1
I don't really get that rationale at all.

Obviously.

She made it clear: she couldn't function as a governor anymore without being bogged down in stupid lawsuits. She was sick of walking on eggshells and didn't think it was fair to the people of Alaska that their governor was spending time in office to fend off the Democrat attack machine.

2
The resignation was for the peopleof Alaska, not for her because she couldn't handle the scrutiny or the bullshit.

Her next move will prove me right. She's gearing up to take the Saracuda Show on the road.

3

I cannot even begin to express how pissed off I am at Ace and his "conservative" buddies, e.g., Krauthammer, Noonan, Frum, Goldber, et al.  You guys are a bunch of fucking cockholsters.

4 Beats me too, Ace. I guess only time will tell. As for the left, they're still angryabout Fitzmas not coming and that teh evil BusHitler, Darth Cheney, and the Sith Lord Rove haven't been drug out and hanged in the Washington Mall for "war crimes".

Here's to you, Sarahcuda.  *bows*

5 So this actually makes her a stronger candidate? This, I take it, not only doesn't raise new doubts, but in fact dispels some of the old ones?

6 Ace, so what.  Wanna beat that Marxist in 2012 or not?

Who you gonna run?  Huck? Rudy? Fred? Mitt?  Palin's first rally will dwarf anything they can do.

7 Ace, you and your buddies are pawns. Pawns of the George Soros and the nutroots. Which conservative will you destroy next? After you've destroyed everyone else, I hope you'll be happy with the universal health care pioneer Mitt Romney. I'm sure he'll win 2 or 3 states against Obama in 2012.

8 Yeh Ace, she's finished over this. Let's put up Prep Boy Romney and hope he isn't tied up in some financial improprieties. Let's put Pawlenty up and hope that Obama is so bad that even a jelly spine who sat on his hands in the Coleman-Franken mess won't be a squisy RINO. Let's put up Fuckabee and hope that all Americans love a big government socialist who's a morals scold can reel them in.

On the other hand, the Dems would pay for their fuckups. Omigod, what am I saying! I need to take another pill.

9 1400 more comments, coming right up.

10 >>>I cannot even begin to express how pissed off I am at Ace and his "conservative" buddies, e.g., Krauthammer, Noonan, Frum, Goldber, et al. You guys are a bunch of fucking cockholsters.

Yes, I did this, gm. I posted my critique a full five minutes before she resigned.

Obviously my post was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I DIDN'T FUCKING MAKE HER RESIGN AND NEITHER DID CHARLES FUCKING KRAUTHAMMER.

Real shoot-the-messenger mentailty here. She resigned? Oh, that's not something she's responsible for.

It's the fault of people who were saying she didn't seem to be taking her presidential aspirations very seriously.

You know, gm, you have a real problem with the notion that if you just dream it and want it hard enough, and if everyone dreams it and wants it with you, it happens, and if other people aren't praying hard enough, then maybe it doesn't happen, and it's their fault for not praying hard enough.

11 #8

There is one bright spot.  In the end, there will be only chaos!

12 I'm sure all of the left wing radical slapdicks are high 5-ing the shit out of each other now.

13
Ace, usually you are pretty perceptive but this take was lame.  Go read Doctor Zero's essay over at Hot Air if you want to see what you should have written.

14 ace, it is not difficult to see how this is a good move on her part.

Open your mind.

15 You guys are marinating in a stew of your own disappointment. You're upset Palin's out -- guess what? so am I -- but instead of simply being disappointed in her decision, you're casting about for people to blame for it.

Apparently it's my fault. My scary-tough post on her came three minutes before word she was resigning.

I had no idea she even read my site.

16

Seriously Ace, are you trying to get on Charles Johnson's good side?

Instead of speculating on how Sara Palin sucks, maybe you could speculate how she could be telling the truth about her reasons and how she put the needs of her state over the desires of her own ambitions.

Would that be so hard?

17 Nixon won? But, nobody I know voted for him!

18 gm, if you don't think Ace, Goldberg, or Krauthammer are conservatives, you're unclear on the concept.

19 >>>Ace, usually you are pretty perceptive but this take was lame. Go read Doctor Zero's essay over at Hot Air if you want to see what you should have written.

I did. It's abject nonsense. Apparently there's a brisk trade in that nowadays.

20
We'll see.

21 The American public can forgive and forget a lot. They won't get off the couch to vote for a dull dork though. Which is what the GOP is going to try and sell us

Sarah is the Ferrari. Exciting as all hell and everybody wants to be seen in it and drive it. It does tend to have things go awry though.

The rest of the GOP are minivans. They're functional, but driving one says "I've given up on living and I no longer care who knows it"

22

You know there's nothing better to relieve the stress of all this crap than to have your 3 year old firstborn show an interest in your hobby. He asked to shoot for the first time this evening.

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23 Hate to interrupt the pissing match, but does the "coming indictments" stuff coming from the left remind anyone of the tactics that brought down Ted Stevens?  It worked once in Alaska, and the Dems rarely change their playbook.  Just sayin'.

24 >>>Would that be so hard?

Yes, continuing to propagate a lie just because it is conservatively-correct and many people WISH it to be so is sort of hard.

25 20012? after THIS? forget it! she is done. there is no way she will ever be taken seriously for a 2012 run after resigning from serving as gov. she is done.

26 Geebeezus, I spend the day out with the hubster and come home to this?  WTF? 

This is really sad, whatever the rationale behind her decision. 

And, when coupled to the Sanford debacle it has shaken what very little faith I had in the RNC.  I'm switching parties to Independent on Tuesday. 

27 Hey, look...Firedoglake is photoshopping again

http://tinyurl.com/krcnnl

28 kratos - things are feeling pretty chaotic. I think the end is officially here.

I find it fascinating how polarizing Palin is especially amongst "friends". Whether it her choice of nail polish color or her resignation announcement. I think polarizing people are good for the country. You actually have to make individual decisions about how you feel about a topic. Instead we have group think a la obama and look where we are now!

29 I detect a disturbance in the Force.

30 15 You guys are marinating in a stew of your own disappointment. You're upset Palin's out -- guess what? so am I -- but instead of simply being disappointed in her decision, you're casting about for people to blame for it.

You're goddamned right I'm looking for someone to blame for this. I blame the political class who would throw us all under the bus just for their continued membership in the perks of the elite.

I don't blame you personally Ace. If we were at some party right now I might be shooting bottle rockets at you though.

31 If the lame duck argument were the only thing she cited, then I'd agree that it was odd.

Since it wasn't, since it was only another part of a bunch of other considerations, it just doesn't seem that significant to me.

God, I hope the Left is wrong about the indictment.

32 You know what? Fuck it. Sasha and Malia are now fair game. I want their report cards, their grade-school crushes, their health records and tapes of every time they fussed with their nanny.

I want the tape of Princess Biden snorting coke on Youtube, I want the fact that Biden's son is under investigation for fraud trumpeted from the rooftops.

They want to play, let's play.

Game fucking on.

33

As someone who lives in Europe; and also a citizen of the USA...

I do not see the brass ring as an elected official; and it would be important to note how fundamentally screwed America is with a Media and public drawing from an empty treasury... It might be wise to see Palin's move not for how it will fare toward her futute as a "elected official" or how she may have "failed" for advancement in 2012...

Instead, view her as (perhaps) one of the only who can make some Hell, and do a little serious damage; for the mild and pep-squeaky ones on the inside. 

Days are numbered, and United States is far from certain. 

Happy Independence Day!

 

34 Hey, anyone seen the horrible hit piece on Palin that the Huff Post wrote, then deleted but Free Republic was able to get the screen shot of the whole thing?  The whole story is making fun of Trig.  Nice pieces of whale poop these people are.

http://tinyurl.com/ndj3qa


Huffington Post: "Palin Will Run in '12 on More Retardation Platform"

35 Ace:
But, for better or worse, that is what the job of president (or governor, or vice president entails),

No it isn't. We haven't seen the video of Ashley Biden snorting coke. It what entails for republican children and families.

36 Here's audio of jenny spitzer talking about silda spitzers reaction to her husband's infidelity....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu0-i0OxhME

37 Relax, ace. Any clown that blames you for Palin's decision is a twit and not worth a moment of time or an erg of energy.

But, you are responsible for your opinion of what her act means.

I think you are wrong about her and about what she did.

But, we shall have to wait and see.

38 >>>Yeh Ace, she's finished over this. Let's put up Prep Boy Romney and hope he isn't tied up in some financial improprieties. Let's put Pawlenty up and hope that Obama is so bad that even a jelly spine who sat on his hands in the Coleman-Franken mess won't be a squisy RINO. Let's put up Fuckabee and hope that all Americans love a big government socialist who's a morals scold can reel them in.

Um, dude? This wasn't my choice. It was Sarah Palin's. Obviously if I had known this was coming I wouldn't have written a long post on how Sarah Palin could and should make herself into a more wonkish candidate.

It's unbelievable -- you guys really aren't thinking. You are just emoting. And blaming me, and other people who had nothing to do with Sarah Palin, for her decisions.

You don't like her decision, you're mad about it, so your thrashing about looking for a scapegoat.

39 I'll remain a Palin supporter until it's clear she's out of the game. Seems to me, in this instance, she did what she did in the interest of Alaska. If Mitch Daniels, my governor, made the same decision for the reasons I suspect are driving Palin's resignation, I would support him, too--and grieve the loss of one of the best governors we've had since Morton, Indiana's governor during the Civil War.

40
Your problem, ace, is that you're not taking Sarah Palin at her word. It's all right there. She's telling us exactly why she's doing it and what she's going to do next.

Sarah Palin has never done us wrong so I'm taking her at her word and I'll stick with her until her actions tell me otherwise.

41 It isn't like her wanting to get out of the cesspool of politics is a bad thing.  If she would have run in 2012, the crap coming from the libs would have been UNBEARABLE.  She can't even do her job as governor without constant harrassment.  Unfortunately, we have a bunch of LIMP WRISTED COCKSUCKING PUSSIES ON OUR SIDE WHO NOT ONLY DON'T DEFEND HER, THEY AGREE WITH THE LIBS!  I would never run for office in the Republican Party, they throw you under the bus at the first sign of trouble.  We are going to get the leaders we deserve, which will be a bunch of moderate pussies.  WE NEED TO TAKE THESE COCKSUCKING LIBS HEAD ON FUCKERS!

42 If she runs they will come, I have no problem voting for her if she does!

43 25 20012? after THIS? forget it! she is done. there is no way she will ever be taken seriously for a 2012 run after resigning from serving as gov. she is done.

Yet we voted for Joe Biden in 2008 and his chances of being on the ticket in 2012 are still very good.

Just sayin', don't confuse the wonkery of the insiders hours after an event who think the American voter hangs on their every word as nuggets of wisdom

44 24 >>>Would that be so hard?

Yes, continuing to propagate a lie just because it is conservatively-correct and many people WISH it to be so is sort of hard.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 08:26 PM (gEsIJ)

If you reall think it's a lie then don't say it, but I see no proof that it is.

I like your blog and I'm not going to call you names but I strenuously disagree with you in this instance.

45 ace, that's too many straw men in one post for me.  My fist can only be clinched at one at a time.

46 Some of you Palin-worshippers are completely deluded. Honestly, it's approaching Obot territory; this nonsensical Pollyanna cant that Palin is nothing but solid gold and everything she does is a cunning strategy to winning the presidency. Especially if she does something nonsensical!

"If you strike down Palin, she will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine!"

lol.

47 Kensington, I wouldn't put too much stock in the indictment thing. First, because if there were anything, even the slightest little thing, in her closet, it would have been dragged out by now. Second, she's a popular and honest politician in her own state (unlike Stevens). They can smear her, but there's nothing they can get her for.

48 Help us, Zombie Reagan!  You're our only hope!

49

I applaud her for taking evasive action. They were bankrupting her and tearing down her family. she wouldn't have been able to really do anything for Alaska in the remaining 16 months. I'm sure it was a tough decision because I don't think she is a quitter, and maybe it will hurt her chances at higher office, but what she did is put her immediate family first. Isn't it possible that to her there are things more important than her 2012 chances?  

50 The nutroots is pushing rumors about a coming scandal. I will simply repeat their claims rather than give them any hits. They are claiming that she diverted materials and maybe labor from the construction of a Wasilla sports complex to her home, and that many of the same features are in both. (A sports complex has the same sort of windows one would find in a private home? Really?) And they claim that there is a federal investigation, and coming indictments.

So they aren't going to stop slinging shit at her?

51 Jim,

Please. Imagine this is a candidate NOT named Sarah Palin. This candidate serves 2 1/2 years of her first 4 year term as governor and then resigns out of the blue.

Now, for any candidate NOT named Sarah Palin -- do you really sit there and try to persuade people this is a savvy tactical move?

No, you do not. You call it an odd move, a strange move, a move that signals a lack of interest in future political office and which probably ends hopes for such in the short to mid term.

For anyone NOT named Sarah Palin, you do not contort yourself into strange pretzels trying to come up with counterintuive-bordering-on-non-Euclidean reasons why this actually makes her a stronger candidate.

52 Heaven forbid she is actually telling the truth and the truth is just too much for Belt Way wannabes.

53 "zombie reagan" thats good

54 You know, I can't help but think that if (if) these "scandals" are true, it would be considered "Standard Operating Procedure" if she had a "-D" after her name, and nobody would give it a second thought.

55 Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. Maybe is is her health, or that of a family member, that she doesn't want public yet.

56 In Exile, I wondered the same thing, but I hope I'm wrong. Because that would be sad.

57 >>>>Your problem, ace, is that you're not taking Sarah Palin at her word. It's all right there. She's telling us exactly why she's doing it and what she's going to do next.

You seem to NOT be taking her at her word, either. She has not said a word about running for President but you are reading this odd move as somehow preparatory to that end.

58 So maybe the vanity fair piece won't be worth a shit now. Like it ever was.

59 Trish@28:
I find it fascinating how polarizing Palin is especially amongst "friends". Whether it her choice of nail polish color or her resignation announcement. I think polarizing people are good for the country. You actually have to make individual decisions about how you feel about a topic.

I feel almost as devastated today as I did when Obama won.  I ran for the hills for several weeks after that, turning off politics and the blogs.

It's disappointing, but the way certain people have treated Palin is going to make me re-examine which conservative blogs I want to visit.  For example, do I really want to continue contributing to Hot Air's traffic stats since I truly don't think they've been fair to Palin?  I don't know right now.

And before the cult accusations start flying, I want to assert that it's not all that much about her personally.  Rather, she represents something different, and compelling, and it's disturbing that so many of the people on "our" side seem to want to trash that.  It wasn't the Mitt Romneys or the John McCains who brought me into the Republican Party, it was the Reagans and the Gingrichs (before he lost his mind).

60 She seem to be a good person.  That she even considered running with McCain in the first place disqualifies her as a conservative.

61 She needs to win as a 3rd party.

The other 2 have sold out and are run by corruptocrats. When the Rethuglicans get done raping you it is the DemocRATS who take over....A boot on your neck forever.

62 People are just too emotionally invested in this woman.She was the one bright spot of a dismal political season.The news keeps getting worse every day and we are looking for something,anything positive on our side of the aisle.We had Sarah,hated by the left,our barracuda shge was our shining light in the darkness.I understand the reactions.

63 ace, but this is Sarah Palin - not just anyone.  She has energized the base like no candidate in my lifetime - and I saw Reagan.  Why would we so quickly discard someone like that?

64 Hmmm... you mean she may have put the welfare of her state and the peace of mind of her family above her own political career? You're right, I can't have any confidence in a person like that. What a loser.

/sarc, in case you've been hitting the Val-U-Rite extra heavy.

65 I doubt there is a scandal.

Look, I meant it when I said they make crap up all the time. They do. You think these idiots know shit?

I remember a guy named Fergusson Foont on Salon who was always claiming to be a huge Democratic macher, and claiming he knew for a fact there would be a picture emerging before the 2000 election of George Bush dancing on a table naked while doing coke.

Seriously, he did. Day in, day out.

These people know nothing. If there is a scandal, it's a coincidence that the happen to be squawking about one; since they are always claiming that, obviously they're going to be "right" when one finally comes around.

66 #55

I would be worried if news started to come out that Gov Palin resigned because she was having an affair with some dude named ELE.

/"Deep Impact" reference.  I know, *slap, slap!*.

67 Shit....here we have a candidate like Palin who has the dems practically wetting themselves.....and what do repubs do? We circle the wagons then commence shooting! For Christ's sake....enough with all this introspection and self-flagillation!

68

The Democrats have the ability to order the media to destroy anyone they perceive as a threat.

Read that again.  Slowly.  It is truth.

It is already nearly too late to stop this.

69 I hope she starts her own Party....and then whacks it to the Repubs and the Dems.

That's what this country is wanting.....something new, something real and someone who has not been living in the seepage that is Washington D.C.

70 >>>Why would we so quickly discard someone like that?

Well, I'm not discarding her. She seems to have discarded the governorship, which is a very odd move for someone seeking a higher executive office.

If you think it's some kind of 4th-dimensional jijutsu, okay. But for no other politician would you be spinning such odd, ultraoptimstic theories.

71

Palin has freed herself. She is now unmuzzled; unleashed. Palin unleashed.

WOOT! Let the estrogen fly sarah, go rip off dicks wherever you find them.

72
I don't know if she's running for prez in 2012, you're right.

But it's quite clear to me she's a) not going away, and b) not shutting up.

To me, it sounds like she's going to take her case directly to the people and start a grassroots conservative moment. I think she figures if she comes out as the nominee in '12, fine. If not, she did her part to pave the way for a good fight against Obama in 2012.

Her move was selfless. Maybe that's why it seems so politically unsound to most jaded political junkies.

73 >>>you mean she may have put the welfare of her state and the peace of mind of her family above her own political career?

Well, if she believes she's a good, ethical administrator, I don't see how it's putting Alaska ahead to deny them her able leadership.

74

 For those of us really liked her as a candidate in the next election it is a sad day. Grieve. This resignation does rule her out as a candidate for president. We (as conservatives) will find another candidate we can rally around.

Maybe she is the person we all though she was. A good person with a sound sense of values and moral compass. Maybe such she is simply putting her family first. Putting them before personal ambition and power. Something which the power hungry left would never understand since they are engaged in the destruction of the very meaning of the word.

This does not mean she is giving up the cause. It does not mean that she can not continue to do other things for the conservative movement. RNC chair anyone?

75 People are diappointed and so are looking for a bright side.It must be someone else's fault you see it can't be her fault.Folks she quit,any way you slice it or spin it.

76 You limp wristed conservatives might be sleeping well after this, but I guarantee Barack Obama will not sleep well tonight.

The war is on.  Palin will be talking Socialism 24/7.

77 Yes, I did this, gm. I posted my critique a full five minutes before she resigned.
Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 08:22 PM (gEsIJ)

My scary-tough post on her came three minutes before word she was resigning.
Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 08:24 PM (gEsIJ)

Can't keep the timeline straight, can you Ace? It's obvious you are were in on it and your feeble alibi is already falling apart.

Keep posting smart military blog boy...you'll confess the whole scheme before the night is through. All we'll need then is a video of you crushing a Palin mannequin made out of chicken wire and then we'll have our man!

78 ace, this move indicates she is either leaving politics or she is diving into it.

This moves does not means she has murdered her political career.

Belt Way conventional thinkers think it does. They do so because they can't think any other way.

79 GOP better hope there's a scandal in her future.  If she decides to run, establishment republicans are fucked.  She'll suck all the oxygen out of any campaign.  No donations, no base coming out to do the ground work.  Think the base is going to come out for Romney?  Pawlenty?  Daniels?  Looks like a game of chicken between the those inside Washington and conservatives out in Flyover country.  Just like I don't feel bad for Palin and the treatment she got, I won't have any sympathy for the likes of Romney if she decides to run on a third party ticket. 

80 .........ace, but this is Sarah Palin - not just anyone


......................ditto's!  Once you boys and girls get this, it all falls into place for you.

She's a real human American who knows what it is like to live a real American life.  Not the idiots in Washington DC.  Even if she doesn't run in 2012, she will be a force to be reckoned with.  That is what I am looking forward to.

81 I am devastated. Not for Palin's political career, but for what is shows about America. Assuming that there is no coming scandal, and that we should take her at her word, the most "real" (down to earth, non-insider) candidate for office in some time has had more than 100% of her net wealth used up to defend herself from baseless charges.

Her mentally handicapped infant is consistently used as a punching bag by leftroots. Every element of her eldest daughter's life has been examined more closely than Obama.

I don't know how any mother could take it if she though that she was bringing harm to her family like that. This is why we never get good candidates for public office. They either don't care about their family, or are just used to being abused in the public sphere.

82

Totally OT, but I know youse guys well enough to know how you will appreciate this.

Oh.

Did I mention she's Israeli?

83 Ace, is this a bad time to ask for bookmarks on a 'homepage' here for the morons? There have been so many well written posts with equally well written and chuckle-filled posts. The problem is I don't even know where to begin looking. I know I'm responsible for my own data base but Ace is the place for me. BTW, I dropped into the moron meet up in Grapevine but made a hasty exit when after 2 min I smelled as if I'd been playing cards inside an actual cigarette.
On Palin, I don't know if she's done but - would find great satisfaction in her going about the business of tormenting Barry at every turn.

84 >>>Heaven forbid she is actually telling the truth and the truth is just too much for Belt Way wannabes.

She may be telling the truth. If she's telling the truth, she's still a person who decides to quit a term halfway through. Whether for good reasons or bad.

Look, I don't see how that gets spun into a positive thing.

If you're voting for President, you expect them to serve out a full term.

85 Sorry guys, she's done.
The left has won one hell of a victory here.  They hounded her into quitting.
But if she can't handle this, she can't handle running for or being president.
It's a damn sad day.

86 You guys are just lucky Jackstraw's not here to say I told you so.

87 It's unbelievable -- you guys really aren't thinking. You are just emoting. And blaming me, and other people who had nothing to do with Sarah Palin, for her decisions.

I'm not blaming you Ace, just disagreeing with your take on it. Yes I'm emoting because a charismatic politician for us came under nonstop vicious attacks on her and her children from a puss brained degenerate bunch of elitists. Charismatic politicians do stir the emotions. If this had happened to Pawlenty I would have yawned and turned on the ballgame.

I'm a little sick also of being told by the clueless leaders and wonks of our side that every little slip dooms us. That's why Allahpundit is so tiresome, he takes a perverse joy in gloominess and it's gotten way past old. I'm sick of the double standard which holds us to a set of rules and mores that are humanly impossible. I'm sick of the insiders of the GOP who would rather flush the country down the toilet than take one little nick on their careers and social circles. I'm sick of the insiders who never bother to come to our tea parties or visit our blogs, but seem to know what we all want.

Yeh, I'm emotional about this because I know that a lot of the blogosphere is popping champaign over this, they worked covertly to ruin our ONLY widely attractive politician, and still want us to eat up their little crumbs of wisdom so they can keep making a living.

Ace, I've been here long enough to know that you're sincere in what you say. I can't say the same for the other bloggers over at H/A or NRO.  I once trusted Charles Johnson and in another age even Andi Sullivan. I might read Allah and Ed, but everything they say will be suspect to me as to what hidden agenda they have either personally or politically

88 You know, I can't help but think that if (if) these "scandals" are true, it would be considered "Standard Operating Procedure" if she had a "-D" after her name, and nobody would give it a second thought.

+1

Unfortunately, this is the MSM cocksucker world we live in.  I dunno what can be done about it.  There is no Republican out there that knows how to deal with it.  Kissing the f-ers asses doesn't help.

It seems Zombie Reagan is our only hope.  I guess maybe the jug ear fool f-ing up so badly that people truly wake up is a hope too.  I just have a hard time wishing for call double digit inflation and unemployment, several of the largest tax increases in history of the planet and a mushroom cloud over one of our cities.

Now back to drinking.

89 Face it, Palin wasn't all that.  Don't get me wrong.  I've always been extremely sympathetic towards her, and for what she stands for.  And I DESPISE the media for what they did to her family.  But she's weird too.  Her bizarre cadence, the way she seems to ramble on.  Her bumpersticker answers.  I just don't think she is presidential material.  I'm horrified by what they did to her, but at the same time I don't see this as a great loss to our comeback.  I think just about anybody will be able to take Obama in 2012.

90

She's bringing the fight, and she's bringing hell with her.  She's in Ipecac's melon.  Maybe she'll slow down his brainstorms for destroying the US.

Willard draws 50 people to his free pizza/listening tour.  Sarah Palin drew 20,000 to a charity event in BLUE NY state last month.  The MSM and dems want Willard as the GOP candidate for '12.  They wanted McShame too.

Ace, you damn her with faint praise (and I'm being charitable), but I'd crawl through broken glass for this woman to be my prez'l candidate.  (BTW -  Bolton's a big fan of hers!)

Sarah Palin 2012.  Let's roll.

 

 

 

91 poopy!

92
ah jeeze, the 'can't handle it' meme has legs and it's running like Jesse Owens

93 Some asswipe on CNN right after she made the announcement was saying something about how she was bugging out now that Alaska's good times are done and they're hitting a rough patch. I mean, what a prick. You have doubts or curiosities about why she would choose now to resign, but really?? She couldn't hack the down economy, so she's quitting with her tail between her legs? Ass.

94 Don't know if this means she's done or not. We'll just have to wait and see.

But one thing is certain. We need to vigilantly pursue Project Leper. Any 2012 campaign that McCain's backstabbing cockholster staffers show up in needs to be raked over the coals.

95

>>>You know, gm, you have a real problem with the notion that if you just dream it and want it hard enough, and if everyone dreams it and wants it with you, it happens, and if other people aren't praying hard enough, then maybe it doesn't happen, and it's their fault for not praying hard enough.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 08:22 PM (gEsIJ) <<<

I didn't support anyone in 2012. IT'S FUCKING 2009!! I'm just sick of "conservatives" pundits and your circular firing squads. You guys are being played!

96

I mentioned in the other thread that some, like Jonah, seem to be after a perfect candidate, hence Jonah's pygmalion post advising Sarah to wonk up.  I think that would be cool too, but don't lose sight of the fact she is a viable candidate as is.  People love her like crazy.  She fills venues like no one else.  I'd like her to talk more like Reagan too, but she's our best hope for anything in the future.  She ain't business as usual.  She's got an honest streak a mile wide.  I find that highly appealing. 

I recall last year a picture of a very old lady who had made her own Palin button.  She had drawn a bulldog with lipstick.  She was wearing it with pride.  Who the fuck else in our shit bag party is going to cause that old lady to make another button?  No one. 

So what if Palin isn't the perfect candidate.  She has 95% of "it."  That's good enough for me. 

I do hope Ace is wrong about this resignation.  I hope she's downshifting, getting ready to punch it.  Even my mom said someone "must have pissed her off."  But I learned long ago to trust Ace's intuition.  (When he beat everyone to the punch on Andrew Sullivan's motiviations and eventual party switch, as a matter of fact.  Nice call.)  So, we'll see.  I'm not sure what's going on. 

I do think it would be nice if we could support our best candidate more.    

97 The Palin did no resign! She ascended into Heaven and is forming Jesus and Moses into a 2012 exploratory committee!

If you say otherwise you're a moonbat heretic.

98 The Left demonized, attacked, harassed, and abused her every fucking day. It cost her half a million fucking dollars to just tread water. Not one of the fuckstick dipshits mentioned as possible candidates by anyone here other than her have dealt with even a goddamned fraction of the shit she's had to eat and grin through in just the last fucking month, not to mention every goddamned thing since before the rigged election.

So before you go heaping more shit on her head about being lame or weak, consider that you have no frame of reference - hell, no one does - for what she's had to put up with for this fucking long. And none, absofuckinglutely NONE of the other "possibles" have been abused and harassed like this woman has been.

Before you say "she shoulda" you better have an alternate that DID, and guess what? There have been none.

99 >>>ace, this move indicates she is either leaving politics or she is diving into it.

eman, I dig your optimism, but have you ever heard of someone resigning from their first term as anything to run for a higher office?

Bear in mind that it we conservatives often argued that Palin was more experienced than Obama -- based on her short, but still real, gubernatorial experience.

Well, she just ended that. Six months later. She's only had six months more experience than she had when running for VICE president.

How is it a good thing for her to have quit the office that was teaching her executiveship?

100
polynikes, where is JackStraw? Haven't seen him around for weeks.

101

Umm, she is the only one I would vote for,, who else is there??

 

102 Geez, people.  It's not her health or her family's health (she stated her family was fine).  Also, the left is so evil.  They are spreading that lie about a pending lawsuit.  We all know it's a bunch of crap.

People are speculating about why she resigned because she is not a typical politician - one who is in it for themselves.  I truly believe she resigned because she couldn't do the job she wanted.  Who could with all those lawsuits?  Of course, if she didn't resign, the left probably would whine about how much time she was spending in court.  Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

I suggest we all sit back and quit speculating.  We're not going to know until after the 25th anyway.

103 72 - tweetie is on point.  Just my beer swillin' opinion.

104 Can't keep the timeline straight, can you Ace? It's obvious you are were in on it and your feeble alibi is already falling apart.

Keep posting smart military blog boy...you'll confess the whole scheme before the night is through. All we'll need then is a video of you crushing a Palin mannequin made out of chicken wire and then we'll have our man!

Posted by: DrewM. at July 03, 2009 08:44 PM

The next string of M-80s is heading for your feet wise-ass. I'm throwing you in the pool too

105 Politicians need a thick skin.Republican politicians need fucking adamantium skin.They know they have the MSM on their ass 24/7 if they are seen as a threat.We need people who can handle it without caving,she caved.

106 The Palin once cut off her own foot, and two feet grew in to replace it! All the better to run for office in 2012!

Take that, unbelievers!

107 No offense, but didn't Obama "resign" halfway into his first term as Senator?

108 She's only done when she says she is done. 

And, if she believes the way you believe, then why not support her?  Why look for all of the reasons not to support her?  You afraid of what the lefties will say?  They aren't afraid of what we say about their Hope and Change.  Why are we afraid of them?

She was going to get slammed one way or the other, at least she made a selfless choice for her family and the people of Alaska. 

109 >>>gm, if you don't think Ace, Goldberg, or Krauthammer are conservatives, you're unclear on the concept.

Posted by: Maetenloch at July 03, 2009 08:25 PM (3AOhX) <<<

They may be conservatives, but they are being played. They want to get into the good graces of the Washington "elites"and are being used as pawns by the left. They can be used as the "see, even [insert conservative pundit name] says [insert leading conservative name] has problems because [insert latest liberal meme]."

110 Please. Imagine this is a candidate NOT named Sarah Palin. This candidate serves 2 1/2 years of her first 4 year term as governor and then resigns out of the blue.

But Sarah didn't resign "out of the blue". That's where you're wrong. She resigned after getting hit with ethics complaints every time she turned around which prevented her from doing her job as governor.

Quit trying to find the "real meaning" behind her words. She laid it all out there in front of you, the reasons and everything.

111 >>>People love her like crazy.

30% of people love her like crazy and another 12% like her but don't quite love her.

That is not 50%.

You guys get mad at Goldberg (and me) for saying it, but it is simple math. She is not at 50%. She is, at best, at 42%. She needs another 8%, and the passion her supporters have for her does not make up that gap. One passionate voter still casts one vote, not two.

When people suggest ways in which she could get that 8%, we're told to stuff it.

112 I can't stand reading how great this move is with the excuse, "It's so not a political move so it must be Rainbow Unicorn awesome!"

It's almost like Palin is our Skittles shitting Unicorn. She quit. She's done. It sucks. Get over it.

113 78:

this move indicates she is either leaving politics or she is diving into it.

This moves does not means she has murdered her political career.

Belt Way conventional thinkers think it does. They do so because they can't think any other way.

I think this pretty much sums it up: way too many of you stating that her political future is doomed over this have been hitting the Beltway Brand Rotgut too hard--normal people (I can't stress that enough: normal people i.e. those that don't live, eat, shit and breathe politics, i.e. 98%+ of the electorate) will fully understand her decision, regardless of how her enemies attempt to spin it in the future.

Sometimes you have to take a step back (or, in some cases, several hundred miles) and try to look at reality without it being warped by the gravitational field of the 'elites' who, regardless of part/ideology, all mostly think the same insofar as how politics are supposed to work but don't actually apply. (Look at it this way: did anyone ever think W or Reagan would win the White House? Nope. Both were made out to be ignorant, idiotic, incompetent boobs by the media and, in this regard, Palin is no different. But, unlike W, Palin connects with people (I'd argue even moreso than Reagan did, at least before 1984) in a way that 99% of politicians can't and that's her, err, ace in the hole going forward.)

114 If she does want to run in 2012 there's no way she can do it if she lets the Dems bankrupt her and tap out all her donors with another 16 months of frivolous lawsuits. She had to do something to stop the bleeding.

115 Comments, dang it, chuckle filled comments, oh and erudite as well.

116 Is 'executiveship' a word?

117 Well, if she believes she's a good, ethical administrator, I don't see how it's putting Alaska ahead to deny them her able leadership.

Posted by: ace

Now factor in what was actually going on. She was not able to lead because she was seen as a future threat to the One. She was forced to spend too much time and energy fighting political enemies. The longer she stayed in office the more Alaska would suffer. A good leader knows how to recognize this and knows what to do about it. Why are you filtering out critical data? Why is it so hard for you to see beyond your nose?

118 >>>They want to get into the good graces of the Washington "elites"

Yawn. God, that one never gets old. Anytime someone deviates from the conseravtively-correct line, it's because they want to ingratiate themselves with the beltway fondu circuit.

This despite the fact that I, personally, am not being invited anywhere by anybody.

119 Posted by: kbdabear at July 03, 2009 08:50 PM (0Lv+U)

Hey, you can't deny I did my turn in the box. Sure it's not as much fun as mixing it up with Ace but it was something.

So now I'm just going to be the annoying guy sniping at everyone from the peanut gallery.

120 Then lo, the Palin did scuttle her political career in order to make her an even better politician!

This is the word of the Palin.

121 Speculation is all we have.

122 God forbid if someone might just have a difference of opinion with no hidden, mercenary agenda.

God forbid if someone might just honestly and rationally believe you to be in error.

123 On the resignation:  The fact is she's more valuable to the party and herself raising money full time.

124

In all reality, Palin, or any Candidate running against the Social-left, will not stand a chance, until we reform the MEDIA...

With the Cuda gloves on;, she can NOW work on many levels...To me, it's looking like Sarah is the best option of working "outside" to bring this all down.

FACT:  Each day that goes by, America (as a Free United States) is looking less and less likely to reach 2012... 

125 ^{"Yes I'm emoting because a charismatic politician for us came under nonstop vicious attacks on her and her children from a puss brained degenerate bunch of elitists."}

And on top of that, every time they did so, people on our side watched, got boners and jumped on to get their own licks in.  Afterward, they inevitably bragged about how their integrity demanded it.  Every damn time.

126 And on the third day did the Palin give an awful, stumbling interview to Katie Couric, in order that She might demonstrate how in control She actually is!

Praise.

127 poop!

128 #90 Rushbabe.....

You said it best.....for those that don't get it...well, you're just dead weight.

129 Let's see if I have this straight..

President Messiah went to a racist, hate-filled church for 20 years, is apparently a Alinski-ite, has many associations with known crooks, is essentially a corrupt Chicago thug, but PALIN, who has fought corruption for several years is the one who has no future?

I'm not buyin'

130 The nutroots have been pushing that alleged scandal since last year. With all the dumpster diving and virtual pelvic exams on her that have been done, I would think that if there were anything to it, it would've already come out. I could be wrong on that though.

I burst into tears several times at Sarah speeches, that's how much I love her. But I also know it's dangerous to be unable to step back and look objectively at anyone, especially a politician. ace's criticism is constructive, and I'm withholding judgement on this whole deal until I know more. I totally give her the benefit of the doubt, but no politician gets a free pass from me.

131

>>>She is, at best, at 42%. She needs another 8%, and the passion her supporters have for her does not make up that gap. One passionate voter still casts one vote, not two.

When people suggest ways in which she could get that 8%, we're told to stuff it.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 08:52 PM (gEsIJ) <<<

 

Passion counts - it gets people to show up. You are correct if you expect 100% turnout. You are wrong otherwise.

132 107 No offense, but didn't Obama "resign" halfway into his first term as Senator?

Posted by: In Exile at July 03, 2009 08:51 PM (jSSJe)

No but he spent most of it running for Pres and voting present. 

Geez, I've never heard her say she watns to run in 2012.  Maybe she will just go out there and be a force for conservative causes and not deal with the bs of public office.

133 The sad fact is, the Republican establishment allowed their Last Best Hope - Palin - to be destroyed. They hatedher from the start, because she wasn't one of them.

I'm really disappointed, because I don't see anyone capable of generating the excitement she has out there. I suppose the Love Gov will have to do? Sigh.

134 People are still running on emotion.I'll be interested to see where the consensus is on Monday or Tuesday.

135 >>>normal people (I can't stress that enough: normal people i.e. those that don't live, eat, shit and breathe politics, i.e. 98%+ of the electorate) will fully understand her decision

Um, normal people expect other normal people to finish things they have started, complete terms of service they have sought and won, etc.

Normal people don't quit their jobs.

Granted, she's in abnormal job. But this is the kind of crap I mean -- it's driving me crazy. You are spinning what is OBVIOUSLY abnormal into something that's not normal but super-duper-normal, so normal that only the super-duper-normal can understand it!

Well, quitting your job after 2 1/2 years when you are under contract for four is not normal and I will not accept it's "the new normal," just because Palin did it.

136 Then the Palin, in Her wisdom, let her popularity dwindle to practically nothing, proving just how popular She would actually become!

All hail!

137 132 107 No offense, but didn't Obama "resign" halfway into his first term as Senator? Posted by: In Exile at July 03, 2009 08:51 PM (jSSJe)

Read that wrong. Third glass of wine, sorry....

138 ^{"When people suggest ways in which she could get that 8%, we're told to stuff it."}

No, Ace, guys like Krauthammer get told to stuff it because he goes on TV and declares her dead in the water because she hasn't already gotten that 8% 3.5 years before the next election.

139 Mixed feelings, she should not waste her time if she can not be effective as govenor. Yes, Jonah had a point, she does need work on how to present/articulate issues and some polish. Her instincts are great, and I truly admire her character and risk taking. With a bit of time it is easy to learn about policy and polish. You can not however learn desire and backbone- she has both in abundance. Sarah, spend time with your family, follow the course that your heart and mind set - ignore all the worthless senators, congressman and residents on Washington DC. Those who do, do, those who don't become journalists et al.
God Bless you, your family and America on July 4.

140 You know who this benefits?

141

We need a strong conservative voice <i>now</i> out telling people what Ogabe is doing to the country. Sarah will fill that bill, mark my words. And she will be a strong voice for conservative candidates in 2010. Who can draw bigger crowds? Bring in more money? Inspire the base?

By resigning she is free to go on the offensive. This is great. Those that want to parrot the DC pundits, hey, that's easy to do, have at it. But conventional wisdom is wrong 2/3 of the time. You will hear a lot from Sarah over the next  year and a half. I bet more than  a few commenters here will be eating their words.

This is great.

 

142 >>> A good leader knows how to recognize this and knows what to do about it. Why are you filtering out critical data? Why is it so hard for you to see beyond your nose?

A good leader quits leading for the good of those she's leading.

Okay.

It's Backwards Day.

143 The only being capable of slaying the Evil Lord God Obama is the Angelic Goddess Palin.

144

It appears that Alinsky was right.  He couldn't have been right, though, unless he knew how the mob and he dems act.  And how the latter are utterly without morality.  Utterly.

It's also a warning to other opposing candidates.

145

In case anyone's forgotten, Bush resigned the governor's office by announcing he was running for President.

 

146
The difference in opinion doesn't bother me. It's how fast some of us jumped ship and got angry with Gov Palin for doing what she thinks is right for her citizens.

She doesn't deserve the shitstorm she gets from the Left and she sure as hell doesn't deserve a single negative word from anyone on our side.

Palin has done nothing but right by us and to shit on her now after she announces what was a very difficult decision is just wrong.

147 I had said to others before ... Palin is not the future for conservatives.  She is good and relates to the common man ... but has been bludgeoned, and is just not super sharp with CEO type executive experience.

Obama can get away with being a dolt, the MSM obviously loves their lefty sophomore, as do his other mentors (Ayers/Wright/zombie Alinsky)

But conservatives need a real "Jason Borne" style fighter, that is adept at handling every question with panache.  

Maybe this will take conservatives focus off hopes of Palin somehow flying in to save their bacon, and make them focus on more competent candidates that will not be such easy fodder for "our enemies".

Palin will be fine and an attribute to the cause, and acted as a display of how brutal and cutthroat the left really is.  2010 is the next battle ... recovering congress.  Dreaming of hot legs Palin for 2012 made for an unreal but sexy delusion.  As I see it.

148 If she really is as great a leader as everyone says she is, she should have been able to handle those things, that's what a leader does. Leaders don't quit when it gets tough, they retool, get a new strategy, and finish the job. Quitting the job isn't retooling. Quitting is quitting.

149 127,
no. The POTUS is well insulated from such abuse.

What elsa ya got, sunshine?

150 This does not mean she is giving up the cause. It does not mean that she can not continue to do other things for the conservative movement. RNC chair anyone?

The RNC (and GOP) is broken. 

If Sarah announced herself as the head of a new political party -- or even, god help me for saying it, as a libertarian -- I would seriously consider joining that party.  She should not lift a finger for the GOP.  Pearls before swine, baby. 

I don't fault Ace for his post (and I agree that the lame duck portion of her rationale is, well, lame), although I think the tone is a bit more doom and gloom than it needs to be at this stage of the game.  But for me the main message is that we either have (excuse me, in my case had as of Tuesday) a Party leadership that does not know how to recognize and nurture talent (which includes aggressively counter-attacking when those folks are attacked and slandered) or we have a Party that cannot field competent candidates.  Take your pick, but either way I see now hope. 

I'm so fucking pissed off. 

151 Inspector, I like the cut of your jib. You're a friggin' wordsmith. Encore!

152
Exactly, Brucefdff.

153 And then, the Palin did abandon her own constituents in order to lead them that much better!

Praise!

154

I cant imagine what the effect of a half Million Dollars in legal defenses would do to me or my family. (yes I can, actually).

The fuckers will break you, one way or the other.

155 149 Posted by: eman at July 03, 2009 09:01 PM (fpywm)

Really? Where were you during Bush's last term? Because if that's any indication, Palin's term as President would be far worse than anything that was thrown at Bush.

156 I was thinking about the list (very short) of possible excuses Ace suggested might be adequate excuses for this move by Palin -- I think he said cancer treatments -- and I wonder about another one.  Maybe her marriage is on the rocks.  Wasn't it just this week that the crap about Todd's membership/alleged membership in that separatist party resurfaced? 

157 "Well, if she believes she's a good, ethical administrator, I don't see how it's putting Alaska ahead to deny them her able leadership."

I don't get this whole we-need-a-magic-leader thing some people have in the country. That's what got us Obama. I think she thinks that the people of Alaska are quite independent and can get along fine without having "a leader" hold them by the hand.

On the other hand, from what I've been reading of her statement, all the shit being flung at her day-in and day-out was actually preventing her from being an "able leader." And it wasn't going to stop. The leftist shits in the media and the government (and the weak sisters in the Republican Party, from whom she was getting no support, but only attacks) have her in their sights, because she stirs up the rubes (that is, the grassroots voters who are sick of being used as political toilet paper by Our Betters In Charge), and there is no way they can let us yokels and primitives and rednecks get any real political power. Because then the French or the Bulgarians or someone might sneer at us. So getting out, in her view, was the best she could do for Alaska.

158 The POTUS is well insulated from such abuse.

I find your idea interesting and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

159 A good leader quits leading for the good of those she's leading.

Okay.

It's Backwards Day.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 08:59 PM (gEsIJ)

OK, ace.  She is leading a bigger cause than just for the folks in Alaska.  Your cause, ace.  Our cause.  Don't shoot your leader until you have a better one.

160 >>>No, Ace, guys like Krauthammer get told to stuff it because he goes on TV and declares her dead in the water because she hasn't already gotten that 8% 3.5 years before the next election.

Krauthammer declared her "not as serious candidate" because she wasn't undertaking the necessary moves to get that 8% -- not because she didn't yet have it, but because she was not doing anything we could see to even get them, eventually.

Whether you accept this or not, not everyone has confidence in Sarah Palin as president.

I don't, for example. I thought, and argued passionately, that she was qualified for VICE president. I thought she could get seasoning on the job.

But if she's running for PRESIDENT, she needs to demonstrate she's already ready to take the top job.

And to do that she had to become more fluent on national issues apart from her pet issues.

I didn't see her making strides towards that. Many didn't.

We're not all "moderates' or "RINOs" or splitters who want to party at Katharine Graham.

If you can't accept that some people really, honestly felt Sarah Palin's shakiness on a lot of important federal policy stuff made us wonder about her competency for the highest, most powerful office in the world, what can I say? I can only assure you my feelings are real and not making some evil hidden agenda.

She did not give me the confidence I wanted.

For VICE president, I could blow it off a bit. She'd have some time, presumably, to learn on the job.

But if she's running for the top job, I can't make excuses for her. Either she's ready or she's not.

161 Really? Where were you during Bush's last term? Because if that's any indication, Palin's term as President would be far worse than anything that was thrown at Bush.

The weakness in that example is that GOP leaders and insiders weren't actively trying to take down W. 

162 shit  sockpuppet off

163

gm: I cannot even begin to express how pissed off I am at Ace and his "conservative" buddies, e.g., Krauthammer, ... Frum, Goldberg, et al. You guys are a bunch of fucking cockholsters.

The Israeli flag hanging in her office wasn't enough to get them to overlook her Christianity.

Blood is thicker than water when it comes to that crowd.

 

164 It's Backwards Day.

I thought it was tres de cuatro.

165

It's MONEY!  Can't you see it?  Palin will soon be a very rich woman.

  Speeches, a book deal, the whole schmear;  putting out her "own" line of clothing, bedlinen with Kodiak bear pattern for the right wing evengelical kiddies, cold weather cosmetics, cookbooks with moose and ptarmigan recipes, etc. etc.  The possibilities are endless.

  She'll be able to travel and not have to worry about being away from her duties to Alaska NOR worry about who pays for her travels.

Supposedly, she has a lot of debts to lawyers and they, of course, won't take the kind of IOUs that Schwartzenegger is issuing.  (Alaska is deep in the hole as well)

166 For anyone NOT named Sarah Palin, you do not contort yourself into strange pretzels trying to come up with counterintuive-bordering-on-non-Euclidean reasons why this actually makes her a stronger candidate.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 08:35 PM

For anyone NOT named Barack Obama with his amazing ability to be black, a few years in the Senate with no executive experience would have been laughed out of the primaries.

You're seeing her as a beltway wonk would see her. Read Scott Rasmussen when you can on the growing gulf between America's voting class and our Political Class. It's even wider in those two classes in the GOP.

Maybe you're right that American voters won't get past her quitting midway in her only term as governor. But American voters also can forgive many things. Someone who is beaten down then stands back up to fight again is always a fan favorite. Whether she does or not neither you nor I know.

167 One of the things I've noticed is the cartooning of the Palins.  Sarah Palin may be a "candidate" but she's a real person.

The media treats her like they treated Michael Jackson or the way they treat Paris Hilton.  She and her family (I guess by virtue of being Republicans) are not considered real people and you can say anything about them you want.

This happens to all celebrities to some extent, but our celebrity culture consists of commenters who are so distant from their subjects that they caricature them.

168

I do not think she quit to run for President. I do not think she quit becuase she couldn't take the heat. I think she quit because she's broke and going through taxpayer money like a Kennedy through a mini-bar.

She'll pop up somewhere very soon. Somewhere, I suspect, where she will be uncollared, as it were, while representing the people of Alaska.

She'll make one hell of a fundraiser. And, I suspect we all know that it won't be for the RINO party. So, behind whom does she throw her considerable weight?

169 She's done. I forgot all the stages of grieving and whatnot, but people will eventually accept this.

She was not going to win in 2012. In order to do that, you need your party behind you. The only reason that Republicans in positions of power would get behind her would be to stab her in the back. And she would lose the female vote badly unless she got uglier in a hurry.

As for 2012, it's a ways off. If Barry is half the asshat we think he is, he'll be in trouble. Political vacuums have a tendency to fill themselves. Worrying about who fills it at this point is a waste of time, but it seems absurd to think that Palin is the only one out there who could beat a floundering Barry.

170 She didn't quit leadership. She transferred it to someone else so that the attacks on her would stop hurting Alaska.

I's called personal sacrifice.

And real people do quit their jobs. There are many good reasons to do so.

You are letting a first impression and a single word stop your brains in their tracks.

171 I should run for Prez.  Who the hell is going to start crap with a half-naked guy with a blood-red tattoo wearing a leather skirt with long blazing knives attached to his arms?  And if corrupt Dems like Pelosi wanted to drown me with crap bills, forget about just putting a severed horse head on her bed.  I'd put the severed head of Helios on it!  A severed horse head is scary, a severed head of a Greek deity would be absolutely fucking terrifying! 

Well, I have to work on my campaign slogan.  It would be counter-productive of me to make bumper stickers and t-shirts that say: "2012 - In the end, there won't be "change", there will be only chaos!"

172

Incidentally, there are some precedents for gubernatorial legal defense funds against bullshit attacks.

 

Personally I think the state should pick up the tab, but whatever.

173

I linked and linked and got here from Comservatives4Palin. WTF? I had to register with Google to post a comment. Are they totally clueless? Google is the biggest supporter of Obama and all they do is harvest names and emails.

You guys watch Sarah in action. She knows what she is doing and someone has to step up to the plate and confront this corrupt administration. By the time all is said and done and 2012 rolls around, Obarfa and his cockroach minions will be history.

 

174

Of course its an unusual thing for a govenor to do, but no govenor has ever been in such a position as Palin finds herself in. She was sitting up there like a sitting duck. I just think we need to relax a bit and see what she does next before deciding what her future prospects might be.

I would have bet everything I own that a man with Rev Wright as a preacher and Bill Ayers as a friend would have no shot in hell. We are in a new age, almost anything goes now.

175
I find myself in congruence with Andrea Harris quite often.

just saying

176 She's got Beck, Rush, Tammy Bruce, Greta, Mark Levin, John Gibson, Mark Steyn, John Bolton and political strategist extraordinaire Fred Malek in her corner.  But, hey, you naysayers keep trashing her.  Maybe Zero will give you an extra bread crust when you vote for him in '12.  

177 >>>I bet more than a few commenters here will be eating their words.

Oh, we are in complete agreement on that point, Brucefdb.

178 I think Ace is right.  Palin apparently could not do her job, and that is a bad reference - especially given the promises she gave, when she started that job.

179

jmflynny @ 82

well done- your link was a much-needed garden hose in the middle of this dogfight

180 And she would lose the female vote badly unless she got uglier in a hurry.

Well, a lot of us women did/would vote for her. 

Maybe we conservative women should quit the GOP and start our own party.  We can all put our hair up and wear great shoes and slick glasses. 

And carry large guns. 

181 Kratos, I think you should worry about Dante before seeking higher office...

182 But if she's running for the top job, I can't make excuses for her. Either she's ready or she's not.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 09:05 PM (gEsIJ)

Bull hockey.  It's only been a few months.  Could she have a few more days to study please?  Maybe she could read off a teleprompter by then.  This can't be  your main reason, the logic doesnt hold up.

183

Thanks Uncle...same to you. I'm going back to bejohngalt, I like the slower pace.

Yeah, copper peony is on it too!

 

184 >>>On the other hand, from what I've been reading of her statement, all the shit being flung at her day-in and day-out was actually preventing her from being an "able leader." And it wasn't going to stop. The leftist shits in the media and the government (and the weak sisters in the Republican Party, from whom she was getting no support, but only attacks) have her in their sights, because she stirs up the rubes (that is, the grassroots voters who are sick of being used as political toilet paper by Our Betters In Charge), and there is no way they can let us yokels and primitives and rednecks get any real political power. Because then the French or the Bulgarians or someone might sneer at us. So getting out, in her view, was the best she could do for Alaska.

This applies equally to any hypoethetical future palin presidency, x 1000.

185 She's close to tears, and visibly distraught- it looks like the hate and poison has got to her. She's also telling the truth, as far as I can tell - it may not that complicated.

186 Gotta love Palin no matter what, she gets people talking and worked up. That can't be bad for Conservatives.

My gut is that she put family before politics, and I don't blame her.

Governor, go have fun with the family. Relax, shoot a moose, and put pictures of Andrew Sullivan and David Letterman on the antlers.

187

Ace,

Here's the point.

Imagine the Dems are an army fortified on a hill. Palin is your comrade, your brother in arms, charging that hill and you are standing back, "covering" her. She is taking massive amounts of enemy fire. What do you and your brothers do? For every 2 or 3 shots you take at the enemy, you take one at Palin, just to keep her on her toes. Is it a real shock that she'd say "fuck it"?

188 Many spelling and grammar mistakes today, sorry : "it may not be that complicated."

189 OH, I so agree with #71 and #72.
One thing I have learned in life is that everything happens for a reason. Right now, Sara my be bowing out because of the constant harassment by the media, her political rivals, (and by people in her own party!) and the distraction it is causing for the state of Alaska but....
Like she said, she isn't going away, just diverting her attention somewhere else and what I think is that she is going to put the 'full court press' on Obama and his agenda.
She can't do that from Alaska as governor!
She is truly free now! She is going to 'take Obama on'...she realizes she has to start now and I think she realizes that there is NOBODY ELSE TO DO IT!!.
Watch and see....she will start a 'movement'.
There is something about this woman.
I am a strong woman and the way I think...and I think the way Sara thinks is: If you want to get something done, you have to do it YOURSELF!!!
She will have the wind at her back!

190 If you can't accept that some people really, honestly felt Sarah Palin's shakiness on a lot of important federal policy stuff made us wonder about her competency for the highest, most powerful office in the world, what can I say? I can only assure you my feelings are real and not making some evil hidden agenda.

Obama was shaky and now he's just plain incompetent. 52 percent voted him in anyway. He might actually win again even if he runs the ship aground, the ship blows up and he shoots the survivors.

What this should tell you Ace says less about our hopes for Sarah Palin, but what a pitiful bunch of losers the GOP is left with.

I'm a small government conservative first. I only vote for Republicans because they're not Democrats. That reason is disappearing fast.

191 we don't have Sarah Palin to kick around anymore

192 I had no idea she even read my site.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 08:24 PM (gEsIJ)

Shit.  I didn't know you read your site.

193 Tomorrow, when Palin announces her candidacy for POTUS she will finish with "I hope Obama fails."

194 No, Ace, leaving you out of it it, what kills me is the absolute certainty that Goldberg and Krauthammer had that she wasn't preparing herself.  How could they be so damn certain?  Why didn't either of them exercise the slightest bit of caution before throwing the latest hand grenade?

That's what bugs me about the way she's been treated since the election.

And for God's sake, will you please stop throwing the RINO stuff in my face?  I HAVEN'T CALLED YOU A RINO!  I think you've been too critical too quickly, but I have not accused you of phising for cocktail party invites, so, please, give it a rest, at least when you're responding to me specifically.

195 Ace, I believe you are wrong. You tend to ignore items that cast doubt upon prior postings and you've so far ignored her statement and various posters repeating the same reasoning - that she was unable to do her job as governor with the constant abusive and frivolous lawsuits continually filed against her. Now, perhaps you might think of such a situation as "fun" or "easy as fuck to deal with", but for most human beings in the USA, the prospect of endless fucking lawsuits is a full-time goddamned nightmare.

And none, absolutely none of the rest of the "possible candidates" have had this level of sheer abuse measured as expenditure versus income & assets. For someone like Romney, let's assume that he'd have to deal with paying out over 10 million dollars in defense in two quarters. That's insane, but that's the level of harassment she's had to deal with.

She was prevented from doing her job by people who attacked her in order to make her life a living hell - because she was conservative, Christian, and therefore in their eyes a subhuman. She was forced out because she thought she should do her job and if she was unable, to hand it off to someone else rather than fuck it up due to personal ambition. Of course, if she was a typical urban/northeastern politician, she would never have been forced out. They view their positions as their due, not as their job.

You claim everyone is going to have to deal with this kind of abuse. No, that's not correct. No one previously has been attacked on a scale and to a degree that she has been. Now the Left knows they can abuse the courts and bankrupt anyone they see as a threat - but they already use this against businesses. They saw that her personal wealth was low enough to bankrupt her where someone like Romney or Pawlenty would require an effort a level of magnitude greater due to their bankrolls.

The Left did everything but use violence, this time. I doubt they'll hesitate if they find their next target more difficult to bankrupt. Because they are souless scum.

196 >>>Bull hockey. It's only been a few months. Could she have a few more days to study please? Maybe she could read off a teleprompter by then. This can't be your main reason, the logic doesnt hold up.

Well, whether it's been a few days or a few months, it's still true AT THIS MOMENT. If you want to discuss what might be the case in the future, fine.

But at this moment, Krauthammer was/is right.

Now, if that process were already underway, I'd assume that it was going to proceed to its inevitable fruition and I'd be chiller. But I don't see it underway. I see more of the same, only now, rather than making excuses for a would-be VICE president, I now am pressed into service to make exuces for an actual would-be PRESIDENT.

Well, that is upping the ante. Too rich for my blood.

Again, I think she can do all these things. But personally -- I do need her to do them. I cannot accept on faith that she'll be ready, one day.

197 Has anyone ever seen Ace comment on one of his postings this much ever?  What the fuck is going on here? 

198
She's got Beck, Rush, Tammy Bruce, Greta, Mark Levin, John Gibson, Mark Steyn, John Bolton and...

My first knee-jerk reaction was WTF?, why is she such a quitter, what's going on?

And then I heard Greta intimate something else is going on here and say, "Don't underestimate Sarah Palin."

Then I listened to her speech a few more times and it became clear that her announcement was not a whiny victim's speech, but a declaration of political war.

199 So, if she had stayed & been driven even further into debt, what would that have accomplished? She has a family to raise, & family comes first.

Oh, & screw John McCain & his advisers for what they did to her.

200 So maybe some of us have been too generous toward Palin, but I think too many others have been remarkably ungenerous, too quick to find the least flattering possibility when it comes to any move she's made.

And what do you get for all that?  You get co-opted by Andrew Sullivan who uses your words to gloat.

201 poop!

202 >>> How could they be so damn certain?

Absence of evidence is not, we are told, evidence of absence, but yeah, most of the time, it is.

She has a lot to talk about -- Obama and all his schemes. She has a megaphone. I just would expect -- and want -- and sort of demand -- that if she's really presidential material, she could start giving some reassurance on that front by giving presidential-level statements and speeches.


Re: RINO

I am sorry. I do not mean to accuse you. Understand that when I respond to you in particular, I am also responding to others, generally, unnamed.

I do not mean to say you said something you didn't. I'm sorry I implied that.

203 197 Has anyone ever seen Ace comment on one of his postings this much ever?  What the fuck is going on here? 

Posted by: BTMintheSTL at July 03, 2009 09:17 PM (kGDTD)

Ace is trying to convince himself that he's right.

204 Krauthammer tonight on Fox said that she is so young, she could run for president as late as 202something, and still be very viable.

There's a lot of good stuff she can do in the meantime. Ojala.

205 This applies equally to any hypoethetical future palin presidency, x 1000.

Actually, no.  The Alaskan anti-corruption laws (yeah, that Palin supported) that allow all these nuisance lawsuits.  POTUS very, very rarely has to deal with lawsuits while in office.

206

173... OBARFA! best one maybe so far! ROFLMFAO!

 

207 Ace posted alot on his Limbaugh bashing thread as well.

208 >>>Has anyone ever seen Ace comment on one of his postings this much ever?

Yes, I do whenever I am on the "wrong side" of consensus conservative opinion, partly defensively, and partly because I think it's better to be right than popular.

209
180:

Of course many women would (and did) vote for her. But I think, based on what is admittedly anecdotal non-evidence, that the majority of women would not. And yeah, I think her hotness is the main turnoff. Kathleen Parker alone convinced me of that.

210 Ace, who do you want us to support for the GOP now? How will the fact that they stayed in their job overcome their dullness, that they're the party of old white men and bitter clingers. How will that overcome their squishiness, since nobody will follow a leader who just wants to be liked by the Beltway?

211 I'll admit, it's not often I've seen you display quite this level of passion, Ace.

212 >>>Ace is trying to convince himself that he's right.

I'm not the one postulating counterintuitive theories about how quitting office actually gives people GREATER confidence in one's ability to perform in an even higher and more pressure-filled office.

213

Well, #185, we know what TEARS do to politicians, don't we?

Remember Pat Schroeder?  Remember senator Muskie?  If you can't control the water works, you don't stand much of a chance for the presidency.

214
Yes, I do whenever I am on the "wrong side" of consensus conservative opinion, partly defensively, and partly because I don't want to get into Twitter flame wars with Allah think it's better to be right than popular.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 09:21 PM

FIFY

215 I think we are in the middle of a major paradigm shift in American politics.

Something very big happened today.

216 poopy!

217 If this is actually a political move, as opposed to a personal or scandal-driven one, there's one angle that makes sense.

The "teabagging" movement to date hasn't been particularly well-organized and hasn't had a charismatic leader.  Soon-to-be ex-Gov. Palin certainly has charisma in spades.  We've already been screwed over to the tune of multiple trillion dollars by TARP, the stimulus, and the left-over '08 budget bullshit.  And we have the job-killing AGW legislation and the nationalization of health care staring us in the face with a heavily Dem-controlled legislature.  Getting out in front on these issues would certainly play well with the 48% and the increasingly disillusioned "sane" part of the 52%. 

If this is a move to get out in front of the Democratic juggernaut that's bound and determined to turn our country into another European socialist state, and she's standing in the breach, I don't think the "quitter" label will stick at all.

We'll have to wait and see what happens, of course.

218 Has anyone ever seen Ace comment on one of his postings this much ever? 

Yes. About "I hope he fails."

219 Just joshing you Ace, stick to your guns, that's why all we morons come here, for your hard hitting analysis.  Oh, and accidental lesbian pron links, which have been few and far between lately.

220 "I think it's better to be right than popular"

Maybe Sarah feels the same way, Ace.

221 Remember Pat Schroeder?  Remember senator Muskie?  If you can't control the water works, you don't stand much of a chance for the presidency.

Yeh, it shot the shit out of my chances

222

about how quitting office actually gives people GREATER confidence in one's ability to perform...

How about simply greater time to raise big money?

223 I can't believe what these bloggers are saying about her.  We have an idiot spending us into oblivion and you guys are saying oh my she's "erratic", she's a "quitter" and on and on.  After Obama all bets are off.  She's been called a slut, whore, retard, dumb, and any curse word you can think of and you think she's "erratic".  Ha ha ha ha, she went to the troops and they talked her into fighting for them!  No one is fighting for our troops!  When was the last time you heard Mitt talk about the troops, I can't  think of any time either.  The so called "rules" are out after Obama, you go Sarah what ever you do!  

224 ^{"I do not mean to say you said something you didn't. I'm sorry I implied that."}

Yeah, yeah, I know.  It should have been obvious.  I'm a little defensive today.  Sorry.

225 Also, political conventional wisdom isn't always right. Just a few people who weren't supposed to be nominated or win but did: John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, (even, dare I say it,) Barack Obama.

The boundaries of political convention are not fixed & are constantly in flux. So, while this may have killed another politician's career in the past, I'm not so sure about this time--our current Prez & his idiot VP are proof of that.

226 I think it's better to be right than popular.

Silly boy.

227
Ace, you watched the debate. You watched her speak at the convention.

Palin's performance at the debate was good-to-very good. Palin's speech at the convention was superb. She's got the chops. Oh and if I recall correctly, she had a teleprompter malfunction and was forced to go off the cuff at the end of the speech.

228 If Palin had stayed on as Governor of Alaska the State of Alaska would have suffered for no reason except to protect the One.

Palin knew she had no right to make others suffer so that she could look strong in the face of abuse.

She made the smart move of relieving her State and switching her posture from defense to offense.

It is easy to see.

229 Ace is defeatist, he expects someone to put themselves and their ambition before their duty and their family. He requires that someone grin while being bankrupted by a thousand lawsuits and spend all their time NOT doing their job while in their position, no matter what the detriment to the people, in order to avoid looking like a "quitter".

230 Sarah didn't quit.  You did.

231 >>>Ace, I believe you are wrong. You tend to ignore items that cast doubt upon prior postings and you've so far ignored her statement and various posters repeating the same reasoning - that she was unable to do her job as governor with the constant abusive and frivolous lawsuits continually filed against her.

Prior postings? I don't know what you mean. About Palin? I've been pretty supportive, mostly. But I recently hit a wall where I said to myself, "Either she get serious or I stop making excuses for her."

Incidentally, I loved her for most of the campaign. I wasn't faking. Went bananas when McCain picked her.

But I made a lot of excuses for her sometimes shaky performance. I do not want to have to make excuses for a president. Sue me. I've had enough of that with GW BUsh.

Ee: The reasons I ignore.

I do not passively ignore them. I actively reject them as rubbish.

232 But now she can get all of that federal experience that you said she needs.  She couldn't have done that as Alaska's governor.

They'll take a poll.  Alaskans will overwhelmingly support her decision to resign.  So why should we care?

233 >>>Sarah didn't quit. You did.

I'm pretty sure she did quit, actually.

234 I'm just so tired of the politics of personality. It's turned into junior high school, on both sides.

Maybe the absurdity of all this excess can swing the pendulum back to the politics of, well, policy.

I don't care who politicians are nearly as much as I care what they do. I'd prefer a competent public servant to a Personal Savior any day.

235
Yes. About "I hope he fails."

And TARP.

And in the post about the girl with the potty mouth and the sick dad and the 911 call and the jerk cop.

236 A good leader quits leading for the good of those she's leading.

Okay.

It's Backwards Day.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 08:59 PM (gEsIJ)

Oh, man I love Backwards Day.  Well, except for when I poop..

237 After finally seeing her speech I think it's a combination of all the things she spoke of. The combination of lame duck status and the frivolous ethics suits limit her effectiveness as Governor. Add to this the unrelenting attacks on her and her family and I can understand why she would think that staying is outweighed by getting away from that assault. I don't believe she is thinking at all about a future political career at this time - her concern for her family is too immediate. She figures screw it, I'm not going anywhere, if there is a place for me in national politics 3 or more years down the line, so be it. Meanwhile she will be able to lob big rhetorical bombs at the marxist in chief from the sidelines. She will always make news and she will always have a base.

238

She made it clear: she couldn't function as a governor anymore without being bogged down in stupid lawsuits.

Follow the money!  She couldn't afford to stay in office with all the Soros/Obama generated lawsuits.  Palin said these suits cost her family $500,000.  This is why the country is heading towards revolution.  We have a president who acts like a third world banana republic thug.

239 In Ace's defense (not that he needs any), he's been a supporter of the VPILF since before she was the VPILF, in fact I think I may have first learned about her here months before McCain choose her.  So, to lump Ace in the same category as Frum or the other nutless jackasses who pretend to be "conservatives" is just plain wrong.  Maybe he's right and maybe he's wrong, but even the most ardent Palin supporter must see that this is a kick in the gut.  She might be able to come back from this, but its going to be an uphill challenge, what's wrong with recognizing that.

240

#213...

Allow me introduce you to Presidents Bush and Bush.

241 How soon would she have to move to California to run for Governor there? I see an opportunity there, if only it was legally possible.

242 I'm not the one postulating counterintuitive theories about how quitting office actually gives people GREATER confidence in one's ability to perform in an even higher and more pressure-filled office.

I don't think too many people are arguing that. The problem is your leap from "this is damaging" to "she is finished." She has 3 years to overcome this if she wants to run, and everyone she runs against is going to have baggage too.

243

185 She's close to tears, and visibly distraught- it looks like the hate and poison has got to her. She's also telling the truth, as far as I can tell - it may not that complicated.

Really?  I thought she looked positively giddy.  She rattled off all of her accomplishments for two years' time, has a conservative, competent guy to succeed her (who will be able to run as an entrenched incumbent), has PAC numbers (to be revealed this month) that most speculate will make the GOP kiss her ring if they want her help.  (A Hillary blog reported a $50,000 donation came into Team Sarah immediately following her speech.)

Anyone recall last December when Saxby Chambliss was predicted to be within a hair's breadth in election results?

Palin showed up to campaign for him (after dismal campaign events featuring Willard, McShame and the Huckster) and drew thousands.  Ole Saxby won by 14%

"We can't spare this woman; she fights!"

 

244 All this is not an attack on Palin, I see her as an incredible person with average background and a little above average intelligence, and INCREDIBLE guts and perseverance, not to mention looks and the all American frontier style life.

WOW .. what a great person .. then to rise up and take on political forces as she did, then all the way to the national level where it took 1000 hounds from hell to wear her down. 

And still she will continue to be awesome ... but that does not make her the President that conservatives will need to run. 

The left can run a Barry that will never be vetted, but praised by Oprah and all MSM ... but conservatives need a real presidential candidate ... then the conservative majority will elect her/him. 

If McCain had really wanted to win, it may indeed be he would have considered  Noonan's other suggestions.  But Palin made a most heroic effort, throwing all she had into the fray ... THAT has to be admired, and gives us all hope.

245
But I recently hit a wall where I said to myself, "Either she get serious or I stop making excuses for her."

Me too. And I think that's what she's doing. We'll know in the coming weeks/months.

246

Boy, that Palin rocks the house.  Every other politician inspires a yawn and possibly slouching toward the keyboard someday.  Palin?  White-knuckled, rapid-fire posting.  She draws people's interest.

Speaking of which, I mentioned people love her like crazy.  I don't know about this 8% stuff, but I do know she fills venues, which leads me to believe some of the data or the use of the data might be wrong.  Hell, Democrat women crossover for Palin in what appears to be large numbers, especially since Hillary's treatment. 

I also know what someone already mentioned upthread, that Reagan and Bush didn't poll that well that far ahead of their respective elections. 

247 The Britney Spears of politics.

248 Jim, I'm having a hard time with this "follow the money" argument.  If she stuck it out for another 18 months the money would still be there, so I'm having a hard time as to why that was a motivating factor for her to get out now, it's a non sequitur for me.

249 I'm pretty sure she did quit, actually.
Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 09:27 PM (gEsIJ)

You know, she actually never said resign, she said "I’ve determined it’s best to transfer the authority of governor to Lieutenant Governor Parnell;"

Is it possible she stays Governor and Parnell becomes and acting Governor of some sort? Or did she just not want to use the word 'resign?

250 >>>Ace, who do you want us to support for the GOP now? How will the fact that they stayed in their job overcome their dullness, that they're the party of old white men and bitter clingers. How will that overcome their squishiness, since nobody will follow a leader who just wants to be liked by the Beltway?

Again, you seem to be implying that in some way Palin's detractors (and apparently I now join frum and noonan) are responsible for HER decisions and HER actions, so you're asking rhetorical questions of me along the lines of "Well you got what you wanted; what now, smart guy?"

1) This isn't what I wanted.

2) This is something Palin did. If you feel angry that she has left the field, blame her, not me.

I am disappointed about it myself. But I'm not directing that disappointment at other people and suggesting maybe they're really the ones to blame because they just didn't support Palin hard enough and somehow she got wind of that.

251

@240

Fine, except they had already WON the election first.

252 Boy, all yew smart peepl shur got it all figerd out (except for that usesless shitstain with the initials PS TonpoAoSHQ who can't figure out whether to pick his/her nose or scratch his/her butt).  Shur is fun to spekalate, but whyn't we wait a fyu dayz until we has mor infurmashun? 

253 Re: bankrupted: didn't she have a legal defense fund?  Didn't you all contribute to it?

Re: the rest of it.  Someone who can't take the heat when the going gets tough is entitled to retire to a private life.  And not come back.

I supported her selection, excused her "iffy" interview performances, and was then willing to continue to believe in her after the election.  And then she quit, under circumstances that Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd would laugh off as "just funnin'".  How do I know, now, that she won't pull the same stunt in 2, 4, 6, 8, or 12 years?  Answer:  I just don't.

As far as I am concerned, she is done.  Buh bye, thanks for playing.  Don Pardo will tell you about some lovely parting gifts we have for you on your way out. the door.

254

"If McCain had really wanted to win, it may indeed be he would have considered  Noonan's other suggestions.  But Palin made a most heroic effort, throwing all she had into the fray ... THAT has to be admired, and gives us all hope."

I don't think so.  I think it was a terrible mistake for her to take McCain's bait. 

255 OK, here's the bottom line.  The anti-Palin forces on the left are evil.  Pure evil.

I don't want to be a part of aiding or abetting them in any way.

256

"But, for better or worse, that is what the job of president (or governor, or vice president entails), and if she's just not willing to put up with this crap anymore -- well, that is completely understandable, but it also is a decision that would seem to disqualify her from office, at least in the near term."

Naw, fuck that.

257 If you panty waists want a different candidate, who do you have that has, or will, call Obama a Socialist?  Any fighters in the bunch?

258

>>Yes, I do whenever I am on the "wrong side" of consensus conservative opinion, partly defensively, and partly because I think it's better to be right than popular

You've been wrong and unpopular on both issues.

259 Take her at her word for her reasons for doing this. And she will never be out of the game. She is young.

260 89 Face it, Palin wasn't all that.  Don't get me wrong.  I've always been extremely sympathetic towards her, and for what she stands for.  And I DESPISE the media for what they did to her family.  But she's weird too.  Her bizarre cadence, the way she seems to ramble on.  Her bumpersticker answers.  I just don't think she is presidential material.  I'm horrified by what they did to her, but at the same time I don't see this as a great loss to our comeback.  I think just about anybody will be able to take Obama in 2012.
I agree with all that, except the last sentence. Obama is a good politician, has the media solidly behind him, and probably will have an improving economy to boast about by 2012.   Palin has been greatly oversold and probably was not electable even under the best conditions. I find her interesting and likable, but I'm not convinced she is now or ever will be prepared to be the leader of the free world.

261

>>Again, you seem to be implying that in some way Palin's detractors (and apparently I now join frum and noonan) are responsible for HER decisions and HER actions

Shoot your allies on the back and see how long they have the will to fight.

262 I'm about resigned to thinking that the best hope for the USA lies in a meteor smacking into DC.

The GOP will try to sell us some pasty wonk road kill for 2012, someone the DemSM will love because he'll keep the conservatives home and maybe become the first candidate to lose all 50 states.

Maybe Sarah is done as a candidate Ace, time will tell. Human nature is rather quirky and we're not getting any saner.

Whatever, I'm going to make it my mission in life to avenge her political downfall by doing whatever I can to take down as many of her enemies as I can. Their misery is going to be my mission.

263 In re: Ace's posting so much in this thread:  Ace, I've seen you do this before, and the underlying cause is always the same:  you fucking hate "magical thinking".  I understand that.  People just wish and wish and wish and wish and everything will be OK.  My take: she said "Fuck it.  I've got overpaid gaptoothed fucks making jokes about raping my daughter.  I've got better things to do."  I tend to think she may be back, and she certainly has the political instincts to win the White House.  But everybody quit clinging [bitterly] to the idea of Palin as a GOP Obamassiah. She's not. Let's move forward, for crap sake. 

264 Sauropod, don't count those improving economy chickens before they hatch.  I am not at all confident that the economy will be improving at all by 2012.

265

"and partly because I think it's better to be right than popular."  -Ace

Ace, you do know this line was in her speech, don't you?   

I think she's "in your melon" (as Dennis Miller would say).  Miller and Andrew Breitbart mention her a lot;  Dick Morris has always got something positive to say about her and there's a lot of speculation that he's advising her behind the scenes, judging from his comments on BOR.

266 255 OK, here's the bottom line.  The anti-Palin forces on the left are evil.  Pure evil.
I don't want to be a part of aiding or abetting them in any way.

+1 to that, Amishdude.

267 "...maybe become the first candidate to lose all 50 states."

Actually, I did that: lost 49 in 1984 and then lost Minnesota when I stepped in to run in place of Wellstone.

268 264 Sauropod, don't count those improving economy chickens before they hatch.  I am not at all confident that the economy will be improving at all by 2012.

I think none of the following numbers will be better than 2006 numbers and probably worse than 2008: unemployment, economic growth, the Dow, and especially inflation.

269 I just think it's ridiculous to equate the reasons she had as being inconsequential. Ace basically said that it was okay for her to be under constant attack for the next two years leaving her bankrupt and the State of Alaska without a governor just so she could avoid being called a "quitter".

That's dumb.

And it does not take into account the magnitude of the attacks and the lawsuits on her. Like I said, you would have to make Romney pay out over $10 million in less than 6 months to equal the magnitude of the effect. NO ONE can face penury and the inimical hate from the left towards family and remain unaffected.

I would think anyone who would react like Ace requires in this situation would be a soulless, self-promoting megalomaniac like Obama or Clinton. And thanks, but I'd rather vote for an American.

270
Is it possible she stays Governor and Parnell becomes and acting Governor of some sort? Or did she just not want to use the word 'resign?

Posted by: DrewM. at July 03, 2009 09:32 PM (iTt2X)

I think she'll step away from the title of governorship... but from here speech, I do think there is a possiblity she'll Govern by proxy via Parnell. 

271
I don't blame Ace for being skeptical and feeling let down.

I'm burnt out on all the Palin drama myself. I'm sick of the bullshit about Bristol, Levi, Levi's mother, Todd and his stupid snowmobiles, and troopergate, and the other family bullshit, etc.

But Sarah is a good woman and deserves our support. She paid a heavy price standing up for her principles (which just so happen to be our principles, too). Her little kids were dragged through the mud and nationally humiliated.

We owe her. I'm sticking with Sarah.

272 "...maybe become the first candidate to lose all 50 states."

Actually, I did that: lost 49 in 1984 and then lost Minnesota when I stepped in to run in place of Wellstone.

Posted by: Fritz Mondale at July 03, 2009 09:40 PM (jNE9Q)

Back o' the line, Scandi.

273 you would have to make Romney pay out over $10 million in less than 6 months to equal the magnitude of the effect

Heh, that happened less than a year ago!

274 Nixon and I join in Marion Barry's dissent.

275

 You guys ever hear of 'shoot the hostage'? Maybe there is some of that behind Sarah's decision.

276 Sorry...  Heh, that happened less than a year a year and a half ago! 

I'm still holding out hope the last nine months were a dream sequence, and we'll be back to the main storyline soon...

277

 but conservatives need a real presidential candidate ...

Um, like Willard, wizard of the gawdawful Romneycare?  Huckster?  Maybe McLame again?  I think the perpetually tan Charlie Crist is hinting at a run.

278

Do you think for a minute that if Palin was like all the politicians who have sold us out; Media or Libs would have bothered to brutally savage every aspect of her life and family?

<b>Palin will kick ass...</b>  Her interest in status-quo proves to be less important than putting the screws on the Media & Chicago Machine.  And with a new front-line... They may not know what hit them...

Ace might be correct about her political future... But then, isn't giving up your chance to hold future office, for the sake of calling out Tyranny; what you know of our early beginnings...

Independence day brings to mind our responsibility to stand up for our Nation...  Think about that when you hear Obama's eloquent "Freedom" speech; while he flips-off the basic foundations of Freedom our Nation...

...And the Freedom of our neighbors!

And, #189 ...Well said...

 

279 Whoever advised Palin that resigning the governorship was a great way to kick off her POTUS campaign must have been the same savvy political guru that advised McCain to "temporarily suspend" his campaign.

This has been a bizarre 12 months for the Republican Party, and a sad one for the American nation. Is there NO serious conservative politician on the national scene? Is the "Love Gov" really the best we can do anymore??

280 #275

Yeah, but if Sarah's taking Keanu's advice, I don't want her anywhere near a political office...

/I keed, I keed.

281 @21 - bing, kdabear wins the huge fucking panda.

282

So far 6 months into 2009, the bullshit ethics complaints have cost Sarah $500,000.

She had 18 more months to go...so 6 goes into 18 3 times...3 x $500,000 = $1,500,000

You gonna pay for that?  If you knew you were going to be on the hook for almost 2 million dollars because of Libtard dirty tricks, are you gonna just suck it up and hope for the best?

You love being Governor but 80% of your time and office's time is being spent fighting the bullshit ethics complaints. 

Fuck it, bail. 

It sucks that fucked up tactic worked, but...it did.  I look forward to seeing where she goes from here.

283 >>>I just think it's ridiculous to equate the reasons she had as being inconsequential. Ace basically said that it was okay for her to be under constant attack for the next two years leaving her bankrupt and the State of Alaska without a governor just so she could avoid being called a "quitter".


I do not consider these reasons inconsequential. I consider them incompatible with an intent to seek higher ofice.

There is a difference.

In human terms, I understand: As Rocky said in Rocky III, as he gave up, "I don't want this no more. I don't need this no more."

I think she had a Rocky III moment. This is understandable. She is only human. There are limits to her endurance. Further, she could have a FANTASTIC life without all the viciousness of politics.

I do not blame her for choosing that. It takes an abnormal person to put up with this crap.

But that abnormal aspect, the ability to put up with this crap just to attain and hold high political office, is a prerequsite for office.

284 Is the "Love Gov" really the best we can do anymore??

Posted by: CoolCzech at July 03, 2009 09:46 PM (teBup)

No.  No he's not.  Trust me.

285 I DIDN'T FUCKING MAKE HER RESIGN AND NEITHER DID CHARLES FUCKING KRAUTHAMMER.

I hate to break this to you Ace, but Charles Fucking Krauthammer is wrong now and then. He sits in the Beltway Bubble and while he is brilliant, he's not out here where the bombed out areas are. Same goes for Jonah Fucking Goldberg.

You cited data that Sarah was at 42 percent and according to CK's infinite wisdom and flowcharts could not possibly make up that 8 percent.

The other Road Kill out there isn't at 50 either, and inspire no passion to get those polled to donate money or get out and vote.

I'm pissed because we're totally screwed. Maybe CK and JG think the Road Kill Boys are swell guys, but nobody's going to shake out of apathy to go and vote for them.

286 "Normal people don't quit their jobs."

Uh, WTF? Yes, they do. All the time. Normal people even quit contracted jobs, and take whatever the penalties are. All the time. For many reasons, all quite legitimate and not at all indicating that they are therefore "quitters." For example, if the job has become impossible to perform efficiently due to sexual harassment. And I have no doubt that if Sarah Palin wasn't a Republican governor who had had the audacity to join a campaign on the side against our Destined Magical Negro Lord and Master, what has been done to her ever since would well come under the rubric of "sexual harassment." 99% of the attacks on her are about some form of her femininity -- her motherhood, her dress sense, the way she talks, etc. -- and would have gotten anyone in a business environment doing that to a colleague fired in jig time.

All this is not to say that I have any idea one way or the other if she is going to run for president, or whether, if she does, that that would be a good idea. What I'm primarily reacting to is this bizarre idea that she should have "stuck out" a political office to the bitter end as if it was some sort of hot dog eating contest. If being constantly attacked in the most vile terms -- and having her family attacked on top of that -- while also fending off a constant storm of petty yet expensive lawsuits was keeping her from being an effective governor, then she was right to quit before it got any worse. It wasn't like she was getting any help from anyone who had real political power. McCain and the Republicans have apparently abandoned her, and we know what a school of sharks the Democrats are. We bloggers can talk about how much we love her until we are blue in the face, but I see no indication that we are making a dent in the shell of smug that surrounds the Obama administration, the DemSM, and the rest of the decadent crew that runs this country. And in the face of that if she decides not to run for office ever -- if she decides just to join the grassroots conservative movement as a spokesperson, like Phyllis Schlafly or someone, or if she just quits public life entirely to be a wife and mother -- maybe that will be better than seeing someone some of us like and admire trashed by the left because leftists are soulless creeps and by the right because they are impossible to please.

You know, I have another quote from Mencken: "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." I have the feeling that's what we're going to get instead of Sarah Palin -- and it's not her fault, it's ours.

287 Ace, your somewhat cold disappointment in Palin is unusually lacking in compassion. What's going on?

288 For those of you who think that women won't vote for her because she's a beautiful woman, you are DEAD WRONG! Any woman who is confident in herself would not be threatened by Sara. On the contrary!
For those of us (mothers) who know what it's like to 'DO IT ALL!'..as in work and raise a family, Sara ROCKS!
She's the real deal, the new American Feminist!
I applaud her beauty...and I'm a woman!
There's POWER in being a beautiful woman.

289 Would any of you believe my affair and public meltdown is a brilliant political maneuver to jump start my presidential campaign?

Seriously, would you? Cause you know, I could maybe focus group it, work up some ads, the usual.

What do you say?

Or I could just tell you about my deep, deep love for my wife soul mate.

290 Maybe its too early to speculate, but who else is there out there that can realistically challenge Obama?  All of the candidates from 2008 are pretty lame, Jindal has been unimpressive, Sanford is gone, who else is out there.  Carter gave us Reagan, the only problem now is that I can't think of a single GOP who can step in and fill that role now. I don't know if Palin could have, but I think she had the best shot.  I'm worried.

291 It's time to go to war. The first battle that must be won is to take back control of the Republican party because I don't believe that a third party is the answer. I love the fact that Limbaugh and Levin have been carrying the water, but the truth is that they're radio guys. They can talk but they can't act. A politician is needed to get this mess straightened out. This is where I hope Sarah has set her sights and I am hoping that her resignation is the opening salvo in the campaign against the establishment Republicans. I'd love to see her use SarahPAC to support actual conservative candidates in the primaries next year, then go out on the campaign trail and stump for them. She can raise a ton of money and motivate the base like no one else.

I love the woman but I confess to having doubts about her ability to be elected It may be that her role in this thing is to build the conservative party. Others have already said that perhaps she will serve the same function as Goldwater: to build the movement that will utimately put actual conservatives back in office. And in reading the transcript from her announcement today, it sounds as if this might be what she has in mind.As Glenn Beck has said recently, she attracts so much vitriol from Democrats and establishment Republicans because she's the one politician who can destroy the Matrix. She doesn't come from within the system and she doesn't care about going along to get along.

Whatever she chooses to do, she'll have my support.

292
And then Apollo said, "There is no tomorrow!"

She's taking her shot to make a difference...today. I sense a genuine concern from her over the direction of this country.

_{btw, I can go all night with a movie quote-off}

293 Or I could just tell you about my deep, deep love for my wife soul mate mates soles.

FIFY.

294
And I'll make shit up, too.

Brian Dennehy quotes, anyone?

295

Ace, think MUCH further outside the usual political parameters.

She is truly the mighty Sarah. I can't wait to watch her moves in the next couple of years.

296 >>> you fucking hate "magical thinking". I understand that. People just wish and wish and wish and wish and everything will be OK. My take: she said "Fuck it. I've got overpaid gaptoothed fucks making jokes about raping my daughter. I've got better things to do."

Yeah, and it's partly defensive too, because people start with the "no more reading you, RINO" crap if I don't join in with magical thinking.

And yeah, I think she just decided that higher office wasn't as important to her as her family and personal happiness -- which I completely understand.

But -- it does mean she doesn't have a critical part o a would-be president, namely, shameless ambition and willingness to sacrfice everything for that.

she may be more normal for lacking that, but without it, she's not going to be president.

297 Ask Hamas. They got it sized up about right. The one is the black guy in Blazing Saddles us scared white guys pinned the badge onto when the bad jihadis started heading into town.

298 Brian Dennehy quotes, anyone?

It's my understanding he'll be playing Palin in the movie. He's quite versatile and apparently rather fetching in a skirt and pumps.

299

Some of you need a serious reality check.  I liked Palin too, but let's not pretend her resignation did anything but hurt destroy any near-term political ambitions she might have had.

Palin's resignation was bizarre- when was the last time a governor resigned for reasons other than scandal or election to higher office?  The whole "lame duck" excuse made no sense at all.

If she resigned because of the toll it was taking on her family as one of her reasons suggested, then fine.  But it also eliminates any possibility of her running in 2012, and possibly ever.  It wouldn't get any easier as President.

Ditto if it was because she was too distracted by the bullshit ethics complaints.  If she can't deal with that, can voters really be expected to trust her with the distractions involved in being the most powerful person on the planet?  If it was a matter of money, why not just go with that and stick with it?

Sorry if reality sucks, but Ed Morrisey, Allahpundit, Ace or anyone else stating the blatantly fucking obvious doesn't make absurd fantasies of a successful Palin run in 2012 any more or less likely.

300 Gebeezus, it just hit me how fucked we are.  Sanford won't resign and was being pimped by some as "The Future of the GOP" and Sarah has resigned and has been attacked and sniped at by the GOP power brokers since she stepped into the governorship. 

Fab. U. Fucking. Lous.

301 Comservatives4Palin. WTF? I had to register with Google to post a comment. Are they totally clueless? Google is the biggest supporter of Obama and all they do is harvest names and emails.

They had too many troll shitting in the comments.  it was easier that way to cut back on the troll spam.

They will be moving to Wordpress soon.

302 This is where I hope Sarah has set her sights and I am hoping that her resignation is the opening salvo in the campaign against the establishment Republicans. I'd love to see her use SarahPAC to support actual conservative candidates in the primaries next year, then go out on the campaign trail and stump for them. She can raise a ton of money and motivate the base like no one else.

Again, magical thinking.  Could she rise again?  Sure.  Will she?  I'm selling short.

303 >>>Ace, think MUCH further outside the usual political parameters.

No, think more within them. You are saying that this is such a CRAZY-ASS move there MUST be some super tractical secret advantage.

Well, no. There's a simpler explanation: SHe's written off elective politics.

304

It boggles the mind that  in a country of 300,000,000 people, we can't find more, better people willing to run for office.

When the recent presidential campaign began, some 17 years ago, my first thought was 'is this the best we have? These guys?' I am afraid it shall ever be thus.

Reagan was an aberration. McCain and Obama are the norm.

Sarah was a meteor. Burned brightly, but gone too quick. Ephemeral. She would have made a smokin' hot Prez, though.

We are, and remain as always, fucked.

 

305 290 Maybe its too early to speculate, but who else is there out there that can realistically challenge Obama?  All of the candidates from 2008 are pretty lame, Jindal has been unimpressive, Sanford is gone, who else is out there.  Carter gave us Reagan, the only problem now is that I can't think of a single GOP who can step in and fill that role now. I don't know if Palin could have, but I think she had the best shot.  I'm worried.


You should be very worried. The Political Class GOP doesn't have the first clue as to what we want out here, they listen to each other at dinner parties and decide their self-evident brilliance and importance on the social pecking order makes them qualified to know what we want. Capt Ed and Powerline will tell us how wonderful Pasty Pawlenty is, while forgetting that he shit the bed on the Coleman-Franken recount.

Unless some total unknown pops up between now and then, the Road Kill Boys are the usual suspects. There's no Reagan Resurrected in there.

We Are Screwed.

306

"But that abnormal aspect, the ability to put up with this crap just to attain and hold high political office, is a prerequsite for office."

Is holding office more important than getting things done while in office? The latter depends upon the former, but is merely doing the former good enough?  

307 It boggles the mind that  in a country of 300,000,000 people, we can't find more, better people willing to run for office.

Exhibit A: The destruction of the Palin family.

308 Thanks for the pick-me-up kbdabear.

309 @299: you're totally right. Palin self-immolated today. She's an instant non-factor. I'll miss her, but damn - she really let me down badly.

I really DO have to stop following the news, even this blog maybe. It's just too depressing - you never know what the next bizarre Republican move will be.

310 There's also a reason she did this the day before the 4th of July!
Independence Day!!!!
Time to take back the country!

311 Well, no. There's a simpler explanation: SHe's written off elective politics.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 09:55 PM (gEsIJ)

Couldn't have said it better.

312 I don't buy the scandal claims. Democrat politicians do much worse -- literally sleeping with executives in the industries they're supposed to be regulating, for example! -- and nobody gives a rat's ass.

Unless, of course, it's a politically motivated witch hunt. Which it very well could be. In which case, well, there comes a time when good men must spit on their hands, hoist the black flag, etc.

313 But that abnormal aspect, the ability to put up with this crap just to attain and hold high political office, is a prerequsite for office.

Bullshit. The Prerequisite for the office of the Presidency of the US is to be 35 and native-born. Anything else is just bullshit added on by processes and scum that are out to undermine the Constitution. Frivolous lawsuits on the magnitude she endured are unethical and in many cases illegal. .
Having to put up with criminals and psychopaths attacking you is not required to be a President. It is instead the qualities one must seek in becoming a prison guard, not a President.

Sorry, you shouldn't give in to the actions and tactics of the Scum Left by airily stating, "oh well, just put up with it - it is what is required, dontcha know?".
One might say that by not protesting the pollution and warping of our Constitutional system by such tactics, one is being a quitter. You know, giving up. You shouldn't be a fucking quitter, Ace.

314

Ace - what's wrong with you ?  Is it because she is a woman ?  Shame on you.  You sound like those idiots on twitter twittering away about how happy they are that she has resign and that they hope she will never be seen again.  Palin is the best that has happen to your republican party and instead of  being a supporter of this strong woman, you want to cast doubts ?   Shame.

 

315
She's written off elective politics.

You mean intentionally, or by the unintended results of her resignation? In other words, are you saying she knows she's out and today's announcement was just her crazy way of saying it?

If yes, that doesn't make sense to me. You're making the assumption that she truly can't handle the pressure/bullshit anymore. I don't buy it because it seems like it would be kinda easy just to lay low and ride out the rest of her term.

I mean, if she's decided she's done with politics, why not just coast through until the end of the term and then walk away?

316 >>> Ace, your somewhat cold disappointment in Palin is unusually lacking in compassion.

I am compassionate; you guys are just ignoring the parts where I say "I completely understand this in human terms."

Besides, I am selfish as anyone is. When I feel attacked the first beneficiary of my compassion is myself.

I actually love Sarah Palin. I was just talking with steve_in_hb yesterday about her, in a very positive way.

but this is, to me, a kiss off of politics, at least short to mid term, and a lot of people don't seem willing to give up on the hope o Palin '12, so they're just making up weird rationales of how this proves she's running for president.

I'm going to stop now because it really doesn't matter. Time will tell as it always does.

As I have noted on several occasions, people get angry when they are certain of something they cannot prove and other people are meanwhile certain of the opposite, which they also cannot prove. Proof being absent on both sides, emotion rushes in to fill the void.

If she runs for president, fine. I've been wrong before. And if somehow quitting an executive position she was just elected to makes her perceived as a better candidate for another executive position, fine too.

I don't wish her ill.

317 Actually, I am totally against the current idea that you have to have "shameless ambition and willingness to sacrfice (sic) everything" to run for president. That's just a sign of our decadence and how we have fallen away from the early days of the nation. George Washington, for example, accepted the presidency with the utmost reluctance, taking the office only out of his sense of duty. Yeah I know, "duty" is such an icky, restricting word. We've replaced it with fun stuff like ambition and power. And where has that gotten us -- having to listen to people tell a mother she should have aborted her youngest child because he was imperfect, and that she should just sit back and take some senile tv hack joking about her 14 year old daughter being raped, which I doubt even the Romans at their most depraved would have allowed without spilling some blood.

Expecting candidates for president to have no lives or interests but running for president got us our current president. Heck, it almost saddled us with Al Gore, who was groomed from infancy to be president and gave me the creeps the way Caligula must have affected anyone near him who knew he wasn't the cute "little boots" guy anymore. Fortunately we got Bush, who always gave the impression that he had a life beyond the presidency. That drove lots of people crazy, including people on the right, but that's what we need -- not someone who is obsessed with power and winning.

318 Posted by: fromCanada at July 03, 2009 10:01 PM (OYdLa)

I, too, am a concerned Christian Conservative.  Have you an address where I might write to request your newsletter?

319

Herr Morgenholz

300M people should be able to come up with more choices, even as shitty as the working conditions are. There's got to be more bright, ambitious, thick-skinned, hard-nosed, trustworthy people in a population this large, that we have to choose from at the moment. That said, I see no one on the GOP side right now that could get me to send him or her a single fuckin yankee dollar. This is sad. Everything American is being dumbed down. Idiocracy could happen...

320 She did say, didn't she, that she asked the whole family and they all agreed with this?

Now you can believe that this is the usual prattle that politicians honk out just before a scandal, but I take it at face value given the history of attacks.

Not that more "scandal" is not coming, indeed I fully believe more accusations are on the way, with even less merit than the earlier ones.  Still, the legal hole will get deeper and we all know the first rule of holes.

And I'm sitting here thinking what I would do with a half million in legal bills, and rising.  It may be that Alaska does not allow, or cannot support, a legal defense fund of this size.  I don't know.

But I just might decide to stop digging and give some $ 25 grand speeches just to balance the books.

321 Ace, you need to break away from Allah and Hotair RIGHT NOW!  The dude is poisoning your mind and making it tough for you to think clearly,

For the sake of your own blog, STOP pukin' Allah back at us.  He is wrong on every damn thing (and in Romney's pocket). Don't listen to him. Listen to us.

322 Nixon 1962.

Nixon 1968.

Palin is now free to maneuver.

Some guys can't handle a gal that doesn't act as expected.

323 I am kind of tired of anyone who is critical of Sarah in any way is labeled a sexist by certain segments.  Ace is not a sexist, this has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman.  Us morons love the 'Cuda. 

324

Posted by: Jones at July 03, 2009 10:04 PM (KOkrW)

You're right, of course.  To me, you're a pseudonym on a moron blog, and I would support you very quickly over the current crop of fucknozzles and miscreants likely to run.  But would you do it?  Would you put up with rape jokes about your daughter?  Tingles up Chrissy Matthews leg?  Being interbiewed by Katie Couric?  Neither would I, or anyone else with half a brain.  That's why we get nitwits on both sides.  Who wants that life?  Really fucking abnormal people.

325 I can't help but to think that for every 10 run-of-the-mill libtards out there celebrating today, there's at least one thoughtful democrat saying, "Oh Shit. What is she up to now?"

326

ace: But that abnormal aspect, the ability to put up with this crap just to attain and hold high political office, is a prerequsite for office...

But the point relevant to this thread is that you Jews - yourself, Frum, Krauthammer, Goldberg, et al - were precisely the ones dishing out all the crap.

With friends like The Tribe, who needs enemies?

 

327

I have an overwhelming desire to go punch a liberal right now.

328 Sorry if reality sucks, but Ed Morrisey, Allahpundit, Ace or anyone else stating the blatantly fucking obvious doesn't make absurd fantasies of a successful Palin run in 2012 any more or less likely.

Ed is a Pawlenty buttboy so I take that into consideration as well as his growing career causing him to turn native on us. Allah never liked Sarah because he's not a conservative, his big squeeze Meghan didn't like her, and his butt buddy Frum likes cocktail weenies. Ace just drinks too much

Whatever each talking head who wants to speculate in order to be seen as the smartest person in the room says, I'll go with Occam's Razor here.

I think the legal bills became overwhelming both in money and her ability to do her job. Unlike most political candidates her family doesn't count their income in the millions. She does have her family's financial needs to look after including the needs required of a Downes Syndrome baby.

She hasn't even said she'll run in 2012 or even run for an elective office. Whatever this does to Sarah Palin as a presidential candidate isn't so much the issue now, it's that the GOP insiders gave a giant middle finger to a significant part of the base. That won't be forgotten or forgiven no matter how much they try to polish the turd they present to us for 2012.

329

Ace...love ya, man...but I think the rationale is plain. Becuase of all the shit, she was being bankrupted and not able to perform her duties....nor have time to prep herself for bigger and better things

Now she has time to mount a attack and fight back...go all She-Ra and shit. She wasn't getting help from the national GOP...and the squishy conseravtives; Frum, Goldberg, Noonan, etc.

She is whip-smart. If she can surround herself with the right people, she can get up to speed pretty quickly. I'm not saying she is running for 2012, but I don't think this is the career killer you seem to think it is. Doing what she is 1) takes the target off her back, and 2) let's her be her.

She is leaving the state in good shape, so this "quitting" issue is a non-starter...unless certain individuals on the right help the other side out

330 I don't give a flying F, really.  Oblowma has nowhere to go but fucking down, and it's easy to see that he's already eroding.  Even my beloved uberlib lezbo sister-in-law is souring big time on the bird neck.  I love Sarah.  She's one awesome babe in my book.  All the way around.  I fondly remember first seeing her pop up in one of my fishing mags.  I mean c'mon, that's some serious fappin' fuel to a guy like me.  But I digress.  By the time '12 rolls around, my beer gut will be bigger, repubs will have a majority in the house and senate, and skittle boy will be relegated to sorting cards at the Chicago fucking library.  And jeez, can you put yourself in Todd's shoes for crying out loud?  I'd be in full tilt tower climbing mode if I were him.  And I am fucking certain a big part of her decision was in his behalf.  God bless the Palin clan.

331

But the point relevant to this thread is that you Jews - yourself, Frum, Krauthammer, Goldberg, et al - were precisely the ones dishing out all the crap.

With friends like The Tribe, who needs enemies?

 

Posted by: Lucius Vorenus at July 03, 2009 10:10 PM (TTcQQ)

Thank God the anti-semites are here.  They'll know what to do.

332 I'm not accusing Ace of being sexist, that was the Canada person. Just so's you know. But the leftist creeps who have been attacking Sarah for her kids and her outfits and her husband? Sexists. Sexist hypocrites to the max.

Oh yeah, #322, I was going to mention Nixon resigning from political life and then coming back, but I wasn't sure if I'd set off a "Nixon! Shriek!" reaction. (I don't know, so many people seem to still think he's the Anti-Christ.) Then again, maybe it would have been better if Nixon had stayed out of politics.

333 Well, no. There's a simpler explanation: SHe's written off elective politics.

I agree.

334 "If yes, that doesn't make sense to me. You're making the assumption that she truly can't handle the pressure/bullshit anymore. I don't buy it because it seems like it would be kinda easy just to lay low and ride out the rest of her term."

There's no way to lie low and burn through a half million dollars every six months.
She's a Reagan and the left knew it.  You want to know who can defeat Obama in 2012? 
Watch who the left attacks with as much viciousness as they did Palin.
It's unfortunate that Palin isn't about ten years older and didn't have to worry about her kids.  I think that she did the right thing.
But as Andrea has already noted, we're going to get the President we deserve.

335 But the point relevant to this thread is that you Jews - yourself, Frum, Krauthammer, Goldberg, et al - were precisely the ones dishing out all the crap.
Posted by: Lucius Vorenus at July 03, 2009 10:10 PM (TTcQQ)

Wait, I thought Ewoks were Methodists.

Live and learn.

Oh and "Lucius "? Take it  back to stormfront. I'm sure your friends are missing you at their masturbation circle.

336

"Actually, I am totally against the current idea that you have to have "shameless ambition and willingness to sacrfice (sic) everything" to run for president. That's just a sign of our decadence and how we have fallen away from the early days of the nation. George Washington, for example, accepted the presidency with the utmost reluctance, taking the office only out of his sense of duty. Yeah I know, "duty""

I agree.  Too bad the Governor just left her duty post.

337 >This is where I hope Sarah has set her sights and I am hoping that her resignation is the opening salvo in the campaign against the establishment Republicans. I'd love to see her use SarahPAC to support actual conservative candidates in the primaries next year, then go out on the campaign trail and stump for them. She can raise a ton of money and motivate the base like no one else.

Again, magical thinking.  Could she rise again?  Sure.  Will she?  I'm selling short.

It's magical thinking that she could go out next year and raise tons of money and campaign for conservative candidates for the House and Senate? Don't talk crazy. She can do it and be completely unfettered by anything in Alaska.

I don't know if she will ever run for elected office again. Perhaps she has decided that she has another role to play, but I do not think for one minute that she is out of politics for good.

338
What's this?

Ace doesn't buy retail?

339 "You're upset Palin's out -- guess what? so am I -- but instead of simply being disappointed in her decision, you're casting about for people to blame for it."

Stop being so defensive.  I don't blame Ace, but I do blame the GOP establishment and their mouthpieces in the media, including Charles K, who lent his big reputation and even bigger ego to the disgraceful knife job the Beltway Boys unleashed on Palin.  Never seen anything like it.  Emphatically, the Whig candidate in 12, be it Mitt Romneycare or "T-Paw" the Wonderweenie, will have no support from me--and, hopefully, none from Sarah.

This country needs a second party, an opposition worthy of the name.  The Whigs aren't it.  The sooner they go the way of the dinosaur, the better off we'll all be.

Good luck to SArah.  Death to the Whigs and their media butt boys.  New Conservative Party, anyone?

340 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 03, 2009 10:12 PM (idF9D)

FYI- I am so stealing that. Thanks in advance.

341 I don't know if she will ever run for elected office again. Perhaps she has decided that she has another role to play, but I do not think for one minute that she is out of politics for good.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at July 03, 2009 10:15 PM (gEU82)

Point taken,

342 The leftists have been sexists and racists from the beginning.  The way they treated Hillary was pretty disgusting and they treated Sarah pretty horrid as well.  Even Greta, who is a lib, became a pretty big Sarah supporter because she was so disgusted at how the libs treated Hillary, I know a lot of women who felt the same way. 

343 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 03, 2009 10:12 PM (idF9D)

FYI- I am so stealing that. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 03, 2009 10:16 PM (iTt2X)

Leave a twenty on the nightstand.

344 Ace.....you were wrong about the bailout too!

345 Puhleezze! Sorry, Juan ... if there were ANYTHING it would have been dug up in the last nearly year ... Wish I had the money spent 'digging' on this woman in that time.

346 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 03, 2009 10:18 PM (idF9D)

Would you accept a full month of free content here at the HQ instead? I have connections and can make that happen.

347

Juan Williams.. the man is most freaking Obot if I ever saw one.. I used to donate so much money to NPR.. this past week they called me up b/c they had not received my donation yet (I have given them a substantial amount in the past 6 years)... and they wanted to "remind" me to pledge money this year..

I had to bit my tongue to not yell at them.. but told them instead: "why in the hell would I donate to an Obama state run radio station"?  hmm.. that seems to shock them into silence and I hung up my phone..

I cant wait to receive a call from PBS!!

348 343 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 03, 2009 10:12 PM (idF9D)

FYI- I am so stealing that. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 03, 2009 10:16 PM (iTt2X)

Leave a twenty on the nightstand.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 03, 2009 10:18 PM (idF9D)

 

 

So there IS a number.

349

To be honest, I don't blame her one bit.  The rabid left continued to go after her well after the election, she continued to get these ethics complaints (which reminds me, why can't the complainants get stuck with the costs when the complaints are dismissed which they all have been so far) driving her deeply into debt, attacked by the media and attacked by her own party (McCains advisors) and damned with faint praise by McCain (this guy and his media-darling daughter really need to consider retiring or being asked to retire).

She showed more honesty, charisma and genuine decency then any of the candidates on either side and what she got for this were brutal attempts to destroy her and her family.

I hope she takes a run at 2012 because I think that contrary to what Ace thinks the American people (and enough of the middle) will understand why she resigned and would support her.

I'll be dropping her an email showing my support for her past efforts and her future endeavours and I would hope that many of you would as well.

350 If she runs for president, fine. I've been wrong before. And if somehow quitting an executive position she was just elected to makes her perceived as a better candidate for another executive position, fine too.

Posted by: ace at July 03, 2009 10:02 PM (gEsIJ)

Has anyone actually made this claim, that this makes her a better candidate? If so I must have missed it.

351 If I were Sara, I would LEAD the million man march to Washington in September!
Obama would be shitting his pants!
Now THAT'S a tea party!!!!

352 344 Ace.....you were wrong about the bailout too!

Icks-nay on the ailout-bay. Ace screamed that we were lunatics and the banks would go under without it. He might be touchy that we were all had and he went along with the panic

353 Would you accept a full month of free content here at the HQ instead? I have connections and can make that happen. Posted by: DrewM. at July 03, 2009 10:19 PM (iTt2X) Heh. The funny thing is that I stole that from another moron a couple months back on the ONT. The original was in reference to something called "Lace Wigs". Can you get me Lace Wigs??

354

Posted by: BTMintheSTL at July 03, 2009 10:16 PM (kGDTD)

"Even Greta, who is a lib, became a pretty big Sarah supporter because she was so disgusted at how the libs treated Hillary, I know a lot of women who felt the same way.  "

my wife and niece ,who are staunch dems, feel the same way.....

355

And if anyone thinks the attacks against Palin will ebb with her resignation, I feel they will continue. MSNBC will create 'news specials' that will profile Sarah's rise and supposed fall. Nightline will weigh in with special reports. She'll be on the next Newsweek cover. It will not stop.

When do we get to the part where we start shooting people and blowing stuff up? I'm in.

356 Any peeps from either McCain? they have been mum on Sarah & the campaign and I was wondering if you twittering fools saw anything?

357

So there IS a number.

Posted by: Jones at July 03, 2009 10:21 PM (KOkrW)

There's always a number.  Unfortunately mine is 20.

358

You sorry whoreson motherfuckers had a leading American politician flying the God-damned Star of frickin' David in her office and still you couldn't resist the Tribal urge to destroy her.

Soap.

Lampshades.

It's in your blood.

I'm beginning to wonder if you can even help yourselves, or if it's an even more primal thing, which lurks beneath the level of conscious thought.

 

 

 

359 350,

Good one.

This whole episode parallels the Rush Limbaugh one very closely.

Wonky, foamy thinking that reads like bad officers in a war movie.

360 Perhaps Ace just believed that a complete collapse of the financial system was something to be avoided.  Go figure.

361

362

Short term: "Thanks for playing, Mr. Steele, enjoying these lovely parting gifts!"

I can't think of a better RNC Chair than Palin and this is the opening move in wresting control from the squishy Noreaster/Beltway buffoons currently running the party into the ground. No, she's not gunning for 2012. She's got something far more important to do right now: Become the leader of a movement. Nobody else seems to wan the job. Romney has the energy and ideas but he doesn't want to do it. Newt's got the ideas but no energy and he already did his turn as leader of a movement...and look where that movement ended up by 2006. Dick Cheney's the Obi Wan in all of this ("I'm getting too old for this sort of thing.") and I think he's already in the process of passing his torch to Liz, and those appear to be some capable hands, but also some young hands. Her time will come, just not now. Who else is there? The squishy beta males that are currently running the party into the ground? Yeah, last I checked, those douchenozzles were lining up behind the crew from MSNBC to smooch Big 0's ass. PASS! The folks that ARE running for something can't be leaders of the movement, mainly because they're too busy trying to get elected. So, where oh where can we find an articulate, congenial, natural leader, with executive experience, NOT running for office, willing to trade blows with the Jerk Off in Chief, stand up for conservative principles, promote those prinicples without appology, oh and able to draw larger crowds for a twenty minute public speaking engagement than the average NHL or NBA game attendence?

WAIT A SECOND!

Sarah's ALL of those things!

Long term: Running the RNC will put some polish on this diamond; she'll beef up on the stuff she's defficient in, fine tune the message, become a major presence on the American political landscape and solidify her image and reputation as a leader. When her kids are older and the current crop of gasbags have become totally irrelevant (something their undying love and devotion to 0bama is hastening the march towards every day) she'll be ready, rested and able.

I think Chuck's assessment is spot on and in 2016, it'll be "Morning in America again."

I believe the coming change of power in congress will have the same effect the 1994 "revolution" had: The GOP congress will kneecap Obama's social agenda, force him to the right on ecconomic policy, right the ecconomy, and, basically, save his presidency, same as the GOP congress saved Clinton in '96 by doing the very same things.

See, I've been doing some deep thinking on this lately and I believe Newt and the Contract With America was never supposed to lead to a GOP congress, at least not in 1994.

I believe that the plan was to make gains on Dem stumbles in '94 and position Newt, as leader of a strong opposition minority in Congress and clear cut leader of the party, with The CWA as a platform, for a landslide presidential run against a ruined Clinton in '96, with Newt bringing looooong coattails and a GOP majority to The House and Senate.

Problem was, it worked too well, too soon.

Who saw the Dems getting blown out THAT badly in '94?

Yeah, exactly.

What happened then? Newt became Speaker of The House, a job he wasn't going to abandon for anything, the victories drained the pool of credible GOP POTUS candidates, including the guy it was SUPPOSED to position in the first place for '96 and the GOP congress's actions brought the ecconomy back and with it, raised Clinton's approval numbers thus saving him from becoming a failed one termer, which he was well on his way to becoming before the GOP congress came along and saved the ecconomy and his presidency.

What happened after that?

Short term: Somehow, Whitewater (shoulda been a slam dunk) became the Monica Lewinsky Show (ah crap...), the GOP congressional leaders took their eye off the ball and ended up hanging themselves rather than getting Clinton convicted, including Newt himself.

Long term: The GOP turned into the very Democrats they unseated in '94 and brought Nanny Nancy, Dingy Harry to power in '06 and ultimately a neophyte "Community Organizer" to the highest office in the land last year.

If Sarah become the leader of both the party and movement, without being tied to an office, she can avoid the trap that Newt fell into in '94 and succeed where he failed, in bringing a solid, long lasting conservative movement to power in America.

363

Jones:

As someone who used to watch MSNBC ALL THE TIME... in fact I would have both my TVS on pervert Matthew's show to give him ratings.. I can tell you.. the raatings at those shows has plummeted significantly..

fake-eyelash Rachael 's ratings for the most important category (25-54), has plummeted 55% YOY... trust me when I say more and more people are not watching that chit... I have cancelled both, MSNBC and CNN from my satellite dish.

364

The Left has demonstrated their cesspoll has no bottom.  They defined the limits, let them live with it.  For those who say if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, just remember the Left has thrown common descency out the window.   Little wonder they field the candidates they do.    Only a fool will put on his Sunday best when his opponent insists on fighting in the gutter.  There is nothing the Left will not descend to.   So be it.

I would think 500K in legal bills would give anyone pause especially if you are the target of hit squads.  Just another reason our legal system sucks.

 

Finally Juan Williams is an idiot.  If he has any proof let him demonstrate it.  Till then Fox should fire him for being Barney Frank's pimp and Dodd's bag man. 

365 I've cooked burgers, drank beers, shot off illegal fireworks (it's gonna rain like a mother here tomorrow) and whored myself out on AoS.  Other than pettin the weasel, my work for the day is done.  Night, all.

366 Ace is rather tone-deaf on certain things. His posts are read with intent that he doesn't put in there, and it is because of the focus of how he views politics

It's just like the underlying sentiment that Ace expressed during his Limbaugh rant and during the "Republicans are Nazis, um hum yup" Michael Steele kerfluffle  - he can't help but imply that he accepts (and therefore supports) the Left-media domination of discourse. I don't think he supports it, but his language sounds like he does to us. It is more retiring and, well,  flaccid than what we expect - saying things like "don't fight it" and "is this the hill you're willing to fight over?" as if by accepting the situation one might "get over" the traps the left has laid. As if we cannot affect anything so might as well hope to ignore the lies and attacks and unfairness and un-American behaviour by the Left/Media so that we can occasionally make an important point somewhere down the line.

Most people like myself don't agree at all. We see the sickness and degrading wrongness of the Left/Media garbage and become enraged.
Yes, this is the fucking hill I am going to fight over.
Yes, after this one I will fight the next hill. And the next. These are the "important points". We'll fight until we can't be ignored anymore, and until these roadblocks to our real Republic are erased - we'll fucking fight and holler and rant and rave and fuck the "pundits" and those other shitheaded blinkered fucknuggets who accept the liberal spin/lies and just UncleTom until they can win an election.

It is sickeningly wrong for Palin to have gone through what she has gone through; sickening for the reasons we all know why she was targeted.

It is not acceptable to passively accept the situation as-is, as if it is some fore-ordained and proper state of affairs. It is not.

Ace is, as far as I can tell, accepting of this state of affairs as an environment to work in, like a rickety mine or collapsing quarry. He tends to operate in the "now" and not in the arena of principles and wrath - which tends to be my special viewpoint. I'm quite sure he doesn't prefer the present situation - he just thinks we can only do so much. I disagree.

367 If she decides to run in 2012, she should only get ½ the media attention she gets now cuz only ½ of the media will be left.

368 358 Take your crap, elsewhere.

369 358 Take your crap, elsewhere.

Or preferably nowhere.

370 85 Sorry guys, she's done.
The left has won one hell of a victory here.  They hounded her into quitting.

True, if by "the left" you mean the pathetic Whig party.  She was done in by the GOP and its mouthpieces in the media.  Mittens Romneycare is hoisting a glass tonight.  Its his victory.

 If Sarah  has a political future now, it is necessarily outside the GOP.  She will have to run against them and beat them, and item 1 on her TO DO list should be administering the coup de grace to the rotten corpse of the Whig Party.

371 Maybe Sarah Palin could join the RNC, and shake some of the dead-wood out.

372 Palin runs in 2012, either as the Republican nominee (if the Republicans are smart)* or as a third party candidate.

*Which they aren't. They're going to nominate a loser like Romney or Fuckabee. Wait and see.

373

As it goes, Sarah Palin is out of Politics.  She is not going to seek an elected Office.  I don't blame her at all, with all of the frivolous lawsuits and libel/ slander from the MSM (Not to mention, now, from the GOP).  She is going to work for the Conservative movement.  That's all.

Something big is about to happen. 

374 "But, for better or worse, that is what the job of president (or governor, or vice president entails), and if she's just not willing to put up with this crap anymore -- well, that is completely understandable, but it also is a decision that would seem to disqualify her from office, at least in the near term."

I've come to this thread late and so no one will read this but I need to respond anyway.  Ace, if you think what was done to Palin was routine rough and tumble politics you are simply deluding yourself.  For selfish reasons I'm sad she stepped down, but I still think it was the right thing to do.

This country is falling apart, it going to happen and it needs to happen.  Maybe on the other side of the collapse we can kill the circus and the clowns and be adults again.  If so, Maybe then there will be a place for Sarah.

375 Seriously, with legs like hers.....she could rob some banks and she would still get my vote.

376 "And it does not take into account the magnitude of the attacks and the lawsuits on her. Like I said, you would have to make Romney pay out over $10 million in less than 6 months to equal the magnitude of the effect. NO ONE can face penury and the inimical hate from the left towards family and remain unaffected."

Inimical hate from the left? ONLY the left? Please my friend- she was being shat upon by beltway "conservatives" for not having an ivy degree, and being stabbed by alaskan gop old boys who hated her for busting up their oil payoffs.

This shit was insane- I remember keenly being treated to sober treatises about the state of Palin's amniotic fluid over a two week period during the campaign. This coming before the breathless detailing of her campaign wardrobe costs. But after the clever leftist "feminist performance artist" gleefully discussing the joy there would be had by having Palin gang raped by a troop of her "Black Brothers". No politician, ever, at any time in the history of this country has had to deal with this level of psychotic hatred.

She made the right play, dumping out of this no win situation. She was going broke dealing with ethics charges from fat scumbag twats funded endlessly by soros and co, and having to deal with death by a thousand tiny smears from all the purported intelligentsia in the media.

Smiling through that storm of dogshit for the rest of her term would have accomplished what exactly? Right, even more debt and a further diminuation of whatever political clout and capital she gained running with lameass mcfuckstick.

Oh but then she wouldn't have been a quitter. Right.

377

First off, sorry, I haven't read everything up thread, I've been working on the potholes in the church driveway, I'm tired and I wanna go to bed.  Anyway-

As governor, she can't leave Alaska to lay the groundwork for a Presidential campaign without risking another expensive and time consumming lawsuit.  Now she can circulate at conservative rallies and build her campaign.  I don't expect her to announce for a while though. 

 She'll probably wait until unemployment is awful and the price of energy and everything else spikes and people are screaming.  Then she'll come out and say, "Had enough?  Let's go back to the tried and true American way.  Let's drill, work, and get the government off our backs and out of business. We need a President who is proud of being an American, not an apologist."  Or something like that. 

In a recent interview she said she'd beat Obama in an endurance race.  She's going to pace herself and make her move when she thinks it's time.   

378 Don't be too quick to absolve Ace of any sexism. I think Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs had an unpleasant run in with Ace. He seems to have a misogynistic streak. May be a factor in how he views Palin.

379 Whoops- 376 is mine.

Damn sock.

380
johnc, you new here?

381 I mean, if she's decided she's done with politics, why not just coast through until the end of the term and then walk away?

Well, that's kind of the point, isn't it? Qutting looks bad. Quitting is bad. It just is. If it weren't a bad thing, the Palinistas wouldn't have to work so hard to justify it.

I'm a contractor. In one professional group for other contractor/consultants, one guy was complaining because he quit a contract abruptly for health reasons, and eight years later he was bidding on another project at a different company, and a manager there remembered his quitting and told the project manager not to consider his bid.

This is not the kind of thing that looks good to normal people. If you quit one job close to a major deadline or at a really critical time, the stench does linger. Timing matters.

I sympathize with her personal reasons, but all actions have consequences. A realistic consequence of this is that no one will trust her with elected office. She has obviously judged that being free and private is worth the price, but that doesn't mean there is no price.

382 " no one will trust her with elected office"

Incorrect. I will.

383

It is sickeningly wrong for Palin to have gone through what she has gone through; sickening for the reasons we all know why she was targeted.

It is not acceptable to passively accept the situation as-is, as if it is some fore-ordained and proper state of affairs. It is not.

OK, it was wrong.  How does her quitting make it any more or less wrong?  How does her quitting do anything but encourage more of the same?  How does her quitting do anything but destroy any chances of near-term political prospects?

384

My "crap" is just the simple observation that a bunch of Jewish ostensible Republicans [Ace, Frum, Krauthammer, Goldberg, et al] decided that the Star-of-David-wielding Sarah Palin was just a little too evangelical for their tastes.

Sorry if the truth hurts, but you people are suicidal, and this hayseed redneck doesn't want any part of your nihilism.

 

385 123On the resignation:  The fact is she's more valuable to the party and herself raising money full time.

Why on earth would she raise money for the f*cking GOP.  She can't get the goddammed GOP knives out of her back, and you think she should fund raise for them.  No f*ckin way.

386 Politics is not sports. It is ok for rival teams to exchange championships from year to year or for one then the other to dominate for a while.

To us regular folks, regarding politics, our Freedom is at stake. But, to politicians and their groupies only power is at stake.

Someone who does not play by the usual rules is both a puzzle and a threat. The first thing the players and their minions apply is their own internal logic which always spits out the same answer: unconventional = failure.

387

Palin runs in 2012, either as the Republican nominee (if the Republicans are smart)* or as a third party candidate.

I didn't know hell was due to freeze over by 2012.

She's done, at least for the near future.  2012 isn't even a remote possibility after today.

388 BrianO at July 03, 2009 10:37 PM (7Zs42)

Low. I've read posts vehemently disagreeing with Ace's position on this all day. As upset as some people were, you're the first to accuse him of misogyny. You gonna blame it on the jews, too?

389

*polishes my star of Dave lapel pin.

 

Yep.  I'm jewish now.  Pass the mahtzah.

390 Not blaming it on any jews. Hey, It was Pamela Geller who had the problems with him, and I think she's Jewish if I'm not mistaken
So, dismissing it out of hand, seems a bit premature, dont you think?

391

yep.. I'm new here.. my undemocratic party was taken over by the loony left.. I don't agree with republicans, but I do agree with true conservatives who want a strong national defense and strong fiscal policy.. which is why I supported sarah palin and will continue to do so..

thats' why my name says "ex-dem"... I was registered a democrat up until 3 months ago.. now a registered independent.. and trust me when I say there are many many dems who have not left the party but they no longer feel any loyalty to it..

392

I'm going to agree with ace on all this. (and no, I'm not sucking up to get my password.....)

Yeah, alot of us are Sarah-drones, we are almost as bad as Obots, we shouldn't be looking for scapegoats, she made a gamble.

She's a big girl and she knows the game and the stakes.  Give her time and if she shines, the white house is hers, if not, there is still some powerhouses out there aka BJ in LA.

With her on the loose and campaigning free, she can shake up the gop.

All bullshit aside, Rush is the voice of the conserative party, Sarah is the face of the GOP.  Time to stand and live or go to your knees and die.

I say trust her and set her free to play.

393 And I didn't accuse him of misogyny, I just said he "seems" to have a misogynistic streak. If feelings are good enough for him to base opinions on, why can't others base opinions on what is understood to be his actual actions?

394 378 Don't be too quick to absolve Ace of any sexism. I think Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs had an unpleasant run in with Ace.

Sorry, but Geller seems like an unpleasant woman.

I haven't detected much/any sexism from the crew here.  (Yes, I'm a chick.  We know things about pigeons sexist pigs, Lilly.)

395

You know, everybody keeps asking "who's left."  I keep asking, who's NOT left?  What's wrong with Haley Barbour?  Or the governor of Indiana (whatever is name is ...).  I've often thought our own Rick Perry was a ghey tool, but he hasn't totally f*&^ed up Texas.  In fact, we're like the only place in the US that is NOT totally f&*(ed up.

How about this ticket:  Duncan Hunter / Gen. Petreaus?

396
yep.. I'm new here

Good.

Welcome aboard.

397

That Huffington Post piece mocking Down Syndrome people makes my blood run cold. 

Huffington Post: "Palin Will Run in '12 on More Retardation Platform"

I have a beautiful young niece who has Downs but is very high functioning.  I wonder if she'll manage to live through the special treatment liberals have in mind for the disabled.  Go see the site "NotDeadYet.Org", the disabled know what's coming.

398 384 - Then we agree.  You should take your crap and go, shithead.

399 391  I'm one of those dems you are speaking of.  Also, there are still alot of pissed off pumas out there.  I think now that white guilt voting is over and wallets are hurting, kos kids will be suicidal in 2010 and 2012.

400

She showed more honesty, charisma and genuine decency then any of the candidates on either side and what she got for this were brutal attempts to destroy her and her family.

I hope she takes a run at 2012 because I think that contrary to what Ace thinks the American people (and enough of the middle) will understand why she resigned and would support her.

I'll be dropping her an email showing my support for her past efforts and her future endeavours and I would hope that many of you would as well.

Yeah- the American people are going to be oh-so-eager to hand the codes to our nukes and the keys to the White House over to someone who will be percieved as having a few years earlier folded under the pressure of partisan attacks as Alaskan Governor to the point of resigning.

Whatever role she decides to assume, it will not be in the form of a presidential run in 2012.  She just made that completely impossible.  Desperately wishing otherwise doesn't change that.

Seriously- WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!?!? 

401
Ace is only afraid of two things: vagina and brown people

402

>> And I didn't accuse him of misogyny, I just said he "seems" to have a misogynistic streak.

 

 

HAHAHAHA

 

JEW!

403 397

That Huffington Post piece mocking Down Syndrome people makes my blood run cold. 

Someone should start a HuffPo Must Go facebook group. 

404

If Palin is to be taken at her word (and I do) her family is on its way to serious financial difficulty defending herself against non-stop frivolous ethics charges, which are also preventing her from doing the job she was elected to do.  And rather than let that happen, she resigns, but is immediately proclaimed a quitter, and politically dead. 

So if she stays on, bankrupts her family, and is an ineffective governor because she is unable to do her job would that prove her viability as a prez candidate?  How does that prove she is an effective executive? 

If Sarah is or was such a non-viable presidential candidate, why is the left celebrating so hard tonight?

 

405 401
Ace is only afraid of two things: vagina and brown people

WARNING!  Sonia Sotomayor is apparently posting under someone's nic at AoSHQ!

406

"I'm a contractor. In one professional group for other contractor/consultants, one guy was complaining because he quit a contract abruptly for health reasons, and eight years later he was bidding on another project at a different company, and a manager there remembered his quitting and told the project manager not to consider his bid."

That sort of pettiness is rife in the contracting world - so what? 

407 Hollowpoint, I respect and see merit in your opinions. However:

"the American people are going to be oh-so-eager to hand the codes to our nukes and the keys to the White House over to someone who will be percieved as having a few years earlier folded under the pressure of partisan attacks as Alaskan Governor to the point of resigning."

Excuse me, but they were oh-so-eager to hand codes and keys over to a feckless douchebag whose sole resume bullet points were "hud money disappearer", "annenberg trust money disappearer" and "asbestos removal negotiator". Oh, and a wonderful skin tone.

As such, I don't think Palin resigning in the face of a ridiculous no-win situation (that any sane person would have walked from) is going to hinder her chances all that much.

You've got a viewpoint, and you argue it well. I don't agree with it.

Time will judge which of us is correct.

Until then, death to the DNC.

408 I know a man who quit his job so there would be enough money left in the budget to keep his crew working.

People do quit for reasons other than they are "quitters".

409

I still don't get how thinking that it is beyond stupid for conservatives to constantly attack the only conservative in the country who can make headlines on her own is "magical thinking". Talk about a lame ass strawman to try and justify idiotic actions.

Sarah Palin is the one conservative in this country who could easily get a message out. What was the result? Stupid Beltway insiders thought that she didn't say things exactly how they would say them, so they attacked her. Hey, dip shits, if she said shit like you do, she'd be a boring loser that nobody listens to (we already have enough of those). So how about publicly agreeing with her where you agree and making your own arguments where you disagree with her, without chopping her off at the knees? What a fucking concept - save your fire for the enemy.

410

If Palin is to be taken at her word (and I do) her family is on its way to serious financial difficulty defending herself against non-stop frivolous ethics charges, which are also preventing her from doing the job she was elected to do.  And rather than let that happen, she resigns, but is immediately proclaimed a quitter, and politically dead. 

So if she stays on, bankrupts her family, and is an ineffective governor because she is unable to do her job would that prove her viability as a prez candidate?  How does that prove she is an effective executive? 

If she couldn't do her job in the face of the ethics complaints, that alone would draw question to her exectutive abilities- be that fair or not.

Also, the reasons she gave weren't all the compelling, because she didn't just stick to one but rather included several:

1. Ethics charges took too much of her time

2. Ethics charges cost too much.

3. She's not running next term, and didn't want to be a "lame duck".

4. Personal attacks took too much a toll on her family.

5. She wanted to pursue other avenues for promoting conservative values and candidates.

Rather than pick one, she took the Jake Elwood approach and ended up sounding less credible as a result.

A President is expected to function no matter how much shit is tossed his way- not fold because of personal finances, attacks on family, or any number of distracting ethics charges.

411 First, Lucius Vorenus, please go kill yourself. Thanks.

Second, RonR, somewhere above, on my sentence about duty:

"I agree.  Too bad the Governor just left her duty post."

She had absolutely no obligation to allow the office of the Governor of Alaska, the state of Alaska, and her family to be subject to more rape jokes and nasty speculation about her pregnancy and attacks on her daughters and petty lawsuits. She had every obligation to protect the office of the Governor of Alaska, the state of Alaska, and her family from this bullshit. And I repeat, she was getting no political help of any kind from her so-called "side." In this case resigning is a proper treatment of her "duty post."

412

"Ace is trying to convince himself that he's right."

LEAVE ACE ALONE!  (sob!)

413

>>>Until then, death to the DNC

... and the RNC

414

"You've got a viewpoint, and you argue it well. I don't agree with it."

Absolute threadwinner - hands down. Let's see how things shake out. 

415 eman at July 03, 2009 11:00 PM (fpywm)
But the question is not whether this is a good quitting or a bad quitting. It's what effect the quitting has on the public perception of her. And the public, both being stupid as fuck and being mislead by a media which is little more than a democrat party bullhorn, is unlikely to understand that this was a no-win situation.

416

You know, it's funny how you folks don't ever want to confront the nasty little facts of the matter.

I suppose that if it makes you feel better, then you can hide behind your silly artficial nonce epithets, but I gotta tell you, within the context of this discussion - wherein opposing the likes Ace, Frum, Krauthammer and Goldberg earns you that sobriquet - the title of "anti-semite" can only be seen as a badge of honor.

And please, for the sake of Jehovah/Yahweh: Get the Hell out my National Socialism Party.

I don't want a tent that big.

 

 

417 Brian O., you're a cunt and your speaking privileges are revoked. Go get me my cigarettes bitch.
Hurry up.

418

 I like Palin, and would be inclined to vote for her, regardless of whether or not she was governor for 2 years, 3 years, or 8 years.  Being an Executive means more than just being the Governor.  It helps, however to deny that there are natural born leaders, versus good followers who trick people into thinking they are a leader is dangerous.  Does Palin lead from the front, and demonstrate that she is willing to shed blood with us?  Only time will tell.  However, at least she has the balls to say I am stepping down because of  x, y and z. Even if it is a scandal, compared to the host of Presidents, Governors, and members of Congress who won’t leave even after caught in a scandal, I think she is at least setting a standard that unfortunately will be ignored by both sides of the isle. Sounds like leadership to me.  I don’t know why she is stepping down, all I know is she is in control, or taking control of her destiny.  Is this why libs and moderates are so afraid of Palin, her unpredictability, her ability to say fuck you and fuck this, I am doing it my way? Who knows? What is evident is that there is a schism even among ourselves that she is able to create when she defies the standard operating procedures that we hold near and dear to our hearts.  If someone was making fun of my child with Down syndrome and I was Governor, I would have quit the first day it happened and beat the fucking face of someone.  Why because you don't fuck with someone's family, especially a child with a disability.  To me it takes a better person than me to grin and bear it.  Yes it sucks that Palin might not be able to do anything again politically, however if it means she takes out several moderate fucks and the pieces of shit that talk about her kids, so be it.  Maybe the next Sarah Palin won't have to worry about the cowards in the liberal party and in our party going after her kids and her because she does not fit the standard mold for how to think and act as a candidate.

419 If anyone is interested, "Lucius Vorenus" is the same troll as "Banned but not Dead".

420 A President is expected to function no matter how much shit is tossed his way- not fold because of personal finances, attacks on family, or any number of distracting ethics charges.

She's not President.  (Just as she was not running for President last fall.)

Anyway, if the GOP can't provide backing for a successful governor, and one who represents a supposedly important "demographic," so that she can fend off lawsuits designed to financially ruin her, then I guess we're only going to have millionaires (or twerps like Johnny Mac and Mark "can't keep it in my pants" Sanford who married millionaires) to choose from.

Thanks, but no thanks.  Fuck the GOP. 

421 Ace - you f'ing nailed it. Summed up my feelings exactly. She has seriously undermined her credibility and likely made any future campaign a non-starter. 

Honestly the people who are still hailing her as the savior and screaming Palin 2012 sound like the blind, cultish followers of Barry O who believe he can do any wrong.

I was a huge Palin supporter until today.  I still respect her and am thankful for what she was able to accomplish last fall, but I would have a very hard time supporting her again. She really screwed the pooch today.

422 Xander, then the Public would be equally unable to see her nobility in staying in office.

I look at it by putting myself in her shoes and asking what is best for those I serve?

The answer is clear.

423 "A President is expected to function no matter how much shit is tossed his way- not fold because of personal finances, attacks on family, or any number of distracting ethics charges."

If she was President, I don't think she'd be that bothered.

424

If you've read Ed Morrisey's latest anti-Palin rant on hotair.com, tell me your opinion.  Ace has posted a series of legitimate questions about this whole resignation thing and I'm as anxious to hear the answers as he is.  Obviously the other shoe has to drop before we really undertand what's really going on here.  But does Morrisey sound like he's headed in the whole irrational, Charles Johnson RINO direction?  There are TONS of reasons why Sarah has unreasonable demands on her that affect her ability to deliver her duties as governor of Alaska, not the least of which is the "news" media's relentless partisan assaults on her which she has to deal with, instead of focusing on Alaska.  Morrisey makes it sound like she's a traitor with no legitimate claim to national government representation at all.

Am I wrong or does Morrisey deserve to have his fat head pounded into a pile of dogshit as CJ?  I plan on posting a ban-inviting post on hotair.com within the next 24 hours so the intel has time to become reliable.

425

I still don't get how thinking that it is beyond stupid for conservatives to constantly attack the only conservative in the country who can make headlines on her own is "magical thinking". Talk about a lame ass strawman to try and justify idiotic actions.

It's not an "attack" on Palin to state the obvious fact that her resignation destroyed any chance of election to higher office in the near future.

It's not an "attack" to question why she resigned when she didn't stick to a single, compelling reason but instead went from one to another to the next.

It's clear that some of you had very high hopes pinned on Palin.  So high, that she's portrayed as Obi Wan Palin, Our Only Hope.  She was a compelling figure and I liked her, but what's done is done.  Time to move on.

No matter what bullshit criticisms came from McCain's campaign people, elitist cockholsters like Chris Buckley, David Frum, the MSM, etc- the fact remains that she resigned, and the obvious result is that any hopes of a 2012 run are over.  Or at least it should be obvious amongst anyone with a functioning sense of reality.

426 Lucius, I've never really met a closet nazi before. Interesting.

My family has killed a lot of your buddies, I don't think you'll do any better this time around.

427

Excellent move by Governor Palin and for all the right reasons that she outlined in her speech. If anyone really wants to comment on her action then first of all read the transcript of her speech or watch the video on YouTube.

The sycophantic Obama media and the political pundit  class(conservative and liberal alike) who still cannot wrap their minds around a potential candidate who does not conform to their warped Joe Bidenesque view of what makes a potentially successful politician, are spinning all kinds of dire predictions based on their fear or hatred or both of Governor Palin.

 

These were the same clowns who railroaded the weak-kneed  GOP into nominating a Democrat Lite in nice McCain. These were and are the same journalists and columnists and commentators who bow to the empty suit Obama, who stand in deference every time he enters a room and then resign to go on his staff. Talk about brownnosing.

 The feckless, childish and immature liberal economic brains on Obama’s staff still have not explained why in just 5 months there are 2,500,000 more Americans out of jobs in excess of the 8% jobless rate that was supposed to be if the totally unsuccessful stimulus bill was passed. This was the liberal genius gene pool that was going to build a green economy and  “create or save” millions of jobs. Yet all the pundit class is saying that successful Governor Palin with the right instincts straight out of the Declaration of Independence has no political career against a snake oil salesman who is taking American down the road of a banana republic.

 

If the true Republican base and not the “wets” in the Beltway stick to their guns Sarah Palin will be the nominee in 2012  and will bring sanity to governance in the United States once again. She would relish the fight against mr. hopeychangy who would have at that point overseen an economy with trillions in debt , an unemployment rate still around 7-8% , a Growth Rate of less than 2% annually and a foreign policy in shambles with every tom dick and harry tin pot dictator sneering at the narcissistic child in the White House..

 

428 Well, no. There's a simpler explanation: SHe's written off elective politics.

Winner!

Almost 1,600 posts and you finally put it on "paper." She's not going to run for President, no matter how much political junkies think its the only possible next step. She has another plan; fundraiser/philosopher/moral voice/eminence grise.

Something like that. I'm not a beltway bandit, so I may be 180 degrees off course, but I really think she is in the position of a draftee who did her duty, and is not interested in re upping. She had a chance to get out early, and took it.

I said this on the other thread, and I really think it bears repeating: you should avoid "What in the world is Sarah doing?" threads for at least a couple of weeks, if not until September at the earliest. Let this play out, and we'll see just how good, or bad, this decision was. In November 2010 we'll have a chance to play pundit and pick apart this move; until then we are all just blowing smoke, venting, and trying to fit her into our own molds.

429

If she was President, I don't think she'd be that bothered.

You're suggesting that Palin had to deal with more pressure and distraction as governor than she'd have to face as the President of the United States?

Get real, voters aren't going to buy that for a second.

430 eman,

Understood, and I don't blame her for the decision. The question is whether she can, if she intends to, bounce back for a shot at 2012. I think that she probably knew, upon deciding to resign, that any aspirations of holding an elected office in the short term would be shot because of public perception. That makes her decision that much more commendable, but the result no less likely.

431 I just finished the last thread and now, Ace, I see you posted this. I'm skipping the comments but I'll go back momentarily, so forgive me if I cover something you addressed. Anyhoo,

What the hell is wrong with you? You can't grasp what's happening? Further, you pass on some rumor sourced from the nutroots? With friends like you, Palin needs no enemies. I guess were it not for her lovely figure and the traffic she draws for your site, you'd really have no use for her.

Palin is leaving for several reasons, one of which is financial and another is that this unprecedented personal assault is effecting her office. Her state cannot function with a well-funded national machine dedicated to turning her office into chaos. A gross injustice is being done and your response is, "Eh, how odd. Let's see what the freak Left says, add unsubstantiated content to the mix, and declare 'she's done.'"

Jesus Christ, man! She's doing what a rational, selfless person would do under the circumstances. She has bills to pay. Real bills. And she doesn't have the privilege of handing out IOU's in lieu of payment. What's more, there will surely be more lawsuits on the way to harass her and her alone. She is giving up the seat to save the office from the ridiculousness and to save her family's sustenance. You may have noticed there's a recession going on and the Gov's paycheck doesn't cover everything.

It just amazes me to see conservatives jump to spin this in the most ugly way as soon as possible. I'm pissed here, Ace. I expect better from you and it seems that you might be more than obtuse here. You really don't understand why the reaction, or that the only reasonable reaction is to "quit" because her family has been so unfairly impacted?

We see a government that is failing, Left and Right. We have representative government filled with rich, well-connected and greased partisans and incumbents who care not one shit about the travails of the voter except on voting day. They wall themselves off from the public. They write themselves loopholes to circumvent the laws we're forced by court action to obey. They spend tens of thousands of tax dollars on junkets and special treats. They create legislation in the dead of night and vote on it without reading. They jump like monkeys to special interst coin. They craft law such that incumbency is just about guaranteed. This all in a "democracy." Bah.

The experiment has failed. Either you're wealthy and can self-finance your defense from an onslaught or you're well-connected and beholden to those interests once you get in (in which case you owe your financiers more than your constituents and vote accordingly). But God forbid a decent, hard-working, honest, normal, capable, patriotic American try to make a difference. It's only for the professionals who play the game or can pay others to play it for them. Look how well that's turning out!

Palin doesn't have the deep pockets and faces a hard reality. Critics are determined to destroy her, and "allies" won't lift a finger to help. Even people reading and writing on this blog have seen an injustice done (the outrageous insider, outsider, and MSM smears) yet sat back and done nothing... or worse, less than nothing because they'll jump at the chance to criticize her as fast as the internet can manage. She subtly asked for money in small amounts so as not to become beholden to big donors. It hasn't raised enough. She couldn't get vociferous in office because it was drawing yet more legal frivolity and real expense. Yet those who want her to fight their conservative war cannot manage to pony up the dough to keep her financially safe from the legal arrows. These are the parasites. Well guess what? She cannot afford it. She's been bled enough. So, as was said earlier by someone else, kindly STFU until you make a deposit in her piggybank.

And quit acting like she's done. She's doing the right thing for Alaska. She thinks she's doing the right thing for herself and her family. I'm sure she'll do the right thing for the cause she believes in. Were I her, I'd say the cause of the GOP is lost and she'd be best to pursue an alternate political party. But that's me. I have no faith in either our democracy as it is functioning now or the bystanders who bitch and moan about how this woman should conduct herself. She's more grounded and sensible than anyone on the radar. It's a shame that so many are so willing to bury the one good thing we've really seen grow from the grassroots. The country will be worse without those of Sarah's caliber and be mired in the socialist, poisonous muck the public claims to abhor yet cultivates at every opportunity.

I'm done with my rant, but I'm pretty disappointed with the "conservative" base. I'm going out for a drink.

432 Sorry, Crusty.  'Can't help you with your question.  Or, rather, won't.  At this stage of the game, I check Hot Air for the headlines only.  Even then, if I really want the political news scoops, I go to Malkin (although I find her analysis a bit too shrill at this stage... she lost me with the Bush bashing in his last weeks in office). 

Basically, I'm down to AoSHQ, Jawa, and neoneocon at this point.  (And the places they link on specific posts.)

433 "...unlikely to understand that this was a no-win situation."

I don't believe in the no-win scenario.

434 I was a huge Palin supporter until today.

A "life-long Republican", too, no doubt.

STFU, moby.

435

If the true Republican base and not the “wets” in the Beltway stick to their guns Sarah Palin will be the nominee in 2012  and will bring sanity to governance in the United States once again. She would relish the fight against mr. hopeychangy who would have at that point overseen an economy with trillions in debt , an unemployment rate still around 7-8% , a Growth Rate of less than 2% annually and a foreign policy in shambles with every tom dick and harry tin pot dictator sneering at the narcissistic child in the White House..

Seriously, duder.  Take your meds.

Whatever chance of that happening were yesterday, they dropped to zero today.

436 state the obvious fact that her resignation destroyed any chance of election to higher office in the near future.

Hint: "your opinion" and "fact" aren't the same thing.

437 She's JOINING OBAMA'S CABINET!
http://tiny.cc/u9IJF

438 @407:

"
"the American people are going to be oh-so-eager to hand the codes to our nukes and the keys to the White House over to someone who will be percieved as having a few years earlier folded under the pressure of partisan attacks as Alaskan Governor to the point of resigning."

Excuse me, but they were oh-so-eager to hand codes and keys over to a feckless douchebag whose sole resume bullet points were "hud money disappearer", "annenberg trust money disappearer" and "asbestos removal negotiator". Oh, and a wonderful skin tone.

As such, I don't think Palin resigning in the face of a ridiculous no-win situation (that any sane person would have walked from) is going to hinder her chances all that much."


Yep, that would be nice, but the feckless douchebag has a media arm that can diminish his weaknesses and amplify those of his opponents.  Herein lies the critical fault.

I love Sarah, but I think this'll be tough to roll out of with the MSDNC controlling airwaves.

439 Hollowpoint, why do you have a problem with everyone venting? It just happened for fuck's sake, everyone's pissed, what do you expect? Nobody wants a referee at this point, people will start thinking through things after a few days.

440 It is much easier to cripple the Governor of Alaska with frivolous lawsuits that to do the same to the POTUS.

She made a bold move to free her State, her family, and herself from a trap.

What she will do with her new freedom is unknown to us for now. I think she will run for POTUS.

441 I'm not convinced that there is some jedi-politico move in the making here.  But, it is at least feasible that she figures she's got to raise her profile in ways that aren't going to happen as G of AK.  So, she resigns, and then embarks on the "shadow presidency" tour packing in 20k supporters per speech and giving a major address after each O initiative or misstep or whatever.   She doesn't announce that's her plan, she just lets it evolve.   The media would have no choice but to cover her, because, hate her as they do, they are still obsessed with her. 

Is it kind of a hail-mary...yep.  But, if you're SP and you really want to be POTUS, it's just not going to happen the traditional way.  The media won't allow it.  So, she does an end-run and sees where it goes.

Again, not saying this is it...just saying it's possible.  She actually would have little to lose.  Being G of AK has no glamour and obviously she's getting hit with everything the left has...for what, to make sure the people of Juneao have enough salt and snow shovels?  Let's say her idea flops and 15 people show up...then she just returns to civilian life, writes a book, makes speeches about shooting moose, gets out of financial hock and avoids the crush of the left day after day after day. 

My gut says a scandal breaks in 2 weeks or there isn't one.  Plus, she seems to be the type that would, especially now, get out in front of the scandal herself and control the timing. 

Remember 1 thing, a week is forever in politics.  She may be unviable now...I certainly would have questions about her ability to handle POTUS duties if she can't run AK under pressure.  But, if she does become a shadow president and effectively knee-caps O at every turn.  She'll automatically be the leading R...no questions asked. 

442

I don't see her running for political office again, and honestly, that may not be where she is most effective anyway.  She is excellent at rallying people -- not just the base (I know many diehard Republicans who don't like her at all; I know many ex-Dems, Reagan Dems, Libertarians, and Independents who really like her quite a bit); I think that is what her "job" is; that and what she can do to the Dems and Rinos right now -- she makes them nervous; she makes the little people question them exceedingly. 

The resignation thing was a bit of a shock, but maybe she really does want to get out of office for the reasons she's given, and she's far more effective for the conservative movement unfettered by office where she would just be smeared more.

And as I stated in the last thread, not all offices are elected posts -- she might be quite good in one of those positions; maybe that's what she's aiming for.

Then again, with all the wild conjecture going on, ehem, "maybe she has made secret negotiations with Putin to stage a coup here and is merely preparing for stage two of 'Operation Eaglebear' ...or Beareagle...bwahhahaha".  Nobody should conjecture what exactly is happening because nobody really knows for certain..this will of course not stop anyone from doing so.  Maybe it's time to just wait and see.

443 Allah is still a two-faced goat-felcher though, that won't change.

444

Hint: "your opinion" and "fact" aren't the same thing.

What is it going to take before you accept the obvious implications of her resignation?  Does she have to go on live TV and perform ritual sacrifice on a kitten while chanting Allah Akbar before some of you acknowledge that a successful 2012 run is no longer feasible?

445

You're suggesting that Palin had to deal with more pressure and distraction as governor than she'd have to face as the President of the United States?

No, Hollowpoint, she would have the Party backing her instead of assailing her.  I think that's the point. 

Look, I agree with you that this seriously, possibly fatally, damages her chances of a serious run for POTUS -- unless something changes in the terrain of the RNC.  I don't agree with the assertion that some are making that her resigning under these circumstances (such as we know them) indicates a deep flaw in her as a politician or leader or public servant or whatever.  The GOP fucked her over. 

I'm not into identity politics, but the GOP claims to be concerned about my vote as a woman.  Well, fuck them.  Try shoving Jindal down my throat -- ok, that came out badly, but whatever! -- and see how far I shove him up your ass, Michael Steele. 

446 <blockquote>Well, no. There's a simpler explanation: SHe's written off elective politics.</blockquote> <blockquote>It's magical thinking that she could go out next year and raise tons of money and campaign for conservative candidates for the House and Senate? Don't talk crazy. She can do it and be completely unfettered by anything in Alaska.

I don't know if she will ever run for elected office again. Perhaps she has decided that she has another role to play, but I do not think for one minute that she is out of politics for good.</blockquote>

I think she's realized that President is not in her cards, but that she can still have a very beneficial effect on the Republican Party. However, the big obstacle to that was all the stuff she said in her speech, i.e. constant harassment from lawsuits. Well, if she resigns, can they still constantly harass her with lawsuits? Anyone trained in Alaska law know the answer to that? My guess is, no, they can't. So, she's taken away the biggest stick her enemies had to hit her with, even though it costs her the chance at President. Well, maybe she realized she doesn't want to be President, she'd rather be RNC chair or something like that. THAT is an explanation that has all the pieces fit.

447 done w/ ace. he's like the powerline boys pumping pawlenty, he's got a jones for someone he ain't disclosin' yet. i think it's tammy bruce. like she wants you.

448

Hollowpoint-  It was not the bullshit criticisms about her that caused so much pain for the family.  Jokes about raping her daughter, her son would be better off dead, daughter is a whore ect.  I or my husband would need a good defence attourney about now. 

Add to that the financial attack. 

then you have everybody who says they are friends critizing how you speak, what you wear, if they think you are smart enough cause you haven't memorized this book in order to correctly quote from it at a drop of a hat,  and on and on and on. 

She was getting hit from all sides and now she is free to fight back.  

She is one tough bitch, and I mean that in the most glowing of compliments.

449 Dead Career Sketch -  to quote our great former VP - Go Fuck Yourself.   I stood in line for 3 hours in a deep South, 100% going McCain state because I was so fired up about the ticket, largely her.  Also because I knew i had to vote against Barry no matter how guaranteed my electors were. 

450 She is one tough bitch

So tough she cut and ran.

451 Palin could go on a drunken bender and beat up a cop, and some people would still be saying "oh yeah this sets her up nicely for a run, it's all a plan, she's still super awesome!!!"

I like her and am disappointed, but everyone chill out a bit.

452 While I don't see Palin as a 2012 contender, I can see her as the person with the power to choose the GOP nominee. There's nobody left but a bunch of squish republicans, none of whom will be far enough ahead of the others to win decicively. The blessing of SP will help to put one of them over the top, as her supporters are very loyal and will be likely to take her advise, notwithstanding their current threats to leave the party/vote Libertarian/whatever.

453

Hollowpoint, why do you have a problem with everyone venting? It just happened for fuck's sake, everyone's pissed, what do you expect? Nobody wants a referee at this point, people will start thinking through things after a few days.

I understand people are venting- I was shocked and disappointed upon hearing of her resignation myself.  However it's also disheartening to see commenters fly off the handle screaming RINO TRAITOR STUPID ELITIST towards anyone trying to look at this remotely objectively or rationally.

Most of the "venting" seems to be in the form of friendly fire rather than where it's warranted- the left / MSM that's harrassed her constantly with bullshit ethics charges and personal attacks.

I'm disappointed that she resigned, but that doesn't mean I can't observe what the implications are- one of which is that any chance of a 2012 run are gone.

454 Snow Billy you cry when your mom doesn't rub your prolapsed anus, so maybe you should just go fuck yourself.

455 >>>What the hell is wrong with you? You can't grasp what's happening? Further, you pass on some rumor sourced from the nutroots? With friends like you, Palin needs no enemies.

I cannot take the Speak No Evil ethic you guys have. Can. Not. Take. It.

You seem to believe that ignorance is a defense.

It is not.

This is a rumor. It was alluded to by Juan Williams on FoxNews.

If I don't mention it, all I do is withhold from you information. Not a "fact" -- it's not a fact, it's a rumor. But I withhold information about the content f the rumor.

I do not traffic in many anti-conservative rumors. I think this one has buzz, owing to the circumstnace, so I mentioned it.

Apparently many want me to act as a censor, like the MSM, carefully screening out any information that might hurt the cause, coccooning, lying.

I have said this before, but I think most people actually want to know this info themselvves; they just want me to withhold it from those OTHER PEOPLE, you know, the ones too stupid to understand it's just a rumor and should be heavily discounted if counted at all.

Same with bad poll info during campaigns. The howls I heard about posting "negativity!" And yet I'm pretty sure most people wanted to know what the polls said (even if not wholly believing them). Again, they just wanted me to play censor for those OTHER PEOPLE, you know, the dumb ones, who would become dispirited by such polls and would decide "Hey, the polls show us down. I guess I shouldn't vote."

How about you all stop worrying so much about what dangerous information I feed to those OTHER PEOPLE, the ones who can't handle it like you, and just decide if the information is something you yourself would want to know, and can handle.

PS: When I speculated that something was hinky with Mark Sanford I also heard HOWWWWLLLs about how I shouldn't knock down conservatives, how I shouldn't engage in unhelpful specuation, how I was buying into an MSM lie, How I was a stooge of Soros, etc., etc., etc.

Apparently that was something too that should have been censored so that those OTHER PEOPLE would not become confused.

456

Hollowpoint: "You're suggesting that Palin had to deal with more pressure and distraction as governor than she'd have to face as the President of the United States?"

No, I'm suggesting a President has far greater protection from malicious media campaigns and legal shennanigans.

457 Hollowpoint, exactly why would a Conservative turn their back on Sarah Palin if she ran for POTUS?

458 I don't think this was some sort of political jujitsu move by Palin.  I think something deeply personal caused her to make this move -- either some fresh attack on her family or concerns that Todd voiced about what was happening to them as a family or both. 

She's an impressive person and I'm usually an optimist, so I think she still has a future in public life.  But, unless something huge changes at the RNC, I don't think she should involve herself in GOP politics for a while... not until they smarten up.

459

Hollowpoint-  It was not the bullshit criticisms about her that caused so much pain for the family.  Jokes about raping her daughter, her son would be better off dead, daughter is a whore ect.  I or my husband would need a good defence attourney about now. 

Add to that the financial attack. 

then you have everybody who says they are friends critizing how you speak, what you wear, if they think you are smart enough cause you haven't memorized this book in order to correctly quote from it at a drop of a hat,  and on and on and on. 

She was getting hit from all sides and now she is free to fight back.  

She is one tough bitch, and I mean that in the most glowing of compliments.

I hope she is now able to take the gloves off in response to the despicable attacks against her.  If she felt this was the right thing to do- for whatever the reason- then I wish her the best.  It would be foolish, however, to ignore the political implications of her resignation though.

A lot of conservatives had the expectation that she'd run in 2012 and were excited by that prospect.  That prospect is no longer on the table.  Best to move on and start deliberating on who might best fill the role.

460 Personally, I liked her.  She was the best thing to happen to conservative politics in a queen's age.  And that is why the Left - and that douchebag McCain - savaged and turned on her.  If she's resigning because she wants to protect her kids, I am fine with that.  I have four of my own.  And if that's the reason, I think Couric, Huffington, Maher and the rest of the left can go frak themselves.  America lost a very good public servant today, and this is why good people don't run for office anymore.

Of course, I also realize that she'll never be POTUS after this, unless she runs for Senate - and even then . . .   She can still be a viable VP pick, but with whom?  Who the frak are we gonna run in 2012???  Buehler?  Buehler??

461

Palin does present an interesting situation - she is an uncontrollable political variable now (if she stays in politics).  What will we do, take what the RNC and MSM gives us in 2012, or vote for another candidate like her or her if given the opportunity.  If Palin is off the table, is it because she embarrassed some who supported her, because I don't think her conservative values changed?  Or, are people who are now saying no to her because she quit willing to sacrifice their conservative values for a candidate like Romney or worse Powell? 

462
She's JOINING OBAMA'S CABINET!
http://tiny.cc/u9IJF

Is this bullshit?

brb

463 Ace, rumor or not, it would be irresponsible not to report it.  You're on strong ground here.  Especially since we can destroy the Left if/when it comes out that the rumor isn't true.

464 I think the problem many of us have with the those who were critical of her was the fact that we didn't see them stepping up to help. They left here out there on her own, it was horrifying to watch. We expect the dems to fight us, but it's infuriating when it's people that are ostensibly on our own side that are nipping at her.

Who gave Krauthammer the inside scoop on what she was doing to prepare? Why did he feel the need to run his suck in the middle of the vanity fair dust up?

I don't blame people like the kraut for this, but I'm not feeling very friendly towards the twats either. They certainly didn't help any.

465 A questions for those conservatives4Palin that are still around: If she endorsed Huck/Pawlenty/Mitt/Huntsman or some other squish, would you vote for them?

466

 Hollowpoint, exactly why would a Conservative turn their back on Sarah Palin if she ran for POTUS?

Because she has zero chance of winning now.  None.  Nada.  Zip. Zilch.  No matter what her reasons for resigning are, and no matter how legitimate they might be, she will be portrayed and viewed as someone who caved under pressure and quit.  There's no way around that.

Moot point though, because I very seriously doubt that she'd have taken this step if she was planning to run in 2012.

467 Carl - Terrific point.  Where was McCain, et al, when she was getting savaged by scumbags like Gibson and Couric?  Their heads were in the sand. 

468 take what the RNC and MSM gives us in 2012

Zombie Reagan 2012!

469 I love Ace and the AoSHQ. 

Good night, folks.  Tomorrow's bound to be better. 

470 Mark Steyn over at the Corner just posted a pretty good take. I love the last two sentences:

"National office will dwindle down to the unhealthily singleminded (Clinton, Obama), the timeserving emirs of Incumbistan (Biden, McCain) and dynastic heirs (Bush). Our loss."

Sorry I can't bold or italics. I'm on my mac and I lost my little buttons.

471 @462, if that is true, fuck it - RNC goodbye, USA goodbye -  Sarah Palin goes down as the SCRUNT of the millenia.

472
It's total bullshit.

What an asshole.

473 Let's say she enters the primaries, who will beat her?

Mitt?

Rudy?

Mex?

Jindal?

She will clobber them. Why? Because she has charisma and smarts and looks. Remember what MexCaine rallies were like? She came on first, the crowd went nuts, then Mex took the stage and the crowd deflated like a balloon doused in liquid nitrogen.

Stick to the fundamentals of politics. She has "it" Buckets of "it".

No one else in the party can make that claim.

She now has two years to build her case, to go on the road, make speeches, contacts, money, and build the organization she needs to win.

The GOP will back her when they see the crowds, when the money and cheers bury their doubts and bigotry.

474 Trish - Exactly.  it's why good people don't/won't run anymore.  Not worth the attacks.

475 Sorry I can't bold or italics. I'm on my mac and I lost my little buttons.

Trish, Before I leave, I gotta' share that you get all the buttons on a Mac if you run Firefox.  I just discovered this and it's changed my life. 

476 She's JOINING OBAMA'S CABINET!
http://tiny.cc/u9IJF

"Is this bullshit?"

I have to think it's bullshit, since it's supposedly by a Washington Times reporter but the actual WashTimes site isn't carrying it.

If it isn't bullshit, it's a billion times weirder than the resignation, and it really IS the end of her political career, forever.

477 >>

It's clear that some of you had very high hopes pinned on Palin.  So high, that she's portrayed as Obi Wan Palin, Our Only Hope.  She was a compelling figure and I liked her, but what's done is done.  Time to move on.

No matter what bullshit criticisms came from McCain's campaign people, elitist cockholsters like Chris Buckley, David Frum, the MSM, etc- the fact remains that she resigned, and the obvious result is that any hopes of a 2012 run are over.  Or at least it should be obvious amongst anyone with a functioning sense of reality.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 03, 2009 11:12 PM (VVDUu) <<

No shit, Sherlock. And what about my post said that I had high hopes set on Palin? Nothing. I said it is fucking stupid for small audience conservatives to attack the one conservative in the country with the biggest platform. Fucking idiocy defined.

478 What about the little buttons?

479 One thing I do think SP has is self-awareness.  She has to know what this resigning would normally mean for her political opportunities down the road AND how disappointed her peeps would be.  So, that leads me to believe that her reasons are probably deeply held and pretty well thought out.   She may not be brilliant, text book brilliant.  But she seems to know people and have good gut instincts so I don't see her running away without a legit reason.  Unless she doesn't see herself running away. 

480 So, Conservatives will turn their backs on her because she has no chance to win?

How does that compute?

Conservatives will rally to her and that will help produce her chance to win.

481 The Hammer - I really wish she'd run for Senate - if only to be the ice pick in Obama's nutless sack.

482 Maybe she is done and just wants to finish raising her kids?  I mean lets think about it.  Not only does she have to beat the Dems, she also has to beat half our party, and the entire MSM. Where is she going to get 1 Trillion dollars?

483 Most of the "venting" seems to be in the form of friendly fire rather than where it's warranted- the left / MSM that's harrassed her constantly with bullshit ethics charges and personal attacks.

Because the left is doing what an enemy is supposed to do. Our venting against them is just laughed at.

The friendly fire is to those who've given aid and comfort to the enemy for their own ends. Capt Ed for instance is Pawlenty's butt buddy and may be angling for a big spot with him. Allah is selling us out for a chance to sniff Meghan's butt. The bigger dogs know who the power players are in DC and want to keep their club as their exclusive domain, fuck what we out here think.

Since this isn't a physical war and there are no bullets, we do what we can to court-martial the SOB's and line them up for the firing squads

484 A questions for those conservatives4Palin that are still around: If she endorsed Huck/Pawlenty/Mitt/Huntsman or some other squish, would you vote for them?


Nope, don't think I can bring myself to do so..


couldn't bring myself to vote for Maverick until he brought Sarah onboard..

485 Maybe the GOP truly is dead, a wondering zombie?

Washington D.C. is ancient Rome. It is the magnet of worms and greedy scum.

486

So, Conservatives will turn their backs on her because she has no chance to win?

How does that compute?

Conservatives will rally to her and that will help produce her chance to win.

Conservatives (as opposed to all Republicans) make up, what- maybe 25% of the voting population at best?  No matter how much conservatives rallied around her, it wouldn't be enough to win her the election.

Unfair that it might be, a female is already going to have an uphill climb; one that's percieved (again fairly or not) as being prone to folding under pressure?  Forget it.

487 Hollowpoint,
So what you're saying is if she ran against McCain in 2012, you would either vote McCain or re-elect Obama rather than vote for her. Because she "quit" and the reasons are irrelevant - and you'd prefer someone allowing their kids to be savaged by the media, allow their family to be bankrupt, and disregarding "duty" because it means nothing next to "politics". Okay, Gotcha, you must love the fuck out of psychopathic politicians - this current one must be a fucking dream for you.

Only people calling her "quitter" and declaring her political life "dead" are people who think that what she has gone through was acceptable and normal - and who think that "duty" and "ethics" are just meaningless words.

488 carl,

Nonsense with regard to Krauthammer. He supported Palin 90% through the campaign. He wrote, may I remind you, that extremely good defense of Palin with respect to her blanking on the Bush Doctrine with Chariie Gibson, noting that there were four things called "the Bush Doctrine," etc.

He has occasionally said she needs to sharpen up -- well, she does. But to say that that gentle criticism constitutes leaving her hanging out to dry is rubbish.

Krauthammer's "serious candidate' comment was notable because it was the FIRST TIME he'd ever said something so negative about Palin.

I feel like I've been on her side pretty strongly since her nomination. Before, really, when she just seemed a hot, attractive (in a non sexual way) governor and conservative spokesman.

But I think Krauthammer hit the wall I did: He was tired of making excuses for her and thought he shouldn't have to make so many excuses for a president of the united states. Either she stands on her own or she doesn't. There should not be a great deal of propping up going on.

Same goes for Goldberg. Very strong supporter of Palin's.

But I think Goldberg and Krauthammer were, like me, thinking she wasn't up to speed on national issues during the campaign, but would get there on the job as Vice President. And would be up to speed, fully, in four months or so.

Well, that was the timeline I personally had in my head. So at this point, I'm sort of expecting her to be up to speed. If she's not, my initial defenses of her were wrong, as they were predicated on this idea of four months to get fully prepped. It's now been like six or seven months since the election.

I don't want to have to make excuses or special allowances for a president. I will if I have to, but I would strongly prefer not to. I'd like to have a president I don't need to make any excuses for, ideally.

At some point Palin either has to demonstrate she can satisfy persuadables (not supporters yet, but persaudable). Either she does that or she does not. Either she moves to correct the ONE THING that turned off 15% of the population, dropping her from 60% approval to 44%, or she does not.

That one thing was the notion -- not entirely undeserved -- that she wasn't quite ready for all this.

So either she fishes or chops bait.

I know you guys like her. I can only tell you what I think, what I feel. And for me: I love her as a person. But I have been mostly disappointed by her since I was first blown away by her. I was blown away by her RNC speech, then disappointed a bunch, then very happy with her Biden debate, then disappointed here and there. I have been waiting for her to become that Magic Candidate again, the one who blew me away at the RNC, the one I had no doubts could be CINC.

She has not allayed those doubts.

You might not have those doubts. Fine. I do. So do a lot of people who love the woman Palin but are a little skittish about the would-be president palin. We're not all "RINOs." We just want what everyone wants from a president -- the reassurance and confidence that she's in charge and on top of things.

At some point, she either has to meet that need or face the fact that she can't win an election with only 43% support.

489 I think the rodeo is about to begin.

490 481...that would be even more limiting than G of AK.  I would see that as a mistake.

Shadow President or bust, imo.  Not saying that's her reason or that it will work, but that's outside of the box, a new approach, attention grabbing, and would put O on the defensive at every turn.  He'd have to "debate" her because she'd be in the headlines all the time.

491

She's the governor of Alaska and has to deal with the attacks directed at the office of the governor of Alaska.  She has handled that with grace, strength and integrity beyond what any other governor in the country has had to deal with.  But she's not just dealing with that.  She's not running for Vice President.  She's not running for President.  Yet she is being forced to deal with non-stop, partisan, journalist ethics-abandoning attacks from the leftist-controlled media in the United States of America today in addition to the politics usually involved with being governor.  Not to mention morally bankrupt assholes like Letterman who verbally assault her young children while hypocritical dipshits like Treacher and Crowder berate us to accept his phony apologies.

This is sabotaging her efforts to be 100% committed to serving the state of Alaska.  This is not her fault.  The fault is with a news media which has abandoned their role and duty as journalists to instead become hitmen for the anti-American socialist known as Barack Hussein Obama.  Sarah is, therefore, abandoning her personal power in favor of the interests of the people of Alaska.  This makes her the good guy.  Get it?

If she were to become VP she would be more than able to handle her critics.  President?  She would chew her critics alive.  But the double- and triple-jeopardy she has been put into as governor/potential VP/potential President by a United States which has never, ever been sicker or less moral or less just than it is than today makes her resignation complety sensible.

Reap what you sow, my "fellow" Americans.

492

>>Well, that was the timeline I personally had in my head. So at this point, I'm sort of expecting her to be up to speed. If she's not, my initial defenses of her were wrong, as they were predicated on this idea of four months to get fully prepped. It's now been like six or seven months since the election. <<

Are there only two choices: (1) defend her; (2) chop her off at the knees? How about, like I said, support her where you agree and think she is doing a good job, and put forth your own policy positions where you disagree or think that she is lacking? It's not rocket science.

493

The fact that people in our own party treated her (Palin) like shit, I think demonstrates what they (RNC leadership) really think of conservatives. It scares me to think that so much of what I believed in about the Republican party is a smoke screen, and when Reagan died the party died.  Now conservative or liberal has no meaning in DC, its all about getting your dick sucked,  living on the tax payer’s dime and ensuring that we are nothing more than batteries to run their game. 

494

>>That one thing was the notion -- not entirely undeserved -- that she wasn't quite ready for all this. <<

Does she have to be a Presidential candidate right now? Do you have to vet her like she is one? There won't be an election until 2012! IT IS ONLY 2009!!!

495

410  A President is expected to function no matter how much shit is tossed his way- not fold because of personal finances, attacks on family, or any number of distracting ethics charges.

Yeah, but they don't.  Lewinsky scandal was a huge distraction to Clinton, and I would hardly argue that he functioned well as President during that time.  Yet he weathered it and left with pretty good poll numbers. 

I don't think it is fair to judge her by presidential standards when she doesn't have presidential power with which to fight back.  As president she would be the head of the party, would have no trouble raising money for legal bills, and would command the bully pulpit, none of which she has a governor of Alaska.

496

So what you're saying is if she ran against McCain in 2012, you would either vote McCain or re-elect Obama rather than vote for her.

I'd be too busy concentrating on not pulling the trigger of the gun in my mouth if McCain ran again.

It doesn't matter how I'd vote, it matters how the other 100 million people would.  After today, too few would vote for Palin for her to have much of a chance.

In any case, she's almost certainly not running in 2012 or she wouldn't have resigned.

497 @ 491 Crusty- bravo, sir or madam. I can now go to bed happy.Well done.

And Happy Independence Day, Morons.

Enjoy the hell out of it- could be your last.

498

>>At some point, she either has to meet that need or face the fact that she can't win an election with only 43% support. <<

If turnout is 60%, she could win 2-1 with 43% support.

499

I don't think it is fair to judge her by presidential standards when she doesn't have presidential power with which to fight back.  As president she would be the head of the party, would have no trouble raising money for legal bills, and would command the bully pulpit, none of which she has a governor of Alaska.

Doesn't matter if it's fair or not.  It's a charge for which there is no good response.

500 ace: "Well, that was the timeline I personally had in my head. So at this point, I'm sort of expecting her to be up to speed. If she's not, my initial defenses of her were wrong, as they were predicated on this idea of four months to get fully prepped. It's now been like six or seven months since the election."

Perhaps she felt it unethical to spend time and energy on becoming a presidential candidate whilst she had a job as Governor of Alaska.

501 Watch. Palin will go on the attack against the One. The MSM will train all their weapons on her. "quitter" "bizarre" "money grubber" "chased by scandal" "out of the mainstream" "crazy wannabe"

But, the people will respond very differently. That is why they fear her. That is why they attack her still.

They are not afraid of Mitt or Mex or Bobby or anyone else.

502

o.u., then why the hell did she quit? 

 

Just a reminder, Bush quit and said "I"m running".

She didn't do that.

503 Taking the Shadow President thing a little further.  The gamble is that the media would do O's debating for him...always presenting her takes in the most negative, simplistic way, keeping the "not too smart" meme alive.

OTOH, she could pick and choose her topics, who she grants access to, and create a situation where she becomes the defacto voice of the R's and makes O have to deal with legit voiced criticism 24-7.

504 I think she's just gone Galt. If conservative pundits are representative, conservatives certainly don't deserve her.

505 I think she's just gone Galt.
Posted by: gm at July 04, 2009 12:02 AM (hRAj+)

Thank you!

I've been waiting all day for someone to say that. I can't believe it's taken this long.

506 I am saddened.

507 >>> Are there only two choices: (1) defend her; (2) chop her off at the knees?

No, there is a third choice, one chosen by Goldberg and Krauthammer and myself, and others:

(3) Support her but begin agitating for her to correct the ONE THING, the one easily corrected thing, that turned off a quarter of her initial 60% level of support.

You just don't want any criticism at all, even decidedly constructive criticism like this, because you have this crazy insane human-foot-eating notion that the MSM actually needs Allah and me and Jonah Goldberg to give them "permission" to attack Sarah Palin.

And so it's only when we "turn" on her that the MSM says, "Okay, guys, you heard Allah-- he gave us the go-codes. Let's take this bitch out."

As.

If.

Ignorance is not a defense. I can write this six bazillion times.

Pretending and praying that an elephant in the room is NOT in the room does not in fact absent the elephant from the room.

It's in the room. It is an elephant. It must be dealt with.

We cannot do the nutroots thing of clenching our eyes tight and cocooning and attempting to disappear the elephant from the room through sheer willpower and good thoughts.

It does not work.

Let me refresh everyone's memory as to other things conservatives were not permitted to say:

-- The polls were against McCain and Palin. We had to pretend they were all skewed. Guess what? They weren't. And no amount of wishing changed that.

-- Bobby Jindal's response after the SOTU was great. We had to pretend, at least initially, he was AWESOME. Guess what? He wasn't. We gave up on that rather quickly, but even if we had continued that Speak No Evil pose, it wouldn't have changed the fact that he did poorly.

-- Mark Sanford's odd disappearance is not odd at all and probably he's just writing a book or something wholesome like that, and if you so much as suggest otherwise, you are a dupe of the MSM and a pawn of George Soros. Guess what? It was always a high likelihood that he disappeared for an unwholesome reason, as is the case when most people disappear for their marriages for a week. Pretending and wishing didn't change that.

I am so sick of this enforced Speak No Evil/Let's All Pray Really Hard ethic that prevails among partisans on both the right and left. It doesn't work. It doesn't help. All it does is stifle useful debate and conversation and postpone confrontation of the truth.

508 I understand what you're saying ace, but I still don't see where everyone figures that she wasn't preparing. I don't see where this would be a good time to stand up and announce her candidacy and showcase her new skills. We have over three years to go, I can't see that that's a winning strategy.

I want to reiterate that I don't blame any of the people we're discussing for her moving on, she made that decision on her own. The point stands though, she was being savaged in the media and Krauthammer thought it would be a great time to announce that she wasn't a serious candidate. I think the one "oh shit" rule applies here.

I check in here at least once a day and know something of you from your writing and that your comments were meant to help, I just don't give a shit enough about the other two to give them the same courtesy.

509 I think she quit not because of liberals' attacks, but because she was betrayed by her own side, who even now aren't protecting her, and she's chosen to fight another way.

510 A questions for those conservatives4Palin that are still around: If she endorsed Huck/Pawlenty/Mitt/Huntsman or some other squish, would you vote for them?

Fuckabee? The guy who held onto the primaries long enough to insure that we got McCain? The dour faced guy with no charisma who believes in big goverment both with the bankbook and the bedroom?

Pasty Pawlenty? Oh yeh, he'll have our backs. Just ask Norm Coleman. Diddled himself while Franken stole the election

Mitt? Instant RINO, already know he'd throw you under the bus for a nice picture with Katie Couric. He's also too cosy with the McCain Dirty Rat Pack

Huntsman? Who? Is he another receding hairline white guy who looks like he's the head of some state's dept of motor vehicles?

Face it, we're fucked

511

[I]t's going to hard to run for a higher, far more important executive post when you resigned your last one a little more than halfway through your first term.

Well, she got halfway at least..

Nov. 2006 Hillary wins Senate reelection;

Jan. 2007 announces she is running for President, files with FEC.

Poor gal doesn't realize she now precluded from a "higher, far more executive post." 

512 I still don't get this idea, put forth by some, that she's going to give up on running herself but devote herself to fundraising and rallying.

Fundraising!?!  For the party that mostly stood by while she was savaged day-in and day-out?  Why would she?

And who is she going to rally?  She rallied me...for her.  Who is she supposed to rally me for now?  Romney!?!

Ooh.  I get chills just thinking about it.  Douche chills.

513 There are other potential GOP candidates who are Governors, why haven't they been attacked as Palin has been?

They are not threats to the One. If Palin had been left alone, as normal post-election habit would have it, then Palin would have no reason to resign now and could truly be called a quitter today. But, her case is unique. She hasn't been treated normally. That is why her response is not normal. That is why she is compelled to leave office. Normally, this would not be done. After you lose a national race you return to a local office, lick your wounds, do your job, and wait for the cycle to return.

That was made impossible for her. She saw that. Her enemies wanted her to stay in office, to be worn down to nothing by the time the cycle began again. She jumped.
Now they are fashioning a response. She has the board now.

If her GOP mates had stopped these attacks early on, this move would not have happened. The GOP power elite does not like her any more than the Democrats. Face it. The GOP is not on our side. Even when Reagan was President, the GOP was waiting to abandon Conservatism to feed off the teat of FDR's bitch.

514 ^{"A questions for those conservatives4Palin that are still around: If she endorsed Huck/Pawlenty/Mitt/Huntsman or some other squish, would you vote for them?"}

I don't think so.  If I wanted any of those douches I would have supported them before.

I'm not saying I won't vote for Romney if that's what it comes down to in '12 (and let's face it, it probably will.  It'll be his "turn", after all), but seeing Palin reduced to that is just never going to sit well with me.

515 Your point about not wanting to hear bad news is well taken. Human nature unfortunately, something we all have to fight against. Hard-nosed realism is important, I think many of us were aware of what was happening, but operated under the premise that talking about it would make it worse. A run on the banks kind of situation.

The Sanford thing baffled me, I couldn't believe that it could be as retarded as it was. I gave him more credit than he deserved.

I have never gotten the whole Jindal thing. Best of luck to him. I thought the speech sucked.

We should try to never be in a situation where we're fooling ourselves, hence my comments on letting people get this out of their systems and see where we are in a few days.

516 431 Anon Drivel:

You have summed up my exact thoughts.  If I had the ability to pen them so eloquently, I would have not changed a word.   Thank you.  You've saved me the effort.

You DC bastards.  It is on.
 Stay out of Idaho.

517 I just caught her speech and I think she's doing the right thing. Deciding not to play this neverending game that's going nowhere and doing nothing but cost taxpayers money, cost her family money and give them stress.  It's a game to other politicians, to the media and to the pundits, but it's not a game to her.  She talks about elected officials being servants and having a servant's heart, but she can't serve, she can't get anything done so why should she remain governor?   She's not going to sit there and waste time and money to further her career in politics. She doesn't just talk the talk - what's good for you, doesn't apply to me because I'm a politician.  She walks the walk - taxpayers money isn't supposed to be wasted on this kind of crap.

518 The Left is much smarter than we are.  They know she is the One.

Today was a big day for many, many reasons.

519 "This is Sarah Galt speaking".

520 I'm not the one postulating counterintuitive theories about how quitting office actually gives people GREATER confidence in one's ability to perform in an even higher and more pressure-filled office.

You assume, Ace, that people would give her credit for staying in office.

Sarah is smarter than that. She knows Teh One got elected with a resume thin as tissue paper. What she hasn't been able to do is what he did -- ditch his job and campaign for two years.

Now she can.

521 Palin has resigned early before, from the Oil and Gas Committee in AK. This was supposedly a nail in her own coffin with the Alaska GOP.

She has taken on the establishment before and one, and after quitting.

The Leftist and the GOP insiders both knew that the constant legal harassment would strain her family, she doesn't have the deep pockets of a well connected politician we typically know. Comparing this to what Bush took is absurd, as Bush could have paid off $500,000 in legal bills out of the change between the sofas.

522 This has been in the works for a while, it seems.  She hung in there until the pipeline deal was signed.  Her enemies put her in a box.  She just stepped out of the box.  Wait about a month.  It's just getting started.

523

488 But I think Goldberg and Krauthammer were, like me, thinking she wasn't up to speed on national issues during the campaign, but would get there on the job as Vice President [emphasis mine]. And would be up to speed, fully, in four months or so.

 Well, that was the timeline I personally had in my head. So at this point, I'm sort of expecting her to be up to speed.

Ace - I agree with this and had the same expectations.  But - they didn't win. So why this expectation that she needs to be up to speed by now, when she is Gov of Alaska Palin, not Presidential candidate Palin?  She may have decided she wasn't going to run until 2016.  Or wanted to run for Senate first. Isn't it only necessary that she be "up to speed" by the time she declares her candidacy? 

(Sorry if this has been asked and answered already; I'm having a helluva time posting tonight!)

524 ^{"Wait about a month.  It's just getting started."}

If that's the case, I really hope some of our guys develop enough brains to get out of the way.  What I would anticipate, however, is endless sniping, FROM OUR SIDE, about the fact that she quit, rather than the fact that she's back.

The face almost palms itself just thinking about it.

525 I am looking forward to a rousing Huck rally to win in 2010.

526 Palin isn't going anywhere.  She will run for President, but probably not in 2012.  She will bulk-up on policy. 

She has an outside chance to be Romney's VP pick IF she gets serious, and does the aforementioned bulk-up.  Romney will need someone more conservative to get the Right and Center-Right out to the polls. 

While Palin would horrify even mythical moderate, non-lefty Democrats (as well as unicorns), you can't lose someone's vote, or (New York's Electoral votes) more than once; they weren't going to vote for a Republican in the first place.

In other words, with Palin, in the face of BHO, right, and center-right voters will turn out in DROVES, and OBAMA LOSES.

527 Fluffy, stop trying to introduce logic here.  Go print some Romney flyers, already.

528 Fluffy McNutter@523

There just wasn't enough time to wait, apparently.  I don't get it either.

529 Kensington:  Remember the part of her speech about supporting candidates regardless of party?  Shot across the bow.

530 I disagree that the attacks and hostility shown towards Palin's children come with the territory of especially national political office. The press, no matter how much it disagrees with a politician generally stays away from the kids. They stayed away from Bush and Clinton's children for the most part. But Palin was different. I think the Letterman thing with her 14-year old daughter had  alot to do with her decision. The Palin's are simple people and maybe once even laughed at Letterman. When a national celebrity went after her daughter, I think the Plain family was horrified. And Sarah had had enough. Not all of us can hits like that, especially aginst our children.

531 Mitt can't leap the Mormon hurdle.

It's sad and it's wrong, but it is still so.

The GOP will not want to put up a fight against the One. They are planning to sit this one out and go for 2016.

These folks don't think about the Nation or the People; they focus on power and taking turns.

Go Sarah!

532 Palin did this so she can run in 2012 - not 2016.

Better get used to it.  If you are lining up against her, God help you picking another candidate to win the GOP nomination - it ain't gonna happen.

Palin will run against Obama in 2012.  Who would you like to win that battle?

533 I'm afraid I don't find that very reassuring, texette@529.  What Democrat would be worth supporting?

And I guess I'm still not buying into third party viability.

534 Here's a suggestion, Ace:  Shut the fuck up and thank the god of your choice that she's on our side, and that she'll be working her ass off for us in 2012,despite all the filth thrown at her (unfortunately by our side most of the time).

535 She hasn't even said she'll run in 2012 or even run for an elective office. Whatever this does to Sarah Palin as a presidential candidate isn't so much the issue now, it's that the GOP insiders gave a giant middle finger to a significant part of the base. That won't be forgotten or forgiven no matter how much they try to polish the turd they present to us for 2012.


kdba

That's about right. I think that she's out of politics for a good long while and her last revenge -- rather that just conceding that the hate junkies on the left won -- she's just left everyone guessing and frothing at the mouth with even more of their crazy, vicious spew.

Anyone see Huffpo links on Memeorandum? The chicks at Huffpo, like c word Rachel Sklar, are coming unglued at the seams "Sarah Palin, you owe the media an apology!!!!"

Seriously. Get Rachel a fucking straight jacket the chick is going nuts. Rach is cool with Andrew Sullivan sniff up Sarah birth canal every 10 minutes, but just pissed Sarah was chosen to be a VP running mate and accepted.

536 The MSM is already trying out the new meme: Palin is a freak and people will flock to see her like they gather around a car wreck.

You can smell the fear.

537

Whatever her reasons, I sure hope they don't involve a sickness (I'm thinking cancer, breast or cervical). The gloating and ghoulish celebration would really make me sick.

Although I think Sarah would grate that tumor up to season her wolf steaks and moose burgers.....but thats a different story.

538 So she quits. QUITS. Takes her bat and her ball and goes home and who does the think-tank blame?

Anyone who has ever had reservations about her and the GOP.

Somehow this is the GOP's fault?

Look, I liked her but if you can't get past Katie Kouric how can you be expected to deal with Putin?

This circular firing squad is going to get Obama re-elected. For that I hate every last idiot who is already working on their excuse for FUCKING UP THE NEXT ONE.

"Mitt is a RINO"... No, FUCK YOU. OBAMA IS A FUCKING COMMUNIST AND A HAM FUCKING SANDWTCH IS PREFERABLE TO BARACK FUCKING OBAMA.

What kind of slap upside the head do you need? Crybabies who are complaining that their lifevests are scratchy as the Titanic sinks.

539 Imam, never fear. Palin will be the nominee in 2012.

540 If the ship is sinking then Mitt is one of the primary reasons why it is sinking.  I'd rather see Guiliani with all his warts before Mitt.  No wait, I'd rather see Jeb Bush before Mitt.

541 Kensington:  I can see her supporting individual independents or libertarians if the GOP doesn't get out of the way.  And, I'm beginning to think a third party would work this time.  Never thought I'd say that.

542 I disagree with the Mormon hurdle, especially after BHO kind of ran right into the hurdle, let it fall to the ground, ran over it, and few cared. 

It may still be a negative, but a smaller one; certainly not enough of one to not get the R nomination; and thereafter, the synergy I've been talking about can turn it into an advantage at least with Sarah Palin; an ink blot that makes enough voters to win happy, to wit:

Palin Christian + Romney LDS calms the issue and/or makes the ticket look sort of ecumenical unthreatening (especially with Obama's "religion" in the background)

Palin Charisma + Romney  Wonkishness = a more wonkish Palin+a more charismatic Romney

Palin Conservative + Romney more center-right.  Romney, rightly or wrongly is viewed as not being solidly conservative enough; Palin is perceived as being too conservative (I don't buy it, but that's the perception.

VOILA.

543 OT sorta:
"Obama not fully informed on Russia: Putin spokesman"

How did we elect such a person?  Years of campaigning.

544 It's going to be Palin/Guiliani and Mitt and Mike and all the rest are going to crumble by the wayside.  You need a team with balls.

545 "It's going to be Palin/Guiliani and Mitt and Mike and all the rest are going to crumble by the wayside."

God, I hope so.

546 RE:540 If the ship is sinking then Mitt is one of the primary reasons why it is sinking.  I'd rather see Guiliani with all his warts before Mitt.  No wait, I'd rather see Jeb Bush before Mitt.


Fine, Giuliani, Mitt, Bubbles the chimp.... Ham sandwich. Even Huckabee and his 85 IQ points would be preferable to the disaster we have now. The point is we are already working on the excuses for shooting ourselves in the foot and this country can't stand another 4 years of what we have now.


It starts with the self appointed guardians of conservatism calling anyone who actually plans on running against a communist a "RINO".

547 I love the way Giuliani bitchsmacks Obama, but you think he'd make another go after his major miscalculation last time around? And won't his social views push Palin's social con heavy base away? I don't see Rudy as a VP.

548 CNN Breaking News:  North Korea fired another missle?

549

Ace et all those who argue that Sarah abandoned her post.

Just who is it she is supposed to have let down?

Her supporters certainly don't want her to sit there and play the punching bag?  They would far rather she got free enough to defend and attack more effectively.  Her detractors certainly didn't "think" they wanted her to remain in office.  Though in time they will come to wish she had stayed.

Sarah hasn't abandoned anyone or anything.  The sooner that you realize that, the clearer you'll understand her motives.

550 muffy, Palin is on the way to Hawaii to man the missile defense systems.  hehe

551

I watched that episode. I knew it was going to be a bust. Hosted by liberal weenie Wallace. A panel with a newspaper reporter, a Dem idiot from NPR, and a neocon who’s only conservative credentials are support for Israel.  

 

Juan Williams portion of the talk was straight out of the Dem talking point paper issue a few hours after the announcement.

 

Sarah scares the living shit out of the Democraps and the squishies. They are scared because she isn’t a D.C. insider and she draws the crowds.  People for years have been turned off by politics and lying politicians. The “everybody does it mantra” for bribes and favors from lobbyists has become the word in D.C.

 

But small town people are driving hundreds of miles and standing in long lines for hours just to see her. Yes, that scares the hell out of the beltway crowd because they can not draw a crowd like that.

 

I hope she comes out and blasts the shit out of the McCain people as well as the Commiecrats.

552 MAybe Palin and Guiliani will team up and form a new party.  The republicans and the deomcrats to me seem like the same party, with a few minor adjustments.  Look how easily the republicans can jump into the democratic camp.  Maybe Palin and Guiliani realize that the republican party is seriously dead and in order to have a functioning government we need to develop another party.

553 Add Mark Salter to the name of rat motherfuckers who should be driven out and ruined

Kristol vs Schmidt, Round 2

The war of words between conservative columnist Bill Kristol and Steve Schmidt, former campaign manager for John McCain's 2008 presidential bid, has ensnared another senior adviser, Mark Salter, who has come to Schmidt's defense

554 98 The Left demonized, attacked, harassed, and abused her every fucking day. It cost her half a million fucking dollars to just tread water. Not one of the fuckstick dipshits mentioned as possible candidates by anyone here other than her have dealt with even a goddamned fraction of the shit she's had to eat and grin through in just the last fucking month, not to mention every goddamned thing since before the rigged election.

I just thought this was nice and bore repeating.

555 It starts with the self appointed guardians of conservatism calling anyone who actually plans on running against a communist a "RINO".

No, we call someone who is a socialist running against a communist a RINO

556 Vic, remember the press conference that Chris Dodd had recently and only his family and a few staff came?   Peter Schiff is going to clean Dodd's clock in 2010.

557 Fortunately, kbdabear, I doubt I'll ever meet Schmidt or Salter in person. Because if I do I break their goddamn fucking noses and take the assault charge.

558 Rudy should run for NY Governor.  We need him.  WE NEED HIM.

559 I'm disappointed by the posters who are gloating about this, rubbing their hands together with glee as they proclaim her political life ended. It's disturbing to see such venom - but I've noticed it primarily comes (on the conservative side) from people hailing from Eastern slums/cities, Ivy league re-education center fetishists, and those submerged in Leftism who are too pussy to stop grovelling in front of their marxist neighbors and their local news apparatchiks.

The news didn't upset me at all - the reaction to the news was infuriating. All I can see are pussies scrambling for crumbs of approval from the nearest socialist, filthy-mouthed shitheels crowing in delight as a light of conservatism is brutalized yet again, and the lockstep bigotry of the national socialist media exulting over the 'defeat' of another Christian.

I know there's a lot of the latter two groups reading and not posting, giving yourselves chubbies as you drool in happiness - the rest of this is directed at you .
You and yours are not going to be happy for long. Every single twist and sick fucking trick you guys pulled is going to be pulled on you - not just on the national and state levels, no, not just on politicians - but on you. You personally. Every fucking one of you is a target now for frivolous lawsuits. Every fucking one of you is going to have to defend your family from rumors, innuendo, and outright lies. When you run out of gas, we'll be driving by and laughing. You'll get a pink slip just because we can make you fucking miserable. We'll be dumpster diving for your shit from time to time, so better not leave anything incriminating or there'll be hilariously embarassing flyers around the neighborhood.
Your illegitimate president (not just a bastard, but non-legitimate) is going to be a one-term wonder. Your congressional criminals are going to be fucking prosecuted. Your non-profits are going to be investigated continuously, your "protest" leaders are finally going to be imprisoned for their crimes, and your chokehold on the schools and media is going to be eliminated - because we'll end up having all your union teachers arrested for rape and child molestation on trumped up and false charges.

Because tit for fucking tat, you commie scum.

Your leftist professor allies are going to discover how quickly the concept of "tenure" crumbles before a federal labor law outlawing it as discriminatory. The only trace of your forced segregation called "multi-culturalism" is going to be how we're going to enforce equal political representation in every goddamned university in the nation - so more than 50% of those corpsefucking Stalinist professors are going to have to leave academe and learn how to bag groceries.

And as a legacy of your "hate crimes" legislation, I leave it to you to imagine what we'll fucking do with the ability to imprison people for writing or saying bad things about Christians and Jews. And remember, fuckos, the enabling legislation was already passed - so chances are you've already committed a federal crime. All we have to do is research it for anyone we get irritated at.

Sow ->  Reap. Learn that concept sometime. Choke on it.

560 I'll believe Palin's toast when the Left starts ignoring her.

561 Drinking is fun.

562 This is all conjecture. This is all speculation.

Why was she attacked financially and personally by the entire leftist political / media establishment (and a good part of the right)?

One conclusion we could draw is that it is because she is feared as the primary threat to Obama's reelection, and she is, in general, a threat to the entrenched elite political class of both sides.

If you believe this is the case, and we assume that you are an honest agent here and believe in general what Palin believes and wants to achive (blunt the damage Obama is doing to the country by gaining back political power), then who are you helping by postulating that she has no possiblity of becoming President?

Why would you not fight back with the weapon they fear the most?

Why would you let them choose your weapon AGAIN?

563 My drink finished, all I can add at this point because this is a family blog is, "Inspector Asshole, when the shit hits the fan, I want you in my foxhole."

564

there may be an entirely different reason than 2012 or her family.  and that may be 2010.  the campaigns and selection of house and senate canidates starts very soon.  If palin plans to fight the GOP elite and the Dems  she will need foot soldiers inside government.  what better way toget them in there then to campaign for, rasie money for and champion her own picks in 2009.  she would never be able to do that in AK.   this by doing this she becomes a kingmaker who if her soldiers win in 2010 will have a ready made party machine at her disposale for 2012.  she can bypass the elites in the GOP, she can attack the dems at will, she can become the anti-obama.  

 

If in the next months if becomes appearent that she did not quit to run and hide but to take the fight to the next level  the attack of quitter will ring hollow.   Only time will tell but I just wanted to state that there can be many other reasons why she did what she did. 

 

People are looking at this from a frontal assault and i think Palin is going to come in from the flank.

 

I wonder how much Sarahpac raised today? and in the last 6 months.  and her defense fund?  Could it be enough to not only keep her in comfort but to fund and recurit and army of congressman and senator canidates?

 

Follow the money is usally a good way to get tot he bottom of something.  I think the funds are there for Palin to become a kingmaker in 2010

565 Where do you go to find out how much money a pac raised? Do they have to report those figures?

566 In communication theory there is a term called "frame of reference" which esssentially states that to under stand a concept you must be able to have the ability to put it within a frame that you can understand and relate to.  If I tell you that this is the greatest masion I have ever seen and you have never seen a mansion before you don't have a frame of reference to judge whether what I am telling you is in fact correct.  People nowadays have no frame of reference for Palin.  They can't put her in a little box.  They have labeled her as stupid yet she defies the labels by drawing huge crowds.  To them she is an anomoly and she is the most dangerous animal in the forest right now cause her behavior cannot be predicted or controled even with lawsuits and attacks and discrediting by her own party.  This is why she is so much fun to watch.  They are looking searching for the achilles heel and they can't find it and that is what has me watching for the next development. 

567

Trish at July 04

 

Yes in fact i think the sarahpac numbers are do to be reported within the week

 

568 Would be fascinating if she was able to not only pay for her legal fes but for the money the state lost as well.   That would put all of DC into depends.

569

I love the morons who keep saying Palin is finished because she resigned.  Hmmm, I don't recall anyone faulting Guilianni for refusing to run for Senate or governor when he could have.    Apparently we have infants who don't remember Nixon's two defeats, when all and sundry declared him finished yet he became president.  Finally the GOP is finished when its Rockefeller wing acts as if Conservatives must be purged.

 

When the Left ignores her you know she isn't a threat.  Any bets?

570

muffy

agreed she is either a genius or a simpleton.  the elites think the latter.  I think the former  but only time will tell.  the time is ripe to attack the old guard in washington.  esp the GOP.   I think the dinner had alot to do with her decsion.  she tried to wrok with the GOP they blew her off and snubbed her.  she understood then and there she would not be welcome under their tent.  so I think she figures to change the tent into hers. 

 

 

571 unseen, I think even if she never runs for office she will be either a force to be reckoned with or a thorn in their side henceforth and forever more.  I think that is quite an accomplishment.

572

Thomas Jackson

 

and let's not forget NEWT resigning the speakership.  the third most powerful position in the country yet he is still around and some fell stronger then ever

573 Today I thought to myself, in a way she is taking a page right out of Rahm Emmanuel's book.  He says never let a crisis go to waste and Palin says never let this kind of national notoriety go to waste.

574

#559 Amen to that.  A reminder to libs from "A Man For All Seasons":  "And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?"

These are life and death issues. The state of Oregon Health care has already sent letters to deny cancer patients care while at the same time reminding them that they'll cover palliative end-of-life care... aka suicide.  Seriously ill?  Kill yourself.  How long until that's mandatory under Obama care?  A bloodier version of the DMV.

So I haven't got a lot of civility left towards the left.  The "progressives" certainly have not an ounce of compassion towards the youngest (newborns) or most innocent (the disabled)... their hatred towards political enemies is without any boundaries whatsoever.  They are whitewashed tombs full of dead mens bones.  One day their enemies will return the favors tenfold.  History has cycles, the wheel must inevitably turn...

 

575

muffy

 

agreed.  conservative4palin has a post saying today was her crossing the rubicon.  and I have to agree.  today she laid the chips on the table.  Ace, Allah and NRO don't like her.  Ed doesn't like her.  Sure they say they do but then hedge and bring up negative post.  esp allah.  so they will see the negatives in her actions not the positives.   and make no mistakes there are positives in this action and to her atleast the positives outweight the negatives.

 

Now sure it could be a coming scandal, it could be for the children it could be for her marriage.  But only time will let us know for sure.  I just find it funny that ACe, ALLAH and ED all jumped to the negative reasons first.  It is almost like they are projecting their hopes and prayers.  In fact they are.  they are blinded by their dislike esp Allah. 

 

and if it is true she is leaving politics Mitt can and will rot in the hell of being a loser in 2012

 

576 unseen, I only read here so I don't really know who allah and ed are except that people reference them and Charles an awful lot (mostly complaining about all of them)  I do read Michelle Malkin sometimes but she can go way over the top.  I defended Sandford and it turned out that ace was right, well partially right, cause he did have the affair and the almost crossing the lines.  But, it is possible that he realized that life is short, too short to live someone else's dream and maybe the someone else whose dream it was couldn't or wouldn't understand.  I think Palin is straightforward.  I think if a scandal is brewing she is the type to just come right out in front of the cameras and tell you about it herself.   But you are right "time will tell of stars that fell a million years ago"

577 I'm not convinced she is now or ever will be prepared to be the leader of the free world.

Posted by: sauropod at July 03, 2009 09:37 PM (r45p0)

Well, we don't have one NOW.

578 Sarkosy has been stepping up to the plate pretty good lately.

579 wouldn't it be hoot.  If Palin campaigns for rubio against christ in FL?  and Tommey in Pa?  What better place to pivk a fight with the elite GOP then the primaries.

580

I liked her, I really did even though she definitely needed a lot more polish and education.  However, as a career mom too, I totally would understnad that she backed out becasuse of family.  However, you don't use those excuses she did.  Hell, Clinton and W were "lame ducks " the day after the election their second term.  I think something personal happened or it was a truly OMG!! moment when she knew, despite her talents, she wanted to be with her family.   I understand that as I am a professional in a high end career.  You think you want it and you can do it, but unless you have the psychopathology needed (think Pelosi), you will lose all that is dear to you while pursuing it.  And if  something comes up along the way with your famliy, you will defintely rethink.  If only that goofball in SC was so circumspect when his c*ck found it's soulmate.

Did any of you think maybe it's Trig?  Maybe now (when the limitations ofTri 21 kids start to sink in)  she realizes that as a mom, this is for sure not what she wants or needs.  Maybe that old bag of mierda Letterman insinuating rape of Willow just made this whole politics sack of shit just that?!??~~??~

I think so and if so, we are doomed because anyone with a bit of guts to change our world in a positive way has just resigned.Unless you dont' give a rats ass about your children or spouse. 
"Oh hi Prez Pelosi..................."

581 pay for her legal fes but for the money the state lost as well. That would put all of DC into depends.

LOL

This made think of what her brother said about her repaying travel expenses of her children after a compassionate, pro-working woman progressive filed an ethics complaint that the state picked up the tab of Piper's coach seat on a inter-state Gov visit and all I could think was all the pissing and moaning the "progressives" made when it was pointed out that Obama's one-date night cost taxpayers during a recession a bagillion dollars -- "who cares" they whined.

582 unseen I think she will help out the ones who are really trying to make a difference.  Heck, if she goes, they will come, in droves.  If I were the dems that's what I would be worried about and that hasn't hit them yet.  They are so buys breathing a sign of relief thinking they have knocked her out of the box and they are free of her as regards the presidency, they haven't thought about a private citizen Sarah Palin traveling the country and campaigning with all the republican challengers.  When that hits them it will be interesting to watch how they react.

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584 There seems to be a serious divide between what we want and the realities of the world we live in. The MSM is liberal, it is going to spin this in the most negative way that it can against Palin but at the same time in the minds of your average voter Palin is probably damaged goods thanks to the previous work of the MSM. Obama is their golden boy and she dared to steal his thunder, the media will continue to fall upon her like sharks for doing that. At the same time I do not blame anyone for looking upon this with a skeptical eye, no one knows her motivations for stepping down. I worry that some people are trying form their own Palin cult of personality to counter Cult of the One. We should all be more skeptical of our leaders, even the ones we like.

585

404 nailed it in one.

YOU'VE GOT TO BE FINANCIALLY STABLE BEFORE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE!!!!

The frivolous lawsuits were bankrupting her and Todd. She effectively had no other choice.

The left knows all about this. They use lawfare against conservatives all the time. Why do you think we fought so hard to pass the the bill to protect firearms manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits? They would have put Ruger and Colt and S&W out of business with just ONE successful suit, and even the cost of defense was going  to break them.

Palin faced the same fate and there was no one to defend her from them. Now she can hopefully earn some money on the lecture circuit and study up on those topics Ace always slams her for not knowing.

The left has won a victory here. Let's hope it comes back to bite them hard.

 

586 I have to say the whole 'coming scandal" has a real Jason Leopold and Rove indicted in 48 business hours feel to it. If it were truly a scandal and one leaking, more than Bard Blog, Daily Kos and TMMemo would have gotten a leak. And I'm sorry, a scandal doesn't stay bottled up for 3 weeks, she would resign immediately.

587 Also, the scandal meme has a whole Larry Johnson Whitey Tape coming any minute too.

588 Drew I agree with you.  I'm defending Palin, again, cause I prefer to take her at her word.  She seems to be a "says what she means, and means what she says type".  The cult of personality stuff is a little frightening, look at what is going on around the death of MJ.  it isn't good in entertainment or politics. 

589 I only hope there is no "resign and we won't bring this forward" thing in the backround.  that would be discouraging for a lot of people.

590 OK, I keep piggybacking o everyone, bt I think the cult of personality is a result of the unprecedented attacks this woman took for ever direction and hardly anyone stepping up to help her and so people who support her feel a need to jump in and protect her form everything.

In essence, I think if less of the GOP jealous knuckle-heads left her alone and more of the GOP chin strokers stepped in and defended her on the gazillion specious accusations etc. then people would be less invested in protecting her on a personal level.

I'm sorry, but nearly nothing Frum or Kathleen Parker said in critiquing her was of any substance it was all trashing ad hom and more in positions to do so needed to shut them down. Criticize her on substance you coward Frum.

591 It does us no good to speculate on her personal motives, the media is going to assume the negative anyway. Lets try not to aid them with our own paranoia.

592 Love Drew's and Topsecretk9's comments.  She is not going anywhere. 

593 349

To be honest, I don't blame her one bit.  The rabid left continued to go after her well after the election, she continued to get these ethics complaints (which reminds me, why can't the complainants get stuck with the costs when the complaints are dismissed which they all have been so far) driving her deeply into debt, attacked by the media and attacked by her own party (McCains advisors) and damned with faint praise by McCain (this guy and his media-darling daughter really need to consider retiring or being asked to retire).

She showed more honesty, charisma and genuine decency then any of the candidates on either side and what she got for this were brutal attempts to destroy her and her family.

It's what the political class has planned for each and every one of us.

594 Where did Megan McCain come from anyway?  She is so busy pandering to the left that she doesn't even know how to find the middle anymore.  Perhaps her rubenesque figure and the dye finally getting into the roots has caused her to overplay her hand.   She always reminds me of that girl, that one girl, who so desperately wanted to be one of the popular kids and never was so as an adult she can relive that experience and make herself popular in her own mind.

595 I do worry that this will embolden the far left and the media (but I repeat myself) to really lay into any fresh conservative candidates on the horizon. I also want to point out that we can defend all we want but our voices will not be heard. If anything the MSM's response to Palin has been the strongest argument for abandoning the old media and I think a lot of the nonpolitical class in America would agree.  

596 I always kind of think of Megan McCain as part of the Collin Powell wing of the republican party.

597 Ah anchorman, never looked at the news reader the same after that  Drew, the problem may be that the republican party has too many wings, too many cooks and they are all spoiling the broth. 

598 Watch the entire conference.  I'm starting to get a feeling that there is a very subtle message being sent to some very specific people we all owe a whole lot to.

She makes mention her decision was "fortified" by these people:

My decision was also fortified during this most recent trip to Kosovo and Landstuhl...

I'm not in the military, so do not want to presume to speak for those serving, but could it be, that during those visits, troops she met made a plea, a cry for help?  To take on the current fraud CiC who is trampling the very document they swear an oath to uphold and fight for?  Could she be keeping a promise they convinced her to make, that she will not let this country go to hell without a fight... and soon?

Just speculation, but there is some very deliberate communication going on here.  She waited to talk about these experiences last in explaining her reasoning. 

As well, when she addresses the polling of her family on the decision she says:

...and someday I'll talk about the details of that...

This implies that she'll be in the limelight and we'll be interested at that time about those details.

Now, I'm not speculating this means she's going to take the current administration by running as an opposition candidate.  Just that she's going to take it to him and the current cronies is Washington in some high profile forum.  What?  Again, I won't speculate.

A buddy of mine went to see "Charlie Wilson's War" with a long time friend who is an extremely high ranking military official.  When they were talking about it afterward, he asked this official, "Does a congressman really have that much power?"  The official's response - "He has more power than the President."

599 I think its more of a case of the Washingtonian republicans peeing in the broth and then serving it out to everyone else while they ignoring the spitting and shouts of, "this soup tastes like piss." 

600 Mr. and Mrs. Palin and their children will be very happy in Galt's Gulch.  I think I'm gonna see if I can find a nice atoll in Pago Pago.

601 555 It starts with the self appointed guardians of conservatism calling anyone who actually plans on running against a communist a "RINO".

No, we call someone who is a socialist running against a communist a RINO

Posted by: kbdabear

Call yourself a shithead and thank yourself for Obama.

602 Wasn't around much and when I was tonight was multi tasking.  Went hoping around to see what is going on outside the AOFHQ world and found this, sorry if it posted already, i'll post it again.  It is worth the read.  Hope it isn't the scandal they are looking for or is that yet to be created?

603 I don't see how she would have TIME to get up to speed.  The lawsuits alone took up half her time.  Not to mention the time taken up just digesting all the godawful attacks.

604 Sarah has been made fun of in the media, but some people here are treating this like she was in war or something. No insult she has recieved is sufficient to provoke a resignation. just watch her in the video, she's fricking babbling. something is wrong, maybe her health or a family members health. regardless, this does not appear to be a good thing. At this point at least, it looks like shes wussing out. the left attacks her, but obama gets mocked all the time. he isn't resigning! we need a TOUGHER leader than this. this is BS. why are folks defending the indefensible here. there is no good reason for her to resign.

605 Babbling, Masher? 

Whatevs. 

606 ISn't Max Blumenthal the spawn of that evil excuse of a human Sidney, the architect of Monica Lewinsky is a crazed stalker?

607 The first time I heard George W Bush referred to as a lame duck by the media was three days before his re-election.

608 How come the media hasn't covered this one.  Helen Thomas, you gotta love her, she speaks her mind alright and wow, Chip Reid too.   Fascinating discussion with Gibbs and it was emailed by a friend to their list serve, its going around the underground way.

609 No, I'm suggesting a President has far greater protection from malicious media campaigns and legal shennanigans.

That's all well and good for the President then, isn't it?

610 Found the press release at ATL  here it is

611 Tiffany Jewellery much anticipated addition to the Tiffany uk jewellery collection are the bright and beautiful Tiffany.

612 #72 "To me, it sounds like she's going to take her case directly to the people and start a grassroots conservative moment. I think she figures if she comes out as the nominee in '12, fine. If not, she did her part to pave the way for a good fight against Obama in 2012."
 
I'm hoping her plan is to become the face for the grassroots conservative movement that is forming with the Tea Parties and so forth.

Perhaps she'll fundraise for Congressional candidates who represent that movement (like Marco Rubio.) Perhaps she'll go out there and get in Obama's face like she couldn't till now.

But you are right -- it doesn't matter if she is Jesus or John The Baptist, Joshua or Moses. She can fight the good fight.

613

Holy Crap,

Did no one else but me bother to listen to her speech?  She's resigning to work "outside" the governership to bring CONSERVATIVE chage to ALL Americans.  D'uh!  So she doesn't want to play the age old game of running for the next higher office while being paid to perform the duties of her current office.  We need more politicians like her.  I honestly don't get the notion that her resigning is a death knell for her political career.  Do we really want politicians who are willing to accept taxpayer money as a salary for a job they can't devote 100% of their professional attention to?  Seems to me we've already got enough of those.

614

All you people who keep saying we don’t know why she is resigning or who speculate endlessly about need to watch the entire speech or at least read the transcript. I believe Ace’s girlfriend at Atlas Shrugged (Pam Gueller) has both the video and the transcript.

 

Either watch or read and remember this is not the typical lying and spinning DC politician. IOW, take her at her word. She states over and over why she was resigning.

615 ace @488--
Bullshirt.  He ripped her last fall as well, about the same time he was singing the One's praises.  Google his columns in the Post from the Sept-Oct 08 time frame.

the Hammer disliked Sarah for the same reason that Steve Schmidt did.  She's taking what they regard as their entitlement--ie, our money, our votes.

616 552  The republicans and the deomcrats to me seem like the same party, with a few minor adjustments.  Look how easily the republicans can jump into the democratic camp.  Maybe Palin and Guiliani realize that the republican party is seriously dead and in order to have a functioning government we need to develop another party.

That's where I am.  This country needs a true opposition party, an alternative to socialism, or it is all over but the shootin'.  The GOP of the last 20 years has abandoned that role, to throw in with the socialists.  Conservatives don't need a third party, our system heavily discourages third parties.  They need a new second party.  In some localities this means that conservatives will have to take over the GOP; in other places, the GOP is hopeless and it will have to be killed off, destroyed electorally, before a new second can emerge.  Fortunately, this process  is already well advanced in some regions, where the GOP is in an advanced stage of rot.

617 "559 I'm disappointed by the posters who are gloating about this, rubbing their hands together with glee as they proclaim her political life ended. It's disturbing to see such venom - but I've noticed it primarily comes (on the conservative side) from people hailing from Eastern slums/cities, Ivy league re-education center fetishists, and those submerged in Leftism who are too pussy to stop grovelling in front of their marxist neighbors and their local news apparatchiks.

You and yours are not going to be happy for long. Every single twist and sick fucking trick you guys pulled is going to be pulled on you - not just on the national and state levels, no, not just on politicians - but on you. You personally. "

That's the spirit!  Declare your independence on Independence Day.  Starve the Beast.  Screw the Whigs.

618 Ace, there probably is a Federal investigation and indictments coming..... I understand that the same crack DOJ team that handled the Senator Stevens prosecution is already on it. After all, they are already in Alaska, and know who not to talk to this time around, so they can avoid uncovering any exculpatory evidence.

619 Thomas Jackson - you cant compare what Rudy did with what Sarah did.  Rudy chose not to run for Senate BECAUSE HE HAD CANCER! Whether or not he had a medical reason, there is a vast difference between choosing not to run for further office and resigning from an office you have been elected to.  A politician has no obligation to continue running for offices because people want him to. Sarah campaigned hard for an elected position, earned the public's confidence and won the election, and quit halfway through.  I think that speaks volumes about character, or lack there of. 

As for bringing up Newt, his resignation did essentially end his political career. He hasnt done anything in electoral politics since he left the House.  Maybe Sarah wants to go the route he did as a speaker and conservative voice. Thats fine with me. But after quitting an office mid term I think Sarah has lost all credibility to hold future office.

620 Via Gateway Pundit:

On FOX News Her brother just said that she was spending 80% of her time defending herself from the state-run press and bogus ethics complaints. She had been doing this for months and wanted to spend more time helping her state but there was no way she could effectively govern when she had to constantly defend herself.

** The governor has won 15 different bogus ethics complaints.
** The state of Alaska has spent $2 million defending the governor.
** It cost those liberals nothing to file the bogus complaints.
** Fighting the complaints has left her $500,000 in debt.

621 So by resigning, she saves the taxpayer of Alaska the cost of continuing to defend against frivolous ethics complaints AND clears the way for her Administration to effectively resume the job they were hired to do without the waste of time (more taxpayer $$) spent dealing with the Left's witch-hunt.  And this somehow speaks ill of her character how?! 

622

Sarah campaigned hard for an elected position, earned the public's confidence and won the election, and quit halfway through.  I think that speaks volumes about character, or lack there of. 

You take yourself way too seriously.

623

Hey Ace,

Back in November of last year you seemed to favor a Palin run for the Alaska Senate seat:

"This surprised me -- I thought personal reasons (Bristol's marriage to an Alaskan, Todd's entire career being Alaska-based) would keep her from running.

Maybe she thinks she's has something to prove. And wants payback. That would be a nice attitude."

Now wouldn't that have required her to step down as Governor? How would that have been different than now? It is still "quitting".

Respectfully, I think you are missing the point. You are looking at this thru the prism of politics as usual. Sarah Palin is not USUAL. She doesn't ascribe to conventional wisdom and personally I find all of this refreshing.  I cannot wait to see what she does next!

624 Inspector Asshole in post # 366 said it better than I could.  Just to add.

I don't believe that Sarah Palin is above reproach or that she should never be criticized (constructive or otherwise).  It is that I believe in the concepts of fundamental fairness and decency.  The perception, and timing, of comments made by Ace, Krauthammer, and Jonah Goldberg felt like piling on.  At a time when Sarah Palin is getting relentlessly and unfairly hammered by the powers that be on the left the last people we conservative's expect to run in and throw cheap shots are those mentioned above.  Don't get me wrong, Charles Krauthammer is one of my favorite commentators and I find myself agreeing with him 95% of the time.  But today I want to kick his f*cking wheelchair. 

And I obviously like Ace or I wouldn't be here.  And Jonah Goldberg.  But would it have killed you guys to defend a woman under assault instead of being swept away by the manufactured narrative (all MSM nee leftist narratives are manufactured) and going with the flow?  As they say, timing is everything.  And it may not have been what these guys said but just exactly when they said it. 

625

Ace, looks like it's time to go after Dowd again.

 

626

#620

 

Rudy had prostrate cancer which isn't a death sentence, anymore than skin cancer means you're about to shuffle off this mortal coil.  Rudy declined to take on the Hildabeast and refused to run for governor.  So who wrote him off as a politician?

 

The same fortune tellers and snakeoil salesmen told me Nixon was finished after he lost the governor's election in 1962, that Reagan was finished after he lost the GOP primary in 1972 and again in 1978.

And we have the same Elmer Gantrys who repeat Juan Williams smear about a "scandal"  which was reported by the AP two years ago and debunked.   But then again Juan Williams is Barney Frank's bagman and he also pimps out Michelle, spread it around.  If the Morans, Frums, Powells, Buckleys, Noonans, Allahs would report on half the scandals plaguing the Obamanazis rather than passing around second rate DU rumors we would all be better served.

627 >>>Ace, Allah and NRO don't like her

Fuck you. I like her fine. I just don't like fantasy.

You love fantasy; I prefer reality. Stop claiming my unwilingness to indulge in fantasy nonsense is somehow a character flaw.

This is the pattern with you guys. Magical thinking. "If we believe it hard enough, and bully other people into refraining from expressing poisonous doubt, we can make our dreams a reality!"

No, you can't.

628 I am sick of the fucking imputation of bad motives based upon purely rational, factual disagreement.

RINO! DEFEATIST! SUCKING UP TO THE MSM! NEVER LIKED PALIN!

Well, fuck you, buddy.

I am sick of having these disagreements in opinion turned into nasty spats by the Magical Thinkers who believe that living stubbornly in reality is a character flaw.

I do not insult you guys for holding a different opinion -- well, until now. I've fucking had it. I only DISAGREE with you; I do not insult you.

But get on the wrong side of the Magical Thinkers, the Dreamworld Goonsquad, and you get insulted and called a traitor.

STOP IT IMMEDIATELY. I am sick of it. You can disagree without tossing insults at people and imputing to them secret agendas.

This is liberal nutroots shit. Well, that's not true. This is nutroots shit, both liberal and conservative. The extremes and the fantasists of both sides behave the same way.

I am completely capable of respecting your right to live in a fantasy world. I will however insist that you respect my right to live in reality.

629 >>>And I obviously like Ace or I wouldn't be here. And Jonah Goldberg. But would it have killed you guys to defend a woman under assault instead of being swept away by the manufactured narrative (all MSM nee leftist narratives are manufactured) and going with the flow?

Um, I made excuses and defended palin at every turn, dude. Three or four times I've commented "but she really does need to sharpen up on her big weakness, her command of national issues and policy."

This is apparently insufficient.

Whatev's.

Now Charles Krauthammer, I guess, is supposedly to blame for her resignation, because he 'piled" on by noting something that has been bugging a lot of us.

If that is even close to true, then she's not fit for office. Seriously. If she bailed because Charles Krauthammer (and then Goldberg, and then bloggers) gently said "Seriously, bone up on policy, we're tired of making excuses for you on that score," then I think Krauthamer has done the nation a favor.

But I don't think that's true. I think she's been considering this for months.

But I guess scapegoats must be found.

630 >>>Ace, looks like it's time to go after Dowd again.

Nah. Apparently I'm virtually Maureen Dowd myself. Why attack my ally?

631

>> Now wouldn't that have required her to step down as Governor? How would that have been different than now? It is still "quitting".

It would be different specifically in that she would have then said "I'm quitting to run for the Senate."

It's been done hundreds of times, it's called explaining why you are leaving your responsibilities, to the people who elected you.  Who out of goodwill say "well, sure, I understand why you're leaving office.  Of course.  Godspeed."  In some cases (like GWB) you know you're gonna run for higher office even while you are asking the voters to put you back in the governor's office.  Timing doesn't allow you to announce your true intentions.

But only in lala-land do you resign your term as governor and then weeks or months later say it's because I'm running for the Senate. 

632 Straw man much Obama, I mean Ace.  When did I say Krauthammer (or Goldberg, or you) caused her to resign?  I commented, and I think fairly, that some conservative commentators fell into the 'Palin is stupid' trap at a time when the woman (and her family) is getting an unGodly trashing by the left. 

But I defended her many times...you say.  True, but you didn't defend her this time Instead you decided to way in on her lack of "command of national issues and policy".  That is impressive that you know all she knows about national issues and policy.  Did you have a lengthy interview with her on those subjects?  Are you a mind reader?  Or did you fall in to the trap of taking a MSM-lefty narrative i.e. 'Sarah Palin is dumb-she has no graspof national issues and policy' and run with it (again, at a point in time when she & family are getting full-court-pressed by the lefttards)?

You were very dismissive in post 19 about Doctor Zero's essay at 'Hot Air' and I let it pass.  But this latest pissyness proves to me that you know not of what you speak.  Although I no longer live in metro DC, I did grow up an work there and the elitism and entitled attitudes described by Doctor Zero is spot on.  He captured the essence political-beaurocratic Washington in a way I have rarely seen.  I can say this as a person who has been in Katherine Graham's Georgetown house just before a party (relax, as a tradesman), Sen. Rockefeller's manse in the park (it is literally in the park-JS Sargent portrait of JD hanging in the front room), and many others too numerous to mention.  If you ever want to meet a Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" clone, try bumping into the WV Senator's wife. That shit is not just for the history books, people like that do inhabit modern earth.
And as far as the last elections creepy cult-of-personality building, the One, and 'savior' fetishism, I thought Doc Zero's theory about the MSM led search for a philosopher-king to solve the nations problems jived pretty well with my memories of 2008.  But, according to you, it is all so much shite to be hastily dismissed as "abject nonsense".  Well snap, you got me.  What to do, believe my damn lying eyes or you?

633 "I do not insult you guys for holding a different opinion -- well, until now. I've fucking had it. I only DISAGREE with you; I do not insult you."

"God forbid if someone might just have a difference of opinion with no hidden, mercenary agenda."

Come on dude... you are a political blogger.  This is not really the right hobby for people who are thin-skinned.  Maybe you should resign because of the apparent stress and frustrations you get from simple criticisms.

634 Fuck you. I like her fine. I just don't like fantasy.

You love fantasy; I prefer reality. Stop claiming my unwilingness to indulge in fantasy nonsense is somehow a character flaw.

You're really laying into this as if you have some goal in mind. Your goal can't be to bring everyone around to your way of thinking, that's Andi Sullivan stuff. One reason we defend her beyond your line of reasoning is Andi's use of your words to throw back in our faces. That really sucks to see that, I hope you understand that doesn't help us at all either.

If anyone is indulging in fantasy, it's those who think the Road Kill Boys who make up the depleted bench will be anything but punching bags in 2012.

If we are indulging in fantasy, so what? Is it going to hurt the nonexistent chances of the Road Kill Boys to somehow take the White House in 2012? I'm starting to think the fantasy is among GOP faithful who think the party actually knows what it's doing or even has its supporters and voters interest in mind.

Charles Krauthammer is bright, but he's still viewing the world from the perspective of the dinner party set in DC

635 Nah. Apparently I'm virtually Maureen Dowd myself. Why attack my ally? Posted by: ace at July 04, 2009 05:52 PM

Snark is beneath you ace, you know better than that. I'd at least like to see you try to see the line of thought about this other than writing it off as cultist. There is a shitload of resentment towards not just the left but those on the right who surrender and then throw the rest of us under the bus.

I don't think you're a CJ who thinks that because you own the blog that we're going to take your every word as gospel and must not dispute you, but you're really touchy on this one. Did you think we'd all say "Krauthammer says so, so it is"? You must have known you were beating a wasps nest with this, answering with smart assed snark when countered is Allahpundit's forte, try to be better than him. We truly like you, AP is barely tolerated.

Nerves are raw because we're being robbed blind for the benefit of a circle of elite who see themselves as royalty, and we're the serfs to provide for them in return for meager handouts. You can strategize all you want but emotions are running so high that I wouldn't put all your chips on conventional wisdom.

If you want to finally calm your anger at us, try this advice. Don't walk into a mental hospital and start talking politics and expect rational reasoned debate.

Enjoy your weekend, life is too short.

636 Geez, calm down gm....

637 637th!

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639 RE:629

Well, fuck you, buddy.

I am sick of having these disagreements in opinion turned into nasty spats by the Magical Thinkers who believe that living stubbornly in reality is a character flaw.

I have no doubt that you caught on long before I did, but before the last election I thought that "seeing what you want to see" was an inherently liberal leftist predicament. Then I spent about 6 months trying to convince people that no, it's not a good idea to stay at home and elect Obama because "going through carter to get to Reagan" isn't a viable plan and teaching the country a lesson by electing a full on malignant narcissist socialist is downright seditious. (Even if the only other viable alternative isn't all that great.)

Now I recognize, fully, that there are shitheads across the political spectrum and cults of personality aren't exclusive to starry eyed adolessant trotskyites fredsh out of overpriced glorified daycare center college.

640

Snark is beneath you ace

HAH!  I'm not getting into this any further than I have, but I do have to comment about kdb's comment above:  HAHAHA!  That guy's got the best snark of anyone.  Heheh.

Maybe you're just being ironical.

641 I understand the FBI has confirmed there is NO investigation of Palin.  I get a feeling this is a precursor to how attacks from the left on....well, anybody....is going to be done:  Put out any kind of claim.  The attacks on her family, however, are pretty bad, and I think will eventually backlash on the attackers..  These attacks are gonna get so shrill and ridiculous that people will just ignore them.
The GOP needs to get off it's ass and start giving some rebuttal.  I fear that the GOP is going to become a non factor if they don't get it together in the next year or so.

642 The GOP needs to get off it's ass and start giving some rebuttal.  I fear that the GOP is going to become a non factor if they don't get it together in the next year or so.

The GOP doesn't want to rebut. They want Sarah gone and forgotten more than the Dems do. They're hoping they can please the masses with sound bites fabricated from focus groups and polls. The elite on both sides have a dreadful fear of the barbarians at the gates, and Sarah embodies the Barbarian Queen. (bunk time)

If you want to see just how the elites are serving themselves and their benefactors with ever more money from us and returning crumbs, read the crapntrade analysis on NRO. Nanny Nancy has also stated that the upcoming ObamaCare bill will be voted on without being read and debated.

"Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable" - John F Kennedy

643

Snark is beneath you ace

HAH!  I'm not getting into this any further than I have, but I do have to comment about kdb's comment above:  HAHAHA!  That guy's got the best snark of anyone.  Heheh.

Maybe you're just being ironical.

ace is as wise-ass as anybody, but I rarely see nasty sarcasm from him. There's something to his fury other than people who won't follow Krauthammer's advice to forget her and move on.

644 BTW, where do I apply for one of these Soros stooge gigs?  I'm thinking that's got to be a pretty phat cushy gig.  Its not that I don't have any principles, its just that I'm willing to be bought for the right price.

645 I am completely capable of respecting your right to live in a fantasy world. I will however insist that you respect my right to live in reality.

Posted by: ace at July 04, 2009 05:45 PM (gEsIJ)

 

 

LOL...Ace what is to say your view of the wrold is reality?  You?  your fellow bloggers?   how many times have you been wrong.  How many times are your posts wrong.  As a reader I can think of several.   You my friend are the one living in a fantasy world if you think any one of the present GOP elites will save this countrty.   We do not like Palin because she is Palin.  We like Palin and will defend her against nitwit posts like yours  because she is the ONLY mainstream force that talks about, lives and governs with the ideals of the consitution and the declaration of independence in mind.  You want to call that fantasy to think that citizens of the USa.  Avg people from youngstown, OH, Trenton Nj, Erie, Pa, washilla AK can rise up and be a force for freedom and liberty?   Knowing human history and American history it is fantasy to think that our problems will be "solved"  by elites.  By power hungry knownothings that care only about their interests.  

So yeah I will live in my fantasy world of a citizen government or people governed not ruled by fellow citizens.  I refuse to except that america has moved into the land of King and Queens and that only the well connected believes in big government can ever win election. 

 

Palin's charm and support comes from what she believes in, what she does; not how she talks, what type of forgien policy she has, who she knows.  she has the only qualification needed for the job IMO and that is a concret understanding of the founding doucments.  the rest is meaningless if that understand is not there.  See Obama for an example  or bush.  It is not a cult unless you think believing in the ideas of the founding fathers is a cult. 

 

So if not Palin who?  If not now when?   there is no small government fiscal conservative, limited government type on the national scene besides Palin.  there is no actors on the stage that have lived their life following those principles.  there is only elites that say one thing and then screw the citizens 6 ways to sundown once in office.   If you want to believe in Mitt/huck/sanford  you are the one living in a fucking fantasy world.  they are no different that bush, or Obama except in degrees.  You can live in your fucking fantasy deluded world as elite policitician after elite politician takes my country into the rat hole of class rule.  Some slowly like Bush some quickly like Obama but all with the same result.  I choose to see the world as it is and the future results of continued support of elite politicians.  Your fucking delusional world lets you support idiots in government that can not even understand what soicalism is when it is happening under their very nose. 

 

so when we the people that believe in the consitution and the concept of citizen government with consitutional limted power get a champion we will not lay down and allow you delusion pundits that live in your "hard nose reality" to pile on said champion. 

 

Get used to it.  and stop your whinning.  God you sound like a little girl in the above posts. 

 

 

 

 

646 BTW, where do I apply for one of these Soros stooge gigs?  I'm thinking that's got to be a pretty phat cushy gig.  Its not that I don't have any principles, its just that I'm willing to be bought for the right price.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 05, 2009 05:03 PM (4YLl

 

Ask allah he should know

647 As a reader I can think of several.

Wow, several out of hundreds.  Since you're so omniscient, you must pretty much own the whole world by now, eh?

Hook a brother up and toss me one small bone will you.  Nothing big...just tomorrow's winning lottery number.

648

BLUF: A new way.

Both parties can FOD as far as I am concerned.

My desktop sports the cartoon showing both parties going over the side of the ship with the tea crates. Tossed by the voters.

She can FEEL the disenchantment.

I await her strategic plan.

Lead, follow or get the h*ll out of the way.

H1,

Out.

 

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