1 1st!

2 Nicely done maggot

3 Yep, I just saw a glossy TV commerical for Obamacare in which it was factually asserted that this here featured small child would die of cancer if it weren't implemented IMMEDIATELY.  Now why would that be necessary if all the good comrades were on board?

Good, indeed.

4 The comprehensive "buy votes with other peoples money" health plan is currently DOA.  Call the Coroner, Sheriff Joe Biden to perform the necessary necropsy on that slithering snake.

5 Barry's fucked and he knows it.  He doesn't have the votes to meet his August deadline.  Congress WILL PAY for defying The One!

6 Good. 

7 This is one fight we need to be relentless on.  Once we get nationalized Health Care, we've crossed The Rubicon.  Morons, we must unite and bombard Washington with our displeasure regarding nationalized medicine.  We can not afford to lose this battle.

8 alls i can say is that i would rather have a stripper who's doing a lap dance for me decide the nation's health care policy than barack hussein obama.

9 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

10 If only O'Bambi had been elected prior to 2004, Christopher Reeves would be alive today and not dead from Kryptonite poisoning or a broken neck, whichever is politically correct.

11 Ever engage a lib regarding the health care thing?

They go totally red in the face all feeling no facts nuts.

Excellent.

12 Dude, we've got this baby aimed right for the cliff edge! Now is not the time to slow down!

13 This is great news. I'll need my ball-dipping solution for this.

14 If we can push it past the summer, it will never happen.

15 If we had Obama Care, Michael Jackson would still be alive.

16

A liberal recently asked me "don't you care about those women with children and no means of support?"

Ans:  Fucking has consequences. 

17 If only O'Bambi had been elected prior to 2004, Christopher Reeves would be alive today

Well, I'll tell ya, when we get this thing passed, Chris Reeve will walk again. People say to me, "Joe, if ya got a dead guy walkin' around, doesn't that mean he's one of those - whaddya call 'em - werewolves?" But you know what, sometimes you have to be dead for a little while before you can live again.

Who wants soup?

18

He is betting EVERYTHING on getting this passed.

19

#15:

From what I hear about Obama's health care plan....it is so danged smart that even if passed in September it might not be too late to save Michael Jackson.

So says Keith Olbermann, anyway.

20

alls i can say is that i would rather have a stripper who's doing a lap dance for me decide the nation's health care policy than barack hussein obama.

Medicinal cocaine legalized?  Woo hoo!

21 Why do I have the feeling that I am going to be needing some health care soon?

22

Maybe, just maybe, The Vapid One™ has an inkling that his grand effort to turn us into Europe overnight doesn't have the support he thinks it does.

23

Ever engage a lib regarding the health care thing?

They go totally red in the face all feeling no facts nuts.

Excellent.

That differs from engaging them on any other political topic exactly how?

24 I was kinda hoping for O'Bambi's health care program to survive so the magic could begin and we would see Anna Nicole Smith's gargantuan hooters a few more times.  

25 I support moving the goal posts to the "never" position.

26 Well then, where the hell am I supposed to go to get the rest of my surgery done?

27 Let's see, Barry's approval ratings at the end of the year....40%?  If he goes below 50%, and that's probably only another jobs report or two away, even in the heavy-dem samples, he won't have the political capital to pull it off.

I'm thinking there may be light at the end of the tunnel...but I'm still gonna keep running.

28 If America is turned into Europe, will the male population be forced to carry purses like the sophisticated continental faggots?

29 While this is good news, I still shudder to think what a monstrosity that brings on board the Blue Dogs and the Socialist Democrats will look like (not to mention the Rinos).

30 Having a curfew is no fun, and I didn't even get all of my surgery. 

31
The sooner it passes, the better. It will only help the GOP in 2010.

Besides, it can be undone. So let 'em do it. The absolutely crucial thing is that no (none, zero) Republicans vote for it. Let the Demcrats own this debacle lock, stock, and barrel.

32 I love it when gutless POS politicians/whores make statements like 'It will happen this year. I’m absolutely convinced of that.”

33 sorry- that sounded angry, no? It's cuz I AM.

34 "If we can push it past the summer, it will never happen."
 You betcha, because by then the jobless rate will be even more through the roof than it is now and O'Fuckwit will never get the libs to commit political suicide over it. The scales will be falling from people's eyes so fast it will look like it's snowing.....
 Besides, sooner or later even the complete unAmerican jerks that like to refer to themselves as "journalists" or some such nonsense......are going to be hit by the money fallout.
 And then the screaming [and scrambling for the Pulitzer] will begin....
 It's human nature and even chairman zero can't counteract that forever....

35 Gawd. Health care reform becomes the platform you run for office carrying, then you win office, then abandon when the inevitable shitstorm of conflicting interests muddy the waters so badly that a catfish with perfect vision that hasn't eaten in a month can't find the bait. Interesting strategy. I guess you can fool 52% of the people some of the time.

36
In the meantime, the Republicans can have a lot of fun with this. They can put out an ad like this: The Democrat's health care reform is not just stupid, it's California stupid.

37 I support moving the goal posts to the "never" position.

Posted by: shibumi at July 17, 2009 06:47 PM (OKZrE)

I believe the proper term is the "1965 NY Giants" position.

38

Call your congress people relentlessly.

I liked this sign I saw at an Obamacare protest rally "Obamacare: Take Two Aspirin and Die!"

 

39

Hey! Trix take time!!
dammit!!

40 Thanks to AHFF Geoff again.

This is rapidly becoming AHFF Geoff of Spades HQ.

41 #26...you notice that the Brit in him wins out even over Satan? He didn't bother to get his crappy British teeth fixed too......and I'm pretty sure Satan has better teeth than that.
 I mean...he's Satan and all.....

42

>Morons, we must unite and bombard Washington with our displeasure regarding nationalized medicine

 

I regret to inform you that Congress has taken shelter in hardened underground male whorehouses

43

keep calling the nitwits in Congress.

maybe we should start a sign up sheet for different calling times.

and the march on DC on 9/12?  let's roll.

44 What is not to like about abort the young, kill the old --- Maybe the Democrats have a secret recipe for Soylent Green.

You would like to have thought, that American morals was better than this. After-all, we aren't Indonesia of Kenya.

45 I can't wait for the state run media to start laying off asshats like Krugeman, Dowd, Rich, Olbermann, Matthews, etc. when ad revenues plummet like their ratings.

46 Obama care is 'Soylent Green' meets 'Logan's Run' and moves to 'Planet of the Apes'.....
 Too long for a bumper sticker?

47

I think it's too late. Their only hope was to rush it through. ObamaCare is dead.

 

48
No, no, no. Be careful what you wish for, morons.

#1 The best case scenario: The Dems pass their version of health care reform.

#2 The worst case scenario: The Dems allow Republicans to water down the bill a little (or even a lot) and it passes with bipartisanship support.

That's where we're heading with this if it gets pushed back after the summer recess, and the Republicans are stupid enough to fall for the trap. If #2 happens, we still end up with an awful piece of legislation and new laws that will destroy 1/6 of the economy. Also, the issue gets completely taken off the table in the 2010 elections, giving us nothing to use against the Democrats.

No, let the Democrats pass it and own it outright. Let the Democrats overreach and show the American people what life is like when corrupt socialist incompetents run the government.

49 21 Why do I have the feeling that I am going to be needing some health care soon?

Posted by: CBO Head Doug Elmendorf at July 17, 2009 06:45 PM (dCigj)

threadwinner

50

The Democrat's health care reform is not just stupid, it's California stupid.

Worse than that. It's Minnesota stupid.

51
Barry: Don't worry about it. It's a 5 year plan any way. All of my plans are 5 year plans. And starting Monday we'll be renaming all my czars. From now on they will be called commissars. Now back to your 2 minutes of hate of evil, white, capitalistic imperialists.

52 This is a reach.  It's still coming.

53 I won!

54 The infamous Democrat train of thought:

"The only way I can lose is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."

I suppose the exception to that rule is here in Massachusetts, where either of those actions merit media sainthood.

55 The insurance lobby appears to maintain their undefeated record.

Bastards.

56 Once we get nationalized Health Care, we've crossed The Rubicon.

Can you not read? Comprehend? All I want is a public option. Afraid private industry cannot compete?

57 I heard 5 minutes of the Hannity radio program (I am not really a fan of his) today and he had on black woman who sounded as if she were a welfare recipient. He asked her "what makes you think the government can do this? Why do you want them in charge of health care since they bankrupted social security?"

Her answer: Bush bankrupted social security. Then a bunch of "nuh-huh" and "dis" and "dat"

I weep for America.

58 How much does it cost to buy a politician?

59

Yeah, well you keep rubbing butter on my a........ um, wrong thread

um, bambi throws like a girl?

60 Can you not read? Comprehend? All I want is a public option. Afraid private industry cannot compete?

Posted by: RKG at July 17, 2009 07:13 PM (Lsz2a)

I am going to assume you are not stupid.  It isn't true, but if I assume you are, it makes this a pointless exercise.

Private industry cannot compete with a system subsidized with confiscated tax dollars.

If Barack Obama could create a competing insurance system that does not need to be subsidized, then he can simply create a company to do it.

61 "All I want is a public option. "

No, ll you want is someone else to pick up your tab.

62 Why do you want them in charge of health care since they bankrupted social security?"

No one is talking about the government being in charge of health care. They are talking about providing a public insurance option.

63 No, ll you want is someone else to pick up your tab.

No I don't

64 It will happen this year. I’m absolutely convinced of that.”

Shades of President Bush when talking of Amnesty said:
I'll see you at the bill signing!

65 No one is talking about the government being in charge of health care.

Um, yes they are you illiterate baboon.

It is in the bill.

66 All I want is a public option.

Great commie. Move to Canada then.

67

</blockquote>Can you not read? Comprehend? All I want is a public option. Afraid private industry cannot compete? </blockquote>

Page 16 of the bill outlaws private insurance. Who is it that is afraid to compete there, RKG?

 

68 Walter Crankshaft dead at 92- no loss.

69 There is always an easy solution to every human problem - neat, plausible, and wrong. H.L. Mencken

70 The sooner it passes, the better. It will only help the GOP in 2010.

Besides, it can be undone. So let 'em do it. The absolutely crucial thing is that no (none, zero) Republicans vote for it. Let the Demcrats own this debacle lock, stock, and barrel.

And we will repair the dismantling which will take place of the best health care system in the world.... how?  And how may people will have died or lost out on preventative care in the process?  We're going to "let 'em do it" in order to score political points? It's in no way worth it.

 I refuse to play politics on this one.  I will not sell out the babies which will be aborted with federal funds.  I will not allow the government to take on 1/7 of the economy.  I will not consent to forced insurance.  I will not consent to SOCIALISM.

Social Security can be undone, too.  Any chance of that happening?

No.  I will not "let 'em do it."

71
Cronkite is really dead?

For reals this time?

Or is he Jeff Goldblum dead?

72

63 No, ll you want is someone else to pick up your tab.

No I don't

 

Then... you want to pay for other people?  You know... you don't need the government for that.

73 No I don't

Um yes, you do. Who do you think will pay for this "public option" that costs a Trillion dollars?

How effing dumb are you, anyway?

74 OK, RKG, what the hell do think a "public insurance" option is ?

75 #65

Puhlease. The insurance industry is in charge. And they are giving it to you where the sun don't shine. They are terrified of any kind of competition.

Freak

76 The sooner it passes, the better. It will only help the GOP in 2010.

Besides, it can be undone.

No, it can not.

See: Medicare, Medicaid, SSI, The Mohair Subsidy, Social Security, The EPA, et. al.

77 Walter Cronkite is only dead because the fugly Republicans have blocked O'Bambi's health care program.

78

grrrrrrrrrrrr, what fish said

damn your ninja fast typing

79 The insurance industry is in charge.

I love watching not that bright and easily misled people like you babble on...

80 No one is talking about the government being in charge of health care.

Yeah, at least until the end of the year, and it might not happen at all. Great news, huh?

81 O/T:

Kiss Jobs Goodbye With Minimum Wage Increase

Haven't seen any bloggers cover this yet, but the National min wage goes up July 24th.

82 Fucking Walter Cronkite dead. Lack of Medicare to blame. Ho Chi Minh now getting cock sucked in hell.

83

Answer the question RKG: Why does the current bill feel the need to prohibit signing up for private insurance once the bill becomes law? (Page 16, it is there.)

This is key. Have an answer or bow out.

 

84
75

How can the insurance industry be afraid of competition when it consists of providers who compete with each other?

85 Don't get all hopey-changey, we insist on this socialized health care and this cap and trade stuff.  So just stand the f^*% by people, you'll get it and like it!  Wait and see...

Oh yea, and you don't need no Walter Cronkite no more!

86

Puhlease. The insurance industry is in charge. And they are giving it to you where the sun don't shine. They are terrified of any kind of competition.

Freak

Too bad there isn't more than one health insurance provider, then there might be competition.

Idiot.

87

it can't be undone.  that is why we have to stay on the ass (not literally unless barney frank is your congressman) of the nitwits in Congress until this BEAST is defeated.

call those idjits every damn day.  and twice on Sundays.

88 Puhlease. The insurance industry is in charge. And they are giving it to you where the sun don't shine. They are terrified of any kind of competition.

Freak

Posted by: RKG at July 17, 2009 07:21 PM (Lsz2a)

Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong.  Wrong.

Insurance companies compete as fiercely as they can, within the constraints that the states and the feds and LAWSUITS force on them.

There is only one cabal here: Lawyers.

Ask yourself: Is there any Democrat politician who is not a lawyer?

89 Walter Crankshaft dead at 92- no loss.

He was a good man, was in everyones living room every night especially when JFK died. Accompanied troops on Dday, but turned moonbat during vietnam and the Iraq war. But I still remember my Dad and I watching him nightly.

90 I grew up loving Uncle Walter.  Crying shame he was such a lib.  Still, he had a kind of grandfatherly countenance.

91

Re: Ask yourself: Is there any Democrat politician who is not a lawyer?

Al Franken. Which made him a natural choice for Judiciary.

92

68 Walter Crankshaft dead at 92- no loss.

Clearly, this is Sarah Palin's fault.

93 Haven't seen any bloggers cover this yet, but the National min wage goes up July 24th.

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at July 17, 2009 07:24 PM (kIjlp)

I've been beating this drum on this blog.  The only thing I can't decide is if it will effect July's numbers (released in early August) or August's (released in September).  I think the full effect will be seen in September.

94 Glad to see old Walter go before Ted "Mr. Oldsmobile" Kennedy as they are butt buddies. It will give Kennedy an open window into his future. 

95 Puhlease. The insurance industry is in charge. And they are giving it to you where the sun don't shine. They are terrified of any kind of competition.

Freak

Posted by: RKG at July 17, 2009 07:21 PM (Lsz2a)

Yeah those 1700+ health insurance companies wish they had competition, those damn monopolies.

/idiot off

96 Cronkite sucks VC cock in hell now.

97 Since MJ was "the greatest entertainer in the history of entertainers," it stands to reason Walt will be hailed by his fellow libs in the media as The Greatest News Anchor Evah in the History of News Anchors.

98 The only thing I can't decide is if it will effect July's numbers (released in early August) or August's (released in September)

Safe to say all of the above; some foresighted managers probably stopped hiring in anticipation, some will after the accountant comes running into their office after next week's payroll.

99 I am with rockhead #29.

Some are saying the Blue Dawgs might sign on to this. For one thing, Rahmbo probably already has files on all these guys, and plans on releasing whatever is in them if they do not go along. Second, I have participated on a GOP Senate conference call where the first thing they spoke about was "prevention", and NOT tort reform. I fear they might compromise because they think people want health care when what we really want is just reform.

Today I listened to the House meeting, and live blogged. They said there will be a "fig leaf" given to the whole tort reform, and Rep Sullivan did get an Amendment passed in committee to stop there from being any duplicative programs in order to prevent waste. There was lots of fireworks in this meeting, and insanity when you hear them reading this behemoth.

For those of you believing we should let this hang around the necks of the Democrats, I will remind you that we still have Medicare, and Social Security both of which have grown to gargantuan sizes most never believed would not happen. The same can be said for many programs which appeared during WWII, and were to be terminated, but never were. The same will be said of this monster if allowed to pass. We will never be able to roll it back.

There are things in this bill which advocate for euthanasia, possible mandatory abortions, and various other scary things all loosely worded. They did discuss today aspects of the nutrition education which will tell us what we can eat. And they also discussed euthanasia education programs. What I am trying to convey is that this bill, if passed, will control all our lives, and will be impossible to kill. It must not pass.

Besides, the Kool-Aid drinkers, and media will see to it that the Democrats never pay for the evil in this thing. Have they ever paid for the creation of Social Security? And do people fully realize how much more money they would have to retire on if we did not have Social Security? I am with Rush on this one, and his take is America as we know it will cease to exist if this bill is passed.

100 "Too bad there isn't more than one health insurance provider, then there might be competition."

Oh don't be silly, everyone knows all Big Insurance companies are in collusion with each other just as are Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big (Insert Your Demon Industry du Jour Here).

FaKKKts of life in KKKorporate AmeriKKKa, don't you know.

101 Oh, man. But with a name like "Bjerkness" what did they expect?

102
I refuse to play politics on this one. 

 You need to see the big picture scenario in this. It's gonna happen no matter what. The Democrats have the bodies in Congress to make this happen. The only thing holding them back is a little CYA. Once they finagle a little CYA with a handful of Republicans, it's a done deal.

It's only a matter of how awful a piece of legislation we're gonna get, not whether or not a health care reform bill will be passed. That's why I'm saying if we're gonna get something shitty and harmful, let the Democrats own it all rather than dragging this along until they came back in a few months with something almost as shitty and with bipartisanship support.

103 Brit Hume's on Fox commenting on Uncle Walt.

Brit sounds like he's at the bottom of a swimming pool trying to talk through a snorkel.

104 No one is talking about the government being in charge of health care.

Er, how many private companies offer passenger rail service between DC and NYC?

You do understand Amtrak came about in a similar manner to which you're whining about "public options" right?

105 The insurance companies will have competition from the government?  Since when does the government, the body that writes the laws, enforces the laws, prosecutes the laws, compete? 

Government can A) take money when it feels it needs it (it's called taxation), and B) require providers to take what they offer as payment (like with Medicare).

That ain't competition, and the Democrats know it.

106 Cronkite sucks VC cock in hell now.

Posted by: Jones at July 17, 2009 07:28 PM (KOkrW)

kos.com copy/paste email OUTRAGE!

107 FWIW, Intrade "Healthcare by end of 2009" contract is at 45.

108
How can the insurance industry be afraid of competition when it consists of providers who compete with each other?

BECAUSE IT IS ALL ONE BIG LOBBY DON'T CHA KNOW!!~~???``11111!!?

109 On the health care issue, I'm angrier that a robotic-armed monkey.  I've called and e-mailed my reps.  I've been on my knees (praying) longer than one of Bwaney's house boys. 

110 FaKKKts of life in KKKorporate AmeriKKKa, of KKKarl Rove and RepubliKKKans don't you know.

Posted by: Foramen of Winslow at July 17, 2009 07:30 PM (ApY1E)

Fixed that for you.

111
Where is it written that we can't re-privatize the health care industry? Of course it can be undone -- with the right and willing people in Congress.

112 You need to see the big picture scenario in this.

The big picture scenario in this is dead people, a catastrophically ruined economy, and the potential control of nearly every aspect of American life.  A hill well worth dying on, I'd say.  WTF are these Republicans and conservative Dems "saving the fight" for?

We fight this.

113 Fox News is overboard and will be all evening with their Walter Crankshaft coverage.  Unfortunately Fox is interrupting the lovely Laura Ingraham who is hosting the Factor for Bill O'Blowhard. 

114 Judging by the number of google hits on this thing I gotta say game over man!

115 @113

Yeah and I was actually bothering to watch it since Bill was not there...

116 #111

I really hope you're kidding.  The Great Communicator once said that there's nothing closer to eternal life on Earth than a government office.  Can you also imagine the ads on TV should the opportunity arise to repeal national health-care?
Images of sickly and dying children will be shown 24/7, with the implication that the big, mean Republicans want them to die just to save a few federal pennies.

Unfortunately, I don't see that this monster will be stopped completely, just watered-down enough  for the non-existent "blue dogs" to win re-election next year.

I honestly don't care anymore, as in the end, there will be only chaos.

117
We have nothing to fight with. The Democrats have big majorities in Congress. And it's obvious they really don't give a shit about public opinion. Our only hope is that people see the Democrats as who they are -- irrational leftists who are a danger to our country.

The last thing we want is for the Democrats to suddenly appear rational and fiscally responsible. They'll win even more seats in 2010 if people see no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

118 Walter Craphole dead! Fina-fucking-lly. Most trusted man in America my ass. Dirty bastard.

119 ThanKKKs TendStl, good KKKtch.

120

Al Franken. Which made him a natural choice for Judiciary.

Posted by: Walsingham at July 17, 2009 07:26 PM (dCigj)

Touche.  That's one.

121

You do understand Amtrak came about in a similar manner to which you're whining about "public options" right?

Andd look at how awesome Amtrak's books look today.

122 Puhlease. The insurance industry is in charge. And they are giving it to you where the sun don't shine. They are terrified of any kind of competition.

Absolutely - Health insurance companies are currently trembling at the thought that the same government that runs Veterans Affairs hospitals will bring true efficiency to the industry.

In other news, Fed Ex is terrified of the Post Office and Cable lives in fear of PBS.

123 121

You do understand Amtrak came about in a similar manner to which you're whining about "public options" right?

Andd look at how awesome Amtrak's books look today.

 

Wish we could!  The goddamned Kenyean had the IG fired.

124 LMFAO, here is the history of Amtak!!!

Key Dates:
1971: The National Railroad Passenger Corporation is created by an Act of Congress to supervise the country's rail passenger train service.
1981: Congress petitions Amtrak to cut back on federal support dollars.
1983: Amtrak shifts from a supervisory to an ownership role of the rail services, employing crews and centralizing reservations.
1994: Given the company's impressive revenues, Congress demands that Amtrak become a self-sufficient corporation.
1997: On the verge of bankruptcy, Amtrak continues to rely on federal subsidies.
2000: Amtrak debuts the Acela Regional passenger service linking Boston, New York, and Washington, D.C.
2004: Amtrak avoids insolvency, being approved for $2 billion a year in assistance for six years

The Railroad Passenger Service Act allowed the railroad companies to transfer their money-losing passenger operations to Amtrak in exchange for either a tax write-off or Amtrak stock. Only three lines, the Denver & Rio Grande Western, the Rock Island, and the Southern, did not join Amtrak, opting to continue their own passenger service.

125 Drudge has a headline in red right now about Obama wanting the White House to be able to set Medicare rates.  Different parts of the country have different rates and he wants the power to control all of it from his desk.  The control freak SOB intends to ruin health care one way or another so it behooves us to be vigilant 24/7.

All but RKG.  Stand down, you idiot, before you hurt yourself.

126 The last thing we want is for the Democrats to suddenly appear rational and fiscally responsible. They'll win even more seats in 2010 if people see no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

We have to stop worrying "how we'll appear" because conservatives lose that game 99.99% of the time. Just BE conservative.  BE for certain values, and the message takes care of itself.  Trying to appeal to the middle in '08, for example, worked just awesomely for conservatives. 

They'll win even more seats in 2010 if people see no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

That's because there IS no difference at this point.  Anyone in power who gives a shit needs to scream their heads off as much as possible, helping to educate people on what this crap will really do until we can gain more seats.  In the meantime, the "oh, just let them have it... then they'll have to politically own it!" strategy is death on a cracker.  The MSM won't let it happen, for one thing.

127

Every delay we get in this is a blessing - more time to rally a defense.  There's so much negative truth about the world's various commie health systems that we have a nearly unlimited ammo supply - we just need to get that info out there widely enough to scare the Dems away from this disaster. 

However, as fast as this country is headed leftward, I am not optimistic about our chances.  As recently as a few months ago I thought this would not be a threat for several years - maybe even long enough for me to expatriate.  Alas, too much change, too soon.  There may be no escape...

128 This delay will help us. Our problem is having some Republican guy that basically did the same exact plan in the state he was governor of. Good news on that is its not working out too great.

Those that want Romney can just stfu now.

129

Boortz found the clause in the bill pertaining to that promise to let us keep our private insurance.

'Keep" being the operative word.

Essentially, if we have coverage on the first day of the calendar year in which the law goes into effect, then we can 'keep' it. Thereafter no private insurance company will be permitted to write a policy to an individual.

So, God forbid I should lose my job amd go to another.

130 Drudge has a headline in red right now about Obama wanting the White House to be able to set Medicare rates.

This presidency is fucking exhausting. Which is the idea. I get it. But still, dang. They sure want to destroy everything in a hurry. Given that nothing they're doing is remotely good for the country (and demonstrably so), it almost gives one the feeling that they all completely hate the country and want to torch it to the ground quickly before anybody figures out what's going on.

But that would be angry talk, and plain nutty at that.

131 It's going to be a good weekend.

132 tachyonshuggy, I heartily agree.  It's the equivalent of being besieged by barbarians from all sides.  Just about the time you think you've got them beat back in one direction, you find them coming through the window in the basement.

We're going to have to learn to live life armed with flamethrowers for the next 3 and a half years and with one eye open at all times.  I refuse to let them win just by wearing me down.  To quote a pasty old white guy,
"Who's with me?  I promise to fight, Fight, FIGHT! WHO'S WITH ME?"  Of course, he didn't mean it, but I do.

133 Every delay we get in this is a blessing - more time to rally a defense.

My fear is that they'll threaten some red district Democrats, bribe some others, and throw some weak minded Republicans a few bones so that they can line up enough votes. Then they'll make their fixes in the dead of night and try to bring a 1600+ page document for an immediate vote and cram it through just like they've tried or done with every piece of shit bill for the last couple of years (Amnesty 2007, DREAM Act, TARP, Stimulus Stabilization, Cap and Trade). It's standard operating procedure for Congress when they know that the public opposes them.

Barky may want us to think that he's backing off a little, but I don't believe him. I still think he wants it done before the August recess because these people are going to catch hell when they get back home. I don't think these guys in Washington realize just yet how much anger and bitterness there is back home. If they were shocked at the level of outrage on cap-and-trade, they ain't seen nothing yet. Unemployment will probably crack 10% after the August numbers come in and that's a big psychological threshold. I don't know if they'll have the stomach for this after September, I guess we'll see. I assume the fence-sitters in Congress will try to hold out for some sign of an improving economy and I wouldn't put it past the White House to cook the books.

I remember my dad telling me a story: he traveled a lot for his job back in the 70s and everywhere he went he saw stagnation, factories closing up, people being laid off, but when he went to DC he saw shiny new buildings and construction all over the place. That's when he realized how fucked DC is.

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Essentially, if we have coverage on the first day of the calendar year in which the law goes into effect, then we can 'keep' it. Thereafter no private insurance company will be permitted to write a policy to an individual.

So, God forbid I should lose my job amd go to another.

Don't worry, you won't have to wait to be laid off.  What insurance company is going to stay in business if it can never accept new clients?  Not to mention the fact that Ogabe is going to saddle them with the same "make profit impossible" restrictions that the public "option" is going to be saddled with.

Because government doesn't have to worry about swimming in oceans of red ink, after all.  They can just print more, borrow more, or suck more blood out of Joe Sucker.

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It's going to be a good weekend.

You had July 17, 2009 in the Cronkite death watch tontine, Jim?

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I know they're a pack of frauds, but there's a bunch of 'conservative' donks who want to stay on the Beltway Gravy Train©; this is the best opportunity we'll ever get [until we get our hands on the Crap & Tax details...] to shove their faces in it.

Most importantly, the senior citizens need to be told what's coming their way.  The AARP leadership is little better than a pack of 'Judas Goats', leading their members to the cattle cars [next stop...Obama Happy Fun Camp #1147].

RULE #1of 'playing for keeps' fighting: once you get hands on your opponent's throat, NEVER loosen your grip. 

Learn it.  Love it.  Use it.

139

RKG- you got sucked in by another one of Obama's lies...

Obama sez:

You can keep your current insurance.

What people think he means:

There will still be a private option for you forever, no matter what.

The reality:

No new enrollees into private insurance.  If you change jobs you have to sign up for the government plan.  If you lose your job (THAT will NEVER happen) you have to go on the government plan (assuming they don't touch COBRA and you can stay on that for 18 months)

People are catching on to this poser.  All of his fine print is now being exposed. 

140 He is very clever.   Just last week he set his agenda.  Don't kid yourselves, no matter what he says, he plans to stick with that agenda.  But, he also plans to hoodwink everyone else into relaxing a bit and loosening their guard so he can scoot right in, take over, take everything he wants, leave you in the dust wondering what happened.  If he hadn't done and said this before, I wouldn't be able to mention it now.  But, that his his modus operandi.   Everyone you speak with wants "them" to "leave our health care alone".   Everyone also says that they would be quite willing to give extra money in taxes specifically earmarked for healthcare premiums for thosw without healthcare.  Funny how they say "specifically earmarked" and then say how our legislators raped the SS system and medicare.  People all think a nice simple system requiring every health insurer to take on the uninsureds paid for by the government is perfect, end of sentence.  They also think that there should be one sentence saying you can't deny someone coverage period, no if's and's or but's.  To most people the bill can be a paragraph, maybe two.  I don't think they realize that Americans don't want their system changed, period.

141 Doesn't matter. If this passes there won't be any private insurance. I wonder what else is packed away in this turd? Hillary's bill made private physicians illegal. Bet that's in there.  Notice how when one of these is actually read it gets a little complicated?

 Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal. is making the rounds these days, based on this editorial by Investors Business Daily:

When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

No new enrollees means no plan. Husseinocare.

142 Spineeeess

143

@48 No, let the Democrats pass it and own it outright. Let the Democrats overreach and show the American people what life is like when corrupt socialist incompetents run the government.

Posted by: Tweets Biden at July 17, 2009 07:03 PM (2kQhn)

There's only one problem with that theory. If some ignorant health care bill is passed, it will never be repealed. We'll be stuck with it just like all the other entitlement programs. With global warming and some of his other bullshit, we will still have the ability to get rid of it, not so with health care.

144 A part of the bill calls for elderly to take "END OF LIFE COUNSELING" this means that they want you to DIE and not burden the system with us oldsters.

145 Since Americans don't know how to die, 75% of medical costs are expended in the last year of life

146 #140  If you change jobs you have to sign up for the government plan.

I'd like to see some hard evidence of this. And COBRA, they can keep and stick where the sun don't shine. I lost my job and insurance recently and am now paying nearly $800 a month for COBRA coverage (and have a $5,000 deductable). A fair priced government program would be a godsend. I am about to reach the point where I can't afford the premiums and will have to go without. I guess you won't mind paying for my care when I go to the emergency room.

147

I lost my job and insurance recently

I hear ACORN's hiring after getting a windfall in the stimulus/stabilization from Teleprompter Obumbles.  However, they have a really nasty tendency to fuck over their own employees when their shitty training and supervisory program sets their employees up to fail and results in voter-fraud allegations.  Their pay rates are crap, too, but hey--some income is better than none, and it's not like it's a guarantee that you'll be caught forging those voter-registration forms.

Here's a hint, just because I care: filling out forms for "Mickey Mouse" and "Spurwing Plover" tend to give away the fact that you're not actually on the up-and-up.

148

Or, you can conflate this statement:

I guess you won't mind paying for my care when I go to the emergency room.

With this statement:

Since Americans don't know how to die, 75% of medical costs are expended in the last year of life

And figure out what to do from there.

149 American Thinker site has this very effective commercial up on its website.  It is the kind of thing you send to your entire list serve.

150 Her answer: Bush bankrupted social security. Then a bunch of "nuh-huh" and "dis" and "dat"

Gee, I guess the movie "Idiocracy" is starting to look more and more precident.


/go 'way, 'baitin!

151 Can you not read? Comprehend? All I want is a public option.

Got that today.  Walk into most emergency rooms, claim you're an illegal with no ID or money, and get free treatment.

What could be easier?

152 RKG recently lost his job?  There's a surprise.  It's the endpoint for most incompetent fucking nitwits.

153 A bit of good news...I sent emails to both of my senators yesterday (both democrats) about health care. Big long diatribe, plus my thoughts on what we really should be talking about...tort reform, concentrating on helping those who fall between the cracks (rather than EVERYONE), allowing people to purchase insurance across state lines, etc.

Today, I got a response from one of them that made me feel less scared. He stated that he is not supportive of a single-payer system and that he is interested in fostering more competition between insurance companies.

So, I would say if a bill comes through that sticks gov't healthcare in there as the main model for most Americans, this guy won't be voting for it. Count one Dem vote OUT.

Although I still won't believe it until I see it...I am feeling slightly less panicky right now.

154 The Democrat's health care reform is not just stupid, it's California stupid.

Can we get the Zappas on the commercial?

155 Check out this editorial, in today's Wall Street Journal:

http://tinyurl.com/le5xf2

Tom Coburn introduced an amendment in committee that would require all members of Congress and their staffs to join the public option. The amendment was accepted on a 12-11 vote, with nearly all Democrats voting "no". Even Socialist Bernie Sanders voted "no": I guess he knows which side his bread is buttered on.

No doubt the Coburn amendment will be struck quietly, in the dead of night. The Democrats, no fools, want this plan for you and me, but not for themselves.

Keep an eye on the Coburn amendment. This is a talking point that we can use against the Obamatrons: if the chef won't eat in his own restaurant, you can be sure that the food is no damned good.

156 Since Americans don't know how to die, 75% of medical costs are expended in the last year of life

Oh, it's easy. Just stop breathing. Please try it sometime soon, asshole.

157 lost my job and insurance recently and am now paying nearly $800 a month for COBRA coverage (and have a $5,000 deductable). A fair priced government program would be a godsend. I am about to reach the point where I can't afford the premiums and will have to go without. I guess you won't mind paying for my care when I go to the emergency room.

Because of course we should bankrupt America further, have the government run 1/5th of the economy, and see a decrease in the quality of medical care in order for you to feel better.

What an asshole you are.

158 And COBRA, they can keep and stick where the sun don't shine.

What? You mean a sweeping, mandated solution devised by the Democrat party for a relatively minor problem doesn't work?

GET OUT!!!

Yet you're here clamoring for more government, more mandates, led by the imbeciles in the party you vote for.

And you still can't see the irony.

159 See all you girls have to offer in response is flames. Why do we expend 75% of health care costs on Uncle Elmer who is brain dead, paralyzed, and blind but we just can't let go of him so take all sorts of extraordinary means to keep his heart beating?

160 Yet you're here clamoring for more government, more mandates

Not mandates, options. Now who's the moron?

161

#28: If America is turned into Europe, will the male population be forced to carry purses like the sophisticated continental faggots?

I'm already getting ready for this. I'm preparing my rant against Indians, how they feel entitled to pollute our culture with their feel-good Bollywood movies and their curry-flavored cuisine, just because they have the biggest economy and the most powerful military in the world. Then I'll begin a pointless rant demonstrating my utter lack of knowledge about India and its people.

But I'm not carrying no stinking purse. (Besides, I can't decide between Prada and Coach.)

162 Got that today.  Walk into most emergency rooms, claim you're an illegal with no ID or money, and get free treatment.
What could be easier?
Posted by: Purple Avenger

Do you know the difference in costs between seeing a family doctor and going to the emergency room? I'm for cutting costs, not expanding them.

I am not an illegal.

163 Not mandates, options

Except it isn't an "option" no matter how many times you insist it is.

Further, you abject imbecile, I am mandated to pay for it.

164 Now who's the moron?

Um, you.

COBRA doesn't work, and the party you vote for created it.

Yet you are here insisting that this "option" will.

You are beyond stupid.

165

RKG

Check out the Investors Business Daily article

http://tinyurl.com/IBDArticle

166 Not mandates

Er, this is a mandate:

Individual health insurance coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-participating health benefits plan.

You do know what only means, right dipshit?

167

@161 "Why do we expend 75% of health care costs on Uncle Elmer who is brain dead, paralyzed, and blind but we just can't let go of him so take all sorts of extraordinary means to keep his heart beating?"

This is my favorite argument.  It is called research.

20 years ago, many forms of cancer were an immediate death sentence.  Not so today.  By pushing the margins and finding out what works and doesn't work, we have been able to increase survivor rates dramatically- working closer towards a cure.  A cure will certainly cut costs, won't it?

The irony is that other countries with government run healthcare reap the benefits of US research without having to pay for it.  Same goes for pharmaceuticals.

Here is another path we can go down...

If liberals don't believe in the death penalty for criminals, then why do they advocate one for sick people?

BTW, I am for...

Woman's right to choose

Death penality

Use of military

Covert operations

168 "Since Americans don't know how to die, 75% of medical costs are expended in the last year of life."

There we have it. Please, all you old gomers hurry and die so RKG can get his free health care. By all means, lets ruin the health care of 280,000,000 americans so he isn't discommoded.

After that, a car being a necessity in most of the US, we can figure out how to get his free brake jobs and oil changes. We'll work on government lawn care and dry cleaning next.

169 But this was to be a monument to Teddy. If this fails, all he has left is a Snorkel.

170

@170 After that, a car being a necessity in most of the US, we can figure out how to get his free brake jobs and oil changes. We'll work on government lawn care and dry cleaning next.

Hey silly! Don't you realize people need free cars before they can get free brake jobs and oil changes??

Like they are proposing in Massachusetts...

http://tinyurl.com/FreeCars

171

RKG -

Also note in the IBD article that the government wants to get rid of Health Savings Accounts (HSA) so to limit what the individual can do with their own money.

For example, in order to find "savings" to provide coverage for same sex partners, the government is going to remove HSA coverage for OTC (over the counter meds). 

Once again, the lie of "You can keep your current coverage" has been exposed.

BTW - My COBRA expired a couple of months ago- $1300/mo for a family of 6 (with dental).  I am now on a private plan ($600/mo) without dental, but negotiate a cash price with my dentist.

COBRA is a good thing to have when you are between jobs.  It should not be permanent.  The problem is that the government is not currently focused on creating jobs, but instead ramming a massive expansion of the nanny state down our throats.

I believe all of those "shovel ready" jobs are in Washington DC, digging us into a deeper and deeper hole that we may never get out.

 

172 146 Since Americans don't know how to die, 75% of medical costs are expended in the last year of life
Posted by: RKG at July 17, 2009 11:28 PM (Lsz2a

Are you really that ignorant, or are you just an asshole. There will come a time (unless someone does away with your worthless ass) when you will become older, and lets see if you want the government or any one to say your a burden, so please just die.

173 I am not an illegal.

The emergency room staff doesn't know that. 

174 I think that the beauty of HSAs is that if you save and spend wisely, you may have enough to defray some of those end-of-life costs.

175 Yeah, that's it- wait until the end of the year when His poll numbers are getting a bounce from double digit unemployment, cap and trade tax, green jobs creation, and capitulation to the mullahs in Iran.

176   161 See all you girls have to offer in response is flames. Why do we expend 75% of health care costs on Uncle Elmer who is brain dead, paralyzed, and blind but we just can't let go of him so take all sorts of extraordinary means to keep his heart beating?
Flames are all that's required for assholes who throw out made up statistics about a segment of health care that they know nothing about.  This is exactly why morons recognize liberals as the fascists that they really are, and not the humanitarians that they claim to be.   Health care under the American left will turn into a killing machine that operates on the false premise that it's acting out of benevolance. You know, like Obama's legislation permitting sucking babies' brains out a week before they're due to be born, or leaving them on the floor to die if they somehow survive the abortion.    

177

RKG -
We are offering much more than just flames.

Here is an IBD article that will be in Monday's print edition

http://tinyurl.com/MoreMyths

It also addresses the liberals' argument about our lower life expectancy vs other industrialized countries...

Three reasons. One, our homicide rate is two to three times higher than other countries. Two, because we drive so much, we have a higher fatality rate on our roads — 14.24 fatalities per 100,000 people vs. 6.19 in Germany, 7.4 in France and 9.25 in Canada. Three, Americans eat far more than those in other nations, contributing to higher levels of heart disease, diabetes and some cancers.

These are diseases of wealth, not the fault of the health care system

Liberals are trying to eliminate individual wealth, redistribute the wealth and dramatically reduce opportunities to obtain wealth.  Running the healthcare system is one of the tools that helps to achieve that end.

Plus, when Obama Motors "green cars" become your only "choice" you will see highway fatalities and injuries increase, as well as the cost of insurance.  In the liberals worldview, the cost of the additional injuries will be offset by the increased fatalities.

 

178 I've been thinking about the House plan making new private health care insurance policies illegal and have begun to think that it is unconstitutional.

Frankly, it's time that all opponents of Obamacare to embrace "Roe v Wade".

Don't think of it as having anything but a cursory attachment to abortion, but rather think of it as a proven endorsement of health care privacy from the intrusion of the government into your health care decisions.

179

My Dad is one of the lucky 116 that were treated in Philadelphia for prostate cancer, and now we find out that the doctor messed up 92 of the 166 procedures, and that the follow up equipment was broke for 16 months while the staff pretended everything was fine...

yep...I love those government health care programs.

180 Liberals are trying to eliminate individual wealth, redistribute the wealth and dramatically reduce opportunities to obtain wealth.  Running the healthcare system is one of the tools that helps to achieve that end.

Liberal don't want to eliminate individual wealth. As far as redistribution, wasn't it what George W wanted when he reduced taxes on the super wealthy?

when Obama Motors "green cars" become your only "choice"

This is just a silly argument. Only in lala land can you make a leap like that. I (a liberal) just want cars that are more efficient. I would think you would too, unless you enjoyed paying 4 bucks a gallon.

181 If liberals don't believe in the death penalty for criminals, then why do they advocate one for sick people?

Now see this is where knuckle draggers showcase their ignorance. When I said we don't know how to die, booger nosed KLL jumps to the conclusion what I want is a death penalty for sick people.

I just think we should be allowed to die with dignity if we so choose. Is everyone here in favor of humane assisted suicide?

182 #174 The emergency room staff doesn't know that.

So, Purple Avenger do you advocate leaving an illegal on the curb bleeding to death?

Or me until I can prove I'm a citizen. Do you favor a national identity card? Digital implants? That I can name the Boston Bruins goalie?

183 RKG..I love the drama girlfriend.  I bet you feel guilty when you walk past the abortion clinic too.

184 "When I said we don't know how to die, booger nosed KLL jumps to the conclusion what I want is a death penalty for sick people."

No, comrade, what you were kvetching about was those greedy bastard old people daring to consume health care, and thence somehow making the logic-less leap that if they get care, you won't.

Health care, like wealth, contrary to your collectivist world view, is not a limited pie.

185

RKG-

Now see this is where knuckle draggers showcase their ignorance. When I said we don't know how to die, booger nosed KLL jumps to the conclusion what I want is a death penalty for sick people.

Sir,

I attempted to engage you without name calling (except for the use of the word liberal).  Obviously, you are not interested in that sort of discussion.

So, next time, please don't bite so hard when I cum.

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