WTF? House GOP Forbidden to Say "Government-Run Healthcare"?
BUMPED: GOP Franking Office Responds

So says Rep. John Carter (R-TX):

“It came to me from the Franking Commission and I have the email from the Franking Commission here if you’d like to see it,” Carter said. “We held a telephone town-hall… When you hold telephone town-halls you have a recorded message that introduces the town-hall and the subject matter you’re going to be talking about. You have to now submit that language to the Franking Commission.

“What we proposed as language was as follows, ‘House Democrats unveiled a government-run health care plan,’” Carter said. “Our response from Franking was, ‘You cannot use that language. You must use, ‘The House majority unveiled a public option health care plan,’ which is Pelosi-speak or ‘just last week the House majority unveiled a health care plan which I believe will cost taxpayers…’”

Scant information, but not inherently unbelievable. I'm looking now to see if there's more about this.

Here's a FoxNews report on it, with more information. Apparently, the Republicans want to send out a chart that says "government-run healthcare"?

I left messages with the Republican office of the Franking Commission and with the Committee on House Administration (which oversees the Franking Commission). Maybe they'll get back to me.

UPDATE (12:55pm): Okay, somebody at the GOP office for the Committee on House Administration emailed me a one word answer to my question "Is it true that House Republican John Carter was instructed not to use the phrase "government- run health care plan" in a mass communication?"

The reply: "Yes."

Actually, I added the period. Somehow I feel like I'm not getting enough bang for my tax-payer buck. DETAILS, PLEASE!

Here is the GOP CHA-Franking page. Contact form is at the top right. Maybe one of you will have more luck than me.

And here is the DEM CHA-Franking contact page. Bug them too.

UPDATE (1:55pm): David in San Diego writes:

Started with Dan Lungren (R-CA03) office since he is the ranking Republican on the Franking Commission (there are 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans). Got sent to the commission staffers who, at least the ones I talked to, are friendly and professional.

In a nutshell: anything that is mailed out using tax $$ requires these six people to approve of the contents of he mailing. And approval requires a simple majority. And a 3-3 tie is not a majority.

The objection that there was to the phrase "Government-run Healthcare" is that the current bill, such as it is, is not 100% government run. We still have the private option (that discussion is probably for a different posting).

So for your edification the Commission members are (I'll save what comments I know about some of them for later, if at all):

Democrats:

Susan Davis, Chair (CA-53)
Brad Sherman (CA-27)
Donna Edwards (MD-04)

Republicans:
Dan Lundgren, Ranking (CA-03)
Kevin McCarthy (CA-22)
Dr. Tom Price (GA-06)

It's nearly 5:00 pm in Washington. Call 'em if your pissed.

Thanks, David!

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 03:54 PM



Comments

1 Orwellian at best - not a shock from San Fran Botox Nan

Posted by: Mallamutt at July 24, 2009 11:08 AM (vs0M9)

2 George O , call for you from Pelosi. Please pick up, she's losing her shit.

Posted by: mbruce at July 24, 2009 11:08 AM (t/GDA)

3 And shit, I could have just said "first".

Posted by: Mallamutt at July 24, 2009 11:09 AM (vs0M9)

4

Hey, lets not let a little thing like the first amendment get in the way of pushing some good old fashioned communism

Posted by: Blazer at July 24, 2009 11:09 AM (+FzLa)

5 Please follow up on this.

It's a perfect example of why you don't what the feds running healthcare. You won't even be able to complain about the fucking service.

Posted by: LiveFreeOrDie at July 24, 2009 11:10 AM (fKwpD)

6 So can they send out mail blasting the Franking Commission for suppressing the right of free speech which is at the center of the American political process?

Never waste an opportunity.

Posted by: Josef K. at July 24, 2009 11:10 AM (7+pP9)

7 This just in....President Obama's propaganda Czar has issued orders for all to refer to his healthcare package as (public option). All those who call it government run healthcare will be shot on the spot....film at 11:00

Posted by: Nancy From San Francisco at July 24, 2009 11:10 AM (J1f2W)

8 With these Democrats very little is inherently unbelievable. Their first, second, and third instinct is always to quash free speech.

Posted by: flenser at July 24, 2009 11:11 AM (FXfR4)

9 Ya know, a not so wise man once said "you can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig."

Posted by: Chris at July 24, 2009 11:12 AM (tTc5u)

10 Maybe its just me, but in an argument of ideas if your best response is STFU you may be on the ropes a bit.

Posted by: Master Debator at July 24, 2009 11:12 AM (t/GDA)

11 So don't use the stupid franking and ignore their limits.

And then campaign against the use of taxpayer money for politicians to run their campaigns during off seasons under the disguise of "constituent communications". Campaign to end the franking privilege.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 24, 2009 11:13 AM (IuKAf)

12 Not surprising.

Manipulating public opinion brought them to power. We should at least expect them to try and govern that way.


Posted by: Jean at July 24, 2009 11:13 AM (L64A6)

13 How can you crypto-conservatives call My President laying his hands on people and healing them "government-run healthcare"?

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at July 24, 2009 11:14 AM (tcMQZ)

14 Government run health care is full of shit, just like Speaker Pelosi.

Posted by: IC at July 24, 2009 11:14 AM (jZNCU)

15
I wish I could say that this is unbelievable, but it isn't.

By the way, note the subtitution of "majority" for "Democrats", which implies bipartisanship. I get the impression that the Donks aren't entirely willing to take all the credit shoulder all the blame for the Obama-Pelosi-Reid shitwich.

Posted by: Brown Line at July 24, 2009 11:15 AM (VrNoa)

16 Dear Republicans: A riot is an ugly thing... and I think it's just about time we had one!

Posted by: sherlock at July 24, 2009 11:16 AM (FsbnY)

17

Hey, House GOP,.... Here's a nice warm bedpan of STFU !

Posted by: The House Democrats at July 24, 2009 11:16 AM (+FzLa)

18 Oh, trust us, we have a loooong list of words that you won't be allowed to say anymore.

(Remember, we won.)

Posted by: The National SocialistDemocrat Party at July 24, 2009 11:16 AM (wWwJR)

19 Dicks.

Posted by: scottythrust at July 24, 2009 11:16 AM (VTeUD)

20 #10
I concur completely.
What would happen if the 'Pubs ignored the Wrinkly Old Bag and called it "government-run healthcare" anyway?
I would be highly amused if every single private individual that got a chance to speak at the town hall referred to it exactly that way.
What then, Nan?
You Awful Woman.

Posted by: Miller at July 24, 2009 11:17 AM (qFBSk)

21 didn't the franking commission pull the same shit regarding repubs mailing out the chart depicting obamacare?

Posted by: mark c at July 24, 2009 11:17 AM (4NJrv)

22 Behold the party and movement of openness, free speech, tolerance and the open exchange of ideas -


only if it agrees with their ideology.


I. FUCKING. LOATHE. THESE. HYPOCRITTERS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 24, 2009 11:17 AM (9Cooa)

23 How 'bout "efficient, patient-focused, doctor-driven, free-market, all-American health care plan"? Y'know, as long as words bear no relation to things and stuff.

Posted by: FireHorse at July 24, 2009 11:18 AM (jMk+v)

24 Barry is a doubleplus good president.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 24, 2009 11:18 AM (1Jaio)

25 Franking Commission? What the fuck does franking mean in this context?

Posted by: Hotspur at July 24, 2009 11:18 AM (c158/)

26 Alinsky rules apply.

We need to mock Pelosi and this incredible gaffe of hers - and not let up. Personalize her, mock her, make her synonymous with un-American behavior. Bloggers taking the first shot can lead to commenters like Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity, and then to videos on YouTube going viral. Eventually, the MSM will comment one way or another, getting information about her actions - and criticism of her - in front of even the most passive citizens.

This is a basic communications model we should be using on a regular basis. Cheap to the point of being free, legal and effective.

Posted by: Josef K. at July 24, 2009 11:19 AM (7+pP9)

27 "The House majority unveiled a public option health care plan,’ which is Pelosi-speak or ‘just last week the House majority unveiled a health care plan which I believe will cost taxpayers…’”

Yeah, you are not allowed to connect this stinker in the publics mindto the words "Democrats" or "Democratic Party".

Posted by: flenser at July 24, 2009 11:19 AM (FXfR4)

28 Keep chirping GOP and make people aware. OT, Fiorina is within 4 of Barbara Boxer according to Scott Rasmussen in CA.

Posted by: phoenixrisen at July 24, 2009 11:20 AM (ihWM2)

29 What if they call it "the bill formally know as the government run health care plan".

Posted by: robtron at July 24, 2009 11:20 AM (gue+Q)

30 Shut Up, they explained.


expello poon

Posted by: toby928 at July 24, 2009 11:20 AM (PD1tk)

31 What the fuck does franking mean in this context?
If Barney has any part in it, we probably don't want to know... IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: sherlock at July 24, 2009 11:20 AM (FsbnY)

32 You stupid Republicans thought you could get something through the Franken committee? Al Franken will NEVER let you get away with anything!

Posted by: palin steele (the only non-partisan on AoSHQ) at July 24, 2009 11:21 AM (tcMQZ)

33 Fiorina is within 4 of Barbara Boxer
Yay, anther win for the Specter wing of the GOP! Bleh.

Posted by: flenser at July 24, 2009 11:22 AM (FXfR4)

34 Words mean things.
Twisted language means twisted thoughts.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 24, 2009 11:24 AM (ZGhSv)

35 We can haz revolooshun now pleeze?

Posted by: DocJ at July 24, 2009 11:24 AM (g8ibn)

36 Government Student Loan Official: After you finish college you will be working for the Federal Government (Americore)for 10 years, to pay off the loan. You will be assigned to the "Speach Monitoring Agency" where you will report unauthorized speach. Think this can't happen? It's where we're headed.

Posted by: Sparky at July 24, 2009 11:25 AM (J1f2W)

37 If proven to be true, this is one of the scariest things EVAH to come from the Botox mafia.

Posted by: Home of Joe Biden at July 24, 2009 11:27 AM (mN3EM)

38 Somewhere in Hell, Joseph Goebbels is smiling.

Posted by: Reiver at July 24, 2009 11:28 AM (MYzrL)

39 Alinsky rules apply.

Ask her who will be running the "public option" if not the government. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me to learn they intended for ACORN to take it over after they finish the census...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 24, 2009 11:28 AM (NtiET)

40 Remember, friends...Freedom is Slavery.

Posted by: nickless at July 24, 2009 11:28 AM (MMC8r)

41 Double standard much?

Posted by: LoneRepublic at July 24, 2009 11:28 AM (84yWb)

42 Next on the agenda the Republican Party will now be known as the Evil Rich peoples Party. The media is already in compliance with this.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 24, 2009 11:32 AM (1Jaio)

43 Carly is awesome she is gonna bos her ears!!!!

Posted by: John at July 24, 2009 11:35 AM (o2bkq)

44 The chairman of the committee on house administration is Robert Brady (D-PA). He's from Philly (1st district, PA) and he's...huge.
I'm going to guess he's a Rendell protege and it wouldn't surprise me if he were doing this on his own without direction from Nancy.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 24, 2009 11:35 AM (T0NGe)

45 Remember, you can't say bad or very bad. The correct terms are ungood and plus ungood.

Posted by: EC at July 24, 2009 11:36 AM (mAhn3)

46 That's it. We're franked.

Posted by: GOP at July 24, 2009 11:37 AM (MMC8r)

47 Ask her who will be running the "public option" if
not the government. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me to learn they
intended for ACORN to take it over after they finish the census...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 24, 2009 11:28 AM (NtiET)
I read somewhere yesterday that ACORN has set up "hundreds" of shell corporations, all with the same directors, and stationery that is clearly produced with a word processor simply changing organization names and addresses, apparently to make it harder to trace ACORN's money flow.I have no problem believing that ACORN could not set up a few more corporations to act as government "contractors," administering house calls, health monitoring, etc. No need to even wait until after the census. ACORN considers this task shovel-ready now!

Posted by: Josef K. at July 24, 2009 11:39 AM (7+pP9)

48 Are we lowly citizens allowed to make mass copies of the Government Run HealthCare flowchart and start passing/mailing them out to anyone we want? Hell, Karl Rove sent the chart pdf via twitter.

Posted by: Trish at July 24, 2009 11:40 AM (0U5Kd)

49 Screw Pelosi and her communist gang . . . it's government run health care plan and everyone should yell it at the top of their voices.

Posted by: rplat at July 24, 2009 11:41 AM (G1ArL)

50 46 That's it. We're franked.
Posted by: GOP at July 24, 2009 11:37 AM (MMC8r)
Heh!

Posted by: mikeyslaw at July 24, 2009 11:51 AM (QMGr1)

51 Forgive my ignorance but... what the hell is the Franking Commission?

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at July 24, 2009 11:53 AM (Xdxf8)

52 Are we lowly citizens allowed to make mass copies of the Government Run
HealthCare flowchart and start passing/mailing them out to anyone we
want?

Proles and animals are free.

Posted by: Josef K. at July 24, 2009 11:57 AM (7+pP9)

53 Jesus, can't you Republicans just die already? Oh wait, I'll take care of that.

Posted by: The Health Care Bill at July 24, 2009 11:57 AM (rzJpR)

54 Carly is awesome
She's an awesome Rockefeller Republican, true.
"Carly Fiorina Enterprises is focused on global economic development and grassroots individual empowerment. Its operating premise is that the most creative and collaborative solutions come from cross-sector initiatives that bring business, government and philanthropic leaders together. Its key areas of emphasis include economic growth for a more prosperous and secure world; economic empowerment for women in poverty plagued societies; education and outreach for more inspired leadership; and, public commentary on topics that can promote engagement on these opportunities."
Not exactly the second coming of Reagan, is she?

Posted by: flenser at July 24, 2009 11:59 AM (FXfR4)

55 Most Transparent Administration EVAH!!


Posted by: Drumwaster at July 24, 2009 12:02 PM (DHt8f)

56 In The Spotlight
About the Franking Commission
The bipartisan Commission on Congressional Mailing Standards or the "Franking Commission" was established to issue regulations governing use of the franking privilege; provide guidance in connection with mailings; and to act as a quasi-judicial body for the disposition of formal complaints against Members of Congress who have allegedly violated franking laws or regulations

Posted by: momma at July 24, 2009 12:03 PM (penCf)

57 Coincides with the CDC decision to NOT count H1N1reported deaths that globally reached a few hundred since the original scare. Evidently, the Democrat Majority government doesn't track any figures below a trillion anymore.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 24, 2009 12:03 PM (F1b/5)

58 Boy, are they really banking on the ignorant voter or what? Let's change the wording because Mr & Mrs. John Q public is too stupid to figure this out. These House Dems really do believe this.

Posted by: Twinks at July 24, 2009 12:08 PM (Nt1Z9)

59 House GOP Forbidden to Say "Government-Run Healthcare"?
Why would they want to call it something it's not?

Scant information, but not inherently unbelievable.

Isn't that what critics are blasting Obama for doing in the cop situation?

Posted by: Da Truthenator at July 24, 2009 12:08 PM (Lsz2a)

60 Abortion - fundamental human right.
'Free' healthcare access - fundamental human right.
Freedom of speech - A privilege that should be careful monitored by the state.

Posted by: Bald Ninja at July 24, 2009 12:11 PM (4pdbX)

61 "The Democrats unveiled a plan that the Democrat-dominated Franking Commission will not allow us to describe as a 'government-run health plan'"

Solved.

Or, say "thank you for your guidance, we will take it under advisement," and release the thing as is.

Posted by: JSchuler at July 24, 2009 12:11 PM (aoUR7)

62 The House R's were all over this late last night on C-Span.

Posted by: ProudinNC at July 24, 2009 12:11 PM (Edv29)

63 http://tinyurl.com/nn5qdb

I'm sure a lot of you have seen this, but the link is to an interesting leak from Redstate on how we will all be systematically eliminated as we age trough costs of hospice care.

Posted by: Doc at July 24, 2009 12:12 PM (rzJpR)

64 Words are important.

Ask Gobbels.

I now think that EVERY blogger and individual should use the phrase "government run healthcare" as much as possible.

Because the government doesn't want us to, and, at least for the moment, we do have freedom of speech.

Posted by: shibumi at July 24, 2009 12:13 PM (OKZrE)

65 Here's a full vid of Rush on GVS:
http://tinyurl.com/mod9zf
He was awesome. Best interview I have ever seen with him

Posted by: momma at July 24, 2009 12:13 PM (penCf)

66 House GOP Forbidden to Say "Government-Run Healthcare"?Why would they want to call it something it's not?

They don't want to call it what it's not. They want to call it what it is -- government-run (rationed) healthcare.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 24, 2009 12:16 PM (IuKAf)

67 I'll join the complaint's refrain that the GOP headline is a literal quote from the House Record. Hence, to censor the headline is to censor the official record from the Speaker's rostrum.

The chart is "part of the official record and now we're told it can't be communicated," said Republican Rep. Dan Lungren of California. Lungren said Republicans were told they would be allowed to mail the chart if they added a disclosure at the top that states the chart "might be inaccurate." "I would agree to that if it said that on the speaker's rostrum," he said.
The Franking Commission does not have the authority to censor AND REVISE what is contained within the House official record.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 24, 2009 12:17 PM (F1b/5)

68 Look, the fact that Carly Fiorina damn near destroyed two major corporations trying to prove she had the biggest dick in the tech world is reason enough to keep her away from anything important.

But she's still smarter than Boxer. Damning with faint praise, I know.

And I think they got the message that they wanted to out without the Franking commission being able to stop it. Streisand Effect anyone?

Posted by: brian at July 24, 2009 12:17 PM (S2j/V)

69 We are monitoringthis blog, and all of you are violating our rules. All of you muststep away from your computers and ShutThe Fuck Up. That is all for now.

Posted by: The Franking Commission at July 24, 2009 12:22 PM (J1f2W)

70 Trish, why the hell aren't you one of my Twitter friends? I knew there were a few of us who twittered on here, but no one wants to be my fwiend. *sob*
We are double franked, guys.

Posted by: di butler at July 24, 2009 12:23 PM (tjdui)

71 The CNBC power lunch crowd is jumping all ove the dmocratic representative and allowing, for once, the republican to speak. They are trying to persuade WS that the healthcare thing is over and yet people are posting here that it will be voted on, per scheduled. Is it possible that they have buried a lifetime appointment for any representative who votes for this bill, ergo, they don't have to care what their constituents think and can have a lovely vacation?

Posted by: bernie at July 24, 2009 12:26 PM (o2bkq)

72 Flenser,

You've got to admit that a Rockefeller Republican is better than a Boxer Bimbocrat. This is California we're talking about here, so it's gonna need baby steps, man.

Posted by: Colonel32 at July 24, 2009 12:30 PM (dfQ4e)

73 Twitter is so government run.

Posted by: evil libertarian at July 24, 2009 12:31 PM (onKfr)

74 she's still smarter than Boxer
That goes without saying. But is she any less liberal?

Posted by: flenser at July 24, 2009 12:31 PM (FXfR4)

75 This bill is soooooo bad that they can't even call it what it is. Better hurry up and pass it before they run out of time to fuck over the people.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 24, 2009 12:31 PM (IqfKc)

76 Isn't that what critics are blasting Obama for doing in the cop situation?

Yeah, it's exactly the same thing. Except in one of these two situations, one person is the leader of the free world and the other is a blogger.

But other than that niggling little thing, it's exactly the same.

Posted by: wiserbud at July 24, 2009 12:33 PM (wWwJR)

77 You've got to admit that a Rockefeller Republican is better than a Boxer Bimbocrat.

No, I don't. A surfeit of Rockefeller Republians is what gave the Democrats complete control of government, and what gave us liberalism even when the GOP was in control.

Posted by: flenser at July 24, 2009 12:33 PM (FXfR4)

78 di butler,
hey i just started this twitter thing. I trieda few months back but didn'ttry too hard. Now I can't get enough. My poor kids are probably being ignored becuase of my new obsession. I'll go find you now. BTW reading some of the tweets is like reading the comments here. I love it.

Posted by: Trish at July 24, 2009 12:35 PM (0U5Kd)

79 This is massively stupid on several levels:

1) If the Franking Commission had allowed the mailer to go out, the only people to have seen it would nominal GOP voters anyway, or at least the ones who don't routinely trash anything from the national GOP
2) Now it's available as a PDF and t-shirt and lots of news services and websites and-probably- networks (okay, FNC) will be showing it
3) The whole thing will be more widely distributed and more widely known because of this attempted censoring of the public record

Crikey, I know that the GOP is the party of the stupid, but this retardation on an epic scale.

Posted by: physics geek at July 24, 2009 12:36 PM (MT22W)

80 We need a thread called: Obama's andPelosi's Government Run Health Care might cost you everything.
Get it up there so it will be recognized by Google.

Posted by: momma at July 24, 2009 12:36 PM (penCf)

81 Scant information, but not inherently unbelievable."Isn't that what critics are blasting Obama for doing in the cop situation?"


There's no shortage of information in Gatesgate, which is why the left is running around saying "you can't believe the police report".

Posted by: flenser at July 24, 2009 12:37 PM (FXfR4)

82 Not exactly the second coming of Reagan, is she ? Posted by: flenser

Yikes. Anyone who uses the word 'empowerment' should be shot out of a cannon. 'Individual empowerment' ...WTF? What the hell does that even mean?

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at July 24, 2009 12:39 PM (kIjlp)

83 and to act as a quasi-judicial body for the disposition of formal complaints against Members of Congress who have allegedly violated franking laws or regulations

hmmmm. I'm thinking about doing unto my Dem Congresswoman as she and herminions have done unto Palin. Where's the complaint form?

Posted by: Flying Jackos at July 24, 2009 12:42 PM (k7SeR)

84 Hey chimney sweep just ask bwany to show you, more then you want to see- trust me, what individual empowerment is.

Posted by: evil libertarian at July 24, 2009 12:46 PM (onKfr)

85 >>>"So don't use the stupid franking and ignore their limits.

And
then campaign against the use of taxpayer money for politicians to run
their campaigns during off seasons under the disguise of "constituent
communications". Campaign to end the franking privilege."<<<

Absolutely right.

(And besides, even the name sounds wrong...'Franking' sounds like something invented the second-most despicable politician in Massachusetts history does on dates. UGH!)

Posted by: djjd at July 24, 2009 12:50 PM (mT2TF)

86 (And besides, even the name sounds wrong...'Franking' sounds like
something invented the second-most despicable politician in
Massachusetts history does on dates. UGH!)

that's the last time i let my undocumented mexican au pair translate from chinese to english...

(Raff Out Roud).

Posted by: djjd at July 24, 2009 12:52 PM (mT2TF)

87 @77

In general speaking, you'd be right. But, again, I remind you that we're talking about California. Shy of sawing the fucker off and pushing it out to sea she's the best we're going to get out of them at first. It's not like they're going to become Fred Thompson fans overnight, just like the rest of America didn't start wanting to suckle the tit of Momma Gubmint after the first progressive was elected. All shifts in ideology take time.

Posted by: Colonel32 at July 24, 2009 12:53 PM (dfQ4e)

88 Texas to obama - take your healthcare and stick up your ass.

Hyped up re election ploy or not I like it.

Posted by: evil libertarian at July 24, 2009 12:57 PM (onKfr)

89 di butler Trish,
Drew, Dave, Slu, and I are also on twitter. FYI.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 24, 2009 12:59 PM (ztNrs)

90 What would happen if the 'Pubs ignored the Wrinkly Old Bag and called it "government-run healthcare" anyway?
After all, rules are made to be broken.

Posted by: Rush Babe at July 24, 2009 01:02 PM (LKkE8)

91 Thanks Gabe. I started following you all a few days ago. Funny stuff.

Posted by: Trish at July 24, 2009 01:08 PM (0U5Kd)

92 They should ask the USSC to take original jurisdiction in a complaint filed there.

Posted by: Dave in Oklahoma at July 24, 2009 01:37 PM (UGrKd)

93 All the sudden that statement sounds about half as clever.

Posted by: Dave in Oklahoma at July 24, 2009 01:50 PM (UGrKd)

94 It's going to be government run no matter what they try to claim. And let's not forget, the rationing part of it is already public law. It was enacted as part of the stimulus package. Nobody seems to remember that even though it was only a few months ago.

Posted by: Bill R. at July 24, 2009 02:11 PM (EhlQq)

95 I remind you that we're talking about California. Shy of sawing the fucker off and pushing it out to sea she's the best we're going to get out of them at first. It's not like they're going to become Fred Thompson fans overnight
They may, they may not. In either case it advances neither the interests of the country or of the GOP if both parties are liberal.
I'm open to the idea that we should not be to too eager to boot ot the existing squishes. But it's a no-brainer that we badly need to stop electing more of them!
Liberalism is what fucked Californina in the first place. (And the country, for that matter.) More liberalism is not the solution, and it's not magically transformed into a solution by having an "R" attached to it. You'd think that people who voted for Arnie would grasp that.

Posted by: flenser at July 24, 2009 02:19 PM (FXfR4)

96 Is "Franking" Commission what we have to call it at Ace's now, so Ace can attract some high-end advertisers?

Posted by: andycanuck at July 24, 2009 03:38 PM (l1f4+)

97 Taking it in the squeakhole from our own side is getting old.

Posted by: Andy at July 24, 2009 04:03 PM (QYJUz)

98 Control the language and you gain control of the conversion.
The GOP has to learn not to submit to these well-proven tactics.

Posted by: epobirs at July 24, 2009 04:07 PM (eq/Us)

99 Typical brain dead Democrats. They think if they cover a dog turd with peanut butter the dumb ass people will eat it.

Posted by: rplat at July 24, 2009 04:07 PM (G1ArL)

100
What then, Nan?

You Awful Woman. Gad Awful, Botoxed Crapwich piece of feces self-inflated airbag Bitch Skank...


FIFY

Posted by: enter sandman at July 24, 2009 04:08 PM (zxaA2)

101 We are so franked.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at July 24, 2009 04:09 PM (CD/9F)

102 @100 Tell us how you really feel.

Posted by: dananjcon at July 24, 2009 04:09 PM (1B81L)

103 I don't know what all the hoopla is about,Barack HuggyBear Obama is gonna waive his magicpimp stick and make it all go away. LITERALLY!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at July 24, 2009 04:12 PM (1B81L)

104 @100 you forgot liberal and feminist

Posted by: 12 Inch Middle Finger at July 24, 2009 04:14 PM (n2vBd)

105 Third party.
Like last week fast. What a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 24, 2009 04:14 PM (B+qrE)

106 Franks and beans! In your bottom!11!

Posted by: Warren at July 24, 2009 04:15 PM (XoYY8)

107 FUCK!, The Cardinals got Matt Holliday!

Posted by: dananjcon at July 24, 2009 04:15 PM (1B81L)

108 Typical brain dead Democrats. They think if they cover a dog turd with peanut butter the dumb ass people will eat it.
Posted by: rplat at July 24, 2009 04:07 PM (G1ArL)

Didn't they do just that on Nov. 4, 2008?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 24, 2009 04:16 PM (1Jaio)

109 “I’ve been lied to,” Blue Dog Coalition Co-Chairman Charlie
Melancon (D-La.) said on Friday. “We have not had legitimate
negotiations.“Mr. Waxman has decided to sever discussions with
the Blue Dogs who are trying to make this bill work for America,”
Melancon said.
Although those Blue Dogs were supposed to be
headed back into another meeting of the Energy and Commerce Democrats,
their anger was visible.

If the two sides cannot reach an
agreement, the only hope for passage of the bill in the House will be
to go straight to the floor, an option leaders shied away from
endorsing but said was an option.

But the Blue Dogs issued dire warnings to leaders contemplating that approach.

"Waxman
simply does not have votes in committee and process should not be
bypassed to bring the bill straight to floor,” Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.),
the lead Blue Dog negotiator, said on Friday. “We are trying to save
this bill and trying to save this party.”

Melancon said there
would be 40-45 “solid no” votes from the 52-strong Blue Dogs, among
other problems throughout the caucus. And Melancon said there are more
Democrats who will vote against the bill. “If they try to bring it to the floor, I think they’ll find out they have more problems than the Blue Dogs.”
A leadership aide said no decisions have been made on how to proceed.

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at July 24, 2009 04:17 PM (5r0Tz)

110 FUCK!, The Cardinals got Matt Holliday!
This is what happens when you stupidly give Catholics guns.
What?
I'm just channeling the White House press release.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 24, 2009 04:17 PM (B+qrE)

111 107

FUCK!, The Cardinals got Matt Holliday!



Posted by: dananjcon at July 24, 2009 04:15 PM (1B81L)

good for my fantasy team...holliday was suucking at oak

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at July 24, 2009 04:17 PM (5r0Tz)

112 Q: How do you know what a liberal will do tomorrow?

A: Just look at what they are attack Conservatives about today.


What was that about Bush stifling free speech and dissenting viewpoints? Conservatives and racism vs Obama and his buddies? Culture of corruption vs NJ? I can go on and on.

Posted by: Just Another Poster at July 24, 2009 04:17 PM (HAdov)

113 Since the gummint will be issuing guidelines to private insurers (while they last), it WILL be government-run.

Posted by: nickless at July 24, 2009 04:19 PM (MMC8r)

114 109 this kinda news makes my monkey wiggle...good monkey!

Posted by: dananjcon at July 24, 2009 04:20 PM (1B81L)

115 He did say he won, didn't he?

Posted by: Todd at July 24, 2009 04:20 PM (RNwpX)

116 I went to high school with Matt Holliday. He was an asshole.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 24, 2009 04:23 PM (ztNrs)

117 Fuck the gop.
Now it's time for a third party; tell these eunuchs and hermaphrodites in the gop to go to hell.

Posted by: The Great Satan™ at July 24, 2009 04:24 PM (knIKF)

118
The reply: "Yes."


Actually, I added the period. Somehow I feel like I'm not getting enough bang for my tax-payer buck. DETAILS, PLEASE!



BWAHAHAHAHA!
/I could understand their simplicity if responding to an illiterate attention deficit democrat.
//You'd think they'd have their response ready by now. They ARE momentarily dependent on OUR help emailing the news around.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 24, 2009 04:24 PM (F1b/5)

119 Idk, Gabe, getting a direct answer to any question to an elected representative is a pretty mean feat.

Posted by: alexthechick at July 24, 2009 04:25 PM (SHHaV)

120 #109
Don't buy it. It's all part of the show they want to play for the sheeple. Bottom line is the marxist party is going to eventually shove something down our throats whether we want it or not..........

Posted by: paranoid polly at July 24, 2009 04:27 PM (YLNjm)

121 "cha-franking" sounds like something governors would pay hookers extra for.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 24, 2009 04:33 PM (NtiET)

122 Please don't take this the wrong way guys, but damn, my party might be full of crooks and traitors, but yours is full of pussies.
in the end there will only be.... (can't steal a signature line)

Posted by: navycopjoe at July 24, 2009 04:33 PM (JQYPY)

123 Waxman got his ass kicked from elementary to high school, fucking freaky looking peice of shit

Posted by: Todd at July 24, 2009 04:41 PM (RNwpX)

124 alexthechick at July 24, 2009 04:25

I wrote my Congressman specific questions, got a form response applicable to the subject at large, but then the next day got a mass newsletter that provided the specific information I requested. But this guy has always been into efficiency and rose from the grassroots from city council to Congress.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 24, 2009 04:50 PM (F1b/5)

125 Gabe:

Started with Dan Lungren (R-CA03) office since he is the ranking Republican on the Franking Commission (there are 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans). Got sent to the commission staffers who, at least the ones I talked to, are friendly and professional.

In a nutshell: anything that is mailed out using tax $$ requires these six people to approve of the contents of he mailing. And approval requires a simple majority. And a 3-3 tie is not a majority.

The objection that there was to the phrase "Government-run Healthcare" is that the current bill, such as it is, is not 100% government run. We still have the private option (that discussion is probably for a different posting).

So for your edification the Commission members are (I'll save what comments I know about some of them for later, if at all):

Democrats:

Susan Davis, Chair (CA-53)
Brad Sherman (CA-27)
Donna Edwards (MD-04)
Republicans:
Dan Lundgren, Ranking (CA-03)
Kevin McCarthy (CA-22)
Dr. Tom Price (GA-06)

It's nearly 5:00 pm in Washington. Call 'em if your pissed.

Better yet, suggest that they change the p

Posted by: David in San Diego at July 24, 2009 04:53 PM (GF+6V)

126 There's a crazy conspiracy website I visit for entertainment purposes only, one of the posters there has called this this "Kill Grandma Bill."

I nominate that as a alternative to "government run health care."


Posted by: shibumi at July 24, 2009 05:11 PM (OKZrE)

127 The mailing says “House Democrats unveiled a government-run health care plan”.

The mailing does not say “House Democrats unveiled a 100% government-run health care plan”.

It does not even say “House Democrats unveiled the government-run health plan”.

It is a government-run health plan.

This is positively Orwellian.

FWIW, will be sending my thoughts to the CHA-Franking page comment form (both links seem to go to the same page; don’t see a distinction between R and D).

Posted by: Home of Joe Biden at July 24, 2009 05:40 PM (YpNr0)

128 The first rule of Government-Run Health Care is you don't talk about Government-Run Health Care.





The second rule of Government-Run Health Care is you don't talk about Government-Run Health Care.





Posted by: Evil Red Scandi at July 24, 2009 05:44 PM (erlfI)

129 Why the hell don't the republicans just stuff every other franking item as no. Stop the whole damn waste of taxpayer money entirely by denying everything. Grow a pair... or more.

Posted by: ray at July 24, 2009 06:13 PM (ve72s)

130 Why should any politician get to send out free mail. I gotten several supposed surveys from congressmen that seemed to be more about getting their name out and doing campaign research than anything else. This seems like incumbent protection.

Posted by: scott at July 24, 2009 06:39 PM (/AcLU)

131 In Jr. High, Waxman wore a sign on his back that said..."My folks would like you to slap, kick and punch me every which way from Sunday. They feel it might help my looks"

Posted by: Sparky at July 24, 2009 06:43 PM (J1f2W)

132 I have prepared a list of the Franking Commission Fax and Phone Numbers, including a convenient on-line fax system link. It is at the SHRINE OF FLAMING CAPITALISM.

Posted by: Mutnodjmet at July 24, 2009 06:47 PM (tWqQO)

133 In case my above link doesn't work, here is the FAX AND PHONE list for the commission: http://bit.ly/15sxKD

Posted by: Mutnodjmet at July 24, 2009 06:49 PM (tWqQO)

134 This argument over wording is understandable. After all, we're talking about the political party where TERRORISM = MAN CAUSED DISASTER.

Posted by: GarandFan at July 24, 2009 07:08 PM (C3okI)

135 Susan Davis, Chair (CA-53)
God, I hate her. She wouldvote for anything her party betters told her to and is blast-proof because of how her district is gerrymandered.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at July 24, 2009 07:09 PM (H7Rlw)

136 Put this thing up on the internet and charge a fee. Fuck San Fran Nan.

Posted by: trentk269 at July 24, 2009 07:17 PM (Jb7eL)

137 Evidently the 3 repulicans on the franking commission have no cajones.
Let's begin electing Men and Women who are to be feared.

Posted by: tangonine at July 24, 2009 07:24 PM (C8Pcc)

138 In fact, I volunteer.

Posted by: tangonine at July 24, 2009 07:29 PM (C8Pcc)

139 In a nutshell: anything that is mailed out using tax $$ requires these six people to approve of the contents of he mailing. And approval requires a simple majority. And a 3-3 tie is not a majority.

In other words, the Republicans on the commitee can block anything and everything the Democrats want to mail out, correct?

Posted by: flenser at July 24, 2009 07:54 PM (C67lh)

140 Well, if the Repub leadership Juan McCainhadn't forbidden the base and Sarah from saying things like ...
Obama attended a racist church for 20 years
Obama was BFF with a domestic terrorist
Obama is an active socialist and marxist
Obama does not want what is best for the country
Obama is unqualified to be president

... then maybe this wouldn't be an issue today.

Posted by: Mark E at July 24, 2009 08:39 PM (P8gpI)

141 What is it? The Fracking Commission? The Al Franken Commission?

Either way, whst a hideous power grab. So like the Left.

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145
Can't open merge file /htbin/formproc.pl/charep/about/faq_parm.txt: No such file or directoryYour request could not be processed because of the above error. Nothing has been saved. Please notify the manager of this web site that a problem was encountered.
If no web site manager information is available for this site, please use the Web Comments form for the US House of Representatives to report the error. Please be sure to include as much information as possible (such as the Location/Address of the web page being used when the error occurred) so that steps can be taken to resolve the issue.
Thank you.

That's what I got when I tried to send them a message.

Posted by: EvilMonk at July 25, 2009 06:07 AM (bQsra)

146 LET THE DEMACRATIC HEADS ROLL OFF WITH THEIR HEADS

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at July 25, 2009 10:17 AM (zWA1Z)

147 #61 That is a fantastic idea...Republicans need to modify the verbiage on theChart to include that phraseology...then the Dems can't complain because Republicans technically aren't calling the plan by the "wrongname."..
Seriously, Republicans should make that modification and then mail the thing out just like that. People will get the right idea.

Posted by: Juliet16 at July 25, 2009 02:55 PM (2xgu5)

148 Dan Lungren is a weasel Republican gun grabber who lost to the Grey Satan.

Why is he still around?

Posted by: torabora at July 25, 2009 04:17 PM (QFACg)

149 George Orwell is looking more and more like a prophet every day.
The Democratic regime is pulling a bureaucractic double-speak on an already dumbed-down constituency. Just switch the word “government” to “public option” and it’ll seem like everyone has a choice, rather than being forced to take what the government dishes out.This socialist “health care reform” needs to go down in flames.

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