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Palin 1, Obama 0: California Budget Compromise Allows Drilling Off Santa Barbara Coast

Why only Santa Barbara? Because in this instance the oil producers were able to mollify the environmental freaks by shutting down oil rigs closer to the shore; these rigs will slant-drill from further out. They also agreed to shut down some production facilities by 2022.

This sort of compromise doesn't seem easily replicated, as most of the drilling we need is new and can't be offset by shutting down other rigs

It's not a clear win for Drill Here, Drill Now, but it's something. In the net, more oil will be produced. Assuming this isn't all sabotaged by the enviros through lawsuits.

Because California is in such dire financial straights they've actually agreed to start producing valuable goods again.

California could allow new oil drilling under a tentative agreement the state's governor and lawmakers reached to plug the state's $26.3 billion budget hole.

In a rare agreement with environmental groups, oil producer Plains Exploration & Production Co. (PXP) has proposed promptly expanding oil drilling off the coast of Santa Barbara, then shutting down four oil platforms and two onshore processing facilities in Santa Barbara by 2022. The company also agreed to donate 4,000 acres of land for public use. The company would slant-drill into the state's seafloor from a platform it operates in federal waters.

Environmental and community groups in Santa Barbara have hailed the project, called Tranquillon Ridge, as a major milestone in their efforts to shut down the oil rigs off Santa Barbara's coast. Current law allows offshore drilling operations that were in place prior to a 1981 moratorium on new offshore drilling to continue indefinitely.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has championed the project as a new source of desperately needed cash to fill the state's budget gap. The state would collect an up-front payment of $100 million from Plains, followed by and as much as $2.3 billion in royalties over the 13 years of the project.

The budget compromise supposedly ends the crisis without raising taxes. Which is a clearer victory.

Posted by: Ace at 03:18 PM



Comments

1 Hey, Al Gore!!  How's my ass taste?

Posted by: Fmr. Gov. Sarah Palin at July 21, 2009 03:20 PM (5aa4z)

2 Wait a minute- you mean to say that drilling off the shore of a state will result in large amounts of money pouring into the coffers of said state?

What a bizarre concept- does anyone else know about this? This could really be a good thing...

Posted by: moonbeam fruitnnuts, california rezdent at July 21, 2009 03:21 PM (LJcCh)

3

So CA finally worked up the courage to kneel down and suck Exxon's dick?  Swallow it hard, CA!!!  It may be the one thing to save your sorry broke ass.

 

Posted by: EC at July 21, 2009 03:22 PM (mAhn3)

4
It's about time.

If these silly drilling bans aren't a perfect example of how government is the problem more often than the solution, I don't know how else we can show it.

I sound like a broken record, but the GOP's best bet is to go after the hard hats. Forget pandering to hispanics. Pander to the taxpaying class of people who work hard and play by the rules and keep getting screwed by their government and union leadership.


Posted by: Tweets at July 21, 2009 03:23 PM (Cllb7)

5

{I hope it appropriate to post this long piece here.  I actually wrote this earlier today.  It's on topic and I'd appreciate feedback as I try to develop my writing for future endeavors.} 

 

Being a conservative definitely has its frustrations.  But they don't come because our beliefs, when followed, fail.  Our frustrations are usually because libos continue to fight against reality, common sense, and the laws of economics while chipping away at the American exceptionalism. 

We often think it must be easier on the left.  After all, the media, Hollywood, the world all love leftists.  Basking in the glow of adulation 24/7 can't be all bad.  Still, the libos have to deal with something true principled conservatism will never face...the blowback of unintended consequences. 

Yes, months ago, many of us on this very blog site were frothing, foaming, bemoaning, and cursing the passing of the Porkulus bill.  Rightly so.  Just because we know they will fail if enacted, we shouldn't just let this leftist push go. But, today, Porkulus is quickly becoming the anchor B to the O and his team will have to drag around for the remainder of his presidency.  An anchor which could quite possibly lead to strong R gains in 2010.  The fury is growing on the left...they got everything they want, but it may cost them much of what they have. 

Now, consider what may become the mother of all unintended consequences.  It's probably worth a doctoral thesis, so no stealing my idea, but here it is in a few sentences.  For years, the libos and their allies in the enviro wacko movement have stifled all efforts to access our vast, and mostly untapped oil resources.  We've all been frustrated at the lunacy of paying countries who hate us billions of dollars each year for oil when our own reserves lie under-utilized. 

However, allow yourself to project forward 25, 50 years.  Barring major advances in alternate energy technology (technology which is still too expensive relative to oil to come to fruition), oil will remain the driving force of the world's economy.  But, supplies elsewhere will shrink and technology will start to step in.  However, that transition will likely be a long and expensive one and the engines of growth will still demand vast quantities of black gold.  Where oh where could such quantities be found? 

So, while oil remains relatively cheap, I'm revising my former chants of "drill here, drill now" to "drink there, drink now".  And, if trends continue, in a not so distant time, America will be able to stand atop vast, mostly untapped oil reserves (reserves that will be cheaper to acess than they are now), point a 12-inch middle finger skyward and say to the entire middle-east and the rest of the oil-thirsty world, "We drank your milkshake! We drank it up!" 

Oh, the richness of that irony.  The world will truly be over a barrell.  We'll be holding all cards and will generate untold wealth for Americans as the world pays our price to survive economically.  And we'll do so with a h/t to the libos and their hair-shirt friends, and of course, the law of unintended consequences. 

Will liberalism die because B to the O's disasterous policies and their unintended consequences peel the scales back from the eyes of those blinded with hopey-changey?  No.  Liberalism is a human condition more than a political movement.  But, I firmly believe, if we can stand in the gap and hold off as much as possible, what O is trying to accomplish, the tide will turn and conservatism will again rise.  We should fight tooth and nail, because American exceptionalism isn't something to apologize for or run from.  We have to fight to keep American exceptionalism and our place at the top of the world's order because we are the only ones who treat that position with respect and dignitiy it commands.  But, there is a quiet comfort knowing that even when the libos "win" eventually we'll bask in the glory of schadenfreude as reality and unintended consequences administer a beatdown to their utopian dreams once again.  We just have to stay in the game. 

 

 

Posted by: The Hammer at July 21, 2009 03:24 PM (YBTwf)

6

Huh, not sure what to say after those first few comments. Pretty much says it all. Where's lace wigs?

Posted by: di butler at July 21, 2009 03:24 PM (tjdui)

7 Ace, it's only a temporary fix.

The shit will hit the fan once the California State Pension Fund announces how big its shortfall is this year, at which point the state will be forced to make good on that deficit.


Their current projected deficit is $56.8 BILLION, which makes this current budget issue a drop in the bucket.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 21, 2009 03:24 PM (w0x9x)

8

Nice to hear about the drilling, but the reality is that permits will get stalled in an unending morass of litigation from the Sierra Club, and the rest of the enviro-nazis.

Posted by: ICBM at July 21, 2009 03:24 PM (qOE2s)

9 Hey, Al Gore!!  How's my ass taste?

Posted by: Fmr. Gov. Sarah Palin at July 21, 2009 03:20 PM (5aa4z)

You're still Governor until Sunday.  Just sayin'.

Posted by: Editor at July 21, 2009 03:29 PM (pUfK9)

10 Nothing like a 24billion budget hole to get peoples heads out of their ass, just gotta wait now for NIMBY'S to crawl outta of the woodwork...I say Babs Streisand will be first sound off.  

Posted by: dananjcon at July 21, 2009 03:30 PM (1B81L)

11 Hmmm ....

Que bebieron mi shake con leche?

?

Posted by: Baja California, Mexico at July 21, 2009 03:30 PM (ruzrP)

12

AP-GfK Poll: Great hopes for Obama fade to reality

WASHINGTON (AP) -- That was fast.

The hope and optimism that washed over the country in the opening months of Barack Obama's presidency are giving way to harsh realities.

http://tinyurl.com/nfp6d7

 

Posted by: barry at July 21, 2009 03:33 PM (/Mla1)

13

I DRIIIIINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!!!

Posted by: Daniel Fairview at July 21, 2009 03:34 PM (7DB+a)

14

/sockpuppet

The number of people who think Obama can improve the economy is down a sobering 19 percentage points from the euphoric days just before his inauguration. Ditto for expectations about creating jobs. Also down significantly: the share of people who think he can reduce the deficit, remove troops from Iraq and improve respect for the U.S. around the world, all slipping 15 points.

Posted by: yinzer at July 21, 2009 03:34 PM (/Mla1)

15

Because California is in such dire financial straights

er... it's straits.

Besides, there are damn few straights in Cali anymore.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at July 21, 2009 03:35 PM (SCcgT)

16 O/T:  woo hoo apple beats again, huge.  Damn I wish I'd bought more when it was at its low.  2.6 micllion macs.   Go steve and co, stick it to them.  (thanks for letting me share)

Posted by: muffy at July 21, 2009 03:35 PM (zplc6)

17

Well problem solved..let the handouts, gov't waste, social engineering and entitlements begin...AGAIN!

 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 21, 2009 03:36 PM (1B81L)

18

Damn it!

Posted by: Pretentious Volvo-driving Santa Barbara Yuppies at July 21, 2009 03:37 PM (teb/C)

19 That's my milkshake you boy.

Posted by: Daniel Plainview at July 21, 2009 03:39 PM (7DB+a)

20 Legalize and tax weed. That'll be California's cash crop, and everybody will be mellow about living in a state that's going down the toilet. Dude.

Posted by: joncelli at July 21, 2009 03:39 PM (RD7QR)

21
I say Babs Streisand will be first sound off. 

From her private jet, maybe.

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 21, 2009 03:40 PM (Haq+B)

22 Today some chick was on CNBC saying that educated wealthy people were leaving the state in droves to go to better opportunities.  Some of whom were jsut walking away from their homes and mortgages.  how are they dealing with that?

Posted by: muffy at July 21, 2009 03:41 PM (zplc6)

23 I love oil...Deep, rich, dark chocolatey goodness from the bowels of mother nature herself...AAAAAHH   I wanna dip my balls in it! 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 21, 2009 03:43 PM (1B81L)

24

Oh nooooo!  That will take 10 years!  We have to do something right now or the crisis will just get worse!  What are they thinking?  What about the planet?  What about the future?  Carbon footprints!  Alternative energy!  Global Waaarrrrmmmming!

Slllllaaappp! 

Oh - sorry.  I got caught up channelling a democrat.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 21, 2009 03:43 PM (RkRxq)

25 Weren't we told to look to California for an example of how a state can be ecologically and economically sound?

Posted by: CUS at July 21, 2009 03:44 PM (wOGfT)

26 fyi ot morons:
cavuto is about to do a segment on the great obama science czar.
fox news

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at July 21, 2009 03:47 PM (5r0Tz)

27 Not to worry, the cvourts will be used to prevent the drilling before it even begins.  Don't forget that is the 9th circuit.

Posted by: muffy at July 21, 2009 03:47 PM (zplc6)

28 Was this scheme concocted by Burns Slant Drilling Co.?

Posted by: t-bone at July 21, 2009 03:47 PM (YUrMe)

29 I drink your latte! I drink it up!

Posted by: The Santa Barbara Edition at July 21, 2009 03:48 PM (RD7QR)

30 I suspect that the hole that CA is in is bigger than $26B. Much bigger.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at July 21, 2009 03:48 PM (iC0KP)

31 You know, Ace 'O Spades at work is a real productivity killer...

Posted by: joncelli at July 21, 2009 03:49 PM (RD7QR)

32 the reality is that permits will get stalled in an unending morass of litigation

And if that doesn't work, Congress can butt in.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at July 21, 2009 03:50 PM (NtiET)

33 Y'all do realize that if this causes a huge influx of money into CA's coffers they're just going to keep increasing spending, right? The CA legislature has never met a dollar it couldn't spend.

Posted by: wherestherum at July 21, 2009 03:50 PM (gofDd)

34
You know, Ace 'O Spades at work is a real productivity killer...

No kidding, you are so right.  Beats hell out of messing with sharepoint server, though.

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 21, 2009 03:52 PM (Haq+B)

35

You know, Ace 'O Spades at work is a real productivity killer...

Shhhh...

 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 21, 2009 03:53 PM (1B81L)

36 Y'all do realize that if this causes a huge influx of money into CA's coffers they're just going to keep increasing spending, right?

Yeah, it'll be like a wino finding an abandoned semi filled with Ripple and Mad-Dog 20/20. And I keep trying to find a downside to that, but I can't think of anything. Kinda scary, really.

Posted by: joncelli at July 21, 2009 03:53 PM (RD7QR)

37 There will be blood.... or milkshakes

Posted by: polynikes at July 21, 2009 03:54 PM (m2CN7)

38

Oh holy hell no. 

Campbell Brown says 'CNN only one (including her) during real journalism'.

http://tinyurl.com/mj3ujs

 

Posted by: momma at July 21, 2009 03:54 PM (penCf)

39 Gerald Nadler jsut said that he is not covered by his government plan but rather he is covered by his wife's government employee plan and that city employees I guess in NY have a better plan than Congress.  He seemed real proud of that. 

Posted by: muffy at July 21, 2009 03:54 PM (zplc6)

40 Campbell Brown says 'CNN only one (including her) during real journalism'.

Well, for extremely small values of "journalism."

Posted by: joncelli at July 21, 2009 03:55 PM (RD7QR)

41

Was this scheme concocted by Burns Slant Drilling Co.?

Can't get the image of Homer S. Working the drilling platform(s) outta my head...stay tuned!

 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 21, 2009 03:55 PM (1B81L)

42 This is not a fix, just a stop gap measure to get through the next six months. State employee pensions are very large and just the tip of the iceberg. Tax collections will be less and Democrats still are resisting all types of cuts. California's majority are just now realizing that "hope and change" will not magically deliver revenue and millions of green jobs.
Borrowing from counties is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Much deeper cuts need to follow and all State employees (management, rank & file) need to share the pain.
Don't hold your breath for any longer term fix.

Posted by: john at July 21, 2009 03:55 PM (6FYZ6)

43 It is worth it to put on Faux just to see the faces Cavuto is making.

Posted by: muffy at July 21, 2009 03:56 PM (zplc6)

44 I liked the old platforms -- they were lit up like Christmas trees out on the water. And I hear that the diving around them was awesome -- they were oases of sea life in the middle of the big blue.

Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2009 03:56 PM (u+gbs)

45

@42 Party pooper, I Thought all our troubles were over, that Obamanomics was working in CAli.  WTF. I'm going home and taking my corny quips w/me!

 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 21, 2009 03:59 PM (1B81L)

46

I liked the old platforms -- they were lit up like Christmas trees out on the water. And I hear that the diving around them was awesome -- they were oases of sea life in the middle of the big blue.

It was and still is. Nothing is more maddening than watching great old warships like the USS Oriskany sunk for artificial reefs, with no eco-fiend opposition. Yet putting a drilling rig reef out there? Heavens no!

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2009 04:01 PM (ujg0T)

47

@46 tru dat good purnt.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 21, 2009 04:02 PM (1B81L)

48

I hadn't even heard of this bill. 

http://tinyurl.com/nugfpc

 Major farm groups are concerned that a bill in Congress intended to shore-up food-safety guidelines could actually make it harder for some livestock and poultry producers to guarantee safe food

 
The current version of the Food Safety Enhancement Act, sponsored by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), would give the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) oversight of livestock farms across the country, thus requiring all ranchers and farmers to meet new regulations, as dictated by the FDA.

The farm groups complained that the bill would give the FDA authority to oversee farms and set standards for livestock producers, as well as require producers to pay for inspections.
\
“The bill must contain clear legislative language ensuring that FDA is not granted the authority to regulate livestock on-farm by mandating production standards for cattlemen across the country,” Sam Ives of the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association told members of the committee in testimony Thursday.
“Live animals are not ‘food’ until the point of processing, which is why this bill needs to clarify that the FDA does not have regulatory authority on our farms, ranches or feedlots,” Ives said.

Posted by: momma at July 21, 2009 04:02 PM (penCf)

49 I LOVE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS TOO CTHULHU!!!!

www.BikerFox.com

Posted by: BikerFox at July 21, 2009 04:03 PM (ngD76)

50 Enviro Wackos not sue over this?  Dream on.

Posted by: Otis Myman at July 21, 2009 04:03 PM (mka2b)

51

I sound like a broken record, but the GOP's best bet is to go after the hard hats. Forget pandering to hispanics. Pander to the taxpaying class of people who work hard and play by the rules and keep getting screwed by their government and union leadership.

But those hard hat hicks won't fill our drinks promptly, nor will they clean our houses or garden our estates with the proper subservience. We can't have that. You're just being racist.

Posted by: Wall Street Journal Staff at July 21, 2009 04:04 PM (ujg0T)

52 Keep up the good work Hammer! 

Posted by: daydreamin at July 21, 2009 04:05 PM (wnU1W)

53 Holy shitstain, Batman. Waxman is as dangerous as Obama.

Posted by: Otis Myman at July 21, 2009 04:05 PM (mka2b)

54

May 5, 2009

George Soros' hedge fund Soros Fund Management has disclosed a new position in Plains Exploration. In a 13G filed with the SEC, Soros Fund Management now shows a 5.38% ownership stake in PXP due to activity on April 21st, 2009. They now own 6,467,400 shares. Again, this is a new holding for Soros Fund Management, as they previously did not hold it when we last looked at Soros' portfolio.

http://tinyurl.com/lnmrl7

May 14, 2009

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is pushing legislation SNIP

The project, which was unveiled last year, enjoyed unprecedented support from many anti-oil drilling environmental organizations. Several key groups in Santa Barbara agreed to lobby for the project after reaching an agreement with the oil company, Houston-based Plains Exploration & Production. Under the deal, the company would provide money for the state and a commitment to shut down its operations countywide by 2022.

Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 21, 2009 04:06 PM (dQdrY)

55

When I get through with you motherfuckers, you'll be walkin' your sorry asses everywhere!

And don't think I can't do it.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at July 21, 2009 04:08 PM (gHrZU)

56

But those hard hat hicks won't fill our drinks promptly, nor will they clean our houses or garden our estates with the proper subservience. We can't have that. You're just being racist.

I'm available for work and I work cheap!

Posted by: Speedy Gonzalez at July 21, 2009 04:10 PM (gHrZU)

57

It's still a net win.  Fuck you Al Gore.

 

Posted by: KingShamus at July 21, 2009 04:10 PM (5BgCg)

58

I sound like a broken record, but the GOP's best bet is to go after the hard hats. Forget pandering to hispanics. Pander to the taxpaying class of people who work hard and play by the rules and keep getting screwed by their government and union leadership.

More seriously, I know a good many here didn't like Huckabee (and for good reasons), but for a time it did seem that he was the sort of Republican who could connect to Main Street and not just Wall Street.

The Bushyrovies just didn't get it, and sadly I suspect too many in the GOP stiill don't.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2009 04:11 PM (ujg0T)

59 Oil drilling has become more safe and efficient since the problems in the 70's. It has never occurred to the "smart, educated and oh so... intelligent liberal " Californians to look at the performance of platforms and pipelines in the gulf of Mexico after the hurricanes.
Yes, I know we have earthquakes too.....
State needs billions of revenue and oil drilling in coastal areas can sure help. I live here and yes, swim in the Oceans too. California is so full of NIMBYS that we can't build power plants, expend pipelines, drill for oil. ...We can provide health care, education, welfare to a permanent underclass and 25% of Mexico's former residents...and according to liberals should raise taxes on everyone's income.

Posted by: john at July 21, 2009 04:12 PM (6FYZ6)

60

The shit will hit the fan once the California State Pension Fund announces how big its shortfall is this year, at which point the state will be forced to make good on that deficit.

In Omaha, Nebraska we've got a 500 million dollar budget shortfall due to fire and police pensions. The good citizens decided to elect a fucking democrat that doesn't play well with others as mayor. He's been hiring staff at astronomical salaries, far more than the city paid previous administrators.

Yay! That'll fix that budget shortfall!

Posted by: jaleach at July 21, 2009 04:14 PM (gHrZU)

61 The CA legislature has never met a dollar it couldn't spend twice .

Posted by: CUS at July 21, 2009 04:16 PM (wOGfT)

62 Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 21, 2009 04:06 PM (dQdrY)

Fuck.  Is there anything going on in any government anywhere in this country that isn't dirty?

Posted by: CB at July 21, 2009 04:17 PM (9Wv2j)

63 When you walk the sand on a Santa Barbara beach, you need to dodge the oil deposits.  Some like to say it's from those bad old oil spills (two decades or more ago), but that's not true.  There is so much oil there that it bubbles up from the ocean floor and floats to shore.  Cash strapped Californians are stupid not to use this resource.  Ok, they're already stupid....they're moronic not to use this resource.

Posted by: marybel at July 21, 2009 04:17 PM (40oKN)

64 Posted by: Pretentious Volvo-driving Santa Barbara Yuppies at July 21, 2009 03:37 PM (teb/C)

The pretentious lefty yuppie scum that lives here seem to have traded in most of their Volvos for Prius' (Priui?). There's a definite shift.

Either way, they still suck.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 21, 2009 04:18 PM (btril)

65 <i><b>Fmr. Gov. Sarah Palin:</b>Hey, Al Gore!!  How's my ass taste?</i>

If Palin opponents get a taste of that ass, I might just be persuaded to nominally change sides.

Posted by: Jazz at July 21, 2009 04:18 PM (hnq5i)

66 "62 Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 21, 2009 04:06 PM (dQdrY)

Fuck.  Is there anything going on in any government anywhere in this country that isn't dirty?

Posted by: CB at July 21, 2009 04:17 PM (9Wv2j)"

Forget the 9th circuit, forget uncle al, "it's all good" ugh

Posted by: muffy at July 21, 2009 04:19 PM (zplc6)

67 Didn't you see that documentary There Will Be Blood about the oil business that came out last year?  They splatter oil all over the place bringing it to the surface.  And those oil-men are a bunch of ruthless SOBs too.

Posted by: Intelligent Liberal Californian at July 21, 2009 04:20 PM (RykTt)

68

When you walk the sand on a Santa Barbara beach, you need to dodge the oil deposits.  Some like to say it's from those bad old oil spills (two decades or more ago), but that's not true.  There is so much oil there that it bubbles up from the ocean floor and floats to shore.  Cash strapped Californians are stupid not to use this resource.  Ok, they're already stupid....they're moronic not to use this resource.

Indeed, the early Spanish padres noted oil washing ashore in their records.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2009 04:21 PM (ujg0T)

69 When you walk the sand on a Santa Barbara beach, you need to dodge the oil deposits.  Some like to say it's from those bad old oil spills (two decades or more ago), but that's not true.  There is so much oil there that it bubbles up from the ocean floor and floats to shore.

Yeah, and about every two years the local media do 2-3 day scare stories about the oil on the beaches, only to mention the natural oil seeps at the end of the series.

There's a reason why UCSB is built right next to Coal Oil Point.

I expect to see an increased number of news stories about Greka Oil Co. The local envirowhackjobs freak out every time Greka spills a gallon of crude while doing maintenance.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 21, 2009 04:24 PM (btril)

70 so glad i moved out of california. that state is bankrupt now.

 it's disgusting what a disproportionate amount of illegal aliens can do to a city like LA. it's disgusting how much money is wasted on services on them. from our court systems, jails, schools, to the very streets themselves -down town LA looks like tiajuana btw.

Glad i got out when i did. Let the state go bankrupt and see how long it takes for the libs to start whining.

Posted by: annak at July 21, 2009 04:26 PM (M4IOE)

71 Indeed, the early Spanish padres noted oil washing ashore in their records.

Depending on when Google/Yahoo updates their aerial photography, you can often see the oil seeps in satellite photos.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 21, 2009 04:28 PM (btril)

72

The Bushyrovies just didn't get it, and sadly I suspect too many in the GOP still don't.

If I understand you right, you're saying it's a losing strategy to keep being the party of big business, big corporations, anti-unions, etc.?

I agree. It's fucking stupid for us to be the ones who keep defending Wal-Mart, Exxon, etc. Fuck them. They can take care of themselves and, besides, they give big money to Democrats, so fuck 'em.

Reagan won over Democrats by effectively articulating how government was fucking them, not helping them. Reagan knew how to connect to the middle-class and showed them how the Democrats and union leaders did not have their best interests at heart.

Today, we have Republicans protecting credit card companies, insurance companies, etc. Of course the Democrats are going to use that against the Republicans!!!

The winning strategy: fuck the lobbyists, fuck the big and small interest groups. protect the working class from the wolves in government and business and the masses will love you.





Posted by: Tweets Biden at July 21, 2009 04:32 PM (Cllb7)

73

EC

 

Eat shit, and pull your uncle's dick out of your ass

Posted by: Todd at July 21, 2009 04:32 PM (RNwpX)

74

Never fear, CA will screw this up.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2009 04:32 PM (CDUiN)

75 Just down the coast from Santa Barbara is a place called Carpinteria, which was named for the "carpenters" that the Spanish noted when they "discovered" the place. They knew that the indigenous people were carpenters, because they'd assembled plank boats on shore and were patching the holes between planks with natural tar that had washed up on the beach, a tradition that had probably been going on for thousands of years......

Posted by: cthulhu at July 21, 2009 04:32 PM (u+gbs)

76

it's disgusting what a disproportionate amount of illegal aliens can do to a city like LA. it's disgusting how much money is wasted on services on them. from our court systems, jails, schools, to the very streets themselves -down town LA looks like tiajuana btw.

Glad i got out when i did. Let the state go bankrupt and see how long it takes for the libs to start whining
.

The problem is, when California goes bust, the illegals may decide to drive to your state. Except by then they will be legal and voting Demunist. And no doubt there will be Patrician Republicans and cheap labor greedheads trying to slience you in your newly adopted state.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2009 04:34 PM (ujg0T)

77 Oh sheesh is a medical school wants money from the government they have to let minority students in first???   Affirmative Action is in the health bill???? 

Posted by: muffy at July 21, 2009 04:34 PM (zplc6)

78

Never fear, CA will screw this up.

Posted by: Vic at July 21, 2009 04:32 PM (CDUiN)

Sadly, that is the one thing we can count on.

Posted by: CB at July 21, 2009 04:35 PM (9Wv2j)

79 I see Soros bought a bunch of PXP stock in April.
Wanna bet there are more than a couple of Democrat politicians that bought PXP stock in the last couple of months?

It must be nice to be a politician and get away with insider trading.

Posted by: ghost707 at July 21, 2009 04:36 PM (pKb6M)

80 Fuck.  Is there anything going on in any government anywhere in this country that isn't dirty?

Posted by: CB at July 21, 2009 04:17 PM (9Wv2j)

I don't think so. The ruling class' new appoach to herd managment is to run it over the cliff, take what they can carry and leave the rest to rot in the sun.

 

Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 21, 2009 04:37 PM (dQdrY)

81

If I understand you right, you're saying it's a losing strategy to keep being the party of big business, big corporations, anti-unions, etc.?

I LIKE Big Business, in its proper place.The problem is that people assume that Big Business is somehow inherently "conservative". It isn't.

The winning strategy: fuck the lobbyists, fuck the big and small interest groups. protect the working class from the wolves in government and business and the masses will love you.

But otherwise, Tweets, you got it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 21, 2009 04:38 PM (ujg0T)

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Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at July 21, 2009 04:43 PM (kIjlp)

83 @59: Oil drilling has become more safe and efficient since the problems in the 70's.

Indeed. You'd think that folks that truly cared about the environment would lobby to get old rigs (and power plants, for that matter) updated to the newer, cleaner, more efficient designs instead of trying to stop everything.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 21, 2009 04:43 PM (1OYcp)

84 This is fine until the 9th Circuit rules that 1) you can't drill off the coast because that is bad for the environment however 2) you hav to shut down the other sites and 3) still give the government its land because, you know, we respect contracts and agreements, well, except the parts we don't like.

Posted by: Mallamutt at July 21, 2009 04:46 PM (vs0M9)

85 I LIKE Big Business, in its proper place.The problem is that people assume that Big Business is somehow inherently "conservative". It isn't.

Very true.
General Electric is the best example.

When lefty Jeffrey Immelt took over GE - he ran it straight into the ground.
Now we are subsidizing GE and NBC.

Posted by: ghost707 at July 21, 2009 04:46 PM (pKb6M)

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You mean the harsh realities that you can't get something for nothing and that there are no Skittle Shitting Unicorns?

Posted by: Mallamutt at July 21, 2009 04:48 PM (vs0M9)

87

@ 79

Well, now that you mention it............

Posted by: Dick Durbin at July 21, 2009 04:50 PM (vs0M9)

88 This is a terrible deal.  The oil companies are handing over their only real leverage - giving up their grandfather status for the oil rigs they currently do operate - and subjecting themselves to a meaningless statement of support from enviro-whackos on the new oil rigs they will build.  The enviros win both ways - they get rid of the oil rigs that they couldn't have gotten rid of any other way, and they will sue sue sue in court to block any new oil rigs.

Remember folks, their goal is NOT to have "safe" oil drilling, but to have NO oil drilling at all.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 21, 2009 04:50 PM (wy+AE)

89 You mean the harsh realities that you can't get something for nothing and that there are no Skittle Shitting Unicorns?

>>>>> Those are the worst kind.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 21, 2009 04:51 PM (xxgag)

90

Well, more domestic oil production is good.  The more oil we produce here, the less we have to buy from places that hate us like the Saudis.  Having said that, I hate anything that gives those spend crazy cockholsters in CA any money at all.  They bankrupted one of the richest states in the union by pandering to labor unions and illegal aliens, so now let them deal with it.  Let them cut their bloated budget, and petition the federal government to actually control the borders like it is supposed to.

Both national parties are at fault here, by the way.  Dems love cheap votes and Republicans love cheap labor.  Sometimes I think a pox on both their houses.

Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at July 21, 2009 04:53 PM (eSjj3)

91 Nothing like banks refusing to honor CA IOU notes to get those drills turning.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 21, 2009 04:55 PM (F1b/5)

92 Mallamutt @ 84 is exactly right.  This deal will result in LESS oil drilling, not more.

Posted by: chemjeff at July 21, 2009 04:59 PM (wy+AE)

93 Legalize and tax weed. That'll be California's cash crop, and everybody will be mellow about living in a state that's going down the toilet. Dude.

Can't do that. What will the illegals do for money when they can't visit home for the weekend and bring some weed back to sell. And what will the gangs have to fight over if drugs are legal and convenient?

Seriously, I think I saw an article recently  where there are something like 500 medical marijuana boutiques in Los Angeles alone. For all intensive porposes, it is legal in CA *wink*.

Posted by: Govenator at July 21, 2009 04:59 PM (8XI4A)

94 You mean the harsh realities that you can't get something for nothing and that there are no Skittle Shitting Unicorns?

I got mine. And no, you can't have it.

Posted by: UncleFacts at July 21, 2009 05:09 PM (vZVv7)

95
Brit Hume is pimpin' Bernanke. Why?


Posted by: Tweets Biden at July 21, 2009 05:15 PM (Cllb7)

96

93

 Even in the OC there are over a hundred and that is not even counting the ones in No Cal. Weed is already legal in Cal.

Posted by: Lou at July 21, 2009 05:17 PM (h4WsY)

97 What fools! Don't they know they can address all their energy needs simply by keeping their tires properly inflated?

Posted by: David J. at July 21, 2009 05:17 PM (gSGAu)

98 Does this mean the seeps that used to foul the beaches that were closed off by the nera-in rigs will be re-opened?

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at July 21, 2009 05:17 PM (OmeRL)

99 did you guys see that the idiotic gop managed to let their michael steele memo on health care get into the public?

why is it no dem strategy memos from obama hit the presses?  i know the media covers for obama, but if one of them could lay their hands on an official dnc memo, they'd break the story in most instances. obama's people apparently play by the "loose lips sink ships" rule.

what the hell is our side doing?

fucking michael steele and the gop are going to blow this and turn the public back to obama's side.

idiots.

Posted by: Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter at July 21, 2009 05:24 PM (5r0Tz)

100 I guess that gallows just erected in the town square has finally started to concentrate the collective California mind , at least somewhat.
This oil drilling agreement needs to be just the beginning . California has to stop penalizing the producers in every industry . Logging , farming ,mining, fishing , construction , the list is long .I doubt it will happen because their record is less than stellar. If Californians were serious people they'd draft Victor Hanson to be their chief executive .

Posted by: aubrey at July 21, 2009 05:26 PM (wb68R)

101 You're assuming that Steele is on our side. Considering how much of a dud he turned out to be, a real paranoid could make the case for Steele as DNC mole.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 21, 2009 05:27 PM (btril)

102 97 You are right. I forgot the brilliant observation by "our dear leader".
I think we should make Henry Waxman's district a test case for all of his policies. First, let make it illegal for residents to move out.....then....
1. make then give up cars or only use bicycles.
2. charge them $ 7.00 gallon for unleaded.
3. charge them a carbon tax, say $ 6,000 per year.
4. make them give up their doctor and health care, replace it with Obama care- provided by say- VA.
5. make them subject to estate tax and all taxes Obama is contemplating.
6. ensure their house or apartment is in compliance with all enviornmental codes, if not subject to fine.
If this works well, the lets extend it to all Democratic voting congressional districts in CA.

Posted by: john at July 21, 2009 05:30 PM (6FYZ6)

103 On a different subject, realclearpolitics has a link to an ABC article which casts serious doubt as to whether the Dems will be able to pass a gov't takeover before the Aug. recess. It's a dangerous time right now, as Rush said today, but things might be looking up.

Posted by: David Mickelson at July 21, 2009 05:31 PM (cxGtL)

104 Here's the link to the ABC article:

http://tiny.cc/QWhQP

Posted by: David Mickelson at July 21, 2009 05:35 PM (cxGtL)

105 Geez Momma, I tried to watch that Campbell Brown video and I don't think I even could stand it for more than 50 seconds.  Thanks a lot! 

Posted by: runningrn at July 21, 2009 05:37 PM (D2il9)

106 my friend got a memo today from the BO campaign, they say it began "It will break him" and went on to attack DeMint.  anyone get it or know anything about it??????

Posted by: your bud, joe at July 21, 2009 05:38 PM (zplc6)

107

Even in the OC there are over a hundred and that is not even counting the ones in No Cal. Weed is already legal in Cal.Yes I guess so, but after I left your house last night, I guess prostitution is legal now also....

Posted by: Todd at July 21, 2009 05:51 PM (RNwpX)

108
It's all smoke & mirrors. It's a farce being played by the Democrats and the White House is in on it.

It works like this: To allay concerns of costs and quality, the Democrats will hold meetings from which they'll emerge with, "Okay, after long debate with our colleagues, we made the necessary compromises to make this bill a reality and deliver health care reform to the people."

In reality, no significant compromises or changes will have been and the bill will be the same piece of shit as t was before the phony compromises. But the so-called Blue Dogs will be able to go home and say they fixed the bill.

The worst part: The Democrat ruse will also fool a handful of Republicans into voting for the awful legislation, thus giving the Democrats a bi-partisan bill.

Conclusion: This will be a huge victory for Obama and the Democrats and the Republicans will end up eating shit.

The Democrats have the votes, morons. What they don't have is the political CYA. And that's exactly what they're working on, right now. I fear that this bill will be passed next week.

Posted by: Tweets Biden at July 21, 2009 05:52 PM (Cllb7)

109 i would be excited, but reality has turned me into a cynic. this is a ploy by the california democrats. they just want to break this impass, and once they are beyond it they will go back and undo the drilling allowances.

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2009 05:52 PM (f0I0I)

110 and once they are beyond it they will go back and undo the drilling allowances.

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2009 05:52 PM (f0I0I)

Not if it cost Soros any money they won't.

Posted by: Jonathon E. at July 21, 2009 06:03 PM (dQdrY)

111 I think Hollywood packing it's bags scared 'em.

Posted by: mojo at July 21, 2009 06:06 PM (5MA1v)

112 Mayor Tony is getting pissy about his allowance from Sacramento being cut off. Looks like he might have to reopen that site asking for donations for the King of Pedophiles funeral costs

Although there are no new taxes NOW, look for them to come back next week and say they just can't see any other way after all the money sucking unions run commercials and organized protests.

Laugh all you want at California folks, we're your future.


Posted by: kbdabear at July 21, 2009 06:16 PM (0Lv+U)

113 Kudlow just said they solved the problem without raising taxes.  Not really, if they are going to take money from the cities then the cities will  have to get the money somehow and they will have to raise taxes.

Posted by: your bud, joe at July 21, 2009 06:18 PM (zplc6)

114 "111 I think Hollywood packing it's bags scared 'em.

Posted by: mojo at July 21, 2009 06:06 PM (5MA1v)"

Well, almost everywhere else on the planet is giving these wonderful incentives if you come to their state or town or city to make your movie.  Heck, look how much is being produced in Canada. 

Posted by: your bud, joe at July 21, 2009 06:20 PM (zplc6)

115 "The best non holiday quaarter in apple's history" per Jim Goldman at CNBC and look Steve wasn't around. 

Posted by: your bud, joe at July 21, 2009 06:21 PM (zplc6)

116 You have to hand it to Jane Wells on CNBC, no matter what she is told to say and do, like erin burnett, she somehow manages to present the truth in there among the thorns she is asked to throw out.  Ultimately she told Kudlow,  that the cities were going to have to borrow the money to give to the state and ultimately it was the taxpayers in the city who might have their taxes go up.   She said it gingerly cause Kudlow can be impossible if you disagree with him (remember his green shoots) but, to her credit, she got it passed him.   And poor steve, no wonder he prefers Greta, kidlow asked him a question and he lauded Arnold because that is what he thought and kudlow told him he was wrong cause it meant "no new taxes" but see Larrry, Steve didn't think of that cause you are the only idiot who is thinking green shoots and manipulation of the budget, pushing salaries into next year's budget, furloughing employees to three days a week and erhaps drlling are tax cuts, you Larry are alone on this one.

Posted by: wake up at July 21, 2009 07:00 PM (zplc6)

117 Resuming off shore oil production in CA is a big plus.  Hopefully it will be a virus that spreads elsewhere.  I'm somewhat surprized that pot wasn't 'legalized' and taxed.   That will probably be next year's election battle -- that will also raise some revenue... 

FYI, I was attending UCSB when the Santa Barbara spills occurred, which is about as close to ground zero as one gets for being close to the spill sites.   The entire episode was way overblown by the media.  I jogged the beach up to 30 minutes a day, 4 or 5 times a week while there. There surely was more oil blobs on the beach during the spills, but there were always been oil blobs on the beach from natural seepage, before and after.  Some critters got taken out by the blobs, but that happens anyway without the oil spill.  UCSBers quickly learned that mayonaise was an excellent blob remover from the bottom of the feet so you didn't end up spoiling the carpet in your apartment after a jog on the beach...   

The fine print on the CA budget is the State legislature passed the buck down to local juristitictions.  City's, counties and the like have to make the tough choices on how to really raise money, or cut salaries and/or services.  

Posted by: drfredc at July 21, 2009 07:03 PM (ljMiA)

118

I spent a couple of weeks (over Thanksgiving) out on three of those rigs off SB back in the early 90's. On the way out the crew boat skipper pointed out the oil slick from the natural seepage. When we got to the rig, the rig hands had to beat the guardrails with a baseball bat to get the sea lions off the landing deck so we could swing across on ropes.
The sea lions loved those rigs; I took dozens of photos of them. One time they all started barking, and dove in the water. A little later a school of yellow fin tuna went skipping by the rig. Pretty cool.

The platforms were the cleanest and quietest rigs I've ever been on. They are quiet because they aren't powered by generators like every other platform I've been on. Due to air pollution regulations, power is generated onshore and transmission is by a 7 mile long sea cable. The line losses would power a small city, so it's hard to see how that improves air quality.

They are clean because they don't allow the slightest amount of pollution. They even collect rainwater run off in holding tanks, and take it back onshore for processing. The didn't allow fishing off the platform, unlike the GOM, where I've enjoyed some great rig fishing.

The talk at the time was that XOM had had enough of CA, and was trying to sell their platforms. Apparently they changed their minds, or wanted too much, or no one else wanted to get involved with CA, either.

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