about the most recent planted question about racist cops "profiling" and abusing honest black men. I think there was something about that somewhere in the media. You might even find something about it here at Ace's.
Oh, and good diversionary tactic--bringing up something from five years ago. Way to stay topical.
Posted by: andycanuck at July 31, 2009 07:10 PM (l1f4+)
88 ...Oh, and to earn a rewrite. Congratulations on joining the dummies.
Posted by: andycanuck at July 31, 2009 07:11 PM (l1f4+)
89 Sorry o.u. Didn't mean to spill your TAB and lithium cocktail with my bashing.
Posted by: sifty at July 31, 2009 08:07 PM (2DmCh)
90 Sounds like the gays are accusing US troops of something muslim militias do because they know its safe to accuse US troops of anything. While accusing muslims of something might result in their getting their heads sawed off. Notice that no one in the gay community ever has a compliant against the Iranian practice of hanging gays from cranes in football stadiums, but they always scream homophobia if anyone protests gay pride week, or whatever their cause du jour is.
Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at July 31, 2009 08:18 PM (t2zfT)
91 Notice that no one in the gay community ever has a compliant against
the Iranian practice of hanging gays from cranes in football stadiums
Posted by: o.u. at July 31, 2009 08:46 PM (vhUkw)
92 Sorry, we were generally very tolerant of the fact Arabs are recreationally gay and go with the rule "women for children, men for pleasure". The fact that left to their own devices they tend to victimize younger men is disgusting though, even grosser than their pedophile weddings the fundamentalists seem to love.
Posted by: SGT Dan at July 31, 2009 09:02 PM (Wcgzm)
93 Like this, Sgt Dan, of girls being married by Hamas (undoubtedly using Western dollars to do it)? [Via Kathy Shaidle's five feet of fury blog.]
Posted by: andycanuck at July 31, 2009 09:29 PM (l1f4+)
94 FWIW the lot of women and children actually improved when Mo imposed Islam upon the Arabs in 7th century AD. Until then, women were treated more like chattel, with no rights. Children, particularly girls, might be killed if unwanted. Under Islam, women were second-class citizens with rights and proscribed rules of behaviour protecting them, and the baby-killing stopped.
Iran was different, in that it already had a developed and mature civilisation, with a far more reverential attitude towards the fair sex, when it was conquered by the Islamic forces. They already had a religion in the teachings of Zoroaster, the first to articulate the idea of a single God, and of a description of life and the universe as a battle between good and evil, truth and the lie, and the description of an angelic hierarchy, all of which were influential on Judaism.
Unfortunately, Islam never really moved on - it never had the reforms of a Maimonides or an Augustus of Hippo, admonishing it to adjust itself as human knowledge of the world expanded. Any progress that came out of the Islamic world (and there was some, in medicine, mathematics, map-making and engineering, for example) came from the already educated Iranian civilisation, which itself finally succumbed to the Islamic stupor.
Islam was a help once, over a millenia ago, to a certain group of people. Now it's an obstacle.
Posted by: o.u. at July 31, 2009 10:02 PM (vhUkw)
95 it never had the reforms of a Maimonides or an Augustus Augustine of Hippo
Posted by: o.u. at July 31, 2009 11:17 PM (vhUkw)
96 I refuse to release my photos of Dum-Dum stuffing gerbils up his ass because they could be inflammatory.
Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at August 01, 2009 12:34 AM (4iKgA)
97 Barney Frank and Andrew Sullivan must be hiding.
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at August 01, 2009 01:01 AM (B8gqF)
98 This story seems vaguely familiar... seem to recall it popping up a few years ago.
Posted by: Mahmoud Amadinejahd at August 01, 2009 05:33 AM (qgUTi)
99 How long before The One says that we're all gay iraqis?
Posted by: kal at August 02, 2009 12:06 AM (b3Md1)
100 Awww.. I don't like Gays but they shouldn't be killing faggots like this.
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Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)